Pereira remains in the running for EFC post

For every Mourinho and Wenger there is a Juande Ramos or Jacques Santini or even Christian Gross. Hmm, bit of a Spurs thing developing here

I will nail my colours to the mast, I am pro Martinez, but my ideal candidate would have probably been Lambert had he not have left last year. I liked him at Norwich and think he is building something good at Villa. I will say this quietly but I was also hoping that Benitez may have opted for us rather than leaving his family to go to Italy.

Spurs fans seem chuffed with AVB.

Porto's managerial production line is worth taking a gamble on.

Especially when the alternative is the relegated manager of Wigan.

There is nobody out there who can guarantee us anything.

Trophies, league position, avoiding relegation, Europe etc.

Nobody.

Repeat, NOBODY.

There are enough examples out there of managers who have succeeded then failed.

And there are enough examples out there of managers who have failed then succeeded.

This tells us, to a degree, it's all a bit of a lottery.

Consequently, when managers plus/minus points are being discussed and I see "This plus that plus the other will give us those" I just think 'good luck with that'.

Football (like life) simply doesn't work that way.

Could be the Portugese Neil Lennon and if he's so great, why is he available ?

This over-critical stuff is easy.

I suppose you could ask the same question of the following:

Rafael Benitez
David Moyes
Jose Mourinho

If they are so great, why are they available?

I suppose it is all down to circumstance.

I agree that there are no guarantees.

However, football (like life) is all about probability. For example, if there was manager that had experience of managing clubs in the Premier League, with a similar wage bill to Everton's, and he'd won trophies and consistently finished in the Top 7, there would be a higher probability of him being successful at Everton than a candidate who had never won any silverware.

The problem for Bill Kenwright is that such a manager does not exist. However, some managers will have a higher probability of being successful at Everton than others. Vitor may not have experience of managing in the Premier League, but he has won trophies. Martinez has experience of managing a club with a lot less money than Everton, and he's won a trophy, but he's just been relegated from the Premier Laegue. Laudrup has won a trophy and finished in the top half of the Prem with a limited budget, but he may be a one-season-wonder etc etc. There are pros and cons to each manager, but it basically comes down to probability.

Personally, I just like the way Pereira talks about the game...high pressing, control of the ball and a compact midfield. An ability to create various patterns from the same basic formation and a liking for attractive, progressive football helps too.

He's a winner as well - okay, in a league with few great teams but he has finished above a very good Benfica side 2 years running and didn't lose a game this season until it didn't matter.

I'd be happy with taking the risk with an Everton bred number two by his side.

You're saying you wouldn't have considered either of them a few years ago?

Eh, who's that getting out of the Merc in Goodison Road - oh crap it's Tony Pulis!

More importantly they might want it, but it is unlikely that Pereira will want to surround himself with Moyes' men

Without money, we are destined only to 'overachieve' as the pundits like to remind us. Personally I think the league should be, dare I say it, 'americaniZed.' A playoff format at the end of the season would at least give me some hope at the start of the season. It's pretty shitty to start every season knowing that we CAN'T win the league.

My view is that more of our current squad would be content to see what Pereira offers than they would with Martinez. Plus quality players would be more interested in signing for Pereira. Of the two the Portuguese bloke is the clear winner to me.

I'm not a Martinez fan but we could really benefit from his learning curve. Getting relegated could be the best thing to happen to him and us.

Give him a good defence and maybe his attaking instincts make us a good team. Who knows? but there is a much higher risk with Pereira than even Mark hughes and I wouldn't have wanted Hughes for a second.

I think BK risks dropping gate receipts etc. if he doesn't do something at least a little bit 'marquee' but I guess we'll see.

Although I accept it's a difficult job to appoint the right manager, I still think this should've been sorted out sooner. DM's move to Man Utd on a six-year deal was clearly thrashed out over a few months so, if BK really didn't know what was going on behind his back, then more fool him.

When the manager has not signed a contract going into the last six months and with no clear intention of doing so, that should've triggered the search for a new manager — not after the last game of the season! These guys out of contract now won't hang around forever, and neither will players looking for a new club.

