Mirallas would consider January departure

When Cleverley comes back, there will be even more competition in the midfield. Personally I believe we currently have too many, 12 at the last count, not including Naismith and Kone who play more as AMs, nor any academy or reserve players.

Martinez seems to love collecting midfielders as he's signed 7 of the 12 we have. I'd guess that the likes of Pienaar, Osman and Gibson are in their last season at GP which would bring the number down to a more manageable amount.

Unfortunately, if he moves he'll probably have to take a big wage cut and I can't see it happening. He's a good player but it's not going well for him right now.

We should start him and Geri both.......

Currently we have Kone, Naismith, Pienaar, Mirallas and McGeady even Cleverley who can all play there. Someone needs to grab that position in the team like Deulofeu seems to have grabbed the right hand side.

Mostly his own fault in my view but some blame does go to Martinez too.

This year's Distin?

No doubt Mirallas must think he has played both Cleverley and Besic wide left ahead of him, that surely has told him were he is in the pecking order when all are fit.

I'd swop him for Moses right now, think he plays on the left yeah? Pienaar doesn't look like he'll be able to grab that wing back so that needs filling.

Not a word in any of his quotes about how or where he needs to improve his game

He should take a lesson from his younger teammates -- Geri, Galloway and Browning -- in grabbing an opportunity with both hands when it comes your way. And performing with it.

I hope he gets his chance, gets it right and stays.

I think on his day he can be as good as anyone in the Premier League and once he gets regular playing time he can be an asset, Unfortunately I can't see it being with us, I very much doubt he'll end up in the Championship as he still has a lot going for him.

As for your comment about Distin, I watched the game Bournemouth v Newcastle and he was the best defender on the pitch in a travesty of a result in a totally-one sided game which saw the Geordies steal the points.

He's 28 ears old. Maybe got 3 or 4 good years left in him before he hits the slippery slope. If he got his head down and showed what he can do on a consistent basis he could be spending them at Everton.

Oh well. If we can get a good price for him he can go and warm someone else's bench.

Lennon just hasn't got started at the minute, Mirallas's season hasn't got got going, and Pienaar has got nothing left of his Everton career in my opinion.

I'd still imagine Lennon will become a regular and knuckle down as the season progresses especially if Mirallas does end up leaving.

I'd be tempted to give Lennon right wing, Mirallas left wing and try out Deulofeu in Barkley's position against Villa.

Maybe Barkley needs a game or two on the bench and throw him on as an impact player if needed, considering Deulofeu has played through two beautiful laser-guided passes from the middle of the pitch, I think I'd like to see something tried out with him occupying that area, especially against what is bound to be a rigidly organized Villa side under Remi Garde.

Let's be honest, Barkley has hardly pulled up many tree's recently anyway...

Still, it would be refreshing to see us having a shot on goal for once rather than trying to walk it into the back of the net. He's a very direct kind of player and an excellent one and that's probably why Roberto wants to keep him.

But I do think he needs more than 20 minutes off the bench to show his talent.

On his day he's an impact player, but I think the negatives outweigh the positives. I can see where he's coming from as regards playing time, but we can't run the team to suit individuals!

We can only wait and see how it pans out. For now, support our players, lift the spirit up and keep it there. COYB.

He has an attitude and I don't particularly care for the lad, but he's a good player and he's currently being wasted.

For example, sell Naismith, Mirallas, McGeady and Gibson. Replace them with the likes of Henen, Ledson, Donohue or whoever shines from the Academy and then go and buy Yarmolenko and Timo Horn.

On top of that, this has come from the Belgian press who seem to like to stir things up as far as our players are concerned.

Any player who puts the ball in the net consistently is worth a starting place or at least a first call as a sub. The two players who get castigated on here are Mirallas and Naismith. They were our 2nd and 3rd top scorers last season with Jags 4th. Barkley is getting a regular start and hardly ever scores or even assists.

The starting front four should be a permutation out of Deulofeu, Kone, Lukaku, Mirallas and Barkley. If Mirallas plays then most defences will be far more wary of him than Lennon or Cleverley. Mirallas is a goal threat and teams will be really worried about dealing with BOTH our Belgians rather than the toothless bunch of others we have.

Agree with you about Barkley, needing a break Jim, and I would love to see our little Spaniard play in Ross's present position and do well. This might be the best way to push Barkley forward, who knows?

He has a manager who praises him to the heavens, he's a scouse kid playing for Everton, and yet sometimes the desire just doesn't seem there. Perhaps another youngster stealing his thunder, might be the key to Barkley, waking up, and going on to fulfill his undoubted potential. Let the players start to bring each other on.

He's been well off the level we've seen from him in the past in my opinion. If we can get a left winger in who will improve the team in January then let him go, but who will want him?

However what I would like to see the club doing in January is getting rid of McGeady, Pienaar, Hibbert, Howard, Osman & although I really like his attitude Naismith.

Whereas in the past he was one of our best players and I wouldn't want us to sell, I now believe he is not good enough to get in our first 11.

Kev has always had a touch of class but I am sick of the threats by him thinking he is better than us somehow.

