Everton could have to pay Wigan £5million for Roberto Martinez

Mark Pierpoint
569 Posted 27/05/2013 at 07:29:16

I am unsure as to how having a rolling contract supposedly gives Whelan the upper hand? at best all he could expect would be for us to pay out the contract, and lets be honest, he isn't on 5m a year

Peter Laverty
571 Posted 27/05/2013 at 07:32:49

Did we get anything in the way of compensation from united?

Denis Richardson
573 Posted 27/05/2013 at 07:35:47

It's The Mirror so the true figure is probably nearer £500k!

Brian Lawlor
575 Posted 27/05/2013 at 07:35:16

This coupled with the small fact Martinez got his team relegated mean he should not be considered now.

My preferred choices are Laudrup or Zola. Laudrup is unlikely; however, if Watford don't win today, surely Zola's going to be considered.

Thomas Windsor
577 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:00:39

So Neville it is then.

Matt Traynor
579 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:03:35

There goes our summer transfer budget then

Mark Pierpoint
580 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:03:18

No because he doesn't officially leave until 1st july. He is effectively working through his holiday at the moment. Not sure whether he is still receiving a wage from us?

David Ellis
582 Posted 27/05/2013 at 07:53:18

I am sorry but this article makes no sense. Mark Pierpoint is quite right. The only compensation Whelan can "demand" is that Martineez (or his future employer) buy out his existing contract. This could be expensive if Martinez is on a long term contract without the ability to terminate it. If however it is a "rolling contract" then it will not be long term. How much Everton would have to pay would depend on the length of notice Martinez is required to give Wigan to get out of his contract. If it is a "rolling contract" this would probably be 12 months (as it would naturally roll season to season). Having said that as the season has just finished it may not need any notice at all as it is at the end of the current period and the current term of his contract may therefore have expried. In that case Martinez would be available to Everton for no extra fee.

If he does have time still left on his contract he would have to give notice to Wigan in accordance with the contract (which is unlikely to be more than 12 months). If we wanted him early then we would have to pay his old salary for the period we wanted him to come sooner. This would also likely affect the salary package that we would agree with Martinez as it reduces his value to us. i.e. we would pay him less than otherwise in order to partially recover the costs we have to bear. This is why it made sense for Moyes to arrange it so that he would be out of contract at the end of the season. He can then be taken on by Man U without his future employer having to pay off his old employer - so no negative pressure on his own salary.

And Peter Laverty - we got no compensation from Utd for Moyes because Moyes' contract simply expired. So there was nothing to compensate for.

Mark Tanton
584 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:06:19

A one year rolling contract surely means that the club will only be owed one year's wages?

I wonder if this explains the current inertia in appointing a new manager - is Kenwright trying to scrape together some money, and also (quite rightly) trying to avoid being taken to the cleaners by I-Broke-My-Leg-Whelen?

I was a Martinez fan but his reluctance to either piss, or get off the pot has left me doubting his drive and ambition to be honest. Look at Moyes, he has left for a bigger job and didn't twat about - and why would you?

Mark Pierpoint
587 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:12:37

Great points in your last paragraph Mark. I am like you. I can't understand his reluctance. He has just been relegated after all. Like you say one thing you can say about Moyes is when he left Preston and when he left us he showed decisiveness and ambition. Likewise I appreciate the loyalty of RM to Wigan but really there isn't much to think about even when trying to think impartially.

Mark Tanton
589 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:19:43

I also grow in confidence with every day which passes that we're not going to appoint internally - I think if Kenwright had confidence in those candidates he would have appointed one. None of them are experienced enough and need to manage lower down first - arrogance and vanity on their behalf to think otherwise.

Sam Hoare
593 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:27:07

Don't see why we would have to pay £5m for Martinez but if so then id rather someone cheaper. There are alot of good managers out of contract or cheaper than this and when our entire yearly net spend is about £1m I don't see that this would be good business. Would rather get Pereira and put £5m towards a good striker.

Matt Traynor
594 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:31:36

Marks, maybe Rubeeerrttttoooo's reluctance is that he's waiting for an offer. That won't come unless BK can agree a compo figure with Whelan. It would be unwise for Rubeeerrttttoooo to openly court the job, as unless he's had his head up his arse for the last few years, he'll be well aware of Everton's ability to cock this up.

