Who could replace Roberto Martinez at Everton?
With a second successive season of failure about to be consigned to the history books, Roberto Martinez's future at Everton is squarely under the microscope. A look at some potential candidates whom the club could look at if he is dismissed in the coming weeks.
With a second successive season of failure about to be consigned to the history books, Roberto Martinez's future at Everton is squarely under the microscope with all the anecdotal evidence and that provided by online polls and the mood on fan websites and social media suggesting that the majority of Evertonians feel his time is up.
Such is the Catalan's faith in his own ability and philosophy, he no doubt remains convinced that he can eventually turn things around and is, therefore, unlikely to fall on his sword. That will put the onus on Chairman Bill Kenwright, the Board of Directors and, most likely, new shareholder Farhad Moshiri to analyse the situation and make a decision on how the club should proceed.
If, as seems only logical at this stage, they opt to dismiss Martinez, either in the short-term or at the end of the season, the question of who replaces him becomes one of vital importance. With that in mind, it's almost certain that a shortlist already exists in someone's mind, but who could conceivably be on it and what is the likelihood the Blues could get their top choice?
Moshiri's promised investment could be game-changing for Everton in terms of the calibre of manager they could entice to Goodison Park and the financial resources they could put behind him. Whereas the club has had to promote from within, import candidates from Scotland, or take a chance on an up-and-coming manager from a smaller club, this could be the first time in a long time that the Blues could have a realistic shot at bringing in a proven winner.
ToffeeWeb takes a look at some of the potential candidates.
"The Moon Shots"
Diego Simeone
Neck and neck with Barcelona in La Liga, through to the semi-finals of the Champions League and guaranteed to be on the European gravy train next season, there is no earthly reason why the Argentine would jump the Rojiblanco ship for Goodison Park. Not unless he genuinely likes a challenge and there are precious few among the game's top managers who would willingly take a step down to prove something. And you've got to think that if he harboured any desire to come to the Premier League any time soon, Chelsea would have nabbed him ahead of Antonio Conte.
Nevertheless, Simeone's unmistakable passion, inspirational take-no-crap persona and attention to defensive solidity, all combined with Latin American roots and Continental experience, would make him an ideal candidate for Everton, much like his former international team-mate Mauricio Pochettino is proving to be for Tottenham. We can but dream…
Jose Mourinho
By no means everyone's cup of tea, there are plenty of Evertonians who were so turned off by his arrogance in front of the media and his role in the Eva Carneiro controversy that they wouldn't want him anywhere near Goodison Park. Then there's the fact that, just as seems to be happening to Roberto Martinez, the Portuguese was sacked by Chelsea after a very obvious falling out with his players — the quintessential loss of the dressing room — not to mention his “third season” handicap.
Mourinho is a proven winner, though, has shown himself to be a master tactician at times — as Liverpool FC know all too well — and any association with Everton would markedly improve the club's stature in the eyes of the world's media. You can't escape the feeling, however, that it would be short, controversial and not not conducive to long-term stability.
Thomas Tuchel
In the process of building something special at Borussia Dortmund, Tuchel was put forward by a few Everton fans familiar with the Bundesliga as a potential successor to David Moyes when he was still at Mainz. Anyone who watched his team dismantle Tottenham so effectively in the Europa League will have seen how well he has moved BVB on from Jà¼rgen Klopp's work and the feeling there is they have found the man to “build a dynasty” at the Westfalenstadion.
An exponent of playing football the right way who is on course for the Champions League with Die Schwarzgelben there's little prospect he could be tempted to Everton. Besides, he already has one Anfield collapse on his CV; hardly the best qualification for a Toffees boss!
"The Attainables"
Frank de Boer
The younger of the Dutch twins crops up in connection with most Premier League vacancies these days and was talked about as a candidate to take over at the likes of Newcastle United, Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur in recent years. In terms of footballing pedigree, they don't come much better. Capped 112 times by the Netherlands, he spent a decade as a player at Ajax Amsterdam before moving on to Barcelona where he also played with his brother, Ronald, making close to 150 appearances.
As a manager, De Boer is regarded as one of the best European coaches yet to be tested at the top level. He was assistant manager under Phillip Cocu at the 2010 World Cup but it is back at Ajax where he has been cutting his managerial teeth winning four successive Eredivisie titles, a first for the Dutch league, and is two games away from winning a fifth championship in six years if he can stave off the challenge of last season's winners PSV Eindhoven.
He turned down the Anfield gig three years ago but could now be ready to make the leap to the Premier League but the doubters will cite the weakness of the Eredivisie as the biggest knock against De Boer: even Steve McLaren won the title there! Nevertheless, his success has come about as a result of overcoming the need to rely heavily on youth at Ajax due to the club's lack of financial clout.
Ronald Koeman
The Dutch have a fine reputation when it comes to managers and Koeman, another footballing brother from Holland who played for Barca, is forging an impressive career as a manager, following up five stints in the Eredevisie with Vitesse, Ajax, AZ Alkmaar, PSV and Feyenoord with a move to Southampton to succeed Pochettino at St Mary's Stadium.
Although he arrived at Southampton on the back of another exodus of talent, most of it to Liverpool again, Koeman bought wisely, picking up game-changing players like Dusan Tadic for modest fees and steered the south coast club to the Europa League in his first season.
The Saints were eliminated early and experienced a mid-term wobble this season that suggested the bloom had come off Koeman's rose a little but, unlike Martinez in 2014-15, he has managed to steady the ship and they are in contention for Europe again this time around.
The blend of flair, physique and defensive prowess he is creating at Southampton are just the kinds of qualities that Evertonian admirers see in him and it's not hard to envision what he might be able to do with the talent that exists at Everton. He is yet to sign a new contract at St Mary's, with his current deal set to expire next year, which could be a sign that he is hedging on a bigger appointment coming his way but many see his medium-term future at a bigger club on the Continent.
The fly in this particular ointment? His assistant is “fat, round and bounces on the ground”. Yes, Sammy Lee.
Manuel Pellegrini
He has already won the League Cup and could yet win the Champions League but the Chilean will still be out of a job this summer. That has made him a staple for any conversation about a potential successor to Martinez even though it seems far more likely that he will return to Spain, possibly with manager-less Valencia.
Given that he is already in the northwest and now has plenty of experience with the Premier League, a move to Everton where there could be the promise of a sizeable budget and, if you believe the media, a couple of his former transfer targets already in place in the form of Ross Barkley and John Stones could be tempting. But not, perhaps, as much as La Liga…
Critics of Pellegrini, however, point to his profligacy with cash at City — the colossal expenditure on Eliaquim Mangala and Raheem Sterling, two signings who together cost getting on for £90m but have failed to set the Etihad alight. Couple that with his team's suspect defence and, at times, questionable mentality and you get the feeling he would just be a more successful Martinez who would struggle without an open chequebook and a massive budget.
Roberto Mancini
The former City boss, popular among Blues because of the success Everton teams enjoyed against his teams when he was in Manchester, is back at Internazionale for a second spell after serving just a year of a three-year contract at Galatasaray. Inter sit fourth in Serie A, exactly where they finished in 2014-15 and the season before that.
Mancini would bring knowledge of the English game and some much-needed emphasis on shoring up the back as a foundation for winning tight games but the manner in which his relationship with players and staff at City deteriorated before his team lost the 2013 FA Cup Final to Wigan and he was sacked will not inspire much confidence that he would be the right fit at Goodison.
Unai Emery
Back-to-back Europa League titles and on course for a possible treble, Emery has been unable to translate success in the European competition into a successful assault on the top four in La Liga, largely because the Andalusian club still operates on a footing of selling its best players to remain competitive.
Raised as a potential successor to Jose Mourinho at Chelsea and reportedly in the frame for the West Ham job before Slaven Bilic's appointment, Emery has been credited with a studious outlook on the game combined with a tough streak and considerable man-management skills. Gerard Deulofeu might disagree based on his negative experience playing under him in the 2014-15 season but the Spanish winger's experience back at Everton this terms suggests that he needs more long-term attention than a year-long loan can provide.
Whatever happens in the Europa League this season, Emery could be ready to try and fresh challenge so it would not be a surprise if he were linked should a vacancy open up at Everton this summer.
Marcelo Bielsa
If you believe the press, the Argentine's people have already been drumming up talk of him being approached by Everton to get his name out there so he looks to be in the market for his next gig after a strange stint at Marseille where he quit after the first game of the 2015-16 season citing disagreements with the French club's board. He's not nicknamed El Loco for nothing.
His stock in the world game is high, though, and Bielsa counts the likes of Pep Guardiola and Spurs' Pochettino among his biggest admirers, mostly for what he achieved as manager of the Chilean national team and Athletic Bilbao where he narrowly missed out on a Europa League and Spanish cup double. Regarded as something of a master tactician, with the 3-3-3-1 formation at the root of his philosophy, he would bring something very different to Goodison from past Everton managers.
The language barrier has been cited as a potential stumbling block — he doesn't speak English — but that didn't stop Pochettino who is now virtually fluent and on a roll now at White Hart Lane in his second season in charge.
Rafael Benitez
It's surprising how many Evertonians would consider the Spaniard as a potential Everton boss given his former association with Liverpool and “small club” jibe at the Blues while he was at Anfield. Perhaps his time with Real Madrid and the passage of a good amount of water under the bridge has lessened the ill feeling towards him.
Benitez signed a three-year contract with Newcastle when he succeeded McClaren recently but if he fails to keep the Magpies in the Premier League this season — not in itself a glowing recommendation, particularly given Everton's experience with the last manager they hired immediately following relegation — he could have exit clauses that would allow him a route back into the top flight or back to another post abroad.
Lucien Favre
[Added post-publication based on comments below.] The Swiss attracted much attention for the manner in which he reversed the fortunes of Borussia Mà¶nchengladbach between 2011 and 2015, taking them from rock bottom of the Bundesliga when he took over to Champions League qualification a year ago.
He didn't get to see through Die Fohlen's campaign in Europe, however, as he resigned as manager in September last year after losing all five of the first league games of the 2015-16 season. As such, he is currently unemployed.
Favre's coaching philosophy is described on his Wikipedia entry as favouring “dynamic, quick and attack-minded football where ball possession and change of tempo alternate. Favre is also well known for his ability to develop talented young players and introduce them into the first team.”
"The Unlikely Lads"
Guus Hiddink
Another experienced, well-travelled manager who will be out of a job this summer, Hiddink is mentioned frequently whenever the topic of replacing Martinez comes up. Two reasonably successful stand-in jobs at Chelsea — he won the FA Cup first time around and led an impressive surge back into the top half of the Premier League this time but has seen his fortunes stagnate a little of late, with the Londoners exiting the Champions League at the hands of PSG.
