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Pereira next Everton boss – claims A Bola

22/05/2013 | Comments (237)
Reports in Portugal claim that Porto coach Vitor Pereira has a pre-contract agreement with Everton to become their new manager.

It has been suggested that contracts were established between his agent, Christophe Henrotay (who also represents Kevin Mirallas), and the Blues and it is also claimed that Pereira signed a pre-contract agreement with Everton two months ago.

The coach has come to the end of his contract with Porto and having won the league title this season, it is now claimed he will come to Everton to replace Moyes.

Pereira has been linked with the post before and the report in A Bola, a Portuguese sports newspaper, suggests a deal is in place for Everton to appoint the 44-year-old this summer.

The article also claims that both parties can keep their options open, in case either side decides to pull out of the deal.

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Chris Stephenson
302 Posted 22/05/2013 at 12:46:01
I just stumbled across this and his odds are now 5/2 on lots of betting sites...


Stu Green
304 Posted 22/05/2013 at 12:51:02
Here's some more fuel for the Pereira rumour fire! http://myevertonnews.com/vitor-pereira-has-had-a-pre-contract-agreement-with-everton-to-become-manager-for-2-months/
Stu Green
310 Posted 22/05/2013 at 12:55:23
Yes it nicely links back to the article I placed my wager off the back of from April..
http://www.goal.com/en-gh/news/4371/exclusives/2013/04/10/3892055/everton-eye-porto-boss-pereira-as-potential-Moyes-successor
Kevin Tully
311 Posted 22/05/2013 at 12:56:13
Wow - this would be great news if true, but what about all Bill's acting in front of the cameras?

He reportedly did fly into London yesterday, but I just can't believe we would have the foresight to get this guy.

Andrew Ellams
312 Posted 22/05/2013 at 12:58:55
Does anybody know when Porto's season finishes as well as his current contract? If it's this weekend we may well find out next week IF this is true
Brian Murray
313 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:00:10
Yessssssssssssssssss, I'm all for this,
Ernie Baywood
314 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:02:25
Interesting report for a number of reasons.
Jackie Barry
316 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:03:07
A miracle? With our owners wanting to mkve the club forward in some way or another...
Paul Andrews
320 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:05:55
This can't be true about the per contract agreement to manage the Blues.

David did not know whether he was going until just over a week ago.... AHEM!

Mike Rourke
323 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:09:59
It's the hope that kills you.
Robbie Muldoon
325 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:07:20
I want Marinez but stuck 20 kwid on Periera yesterday at 13.00 when an estate agent we know told us he was looking for homes in Formby. That would be a sweetener.
Scott Hamilton
326 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:12:47
Mike (323) - I know. If we get an "industrial" type now it will just make it harder to take!
Derek Thomas
327 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:04:41
If ( IF ) this goes through and Kenwrights picture came up on the screen, he would, for once, deserve the applause.

This is the 2nd biggest decision facing the Club since the split of 1892. If it is true and it actually works ( crashes us through the glass ceiling ) I for one
would forgive Bill all his cockups except one.... that being the Kings Dock... that is unforgivable in any way shape of form.


Mike Hughes
328 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:13:35
There's absolutely nothing in The Liverpool Echo online.

Therefore it must be TRUE.

Welcome Mr Pereira!

Mike Rourke
329 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:13:06
Robbie, if your source was more credible, like a clairvoyant dog for example, I'd get excited...but an estate agent. A bit far-fetched mate.
Jackie Barry
330 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:13:30
Well with with Moyes hanging on signing the new contract a pre-contract with somebodyvelse is possible. Definitely shows forward thinking by somebody at the club, buy that man a scotch!
David Israel
332 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:11:46
There are reports in the Portuguese press today that the Porto coach Vitor Pereira has had a provisional agreement with Everton for two months. If that is true and comes to fruition, then an announcement must be imminent, as the Portuguese League finished on Sunday.
Richard Reeves
333 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:07:32
Would praying help?
Scott Hamilton
334 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:18:19
Don't tell me Perreira is going to run down his contract and then come to Everton, thus preventing Porto from receiving a compensation payment? How can we want a man with such morals...?! :)
Robert Elliott
337 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:18:28
Please, please be true. As Frazier might have said in Dads Army- "I knew you wouldn't let us down Bill, I had full confidence in ye..."
Gavin Ramejkis
341 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:10:15
Their season ended 19th May. I'm sure I read somewhere they are unbeaten for 2 years.
Sam Hoare
343 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:20:08
This guy has been my first pick for a while now. Very much hope rumours are true. Foreign coaches are always a risk but this guy seems to have his head screwed on right and would definitely be a large step up from the likes of Mackay in terms of attracting players.
Robbie Muldoon
344 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:21:22
Well Mike you ain't getting 13.00 odds on him now, 3.00 if you're lucky.
Paul English
345 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:20:02
Come on Bill! Go for it, I'll even forgive you for all the blunders you've made. I'm buzzin!
Andrew Ellams
346 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:21:49
If Fellaini leaves, will he spend the money on Moutinho?
Kevin Tully
347 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:23:09
Why have the club been interviewing backroom staff this week though?
John Jones
349 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:22:38
Just wnat it to be true....so much.

Not getting my hopes up but just can not help it!!

John Jones
350 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:22:38
Just want it to be true....so much.

Not getting my hopes up but just can not help it!!

Ryan Rosenberg
351 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:23:53
Not sure about this one. Porto fans absolutely hate him. His record speaks for itself but Porto are only going to win the league because Benfica lost it.

I think he's a better candidate than a lot of the ones we're linked to but I'm not sold on this guy.

Jackie Barry
352 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:21:03
Hey I have no problem with Moyes going, just that I don't think he should have still been in charge once he signed the contract, certainly didn't want compensation, that is plain silly!. A pre-contract now thats something entirely different.
Duncan McDine
353 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:20:18
I was hoping for the dream combo of Neville / Stubbs but guess this Johnny Foreigner will have to do.
Dave Weston
354 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:14:36
Been wishing for this for weeks, now it is possible.Made a couple of blogs here this week wanting this guy.Just won the Portuguese premier league again without losing a game. Contract out end of June, plays attacking football, wants to be in the EPL not a big mouth like Mourinho or as polished as AVB, does his thing tactically according to his own words. Hope this does come off and is not pie in the sky.

Come on Bill show us you have got a pair and get this guy now.

Dave Lynch
355 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:24:09
Watch Bill keep his options open and pull out !
Kevin Tully
356 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:26:29
Even money with William Hill !!
Mike Rourke
357 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:24:24
I had my £5 at 12-1.

If it's true and he is appointed I will be so delighted that I won't care that he drifted out to 28-1 a day later!

Jamie Crowley
358 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:25:58
This would be the last thing I expected from BK and Co.

I'd be stunned. Surely can't be true, but would be pleased if it is.

Gavin Ramejkis
360 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:25:22
No idea Kev as none of them have the Pro badge needed, Neville only has B badge, heard Duncan has A and Stubbs and Weir may also have A badge, if you take charge you have 12 weeks to get pro badge
Duncan McDine
362 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:27:36
Don't get too excited though, its only a pre-contract agreement.... a big club like Stoke could come in and gazump us late on.
John Ford
363 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:29:45
He's bound to have an injury, siphilis or other which will force a pull out.
Andrew Ellams
364 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:31:03
Maybe they were being interviewed, just told what was going on and where they are going to fit in.