Steven Telford
595 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:32:54

Suerly this is one guy who would have had a relegation escape clause in his contract.
I think it's bullshit.

I could live with a it, but still not at all sure Martinez is the right guy for the job.

Steve Guy
597 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:35:13

Martinez is on an even better ticket at Wigan than Moyes was at Everton (if that's possible !). If Martinez was that keen on Everton he could have had his fireside chat with Whelan last week. For me he just comes over as indecisive (on top of his prevaricating at the end if last season too), which in itself is worrying in a supposedly top class manager.

Mike Rourke
598 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:31:58

I presume we paid a couple of 100k for our shit new badge/rebranding exercise.

Why not continue the theme and overpay for a mediocre manager too?

Ian Bennett
599 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:42:47

£5m plus £2-3m p.a. seems a lot for someone who isn't up to it and will be sacked by February. Looks a very expensive mistake to get Relegation Roberto.

Martin Handley
600 Posted 27/05/2013 at 08:41:36

Good hopefully that means we won't get him,as I said on another post he's the Spanish version of Martin O'Neill ,over rated and over hyped.

Vitor Periera is out of contract,better,more successful and available, Bill Kenwright the choice is so simple even you can't mess this up, over to you.

Ian Corky
604 Posted 27/05/2013 at 09:07:35

I have to agree, guys. Watching Roberto Martinez on telly last season he almost talks as much shit as Brenda. 27% win rate in Prem!!!

Please, Bill, Pereira: 67% win rate, plays attractive football, has a winning mentality, and free from 1 June — no-brainer for me.

Thomas James
605 Posted 27/05/2013 at 09:02:34

£5m doesn't strike me as value for money when Periera, Neville and Weir (!) would be free, Poyet (about to be sacked) would be cheaper.

Personal choice would be Di Matteo. Saw a lot of his style at MK Dons snd he is terrific tactically knows how to play decent attacking passing football, exactly what we need.

Brent Stephens
611 Posted 27/05/2013 at 09:29:34

On rolling contracts - you could have somebody on, say, a 3 year contract but which is renewed (for another 3 years) at the end of each year - so compo could be for the full period or whatever remains of it.

Andrew Clare
612 Posted 27/05/2013 at 09:22:16

We all know that this is just 'paper talk' possibly with an element of truth. Quite frankly, we shouldn't be considering Martinez.

If we want to go to the next level, then we should look at a successful European-based manager who has the right 'philosophy' regarding how to play exciting football. Favre, Pereira or Jorge Jesus are the type of calibre of manager that should only be considered.

If an Aston Martin is available for the same price as a Ford Focus, what would you choose? — SAY NO TO AN EPL MANAGER

Alan Ross
614 Posted 27/05/2013 at 09:25:36

Just got it from the Wigan site that he has 12 months left on his contract so effectively thay would have to pay Wigan his £2m salary plus bonuses. The bonuses are dependant on silverware and/or relagation so they would cancel each other out. He has been offered a new improved contract but has yet to sign it. So the information from the mirror is a load o doodah, as you would expect.

Paul Ellam
621 Posted 27/05/2013 at 09:53:11

Martinez could cost £5m
Pereira would cost £0m
Am I missing something???
Surely it would make sense to go for the better qualified man who won't cost a penny!!!
This club makes me sad.

Liam Young
630 Posted 27/05/2013 at 10:03:25

Hopefully Martinez is pure speculation, because for me it's the wrong option whether there is a fee or not.

Vitor Pereira is the man for the job, with a much greater record and a reputation for excellent attacking pressured football and developing the youth ayers which we know is essential for us with our lack of funds. Barkley would benefit from an experienced manager with excellent youth management, I think he can be a key player for us next season.

Phil Walling
632 Posted 27/05/2013 at 10:04:17

Well,I wouldn`t fork out £5M for Martinez.Then,I wouldn`t have conspired with David Moyes to ensure he had the option of signing again for us or pissing off to Man Unt. as soon as he liked.
Nobody will ever convince me Roberto is the right man for Everton anymore than Davey`s departure was not a plan put in place months ago.
But then, this is BPB we`re dealing with and we know he has the club in his heart-even if t`s not so near the surface as those crocodile tears he`s fond of shedding!

