Baines rejects Man Utd move?

Hot off the press. Baines has rejected Man Utd's bid to play for them. Unlike previous non-loyal Evertonians, he loves the club too much to leave. COYB

This is Twatter again, init...

Oh well all is right with the World after all David Price said so.

"FootballAgent49: Baines has told Everton that he has no interest in joining Man Utd and wants to stay."

Does that mean we'll have no money to buy Pienaar?

Ray #072, depending on what the repayment plan is for this year will determine whether this is the proverbial spanner or not. It is possible the Board were planning on a "big name" sale, to both appease the bank(s) and bring in a couple of lower cost signings. If it is true that a fee was agreed, and Baines has turned it down, time will tell.

The recent Pranjic quote a la not wanting to risk waiting till end August got me thinking at the time maybe he'd been told if anything happens, it will be late, and he couldn't take the risk of being without a club. The first tranche of EPL payment is made August 1 - and has been borrowed against for the past 2 years. Prior to that it used to be this money that was used for late signings, when there was no significant outgoing transfer.

Well that is great news. As it stands the transfer fee for Baines seems to drop so much each week that if he'd not decided to stay with us there was a real chance he might have left us for free by neaxt month!! I joke of course, but there there are some people who make a tidy living printing shite in national papers who believe he's worth only 8 mill now. Fergie should defo wait a while, he'd pick up a bargain!

John #074 it does make you wonder if the papers have some sort of agenda. With all the mess surrounding Leveson, I would not be surprised if certain journos were on the payroll to disrupt targetted players.

The Mirror started off the transfer talk way back with £5m mentioned. Given Baines has time left on his contract, and is the 2nd choice left-back for England, just how could they sacrifice journalistic integrity so easily by coming up with a figure of £5m? Oh, because Everton are strapped for cash. Um, then selling off your most valuable assets under-value will help how? But with this Board I suppose anything is possible.

I hardly think the world of sports journalism is too concerned with the Leveson enquiry!

If it's true then it is fantastic news and a credit to the lad.

Matt@073.

I've just read an article in the Sunday Times stating that Utd have never paid a fee for any outfield player over the age of 26 apart from Berbatov. And Ferguson is singing the praises of Tyler Blackett, an 18-year-old left back. Maybe the "race to sign Baines" is all paper talk anyway.

Ferguson also states that Utd are not like City and are developing a young team, with the likes of Smalling, Wellbeck etc, and could actually field a young team if required. It made me think that Utd may not be looking to spend much money apart from the offer for Van Persie.

The whole Pienaar thing is quite depressing if you consider it. We sell Pienaar for a reported £3m. He can't get a game at Spurs. So we pay a loan fee to have him back for 4 or 5 months, then reportedly want to buy him back for £5m. I'm no businessman but that lot doesn't make much sense to me.

And don't get me started on the Yobo fiasco!

Ray, the Pienaar thing is simple. He wouldn't agree to a new contract and so tottenham got him reduced price because he only had 6 months left on his contract. Now he has a longer contract with Spurs so we are having to pay a little more. I think rumours that it is 2.5m rising up to 5m probably sound about right.

As for Yobo it sounds like the Turks tried to screw us over. Thats not our fault. I'm hopeful both deals will go through this week.

This is better than any pre season signing! (if it's true...) Fuckin' get in, lad, shows that there is still some loyalty out there!!

Sam,

I was aware of the background to the Pienaar deal, I just think it's bad management to let it get that far. If he had no desire to sign a new contact before it reached the 12 months left stage, then we should have sold him for a better amount.

As for Yobo, if the Turks weren't prepared to buy him after twelve months then bring him back and, if necessary, put him on the transfer list. I seem to remember that Arsenal had expressed an interest in him at one point, and if Huth, Senderos etc. can be sold for more than a tin of beans and some humus then Yobo would have had a value of more than the untrustworthy Turks are trying to pay. What a fiasco.

