Barkley impresses in win over Estonia

by | 09/10/2015  100 Comments  [Jump to last]
England 2 - 0 Estonia
Ross Barkley turned in a man-of-the-match performance after being handed a starting place in Roy Hodgson's starting XI against Estonia this evening at Wembley Stadium.

It was the penultimate group game for England who have already qualified for Euro2016 and the Everton star laid on the opening goal with a brilliant assist on the stroke of half-time. Barkley picked out Theo Walcott with a slide-rule pass through his marker's legs to spring the offside trap and give the Arsenal man the simple task of tucking it past the 'keeper.

Barkley engineered a great chance to score himself in the second half with dazzling footwork that opened up space for a strike on goal but the Estonian keeper did well to parry his effort behind.

He was substituted with four minutes from the end having done much to further his case for more regular inclusion in Hodgson's first-choice lineup.

Speaking after being handed the Man of the Match award, Barkley said: "I am over the moon with my performance. I was unlucky not to get on the scoresheet but the main thing was the three points and to keep the 100 per cent record going."

Team-mate Phil Jagielka was named among the substitutes for what is effectively a "dead rubber"; England have qualified for France next summer and will be seeded.

Meanwhile, Romelu Lukaku has not been selected for Belgium's qualifier against Andorra, but his younger brother Jordan is in the squad. The older Lukaku is likely being saved for the important final group game against Israel on Tuesday.  


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Kevin Molloy
1 Posted 09/10/2015 at 19:03:18
Show your class, Ross, let's have a screamer into the top corner.
Colin Glassar
2 Posted 09/10/2015 at 19:29:43
I hope Ross gives Lallana a smack in the chops for accusing him of diving in the derby.
David Greenwood
3 Posted 09/10/2015 at 19:34:32
Just put the game on. Apparently this is a great opportunity for Bertrand as the first-choice left-back; Luke Shaw is injured. No mention of Bainsey. Numptiesssss.
Brian Cleveland
4 Posted 09/10/2015 at 19:42:12
It's not actually a completely dead rubber is it? I think England need to win one of the last two to be sure of going into one of the groups as a top seed, although it's pretty unlikely that all the other permutations needed to make that not happen will happen... if you see what I mean? I'm going back to the beer...
Colin Glassar
5 Posted 09/10/2015 at 19:43:05
They've got about five players ahead of Bainsey now David.
David Greenwood
6 Posted 09/10/2015 at 19:44:56
Bertrand has been injured and has not been playing for his club. Galloway has been the best English left back in the league this season.
Bobby Thomas
7 Posted 09/10/2015 at 19:52:01
I think Bainsey's had it as far as England is concerned, personally.
Colin Glassar
8 Posted 09/10/2015 at 20:32:31
Brilliant assist by Ross. As for Bainsey, well the media have never forgiven him for taking over from Cashley, have they?
Ste Traverse
9 Posted 09/10/2015 at 20:38:56
Super pass from Barkley yet the gobshite pundits fawn all over an easy finish from Walcott.
Chris Wilson
10 Posted 09/10/2015 at 20:47:17
I think the media have never forgiven Baines for staying at Everton, Colin.
Garry Corgan
11 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:10:38
This is dire. Not good enough to break down a really poor team.

Not enough pace, desire and guile from the much superior team.

Julian Wait
12 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:11:52
We will see about Baines. Galloway has been great, but Baines was (ahem) phenomenal when on blob – he definitely shortened Cashley's International career by a year.
Craig Fletcher
13 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:19:03
Barkley — best player on the pitch so far. He's been brilliant, if a little frustrating at times.
Julian Wait
14 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:30:03
Barkley MotM surely?
Colin Glassar
15 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:31:19
Ross bossed the game and has been named MotM.
Colin Metcalfe
16 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:32:30
Yeah, defo! Barkley MotM – by a mile!
Julian Wait
17 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:33:12
Who would trade Vardy for Naismith... ? Works his nuts off and seems like an Everton player to me. Can score as well. Would be an interesting option.....
Brian Williams
18 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:37:07
Any one else think that little shit Sterling at times seems to avoid passing to Barkley when a pass to him the the most obvious move?
Harold Matthews
19 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:39:18
Barkley, a class apart.
Tony Hill
20 Posted 09/10/2015 at 21:45:23
I thought he was very encouraging tonight. What a truly great player this lad could be; he's some way from it still but I sense it's getting closer.

I pray that he can do justice to his immense gifts because that will be a wonderful thing to see.

Colin Glassar
21 Posted 09/10/2015 at 22:25:28
He never does, Brian. Baines is another England player who makes the runs but is blatantly ignored by some of his team mates.
Mike Allison
22 Posted 09/10/2015 at 22:32:35
Are the three best English left backs all Everton players?

And would Everton beat England fairly comfortably?

Colin Glassar
23 Posted 09/10/2015 at 22:43:38
The rags are starting early this year. The usual suspects are saying their paymasters, Chelsea, will be back in for Stones in January. Yawn.
Si Cooper
24 Posted 09/10/2015 at 23:13:44
I think this is the next phase in RB's evolution as he is starting to pick the right pass at the right time more frequently now.

The lad has it all; impressive physique, can be poetry in motion at times, classy shooting ability with both feet, ability to orchestrate, still likely to improve, and yet I still meet Evertonians who are underwhelmed.

