Moyes to Schalke, Lennon to Everton

Better than the crap with Round and Neville being favourites in some bookies.

Who was Moyes when the 1st Club of English Football signed him?

They did okay in Europe this year but, let's face it, they get a free ticket every year and at no time did they look like anything but giant killers defying the odds. Lennon might have ability but it's almost impossible to judge in his current role.

Good news: looks like Bale is out on Sunday.

Every thing about present day Everton Football Club is excuse filled he strikes me as a man not of that ilk.

Kenwright's bullshit and players turning up when they feel like might get sorted – I'd take him on.

Patrick Murphy #141 – Nice one!

If DM leaves I honestly don't know who to replace him with... Salary-wise, we can attract the best, but we all know the issue regarding transfer funds.

I agree with JK (#187): Lennon would put BK on his arse.,. I wouldn't be surprised if they start spouting McCalls name... Shearer with Dunc? Now there's a scary thought!!!!

Surely the club is aiming higher than that?!!

He's the kind of manger who rules the roost and any player not giving their all wouldn't last long. But give your all and he's right behind you, he shows passion and may just give the youngsters a go. Promote big D to No 2 — perfect recipe.

If DM does go abroad Shalke isn't a bad shout but his lack of German could really count against him.

I thought FC Basle were impressive last night. Their manager seemed to have set them up pretty well for a difficult game. Bale was mostly nullified and Vertongan didn't look like the same player.

We are looking at a Martinez / Hughes / Bruce / Jones type appointment. I am resigned to be completely underwhelmed if we do get a new manager.

I would take Moyes over all of the above.

It looks like Swansea have pulled off a coup by re-signing Laudrup, and there will be many more we could get for £4m a year.

He's signed up sure, but if he were a possible target I'd only have him as no more than flavour of the month man. Unfortunately, Liverpool seem to have made their fotm appointment a right call.

However, with "The continuing Story of Bungalow Bill" and the "Eight Days a Week" search for Investment which, by the way, is going "Nowhere Man" we'll be lucky to end up with "Rocky Racoon" saying "I Want to be Your Man" and "I'll keep you satisfied". Even he will end up saying "You Never Give me Your Money". So "This Boy" says "Goodbye"

Ah well... Can't be arsed with any more, but you get me drift!

Go on, I'm interested.

(nb: not that I'd really give a shite if he could give us good football, but you make a claim that suggests you have something specific on the man and I'm curious).

Not disputing this (yet), just think a statement like that needs a little...more.

What I mean is you (I'm guessing) would be outraged if something similar were said about you with no evidence to back it up.

We've got a good manager who acts with dignity and treats people with respect. Lennon would be a huge step down from that.

He chose to play for Northern Ireland and was subject to huge abuse because he came from what was perceived as the wrong background. He has had death threats and was abused by home fans as an international. Frankly, he is not diplomatic and a times has been his own worst enemy but he has something about him that I admire.

He has made some very fine signings as Celtic manager and his advancement of Celtic in the Champion's league was a superb and under rated achievement.Imagine Everton playing against, say, Sc**thorpe every week and then having to turn out against Barcelona.I have defended Walter Smith and I will defend Neil Lennon for exactly the same reasons.

He wouldn't be my choice but he'd be a hell of an improvement than promoting from within . As far as good football goes, Eugene, I just don't know. Good football against Ross County is easy but in the Champion's League both Smith and Lennon have of necessity been pragmatic. His appointment would be a risk that I'd rather we didn't take but that has nothing to do with the man.

1. A recognised trophy or League win either here or abroad.

2. Ability to attract players because of reputation, and has an intimate knowledge of players from Europe who can represent excellent value for money.

3. No respect whatsoever for the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal or Man U.

4. A guarantee to play entertaining football.

5. Give young players a chance if good enough - if they are not up to scratch, do not keep them warming the bench for years - Duffy, Velios.

As for next please god not Lennon. Martinez? I just don't know, if he is so good why are Wigan where they are? Moyes took us from bottom 6 to top six with a similar budgets to wigans. So why hasn't Martinez done the same ?

My personal bet, but not sure about choice, would be Martin o Neil. Ticks all the boxes.....

The fact that he has managed to keep them in the Premier League is a minor miracle. He is a breath of fresh air amongst a very smoggy atmosphere of pocket-liners with inflated egos. Magnanimous in defeat and gracious in victory (even though pretty rare). As for Lennon, you are joking.

Has anyone given a thought to O'Niell? Has he lost the ability to manage at the top level? I'm not so sure...

I'm just (genuinely) curious to know specifically how the man has transgressed.

