Moyes not interested in Dempsey

So far since the Rodwell story broke we have been in talks with Dempsey, definitely signing Owen, looking and Lewis Holtby, looking at Matt Phillips and some Greek guy too.

We are going to have one hell of a wage bill at this rate.

Dempsey and Owen. Makes me feel sorry I bothered to renew my season tikcet. I don't particularly want to read about Owen's latest hamstring injury or how Dempsey has no "sell on" fee. £12m? Tragic. Watch him become England's lynchpin in a couple of years.

Ray we won't buy Dempsey because of the fee involved and his desire for Champions League football plus he is too old. Interesting that an unsubstantiated rumour would worry you so. Plus, didn't we have all this Owen stuff a month ago?

The Roswell fee is £12mil rising to £17m...how exactly have we been shafted? How much were you expecting, Ray and Noel? 20mil? For a player who has done nothing for two seasons. At least downing managed a good season before his move.

I'd rather have Dempsey. I know what he can do, know he's a success in the Premier League, and know he would settle in just fine with Howard in the team and Donovan possibly returning during the Winter. But whatever, we'll sign someone and the season will start, and the sun will come up tomorrow.

Does anyone else feel that Dempsey is pretty similar to the kind of player we have just found in Naismith? Not to mention the fact that we'll probably only see half of the reported £12m from the Rodwell sale, and with Dempsey apparently weighing in at a cool £10m, surely he's out of the question?

We cant go around selling 21-year-olds in Rodwell, then looking at 29/30 year olds with the money we recieve. That is even less sustainable than our current policy of selling one big playing asset a year.

Fair enough with Pienaar, we know what we are getting with him, but the likes of Dempsey and Donovan, as good as they may be, will cost a decent fee, be on a decent wage and will be worth next to nothing in a couple of years, regardless of how well they do for us.

As for Dempsey, we're all saying he has no value? We're buying him, not selling him lads, hypotheticaly of course! If he scores 8-10 goals a season for 2 years in a row then he has value in my opinion as nobody in our midfield looks capable of that at present!

Let's get this elusive right sided player sorted first and at least balance what we have rather than throw ossie out there or hope Coleman re-captures some form!

At present i'm imaging the midfield v Utd will look something like Pienaar, Neville, Osman, Coleman with Naismith behind Jelavic? Not exactly a great midfield in my opinion?!?

Agreed Adam.. I don't want Dempsey at all. I don't think he is actually on our radar. (I'm hoping)...

Im suprised were not linked with Yakubu Aiyegbeni as he scored 17 goals last season and now in championship, theres still time I guess haha

Jim,
"The Roswell fee is £12mil rising to £17m"
What's your source for that statement, please?
That's the highest "disclosed" figure I've heard bandied about (unless you're talking about flying saucers)

That would be the Roswell incident then ?

We have no interest in Dempsey or Owen. I don't know where all this bollocks comes from. I would not have any of them anyway.

Don't people look on the Everton site before they come on here and spread stupid rumours. Another stupid rumour doing the rounds is the Adam Johnson one who is going to pay his wages because Everton won't be able to we have just got players off the wage bill.

They are not going to pay someone else on loan almost double of what our own players are on. Come on, lads, keep it real – we are likely to get some one like Phillips from Blackpool.

John
Ah-ha: That would tie in with the figures "disclosed" to me...
£7m up front, rising to £12m depending on 3 conditions, 1 being irrefutable verification of life on Mars or in the Everton boardroom before 2014

Joel 772, he obviously has value, but that value has to be put against potential rise in income. More shirt sales? Club is tied into a deal that means it's irrelevant how many kits are sold, the income remains the same.

Unless there is a huge turnaround in fortune, Everton are unlikely jump up the table by more than a couple of places. Two places equates to roughly £2 million extra in prize money. Over two seasons, that would make £4 million extra, and a player that cost £10 million would now be worth significantly less. Better to try and get younger players in and develop them.

If it just so happens that a better off team wishes to buy them at an inflated price then so be it. Before anyone feels the need to point out Pienaar's age, he has cost Everton around £1 million net, taking into account his original fee, what Spurs payed us, and the fee just agreed to bring him back.