Tom Bowers
25 Posted 09/10/2015 at 23:18:24
Ross is truly maturing and apart from a couple of mistakes he had a great game. Hopefully he will be rested in the next game so that he is fresh for the Man Utd game in the Premier League.

Still cannot understand all the hoopla over Sterling who is really overrated. Apart from his late goal against a tired team, his end product was time and again just woeful; if he doesn't have it now he never will. So Hodgson, listen up: leave him out.

David Hallwood
26 Posted 09/10/2015 at 23:31:03
BBC gave Ross MotM. Personally I'd like to see him demand the ball a bit more and drive at the opposition from deep.

I still think his positional sense in forward areas is still work in progress, and for me I'd like him to develop into a box-to-box Keane/Ballack type of player.

Si Cooper
27 Posted 09/10/2015 at 23:39:50
I really wouldn't group Ross Barkley with Keane and Ballack, David... impressive as those players were in their own ways. Though I'm not that sure that Keane and Ballack are a particularly similar grouping. Surely Ross is more like the Hoddle / Gazza type of midfielder?
Peter Weaver
28 Posted 10/10/2015 at 00:26:25
The ITV panel tried hard to find fault and highlighted TWO poor passes out of the dozens of 'good' balls he played but finally admitted our man had a good game. Probably his best in an England shirt.

But just think how they would have raved over him had he been an Arsenal player!

Anthony Dwyer
29 Posted 10/10/2015 at 01:02:39
I do not wish to sound like a scenic here but has the England national side and all its members got it in for us?

How can they talk about the left back slot without a mention of Baines?
How can they pick Bertrand over Galloway?
How can they give Cahill the arm band and a start over Jags?

We have been a solid side up to now this season, Jags has been Immense playing next to kids. Chelsea on the other hand have been awful and Cahill has been embarrassing. It just seems to me that we are completely over-looked at any given chance.

Even Ross Barkley wasn't mentioned in the talk about the goal, you would think Walcott created the opportunity for himself. I can't help but feel that if that pass were provided by Lallana or Milner the whole emphasis would have been on them.

Again, I might sound as though I'm just bitter or something but I think our boys need to be shown more respect.

Oh an Woy is a plant pot.

Mike Galley
30 Posted 10/10/2015 at 02:32:01
Anthony, I don't think it's anti-EFC thing as such, I think it's more a lack of basic football knowledge. England played a game against Italy in last years World Cup, Italy targeted our left because Hodgson offered no protection on that side from the midfield.

They scored two goals from that side and Bainesy got slaughtered. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Leighton is a great defensive left back, but the England manager setting the team a little better might have helped.

Brian Porter
31 Posted 10/10/2015 at 02:32:27
I agree that we are totally ignored by the media. If Baines played for any other club, the media would be saying things like, "Of course, things should look more settled for England when first choice left back Leighton Baines returns from injury." Do they ignore Rooney because he's injured?

And yes, it was criminal of Hodgson to pick Cahill ahead of Jags, and make him bloody captain too! His club form has been diabolical this season, while Jags has been awesome in almost every game. Bertrand's selection was a joke, surely.

William Cartwright
32 Posted 10/10/2015 at 04:46:59
Mike Galley (30),

Yes, it is an anti-Everton thing... Yes, yes, yes. Evertonians should wake up and realize the massive value that biased media coverage does to solidify and perpetuate the vested interests of the stable big four.

The BBC, Sky, the vast majority of the press, including the Liverpool Echo, don't just fawn over the Redshites, Manure, The Arse and Chelski in that order of preference the dislike Man City because they have crashed the party with cash, which is a tad vulgar. However the anti-Everton bias takes it to an unprecedented level. Everton must appoint a media manager who can create an alternative spin.

We have out-performed every other club with our community services; we have (if ever selected) provided an axis of English and British players to counter the influx of overseas imports which, love them or hate them, have undermined the national identity of the English team.

How a MotM performance by Ross can be eschewed in the way done by the pundits is beyond me; it's a bloody disgrace. Rant over... but the battle to increase the awareness of the qualities of Everton FC goes on.

Julian Wait
33 Posted 10/10/2015 at 05:22:37
I don't think box-to-box really works any more. The game has moved on. It's more about moving the ball, as a team, and when possible countering with quick forwards and an attacking midfield.
Sam Hoare
34 Posted 10/10/2015 at 07:47:49
Last season I convinced myself that Barkley lacked fundamental creativity and vision that would stop him from ever becoming top class. So glad I was wrong.

The lad has stepped up to a new level this season. Still makes mistakes but he is seeing passes and executing far better and higher quality moves. Assists and goals to prove it.

Anthony Dwyer
35 Posted 10/10/2015 at 09:02:44
Mike, Brian and William,

I can't help but feel English players are almost forced to leave us to further their international careers. Look at Clyne, he was great at Southampton, moved to the Red Shite, looks a shadow of himself and is an instant first choice. Same for Ings, granted he's done the U21 thing but surly Berahino has proved a better forward and is also better in wide areas.

Back to us, if Gomez across the park had put in Galloway's performances he would have started over Bertrand. Luke Shaw was spoken of in the highest of regards last week by Woy, claiming he would have shown the whole of Europe he was the best left back around in the Championships. Come on, this man is the England manager and he needs me to explain to him that Shaw is not even the best left back in the north west of England.