He told Celtic fans to fuck off?

Incredible!

Where and when did it happen?

I remembr a minor falling out over a 'FUCK UEFA' banner a while back but I didn't hear about 'a whole bunch of fans' being told to fuck off.

Still think 'thug' would be harsh though.

Lennon is a circus act. Some his fault, some the fault of others. There is no emotional (there you go Eugene!) link between him and everton, his credentials are debatable, his temperament suspect and there are many candidates in a buyers Market. So why bother?

Martinez has done a Houdini act each and every season at Wigan and taken them below the standards set by Bruce and Jewell. If he were something special he'd at least have them 11th or 12th, but no.

Thankfully Andy Crooks has given an accurate balanced view of things.

Lennon is Celtic through and through and that, combined with being a young manager at a huge club, meant his emotions lead him astray in his first year or two. He was completely out of order at times no doubt.

But he has accepted he made mistakes, has clearly learned from them (clear to anyone that bothered to follow him) and is one of the few clubs to not only beat Barcelona this season but come within a minute or so of getting a draw in the Nou Camp.

His eye for a player would be most welcome at Everton too. Look at Wanyama, Ki, Forster etc.

I asked 'where and when?"

Your response..

"Eugene, I think you're reading too much emotion in to my post. Do you give personalities to your collection of porcelain dolls too? You know they're just ornaments right? Lennon is a circus act. Some his fault, some the fault of others. There is no emotional (there you go Eugene!) link between him and everton, his credentials are debatable, his temperament suspect and there are many candidates in a buyers Market. So why bother?"

Yes...Thanks for that.

Was expecting something more along the lines of 'Kilmarnock (a) - May 2nd 2011' but...if that's your best you can do then...well...um..nobody can do any better than their best.

Don't get me wrong, he's had some brilliant results and performances in the Champions League but when it comes to the bread and butter of their domestic league, they have faltered!

Good managers can get their players up for games like Ross County away just as much as they would for Barcelona at a packed Celtic Park; I saw the Celtic vs Ross County game in an Irish bar in Tenerife straight after our Wigan FA Cup game debacle and they let a 2-goal lead slip and weren't that great!.

They've even had poor results and performances against the likes of St Mirren. A league where they're the only team who are head and shoulders above the rest, they should be walking it in my eyes and that isn't the case.

I just don't think Lennon would be right for us. For me, someone like Solskjaer, Poyet or Martinez would fit the bill. Thats IF Moyesy even leaves?!

In the little box, I wrote - 'Lennon tells Celtic fans to fuck off"

It just gave me a load of links on the Celtic fans 'Fuck Uefa' banner and the fans response to Lennon's remarks that he was 'impressed they had spelt it right'.

Still it's obvious that, for some reason, you are reticent to back up your story, so I'll pursue it no further.

I actually take my hat off to you - some would be worried that offering so little in response to a reasonable request, might make them appear a bar-room blowhard who just sprays unsubstantiated shite onto message boards and then gets all eggy when asked to give any detail.

But obviously not you - good on you!

He has them playing it primarily on the deck, pass and move pretty stuff. He made it out of the Champions League group stages. He'll put up with no shit whatsoever from anyone, including not being a lackey to BK.

If Moyes goes, no problem whatsoever with this. I'd love it.

Lennon's passion is contagious. Personally I'd be over the moon.

Not gonna happen, but over the moon.

You say that Lennon has been pragmatic re CL football, and I understand what you are saying but respectfully disagree albeit slightly.

Smith played awful, backs to the wall, park the bus 4-5-1 defensive garbage. Lennon, in the Juve game at home for example, does try to get them to keep it on the deck. They played exceedingly well in that game and generally the score line was incredibly unfair.

I personally thought they outplayed Juve and were caught on the break with a CB who made two awful errors and had basically just gotten off a plane from AFCON who shouldn't have been in the side – something that you could (being balanced) criticize Lennon for.

Against Barca, Celtic did play defensive and counter, but I don't think it was the anti-football you constantly and continually saw a Smith team employ. They were going up arguably the best side ever who holds the ball like no other team in the world. 99% of teams would have to employ the same tactic.

Pragmatic? Maybe. But to put him in with Smith is, IMO, way, way off base. Two completely different approaches, even in the "big" games.

I'm not a fan of his and would hate him to be our manager. No other explanation needed, is there?

I'd take MO any day of the week.

I'd probably take John Lennon over the other Lennon too

Would you feel the same about Lennon if he stoked the fires between us and the RS, really getting under their skin and going to anfield getting the win like he did at rangers?

Always liked Martin O'Neil but his success record is not so high, is it?