Brian Harrison
633 Posted 27/05/2013 at 10:11:13

Sadly it looks like BK isn't going to listen to the fans as most don't want Martinez but looks like he will get the nod. So we can look forward to his post match interviews telling us how well we played and we were really unlucky to concede those 3 late goals that cost us the game. My only hope is if we do get him then either Stubbs or Weir or Neville is his assistant so they can impart some defensive play as Martinezs teams are clueless in that department.

Robin Hunuki
634 Posted 27/05/2013 at 10:00:36

I'm with Paul @ 621... I'm not sold on Martinez and am not willing to put the clubs history on a relegation battled manager even though he has PL exp. Vitor Pereira for me 100 percent.

Anthony Hawkins
635 Posted 27/05/2013 at 10:06:51

I don't want Martinez at Everton. I've not seen anything which suggests he's a good manager or will be able to further our plight for a top 4 finish. Yes Wigan won the FA cup- but so did Wimbeldon. A Championship team or 1st division team can do immensely well in the FA cup but perform badly in the league - that's the beauty of the cup. The league does not lie and I don't want a manager that's taken a club down because it means he wasn't good enough tactically psychologically to get the best out of the players he had. May be the players weren't as good as at Everton but were they really worse than the teams around them? I don't think so.

I want a manager who will give the club impetus. I'd take Mackay over Martinez even though he's unproven in the premiership because he's on his way up. I'd definitely prefer Pereira though.

If Martinez, Stubbs or similar is appointed I'll become more of a passive fan - because I don't want the pain which is likely to follow. If they do well GREAT! But I'm not convinced. Neville I'd watch with intrigue.

Mike Hughes
638 Posted 27/05/2013 at 10:18:49

Paying Wigan would be a complete joke.
Then again, this is Everton, the club with the new badge so anything's possible.

As others have suggested, I don't see what the big deal is about Roberto Martinez. I don't get why he's apparently rated highly. I see several other better candidates - Pereira being at the top of the list - who potentially would cost far less.

With respect to Whelan wrangling over compensation, the bloke's being touting RM for a bigger club for the past couple of years - so do one.

Norman Merrill
656 Posted 27/05/2013 at 10:59:42

When is anything easy & simple, where EFC are concerned?
I await with bated breath, our next important decision, which for 24/7's benefit is our
new manager!

Aidy Dews
666 Posted 27/05/2013 at 11:35:47

There's no way we're going to pay £5M to get Martinez and some of his staff! If he's on a rolling contract then we'd surely pay the amount of what he'd earn in a year and a little bit more in compo and no way does that make up to £5M, not even paying for the likes of Graeme Jones, his No 2, either!.

Wayne McNee
674 Posted 27/05/2013 at 11:58:37

The whole thing is "theatre"! This is BK we're talking about. Expect an internal appointment. As with transfers, loads of noise, little intent.

Robbie Muldoon
679 Posted 27/05/2013 at 12:29:02

Peter Laverty, are you messing?

Mick Fleming
691 Posted 27/05/2013 at 12:40:24

Wayne @ 674 bang on mate. Everton have just rolled Kendall out to the cameras waxing lyrical over an internal appointment in the form of big Dunc. That's his free tickets and beer money sorted for next season eh!! We can expect that announcement soon, fucking joke of a club we are.

Terry Maher
696 Posted 27/05/2013 at 12:57:17

That's a lot of money for a manager who's dropped down to the Championship.

I wouldn't pay it.

Ross Edwards
697 Posted 27/05/2013 at 12:58:26

Not whenwe could get Pereira, Montainier, Rijkaard, and perhaps Bielsa for free from 30th June....

Paul Kelly
713 Posted 27/05/2013 at 13:12:30

Lets hope the compensation is off the radar. The more it costs to get Roberto the more blue bill will run a mile, and we'll dodge a bullet.

James Marshall
718 Posted 27/05/2013 at 13:39:13

I think this is great news - anything that puts us off appointing a massively overrated, lucky manager who's luck just ran out is OK by me.

Appoint someone who knows how to win, not some guy who loses every week and only managed to win 6 games a season at Wigan.

How the hell is Martinez a good manager is beyond me. Utterly speechless at his potential appointment. Please no no no.