He also oversaw the Netherlands' awful start to their Euro2016 qualifying campaign, one riven by unrest in the camp which, again, would cast doubt on his ability to properly mend any serious breakdown in morale at Everton.
In any case, Hiddink has openly said that he will probably retire after he steps down at Chelsea this summer, rendering much discussion about him moot.
Andre Villas-Boas
In contrast to the drawn-out decline of the Martinez era, Villas-Boas was given surprisingly short shrift by Daniel Levy at Tottenham, sacking him just 14 months into the job with Spurs sitting in 7th in the Premier League and with a 100% record in the Europa League group phase. While his season with Chelsea was underwhelming, he left White Hart Lane with Tottenham's highest win percentage of the Premier League era, one no doubt bettered this season by Mauricio Pochettino.
Having steered Zenit St Petersburg into the Champions League in his first season and won the Russian League in his second, Villas-Boas announced that he would be returning to Portugal for the sake of his family. It has also been said that he harbours no desire at this stage to manage again in England. So, while he would be attainable by Everton given his previous experience in the Premier League, it doesn't look as though Villas-Boas would be an option.
Roberto di Matteo
If ever a manager's experience exemplified the lack of patience at Chelsea under Roman Abramovich, di Matteo's surely did. The Italian won the FA Cup and the Champions League in 2012 as one of the London club's many temporary managers over the years but was sacked just a few months after he was given the job on a permanent basis.
His solitary season as manager after that at Schalke 04 was less successful and he resigned last May after failing to make the Champions League. Another Roberto with just cup success and a limited track record in the Premier League? Perhaps not.
Michael Laudrup
The Dane was high on the list of potential candidates to replace Moyes three years ago, more perhaps for his pedigree, eye for a player, and the style of football he advocates than his record at Swansea. He was dismissed by the Swans with the club sitting just above the relegation zone which hardly inspires confidence in his ability to lift Everton back to where the club wants to be.
Since leaving the Liberty Stadium, he had a successful season in Qatar with Lekhwiya where he won the league and cup double but elected not to stay on and is currently out of the game.
Gary Neville
As an assistant to Roy Hodgson in the England setup and arguably the most respected pundit on Sky Sports, the elder Neville brother built up tremendous cachet but it didn't translate to success in La Liga with Valencia where he survived 29 games before being sacked earlier this season.
Whether his knowledge of the game would be better employed back in the Premier League remains to be seen but in their position Everton can't afford to take a punt on an unknown quantity. Plus, there's unlikely to be much enthusiasm for his brother returning to Goodison Park given how closely he us associated with the dour David Moyes regime.
"The Up-and-Comers"
Eddie Howe
One of the more highly-regarded young managers in England, Howe is favoured by some Evertonians as much for the fact that he has admitted to being a boyhood fan of the Blues as for the impressive work he has done at Bournemouth. The 38-year-old guided them up the league ladder and into the top flight last year and has since defied a potentially crippling series of injuries to key players and the massive odds stacked against his small club to achieve almost certain safety from relegation.
Without access to top-quality players, it's hard to determine what brand of football Howe would implement at a club like Everton but his desire to manage his clubs from top-to-bottom, his generally positive outlook and motivational instincts would stand him in good stead. Pleasingly to Evertonian ears, he prefers fast-tempo football with a pass-and-move ethos.
Howe has extensive experience managing at all levels of the English game but his brief stint at Burnley was curtailed in part because of his desire to return to the south for family reasons. That could preclude him coming to Merseyside should he end up on Everton's shortlist but his lack of top-level experience and any proven success should rule him out of the running.
Sean Dyche
Another name that frequently comes up is that of the current Burnley boss who is trying to steer the Clarets back to the Premier League again following their relegation last season. In that sense and as a coach with no demonstrable success, he arguably deserves less consideration than Eddie Howe whose Cherries side currently sits in 12th place in the top flight this season, comfortably clear of the drop zone.
Aitor Karanka
Notable for this stint as assistant manager at Real Madrid for whom he also made 93 appearances, Karanka has been at the helm at the Riverside for the last three years.
His Middlesbrough side are being pushed all the way by Burnley and Brighton for the automatic promotion slots this season but the Spaniard started turning heads earlier this season due to his side's impressive defensive record in the Championship and their League Cup victory over Louis van Gaal's Manchester United on penalties in October.
The similarities with Roberto Martinez might be far too unsettlingly uncanny for Evertonians, however. Like the current incumbent of the Goodison hotseat, Karanka is 42, Spanish, and was appointed to his present gig in 2013. As if that weren't enough, he has also been criticised recently for his rigid adherence to a particular footballing philosophy following a row with his players after which he was temporarily suspended from his position. His reaction to the criticism: “I don't think I am the problem. I've been here two years and, with my way, the team is improving. I don't think I have to change.” Sound familiar?
Dennis Bergkamp
Given his genius as a player, you almost feel that it's a given that the ex-Holland star will become a top-class manager. Things don't always work out like that and Everton aren't really in the position where they could take a flyer on a novice no matter how glittering his pedigree.
Bergkamp is currently cutting his teeth as Frank de Boer's assistant at Ajax and you would think he has his eye on eventually replacing his former international team-mate if and when he moves on to pastures new.
"The Oh-Please-Nos"
David Moyes
While he remains unemployed, the former Everton boss will always be mentioned in connection with any vacancy at Goodison Park, as if Evertonians would be so desperate for another era of familiar but unspectacular and barren consistency that they couldn't wait to get him back in.
Over 11 years, Moyes's tenure ran its course and it was clear he had taken the team as far as he could long before he eventually left. By the time he did, many behind the scenes at Goodison and Finch Farm couldn't wait to see the back of him and Martinez's sunny optimism was seen as breath of fresh air when he arrived in 2013. They say “never go back” and that applies here. The Moyes era was just what we needed when he came but we need to aim higher now. Just say no.
Mark Hughes
One more name that constantly comes up although it's hard to know why. He failed to achieve anything at Manchester City and hasn't set the world alight at any of the other clubs he has managed either. Despite overseeing Stoke's best squad of the Premier League era, Hughes is struggling to keep the Potters above Everton in the table with a defence even more porous than Martinez's.
There is a list of other names that frequently get tossed around that also deserve to be on this list like Neil Lennon, Paul Lambert and Martin O'Neill as well as past flavours of the month who aren't worth considering until they've achieved something like Quique Flores.
The Ex-Blues
Whether it be because they're gaining valuable experience away from Goodison — and doing fairly well in some cases — or purely because of the impulse to get Evertonian back into the hotseat, a number of ex-players are routinely put forward as managerial candidates for the Blues.
Alan Stubbs and David Weir in Scotland as manager with Hibs and assistant boss at Rangers respectively but few feel that the weaker Scottish league is any indication of future success in the English Premier League.
There are options currently working at Finch Farm, too, of course, but, again none apart from Joe Royle have high-level experience and he would fall under the “never go back” category. Duncan Ferguson, David Unsworth and Kevin Sheedy all have a fair way to go before they could be considered ready for the big job at Everton and would probably need to go get full managerial experience away from the club first.
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2 Posted 25/04/2016 at 07:24:13
Apart from the obvious reasons I don't see how he can repair the fractured relationship with the fans. That being the case, here is who I think is on the short list to replace him?
Duncan Ferguson. This is a man who knows the club inside out, who is in a great position to bring in the younger players and who has the respect of the squad who need to be given some lessons in commitment. At the least he should be given a change as interim manager.
Roberto Mancini. He left Manchester City with a lot of business left unfinished. He is a great build-from-the-back tactician who can attract big name players. He may welcome another shot at the Premier League with a club that now has some money to spend.
Julen Lopetgui. He managed Porto and is currently available. He has a great win average as manager – some 74% - and 2.5 points per game over 78 matches. He was fired from Porto after – get this – a three game losing streak. A Premier League challenge is his next obvious step up in his career.
Marc Wilmots. The current manager of the Belgian national side is expected to look for a club to manage after Euro 2016.
Denis Bergkamp. Frank de Boer isn't going anywhere but Bergkamp is ripe to make the step up to the Premier League.
3 Posted 25/04/2016 at 07:40:25
Made his name first at Almeria and then to Valencia, who although were a big La Liga name, were nigh on bankrupt amd had to be bailed out by the regional government.
Went on to Russia where he did a good job and then to Seville, the results speak for themselves. His teams defend well and always score goals.
4 Posted 25/04/2016 at 07:45:30
When the press heard from a player that the national team hadn't practiced set-pieces at all in the last year, they couldn't believe their ears and questioned Wilmots about it. He admitted not training on set-pieces and said the risk of injuries was too high...
I wouldn't touch Wilmots with a barge pole.
5 Posted 25/04/2016 at 07:46:03
Were Kenwright not so keen on keeping Roberto, Howe would fit his usual criteria of young and initially dead cheap!
6 Posted 25/04/2016 at 07:50:01
He has to bring through youth and with star Quality back room, He could bring big names.
Seems win win for me.
Still need Martinez Gone first, I have seen posts on Social Media calling for a Protest on Saturday if Martinez is still in charge.
8 Posted 25/04/2016 at 07:56:13
I don't think Howe should be in the running at all – he would, in my opinion, be a low-risk and unimaginative appointment, the kind we would have made years ago when we had no money.
9 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:05:52
Or if we going Dutch then why not Phillip Cocu? Doing great as manager of PSV and a former Barcelona captain so would be able to attract players as well as command the respect of the dressing room.
10 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:10:18
He is also an accomplished master of the "dark arts" and will instill a sense of belief among the squad. Don't know what's not to like really. It would be a positive statement of intent as opposed to taking a punt with the likes of Howe (no disrespect to him).
First things first though, we have to get rid of the present incumbent.
11 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:10:25
It would not surprise me if something similar happens with the manager's position.
12 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:28:01
13 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:31:42
I'm probably far too influenced by the views of a Burnley director mate who classes his appointment as the worst his club have made!
14 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:32:14
15 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:37:06
16 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:37:55
I currently have no clear favourite candidate, but as John @ #6 points out De Boer and his backroom would be a very compelling crew for me.
17 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:39:25
18 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:44:56
Duncan is a big gamble.
Pellegrino has ability would do a decent job.
Koeman possibly a good choice
Most of the others maybe not managed in the premier league.
Mancini has Won Premier league and manager of the year, therefore that is where my recommendation is.
19 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:54:24
Of course changing the manager is not the only issue this summer. The so called best squad in the last thirty years needs a major overhaul. That must start this summer with all the players over thirty jettisoned and at least seven new signings. So there is a lot to be done but there is an opportunity for the new man to build a dynasty.
20 Posted 25/04/2016 at 08:55:52
As for all Kenwright's shortcomings as TW polls show, Martinez was a popular choice at the time.
21 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:06:45
Small club thinking for far too long has brought us to where we are. Consequently we really should (sadly) rule out every single home grown candidate as being "tainted by association".