Maybe Neville's long call with Bill was him begging for a job so he doesn't have to go to Stoke

Stephen Doyle
365 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:28:47
This sounds just TOO good to be true! Just for this once can we please,please not fuck it up and get the man in, and give us all a bit of hope and enthusiasm over the summer for next season to start!
Brendan McLaughlin
366 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:31:40
Hope we don't have to medical prospective managers...
Andrew Ellams
368 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:33:25
Sorry, weren't being interviewed
Jackie Barry
370 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:32:23
Only won it because benfica lost it? Whatever, if they did'nt lose a game they deserve it!
Kevin Tully
371 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:34:50
Does anyone else feel like we will all be deflated like and old party balloon by the end of the week?

Why do we do it to ourselves? Nurse.... Nurse.........

Brin Williams
372 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:36:41
Periera & Pip - Dynamic Duo - COYB
Liam Reilly
374 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:30:40
Yes please.

The guy knows how to win and would be a world away from a championship manager who's success would be measured on is to keep the club in the Premier League.

Jackie Barry
377 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:39:49
Oh I will take feeling like a deflated old party balloon if to just feel like this for few days, or even hours!
Kevin Tully
379 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:42:08
Can we trust a news outlet that sounds distinctly like a deadly African virus?
Steve Edwards
380 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:33:33
334# Nice one Scott.
Chris Morris
381 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:41:06
Not. A. Chance.

Why would this guy contemplate coming here? From League champions to settling for 6th????

Pie in the sky but I hope he does come!!!!

Gavin Ramejkis
383 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:43:34
The MOB is dead long live POB
Scott Hamilton
384 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:46:30
Chris (381) - But isn't the Portuguese League a bit SPL pre: Rangers' financial woes?
Gavin Ramejkis
385 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:47:59
Perreira On Brigade
Barry Earley
386 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:41:01
How's his knee? I'm sure if he was announced as new manager and flown over he'd be the first manager to ever need a medical.........
Andrew Ellams
388 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:48:56
It's a two horse race Scott but the competition as a whole is better ie St Johnstone and Motherwell wouldn't offer the same challenge as Braga and Sporting Lisbon
Steve Jones
390 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:47:27
Would make sense to have him on a pre contract as part of the succession plan just in case Moyes decided to leave - hence the get out clauses by both parties. Since he has left then the deal can now be activated.

Also a great idea to keep the backroom staff as intact as possible since this guy doesnt know the premiership - I suspect he would bring his own assistant, but the rest of the staff would be expected to advise, challenge and support him.

Does sound too sensible and logical - but if true congratulations to Kenwright and Elstone for their foresight.

Ste Blundell
391 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:26:22
Just found this interview, I have to say I like his attitude.
Apparently he was trying to sign Mirallas when we got him which suggests he has an eye for talent.

“Portuguese people are strategic, with a huge work ethic” he said. “I do not have the talent to speak, in public, as finely as they do.

“Andre is very expressive, but I am different. I am a quiet person.

“I define myself differently: I am a tactical coach. For me, that part of the game is not so important.

“It is not part of my personality.”

“I like my teams to have total control, of the ball, of the game,” he said.

“I like to see my teams pressing very aggressively, very high up the pitch.

“The important thing is the balance between the attacking and defensive elements, but pressing high is the best way to defend. We have had the best defence in Portugal for the last two years.”

“There are two parts to our job,” he said. “One is to find the young players before other clubs do.

“And then the other part is to help develop them.

“We look in countries where players tend to have creativity in their game, and then the coach’s job here is to teach them the tactics, the organisation, that you need to thrive in Europe. The players who move on take most of the credit, but for the coaches it is proof that we are doing our job.

“It is an honour for me to have worked with so many fantastic players. It is a point of pride to see them move on, to a better league, because it is a mark of my work.

“But the problem is that every year the best players are sold; we cannot build a team. Every year, we start again.”

Kevin Tully
393 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:49:25
Porto's Pereira parts with Pip before pre-season!

(More of a ring to it than Dour Dave Dares..........)

Lewis Morrison
394 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:48:39
Ryan #351 I wouldn't mind Everton winning the league because Man Utd lost it thank you very much!

Hope this latest manager rumour is true, I really do.

Richard Dodd
398 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:05:11
Exciting! Has anyone got a summary of his career to date?
Does he satisfy `the industrial agenda`?
Will he be expected to work with Davey`s back-up staff or bring in his own men?
Will BK appoint a Director of Football who will act as a buffer between he and the manager (somebody to blame if it goes tits up?
Nick Entwistle
399 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:55:45
A pre-contract where both can pull out (fnar) for any reason? Kinda makes it no more official than Bill's handshake with what's his face who buggered off to Newcastle.
Richard Dodd
405 Posted 22/05/2013 at 13:57:35
Gavram,don`t be so bloody negative! I thought you be part of the PIB- at least until we`ve played the first game of next season.
Duncan McDine
407 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:00:31
Wiki him Doddy
Chris Regan
408 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:02:16
Sorry to add a negative tone to the thread, but I just doubt he would come. I don't know why but as soon as these stories began to gain momentum I thought of that Brazillian player that Mike Walker tried to sign but couldn't because we wouldn't pay his tax or something like that. What was that fella's name?
Gavin Ramejkis
409 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:04:36
Doddy, brain in gear before engage fingers, post number 385, I also voted Perreira in the poll, 0 out of 10, must try harder, easily distracted
Richard Reeves
410 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:01:25
I hope this thread gets a massive response, hopefully hundreds of posts, all in favour of this guy. It would send out a clear message to the board.
Lloyd Farrell
411 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:01:56
@Richard Dodd -
http://www.goal.com/en-gh/news/4371/exclusives/2013/04/10/3892055/everton-eye-porto-boss-pereira-as-potential-Moyes-successor
Andrew Ellams
413 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:05:04
Hope he knows it's a bugger to get work permits over here for young players from countries who tend to have creativity as part of their game. Just looked at Porto's squad and it's full of Brazilians with little or no international experience
Andrew Ellams
416 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:08:33
Chris that was Muller
Chris Regan
417 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:05:09
Muller! That was the greedy c**ts name, Muller! Link to three players we nearly signed. I still doubt these Pareira rumours. Can you imagine the conversation iun Kenwright's office:

BK: 'Hello Vitor, take a seat'.
VP: 'Cheers Bill'
BK: 'Now Vitor last trime I appointed a manager, I told him I would bend over backwards to give him five million a year to spend'
VP: Cheerio Bill

End of chat innit!
http://www.sport.co.uk/football/top-three-players-that-nearly-signed-for-everton/45137

Lloyd Farrell
418 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:07:49
Vitor Pereira has pre-agreement with Everton By Jose Carlos de Sousa and Antonio Casanova
This is from abola.pt translated using google translate...

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dportuguese%2Bnewspaper%2Ba%2Bbola%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D963&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pt&u=http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx%3Fid%3D403633&usg=ALkJrhhwVEhIIGp1kyeUz4eZwTeogmCwIQ

Chris Regan
419 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:15:22
Thanks Andy #416, I was busy writing my post as you posted your post.
Tony McNulty
425 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:21:28
Here's hoping A Bola isn't Portuguese for "All Bollocks"
Fran Mitchell
426 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:30:39
A Bola means 'The Ball', which probably means it's a footy paper/magazine which probably means it's a load of tabloid bollocks.
Jason Heng
428 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:30:47
Don't celebrate yet. Bill will get the medical team to find at the last minute problems with his knees or something like that
Marco Tornini
430 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:24:22
"Porto are only going to win the league because Benfica lost it."

Really?? Porto didn't lose a single league game all season (played: 30, won: 24, drew: 6, lost: 0, for: 70, against: 14, points: 78).

Periera's league record over two seasons is - won: 47, drew: 12, lost: 1.

Gerry Quinn
431 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:37:55
A Bola? isn't that a hemorrhagic fever?
Peter Fearon
433 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:37:30
The A Bola piece also says that this is far from a done deal and that negotiations are still going on because both sides have the right to withdraw for any reason. It sounds more like this pre-contract was really a first refusal deal. I hope it works out our way.
Patrick Murphy
434 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:37:01
P.O.B. just like that old C4 show I used to watch on Sunday Mornings with a massive hangover.