Baines has a record that is up there with any full back in Europe and almost any winger when it comes to chances created. So if he had moved to Man Utd, I can't help but feel this would not have gone unnoticed, and he would be nailed on to walk straight back into the England team as soon as his injuries permit.

Move back around to Jags: he has a 19-year-old lad at left back, a 21-year-old beside him (until recently when he's had an Argentinian next to him whilst the stamp on his passport was still wet), and recently had a 22-year-old at right back. All that and he has still been England's most consistent defender by a mile. If Stones and Jags were together at one of the so-called top 4 clubs, they would be nailed on for the Championships too.

Lescott too suffered whilst he was at us, competing with Jags for a slot in the squad whilst never standing a chance of playing. Mark Hughes took him for silly money to Man City and all of a sudden he's an international. It stinks to the high heavens of a kind of witch hunt were English players are forced from their clubs who nurtured them to become top players before being made to request transfers to suit the media uprise.

Brian Porter
36 Posted 10/10/2015 at 09:19:45
Anthony (#35), you make some great points, most of which are 100% correct.

As England manager, Hodgson should be looking to play the best players in their positions AT THE TIME, hence no way should Cahill have appeared in preference to Jags, let alone be given the honour of captaining the team. Ross was MotM in a pretty turgid team performance but even so was apparently only a starter because Carrick was injured.

Hodgson needs to get out and about more often and take notice of what's going in the real world of the Premier League. Baines is far and away the best left back in England, if not in Europe and adds an attacking dimension to the team that none of the others possess.

England will fail as usual at the Euros if Hodgson continues with his policy of picking favourites and players only promoted by media hype, eg, Alle, who nobody had heard of until a few weeks ago. Suddenly he's a full international! Unbelievable...

Colin Glassar
37 Posted 10/10/2015 at 09:28:12
There is definitely an anti-Everton bias in the media and I've been saying this for years. It probably has to do with most of the media being based down in London hence the favouritism shown to teams based in that part of the world.

A huge number of media people are either Man Utd fans or support LFC which means there is very little left for the likes of us, Villa, Newcastle etc... We are an afterthought, a minor irritant, a nuisance in their eyes as they'd much prefer to go on endlessly about their Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs etc.......

As William said, even Manchester City are only grudgingly acknowledged because of their enormous wealth. They are still looked on as gate-crashers by the mainstream media. Like an unpleasant smell they have to put up with.

I remember during the 80s, when Merseyside reigned supreme, the snidey comments of some London-based journos and their gloating whenever the RS beat us. It is something that will never change hence their "suggestions" that our top players should be playing for "bigger clubs" ergo, their favourites.

Ray Roche
38 Posted 10/10/2015 at 09:32:16
Anthony, you are not alone in you're view that some clubs are deemed to be unworthy of providing England, or should it be London FC, with players.

When the much lauded Bobby Robson was England manager, he waited until November 1985 before bothering to watch Everton, who were Champions, remember, and then only because they were down the road at Ipswich. This was the Everton that saved his skin in Mexico, providing Lineker, Reid, Steven and Stevens who eventually played instead of the likes of sicknote Robson (Bryan) and Ray Wilkins.

Unless there is an Everton player in the side I don't give a flying one about England's football team. Look at last night, Dele Alli has had four Premier League games yet gets a full cap? If he'd played for Stoke or WBA or even us, would he have been in the Stadium carrying the kit, never mind getting a game?

London FC. Says it all.

Chris Gould
39 Posted 10/10/2015 at 09:59:21
Ross was excellent. My only criticism is that he is holding on to the ball too long when he makes a dynamic run. It's as if he's trying to repeat his Newcastle solo goal. He did it last night and he's done it this season for us. He gets into the box, gets crowded out, and loses the ball.

When he's powered away from his marker and made progress up the pitch, he has to be looking to put the striker through. I think Roy has put pressure on him to score more goals, but in these situations he should be focusing on creating chances and getting assists.

Andy Codling
41 Posted 10/10/2015 at 10:20:19
Its funny, I could turn the TV over and see an England side in any other sport that I've never watched yet I will root for them to do well. However, with the England Football team, I have no interest or respect whatsoever and a little part of me is glad when they inevitably disappoint the nation.
Jon Withey
42 Posted 10/10/2015 at 10:20:28
I'd be happy enough if Ross wasn't picked for England at all and just put in displays for Everton. Leave it to the media to continuously debate whether the latest Tottenham or Arsenal youngster is the second coming.

Woy's unmitigated praise for the ineffective Kane and reluctant congratulations for Ross said it all for me. His highest praise came from Hoddle, which means a bit more for me.

That said, Ross was decent and grew into the game – he was demanding the ball a lot and knitting things together over the park. His glimpses of quality and vision raise him above triers like Lallana and Milner for me.

Credit to Walcott who was genuinely delighted that Ross set him up.

Brian Harrison
43 Posted 10/10/2015 at 10:20:30
I don't just think it's Everton that the media don't show any credit too – it's every club outside the Sky elite.

Any football discussion programme will spend most of the time, talking about both Manchester clubs and Liverpool and Chelsea and then Arsenal. The other 15 teams barely get a mention, unless they have a potential star player then they trot out the usual rubbish about he needs to move to one of the elite to progress his career.