As Villa begin their descent beyond the horizon, they are suddenly relabelled as a big or even massive club. Then clearly Everton have not actually become a small, nor even a medium club.
Big club mindset is required now as anything less will saddle us with another "nearly man".
A swift glance at Villa's demise, then a hard look at the top of the table clearly proves the benefits of taking ambitious action and commiting to it.
22 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:06:47
(Also known as "Niasse")
23 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:13:32
Cillesen (Howard replacement), van Rhijn (Coleman competition), Veltman (CB-don't want to say Stones replacement), Bazoer (holding midfield/Barry replacement), Fischer (Pienaar/Osman replacement), Klaassen (Barkley competition) and Milik (Rom replacement).
All under 24 apart from Cillesen who's a great age for a keeper at 27. Great young manager and big name coaching staff with a "phenominal" group of young talent as well.
And then I woke up. As you can probably tell, I watch a bit of Eredivisie and Ajax are a technically sound, fluid attacking football team built on a solid defensive base. Just what we need but obviously not what's going to happen.
24 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:20:52
I don't understand why Benitez is being mentioned, steeped to win against Milan, and has done anything much since, sacked at Inter and Madrid.
25 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:27:54
My bet at the moment is Kenwright will stick with our present manager just like he remembers Carter backing underfire Kendall and he will be hoping he gets lucky and replicates the rewards we got after that move. This time, we have the Moshiri millions to come into play.
Interesting times indeed.
UP THE BLUES
26 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:34:34
We have never appointed a man at the top of the tree, so cant see them starting now. Even our most successful manager came from 2nd Division Blackburn. Moyes came from 2nd Division Preston. Walker had one good season with Norwich but was never equipped or proven to manage Everton. Also, Martinez came from a team who had just been relegated.
So expect someone like Eddie Howe another whose defensive record is nearly as bad as Martinez.
We will now see how ambitious Moshiri is going to be, this next appointment could define our club for many seasons to come.
27 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:38:43
like the idea of De boer and Cocu who someone mentioned.
I also think Rebrov could be an outside shout, doing good things at Kiev, knows the prem and might enable the signing of Yarmolenko. I think for Everton we won't attract the Simeone's of this world and need to catch the next great managers on their way up and Rebrov could be the man.
28 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:40:35
Would command respect of players and managers alike.
29 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:41:48
Duncan Ferguson
Eddie Howe
David Moyes
And any other small time manager with experience of fighting relegation or getting teams promoted, this is not what we are aiming for and usually you find these types of managers have limitations when it comes to getting over the line.
I'd also be wary of getting a manager with no Premier League experience which is why I wouldn't go for DeBoer either.
DeBoer could be great but it's too much of a risk and our next appointment needs to be a proven manager that you can guarantee will stand up to the demands.
The only managers from overseas we should be interested in are those from strong league's with a good track record, Marcelo Bielsa, Unai Emery for example.
Koeman would be my choice within reason.
I'd make the call just to hear what Mourinho had to say but I doubt it would happen.
I don't want any stupid risk like Phil Neville with Duncan Ferguson next to him either, not good enough.
This has to be the right move now, we have to make a real statement of intent.
30 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:51:11
I'd love to think the Board have their man in place & a swift change of manager is about to occur, allowing the new man a few matches to size up his squad & start making plans for the summer. However, if I trust my gut instinct, I have an underlying fear Martinez will not only remain in place until the end of the season but well into the next one. Sadly, I can't help but anticipate Martinez finally being shown the door somewhere between October & January, when it becomes blindingly obvious that we've carried on where we left off & will be, by then, seriously at risk of relegation.
This will, of course, leave the club scrambling to find a suitable & available replacement mid-season & present the new man with the prospect of a rescue job & after Martinez has spent any transfer kitty too!
A chance for Mr Moshiri to defy expectations & show he is the leader we've been waiting for. If he doesn't act soon, we'll know the worst nothing's really changed at Board level.
31 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:55:55
32 Posted 25/04/2016 at 09:57:10
Second choice should be Diego Simeone. Throw the chequebook at him.
He has consistently 'over-achieved' against what amounts to Government backed sides in Barca and Real, can spot players, and would be absolutely ideal for our needs. Our so called 𧴜m spending pot will be dwarfed by Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and possibly Arsenal, so instead of a loudmouth like Roberto showing the card-school his hand before the first bet, we need someone who can spend large, but shrewdly.
Diego, come on down. Over to you Mr Moshiri.
33 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:01:03
He has proved himself to be above average in the premiership, and hopefully with the right funds afforded to him. I believe would be at least a top four place at least manager.
He seems to have the the best of everything that's needed to succeed. Also he doesn't talk bullshit. Always tells it how it is.
34 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:11:17
Mourinho because he has knowledge of the premier league and is a winner.
This decision is going to be a big one and has to be made by Moshiri. Assuming, of course, there will be a decision to make.
35 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:11:20
Arsene Wenger
Moshiri knows him and may have some influence, he recruits very good players without spending extravagant amounts of money and is consistently fairly successful, plays attractive football, he seems to be out of favour with the Arsenal fans and may fancy a change.
The downside? Moshiri knows him and he may be one of the reasons Moshiri left Arsenal and wrote that letter criticizing the running of the club.
36 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:17:04
Wenger won't manage another English club, very much doubt he'll manage again full stop once he leaves Arsenal.
37 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:21:20
All of the above is based on the next appointment as the be-all and end-all.
However, what about a two-step approach as Man City did with Guardiola? They put in place all the pieces to attract their man as part of a 3 year plan, the length of his Bayern contract.
Everton do not have City's resources but they could deploy a similar strategy.
Identify a top target, eg Koeman, De Boer, Simeone. Find out under what circumstances they would join, eg New Stadium, back challenging for CL, war chest.
Establish time frame, eg 2 years.
Hire a manager with a clear remit and budget to push the squad back up to challenging for a top 4 place, and commence off the field activities simulataneously.
Pellegrini, Hiddink and Mancini would be an extremely good fits in such circumstances. All have shown an ability to make a strong impression in their first 1-2 years, although their ability to sustain success is not a strong point. Benitez would fit right in to this category but as with George Graham at Spurs, one has to question whether his affections for the RS would be conducive to the role.
The dismissal of in house candidates is baffling. Unsworth to me appears to have the tools - he is developing the U21s well and their results have been ok. Perhaps a 2 year apprenticeship alongside an older head, as United are trying to do with Giggs, could be an option?
38 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:21:37
There is zero chance of him coming here as if he did want an English paycheque he would be heading to City, United, Arsenal or Chelsea. Or else he would be at PSG, Juventus. He really could take his pick but will probably stay where he is happy and adored.
Mourinho there is marginally more chance of as he's available and wants to stay in England. If Man utd or PSG don't take him then there's a small chance he could fancy a project.
Out of all the likely managers it seems there are very few candidates who most people would be happy with. I like Pellegrini but can see how he is a version of Roberto. Bielsa is too much a risk. Howe is a Moyes mkII (i wouldn't mind but wouldn;'t be popular.) Benitez I actually think would be shrewd but would be divisive.
For me there are 2 choices from the list that stand out and seem to have the most support. The Dutchmen.
Koeman has done a very good job at Southampton and has built a new team that look solid but play well in a fairly short time. He has corrected things when it looked like they may be heading off course this season. He has bought well and has his team playing with consistency. Big tick. Would he come? That will depend hugely on what Moshiri can offer him and very little on our History as some blue-tinted fans seem to think. At the moment he has a good team that could be well placed to do a Leicester next season whereas we are a mess looking likely to lose our 'gems' so I think it will be a hard sell but not impossible.
The other candidate is De Boer with his impressive Dutch staff. More of a risk perhaps as he has not done it in a tough league yet but his team looks to be well organised, high tempo and with no small flair. He backs the youth where appropriate and most importantly is a winner who will command respect. To me it would seem a risk worth taking as he could well be the next Pochettino or Koeman. He's done his dues in the Eredivisie and you'd think he'd be up for the next challenge soon. If nothing else then BK's support for RM has made Goodison an attractive place for managers as they can see they will be given a good chance. This feels a good fit to me.
Emery would possibly be my third choice after his sterling work at Seville though it should be noted that his only stint out of Spain was pretty disastrous at Spartak and culminated in a 5-1 home loss in their derby. Not sure i'm keen to go straight back to a Spanish manager who seems to excel mostly in cups!
AVB would be my 4th choice as he has done well almost everywhere except for Chelsea where he was given no time. Even at Spurs he did better than given credit for. He's done well in Russia but looks to be keen on returning to Portugal.
39 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:23:26
I don't know who would be the best bet but anyone who has a persona approaching Bill Shankly's or Alex Ferguson's would be a good ingredient for our next manager (not easy to find!) but, to me, the club needs someone who can revitalise the players and lift the morale of players and fans alike.
Ken Buckley said that a big slice of luck is needed for things to come together. Dead right.
I don't think this is the best group of players in a generation but we do have some good young talented players. To build a team, we need a man who can, above all things, instill a spirit in the players like Shankly did. Like Howard did and like Ferguson did.
Pity we didn't get Pottechino or Klopp but I think that we were a club that picked outsiders, to keep us in the Premiership, anything else was a bonus.
Now, we've got a man who has a fair amount of cash and who now can choose from managers with better track records, or from the very best up and coming managers.
I don't know enough about him but Simeone has been described as a top class man who can weld players into a formidable team with the right attitude to take on any team.
Not an easy job but this board has to go for the very best candidate and that's all I hope they do. No guarantee we will suddenly start winning cups or finishing in the top four from the word go. But importantly,maybe most importantly, someone who has that "character" to enthuse the players with belief.
40 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:24:24
Proven entity not a punt on someone from the latest list of up-and-coming candidates in the British game who may or may not become top managers.
Interesting, the 3 who fell into that category 3-5 years ago were all given their chance and failed. Rogers, Lambert and now sadly Martinez.
From Lyndon's list, clearly Simone would be perfect albeit unrealistic. The current Dortmund coach is interesting and although its only the Dutch league, De Boer wets the appetite. Great player and 5 titles in 6 years (potentially) in any league is impressive. Currently boss of a European footballing institution so big club mentality ticked and could bring Dutch principles with him.
Moyes No! End of discussion!
Hold on for the ride could be a long summer!!
41 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:25:29
We need to take a chance but it should be on someone who knows how to win. We should go all in for De Boer and offer him a contract that he can't refuse. Failing that; Mancini.
If Moyes comes back, I'm done; as I wouldn't put myself through that shite again.
42 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:33:08
43 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:36:25
44 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:37:27
Finished 13 points above us last season and currently 13 points ahead now. Conceded 33 goals last season - 2nd best record after champions Chelsea (32). So defensively he should sort us out.