Chris Regan
435 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:43:02
Gerry, #431 - I thought of that joke but did'nt use it as it was so weak!
Mike Hughes
436 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:45:00
Worrying news from BBC+++Martinez to decide future in next 24 hours+++On a happier note - Mark Hughes is favourite to get the Stoke job+++That's them doomed then.
Fran Mitchell
437 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:44:06
just looked at the hopepage of the paper, it claims moutinho is off to monaco....oh well
Jay Harris
439 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:44:20
At least it shows a strong possibility.

I just hope Phil Neville doesnt "pip" him to the post.

Gerry Quinn
440 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:46:00
Thanks, Chris, appreciate the compliment :)
Phil Sammon
442 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:46:18
I'm headmaster of a school in Formby. I've just had an enrolment form come through for two brothers named Periera. All looks very promising. I'm sure young Peri and Sierra will settle in nicely.
Andrew Keatley
444 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:40:29
I fear - and that's all it is, fear - that if these Pereira contract rumours are true then Kenwright has only agreed terms in order to cover his back.

If, as alleged, there is a clause for either party to back out of the agreement then Kenwright will orchestrate some sort of last minute contractual problem that just couldn't be resolved (see the Leroy Fer transfer), and end up promoting from within. He can then make all the desired noises about the club having the ambition to employ a high-profile foreign manager, but that it just didn't work out. While that may sound far-fetched to some, I think Kenwright is a willing exponent of smoke and mirrors when it comes to the running of the club.

I don't know if I would want Pereira anyway - I mean what do we really know about him? A friend of mine (a football trader) who follows the Portuguese league relatively closely said that Porto have by far the best squad of players in the league (explaining their dominance), capitulated horribly to Malaga in the Champions League, and that the Porto fans pretty much despise him.

For me, these are cynical times I'm afraid.

Richard Dodd
445 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:39:37
Nice try ,Gavram but Pereira On Brigade,really? Hope BK doesn`t hear about it or he`ll go the way of Fer. This is an ethical as well as industrial club,you know!
Phil Friedman
450 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:56:57
If they have had a pre-agreement with him, it just shows how the Moyes departure was an orchestated sham. Surely the deal to go to MU was struck last January around the time of the Fer debacle (which could have been part of the sham). The clincher for me was the Financial Times story than ran a week ahead of the departure announcement...stories like that don't just appear, it was a set-up to smooth the way.
Jay Harris
451 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:44:20
At least it shows a strong possibility.

I just hope Phil Neville doesnt "pip" him to the post.

Paul Ellam
453 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:50:43
A Bola is Portuguese for Daily Mail isn't it???
Pereira was my choice from the beginning but I have experienced too many false dawns with our club to get giddy just yet!
When I see him at Finch Farm I will let a smile form - the potential with him in charge is great, and exciting.
Maybe we aren't that far off the top four after all?
IPWT!!
Brian Lawlor
457 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:03:01
I've been told that Stubbs reckons he's got it and has told people close to him he has and it will be announced in the next 24 hours.
Kevin Tully
458 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:03:53
It would seem a very popular choice after 90 posts - only two or three dissenters ( A TW record? )

Now we know this, who will we really get?

Ste Blundell
460 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:04:27
There was a Tom Bola in our school, always won the raffles.
Clarence Yurcan
462 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:23:03
Didn't this same A Bola also report we would get Negredo during January?
Tony McNulty
463 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:19:48
Good one Ste. I don't think Australians are fond of this publication either. I was at a Test match once and made a comment about Warnie's fondness for pizza. This Australian guy turned around and said, "Are you criticising A Bola?"
Gavin Ramejkis
466 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:18:51
Doddy the I doesn't balance so it's obviously O for On, try again
Peter Jones
469 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:31:43
Please god be true.
Scott Hamilton
471 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:42:37
BBC News reporting that Martinez to make a decision about his future within 24 hours...
Scott Hamilton
472 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:43:46
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22628235
Alan McGuffog
476 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:56:32
Please let this just be a smokescreen, hiding our true target, Megson, so that Spurs don't come in for him.
Chris Regan
477 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:57:03
Phil #442, what school are you a headmaster of?

This seems a strange story, why would a pre-agreement be signed so both parties could pull out. Is the agreement dependent on something else, like investment? Bill is still looking 24/7/365 for a gullible mug... sorry er.... new investor for the club.

Steven Telford
486 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:23:44
Now this would be great news!!!!!!!!
I wish it were true..........
Steve King
490 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:33:41
My god this is torture!

I don't trust BK to do the right thing. But if he does get this fella in then it will go a hell of a way to changing my opinion of him!

It gonna turn out to be bollocks isn't it.....

Mike Green
491 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:37:07
Young, tactical manager wih 69% win rate, signs and develops young players, wants to manage in the EPL, flies into London for interview with top half EPL side and then flies home.

Half of me is excited at the prospect that interview was with Kenwright, half of me is dreading that we may have completely screwed it!

Richard Dodd
493 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:32:47
Gav,Whether its I for in or O for on,you can bet Bill will find a way to fuck it up .
Still more likely to be Martinez (or Stubbs if Roberto tells him the money`s crap tomorrow!
Kevin Day
495 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:35:21
Yes please!
Chris Regan
503 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:54:49
Are Chelsea looking for a new manager? I know Mourinho is supposed to be a shoe in, but he could go to PSG - may be.

This is all BS or about to come crashing to an embarasing halt. Remember Muller was about to go into the pressconference with Everton then walked out 20mins before hand.

I have a feeling that I am watchin a car crash in slow motion. If I am right - no one dare resuscitate Kenwright.

Disclaimer: I am only joking, resuscitate Kenwright.

Jake Lucas
504 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:59:38
Phil #442

Are you trolling or has that actually happened?

Mark Griffiths
506 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:59:27
Vito slightly drifting although still fav and RM coming in a little.... who will it be?
Mike Green
509 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:02:27
Jake - I think looking at the kids Christian names is probably a joke.....?
Brian Waring
511 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:00:27
Steve (#390) Moyes said he was always planning on signing a new contract and was already working towards next season, he and BK both said the Man U offer came as a bit of a shock, so can't understand why they would sign a pre-contract with another manager if Moyes was always going to sign a new contract.
Ross Edwards
514 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:07:54
I'd be delighted.
John Malone
527 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:00:56
The old been looking at houses in Formby classic! Enough to slash odds in half round these way's.

Take a good look in the mirror give yoursleves a slap and remind yourselves, this is Everton we are talking about with Kenwright calling the shots. The nearest he get's to a bit of foreign flair is a chicken tikka pie!

Our last manager was brought in from Preston f.c., before that another jock, couple of old englishmen has been's and so on. Call me a pesemist but I just can't see Bill opting for an exciting trendy foreign manager, only a local based brit.

Colin Glassar
529 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:23:27
A Bola is a very prestigious Portuguese football rag similar to As or Marca in Spain, l'equipe in France, der scheisskopf in Germany etc.... This is not the daily fail gents, this could be the real deal.
Richard Dodd
536 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:26:51
Yes,John,spotted in Massoms Lane within the last hour,having looked over Stevie Gs pile.Earlier at St.Peter`s Primary booking the kids in.Now on his way to the Freshy-get `em in,Phil Matt!
But keep your dough on Roberto !
Steven Telford
537 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:34:03
The part that makes it standout as being bullshit is the a "pre-contract agreement" from 2 months ago. Yeah, right.
Paul Jamieson
541 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:41:07
It was reported by The Blue Union last week that Bill knew Moyes wouldn't sign a new contract 2 years ago. Personally I believe them over Bill, their track record is one of complete honesty and they have a knack of showing up the Board in their true colours.