We have been without a manager now for almost a month and everyone except BK knew Moyes was jumping ship 6 months ago. Other clubs are already signing players for next season while Kenwright ponces about... I will tell you what would be spot on:

A chairman, once he knew his manager was leaving, would pick out a couple of names he wanted and go after the first one on his list. If that failed, then the second on the list... and so forth. Getiing the job done quickly and smoothly, like a pro.

What BK is doing is interviewing people and telling them, "We will let you know next week," as if it was for some shelf-stacking job in Tesco's...

Spot on — my arse! Look at how Man Utd conducted business over Moyes: all done in 48 hours. The longer this farce goes on, the more worried I become. In fact, it could be seen as an insult to some would-be managers for being put on the back burner. This whole charade wouldn't surprise me if Kenwright was waiting for Pip's answer once he has his badges. All the rest a PR exercise to appease the fans...

FFS — spot on?!?! Haven't you learned anything about BK in all these years??? The man's an idiot. If he wants Martinez, then give him the job; let him crack on and stop pissing about.

As for BK's "I got it right last time as regards to DM." — Didn't Walter Smith pick Moyes for him?

For me probability only really comes in to play at the very top and bottom of the spectrum.

In other words, your chances of success would (in all probability) be increased with Mourinho, Ferguson or Bob Paisley and your chances of failure increased with Claude Anelka, Jim Fallon or Alan Ball.

But a top manager we DEFINITELY won't be getting and (hopefully) not one from the opposite end of the spectrum either.

We will get a manager from 'somewhere in the middle' and that is why I believe we'll be dealing more with luck than probability.

Part of your post actually indicates this very well.

"Vitor may not have experience of managing in the Premier League, but he has won trophies. Martinez has experience of managing a club with a lot less money than Everton, and he's won a trophy, but he's just been relegated from the Premier Laegue. Laudrup has won a trophy and finished in the top half of the Prem with a limited budget, but he may be a one-season-wonder etc etc"

Exactly, I still can't pick one of those based on probability and see none of them offering me a definite anything.

So I'd choose Pereira.

Why?

I read a piece on him that indicated he felt the game should be played the same way I think it should be played.

I know, ridiculous - and I completely understand, if he were to get the job, he's as much chance of failure as he does of success.

But same with Martinez...or Laudrup...or Lennon...or..

There are some things you can guarantee in life, however. Some of our colleagues here on ToffeeWeb are guaranteed absolutely to respond in certain ways to certain set stimulii.

In the group stage they beat PSG 1-0 at home and lost 2-1 away. They qualified with no other defeats.

In the knock out stage they lost 2-1 on aggregate to Malaga (who, in the quarters were seconds away from dumping Dortmund out). They were 1-0 up after their home leg and lost 2-0 in the away leg, in which their main playmaker Moutinho went off injured at half time and they had a defender send off just after half time.

Whoever else BK is listening to I don’t believe he would ignore those kinds of numbers.

I think he is only too well aware that there's a lot riding on this appointment for him personally. It’s not as if he needs to cough up big money as has been the case with other projects which have failed to materialise.

All he has to do to come up smelling of roses is pick someone who features strongly on that list which essentially means one of the top three. Laudrup – 22%; Martinez – 16%; and Pereira -13 % and he can’t fail. Where he’s let us down before is where he’s needed to find cash for a project and, as we all know, he hasn’t achieved it.

Slaven Bilic was 4th in the poll with 7% and Bielsa didn’t even feature. He would need very strong reasons to move away from anyone not in the top three. I don’t believe he would be prepared to risk the mass of opprobrium which would come down on his head if he did.

I reckon Laudrup is a non starter purely for the fact that there is not sufficient evidence to guarantee that he would that much (if at all) better than the other two to justify paying Swansea £10M compo. Nor does he appear to want to move or, more importantly, want to move to us.

I’ve done a quick trawl of other fan/football sites who have polled supporters over past few weeks with the following results:

Vitalfootball – 60% No to an internal appointment

NSNO – Pereira 60%; Laudrup 13%; Martinez 12%

There may be others but I didn’t find them and I expect they’d all be relatively similar.

So if you were Kenwright what would you do? Invite months or possibly years of hassle or give the fans what they want, bearing in mind what they want is an eminently sensible wish. I know what I’d do. So put simply my money’s on Pereira or Martinez, with Martinez maybe just nudging it.