It's been said on this site a number of times now, football has changed. For the club to survive it needs to be realistic with regards to transfer policy as it is at present the most effective way of generating significant extra income. Even Man City need to move on players.

Jim Knightley@598

Jim, I was disappointed with the suppposed figure of £12m when I considered what other players, with, in my opinion, no greater promise in £20m Henderson, no greater future in £12m, 32 year old Gareth Barry, or even £24m Milner. Or Downing no goals or assists. I think that Rodwell, 21,England full international, should have been more of an £18m up front player. Make no mistake, Rodwell may have been injury prone of late, but he has shown immense skill and presence when fully fit and when you consider the likes of Agger, older, foreign and missing in action for two years, or 43% of his time at the RS, is valued at over £20m I think Rodwell could have been a deal more than the apparent £12m.

We both agree that Dempsey shouldn't be in the frame, though.

We need to by young, almost proven talent at around a 5 - 10 million pound price range and hope they become 25 milion pound players in 3 years so we can sell it's as simple as that.

Phil - £12m potentially rising to £17m is the figure quoted by Phil McNulty and the BBC.

Is this a good deal for the club? Seems fair for an injury-prone young player who even when fit was not guaranteed a place on the first team, but less fair when you consider his obvious potential and the fact that we live in a world where Steven Fletcher is valued at £15m....

As for Dempsey, clearly a very good player/would hit the ground running etc. But just like Donovan we've missed the boat on him by a good 3 years. We already have too many players in our first team who will soon be past their peak (Pienaar, 30. Osman, 31. Hibbert, 31. Distin, 34. Neville, 35. Jagielka, 30 on Friday). We just can't afford to blow what little money we have on a 29-year-old.

If my memory serves me right, Dempsey scored 20 plus goals last season and that is why Fulham want £10M for him. Like Pienaar he dosn't rely on pace and should be good for at least 3 years. With that sort of goalscoring potential playing behind Jelly, I think it would be a fun £10M. Still, Moyes isn't interested so we can forget about that.

Didn't Liverpool bring in a shedload of young French starlets in the making a few years ago. In fact they had more young French players in their academy than anything else and it actually caused a great deal of resentment at the time (they all used to sit on the same table together talking French apparently). Where are they now? Fuck knows but none came through.

So £6M for this 17-year-old? Big gamble. I'd sooner we went for Dempsey but what do I know.

Dempsey is not a wise move. Good tidy player but is too old to be commanding that kind of fee. Fulham want 10m! Is he really worth 2 Pienaars?! Not for me look elsewhere.

Well if your talking goals, Yes. I think Dempsey scored more goals last season than Stephen has scored in all his Everton career.

Dempsey plays as a striker Steve so I don't think you can just compare their goals.

Dempsey is the same age as Van Persie who is re-portably for sale at a meagre 22mil and of course bagged a shed load of goals last time around. City are prepared to pay him over 200k a week apparently double his Arsenal wage. The fact that Dempsey is a goal scorer and goals win games then 10mil is a good price. Can Dempsey score 20 for Everton? Lets say he can get 12 in our defensive KITnick1 set up and that equates to say 8 wins and 24pts. Goals from Jelavic perhaps 15 and another 8 wins and another 24pts will give us 48pts from at least 16 games. If we want to get into Europe then we will need say 70pts so a further 22 points from 22 games. Allow 12 losses leaves 10 games for 22 pts. The prize for Europe must me worth 10mil and an improved league position. Of course this is purely fiction but if you set out your stall and adopt a winning mindset why bother at all?. We have David Moyes who is not interested in Dempsey or the prospect of what he might achieve. Ok lets get a couple of unproven youngsters and nurture them into future City and Utd stars.

Ray 815 - All the players you mentioned where bought at the end of a good season and regular 1st team players. While Rodwell has loads of potential he averages 20 games a season - maybe 1 goal maybe 1 assist. £12-18m doesn't sound too bad.

Alex Foxx (#821)

Not what I've been told... Seriously, I'd love to tell you my source but I'm afraid it has to remain "undisclosed". (for now)
Is McNulty still a club stooge? Do the BBC have a man (sic) on the inside?