Over to you Bill...

Paul Jamieson
543 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:43:06
http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/22/everton-set-to-appoint-porto-coach-vitor-pereira-as-new-manager-on-two-year-contract-3805027/?

And then more recycling of the same story... Don't get me wrong I'd love it to be him over Martinez but so many rumours you just don't know what to believe! Let's just hope he only met the tea lady at Finch Farm because if he's met of the any other Numpties then you just know he'll NEVER sign!!

Gavin Wadeson
544 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:36:38
The Echo did an article about Pereira being our next manager well before Moyes left us for United. In hindsight, I'm now wondering whether they knew (or suspected) something. It'd be fantastic news if it was true!
Chris Regan
556 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:58:16
It's hard to get people to agree on many things, but disliking the Daily Fail, Talksport and anything todo with the RS seems to unite all. So far I have see nothing in the. Way of real evidence apart from this Ebola article.
Ste Blundell
559 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:50:42
He met some fella called Dave Whelan apparently, must be one of our back room team.
Brin Williams
564 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:14:27
Here's the whole thing in Portugese I'm afraid any translators out there?


Vítor Pereira tem pré-acordo com o EvertonPor José Carlos de Sousa e António Casanova
A- A A+

Vítor Pereira tem um pré-acordo com o Everton já há dois meses. Os contactos foram estabelecidos pelo seu empresário, Christophe Henrotay, ainda em fase de prospeção de mercado, mas evoluíram para entendimento tácito por o ciclo do treinador estar confinado a dois anos de contrato e não ter sido aventada pela SAD portista a hipótese de renovação.

Negociações com o emblema de Liverpool que se precipitaram entretanto dada a entrada da equipa portista numa espiral de maus resultados a partir de 13 de março, com a eliminação da Champions, derrota na final da Taça da Liga e dependência de terceiros na Liga após empate com o Marítimo que deixou os dragões a quatro pontos do então líder Benfica.

A já há muito anunciada, mas só agora oficializada saída do treinador do Everton, David Moyes, para o Manchester United fez também com que os contactos se tenham intensificado mesmo à distância no tempo e no espaço, com a salvaguarda dos blues manterem em aberto outras possibilidades no caso de qualquer das partes denunciar o acordo.

Chris Morris
565 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:16:45
That roughly translates to "Hahahahahaha not a hope in hell of me going there. Why would I go to a team that offers no money for players and is happy with 6th?"

Roughly

Alasdair Mackay
566 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:12:37
There was a thing on Sky about Pereira being a coach as opposed to a manager in the mould of David Moyes.

It would be a much bigger change than Martinez or one of the current players / ex-players that have been mentioned a lot.

Kenwright has said already that he wants someone who can continue Moyes' work and take it to the next level.

Either way - my first choice (McCall) has never been mentioned by the club or the bookies and my worst case scenario (RB) has never become more than just a horrible rumour.

I'd rather have Neville, but whoever Kenwright picks I will get behind.

Peter Thistle
568 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:08:14
I fear this is all just a tease and we will be gutted tomorrow to find out the real new manager is someone uninspiring.
Paul Kelly
569 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:20:27
Is that a light I can see at the end of the tunnel?
Colin Glassar
570 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:21:29
Brin my Portuguese ain't great but I think it says, "watch this space".
Barry Rathbone
571 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:14:03
Fascinating.

If Kenwright was astute enough to get this lad a few months ago remarkable how the forums have suddenly become so enthused.

I don't recall his name EVER being mentioned in Moyes replacement debates ..... not suggesting he's slipped a few new names onto the boards to get the bandwagon going or anything.

Jeremy Benson
572 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:26:56
Re: Paul @541

Over 2 years ago? Please.

Sid Logan
573 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:20:45
Just reported on Sky Sports News.
There are 8 candidates on the shortlist for the EFC manager's job 3 internal have already been interviewed: Weir; Stubbs and Neville. The club would like to interview 5 external candidates??? Does that mean they've applied? Who knows!
They include Pereira; Martinez; Laudrup and 2 not so good others others.
Apparently Everton supporters have inundated Bill Kenwright's office with their views and he is aware of their views.
Pereria is apparently currently favourite!
It's a night for prayers.
Colin Glassar
576 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:30:23
Metro are saying it will be Perreira and that bk wants Neville as his AM. I could live with that.
Chris Morris
577 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:32:06
Alisdair #566

McCall??? As in Stuart McCall???

Why?

Chris Morris
580 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:34:26
I heard an outside chance for Glenn Hoddle as part of the team
Mike Green
582 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:32:11
Colin #576 - me too.

Neville has his weaknesses but from what I can see he's a true proffessional, has a genuine connection with the club, will work hard to suceed and provide Vitor with the necessary help settling in, communicating with the players etc.

I also think he's a good bloke who knows the top job is too soon for him at themoment so what better start in coaching than assistant at Everton? Loads of exposure to what a big job takes without the pressure, plus will help provide some continuity if thats needed too.

Downside? Not too much continuity please....

John Gee
583 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:36:07
Chris, Stuart McCall has just been named manager of the year in jockland, he's an ex-player and he's not Rafa. 3 reasons there. This Victor Perieriareia sounds good to me though.
Richard Dodd
584 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:34:41
Latics fans were saying today that Martinez would not work under a Director of Football and I said I didn`t know we had one! Are we to see BK putting in a `continental structure` rather than an `industrial` one?
Colin Glassar
586 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:41:15
Chris Morris, Hoddle would be fantastic in any capacity for us. He's a genius when it comes to tactics, is well connected all over the world and the media love him. If he becomes some sort of advisor or director of football with Martinez/Perreira it would be a win-win situation for us.
Chris Morris
587 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:45:19
Colin Glassar,

When I heard it I got excited because I can see only good things if we did. Although if I'm honest I have to admit that I've not seen his name mentioned anywhere or in any odds so I think it's BS

Simon Bradley
589 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:45:25
I asked my football loving (Sporting) colleague in Lisbon about Vitor, and he said...

"Not sure if it's the right choice, he worked with Vilas Boas and took the main role in FC Porto when Vilas Boas left for Chelsea.
In 2 years he won 2 championships ... But in Porto the difficulty is to lose national titles :-)
Their football is not a joy for the eyes and this year they had the star of luck.
From what I see from Everton you need a coach to bring young players to the main team and don't invest too much in players."

Doesn't prove anything either way , just thought you might like to hear......

Mike Green
590 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:45:52
"Per-eira... woah a wo
Per-eira... woah a wo
He going to take the Blues
To Barca and Toulouse..."

Am I getting unduly excited....

Patrick Murphy
591 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:47:08
It's interesting, BK listening to the fans - I hope we've picked the right one whoever that is - and it seems they have adopted a professional way to go about the recruitment process which as our history is littered with leaks that have managed to scupper the likes of Bobby Robson joining in the 1970s is a welcome change, it does beg the question are there more changes on the way, let's hope so or are we just utilizing our new managers resources at his new club. I must stop being so cynical.

Leon Marshall
592 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:24:13
This from Metro today

Malaga CF v FC Porto - UEFA Champions League Round of 16
New arrival: Everton are set to appoint Vitor Pereira as new boss (Picture: Getty)

Everton are set to appoint Porto coach Vitor Pereira as their new manager after agreeing terms on a two-year-deal.

As Metro revealed two weeks ago, 44-year-old Pereira was among the top targets to replace David Moyes at Goodison Park after he joined Manchester United.

And now reports in Portugal claim that Pereira has verbally agreed to move to the Premier League on a two-year contract, with Abola suggesting the deal will be signed imminently.