Hey, Budgie! Durch die mitte, nicht ausser, dumkopf!,

Doubt he'd think about moving over the channel.

And yet (still!) nobody can say when and where.

Very odd.

You say "Just amazing what you can find if you have an incling of ability and an understanding of how and why things work"

Hmmm...yeah that attempt at sarcasm would look a lot better if you had an inkling of how to spell inkling

(and a horse with a pen in it's hoof would have got closer to 'entries' than you did)

Tip: Try getting the smart-arse balance right - at the moment it's all arse, no smart.

'Neil Lennon is facing a three-match touchline ban after television microphones picked up the Celtic manager swearing at St Mirren's Jim Goodwin on Sunday.

Lennon was clearly being sarcastic in his comments to Goodwin following the midfielder's strong challenge on Celtic's Dylan McGeouch. The Northern Irishman was heard to say: "Well done Jim, you're a fucking hard man, eh? You fucking fanny."

Now I wouldn't want him as manager...but...it would almost be worth it if such cutting character analysis was unleashed every game as an audible 'extra'. "Oh aye Stevie, you're a living legend you are, aren't you? Moon faced twat." "Chin up Louis lad, you're a role model to all young kids. A shining example of soortsmanship. You swarthy young Steptoe looking motherfucker".

Lennon for manager! But just for the derby matches!

As for the Spanish Waiter, he is the perfect example of why trophies do not a good manager make. Comes into a club with an established team, wins a trophy or two in the first year before dragging the team down. Did it to Liverpool now doing it to Chelsea.

Fuck me Nathan, that's pretty strong.....you're Dubois about Martinez? Well I never!

I think that Martinez will end up with the other great managers in the making, Paul Jewell , Owen coyle.......

I just don't see what he has done or how he has improved Wigan.

But then I also predicted that Alan shearer was an absolute waste of money when he went to Blackburn for 3.3m

I think that Martinez will end up with the other great managers in the making, Paul Jewell , Owen coyle.......

I just don't see what he has done or how he has improved Wigan.

But then I also predicted that Alan shearer was an absolute waste of money when he went to Blackburn for 3.3m

Is there any way I can un-read that post?

First laugh out loud of the day.

He's saying the FSW won trophies with the team he inherited from Houlier but then went on to ruin the club by bad management.

How I wish he'd never left them, they'd be a league below us by now, never mind a place below.

Benítez was appointed coach of Valencia and he proved himself to be amongst the top Spanish managers by winning La Liga in the 2001–02 season—Don Balón and El País named him Manager of the Year.

In 2004, another league title and a UEFA Cup victory were added.
Benítez was a high achiever in his first season as he guided Liverpool to victory in the UEFA Champions League, the highest honour in European club football.

He also won the FA Cup in 2006 and reached the 2007 Champions League Final, but remained unable to win the Premier League, with Liverpool's best performance under Benítez a second place finish in 2008–09. He parted company with Liverpool in June.

The players he brought into Liverpool are now mostly playing for Real & Barca.

Are you drunk?

But in England he took Houliers team to a CL final, squeeking though qualifying and the group stage on goal difference, and got the tactics so badly wrong the team were 3-0 down at half time. By some miracle they scored 3 goals in 6 minutes and hung on while being completely outplayed to win on penalties.

In 2006 RS won an FA Cup, again on penalties, against a team that were relegated already and failed to win anything else at his time there while nearly bankrupting the club. His only claim to fame really being reaching a CL final they should never have reached (remember the ghost goal?) after again having narrowly squeeked through qualifying and group stages.

But Wikipedia conveniently forgets the facts though doesn't it? although you didn't copy and paste the part from there about his time at Milan where he really proved what a good manager he is and where he will be fondly remembered?

And considering that he had a squad of 67 at RS, I really don't believe you when you say most of them are now at Real or Barca.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I may be drunk but you're.......................

Real Squad http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/real-madrid/kader/verein_418.html

Barca Squad http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc-barcelona/kader-zunkunft/verein_131.html

"The players he brought into Liverpool are now mostly playing for Real & Barca."

4? 4 players that's your definition of MOSTLY from a squad of 67?? and I can't even be bothered to check if those 4 were bought by FSW or by Houlier.

Or more a case of 'true colours'?

I would hate to see what that makes Mr Moyes....

I think we need to try a continental style of coach, hopefully improving the quality of play whilst keeping hold of the team spirit that Moyes has developed. I hate saying it but I would prefer Benitez to Martinez.

Tony, he actually prepares sides to stifle the opposition not to beat them.

If I am right, and you agree with Steve, I really could not go any further with this, but thanks.