Ray #086, don't be fooled by the Man U youth production line. Half of them were bought or stolen from others - Smalling from Fulham, and I'm pretty sure they got Cleverley from Bradford, and of course Rooney. Ferguson admitted he'd been aware of Rooney from the age of 14, and I'm sure that level of tapping up prevades.

Mark #079, a sports journalist is still a journalist. They are still paid by the likes of Trinity or News International. Given News International have an agenda to pump up the coverage of the Premier League, and footballers' propensity for getting themselves on the front page as well as the back? Or do you think that only B list actors and kidnapped schoolgirls had their phones hacked?

If this is true then thats the best bit off news I have heard all summer. Rooney, read and weep, you horrible little mercenary. "Once a Blue, always a Blue" — you left the Blue family and will never be part off it again. Bainesy will always be a part of the family.

David... this is certainly great news, but what's your source?

I think it's been established now that posts from supposed ITKs on Twitter should at the very least be treated with enormous skepticism... and probably be ignored altogether unless the poster has established some credibility over time. There are just too many idiots abusing the ease with which they can throw something up there and watch everyone fall for it.

Baines can't reject what hasn't been offered to him and I've yet to see any evidence that United have made any formal contact with either EFC or the player himself. So, for me this, this remains an entirely media-driven story until I'm persuaded otherwise.

Matt, that may well be the case, but the point I was making is that Utd don't have a record of paying for players of Baines age. And, let's be honest, we aren't that innocent when it comes to taking the products of other clubs youth schemes, like Garbutt.

As I said in an earlier comment, the Turks have held out for over two years in the Yobo deal, basically two years free service, back tracking on an agreed £5 million deal now down to £1 - £2 million.

Pienaar at £5 million after selling him for £3 million. Spurs have the upper hand in any deal because he has 4 years of his contract left so if the deal does go through they are in a win-win situation.

As for Baines, saying he is staying is all well and good if true... but, if someone comes in with a realistic offer, the board will make the ultimate decision whether he stays or not; it is simple business economics because that is the what the game is now, a business.

Baines and Jagielka are the last two of the international player who report back from extended summer breaks tomorrow. I think if Baines is on the flight to Indonesia, there shouldn't be any problems. I think Man Utd would've made their move by now as ideally you wany your signings to blend in on pre-season tours etc. And surely Man Utd know EFC won't let anything spill over till 31 August again and leave ourselves short and looking to tie up a last-minute pay-as-you-play deal for Kenny Sansom.

Thanks Michael - And here I was worrying. Well, "FootballAgent49" says it, so it must be true. Puts that worry to bed.

My feeling on the Piennar business is that Spurs are just looking to re-coup their money and Everton is waiting them out. After all, they don't need or want Stevie; that's apparent. Their move for him last season worked brilliantly.

It crippled what little of an attack Everton possessed, as was obvious once he left us. By mid-season they were so far ahead of us, they'd've had to start forfeiting games for us to remotely have a chance to catch up. Us no longer a threat, they loaned him back.

Piennar in no way pulls weight on Spurs similar to Lampard and Terry at Chelsea. But will AVB want anything resembling disgruntled players before the season even starts after the players dumped on him last season? I'd guess, no.

Add Moyes's comments on the situation and Piennar's professional conduct throughout the whole thing, I say it comes down to a few pounds one way or the other and he's back in Blue.

I wouldn't believe anything coming off that idiotic source Twitter – or the other thing, Facebook – because personally speaking anyone over the age of 16 using these so-called social networks has got to be brain dead. But I think there might just be a grain of truth in this.

I never thought for one minute Baines would want to leave; he just doesn't seem the money-grabbing 'grass is greener' type of person (Hey Wayne...) It would be a massive fillip not just for us fans but for the club as a whole... unless Gordon Clegg has other ideas. Now where have we heard that before?

John 120, source is some-one close to the club, Pienaar almost there as well. It's the most buoyant Moyes has been in pre-season for years. The squad have been kept together and added to slightly. The risk now is failing to deliver this season and generating an exodus of talent. Massive this time around. for the club, have to make europe. COYB

David Price; (170).
Top Dead Centre .
No other posts will come closer to your analagy...
Except to add... Kenwright out.