Patrick Murphy
593 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:51:51
Sorry that should have read Old manager resources at his new club.
Mike Green
595 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:48:59
Simon #598 - "football is not a joy for the eyes" might look like Brazil to us and if he can bring "the star of luck" with him that'd be great.

As Napoleon said "I have plenty of clever generals but just give me a lucky one"

Tony Marsh
596 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:51:08
I don't want him. No Premeir League or English football experience. He doesn't speak a word of English. Could end up another Christain Gross.

We need someone who will hit the ground running; we can't afford bedding-in time or babysitting a rookie. No we would be better off with Neville and Stubbs to be honest — at least we know where we are with them two .I can't believe the hype... probably none of you calling him to come here would know him if you fell over him. Big gamble to say the least.

Richard Dodd
597 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:48:57
My biggest worry is that were BK to announce Alan Stubbs as the new man tomorrow, there would be a backlash that would get the new man off to a bad start.
Whoever is appointed,we must get behind him because WE ALL want success for Everton FC !
Brent Stephens
600 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:02:37
Hoping against hope. This would be a great appointment judging by all reports on him.
Sid Logan
602 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:47:39
Alasdair#566
Don't be silly. Stewart McCall was a good player for but he hasn't featured highly in fan's wish lists.
I still can't get over the way we debate choices on this site and then, out of the blue, someone comes ignoring all previous discussion and suggests a complete non-starter. Why??
Read previous threads before you post what I'm sure are well meant comments. This debate has been going on for almost 2 weeks and we don't need new candidates at this stage!
Mike Clinton
603 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:47:21
I know virtually nothing about this guy apart from reading up on all the recent news stories, and recent league success.

But two things jumped out reading his profile on wikipedia, one is it says he signed a pre contract with Everton so it MUST be true! It's on wiki!!!? And second it says he crashed out the champions league at group stage, then straight out of the Europa cup, then out of the Portuguese domestic cup.....this guy sounds like Moyes ideal replacement!!!? ......just better looking

In all seriousness the only issue is limited experience at top level 2 years for Porto who aren't in a difficult league) and how much of this success is down to him (or was it more from what he inherited??)

Sam Hoare
605 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:59:08
Totally theoretical of course but let's just say we had a choice between Laudrup (but had to pay 5m out of transfer fund for him) or Pereira on a free; who would you take? The one concern about Pereira is that he inherited a very good team and has no experience beyond Porto.
Mike Green
606 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:04:11
One positive is because on the whole not many Evertonians seem to know much about him (put me at the top of that list) in the first instance he'd almost get 100% support from everyone - unlike Martinez, Neville / Stubbs / Weir, Rafa, Pulis etc which would cause varying degrees of frustration, disappointment and with Rafa, anger.

It would feel, well...... just like a new signing. :)

Jeremy Benson
609 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:03:01
We need a young, ambitious, relatively unproven british-style manager appointment, someone who will be here for 6 years+.

Not a mercenary in-it-for-the dosh or to gain a foothold in the premier league and gone after 3 years.

EFC is not a quick fix.

Ray Roche
612 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:08:42
Tony Marsh,
Tony, who would you like to take over then?
John Gee
613 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:07:11
Sid, you could always just stick your fingers in your ears and shout 'na na na na nah, just tell us one I already know'

Anyway, how about Andy Gray. I know he sounds like a closet red and acts like a get but it's better than Rafa who is a CONFIRMED red and IS a get.

Mike Green
615 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:11:36
Jeremy #609 - "We need a young, ambitious, relatively unproven british-style manager appointment, someone who will be here for 6 years+".

Isn't that... erm, what we've just had...?

Ross Edwards
616 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:13:03
Well, with BK not being one of these trigger happy chairmen (to his credit) even if he is from American Samoa he will still get 5 or 6 years.
John Crawley
618 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:14:18
Tony could be wrong but I'm sure several people have said he speaks English. I hope that Thomas Tuchel & Bielsa are amongst the five external candidates. I still rate Tuchel very highly and he definitely does speak English!
Kevin Tully
619 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:15:27
'Kin ell Marshy - Neville & Stubbs!! Half the players don't even like Neville, a massive no for any reserves taking over! They are only going to shit themselves, and only know how to play one way, KITANO specialists.

The new guy might fall on his face, but well worth a punt in my eyes, could revolutionise the club.

Ross Edwards
620 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:19:37
Andy Gray??? Well, he'll certainly smash it won't he?
Simon Templeman
621 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:22:52
Pereira, with Stubbs or Pip as AM, who understand the rigours of the Premier League?
Robin Cannon
622 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:17:13
@Tony (596) - Actually, every profile points out that he speaks fluent English.

You say that it would be a big gamble, and I'd tend to agree.

But I'd argue that this is a time when taking a risk is actually a safer option than the "safe option". To change our approach while building on the relatively solid foundations laid by Moyes, rather than treading water in the same way.

"He could be another Christian Gross"; really so could any foreign manager. Just as any British manager we hire could be another Mark Hughes or Gary Megson.

Pereira's just won his second title, while remaining unbeaten. He states a desire to play an attacking, possession based, pressing game.

A "safe pair of hands" isn't going to take us anywhere. A well regarded young manager with a record of success abroad could certainly backfire, but the chances are no greater than any of the other candidates listed; and haven't we been saying for a while that we'd prefer to fail while reaching for something higher, showing some ambition, than being satisfied with the safely mediocre?

Sur Jo
623 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:30:30
According to wikipedia, he's signed for everton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%ADtor_Pereira_(football_manager)

Nick Wall
624 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:30:02
#596 Tony Marsh : Pereira is a fluent English speaker - http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/vitor-pereira-perfect-fit-everton-3817219
Richard Dodd
626 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:26:29
Tony Marsh,you`ve just spent 10 years slagging off Moyes as an absolute no-hoper and you now come up with Subbs and Weir who are even more KITATNO than he ever wanted them to be!
All credibilty lost in a trice,I`m afraid!.
David Israel
627 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:25:37
To answer a few questions around here and correct some minor lapses: Vitor Pereira's contract is coming to and end. He's just won his second League title on the trot, unbeaten. In their past three League seasons Porto have lost one match only (last season). Two seasons ago - under Andre Villas-Boas - they were also unbeaten champions.

I have stated here, on a few threads, that Pereira doesn't inspire me all that much - I have been living in Portugal for some time and I have watched Porto on a number of occasions, but - yes, but! - the recent news on a possible "internal solution" makes me hope that Pereira will get the job.

The Portuguese League ended on Sunday, and so, if there's any truth to these reports, an announcement should be imminent.

Paul Gladwell
628 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:31:44
Spend years slagging Moyes then want his yes man to take over, strange.
Ross Edwards
630 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:36:35
Bielsa is free in the summer., as is Rijkaard. So is Mr Periera. I would be honestly suprised and delighted if they were the external canidates.
Sam Hoare
631 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:36:57
Tony just hates all the positivity and agreement on this thread!
Mike Green
632 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:41:20
Sur #623 - was it you that amended Wikipedia?
Jamie Crowley
633 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:44:40
2 year pre-contract. many clauses..

Hilarious. Ya gotta love wiki

Steve Woods
634 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:06:31
I would love the VP rumours to be true, I agree with Colin 576 & Mike 582 if PN is being considered to be his assistant I too would be happy with that. It could give us (hopefully) progression plus continuity. It seems VP does not like to do team and half time talks so PN could be the man for that.

However, having supported the blues for almost 50 years I hardly dare get my hopes up and so I await a hefty kick in the slats from Kenwright. The man is just cheap and I can't trust him to make any decision in the best interests of the club. I do hope that for once he can prove me wrong on this most important occasion which is a pivotal moment for the club.