Funny how the Sterling transfer request was handled compared to the Stones transfer request. Sterling was vilified by many in the press for daring to ask for a move away from Liverpool. I Notice they didn't mention that the lad could be ambitious and didn't want to stay with a club who haven't won the Premier League in 25 years. Yet in the Stones case it was said that Everton were holding him back.

The press is full of people who think they understand the game but don't, they are never held to account weeks or months later when what they had written turned out to be utter bollocks.

I know I have mentioned before but 18 months ago, that self-opinionated Patrick Barkley said that Brendan Rodgers could in his opinion turn out to be Liverpool's best ever manager. I bet the next time he is on Sunday Supplement, nobody will mention it.

Colin Glassar
44 Posted 10/10/2015 at 10:44:34
The media condescension towards us will never change, unless we are taken over by some multi-billionaire, as they are devotees of big money. This season there has been a grudging acknowledgement that with the TV billions the playing field is a bit leveller than before. Therefore, the likes of Everton and WBA can tell the media darlings to fuck off when they come poaching our players, and other teams like Stoke, Southampton and Palace can actually strengthen their squads with quality players.

The EPL and the media are in a bit of a quandary here. Do they try and continue to protect their big hitters (overseas fans are hugely important to them) and maintain a closed shop at the top? Or, do they encourage the development of the poorer teams (little overseas interest) to the detriment of their chosen few?

The likes of Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and yes, Liverpool are the teams with huge overseas support so, is it is in their interest to have less marketable teams like Everton challenge their status quo? I don't think so as, at the end of the day, it's all about money and on 'Super Sunday' who would a Chinese businessman at home in Shanghai prefer to watch Everton v WBA or Chelsea v Spurs?

James Hughes
45 Posted 10/10/2015 at 10:49:11
I have just seen that Chelski are backing the special needs one and will come back in for Stones in January, they obviously don't understand NO.

Can we report them if this true??

Colin Glassar
46 Posted 10/10/2015 at 10:54:08
And guess who's starting it all again James? Yes, our old mate the ineffable, Darren Lewis. Agent Lewis obviously got a telling off from his beloved Jose so he's starting early now in order to get the ball rolling. Expect messrs Cross, Richardson, Bates etc.....to soon jump on the bandwagon to get the "Stones to Chelsea" show back on the road.
Eddie Dunn
47 Posted 10/10/2015 at 11:07:11
Last night Hoddle did notice the sublime pass from Ross, but the idiot commentator was just drooling over the finish from Walcott.

Today's Guardian has two journos commending Ross for a great display and a wonderful bit of vision and skill.

Townsend has gone, thank God, but the prick on last night was equally dim. As stated above, on the left-back question, you'd have thought that Baines had never existed!

As for Cahill being ahead of Jags! Ridiculous! Hodgson has watched us recently, surely he will have seen that Jags is in good form whilst Cahill is playing in a mess of a defence. Jags should have got the nod and the captaincy.

Niall McIlhone
48 Posted 10/10/2015 at 11:11:18
I hope Ross is played in the next England match and plays at that level again, carrying his form into the Man Utd match. He's the best thing to come out of Wavertree since Alan Bleasdale!

Brian (#41), I agree with what you say, but I've less of a problem with Paddy Barclay than I have with that Arsenal loving John Cross, who makes me wince when I hear him on the radio. He epitomizes the very worst of the London based journos, who seem to see everything through the prism of the player's ability to play for the likes of the Gooners, Spurs or Chelsea. Cross had the Stones deal pretty much "done and dusted" according to his so-called sources, and warbled on about Stones becoming the natural successor to Terry. Absolute fucking charlatan.

That said, I rather like Everton being a little off the UK media radar. I love to see us stuff the likes of media darlings Chelsea, and it's great to have kinship with our fans all over the world who support our club because they were chosen (whether they know it or not).

Paul Thompson
49 Posted 10/10/2015 at 11:12:07
Definitely the best game in an England shirt for Ross, with some sublime moments of skill. Never mind the occasional media stupidity, look at his own comments, where he was obviously delighted about his performance.

Those who come out with "I don't give a toss, I hate Everton players playing for England" are ignoring the fact that those players want to play for their country and if they play well, it boosts their confidence. Ross has already been very good for us this season; watch his performances improve further now.

Phil Sammon
50 Posted 10/10/2015 at 11:58:40
I do feel like Everton are unfairly treated within the media...but then again I'm biased as fook.

Every team, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea...even Liverpool with their ridiculous list of ex-players in commanding media positions - everyone feels that they are badly done to.

Maybe there's some truth in it. Maybe we're just blinkered.

Mark Andersson
51 Posted 10/10/2015 at 12:05:19
Daily Mail on line has seven articles on Klopp. Even Sir Whisky nose is scared that the German will bring back the glory days for them.

Meanwhile we have Roberto, with no money to spend, etc. Why us eh????

No wonder we have a conspiracy complex.

Nitesh Kanchan
52 Posted 10/10/2015 at 12:49:09
Eddie, it was best thing for us that he was rested after playing in the derby on Sunday. Probably, Hodgson wanted to check on Cahill's form, being a disaster with Chelsea.