I agree on Geri playing in place of Ross. Geri seems to have vision, which is great to see, as we all know that he possesses great skill and speed.

If only Ross could see the bigger picture... it is so frustrating watching him try to get a shot away as he side-steps along the edge of the box until he runs out of room, or his greedy runs where he spurns several opportunities to pass before laying off a nothing ball to someone beside him.

He has all of the tools but he doesn't know what he wants to make, or, he doesn't know when it is time to use the plane or the hammer!

Perhaps a rest will do him good.

Strange thread.

He's worth a start for his free kicks alone! There's been a few already this season which I have thought Mirallas would have buried only to watch Barkley or Lukaku put them nowhere!

I'd give him a start in a 4-3-3 against Villa or if he wants to stick with Kone in a 4-1-4-1 I'd definitely give him at least half an hour to show his intentions!

How good does Kevin think he is? Worth? I can't remember top clubs playing Champions League bidding in the summer. I rate Kevin as a player but as a impact player, last thirty minutes of a game. Sadly we can't carry him for the full 90.

My advice to Kevin would be to work harder and when you come on try and make an impact. Stop going to the press and moaning. Sadly you earn what 99% on this forum dream about.

Some people earn peanuts and loathe their jobs but are stuck. In January... still not playing? Put a transfer request in. It's up to you, Kev!

I think it is crazy to sell Mirallas unless we have replaced him with someone better, which we have not!!!

By the way, Mirallas is 10 times better and moves around a lot more than Barkley, plus he scores more goals than him each and every season.

Time for Martinez to play him on the left, where he had his breakthrough for his former club if I remember right.

Mirallas is a top player. He just needs games which is going to be a little hard to come by. Just needs to take his chance when he gets it and keep up his work rate.

But his effort is lacking big time, he's a luxury player.

In my eyes we can only play one or two luxury players in the first team. Especially with the standard of full backs in the Premier League at the moment, always bombing forward.

Basically, who's better, Deulofeu or Mirallas? Currently Deulofeu by a mile actually.

But Deulofeu will play badly; all talented young wingers are quite inconsistent... I think as a previous poster says, Mirallas will have plenty of chances.

Kevin is class. He's tackled foolishly purely due to the frustration of lack of games and an attempt to prove his worth / passion to play.

I'm sure we all know what it's like to be left out and be in a strop. He just has to focus in games when he does get a chance and make every touch count. That's the mark if a quality player. If he's got it it will show.

I for one hope he finds his mojo and stays forever... and ever.

COYB

He is a quality player who, I believe, given the faith that the coach shows in others, could make a huge impact on our season.

He, unfortunately, is competing for the luxury player place that Ross has. I think he deserves a chance.

No point in holding on to an unhappy player who's never going to get a regular place; besides we urgently need a natural left winger or striker. Time to move him on while he has some financial value.

RM doesn't appear to be that keen on Besic also, maybe for the same reason.

Barkley... for all he seems a nice kid, I don't think brains is his biggest attribute.

Only my opinion so I might be wrong on all three counts!

ps: Anyone notice Rom's celebrations against Sunderland? He and the team ran over to Kevin whilst he was warming up. They obviously think a lot of him. He'll come good.

Mirallas is easily a much bigger goal threat – and doesn't waste free-kicks & corners anywhere near as consistently as Barkley.

OK he's been inconsistent – but hasn't played as much as he should have particularly this season. Apart from Rom, he's easily our player most likely to hurt the opposition the way it hurts most – by scoring goals!

Mirallas needs to stay. Deulofeu is fantastic, but no midfielder in our side scores as many goals as Mirallas. When Kone or Deulofeu lose form, Mirallas should come in as a replacement and stake his claim.

I could quote the stats, as I have in the past, but there seems little point when some talk about replacing Mirallas with average bench fodder.

This lad is the biggest waste of talent I've seen in many a year. A goal machine chucked on the scrapheap because he wasn't a big strong No 9 like Anichebe, Jelavic or Lukaku. If he had played the same minutes in their position would he have equalled their scoring record? No, he would have beaten it out of sight.

Sell him, make a couple of million and move on. I'm afraid this is one player who will always frustrate.

The problem with playing Mirallas on the wing is that he's a striker.

Mirallas's record stands second to none when it comes to midfielders at the club. When Pienaar started his spell of injuries, it was Mirallas who played wide left and shone, so why do people think they are having a brain-wave in suggesting he can play him there, he already has! He even tracked back and bailed Baines out; basically all the things that he is accused of not doing.

I am stunned by the collective amnesia that seems to surround this guy. I'd wager the attitude problem is with someone else at the club. I'll give you a clue: he likes to say 'phenomenal' a lot.

A number of his goals came from him running onto, and cutting in from the left. We are crying out for someone in that position, linking up with Galloway or maybe Baines or possibly Oviedo. But who do you drop?

Lukaku (even when not playing well) is undropable. Why drop Kone? Deulofeu has claimed the right wing. Barkley? Will he really learn anything from the bench. Cleverley (when fit) is no mug. I even like to see Gibson get game time. Lennon and Naismith are IMO good players to count on from the bench.