Robin Cannon
641 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:54:26
@Steve (634) - I tend to agree. Neville as an assistant to Pereira sounds like it could work well. I think in the long term Neville has a lot of potential as a coach/manager.

I'm kind of hoping that as Pereira is out of contract then we might have a rare situation where the cheap option coincidentally ends up being a good option, too!

Paul Lally
642 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:15:25
I am a season ticket holder in the Lower Gwladys.
I am surrounded by other season ticket holders.
At the last home game the talk amongst those sitting around me was who the new manager might be and their preference.
One of them stated that Pereira had been a guest of Kenwright on two occasions at Goodison this season.

And he speaks very good English.

I posted this on another thread and asked if anyone could confirm this.
Hopefully,this article is the confirmation I was looking for as it all seems to fit.
Add Neville as part of his team.
COYB

Richard Reeves
644 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:31:54
No one knows whether he'll be a disaster in the same way that no one knows If Phil Neville could be our greatest manager but given the choice I would pick Pereira every time.

It is hard to compare Pereira to any of the backroom staff at Goodison as Pereira has a record as a manager and the others don't. To win two championships in a row and to go unbeaten all season tell's me he isn't a bad manager and to add to that that he likes his teams to attack which makes that statistic all the more impressive.

I think if the club recruit from within then we'll be slugging it out with a lot of effort and commitment but technically we won't improve and I wouldn't expect the team to improve in being able to retain the ball. Laudrup was my first choice but this guy was my second so I certainly won't be complaining if we got him.

Mark Frere
646 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:38:38
I must be honest, this Periera guy doesn't excite me that much, He's only really equaled the achievements of recent managers in the portugal league for Porto. His team have also been very poor in Europe compared to AVBs and Jose Mourihno's Porto. Lets remember he's only been there 2 years and he inherited a very good side.

This Bielsa guy is the one that really excites me, described by Pep as one of the best coaches of the last 20 years, great tactician, doesn't need lots of money to spend to be successful and loves coaching and developing youth. Like Ross says, he will be available on a free and think he's tailor made for Everton.

Come on BK! Lets get this Bielsa on Board

Jackie Barry
647 Posted 22/05/2013 at 20:03:33
2-year contract many clauses, hilarious!!!
Tony Marsh
648 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:59:16
Doddy, Ray Roche I don't want Stubbs, Neville, Wier, Big Dunc none of them. Who I want or we want is irrelevant. It's who we can get realistically. I want Jose Mourinho or Klopp but we can't have them can we?

I just know Kenwright will fuck up. I don't think a rookie or someone with no English football experience will suffice. Winning the title in Portugal and trying to compete in the EPL are worlds apart. The pace and physicality of our League can frighten some managers and players to death. Bringing an unknown quantity to Everton FC is a huge risk a massive gamble. If you can't see that then you are dumber than I thought, Doddy.

If we are playing the "Who Do We Want?" game and we keep it within sensible boundaries, it would have to be Martinez for me as he is available and has Premier League experience. He may be not ideal but better than internal recruit or untried foreign coach... That okay for you guys?

Tony I'Anson
650 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:48:53
Whether it is Vitor Pereira or not only time will tell. If the sucession planning was implemented as DM was running down his contract, then this just seems very sensible and logical for an £80m turnover business, with 1 person in a key role. If it is not Vitor, then I only assume another pre-contract agreement has been put in place some months ago. And I can only assume that whoever's name is on it, has been properly thought out and analysed as part of Everton's strategic plan to move forward and appeal to the next generation of Evertonians by bringing success to our great football club.

Proper succession planning for any SME business is critical if the owners (who are generally the founders) want it to outlive them and form part of their legacy. In that respect, Everton is no different on all levels.

Tony I'Anson
651 Posted 22/05/2013 at 20:24:35
succession - Lyndon, any chance?
Phil Martin
653 Posted 22/05/2013 at 20:27:41
My mate who works at Nandos in L1 text me earlier to say he saw Pereira having a slash outside the all you can eat Chinese buffet restaurant.
Stu Smith
654 Posted 22/05/2013 at 20:27:46
Driving home listening to talksport the bookie (I think it was Paddy power) mentioned Favre as the next manager for the first time. Has anyone on here being putting money on it to declare tje clubs interest?? :-)
Peter Hall
658 Posted 22/05/2013 at 20:44:37
From Wikipedia today: On 19 May 2013, Pereira won the league title[5] in a unbeatable campaign with no defeats and only 6 draws. On 22nd May 2013, he signed a pre contract agreement with Everton FC. 2 year deal. Many clauses.
Karl Masters
661 Posted 22/05/2013 at 20:28:51
Planning at Everton? Oxymoron if ever there was. Maybe BK has planned this to perfection, but if he has it will show what a cunning fox he is.
Bren Connor
663 Posted 22/05/2013 at 20:52:23
Maybe he can build us a new ground while he's at it:
http://evertonpereira.com.br/
Clive Lewis
671 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:15:41
Hang on lets not get carried away. How many time has the famous bullshitter spoken of the special ones, then only to deliver blaaaaaaaa. Is this a season ticket blag then to be found out he wasnt suitable so we went for PN?. You might be sucked in to another master lie.
Clive Lewis
672 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:18:05
and here comes the bombshell!!!!!
http://myevertonnews.com/vitor-pereira-has-meetings-in-london-could-he-be-the-next-everton-manager/
Patrick Murphy
673 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:19:19
I bet there's a sanity clause in the pre-contract document, as an Evertonian I never believed in him. Thank to the Mrax Brothers circa 1933
Kevin Byrne
676 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:29:12
Benfica lost to Porto through a late substitution by Porto ... he knocked in the winner. I'm glad he appears to be lucky?

Not sure if it will happen though unfortunately...

Brian Harrison
677 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:32:38
SSN are saying that Everton have drawn up a list of candidates for the job, they have already interviewed Neville,Stubbs and Weir from their existing staff. They now wish to interview Laudrup,Pereira,Martinez and Machay.
Jamie Sweet
679 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:16:27
Pereira is probably the only candidate we've been seriously linked with that would show that the club have genuine ambition to break the top 4.

I see where grumpy Tony Marsh is coming from to an extent, as a foreign coach with no experience of English football is always a risk. He could sink or swim. A Wenger or a Gross?

But he has already established himself a fine reputation. If you were a top young player looking for a move to a top English club - which one out of Vitor Pereira and Alan Stubbs would be most likely to tempt you to Goodison?

Patrick Murphy
680 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:36:29
They'll have to ask permission to speak to them first and no club has said that they have been approached for their manager, I reckon SSN is just taking a flyer or fishing for information as usual.

Clive Lewis
682 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:38:31
according to this link he has been interviewed today.... however porto have offered a new contract so if true its going to be PN has originally thought.
Jake Lucas
689 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:46:12
Mike #509

Ye I know it was wishful thinking, but as a fellow Evertonian you must also feel the need to grab onto the potentially joyful things, as ever improbably they are? Haha

Brendan McLaughlin
692 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:50:25
Clive #682
That's my main concern...perhaps he's simply using Everton to negotiate a better deal at Porto
Patrick Murphy
701 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:59:58
I agree Brendan it's beginning to look that way , BK is good at supporting managers just not the ones that he employs.
Matt Traynor
702 Posted 22/05/2013 at 21:59:14
Brendan #692, much like Andy Gray did to us with Sky all those years ago!
Anyone know what he's on at Porto, what they pay their top managers? I know Chelsea had to cough up Eur 12.6m in compo for AVB a couple of years back (only to sack him 6 months later), but didn't think they were on a par with the Prem wage-wise.
Nick Entwistle
715 Posted 22/05/2013 at 22:10:43
Really crap journalism here...