No-one else in the squad had much experience to get the armband, as Jags, Baines and Rooney were injured. Maybe Hart deserved it.

James Kirrane
53 Posted 10/10/2015 at 13:15:19
A Freudian slip Paul 46? Let's hope his performances become divine.
Jimmy Salt
54 Posted 10/10/2015 at 13:37:32
Si Cooper @24, To those people who seem more interested in looking at weak points in Ross's game, I just ask: Who they would play instead of him?

He will be a great player soon.

Harold Matthews
55 Posted 10/10/2015 at 14:33:51
Agree Jimmy. I've been guilty of pointing out the weaker aspects of Ross's game but have now decided to concentrate on his strengths.What a player the lad is. Some of his skills carry the "wow" factor.

Improving all the time, there will be many money outfits on his tail next summer but I'll be hoping he'll stay with his favourite club.

Charles Barrow
56 Posted 10/10/2015 at 14:36:01
Everyone is dead right about an anti-Everton bias – the only person who wasn't reluctant to praise Ross last night (including Hodgson) was Glenn Hoddle. I think Hoddle sees Ross as a kindred spirit – like Ross, Hoddle was a truly gifted midfielder who people (manager and pundits) found reasons to criticise rather than delight in his skills. Like most fans I don't notice the other teams players unless they are exceptional. In the '70s and '80s Hoddle always used to stand out in the Spurs teams at Goodison.

Unfortunately the obsession with the new 'big 4' will always mean players from other teams are ignored or sidelined in the media. But what I think is unacceptable is the way the players themselves in the England team seem to have that hierarchy in the way some are reluctant to pass to others in better positions. I may be biased but I've seen it most recently with Henderson, Sterling and Lallana. That is a condemnation, not just of their character, but of Hodgson in not cracking down on it.

Ray Robinson
57 Posted 10/10/2015 at 14:50:43
An example of big team bias is Danny Ings. As my Burnley supporting mate pointed out, he wasn't good enough for England last season but as soon as he moves to Liverpool, even after a handful of appearances, he is suddenly worthy of inclusion in the squad. Did a summer of pre-season training with that lot suddenly improve him as a player?
Dave Pritchard
58 Posted 10/10/2015 at 14:57:46
So right, Ray, about Ings. Who you play for definitely influences managers.
Tom Bowers
59 Posted 10/10/2015 at 15:15:24
Have to agree with a few people that Hodgson's picks do show his sentiment to RS past and present.

Sterling is grossly overrated. His end product is awful despite all his possession. The old saying ''flatters to deceive'' applies with this guy.

Hodgson's picking of Ings, Shelvey, Henderson and Sterling is questionable and his record as England manager can only be assessed on games against ''real'' opposition and so far that was the World Cup finals in which he failed miserably.

Frankly, I would welcome a new man before the next World Cup.

Jamie Barlow
60 Posted 10/10/2015 at 15:21:59
Andy@40:

Why is that?

Jay Harris
61 Posted 10/10/2015 at 15:24:29
Although English, I get much more delight seeing Ireland do well and the genuine nature of the players and supporters who still have that spirit and togetherness that "Ingerlund" seem to have lost.
Hugh Jenkins
62 Posted 10/10/2015 at 15:32:52
Dave (#53).

Strangely, the reverse doesn't seem to be true though. Given Liverpool's current crop of relative mediocre players and the fact that Hodgson was not considered good enough to manage them at club level, why is he picking them when clearly, in the view of many, there are better England players in those positions plying their trade at other clubs?

Andy Walker
63 Posted 10/10/2015 at 15:49:59
The media are not in the business of being unbiased, they are in the business of selling newspapers or advertising, or in the case of the BBC, have a public service obligation to cater for the masses (in the main). The reality is that the audience/market is much bigger for stories about clubs with larger fan bases, so the media will bias their attention towards these teams.

I'm afraid the media and in particular the BBC, has over recent years moved much further away from independent reporting and instead prefers to cater for the masses of people who need to be told what opinions to have. It's futile blaming the media for the situation, they are simply making the most opportunity out of a sterilised society becoming increasingly incapable of thinking for itself.

It happens in all aspects of life, not just football. Business is another classic example, particularly on TV, where the main broadcasters will only deal with stories that involve Tescos, M&S or other household brand names. In other words, it's not the importance of the story that counts but whether the masses will be interested.

I think we need to appreciate the reality of the situation; by continually moaning about the media, we will just get tagged as the fan base with a chip on its shoulder. Let's rise above it, watch and read the shit with a wry smile, there's absolutely no point complaining about it as it's market forces.

Linda Morrison
65 Posted 10/10/2015 at 16:42:43
I didn't watch all the match as I can't stand the hype around the National side but our Ross was the best on show. I think this season, so far, both he and Big Rom have matured. I personally am not worried about Herr Klopp over the road as, if we keep our team together and don't have too many injuries, we will be there or thereabout in May.

As for the rumours, I would be surprised if Roberto is not sitting down with all our young ones in the summer to get them on extended contracts.

Out of Stones and Barkley, I would lose John before Ross as I feel he is going to be our Gerrard in a few seasons. I also think of the two young players, he will be the most likely to stay.

I did like the Special Needs One comment it made me laugh.

On to 3 points against Man Utd now, please!

