Where's the Pivot Pointing?

There was a back bone and a hardworking attitude which usually would get results when we were in the shit. Sadly that never helped us much against the big teams but in those ’6 pointers’ Everton usually found enough grit to get a result. Especially at Goodison.

I do have concerns that Roberto isn’t able to organise or find that fighting spirit in the dressing room.

We probably can’t better the money they are on and one look at the way we are playing and our league position would have any player running for the hills.

We do not hold a the big club " kudos" some on here think we have anymore.

Liverpool are shite and the atmosphere is like a morgue, the derbies not far off and if we get another kicking off this lot...

If I were Mr. Martinez, I would be offering Petr Cech whatever he wants, and I would also have Distin benched for the rest of the season. Cech is not only the calibre of Â’keeper who can win you games, he can win you a trophy.

Take our individual errors down to a normal level, and we would easily be another 6 points better off - if not more.

We need a different manager to buy players as this one ainÂ’t working. The guy really does talk a good game full of weirding words that has swayed Lovey Bill.

BillÂ’s question rather than "can you get me Champions League Football" should have been, "What went wrong at Wigan?"

Has RM been told to recoup some of the money he spent in the summer? Is the proposed new stadium requiring an up front payment that can only come from selling some of our star players? January 2015 could be a very Â’pivotalÂ’ month in the history of Everton FC and if the Howard reports are correct we will have to buy a quality goalkeeper which will mean BK will have to spend money, which he doesnÂ’t like doing at that time of the year.

Andrew not that Wigan nonsense again, 1st they were poor players, Jesus couldnÂ’t keep Wigan in the Prem for long, if they got a good player and they wanted to leave to a bigger club Whelan let them go.

Lets face it weÂ’ve got the same problem but to a lesser degree, you wouldnÂ’t expect Louis Hamilton to win a Grand Pre driving a Ford Focus!

Plenty of our players are average Prem quality at best IÂ’m afraid + although thereÂ’s 4 or 5 quality players inherited from Moyes he also left the same number of over the hill players that weÂ’re going have to replace somehow.

Same old problem, money.

I also think we miss Alan Stubbs. I believe he was important in organize the defence.

Kevin (10), Howard may well be letting in 47% of on target shots this season but our keeper on Sunday let in 75%!

One other point, I don't think we have enough leaders on the pitch. I never thought Jagielka should be captain - he doesn't give off the right vibe to me. Probably can't remove it from him now, but the likes of McCarthy and Barry seem to be the only outfield players we have with any leadership qualities about them.

I don’t see any point in spending money we haven’t got on an average centre half; I would

(a) Give Browning, Galloway some games – yes they may make mistakes – but so do older, experienced players

(b) Drop Barry back – he reads the game the well, can tackle & pass & playing him at the back would leave room to slot more dynamic players – Besic or maybe Barkley to slot in next to McCarthy.

Blooding players that you haven't seen play is annoying and wreaks of Football Manager tactics. I have in recent weeks seen the clamour for Browning and Garbutt to be starting but in reality have people even seen them play that much, opinion is formed on hearsay. Yes Browning did have two nice cameos in big games, but in the Sunderland under 21 game he looked out of sorts and against Krasnador didn't look that great.

Garbutt did okay against Newcastle, I think the clamour for him is just he can cross a ball and injects pace, but he didn't do anything breathtaking for me. I saw him against Tranmere in pre-season and he got rinsed. Whilst both do have potential, I think its unrealistic to think they will both come in and start games. If so, surely Browning would have started in his natural position of CB in the last few weeks, instead of playing the 37 year old Distin for 9 games in a row.

Before Colin's comment above, you have to go back over 1,000 comments before you can find one even suggesting he should start.

I also disagree with the claim that opinion on these players is formed on hearsay. They've both played this season, and most of us can develop an initial impression using our own eyesight without resorting to hearsay.

They are both young players: we are told repeatedly young players do not perform consistently. But to my jaundiced eye these two have excellent potential... and need to be given playing opportunities to bring them along.

As for Fabianski, he only moved to Swansea in the summer and is having the best season of his life, his long-cherished dream of being first-choice keeper. Swansea are above us in the table.

Let's be realistic.

I think if we are to act in the window, a lot of players, if they had to choose between us and a couple of other clubs, would at the moment steer away from Goodison. Sad times for our club, these.