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/401719/Christian-Atsu-talks-up-Premier-League-move-amid-Spurs-and-Everton-interest

Ian Bennett
720 Posted 22/05/2013 at 22:20:56
He's out of contract and his wages are unlikely to be more than £2m. Is more likely than Martinez I'd say.
Danny James
730 Posted 22/05/2013 at 22:21:38
We've become obsessed with the idea of Vitor. He's probably shite. His record at Porto does not make him a great manager. We appointed a manager who had won 9 titles in a row, playing attractive football and scoring shed loads of goals. And then Walter Smith joined Everton and played 8 defenders in his team

Robin Cannon
734 Posted 22/05/2013 at 22:33:16
@Danny (730) - I think more an obsession with the idea of something different and refreshing, rather than an uninspiring and clearly mediocre hire.

Of course, now that the likelihood of his becoming manager is higher, everyone's decided he's shite. ;)

Steve Ferns
736 Posted 22/05/2013 at 22:08:21
I've got everything crossed that there is some truth to this. I would still prefer Bielsa, but Pereira sounds like a step in the right direction.
Anthony Lamb
740 Posted 22/05/2013 at 22:07:30
I really do wonder why there is such a groundswell of opinion for Mr Pereira. Yes, he has been successful with Porto but this is with the the only team/city regularly challenging for the title with Benfica/Lisbon. It is not far short of the situation pertaining in Scotland until recently with Celtic and Rangers dominating an otherwise limited league. Such is the status of the Oporto/Lisbon axis that they obviously attract and suck in the best of their Portuguese youth, develop them and when appropriate sell them on to the so called "bigger" leagues. His club is not in the same parlous situation as Everton — crumbling, inadequate stadium; seemingly no major funds to strengthen the side etc.

I have watched Everton for some 60 years and through most of that time we were in fact one of the big clubs in England — at times the top club. But, at present, we are no longer one of the big clubs and certainly not in any position to get near being the top club without a long term solution to the financial/business model so sadly deficient at present. Whatever we think of Mr Moyes he has worked within these limited circumstances exhibiting some degree of realism and understanding of the situation and the board have been very fortunate that he was able to achieve what he did in spite of their dreadful deficiencies. Everton need someone who is acutely aware of the present situation and the constraints within which he will have to work; be mindful of the wider culture of the club and try and marry the two.

i just have a feeling that many are seduced by the "glamour" appeal of a foreign appointment in the hope of emulating someone like Wenger at Arsenal - but Arsenal were not in the same situation as Everton of today! Pereira may well be a good appointment — who knows — but he would need someone like Phil Neville (or someone similarly experienced and aspirational with real insights into the realities of the present Everton situation) to be alongside him. This stage of Everton's history should be one of slow consolidation not risk taking for mistakes now would be truly catastrophic. After all it was a young relatively inexperienced Scottish manager who "saved" Everton from sinking into the mire of mediocrity that threatened during the Walter Smith regime. Of course we finished sixth in the league but it is still a brittle position needing very careful -– and committed – long term handling to maintain it or improve on it.

Mark Pierpoint
742 Posted 22/05/2013 at 22:42:21
I really hope that the club gets the manager it deserves and we deserve. Just a note of caution. Beware false prophets. Everyone is excited about a foreign named coach from exotic climbs taking over the club. In reality he has kept Porto on a steady path. that is it. He may be class, but the reckoning that he is the second coming based on squarely nothing has to be toned down somewhat. I think Martinez winning an FA cup surpasses winning a Portuguese titile with Porto. I am not saying it should be Martinez on this basis but lets not lose track of reality...
Mark Frere
748 Posted 22/05/2013 at 22:51:47
Well said Mark, that's why I am so keen on Bielsa, he is world renowned coach with bags of experience and if considered by our board i'm sure he'd jump at the opertunity
James Martin
755 Posted 22/05/2013 at 23:06:21
Mark, Pereira in theory at one point was just Porto's Alan Stubbs, just like AVB was before him. I'm excited by the name just like everyone else but I'm sure the spurs fans were as well with Juande Ramos before it fell flat on its face. Whoever the new manager is lets get behind him regardless of his background and hope it works out well. (Much rather Pereira than Stubbs though despite all that!)
Mike Jones
765 Posted 22/05/2013 at 23:29:51
The Wiki page hs changed...
Alasdair Mackay
771 Posted 22/05/2013 at 23:36:59
Sid

I'm just expressing an opinion. I don't think for a second that McCall has ever been in the running, but he certainly should have been. I've mentioned him on other threads and I'm not the only one.

He has played for the club and at a time when we were competing for trophies. He is a proven winner and has taken Motherwell to the Champions League. Can't believe he wasn't in the running to be honest.

Steve Jones
787 Posted 23/05/2013 at 00:16:43
Mark #748. Some great points about Bielsa, I never realised he was an international manager and so intense about the game, interesting quotes from wiki about him, making me think again about Pereira! Hopefully the board are open to the same ...

From Wiki ...

His leadership is based on serious methodology and very formal conversation that seems awkward and odd for players, especially in the beginning. However through these methods of obsessive formality he has managed to convince his players to play attacking football in all teams he has coached. Athletic Bilbao's striker Fernando Llorente said in an interview "At first he seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius. he convinces you to keep working and running and it can be seen in his teams' games and practices. He knows more than anyone in the world, he is elite. Once you get used to him you love him."[27] Barcelona's Pep Guardiola called him the "best manager in the world" in 2012.[28] 3–3–1–3 is his signature formation.

Paulo Hogerio
796 Posted 23/05/2013 at 02:22:46
To all the Marcelo Bielsa believers —he is defo the future for this Everton team. We need radical change to take that next step.
Paulo Hogerio
799 Posted 23/05/2013 at 02:39:16
Bielsa also managed Ayala who has only got praise for his tactics n skills. Bring on El Loco.
Steve Pugh
835 Posted 23/05/2013 at 09:24:31
Tony Marsh doesn't want a risky new manager. He wants a manager with a proven record of failure in the PL, presumably so he can continue to complain.
Mike Rourke
836 Posted 23/05/2013 at 09:36:20
Bielsa is my overwhelming number 1 choice.

However with his odds at 400-1 ( Roughly the same odds as Elvis returning to Earth in a spaceship on Doomsday ) I'm tempted to call the chances of him being in the dugout on the opening day of the season a bit of a long shot.

Pereira is a very satisfactory 2nd choice.

Alan Ross
839 Posted 23/05/2013 at 09:24:02
Having signed a pre-agreement he might well have thought he was getting a theatre managers job.
Tony Marsh
840 Posted 23/05/2013 at 09:43:51
Steve Pugh, do you remember that last Next Big Thing to comes from Portugal to the EPL? AVB was supposed to be a bigger and better version of the Special one. AVB went to Chelsea with all the superstars and money and he shit himself. He said it took him 6 months just getting used to the pace of the game here. He was quickly sacked.

Now AVB is at Spurs, another club with a huge squad and one of the world's top young player Bale, What has AVB actually done? Do you get the picture, Steve? Can you grasp what I am saying.

Everton does not have the massive spending power or squads of Chelsea and Spurs yet you and others are prepared to hand the job to an unknown guy from Portugal just because it looks trendy on paper... How is what Pereira has achieved any different from Lennon at Celtic?

Ray Roche
843 Posted 23/05/2013 at 09:52:12
Tony Marsh @ 648

Tony, I agree with you that any internal promotion would be a non-starter for me too, but I'm no more convinced with Martinez, a man with a poorer record than Bruce and Jewel and who has just taken Wigan down, than I would be with Perreira. However, Pochetino (sp) , despite the language barrier and no Prem experience, managed to improve Southampton's fortunes so maybe Pereira might well cut the mustard. Especially if you believe the old adage about football being a simple game, i.e:- Pass the ball to the same coloured shirt, score more than the opposition, let the opposition worry about YOUR game, and not the other way around. I might apply myself...