Harold Matthews
778 Posted 27/05/2013 at 15:09:55

5 million is ridiculous. BK won't even consider it. Anyway, the hacks on Sky Sunday Supplement reckon he would be far better off going to Stoke.

Ian Glassey
885 Posted 27/05/2013 at 18:07:51

According to another site Pereira has been offered a new two year deal, anyone
think he was using us to get a new deal....

Tim Jones
914 Posted 27/05/2013 at 19:13:45

The same guys who say Martinez is not a good manager because he 'ONLY' won the cup at Wigan are the ones who kept telling us Daft Davey would have been a great manager if only he had the money.

Mike Hughes
915 Posted 27/05/2013 at 19:15:11

Ian #885

Pereira out!

:)

Matt Traynor
917 Posted 27/05/2013 at 19:18:14

Ian #885, he's the new Andy Gray then!
To be fair we don't know if he was ever offered the Everton position. Doddy's Wigan sources seem to be indicating Martinez has been in the frame for some months.

Mike Hughes
920 Posted 27/05/2013 at 19:21:28

BREAKING NEWS FROM THE PRESS

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The Bank Holiday DFS sale has just ended.

(Sorry - just thought I'd lighten the mood).

Patrick Murphy
923 Posted 27/05/2013 at 19:25:56

Mike that's really peed me off, do you think they will have another one anytime soon?

Mike Hughes
924 Posted 27/05/2013 at 19:28:24

Don't know Patrick...but I too am gutted.
We can only hope.

Noel Early
930 Posted 27/05/2013 at 19:34:12

Its been a good couple of days at Goodison Park... Firstly, that horrendous badge and now Roberto Martinez....... Kudos to Kenwright — he really does listen to the fans.

[Think I just got sick in my mouth.]

Simon Smith
960 Posted 27/05/2013 at 20:25:29

£5M to buy his contract out? I could think of better ways to spend the money...

I know: let's spend it on a new badge... or on new players and get a bloke in to do the job who is out of contract. Periera will do for me!

Colin Glassar
965 Posted 27/05/2013 at 20:33:47

Accept it lads, Martinez is our next manager. It will be announced this week.

James Stewart
966 Posted 27/05/2013 at 20:35:59

It's a depressing day when Gary Megson and Tony Pulis have shorter odds than the likes of Bielsa

Gavin Ramejkis
970 Posted 27/05/2013 at 20:42:22

It wont be the FSW he's just signed it at Napoli

James Stewart
033 Posted 27/05/2013 at 23:47:13

Phil Neville out the running as well. Guardian reporting he is joining Moyes and Round at United as first team coach.

Patrick Murphy
037 Posted 27/05/2013 at 23:52:27

I bet Martinez turns us down tomorrow and then we can expect more of the crap that this guy in the Miror is spouting. Who's to blame for what should have been a smooth transition turning into a summer of discontent I think It's unjust William.

Everton aren't quite at the Lidl or Aldi level, but they are no better than Kwik Save in terms of where they can afford to shop.

Paulo Hogerio
085 Posted 28/05/2013 at 02:06:12

BIELSA !!!!!!!! No contact from Bilbao because he is coming here. Kendall and Kenwright at the game on Sunday. The last game at the old stadium San Mames and the Los Leones have still yet to contact him. I told you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Bell
092 Posted 28/05/2013 at 02:55:47

Paulo

Where you there, did you personally see them? Or is this heresay b**locks?

Lloyd Farrell
096 Posted 28/05/2013 at 03:24:30

@Steve #092 & Paulo #085
I'm going with here say cods wallop....

But it's does have me thinking as Kendall was the manager a few years back...
Did he cut all his ties with the club?

I sure hope we don't go for Martinez, I understand that he has PL experience, but it's four years of relegation experience.

It will be like going back to the Walter Smith days...
Why would we want to do that.

Jason Lam
101 Posted 28/05/2013 at 04:05:24

Let me put it out for all of us conspiracers to consider: what makes you think blue bill gets to decide who our next manager is?

It will be David Moyes and his team who picks out his successor and determines his 'compensation'.

Blue bill knows fcuk all about choosing a football manager.

Peter Foy
107 Posted 28/05/2013 at 06:02:30

I can live with the fans not knowing who will be coming in, so long as Bill has been to finch farm and told the players in confidence who is on the short list. Last thing we need is player exodus due to lack of communication.