So it is back to an old chestnut of a question (problem): do we really need two DMFs? Do we need both Barry and McCarthy against Villa? Drop one, play one, and bring in Mirallas. We have to break Villa down. We have to give ourselves the best chance of winning this game. I just wish it was this weekend.

I would go 4-1-3-2, one DMF, two wide men, one being Mirallas with Barkley (I would stick with him against Villa) in the middle and two up front. In future games, should Barkley not be performing, then Cleverley comes in.

All conjecture anyhow, as we all know Martinez's perferred line up. McGeady will get a first team nod before Mirallas.

Oh for a manager who could adopt different systems to combat the playing styles of different opposition teams. Not major changes, just little subtle ones, that make a difference... but no chance of that with Martinez; he stumbles on to a system when injuries force him to.

And we have (hopefully a more experienced) Garbutt to come back also to play on the left. Get shot of the deadwood, promote a few youngsters. Martinez will have a very good young squad on his hands for the next few seasons. And Miralles could be part of that. Just think how Lukaku could play should we ever get a top class midfield general. Well, I can dream...

It's crucial for modern day managers to understand, empathise, support and love certain players, but if I was Martinez I would be doing serious damage to KM's ring piece with my handmade Italian brown size nines...

Must be frustrating to train hard each week and not play matches – for any decent player!

I have said this before as well. We should start with Mirallas (L), Kone (C) and Delboy (R) behind Rom agianst the Villains.

Martinez is quite astute and must have made his mind up on Kev's future. I expect that he will be sold unless Lukaku goes first!

Not gonna happen though as Martinez will never drop Barkley and it cannot be doubted that Kone has been playing well and bringing the best our of Lukaku recently.

I would quite love to see a front 4 of:

Mirallas Deulofeu Kone
Lukaku

Round pegs in square holes has been an Everton speciality for many a year. To the 'striker asked to play wide' list can probably add Kone and Naismith - neither of which is really an AM.

Given our striking issues in the past, it is a bit odd that KM has never really been tried out up front. Either way we have a very talented player who isn't being given the pitch time he should, for whatever reason. Whether we should keep him or sell him is a bit of a no brainer if the manager won't pick him regularly.

As mentioned above, after the international break we'll have loads of games up to Jan so hopefully he can get a few starts and nail down a regular place. Deulofeu and Kone are playing well right now but Barkley isn't - however he also now seems to have joined the ranks of the undroppable. Think there are now only 2 places actually available in the side. Once Cleverley comes back it'll be 1!

Can anyone remember his first game in the League Cup against Orient I think. He played up top, played well, scored 2 goals, and never played there again.

I think he could even play the Barkley role and would deffo score more goals than Ross.

Even a cursory glance at our midfield players' stats going back to 2012-13 would show that that just isn't true. Only Fellaini in that first season has outperformed him since he has been at the club. Even last season when he was injured and started a mere 18 games he produced more for the team than his peers.

Maybe that qualifies him as dead weight in your eyes, fine. But I shudder to think what your opinion of the rest of the players might be.

Again and again, he is singled out for this selective criticism. One could just as easily say: Lukaku, Barkley, Deulofeu, Naismith, Coleman, Stones – all inconsistent. Get rid.

He needs to prove he can come again and shove two fingers up to the likes of me and to get the decent move he craves.

As of now, there are certain clubs in the Premier League that would take a chance on him: £50 grand week, a 3year contract and it's the likes of Sunderland, Norwich, Leicester, Villa, Newcastle and possibly a few more that would be interested. I would be very surprised if a Champions League club come in for him – or even Spurs.

Kevin must take his chance when it comes and of course he needs gametime. Although I am not his biggest fan, if I was him and saw Lennon (headless chicken) getting in the side in front of me, I would be upset.

Kevin Mirallas is good player, but has a big question mark over his temperament and Martinez doesn't trust him at the moment, I fear.

Most good professionals just knuckle down to doing their job for the team without any controversy; he makes an awful lot of noise and produces very little in the teamwork department. Move him on before he becomes worthless.

Kev has probably been a divisive influence in the dressing room, which is the normal excuse, so he will be sold. A pity someone else with a surname starting with M couldn't go as well.

Having said that, my problem with Mirallas is that he is always threatening to leave. When he is in the team and playing well, he talks about going somewhere better.Then when he sits on the bench, he also feels the need to leave. So in hindsight, even taking into account his undoubted talent, maybe he should leave.

That's what prompted Moyes to buy him as we were after more quality out wide. And I can only remember Moyes playing Mirallas up front when we were desperate, he usually always played from the right due to us having Pienaar.

But let's not forget here that Mirallas has said he wants to stay and fight for his place, he's happy with us and would rather play for us!

For me, he should be starting on the left! It's just unfortunate that at the start of the season both Naismith and Kone have come in and banged hat-tricks in as he's started to get fit and looking to get back in the side. At the end of the day, you're going to give those a continued run after that. He'll just have to bide his time again and hopefully come in and do the same as those two!