Tim Jones
847 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:07:14
If it is true that Perreira signed a pre-contract agreement 2 months ago then some of my frustrations with Billy Liar preparedness will have been quashed. But it will be a slap in the face for Moyes Boys who are STILL convinced the Dire, Dour, Deceitful ,Disrespectful, Dishonest one was fully intending to sign a new Everton contract right up to the moment he heard the ASTOUNDING news , that no-one had ever guessed, that SAF was retiring and that HE was a shoo in to replace him.
Raises some questions about BK conspiring with Man U, SAF and Dire Davey though and then shedding theatrical crocodile tears.
Patrick Murphy
850 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:19:26
This mornings Daily Post is reporting that no such pre-contract agreement has been signed and that it will be next month before any appointment is made. The list of names they have is more or less similar to the names that have been bandied about elsewhere, however, they only use 'club insiders' as their source and don't appear to have any hard evidence to back up their claims.
Andrew Ellams
855 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:18:38
Does anybody remember the game England lost in Rotterdam that stopped them qualifying for the USA World Cup? It was Graham Taylor's 'Do I not like orange game'. The BBC made a fly on the wall documentary based on Taylor in that match that showed Phil Neal, Assistant Manager at the time, standing behind Taylor throughout the match repeating the second half of every sentence he said followed with a yes boss, no boss three bags full boss.

That is the image I get in my head every time I think of Phil Neville as an Assistant Manager

Paulo Hogerio
857 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:31:19
Bielsa now 33/1 from 500/1 (stan James) is that elvis I see
Gary Carter
859 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:29:57
I don't really get the conspiracy theory angle of Bill K manufacturing stories of getting Perreira then pulling out of it at the last minute, I mean what would he possibly have to gain from this ? I can understand it with players like the Fer deal as it saves him seven million, and to be honest even then Im not so sure these phantom bid things are any more than idle internet chat as NOTHING ever comes to light to prove the conspiracies true. Dirty lies like that always come out in the wash as so many people are involved, outspoken players, agents with re[utations to protect and even players themselves that probably don't want other clubs thinking they are crocks, it all just seems a little far fetched to me. But with Pereira even more so as he is out of contract and so wont cost any, Moyes was on 4 million a year I believe and so BK can probably half that at least, just doesn't ring true I'm afraid
Steve King
861 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:39:30
Martinez suddenly down to 2/1????
Jim Potter
863 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:46:30
I hope for his sake that Pereira does not speak good English. If he does take over this might enhance his chances expedentially - as he won't understand the slagging he'll receive come his first dropped points.

Quem é esse “Tottyweb”? E porno?
No sir ... it’s a forum for fans.
Me liker de fanny mucho mucho!
Erm, no sir – it’s a website for Everton fans to express their opinions.
Shame ... so, tella me, wat do thisa mean ... “Pereira is a friggin’ useless pile of shite”?
Er ...
Ana dis one ... “Pereira is Blue Bill’s bum boy”?
Well, er sir ...
Ana ... “Let’s get shut of this useless twat”?
I think, erm, that their opinion, is .. erm
Datta dey lova me?
Yes sir. They love you.


Kev Johnson
864 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:44:54
I do wish people would stop quoting betting odds. They mean sod all.

On a more general point, an Evertonian named Steven Taylor has just shouted out for Pereira on the BBC Sportsday Live page. How come I never see anyone from TW on that page? Has anyone here every been on it?

Paulo Hogerio
865 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:48:01
Bielsa out of contract also would cost nothing and his wage structure was just over 1 mill. He has proven record with Argentina and plaudits from pep Gaurdilola he's my only choice
Steve King
869 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:51:32
Sorry Kev but with nothing coming out of the club and the media reporting every man and his dog, bookies odds are all we have to go on! When you see a sudden drop you have to wonder what has caused it.
They got it right with Ferguson retiring / Moyes taking over at utd.
Kev Johnson
871 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:57:19
Didn't mean to have a go at you, Steve. I know that odds can be significant on occasions, but they tend to be when inside information leaks out (like SAF). Otherwise, I think bookies have no more to go on than you or I. They just look at who's available, who might be a good fit, and listen to the gossip.

As I understand it, they have their own system of working which ensures that bets are continually placed, so shortening and lengthening the odds (almost at random) helps with that. Someone (I can't remember who) explained it all on TW recently. on.

I tell you what, I could do with some movement on the managerial situation. All this gossiping is a bit too girlie for my tastes!

Steve King
878 Posted 23/05/2013 at 11:39:08
No worries Kev. I do understand that they adjust odds to try and tempt people in etc. I guess it works too...........a mate of mine put a tenner on Klinsman on Monday, purely because his odds had suddenly dropped to 16/1.

I agree, I'd love to see it sorted out straight away. I can be arsed with all the rumors and speculation continuing through the summer!

Tom Bowers
912 Posted 23/05/2013 at 13:46:14
Question? Why haven't Everton announced it if he has signed up?
He would be a very dodgy choice as his pedigree is very short albeit a success in Portugal where many teams are really poor outside of Porto,Benfica and Sporting Lisbon.
Communication will be a problem until he learns good English and it is likely he will bring in his own men so expect some staff and players to be on their way soon.
If he comes then lets at least cut him some slack for a while after all Moyes got a lot of slack for 11 years.
Paul Ferry
920 Posted 23/05/2013 at 14:46:04
Periera speaks v good English
Paulo Hogerio
922 Posted 23/05/2013 at 14:47:06
"No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness" EL LOCO should be are man
Paulo Hogerio
923 Posted 23/05/2013 at 14:49:57
Never mind Martinez,Laudrup,Vitor and anyone from inside the club we need radical change. Come on BK go and get Bielsa
Mick Fleming
924 Posted 23/05/2013 at 14:56:54
Paulo @ 923, you have a great name mate. Have you ever thought of applying for a vacant managers job? My money is on you now mate!!
Paulo Hogerio
933 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:24:08
I don't think I could handle BKs ego Mick(924).
Steve Pugh
008 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:13:00
Tony 840, please point me to where I said that I wanted an unknown Portuguese manager. You can't, because I don't. Nor do I want a proven failure.

If we are going to take a risk, which we are, then I want it to be somebody who is as passionate about Everton as we are. Whether they are in the club now or an ex toffee doesn't matter but if you cut them they must bleed blue.

Steve Jones
209 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:33:48
Pereira doesnt know the English game. Thinking about it the English game is faster, more aggressive and less technical than the Continental version....and thats it. Its not a completely different game its just, basically, less pretty and rougher.

AVB had issues adapting to our game but, reading some of the background to his time at Porto, Pereira was brought in as AVB's assistant exactly because AVB was technically weak. Pereira was the brains of the outfit and Villas Boas was the face, charm and charisma. If thats true it could well explain the failure at Chelsea...not because a Portuguese manager would struggle in the Prem...just that AVB wasnt that sharp.

According to the Portuguese press if Pereira has an issue its that he doesnt have the gravitas that the locals over there like in their managers...he's a quiet and a thinker...thats the basis of the issues with the Porto fanbase. Tactically its also said that he doesnt have much of a plan B if his style of possession football doesnt work and he can look a 'bit lost' when it all goes wrong. That said though the stats speak volumes...its not 'all gone wrong' for him very often. Quite the opposite.

We need change, thats for definite, and I cant see another shortlisted candidate with Pereiras qualifications. Simple as that for me.

Ross Edwards
281 Posted 24/05/2013 at 12:42:27
Nothing wrong with Bielsa. Some people have little imagination on here!

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