Barkley to Man Utd for £10m rising on games. Bit of a shame to see him go but the kid has a lot of talent so not suprised SAF would want him to understudy Scoles and that he wants kids for the next stage. Of course Moyes is the next in line for the big job so I can't see him being that upset. As far a Pienaar goes I don't think he is the real answer to our midfield set up. I would prefer a Dave Thomas type to link up with Jelly.

Barrow Boy 'arry slipped it to Davey Boy and not for the first time. You will also note he Cup Tied Pienaar before allowing him to come back to Everton on loan too. Gullible Davey has been 'done up like a kipper' more than once by Spurs and 'arry .

This latest ploy of making us pay more for a player they don't want is yet another example of Everton and its board's inefficient naivety especially if we end up paying millions more to get back a player we could have kept in the first place by using those self same millions to concede his demand for pay parity with Arteta who we sold at the same time and whose wages would have more than compensated for the extra we paid to Pienaar.

So all our brilliant Manager and Board have succeeded in doing is LOSING Pienaar's services for half a season for no gain whatsoever.

David Price # 170 Don't get too deluded and too far ahead of yourself and too self congratulatory the Premiership Regulations on Transfer Deadlines states

"These are:
- From the end of the playing season to 1700h BST 31st August.
- 1st to 31st January (or to the Monday 2nd February if the 31st January is a Saturday)

As far as I am aware it is still only 23rd of July with a long way yet to go and of course as we all know most action takes place close to deadline day.

Anto - where did Barkley come from in this ? Are we inventing rumours even the press are not inventing or am I missing somehting ?

Peter #206 – when we sold Pienaar to Spurs it was a case of taking what we could or letting him go on a free, the mistake we made was not selling him 12 months earlier when it was obvious he was holding out for the best deal possible, whether that be with us or another club. The moment we realised we weren’t going to be able to meet his expectations he should have been sold – i.e. end of the 2009/2010 season.

You’re right in that Spurs saw it as a “win-win” for them - cheap player who they can sell on for a profit if it doesn’t work out plus it also weakens a competitor. That situation was handed to them on a plate by Pienaar delaying his negotiations and us not forcing the issue. Neither they, he, nor we, could necessarily have banked on us being the team he’d return to either.

To suggest we could have upped his wages in Jan 11 to be on parity with Arteta’s is unfair. From memory we didn’t sell Arteta at the same time, we sold him seven months later on 31st August 2011, so the balancing act you’re suggesting on wages wouldn’t have been possible. Let’s say we never sold either of them? Now we’d have them both on top wages, which would probably mean we couldn’t sign Jelavic… or maybe Gibson… or Naismith - or ironically had we not sold Arteta we probably couldn’t get Pienaar back now? So in essence they did exactly what you’re suggesting they should have done in the first place – i.e. using Arteta’s wages to pay to keep Pienaar…..?

What do we do when the next player like Pienaar demands to be put on parity with a top earner any way? Concede? And then either get into more debt or hope / expect to sell our best player seven months later (Baines for instance) to cover it?

It’s easy to point the finger at Moyes and BK now with the benefit of hindsight but you have to temper that with historical perspective. They’d left themselves no choice but to sell in Jan 2011, or let him go for a free which would’ve cost us even more money. Their error was not selling him sooner. However, had they done that he’d probably have an even higher price tag than he does now so that Spurs could recoup their money and would then be out of reach for us completely - who knows?

I slated Pienaar in the build up to him leaving and him actually going, but in the here and now he’s a player we need at price we can afford and sometimes you have to roll with the cards you’re dealt with and accept that you win some, you lose some. Ultimately, the only reason it’s cost us money is Pienaar engineering the best deal for himself, which I imagine is exactly what he’s doing right now hence the delay.

The fact that we’re skint also means we’re open to this kind of abuse, to be honest it’s a minor miracle Moyes keeps us from being raped left, right and centre by other clubs, players and their agents given the state we’re in.