Knowing Kenwright, it'll probably be no-one or Neil Warnock.
45 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:47:08
Mourinho,
Koeman,
De Boer,
Pellegrini,
Tuchel,
Bielsa.
In that order for me
46 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:48:22
47 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:53:03
I couldn't face the press and media painting Klopp as the next Shankly and proclaiming the WHOLE city is on a high or words to that effect.
Everton are predictable, we just plod along in mid table never achieving anything, accepting mediocrity and dish out new contracts to players who have continually failed but hey they are good pro,s and nice guys.
48 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:53:36
49 Posted 25/04/2016 at 10:53:42
This information is coming from betting forums and non Everton fans who have been discussing it amongst other topics.
50 Posted 25/04/2016 at 11:11:50
I like Tuchel but its hard to see him leaving BVB. More likely is De Boer but does the board have the appetite for a professional appointment i.e. not someone who can be Bill's friend. Oh what a mess he has created.
With so much fan unrest, isn't it normal for a board to at least "back" the manager or are our lot so above us they just don't give a flying shite?
51 Posted 25/04/2016 at 11:21:09
What has to be taken into consideration is the appointment must also be one which will make the present playing staff sit up and take notice. The sort of appointment which will give them second thoughts about leaving for pastures new.
Eddie Howe for example wouldn't do it - whereas the unreachable Simeone would - so it has to be an appointment to set the pulses racing (in a football sense of course!).
Ajax have some very exciting players, so maybe De Boer; Bergkamp combination who would bring one or two of these players along with them, might just about cause a re-think or two amongst the players but I would pay a King's ransom to get Simeone.
52 Posted 25/04/2016 at 11:23:45
54 Posted 25/04/2016 at 11:55:24
Unless, like I said, Moshiri sees Wenger as part of the problem at Arsenal.
55 Posted 25/04/2016 at 11:57:05
The 'Kendall factor', the 'Everton way' and the fact that Bill Kenwright seems to really like him an honourable, but misplaced sentiment in this case convince me he is going nowhere.
And if, god forbid, we show some form in our remaining matches, that will cement his position even further.
The one imponderable is how much influence does our new majority shareholder have and what are his views I wonder?
We speculate so much and know so little about what really goes on behind the scenes...
56 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:00:12
One with a Royal Blue background.
We should have done it last time.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
57 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:12:08
I just happened to catch a couple of old matches being shown on Sky Wigan v Spurs and then Chelsea. 1-9 and 0-8 respectively. Scarily familiar set up, poor defending, loads of individual errors.
A bit spooky and close to home...
58 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:30:43
59 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:33:34
60 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:36:20
Simeone and Koeman are expecting bigger jobs in La Liga, Pellegrini and Mancini would be risky gambles with no track record of developing youth and would spend all our money. Mourinho is going to Man Utd. De Boer might be a shout but he already turned down the RS.
Anyway, I think it more likely that Martinez will be given another season and they will see how he is getting on by November and act then if it's looking bad. Sorry if that's not what you want to hear, guys, but seems most logical outcome for me.
61 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:43:27
A good comprehensive list, but we have no chance at the likes of Simone and Tuchel, pure fantasy.
I would like Favre, Mancini, Bielsa to be considered. Proven track records and a step up from what we have had previously.
Please no Benitez or the likes of Unsworth and Ferguson talk. Don't fuel that kind of rubbish!
62 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:49:51
Maybe there is an opportunity for a change of thinking and approach that is so badly needed at Everton. Could it be time for us to appoint a Director of Football to develop the 'philosophy' and a top class coach to implement it?
De Boer could fit the coach remit for me. Dare I say it, could Moyes make a suitable Director of Football to build upon the original framework he put in place? Just a thought admittedly a controversial one!
63 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:51:19
I suspect the majority would be against it.
For me, I would have him all day long versus the up-and-coming and unproven crowd.....
64 Posted 25/04/2016 at 12:53:42
The situation with a manager is a little bit different but we should, at least initially, try and lure the best. Everton do offer good wages which should, at least, work in our favour.
My preference would be to try and entice Wenger but does anyone remember when Joe Royle was manager Johnson and Kenwright, under the guise of reconnoitering different types of stadia in Europe, offering "Big Phil" Schollari(?) the Everton manager's job. Interestingly, the offer was made while Joe was in the Gents and it was rumoured that he was the only one in a room with that name.
65 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:04:45
At the moment, the Finch Farm atmosphere will be toxic. Back him or sack him then at least we all know where we stand.
66 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:06:23
Mourinho is a very slim change; if we could get him, we should... but, if that fails (most definitely will), I'd try get Frank Rijkaard. He's been out the game for a while but managed some of the world's best players and what a player players would instantly respect him. Just a thought.
67 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:08:02
Best of the rest. Koeman (be surprised if he did come), Emery or De Boer. Probably in that order.
Please no.
Mourinho, Laudrup, Howe, Dyche, Ex Blues.
All others mentioned. Not too interesting.
68 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:13:59
Many Evertonians, myself included, would welcome his return.
69 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:20:22
Surprised Klinnsman isn't listed as a possibility. From what I hear of Evertonians in the US, he would be a disaster.
The fact that Roberto is still in the job makes me think that either he will be given a transfer kitty and the start of next season or we are in talks with somebody already at a club.
70 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:30:21
2. I suspect Martinez will be given a couple of months into the new season to turn round the teams fortunes. A misguided concept.
71 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:37:23
I supported Martinez after he had been chosen as most did, but I most certainly did not want him before he was chosen. It baffled me why we aimed so low in the first place.
72 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:42:46
How could you want Moyes back? 11 years and he never won at Anfield, Stanford Bridge, Utd or Arsenal. Knifes to gunfight comments and happy just to get out of Old Trafford alive.
Remember the meetings with his new employers whilst still manager of Everton. His comments that he would never have stood in the way of an approach by Manchester United for one of our players when he inquired about Baines.
This football club made him a very wealthy man and he treated it as a second class vehicle as soon as he got the United job.
He may have steadied the ship in the early years; but if he comes back; I am done.
73 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:47:51
74 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:50:09
I don't even care about remark he made about us nearly a decade ago, or his past associations with them.
I still think the Geordies will go down and he will then be available, but I doubt BK and co would be brave enough to appoint him.
75 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:51:21
Anyone. Really, I mean absolutely anyone with a coaching badge, some knowledge of what corner kicks are all about and some idea about defending.
76 Posted 25/04/2016 at 13:57:56
None of us know what he could do with decent funds at his disposal. Look what he did with the little he had, Cahill, Gravesen, Carsley, Arteta, Howard (he was a worthy servant for most of his years here) etc. I'd rather have him, a man who commands respect, a man who also knows our club.
A man who is keen to prove he can hold his own in money stakes. Benitez, never! In fact, I don't want to see another Spaniard or Latin type at our club for a while. If not Moyes, Koeman, by any decent means necessary. Bye for now.
77 Posted 25/04/2016 at 14:00:16
As for Moyes coming back... no thanks: no wins in 50 games at the Sky 4. Martinez has 1 win there in 12 games, so that is two Everton managers with 1 win in 62 games at the Sk 4y which suggests we should be looking at getting in a top proven Manager who is a winner, such as a Simione, Mouriniho, Pellegrini, Mancini, De Boer type etc.
78 Posted 25/04/2016 at 14:06:10
79 Posted 25/04/2016 at 14:08:00
He was 3 years past his sell-by date when he sneakily left us. Plus I don't get why people are saying it would be great to see what he could do with money. We've seen what he can do with decent funds, Bily, Krøldrup even the Yak to a point.
Also, you can look at the time he had at Man Utd and blowing all their cash as well. Does anyone really want to go back to the 'Plucky Little Everton' era???
80 Posted 25/04/2016 at 14:12:35
81 Posted 25/04/2016 at 14:25:28
I like Koeman very much. I remember him as a player and he was a hard so and so, which is a quality our current encumber sadly lacks. My only reservation is that I think we need someone with the charisma and passion to face up to Klopp, if we are to be seen by others at least as equals of that lot across the park. Mourinho would obviously fit the bill, but not Pellegrini, Mancini, Benitez, etc.
I understand why you haven't included Pottechino, but how about Rannieri? I love what he's doing at Leicester, but acknowledge he would be difficult to prise away. Less charismatic, but doing a good job at West Ham is ex-blue Slavan Bilic.
Finally, with my tongue partially in my cheek, might I also suggest that Roy Hodgson might be looking for a new job this summer.
82 Posted 25/04/2016 at 14:32:41
I didn't want RM but would have been happy to have been proved wrong.
If you don't think it's a difficult job appointing a manager, how come so many get the sack?
83 Posted 25/04/2016 at 14:33:36
I think we may be staying with RM, Im just not convinced BK has the will to sack him and yes I think its down to Bill as I don't think our new shareholder will rock the boat just yet, and to think that lot across the park nearly had RM, fuck it.
84 Posted 25/04/2016 at 14:36:12
However, from what I have seen, there is no reason to doubt that Martinez will be there to see our phenomenally unlucky relegation next year, probably settled by about Christmas.
I'm betting on Barkley, Stones, Lukaku and probably Jagielka, Baines and Galloway and most of the better U21s disappearing in the next 12 months so can look forward to a team something like: Robles, Hibbert (LB), Pienaar, Osman (CBs), Besic (RB), Barry, Kone, Junior (if still on the books) , Lennon, McGeady, (MF), and wandering about aimlessly up front ... Niasse.
85 Posted 25/04/2016 at 15:15:23
Who does he think Everton are, Blackpool? Yeah that's the Mirror taking the pee out of us today because some fans suggested Mourinho. This is what he has turned us into!
86 Posted 25/04/2016 at 15:27:20
Harry Catterick, Billy Bingham Howard Kendall, Colin Harvey and Joe Royle all Everton old boys who had not won major trophies with the clubs they had managed previously to arriving at Goodison.
Mike Walker, David Moyes and Robert Martinez hired because they were seen as the up and coming prospects of their particular era. Whilst the other two appointments Gordon Lee and Walter Smith are a bit of a mystery particularly Gordon Lee at least Walter had won stuff in Scotland.
Ten managerial appointments in over half a century and not one of them had a prolonged period of success with another English club, indeed only Roberto had won major English Silverware prior to taking up the Goodison hot seat and even that was tarnished with the relegation of Wigan Athletic.
Many big names have been linked with the job at Everton, Brian Clough, Don Revie, Bobby Robson et al but not many have been approached over the years and none have taken the job if they indeed had been offered it.
Bill Kenwright has and probably will continue the Everton tradition by appointing a manager who fits the Everton way e.g. Duncan Ferguson, Alan Stubbs, David Unsworth or Eddie Howe et al.
This quirky tradition of managerial appointments which seems to fly in the face of the club motto is one of the reasons that the club has been left behind by our traditional rivals and is now threatened by the up and coming clubs.