- are Everton really for sale?
- DK
- the MOB
- Bill and the Boys' pen
- Margaret Thatcher
- Phil Neville

Not because I have anything against Martinez, just because the question was "would you be HAPPY with Roberto Martinez". I would not.

If the question was "would you be CONTENT..." Then it would have been a Yes.

Point is, am I excited by the prospect? No. And to me that's the nub of it.

Compared to Pereira (who I'll freely admit to knowing virtually zip about, except what I've read on here) I am not EXCITED by the prospect of Martinez.

The Moyes era left me stone cold bored except for a few patches, but to his great credit, he left a solid base to work from.

I have no faith that anyone could do a better job of 'being David Moyes' - so the ONLY option is risk, else stagnation at best is guaranteed.

And while many might not fancy it, I am hungry for risk, and the more the better _ because it implies CHANGE, which holds hope of PROGRESS.

Without radical change the best we can hope for is stability and 6th to 8th every year.

The foundation is SO solid, there's NO CHANCE of disaster - so let's please have a fucking go at it.

If it fails, Okay, we take our lumps and bruises - and your Stubbs, Weirs and O'Neills of this world will still be there in a year or two if we have to revert to KITAP1

Pereira plus his trainer, plus any one of Nev, Weir or Stubbsy would be ace.

Martinez plus same would do.

It all depends on Bill's risk appetite:

Weir etc: Zero Risk, Zero reward
Martinez: Medium / Medium
Pereira: High / High...

I hope Bill's sense of drama and romance will win over his doubts and the little voices urging safety and caution...

He will be forgiven a brave mistake if it turns out bad, but won't survive a lame one.

I say Fucking go for it Billy - let NSNO guide you.

After the England debacle last night you wonder about a British manager. If that is really the best we can do, tactically and practically, then we look to have fallen so far behind the rest of the world. The Premiership sold itself to Sky and English football along with it. I am really beginning to wonder whether Moyes isn’t going to struggle. Maybe this will all work out for the best for us.

Think we could do with someone from that team at GP. We could be debt free in a couple of years.

Any thoughts on which person to persuade to come to GP?

Reminds me lf the movie Sophie's Choice.

Well I hope he's not listening to those fans he consulted in choosing the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse logo.

Not ridiculous at all, as a fan who pays to watch the games it is probably the best way to chose.

I guess I can agree with you once a year.

I'd love to see Duncan as No.2 and Big Nev as goalkeeping coach - both utter legends.

Which chairman worth his salt would appoint someone to the most important position in his club to on the result of a popularity poll on a fans `website?
And which website would he choose? The one that came up with the name he was minded to appoint or the one in which the favoured choice was someone he`d never heard of? I ask you ?

BK`s job is to do the research and then appoint the person he -and technically his Board- feels ticks all or most of the boxes Not to hide behind the cock-eyed views of people like us on here.

Stubbs,Weir,Martinez orPerreira ? I just hope he listens to what we have to say on them and then comes up with somebody we`ve never thought of.

That`s what he did last time and it worked ,didn`t it?

Surely Pereiro is a must???

Martinez has his merits but he is not developed enough for our great club. 6 wins a season doesn't cut it. Then Bielsa, he's good but watch his Chile team play A mouth watering Spain 2011. Great pressing game, massive work rate but looked like headless chickens.

Pereira was with AVB almost every step of the way, THEY won leagues and trophies and with AVB gone he, Pereira, under pressure continued to maintain form just as he did when each season his best players were sold.

Another thread on here demonstrated that non-Brit coaches without PL experience had a 67% success rate so I'd take the risk. I don't think our style is a million miles off his so he's a good fit. A pressing high tempo, well drilled approach that Baines, Coleman and Fellaini would revel in. Mirallas, Oviedo, Jelavic, Barkley, McAleny, Vellios, Pienaar and Gibo would be in their element. And me, well I'd just luv it, luv it!

I also posted a mailbag item that never saw light of day comparing the decision making process by BK and his chums to the interview scene in an old 80s comedy Hollywood Shuffle where they ask a load of black guys they want to find another Eddie Murphy with tat like they need to be Murphesque, it could be the same looking for Moyesesque - http://m.youtube.com/results?q=hollywood%20shuffle%20auditions#/watch?v=4l4PlS6E-QY