Tony Hill
67 Posted 10/10/2015 at 17:32:43
Charles (#55),

I think you are spot on about Hoddle who I consider to be by far the best technical summariser. He was a wonderful player to watch and I am sure he sympathises with Ross and his kind.

I also think Hoddle produced a good England side when he was manager and they were unfortunate in '98 of course.

Bobby Thomas
68 Posted 10/10/2015 at 18:34:57
Hoddle should be England manager.
Colin Glassar
69 Posted 10/10/2015 at 19:06:33
I second that bobby.
Ged Simpson
70 Posted 10/10/2015 at 19:30:30
Not really about England but I have to find somewhere to put this thought.

I've just been watching the rugby and it left me wondering... When did refs in football lose control of the game and become scared of players?

If the rugby has done anything, it has shown up Premier League football as being full of petulant cheating little cry-babies, including England. (Tenuous link to the thread!)

Kevin Elliott
71 Posted 10/10/2015 at 19:43:00
I third that Bobby. Hoddle would be a great England boss.

I think that Woy "apart from his bias towards the Sky 5" is totally boring. I just can't listen to the prick for more than a minute.

I for one have lost interest in the national side since that goon took over.

Graham Mockford
72 Posted 10/10/2015 at 19:55:22
The media has an anti-Everton bias? What a pile of nonsense.

You don't think you go on any fans' website and hear the same things? The media encompasses all sorts of opinions and, to me, claiming bias is just victim mentality. The BBC's chief sport writer is an Evertonian.

As for Ross, I thought he had a good game and he has improved massively this season. I had to laugh at Hodgson's interview where he was claiming it was his coaching input had caused the improvement. Fucking delusional.

Brent Stephens
73 Posted 10/10/2015 at 19:55:48
Ged (#67) "When did refs in football lose control of the game and become scared of players. If the rugby has done anything, it has shown up PL football as being full of petulant cheating little cry babies."

Totally agree. Nothing gets me mad more than refs' decisions being challenged by all, and players not immediately moving back 10 yards on a free kick - encroach in rugby and the ball is moved forward 10 yards straight away. Something we should have in football – a no-brainer.

Andy Crooks
74 Posted 10/10/2015 at 20:02:19
I like Hoddle and suggested him as an Everton manager many years ago. He lost the England job through some mad quasi-religious observations and perhaps that was appropriate at the time, but I'd still have him at Everton.
Charles Brewer
75 Posted 10/10/2015 at 20:03:56
My interest in the invariably under-performing England football team is almost entirely determined by the number of Everton players it contains. In the past I have been involved in disputes (always, I think, good-natured) about the effect that playing Ross Barkley in the crappy World Cup had on him last year. The third rate manager, Hodgson, singled him out for criticism when the press had him as Man of the Match, and I contended that this harmed him for the entire season.

I have just seen that the shithouse manager has had another go at the best player on the pitch, Ross Barkley, once again. I sincerely hope that Roberto Martinez refuses to allow any Everton players to play for England as long as that inept but harmful whiskey faced bum remains manager.

Paul Kelly
76 Posted 10/10/2015 at 20:36:44
For those with an interest about media bias take a look at this article on Skeptoid, http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4439

Very informative.

As for the mainstream media, stopped reading all outlets (on a regular basis) when after the 2-2 Derby, when a report stated that when rat boy had just deliberately stamped on KM, reported that he had "turned his own ankle" and barely mentioned the rake down Distin's calf.

Graham, do you come on here for arguments sake?

Andy Walker summed it well (even though he contradicted himself with the first and last sentences of the first paragraph).

Pete Gunby
77 Posted 10/10/2015 at 20:43:37
Hodgson is the perfect manager for England. Boring, inflexible, slow to react and change, too respectful of the status quo.

I'm old enough to remember our national team performances in 1970 and, except for a few isolated games in 1986 and 1998; England has never failed to disappoint.

Paul Kelly
78 Posted 10/10/2015 at 20:44:55
Sorry Andy, mis read your first paragraph.

Statement retracted.

Paul Kelly
79 Posted 10/10/2015 at 20:55:33
Summed it well there Pete, I would add Euro 96 to that list, the last time I thought we had a genuine chance of glory. I lost interest as soon as Hodgson took over.
Graham Mockford
81 Posted 10/10/2015 at 21:14:06
Paul Kelly

"Graham, do you come on here for arguments sake?"

Yes, especially when I see week arguments.

Paul Kelly
82 Posted 10/10/2015 at 21:23:53
Graham,

Fair enough, question answered. But would you care to elaborate?

I personally feel it's the reasons Andy Walker expertly stated in his post. The link I posted kind of explains a few things too, much to the same degree.

Graham Mockford
84 Posted 10/10/2015 at 21:39:15
Paul

I agree with much of what Andy Waler posted. If you think the media don't have an agenda or are not in the business of making money, you would have to be deluded.

But really why would the media have an anti-Everton agenda? And I agree again with Andy; if you get into this victim mentality it you just look like you have a chip on your shoulder.

Ernie Baywood
85 Posted 10/10/2015 at 22:41:37
Agree about the Hoddle references. He was a loss. What gets me is that the guy got the shove for having some beliefs that didn't sit well with people. They were just his beliefs. Why did we even care?