If Everton FC wants to attempt to be the best it has to appoint the best available to it in all departments, particularly the managers position, but I would imagine the club is quite happy to continue doing what it has done for fifty years and hope that it gets a lucky break along the way.
87 Posted 25/04/2016 at 15:34:56
As many suggest on here, I think its still an if and I'm not convinced they will get rid just yet.
Anyway, have you just seen the breaking news on Sky? Mark Yates sacked by Crawley. Wonder if its linked?!!
88 Posted 25/04/2016 at 15:44:36
It might be worth adding that the state / expectations of the club at the time are also an important consideration.
Moyes was the right man at the right time IMHO.
He stayed too long and blotted his copybook - but he did stabilise a sinking ship in his first 5 years.
Now, however, we are in a much healthier position financially (apparently).
This should be reflected in a higher profile manager if this club has any ambition. Another conservative appointment will go down like a tonne of bricks with the fanbase.
I think they may well have taken us for granted too long in that case.
I mentioned on another thread that we need a man 'bigger than the club' - one who will not pander to the board and who will awaken a sleeping giant. Not sure who that is / who is attainable.
90 Posted 25/04/2016 at 17:15:23
91 Posted 25/04/2016 at 17:24:59
A yoyo manager who finally found some consistency in his 6th full season at the club. A bottler who nearly always failed when it came to the crunch. A sneak who went behind our backs to negotiate with Manchester United & was then working for them whilst we were still paying him. Oh, & we do know what he could do with decent funds available to him, as he had plenty to spend when he took over at the then League Champions he failed.
A man of limited ability & no honour no thanks!
93 Posted 25/04/2016 at 17:27:25
However, unless the new manager has an ego small enough to accommodate the Chairman's ego then there isn't enough room in our relatively small stadium to accommodate both.
One of the reasons I am convinced RM is still in post is down to his sycophantic utterances about the Chairman being the best in the world, which he has uttered along with his other tripe since he arrived at Goodison Park.
We need Simeone we will get RM to remain or a lower level manager such as Howe or if we are lucky De Boer/Bergkamp.
94 Posted 25/04/2016 at 17:28:46
He shows passion on pitchside, and makes bold substitutions. He was also a defender we seem to have forgotten what defending is all about.
95 Posted 25/04/2016 at 17:31:26
I read an interview with Keown and Bergkamp in last week's Daily Mail, they play 4-3-3 with proper wingers but also view defensive duties (Stam) as equally important. I think they would be gettable but you would want at least Stam if not all three on the ticket.
96 Posted 25/04/2016 at 18:37:20
Think bigger. We aren't a Chelsea, Man City, ttc and we must take a calculated risk. De Boer for me
97 Posted 25/04/2016 at 18:46:02
98 Posted 25/04/2016 at 19:16:14
Jeff 95, would love to see De Boer bring his coaching team over here but doubt that's going to happen. Whether he can adapt to the English game is another worry but my fear is that the paymasters not having the audacity to try something new.
99 Posted 25/04/2016 at 19:17:14
100 Posted 25/04/2016 at 19:32:59
I'd still prefer the Ajax 3 as they are now known.
101 Posted 25/04/2016 at 19:38:01
Rafael Benitez,
Guus Hiddink,
Andre Villas Boas,
Roberto Do Matteo,
Gary Neville,
Eddie Howe,
Sean Dyche.
My preferred choice is actually one of "The Attainable" according to this thread... Frank De Boer.
I don't see the weakness of the Eridivisie as a reason for him to be overlooked, particularly when he's won it four times in five years and has a win percentage ratio of 60%. He's an intelligent man who likes to play attractive attacking football and I'm sure he will command respect from the players because of what he has achieved and his personality.
If you check it out you will also see he has built a very young squad and I think this also makes him ideal for us as we have some very talented young players in the academy set-up. If we don't get him we might regret it as someone else will and it will probably be Southampton if we get Koeman.
102 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:21:06
The most important thing is for Moshiri to ignore being told by Kenwright that he has an infallible way of picking Everton managers but on this occasion he will push the boat out and set his compass to draw a 60 mile radius from Goodison Park and see which manager that throws up.
103 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:28:43
They've got everything in place and just need to move their model to Everton.
Absolute no brainer for me. Whether it's possible is another thing. I fear they may hang on another year and take the Arsenal job.
104 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:34:26
Mike - 88 If you think our Chairman will appoint a "Man bigger than the Club" then I'm afraid you are going to be disappointed.
I didn't state I thought our chairman would appoint such a manager.
I posted that it was what we needed (IMHO).
Big difference.
(And I've been disappointed for a long time as well!)
105 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:36:04
Both are Evertonians and both of them would scare the shit out of any shirkers. Plus, Joey can speak French so he'd be able to talk to Rom, Kev and Niasse in their own lingo.
106 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:38:45
(Covers defence and attack with those two coaches)
If not those, Emery or Koeman sound good.
Too early for Howe, we can go back for him in the future.
No way for the likes of Benitez or Moyes - both burned their bridges with us in my opinion and shouldn't be given a chance.
Nobody has mentioned the guy we were looking at around the same time as Martinez - Vitor Pereira.
He has done pretty well since we bypassed him. Better than Martinez anyway! Might be worth a look again?
107 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:39:03
Sadly, both of them would scare the shit out of me as well.
Terrible idea.
108 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:39:36
109 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:40:01
110 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:40:20
YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS !
111 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:44:03
I get you don't want Moyes back, I don't think he is right for us either (although if it is a straight choice between him and Martinept it is absolutely no contest).
But however much your disdain, at least stick to facts to make the point.
"A yoyo manager who finally found some consistency in his 6th full season at the club"?? Get real please.
The club was on the bones of its arse and staring into oblivion when he was appointed. And
17-4-11-6-5-5-8-7-7-6-5 is neither yoyo (it's Top 6/7/8) or season 6 (4 by my reckoning) to stabilise and cut out the dross in the club on a fraction of nett spend of the current clown. It is also a bit disingenuous to say he had money to spend at Manure too as you couldn't really say he was there long enough, and they didn't trust him with a fraction of what they have given Burt from Sesame Street.
I get you don't like him, and some of the other things you correctly point out have soured things badly for most of us I guess, but don't invent things to make him the devil incarnate. Given the circumstances he inherited the guy did a great job for us and left a fantastic platform to push on from with the additional funds available.
...which the current daft fucker has pissed right up against the wall.
112 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:46:17
Selecting a new manager is like selecting a new telly these days, there are simly thousands to choose from.
I tend to agree with Ken Buckley, there is always a gamble and you cant know if you have the right guy until he has spent some time doing the job.
I read somewhere that Simeone is on about 4.5 net, he would want more than that to upsticks and come here and his club would want major compo.
Too big a gamble, he may be a good manager, but we need a good fit
113 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:48:24
114 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:50:19
115 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:50:22
116 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:50:44
117 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:52:48
Superb tactician and likes his players to be fit and press hard.
This clip of him shows what we need in our dressing room and at Finch farm...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLA7qPPgGso
118 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:55:58
Who has Martinez best signing been ?
119 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:56:19
No way in a million years he's coming. Have you been out with Colin this weekend??
120 Posted 25/04/2016 at 20:57:23
The thought of this charlatan being in charge next season is the nightmare scenario that only the cruelest would think was a possibility.
121 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:00:28
if this progresses much further it won't be long until Jason Vorhees and Michael Myers are suggested.
(For the record I doubt either could manage at the very top - lower leagues maybe - but we have enough soft tissue injury problems at present).
122 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:01:08
Grav and Mazz could bring in some interesting ideas to improve our tactical thinking but Tommy Grav would have to be released first, I think.
I'd also like Martinez to stay on as chief scout. He may have failed as a manager but he's got a good eye for talent (except maybe, Niasse) and he could advise the new boys until they get their feet under the table.
I think we need to be bold this time and a Dunc-Joey- Grav - Mazz team would confuse the hell out of our opponents and keep our lads in line. I know for a fact, Jags would never be caught smiling in the tunnel ever again.
123 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:03:12
125 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:07:19
126 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:09:53
If this is you thinking outside the box then I suggest that your carers put you back inside the box, and lets hope they put you in some restraining outfit.
I thought you were just winding us up at first, but then remembered you stood by this lunatic RM right up to a few weeks back.
I
127 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:12:04
128 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:15:10
I think that would confuse the hell out of anyone. As for Martinez staying on in any capacity, no thanks.
130 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:36:34
I can only think you're being controversial to stimulate debate.
If you're serious you need to be put on suicide watch along with me if Martinez stays!
131 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:48:00
(It'll be Darth Vader and the exhumed corpse of Jimmy Savile next the way this is going.) Best move on.
132 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:51:44
However, if he is being serious ...
Everybody move V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y towards the exit, keeping your eyes on Colin and any sudden movement all the time ...
133 Posted 25/04/2016 at 21:59:50
If not him then Pellegrini for me. Forget what he's done at City, forget what he did at Real Madrid, but just look at what he did at both Villarreal & Malaga. The job at Villarreal was unreal but the Malaga one I see similarities with us, or possible similarities.
They were a team just plodding along in la liga then all of a sudden got investment. At the start of the very next season, they appointed Pellegrini, give him a bit of cash to spend and in that first season he got the unfancied Malaga into the champions league!
Now the jobs he's done at both Villarreal & Malaga show that he's capable of building good sides and making them competitive, and the fact he's already managed in the prem and knows the league, lives in the north west, makes him an ideal candidate definitely.
134 Posted 25/04/2016 at 22:02:36
Like him or loathe him, Mourinho will do this and accelerate us to where we want to be. I'm sick of small time methods and appointments - the club need to at least start thinking of themselves as a big club; God knows, no other bugger will do it for us!
137 Posted 25/04/2016 at 22:48:57
My preferred choice would be Simeone. He'd drive everyone mad with his drive and touchline antics. We won't get him though so we will have to settle for some Dutch kool I think eg De Boer or Koeman.
138 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:08:07
140 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:25:39
It made me laugh that the shite thought they could get Klopp, when they weren't in the Champions League and were imploding, plus had a shit squad. And you know what? Hate them as I do, they NEVER consider themselves a small-time club and that is why they so often scrape through impossible games and why they now have one of the best managers in world football.
We have some money now, not City style riches, but combined with the bumper TV deal, we definitely can invest in the playing squad like never before. That should give us a chance to fish in a bigger pond manager-wise. If we approach Mourinho and he laughs at us and tells us we are deluded and that he only has eyes for Man Utd, then that allows me to just think he's a nobhead. I'm sick and tired of thinking my club is run by nobheads with no vision. They owe it to us to at least start acting like they're a big club. You never know, thinking that way may allow us to one day actually become one again!