There are more questions than answers (Johhny Nash)...

Watch this space.

I guess when we think about transfers and how much we have to spend, we should remember that just as we often get a sum in an installment, in this case it seems to be £12 million up front, we also do our transfers in installments.

So we have £12 million; let's say we take £5 million away from that, so we have £7 million to spend. So I guess we could sign one guy for £5 million, £3 million up front, and another guy for lets say £6 million, £4 million up front. We've spent £7 million, with £4 million due in the future, but we're expecting a further £3 million from our sale of Rodwell.

Personally, I still believe Rodwell could have turned into a star for us if it wasn't for injuries, but oh well. I just hope we get decent players from this money, and we take a step forward, just as we did with the Rooney money.

Most Rumour Mill stuff concerns players I know next to nothing, or less, about. But I've seen Dempsey play at Goodison, and I know he's a very good footballer. Strong, good skills, positive attitude.

Would he fit into our line-up? DK.
Is Moyes interested in signing him? DK.
What price will he eventually be sold for in today's shrinking market? DK.

Personally, from what I've seen of him, I would welcome him to EFC. But its a bit more complicated than that.

ps – And I've just seen a pic of Magaye Gueye at the top of the screen. Hands up who would rather have Gueye playing for us than Dempsey? I know it's not as simple as that, but I know who I'd put in my starting line-up any day of the week.

Mark - have you ever seen him play?

Jim Harrison 803

Look at our end-of-the-season run: we beat Man City, the Premoer League winners, and got Game of the Year against Man Utd with a few players that could score goals... so you saying that he wouldn't be worth it — he is a proven goal scorer, so think about it.

And with that track record, we could have a chance at Uefa and definitely a shot at Europa so you saying an extra £4 mil? Sorry, mate, I think you need to do your maths there. Europa isn't just a extra spot — it's a chance for sponsors and we will be able to bring in better players who want to play in Europe

Also saying we need to buy younger players, why is that because the top teams do that, we don't have players to fit out squad now, so why would we buy younger players?? We can't buy young guys and expect them to be able to compete with the world's best players, so yeah they will be getting better slowly while we are dropping further and further in the ladder and getting picked apart by teams with money, so great idea. We buy players we know are good so we can generate more money for younger players and not have to sell to get money.

James 835

That's the point and you have missed it. You pay more for strikers because they score goals (Dempsey is to me an old fashioned inside forward). Goals win matches and those people who score lots of them are worth their weight in gold.

That's just a fact of life. It isn't just my opinion so it's understandable that Fulham want £10M for someone who scored 20 plus goals last season. Van Persie is the same age and Arsenal want £30M for him and he has only 12 months left on his contract just like Dempsey.

Put it this way: if Dempsey goes to Liverpool and he probably will I won't fancy him being in the line up facing us come Derby day.

James 904.

Ok, so say we qualify for Europa league?

Prize money for winning the competition, 3 million. Add that to hopefully (and realistically?) finishing 5th, genterating an extra 2 million in league prize money. Hey, lets say we win the league cup to boot. Prize money 100000! So, there is obviously extra gate revenue and I can honestly say I don't know how much that could be. so we have at least 5.1 million extra generated. Maybe we could achieve this 2 seasons in a row? 10.2 million. So, that pays Dempseys transfer fee. But what about these new higher profile players who want to play in Europe? Like the ones stoke signed last season? Crouch, Palcios? Players that cost 7 to 8 million and demand higher wages.

And then all those high profile sponsors? Throwing money at the club? Yeah, sorry, cant see that really.

I am not against investment in quality players. I would love it if the club just said, yeah, dempsey, 10 million? Job done, heres the wedge Mohammed. But realistically its not worth further exposing the club to debt.

The prize of a years champions league proper is the only way to generate significant extra revenue through the league. Even then, staying in is not guaranteed. Look at the money Liverpool have spent, on players with some pedigree (if over priced) and all they have to show for 3 seasons is a league cup (100000).

Sorry, my maths may not be great, but it beats your "gives sponsors a chance" line for me.