Well Liverpool have just appointed a manager who openly talks about his religion. Can someone ask him what he thinks will happen to us non-believers?

Can we only have CofE managers?

Eddie Dunn
86 Posted 10/10/2015 at 22:43:22
England managers have always been conservative picks.

Clough was too dangerous, and Harry too dodgy, and Glen too way-out.

I do like Glen though... he usually makes sense and knows his stuff. It is crazy that his talents are not being utilised in management.

There seems to be a penchant for foreign managers across the Premier League, to the detriment of British coaches. Just like with our homegrown players.

Patrick Murphy
87 Posted 10/10/2015 at 23:43:12
How many occasions in the last few years have we been on Match of the Day or Match of the Day 2 and our match has either been parcelled up with another game and the other game is the one they choose to comment upon? Or worse still, we have gained a good victory but the focus of the pundits is mostly about the failings of the team that Everton have beaten.

It's happened too many times for it to be coincidence alone and it can only be for commercial reasons despite the BBC not being a commercial outlet. However, the makers of the programmes are most definitely commercial enterprises and Everton not having the money or possibly the inclination to complain are marginalised on a regular basis.

It might seem unimportant but wait until January when the media will be trying to sell our stars such as Galloway, Barkley and Stones.

Harold Matthews
88 Posted 10/10/2015 at 00:12:22
We did get 3 minutes on the Sunday Supplement. Mind you, it was the morning of the derby and they were discussing the various aspects of managers needing time. Brenda, as we all knew, was facing the chop.

When asked about the Everton side of things, the very experienced and likeable John Dillon of the London Evening Standard teetered like a lost soul in an alien landscape.

After touching on managers needing more time than ever, he described how Martinez has recovered from the defensive frailties of last season and, apart from the West Brom goals, Everton are now strong at the back "with Lukaku very exciting and the other striker very exciting (probably Deulofeu) and it's..." He was then momentarily stuck for words.

With a big intake of breath, a puffing of the cheeks and a rolling of the head, he tried his best to be truthful. "Whenever you talk about Everton, it always sounds as if your damning them with faint praise... and you're patting them on the head... and I don't mean it in that way at all. I think the manager is doing a great job and..."

"However," mutters the mischievous journo to his left with giggles in the background.

"But obviously", continued a struggling Mr Dillon, "it will always be Liverpool who dominate the attention of the rest of the world focussed on that city... because they've won the European Cup 5 times."

So there you go. They all know we don't get a look in. We're not world news and we don't sell papers or increase the viewing figures. Personally, I couldn't care less.

Mark Andersson
89 Posted 11/10/2015 at 01:34:57
Good post, Graham Mockford... makes sense. I think we are already labeled as fans with a chip on our shoulders, this whole thread proves it.

Roll on the Manunited game. At least Roberto is not afraid to go for the win against the Red Devils.

Aidan Wade
90 Posted 11/10/2015 at 10:05:50
I like to see Everton players get international recognition their performances in blue deserve but I don't mind it completely if some of our stars are overlooked. The rags (ie, all football journalism) go into overtime when they find an England international not playing in London. Let Galloway concentrate on his game and let Jags stick his feet up and recharge for the fortnight.

Then there's the tapping up that goes on between the payers. "Hey John, what are you getting a week? Jesus is that all? Jose pays us double that – and we get a happy ending in the showers from Diego after the match."

Tom Bowers
91 Posted 11/10/2015 at 12:30:30
I would have liked Jags to have been left out of the Lithuania game given the Stones situation and Man Utd coming up. Whilst we have some decent cover for other positions, the centre back role is a bit thin.
Colin Glassar
92 Posted 11/10/2015 at 12:40:08
We didn't even get a mention today, Harold, despite them saying Ross is a brilliant talent, albeit a bit thick.
Harold Matthews
93 Posted 11/10/2015 at 13:11:34
Cheers Colin. I guess they missed the highly intelligent, perfectly measured, slide-rule pass to Walcott through the legs of the defender.
Frank Crewe
94 Posted 11/10/2015 at 13:16:44
Patrick @82

They've already started. According the the red tops Galloway is off to Manure and Chelski will be back for Stones come January. I'm sure they'll also have Barkley and Lukaku off to pastures new in the coming weeks. It's the curse we carry for having so many good young players.

RM has already shown he won't budge on transfers and I have no doubt that all our top players will be still at the club come the end of the season. Of course that won't stop the speculation. The journos have column inches to fill. C'est la vie.

David Greenwood
95 Posted 11/10/2015 at 13:31:16
Daily Mail saying Barca want Stones. Or if you prefer the Express is saying he is off to Chelsea for £36 million. I'm sure that's less than we knocked back in the summer. And Galloway off to Man Utd. I'm sure one of them is about to come out with Ross to City at some point this week.

Price we have to pay for having so many promising players. We just have to get used to it. These journos get all sort of perks for doing the bidding of certain clubs. It won't stop.

Colin Glassar
96 Posted 11/10/2015 at 13:41:37
If Stonesy and his agent insist on a summer move I hope he does indeed go to a Barcelona or a PSG (for £40m+). ABC as far as I'm concerned.

Everton should slap £40m price tags on all of our young stars now. If anyone's interested this is the starting price full stop.