Stu Smith
156 Posted 28/05/2013 at 09:24:51

I see there are a lot of managers names being quoted on this like favre, perreira, biesla, rikjaard(sp) etc but the question we have to ask ourselves is... would they come to Everton? some have CL football next year and big budgets to spend in the transfer market whereas we...... have no european football and a transfer kitty which, lets be honest, matches that of a lower half PL side.

Yes Id want to see a big name manager here because we need to move to tje next level but we have to be realistic in what we can afford.

Paulo Hogerio
175 Posted 28/05/2013 at 10:30:30

BIELSA !!!!!!!! No contact from Bilbao because he is coming here. Kendall and Kenwright at the game on Sunday. The last game at the old stadium San Mames and the Los Leones have still yet to contact him. I told you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Keightley
177 Posted 28/05/2013 at 10:38:08

Paulo do one !!!!!!!!

Dave Lynch
185 Posted 28/05/2013 at 10:53:13

Paulo.

If you are a blue stop this nonsense NOW ! Its bad enough waiting for an announcement from the club without you spouting your bullshit.

My guess is you are either a Manc (red) or one of satans slaves from across the park just trying to stir it.

Either evidence your stupid claim or piss off........

Kevin Tully
196 Posted 28/05/2013 at 11:05:27

I know he has just got his Wigan side relegated, but people tend to forget Martinez is still only 39, and still learning his trade. They say you learn from adversity, and I believe that will be true of Martinez.

Wigan's starting line up in the F.A. cup final cost less than Fellaini!!

He knows the opposition before the season starts, that's got to be an advantage over someone coming in from Europe.

I am sure he would bring in a couple of very good players from that Wigan side, and his free signings have been a revelation. Better than almost anyone in the League for value - this is the market we operate in, except we got McRooney back!

Okay, his defensive record was shite, but don't you think Baines, Distin, Jagielka & Coleman can shore up the back? Heitinga is off this summer, and we can probably get £5m plus £50-60k a week wages freed up, that gets you International quality, not a freebie from the lower Leagues.

It looks like Fellaini will be going, and even Neville was earning the wages of three Wigan first team players.

People really need to start looking at the finances involved, and how much the guy can motivate his team to play, will the players go through brick walls?

It sure looked like they were motivated when they gave us a footballing lesson at Goodison!

His free signings matched that City team man for man. He said he sent them out to play without fear : "Sin Miedo. It means "without fear" in English and is the underlying principle Roberto Martinez applies to football.

Something that has been lacking for the past 11 years if you ask me.

Iain Johnston
245 Posted 28/05/2013 at 13:01:50

Martinez is talking to Whelan about now to give him his decision.

Another point, I live in South West Wales, the media have said Laudrup is staying at Swansea. He's not happy, he hasn't spoken to Jenkins face to face since their final game. Many think he is on his way.

Mike Rourke
249 Posted 28/05/2013 at 13:12:26

It feels good to know that the relegated manager of Wigan is at lunch umming and ahhing over whether or not he deigns the Everton job worthy of him...sorry I meant it feels shit.

All this ( justified ) hoo-haa over the crest is allowing this sorry situation to come to pass almost without comment.

Damn you Everton!

Andrew Ellams
253 Posted 28/05/2013 at 13:21:02

I reckon it's a tough call for Martinez to leave Wigan under any circumstances. He had a close affiliation with the club and holds a place close to his heart so maybe part of him would like the chance to fix what went wrong.

If we went down, we would be screaming for somebody who has Everton in his heart to bring us back.

Iain Johnston
256 Posted 28/05/2013 at 13:19:25

Just seen Martinez prem stats on SSN. He has a win percentage of 25%!. Highest finish is 15th. If he resigns he wont cost BK any compensation either. I'm worried, I don't want him here
The audacity of these blokes is amazing. Moyes, Martinez, Laudrup. They've all had a go of holding the respective clubs to ransom.

MARTINEZ IS LEAVING WIGAN OFFICIAL

Barry Roberts
260 Posted 28/05/2013 at 13:28:32

Martinez has quit wigan. Seems obvious what happens now.

Shane Corcoran
289 Posted 28/05/2013 at 14:08:36

Iain, Whelan has stated that whoever takes him must pay the last year of his contract.