141 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:26:49
Bilic together with Unsworth or Sheedy.
We'll do well to see any more points on the board this campaign... good job it's not a few games longer..
142 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:35:18
Eddie Howe, Duncan Ferguson, Dyche, Weir, Stubbs etc.... You can't be serious.
Ronald De Boer, Michael Laudrup, Ronald Keoman, Jose Mourinho and Guus Hiddink are all huge mangers with good attributes to move us back to were we need to be.
I no many people will disagree, but Moyes is also a sensible choice, although I'd pick all of the above before him.
143 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:59:01
146 Posted 26/04/2016 at 05:29:14
If we keep Martinez, we need a director of football, someone that will be influential in ensuring player fitness levels and the style of play.
We saw on Saturday that the team has it in it to perform at the top level but we are too inconsistent and that is down to team selection and tactics.
Under Moyes, we knew what to expect and it wasn't always pretty but we were hard to beat and he did chalk up his fair share of draws, blatantly shutting up shop with 20 minutes to go to secure a point.
147 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:58:34
However, I think he genuinely could take us forward and get the best out of the team.
Admittedly I do agree with you reg. Anfield, Chelsea and Old Trafford.
Better the devil you know for me. For the moment I would like the club to show decisiveness by sacking Martinez and appointing Ferguson until the end of the season.
Does anyone know if the two candidates - the German and the Portuguese - that interviewed for the job after DM's departure are available?
148 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:09:09
Seems they really do think his time here is up !
149 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:12:51
150 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:20:12
151 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:52:55
If I had a choice it'd be Simeone but that's never going to happen.
De Boer has managed in Holland and as Lyndon pointed out, McLaren won the league there. His playing careers makes no difference.
I'd hate to see Mourinho near the club and I think Pelligirini is tactically suspect, although I'd like his personality at the club.
Koeman might be a good bet but I'm far from convinced.
Bielsa and Emery both seem to rub players up the wrong way.
Looking through the Paddy Power betting doesn't inspire me either. The only one that sticks out for me is Rijkaard but then I'm wondering why he hasn't been successful or in demand since he left the Nou Camp.
152 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:57:51
Yet, most top clubs change their managers quite regularly. While many view this as negative, I feel it is an inevitable element of modern football.
So no more '5 year plans'. We need a manager with a one and two year plan, then we assess.
There is nothing wrong if the manager we get comes for 2 seasons, improves our lot then is replaced by a better manager.
Bielsa for me ticks all the boxes. Roma's former manager Rudi Garcia also. de Boer also seems possible. I expect Koeman is unattainable.
Simeone is dreamland.
153 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:09:49
154 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:02:05
155 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:56:01
We firstly need someone who can "man-manage" and motivate. Who is fully conversant with fitness programmes and the requirements of the Premier League. Who can organise the team in different areas on the pitch, so everyone knows their roles, and what is required. To be tactically aware, have a Plan Z, and react to the opposition's changes of tactics. And finally, be able to attract the right players to fill the right holes.
Leicester have proved that you don't need mega-fee superstars to be successful if the above criteria is met.
156 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:16:46
I'm gonna name someone who is not flashy, we don't need flashy... he is steady, we need steady. He has Premier League experience and would steady what is in danger of becoming a sinking ship. Don't expect it to be popular, but this is a discussion, I don't make the appointment.....
Ready? Sam Allyardyce.....
As I said, steady, maybe even boring, but he understands the English game and I honestly believe his no-nonsense, down-to-earth approach could work a miracle on Stones and Barkley.
157 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:35:23
159 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:12:35
If we get rid, I would go for Mr Passionate, Martin O'Neill.
160 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:51:10
" Call Jose Tonight"
Gets my vote
161 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:57:55
163 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:18:15
I suspect these are the options. Now, I bowed to no one in my disdain for Moyes but,I would have him back if it meant the end of Martinez. Believe me, that took some saying.
This is about Kenwright and what goes on in his head. He can only sack the man he appointed by appointing the man he indulgently set free. The return of Moyes, in the mind of mad Bill, is the only option that can see him be right, right and right again.
We let him go and took a monumentally brave choice. It didn't work and I am enough of a blue to admit I got it wrong. So, I will revert to my last great choice. Let's begin where we left off.
164 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:21:41
Ever Blue
Ever True
EVERTON.
165 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:24:34
I remember Joe Mercer and what he did at City . maybe Joe Royle could do the same with an Evertonian Malcolm Allison maybe Sheeds, maybe Dunc or Alan Stubbs If we really are "The People's Club" let's keep it in the family and be different from the rest do it our way the Everton way.
167 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:31:18
168 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:29:51
Though I could never follow a Mou, Moyes, or Beni club.
169 Posted 26/04/2016 at 22:33:15
Dreamland would be Simone - but lets face it that's about as likely as a lottery win. My first choice would be AvB - young, did well at Spurs and he's got a point to prove in the Prem. Further down the list would be Mourinho, Pellegrini and DeBoer. I'd be happy with any of the above - just want Martinez as far away from Goodison as possible.
170 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:30:32
171 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:37:44
172 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:16:45
He then got the Valencia job at time they were in financial problems, got them to sixth despite this, then next three years finished third in league. Then the job in Russia which didn't work out, even though he won more games than he lost.
With Sevilla two fifth place finishes and two Europa league wins. He's always had to sell his best players at Valencia and Sevilla. He's worked with some cracking players in David Silva, Juan Mata, David Villa amongst others. He's a very good manager.
Interesting article on him here http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/27/sevilla-manager-europa-league-final-unai-emery
173 Posted 27/04/2016 at 00:38:34
I too thought of Emery as a possibility on another thread. There are rumors that he is unhappy with the finances of the club and never being able to really compete for first place. The only unhappy player would be DelBoy as Emery is the one who publicly scolded him.
177 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:48:35
178 Posted 27/04/2016 at 08:00:54
4 David Moyes
7 Eddie Howe
10 Marco Bielsa
16 AVB
16 Ronald Koeman
Or you could have 100/1 on Steven Gerrard!
179 Posted 27/04/2016 at 08:05:25
180 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:32:43
The same goes for Bielsa, don't fancy him. Doesn't speak English and has a temperament.
With Mourinho pretty much holding out for the Utd job and with £300m to spend there he won't come to us.
For me it has to be, in this order:-
De Boer-with his start studded backroom staff and half the Ajax team, Perfect fit, love this idea.
Mourinho-obviously would be a statement, long shot but you never know, could nip in there in front Utd if they pull their finger out.
Koeman-if he could be tempted away from Southampton.
Emery-DelBoy wouldn't be best pleased, strong manager though who can build a great team hard to beat.
Favre-good pedigree who could build a good young squad. Free agent as well.
181 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:50:12
He would command respect from the players with his playing career alone. Martinez and his staff don't have a baseball cap between them. Plus he's at Ajax, a club renowned for its academy. A massive plus for Everton.
And people suggesting Moyes with money to spend ½ what a scary thought! Surly these people need a serious look in the mirror at themselves!
Frank De Boer......
182 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:52:04
183 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:22:53
Emery is known as a harsh disciplinarian and I don't think that suits us here. Bielsa doesn't speak English, so I don't like that idea either.
De Boer? Well he's a big name, but inexperienced and doesn't know the PL. That said, Staam knows the division so could be a decent backroom setup as well.
Simeone, Mancini, Mourinho et al? Pie in the sky.
Koeman? He'll stay at Southampton or go back to Europe is my guess.
Pellegrini is a decent shout, but I have a feeling he'll be off to Spain (although he has said he likes it here so you never know).
You can stick in a pin in that lot and choose one to be honest - who knows what goes on in the heads (and wallets) of directors at Everton. We'll probably end up with Eddie Howe, given our previous small-time mentality, but I hope that culture is removed ASAP by Moshiri and his representatives and they make a bold statement by getting in a big name, and quality motivator and tactician.
184 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:00:38
Now in terms of the debate, I'm seriously favouring De Boer, Stam, & Bergkamp as the new crew.
Class.
Have plenty of EPL understanding.
Cover ALL the tactical essentials.
Proven record as a cohesive backroom.
We do need to remember that:
Everton IS a BIG club
With an enhanced EPL budget
With a BIG Managers salary + success bonuses
With a very tasty squad
With new thinking at boardroom level
With a devoted following
What ambitious, successful European manager and crew wouldn't want a piece of that tasty looking pie ?
Those are the reasons why we really don't need to squander time upon "lesser mortals", and instead bring in some serious fucker's who will scare the shit out of the rest of the EPL.
No:
X-Factor contestants
Has beens
MK II failures
Steady hands
"Open All Hours" scale of gratitude for continuance
Get serious, 'cos the opposition already is !
185 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:47:22
186 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:20:11
187 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:34:16
In all seriousness, I just want a winner. Someone who has succeeded at a big club.
188 Posted 27/04/2016 at 14:39:37
189 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:47:45
Interesting perspective either way.
190 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:49:54
191 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:55:24
Will Bill manage another smoke and mirrors routine or will commonsense prevail.
All will be revealed in the coming weeks.
192 Posted 27/04/2016 at 16:56:52
193 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:10:10
Let's sweep this 'Everton way' notion into history, when Kendall won all those cups we we're ruthless.
Kenwright fosters this delusion of keeping manager's for10 years no matter what the results.
It's 'Kenwrights Way' not Everton's .
195 Posted 27/04/2016 at 18:28:50
197 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:49:34
The RS bit the bullet when they got rid of their own Martinez, Brendan Rodgers, and appointed Klopp. We have to do the same. The next man has to be a marquee name. Someone with a proven record of success who won't accept mediocrity. A name known from one end of the football world to the other.
If we have cash to splash then we need the man who knows how to attract the kind of players we need to get this club back on its feet. We can't offer CL. We can't offer a giant modern ground. We can't offer a squad full of world class players and they won't sign for the ambience. All we can offer is a top manager with a plan to put a, not so much sleeping as in a coma, giant back on top and hope they'll want to be part of helping it to happen.
198 Posted 27/04/2016 at 21:00:41
199 Posted 27/04/2016 at 23:08:36
200 Posted 28/04/2016 at 02:53:20
201 Posted 28/04/2016 at 03:08:52
The announcement regards departures should be made as soon as possible though... it's doing us no favours if it isn't.
202 Posted 28/04/2016 at 03:29:53
Nail on head.
We need someone who will grab this club by the scruff of the neck and drag it to where it should be.
At the very least we should be challenging for every bit of silverware going. We need a winner. LFC got it right eventually. We have to have the same mentality .
They are out there... We need to chose correctly. Mediocrity is not an option.
203 Posted 28/04/2016 at 03:46:58
What a fucking horrific downer that would be!
204 Posted 28/04/2016 at 04:00:56
RUUD GUILLIT.
or Laurent Blanc anyoe other than Martinez or Moyes AAAARRRRGGGHHH.