Peter Bell
97 Posted 11/10/2015 at 13:57:20
Colin, I think we are all resigned to the fact that unless there are dramatic changes in the finances at Everton, then Stonesy will eventually move on. I hope if it happens, it is to Barcelona also, a club that is equal and deserving of his talent and ability, not those jumped up cockneys.

I think RM can also use his Spanish connections to recruit the next Del boys who are surplus to requirements at the Bernabeu and get some Spanish friends in for young Gerry, maybe SR.

Eugene Ruane
98 Posted 11/10/2015 at 14:15:47
Just had a (idle) thought re any possible future bids for Ross.

If a bid comes in and he goes, I may have (sort of) had a hand in him leaving (so might some of youze).

Why?

How?

Well when it was mooted that Rooney might return for Duncan's testimonial, I (along with others) stated on TW that the time for venom and vitriol was long gone.

However I've just realised that my/our civilised reaction may just make it a little easier for good local lads (Evertonians) to move on in the future.

A 100% insanely angry, slavering mad-dog, dribbling and spitting lunatic reaction to Rooney from all of us, would most likely make a young player (the object of a bid) think "Fuck me, I don't fancy that!"

However my/our reaction to Rooney's return would be more likely to make him think "Well they'll be pissed off at first but... I'll be forgiven."

Can't believe this didn't occur to me before now.

And Ross, just in case you're reading this:

NEXT TIME THAT FAT LITTLE GRANNY SHAGGER SHOWS HIS SHREK GRID AT GOODISON, I WON'T BE FUCKING RESPONSIBLE FOR MY ACTIONS, THE BADGE-KISSIN' TWAT!!!

(I know, I know... horse, stable-door etc.)

Colin Glassar
99 Posted 11/10/2015 at 15:09:52
Peter, I'd love Stonesy to stay but unlike Ross, he's not one of us. I was desperate for him to stay this summer but with the development of Galloway and Browning (plus Funes Mori coming in) if we get an obscene offer from one of the European giants then I could live with that. I'd even accept a gargantuan offer from Man City as they seem to have some vestiges of decency left in them.

Ross on the other hand is a different kettle of fish but once again if a huge offer comes in for him then I hope it would be a top European team. I'm hoping he would like to be an Everton captain and legend for years to come, unlike Mr Rooney.

Julian Wait
100 Posted 11/10/2015 at 15:49:42
1. Everton are second class in the media eyes. Fact. You could see it in the Southern journalists eyes when you see them at the game. They're looking for an angle and that's their angle - "who can we speculate about" and "what happens when this team hits the glass ceiling".

2. I don't want our best players to go to any other clubs, and certainly not English clubs.

3. I think Stones is a class above Galloway and Browning - to lose Stones is not something we can ever make up as we would never spend enough money on an equivalent player.

4. Counterpoints: could we improve midfield by selling Stones, and could we replace Stones with Galloway / Browning? And does selling Stones mean that we can keep Coleman longer?

All decisions the manager has to make, but right now, we're in a good position to finish 3rd or 4th (4th may not be a CL spot this year however!) ... if we can start converting our play into game winning goals (which is where another top quality striker would be useful).

I would like to see us keep Stones and Barkley two more years, and bring a couple of fresh midfield players in to supplement McCarthy/Barry and ultimately replace Barry, and a top quality young keeper like Butland (giving us the potential of an England back 5 ...).

We might actually win something - Ross has something we've not seen in an Everton shirt for a while, he's got match winning quality at the very highest level.

Oliver Molloy
101 Posted 11/10/2015 at 16:46:40
Mason Holgate will be the new John Stones. It would be unbelievable if we could keep these two guys so they could play together down the line.

Unfortunately I can't see us being able to hold on to Stones in the long run.

James Hughes
102 Posted 11/10/2015 at 19:28:52
Jags is to captain Eng-er-land tomorrow so good look to him and the boys come back injury free and roll on next weekend.

I am amazed we are playing at 3.00pm on Saturday maybe Sky don't want to show Manure being turned over by us again.

Ged Simpson
103 Posted 11/10/2015 at 19:32:46
I am optimistic too, James.
Brian Porter
104 Posted 12/10/2015 at 08:30:38
Congratulations to Phil Jagielka on being appointed captain for tonight's match. A long overdue honour, I think, and I still don't know why an unfit and out-of-form Cahill was named ahead of him against Estonia.

I also think we should be handing out congratulations to our own Bryan Oviedo, who made his international comeback for Costa Rica and played the full 90 minutes. It's sad that nobody has taken the time to fully. acknowledge a great comeback from a horrific injury. Well done, Bryan. Let's hope Roberto begins to utilise his skills as the season progresses, giving us further strength in depth in defence and midfield.

Paul Cherrington
105 Posted 12/10/2015 at 08:32:45
Everything people have been saying here about the bias against us and Ross is true. When half-time came, I was waiting for the analysis so they could praise him for setting up the goal with a world class pass... but nothing.

As already mentioned, only Hoddle will give him any credit. It is a total disgrace especially as the 'manager' seems to have it in for him still too.

Sterling is total rubbish too: loses it all the time but they never mention that. Apparently he's always 'unlucky' when he gives away possession... and it's true, he NEVER passes to Ross – for the manager to let that go on game after game is shocking. Ross should smack him round the chops next time he doesn't play him in.

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