205 Posted 28/04/2016 at 04:13:03
206 Posted 28/04/2016 at 04:17:28
207 Posted 28/04/2016 at 04:22:38
Yes, it's asinine behaviour but it's also passionate and brutally honest. It shows he'd do anything for the team. Meanwhile we have a manager who not only does nothing, he squirms his way out of any blame in the post-match interview.
Of course, Kenwright would never hire him or anyone like him, because he's not a "nice man".
208 Posted 28/04/2016 at 06:43:59
209 Posted 28/04/2016 at 07:04:23
210 Posted 28/04/2016 at 07:15:49
211 Posted 28/04/2016 at 07:24:58
Wouldn't be a top choice, but I don't see a reason why he should not be talked about. Take away any prejudice and he actually meets a criteria most would look for: Tactically good, respected in game, experienced in premiership.
212 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:15:19
213 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:58:40
214 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:09:36
He may 'have lost' one or two players but I'm sure there's no massive player revolt against him. It's just that some of them aren't as good as they are made out to be.
215 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:14:40
How low can this football club sink; if you never shoot for the stars, you're never going to get there.
216 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:23:30
217 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:07:33
Howe is not going to take us forward, he is still learning his trade. The rest are 'also rans'.
I can see Kenwright going for Moyes again, or Hughes.
This appointment WILL DEFINE EFC versus the rest (and the RS) going forward into another generation. We need a marque manager and someone with knowledge and charisma too woo the media.
218 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:20:31
219 Posted 28/04/2016 at 11:25:46
Mark Hughes is perfect for us so as the good work of the present regime can continue.
They did manage to score at Anfield which I suppose is a bonus.
Dear me, have we sunk to such a low in ambition.
220 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:18:01
221 Posted 28/04/2016 at 12:27:56
Pressing, fast counter attacking football. Develops young players also.
Not currently employed.
222 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:23:21
I don't know if it would be a good idea to have him back. He wouldn't fail as such, like we are now. People say he took the club as far as he could. I disagree, he took the budget as far as he could - and with or without Moshiri are different now.
Hitting top four or repeating 6th/7th, his appointment would be as lazy as bringing in Martinez.
223 Posted 28/04/2016 at 15:04:42
Admittedly Joe would not be a ‘youthful' candidate or one which would excite the media in the way a Mourinho or a Moyes might do. The analogy that I would make by appointing Joe would be the appointment of Bobby Robson as Newcastle Manager in 1999. At the time Robson was 66 years old [a year younger than Joe] and believe it or not they were in a worse position than us at the bottom of the premier league. Robson's feel good factor and ability to get the best out of veteran players and spot young talent saw a swift turn around in the Magpies fortunes and the following season they finished in third spot.
The appointment of Joe on a two possibly three year contract with an old hand such as Alan Irvine working with him might just do the trick. Joe is a true blue, a legend of the club and he would be welcomed by everyone at Goodison. He is already working with the young players and he would therefore hit the ground running.
Wenger is 66, Ranieri is 64 and Joe remains a ‘youthful ‘pensioner at 67. Admittedly in different times he brought Barmby, Kanchelskis and Speed to the club and we won silverware. Tactically astute and with an eye for talent I'm convinced that he would invest the ‘new' wealth at our disposal wisely and build a successful team.
The succession model does not appear to be working at Man Utd but that is partly because they appointed a manager with no real grasp of what it means to manage the club. Van Gaal has never bought in to the culture of Manchester United and United fans are wary of Giggs's potential as a future manager. Those concerns would not appear to be true at Everton should Joe be appointed. Joe lives and breathes Everton Football Club and both Unsworth and Sheedy have shown managerial potential with the U21s.
So just maybe the former manager we should be looking at is not Moyes but Joe Royle – a true Evertonian.
224 Posted 28/04/2016 at 16:51:05
Why everyone isn't crying out for this is beyond me. It's the best option by a country mile as far as I can see.
225 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:02:48
Our history and support decrees that we are a big club, the reality is that the top managers just don't consider us one of the big boys, sorry lads we can expect a Hughes, Moyes type, Howe, Dyche, sodding hell Ive just realised Paul Lambert will be out of work soon. Is this really the end? So come on lads who do you Realistically think would come here. Keep it sensible eh.
227 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:08:01
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/Everton/next-permanent-manager
228 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:19:52
229 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:22:29
What does all this manager speculation matter to you?
Aren't you the one with the mate on the inside, repeatedly telling us RM is going nowhere?
230 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:32:15
231 Posted 28/04/2016 at 18:24:28
232 Posted 28/04/2016 at 19:35:45
233 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:59:24
Yes mate the very same and he has never steered me wrong but as I pointed out its not something I want, like the rest of you here I want him gone. Bit of a cheeky dig, lad wasn't it?of course it matters to me as much as anyone. Been a supporter for over 50 years so yes it matters a great deal.
I will be one of the first to do a little dance when RM is moved on if he is. So because I think one thing means I shouldn't care about others? Behave!
234 Posted 28/04/2016 at 21:31:26
You repeat again your source has never 'steered you wrong,' so if he is bang on the money this game of 'pick the manager' is a futile one.
It won't stop people playing the game of course and I haven't said they should.
You, by contrast, even though you've repeatedly told us 'he's going nowhere' ridicule suggestions of alternatives whilst proposing some pretty poor candidates.
It's a very muddled message you keep repeating Jimmi.
236 Posted 28/04/2016 at 23:52:24
Fingers crossed?
237 Posted 28/04/2016 at 00:01:16
He came to the fore coaching a little club from the south called Reggina where Pirlo did a season-long loan. It was here where he was first used as a deep lying playmaker. Mazzarri then went on to coach Napoli, creating that beautiful attacking trident of Lavezzi, Cavani, Hamsik.
He was a victim of circumstance when he took over at Inter, a club in transition looking for a scapegoat. He has been unemployed since and rumor has it has been learning English.
238 Posted 29/04/2016 at 05:44:29
239 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:16:26
Half La Liga is Championship standard, League 1 more so, Budesliga a little better.
When people say the PL isn't the best in Europe what they mean is there is no team better than Real, Barca, Bayern, PSG and At Mad. Which though arguable is nothing to do with the league.
Not that it means a thing really. Best league worst league, winning it would still be the same for the fans.
240 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:39:52
So today or the next week or two should show what kind of ambition Everton have but Jay I'm like the rest of us blues and want change however it comes about. What I was saying is that some of the suggestions are pie in the sky, I'm sure you might agree that the likes of Simeone wouldnt come here, as for Pochettino I understand he is about to agree a five year deal at Spurs so he is off the wish list. Only being realistic with my thoughts about who we get if there is a change and some of the names bandied about here are just crazy although I guess thats the point of a wish list, who you would want in an ideal world but we don't live in an ideal world as we are Everton and never do things sensibly do we?. Lets just hope for the best eh.
241 Posted 30/04/2016 at 04:10:23
242 Posted 30/04/2016 at 18:01:56
Would like to see Yarmolenko in to take the pressure off Barkley. And a strong goalkeeper, right back and centre half. Part of the reason (press conferences aside) this season has been so frustrating is that we haven't been that far off. This squad should be hurting and will have learnt lessons this season.
But if Martinez does go, No to Benitez, Hughes and most on that list. Anyone who thinks Mourinho or Simeone are going to darken our door need to lie down and cop on. Bielsa is unlikely to ever work in England. Koeman and Laudrup strike me as short term appointments, which is in line with their respective track records. Not what we should be aiming for.
Sly Stallone?
243 Posted 12/05/2016 at 14:21:33
244 Posted 12/05/2016 at 14:50:55
The number one priority was to get rid of Martinez. The worst Manager and the biggest football fraud on the planet.
245 Posted 12/05/2016 at 14:58:05
So this is the REALLY scary bit.
Until we appoint, we're just cannon fodder.
But when we do........
I want some fucker in that will make the "Sky Babies" shit their pink knickers and think "Oh Sweet baby Judas...... Everton are back !".
Go BIG Farhad !
Go FUCKING GIGANTIC !
246 Posted 12/05/2016 at 16:19:18
247 Posted 12/05/2016 at 16:33:23
Manager - David Unsworth
Assistant Manager - Duncan Ferguson
1st Team Coach - Kevin Sheedy
Defensive Coach - Davie Weir
Attacking Coach - Daniel Amokachi
Marc Hottiger can work in the club shop and Andy van Der Meyde can work in the bar.
248 Posted 12/05/2016 at 16:35:42
His teams tends to play attractive football but he is a little bit like Martinez. And he tends to last only for one or two seasons. I think he does not really want to do all the hard work over a longer period which is required to become a top manager. So even as a Dane I think there are better alternatives (Mancini for me if Mourinho does not want to come)
251 Posted 12/05/2016 at 17:26:45
Simeone WOULD NOT COME. If we go for him, let's go for Messi et al, eh?
Maybe Koeman could be worth a shout, though has he won anything? Be better than bobby.
252 Posted 12/05/2016 at 17:32:10
253 Posted 12/05/2016 at 17:32:11
254 Posted 12/05/2016 at 17:35:32
A toilet brush.
Question answered.
255 Posted 12/05/2016 at 17:36:53
Steve McLaren won the dutch league with Fc Twente.
Would the bar codes want him back?
Mourinho for me is out of a job, we could afford his wages and we have a transfer kitty to back up our young talent.
If the the reds can tempt Klopp with no european football then why cant we tempt Mourinho.
AIM BIG AIM HIGH
256 Posted 12/05/2016 at 17:39:01
257 Posted 12/05/2016 at 17:54:03
He said "De Boer could lose five nil and still refuse to change his philosophy, he's that single minded."
Fucking hell, I thought, frying pan and fire to spring to mind here.
For me it's be Koeman, who by the way, the same correspondent reckoned was the best of the Dutch masters.
258 Posted 12/05/2016 at 18:01:50
259 Posted 12/05/2016 at 18:49:18
261 Posted 12/05/2016 at 18:59:00
262 Posted 12/05/2016 at 18:59:30
263 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:05:10
264 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:05:58
265 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:17:37
Without me saying anything he then toddled over to the grass and did his business.This is a sure sign of having a plan B so I would like to nominate him
266 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:25:45
9 defeats. 9 draws.
Even his Uncle Dick would manage one away win?
268 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:47:03
269 Posted 12/05/2016 at 19:51:39
Go for a manager that has won things and challenged in a top league near the top consistently.
Forget about hunches , go for safety and been there done it km and of manager. We don't want to be stuck with another Martinez.
De Boer is in the camp of Gamble.
Mourinho
Pelegrini
Mancini
Emery
Not in any order , but I think they should have managed in premier league also and been relatively successful. However Pep and simione are exceptions.
Talking to a Man city fan and he highly rates Mancini.
270 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:02:34
Anyone here saying "well he wouldn't come here" needs to fuck off and count their bollocks. Because thinking small has won us FUCK ALL for 21 years.
So, you cornershop types, who do you think that poor grateful little pen-knife Everton should bring to the forthcoming events at the "OK Corrall ?".
Some beloved exEFC player ?
Some Johnny come lately, the new kid in town ?
If Everton want to step up then we NEED to "WISE UP", FFS little Leicester brought in Ranieri, comfortable Southampton brought in Koeman.
Here, we have "serious" Evertonians berating fellow Toffs because the Moyesian, "be careful" mindset has obliterated ALL consideration of GLORY !
FFS GLORY is what we want !
Our moto is......
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
NOT
Submission means survival, accept and continue.
Anyone aged 45 or over, scratch your fucking nuts, then tell the "beaten generations" what it felt like to be "The Feared Kings of Europe". Cos that is exactly who we were !
Go fucking BIG Everton !
Go fucking MASSIVE !
Go fucking MASSIVE !
271 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:23:11
I'm holding onto the Mourinho dream as long as I can - we've got some cracking young players, and money to spend. A project. Why wouldn't he? Come on Jose, you know it makes sense.
272 Posted 12/05/2016 at 20:23:41
This IS what you are.
Link
And this IS what you MUST DO !
https://www.youtube.com/results?Link
I owe this legacy to you, to drive you on to expect much, much more.
So please watch even just the first twenty seconds of this legendary slice of Evertonianism. What this pretty little girl says is a million times more powerful than hearing Z-Cars ring out at The Worlds First Football Stadium !
"Golden Vision"
Link
Is he good ?
273 Posted 12/05/2016 at 21:20:55
We go from despair to hope to euphoria to losing hope to total despair faster than you can say the word Everton.
Ok, so yesterday was the end of our world, today, hope and excitement with a little apprehension lingering in the back of all our minds.
I'm as negative and realistic as the next person when it comes to Everton, you have to be with our track record. But I'm also a person who looks on the bright side of things and I am the eternal optimist. Things have happened to me in my life that make me believe that - 2 major personal events that at the time were devastating to me, tuned my life around for the better and a well paid job and a beautiful wife and two wonderful young sons are the direct results of those to terrible moments in my life.
Plus I've been an Evertonian all my life, watching and cheering the blues on from afar (USA) since 1995. I was a season ticket holder from 1981-1994. I'm 47 now. See my second sentence above - that has happened to me 100's of times.
So I have hope - We have Moshiri, we have money, we have a vacant managers position with lets face it a pool of options that DO NOT ALWAYS present themselves when you are looking to replace a manager of a football club. Its quite amazing the talent that is available right now. Some better than others, Jose, Benitez, Koeman, DeBoer, Bielsa, Favre, Pelligrini, Cocu, Howe, Karanka - jeez guys if we get any one of those its surely a MASSIVE upgrade over the last two managers we have had. And yes, they will have more money to spend. Surely we can be positive and excited about what is around the corner.
Yes, Everton do this to us all the time, they offer us false hope. Some of those names I wouldn't want, Benitez while obviously a good manager (he won the CL with a less than average team and Jerzy Dudek in goal FFS!) he is exe Red and has just been relegated so not for me thanks. Pelligrini and Howe I'm not so fussed on, but would take ANY of the others.
Like I said, I'm an optimist, but this is how I think our next twelve months will pan out.
1) We get a really decent manager form a strong pool of options VERY SOON, possibly in place within the next couple of weeks.
2) He brings with him a forward thinking and a tactically and technically sound backroom staff
3) He has money to spend from Moshiri, the sale of players (I really think we should cash in on Rom as much as I like him) and the new TV deal - a revamp of the squad is forthcoming
Now, what I also think will happen:
4) Kenwright stands down and Moshiri becomes outright owner.
5) Goodison upgrade or new stadium announcement.
You can all laugh at me if you like - but this just feels like its all possible to me. Now that Martinez is out, this is the FRESHEST and MOST IMPORTANT new start and couple of weeks in the history of our amazing club.
My prediction next year, if all goes well I see us finishing in the top 6 or 7. Small steps folks, that's better than the last two years. After that, I really believe its onwards and upwards for us, we deserve it for crying out loud :)
Peace. COYB.
274 Posted 12/05/2016 at 21:32:15
275 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:03:07
Lets hope indeed. If Moshiri is serious about investing in the club's future then indeed a good manager could follow, stadium improvements and a general uplift in the clubs fortune.
Personally I would like to see Koeman or De Boer both I think have the skills. This might be controversial, but Benitez I think is a very talented manager we would have to make him eat humble pie first though. Let him beg for the post!!
276 Posted 12/05/2016 at 23:05:40
2. Koeman
3. Marcelino
4. Pellegrini
In that order.
277 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:07:28
No to FdB too much like the last one
No to Benitez, Moyes, O'Neill, Hughes, Howe
No to Bielsa, can't or won't speak English
No to Pellegrino, too old
Would Bill appoint Unsworth if the first two say no?
Cheapest option. Would he pursuade Moshiri?
"You sacked Martinez, I pick the new manager" quid pro quo.
All speculation.
278 Posted 13/05/2016 at 02:57:19
This would be my preference in this order:
1) Mourinho (unlikely, but we have to think along these lines if we want to compete with the best - and just imagine the derby!!!)
2) De Boer
3) Koeman
4) Bielsa
5) Pelligrini/Favre/Karanka - either one of these if we don't get one of the other 4.
Nice options to have.
Ill jump of a cliff if we get Warbuton, Hughes or Moyes.
279 Posted 13/05/2016 at 04:38:39
The more I think about Koeman, the more I like the idea. I was set on De Boer but he has no Premier League experience. So with that in mind, the aforementioned Koeman, Mourinho, Pellegrini and dare I say it even Benitez's of this world are attractive options. Some more than other I agree. I would still take De Boer, or Bielsa or Karanka or Favre. See what I mean. Mouth watering.
But Everton have an opportunity here. The words 100 Million for transfers as well a a 5 million salary for a new, exciting coach, are numbers and possibilities Everton and their supporters have dared to dream about since the inception of the Premier League.
Welcome Mr. Moshiri. And IF we sell the likes of Lukaku and Stones (I would rather not), there will be more money there. And then there is the TV money.
Our club has been crying out for this opportunity for decades.
Lets all see what happens this first year eh? First things first, get he right man in, re build the team with better players in key positions and strenght in depth in other areas of the team, then play exciting attacking football with a good solid defence.
COYB.
280 Posted 13/05/2016 at 08:47:05
281 Posted 13/05/2016 at 09:19:57
The person charged with this will have to be pragmatic, imaginative, demanding and frugal. Add to that they must have a large enough personality to help raise the profile of the club and will also have to despise losing football matches as much as we do as supporters and love winning football matches as much as we do.
We all have our own opinions on who the next manager should be and all of them will have some of the qualities listed above and some will not, but fortunately it's not down to us to make the call - probably the biggest call in Everton's modern history if not in the entire history of the club.
Whoever is appointed, we have to hope that emotions don't get in the way of any decisions, it has to be a proper businesslike appointment. As fans we don't really care if the new guy is going to be best friends with the Chairman, or whether he's a lovely guy who lights up a room when he enters it. We only care about what we see out on the pitch in any given 90 minutes, that's what we pay to see. We also don't care how great the atmosphere is on the training pitch or in the dressing room if it isn't translated onto the field.
Hopefully, this time the appointment won't be made upon a whim of one person, but will be made collectively at boardroom level and with only football related matters being a consideration.
The leaders of the club need to inform the new boss of their aims for the team in the next few years and what is and isn't acceptable and hopefully, nobody on the board will be trying to recreate a bygone era or dream scenarios based on moments from the past, this appointment has to be one that looks to the future and says we expect Everton FC to compete at the highest possible level, no excuses.
Whoever that manager is, whoever is lucky enough to be appointed to take charge of Everton FC can take it on from there - fingers crossed he's successful.
282 Posted 13/05/2016 at 11:28:33
We can't afford a gamble such as De Boer to backfire and leave us further behind the progressive clubs. Moyes knows the club inside out. He made some excellent signing in his time – Coleman, Cahill, Lescott etc and he knows how to DEFEND and organise.
He took us to the brink of the Champions League with the resources back then so I believe he could take us further with the new investment
283 Posted 13/05/2016 at 11:59:50
He needs to build a team from the back. Another keeper, big strong central defenders good in the air, not prone to ball watching. We need a playmaker with Barkley unless he decides to exit as well. It's going to be a tall order for whoever comes as he needs everyone playing to their ability.
So let's hope its a well thought-out appointment by the club based on what they need from a manager. Do we really want other teams' cast-offs, ie, Pellegrini or Mourhino? I would prefer not to see Benitez or Koeman (Southampton were no better than Everton under Martinez).
Anyway, with Moshiri in place, I'm sure we will get the best man for the job, fingers crossed. At age 66 I would take Wenger if he leaves Arsenal: lots of experience hates losing, and plays good football. Capable of clearing out the dead wood, the OAPs and those not good enough.
284 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:24:36
Whoever says that de Boer is too similar to RM is having a laugh. Ajax conceded 21 goals this season and scored 81 goals!!! Stark contrast to any RM team ever!
Personally I think FdB would be a fantastic appointment for ANY club. We should stop wishing for Mourinho as he doesn't believe in youth and would want to buy the talent. We can't afford to do that as we would break the FFP rules.
1. Frank de Boer
2. Koeman
3. Julen Lopetgui
That would be my shortlist.
285 Posted 13/05/2016 at 13:57:08
286 Posted 13/05/2016 at 16:06:58
I don't necessarily agree that these foreign managers offer anything other than being able to spend our money! Why not give that opportunity to a British manager?
287 Posted 13/05/2016 at 16:09:52
Good God man.
288 Posted 13/05/2016 at 16:16:54
He has this season just managed to finish third in a two horse race.
Or if you prefer had the sixth biggest budget in Scotland and finished fifteenth.
Our next manager has to be a statement of intent. Stubbs might be a future manager of Everton, but not the next one.
289 Posted 13/05/2016 at 18:18:50
Please Everton, no more mediocrity. You are a big club.
290 Posted 13/05/2016 at 23:25:36
291 Posted 13/05/2016 at 23:28:56
As we have just found out, you can't organise a defence your not going to win many matches. Moyes was a defender that is why we had one of the best defences in the league for almost a decade. If you don't concede you don't lose many matches.
292 Posted 14/05/2016 at 00:10:17
Please start dialing Jose Mourinho's phone and leave him a message. One of the best club sides in the history of football, one that has a history (unlike Chelsea) has a vacancy you may be interested in.
293 Posted 14/05/2016 at 00:34:21
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