McGeady the subject of multiple loan enquiries

by | 09/01/2016  101 Comments  [Jump to last]
Aiden McGeady was left out of today's FA Cup win over Dagenham & Redbridge as Everton weigh up approaches to take the Irishman on loan.

Roberto Martinez confirmed after the game that three different clubs have inquired about taking the out-of-favour winger for the remainder of the season.

His compatriot, Darron Gibson, is believed to also be available for a loan move this month but he played in today's 2-0 win. Steven Naismith was left out of the side because of an ankle knock.

Meanwhile, another loanee from Everton's U21 setup, Connor Grant, couldn't prevent League One Doncaster Rovers from being beaten 2-1 by Stoke City at Keepmoat Stadium today.

The 20-year-old is on loan with the Yorkshire side until the end of the season.  


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Colin Glassar
1 Posted 09/01/2016 at 17:37:21
Loan? Just cancel his contract!!
Alex Kociuba
2 Posted 09/01/2016 at 17:44:48
Agreed, get rid. He's the kind of player and at the right time in his career to sign for an obscure rich foreign team in a shit league and never be seen again.
John Aldridge
4 Posted 09/01/2016 at 17:52:48
Dead wood, they both need shipping out.

I don't see the point in having Hibbert in the squad either - he's been a great servant to our club but is he ever going to play again? Probably not. Pienaar is borderline dead wood too. Get rid and get some fresh blood in to replace them. Oh almost forgot the obligatory "Flappy Tim" mention too!

Des Farren
5 Posted 09/01/2016 at 17:54:22
"Just"? I know it's the American way Colin, but a contract means just that.
Colin Glassar
6 Posted 09/01/2016 at 18:00:13
Can't you cancel contracts over there Des? Here the labour laws are a bit more Dickensian.
Jughinder Dhaliwal
7 Posted 09/01/2016 at 18:10:49
There's a lot of dead wood that needs to be drifted out the door pronto:

Hibbert, Kone, Howard, Osman, Pienaar, McGeady, Gibson – all these guys are stealing a living literally.
Chris Wilson
8 Posted 09/01/2016 at 18:27:51
Cancel contracts between a player and team here in the US? Not very often, Colin. These days, we "Mutually part ways."

Yes, we CAN be a bit PC at times. And – according to Donald Trump – it is one of many things that is killing the country.
Des Farren
9 Posted 09/01/2016 at 18:50:14
Afraid not mate, not unilaterally in the way you suggest ;)
Phil Smith
10 Posted 09/01/2016 at 19:31:53
Watched the Stoke game and Grant played very well, without being amazing. He can certainly pick a pass and he is quick on the turn. Looks good for the future. Get rid of McGeady tout de suite.
Andrew Laird
11 Posted 09/01/2016 at 20:20:31
Maybe Wonga or Pounds to pocket want him to become a shareholder?
James Stewart
12 Posted 09/01/2016 at 21:14:28
A shame not permanent.
Andy Crooks
13 Posted 09/01/2016 at 21:38:07
Aiden McGeady will be a bloody good loan signing. He is a decent, unfairly maligned player. We have better options at the moment so he won't get in our team. I don't know what he is like as a bloke so I don't judge him but our coach admired him for some time.

Any player needs a run in the side to shine, Aiden will not, fair enough, get it here, but he is a match winner and if I was the Villa coach I'd get him.
Stephen Brown
14 Posted 09/01/2016 at 21:53:04
Good luck to him! It didn't work out here but he never caused any problems!
Alexander O'Brien
15 Posted 09/01/2016 at 22:15:10
Frustrating player, that McGeady with undoubted ability. Sadly though his Everton career to date will have ended with more questions about his attitude and work-rate rather than his ability with a soccer ball. He would be a decent loan signing for someone.
Winston Williamson
16 Posted 09/01/2016 at 22:18:33
Never rated him... worse than Beagrie.
Stephen Brown
17 Posted 09/01/2016 at 22:27:20
Winston – we've had worse than Beagrie? I raise you Oster, Preki...
Winston Williamson
18 Posted 09/01/2016 at 22:40:25
I actually liked Oster, Stephen. I was at Ewood Park once when he ran the show. Think we were wearing pink. Amokachi scored a couple I think!... but I'll give you Preki!
Don Alexander
19 Posted 09/01/2016 at 22:42:06
McGeady was pursued to sign for us for a long time by Roberto Martinez and now he'll likely cost us summat to get him loaned out.

Yes, Martinez signed Lukaku and well done for that (albeit the improvement in his play coincided with his agent, not Bobby, giving him a talking-to) but he also signed Kone, Alcaraz and McCarthy, the last on a questionably huge fee given what he delivers, in my opinion.

The jury is still out on Funes Mori for me, and have we signed Deulofeu or not, or do Barca still have him on the end of their string? Whatever, it nearly all reeks of bad management.

Besic seems to me to be his best all-round signing in terms of cost, ability and potential but there's a long way to go with Mo although I really hope he makes it.. always a place in my team for a tackler with "attitude"!

Kieran Kinsella
20 Posted 09/01/2016 at 23:06:04
Winston, Amo was long gone by the time we signed Oster. Maybe you're thinking of Bakayoko? Anyway I raise you Li Weifeng.

Don Alexander, so your rant is amusing because you admit some RM signings are good but... Others are too new to tell so.... And a couple were crap so you write him off all together? lol.
Don Alexander
23 Posted 10/01/2016 at 00:33:23
Keiron, I don't want to fall out but I accept that Rom's signing, and Besic's, were good. The fact is, though, that Besic has not found favour in terms of playing time and Rom has only come to the party this season since his agent and not the phenomenal Incredible One (I prefer "incredible" because it literally means "has no credibility", as per his track record to date), allegedly advised him a little while ago to sort himself out on the pitch.

Deulofeu... who knows? Barca still have him on a string.

Kone, Robles, McCarthy (㾼mill? My arse!), Alcaraz, McGeady (and after a lengthy pursuit to sign him, if you recall) are all the mark of Martinez.

Bog standard on a (rare) good day.

Harold Matthews
26 Posted 10/01/2016 at 04:52:17
Don. Can't quite agree but hilarious, hahaha. thanks. I needed that.
Stephen Karnes
27 Posted 10/01/2016 at 08:26:22
Don Alexander:

Yes, Barcelona still has their finger on the Deulofeu deal, but he's an Everton player now and if they do buy him back, we make a tidy profit on the deal. Robles was signed for next to nothing at a time when we needed a backup keeper and has been very good for us when he's played.

Martinez's signings so far have been very astute. He's brought in players who have mostly been very good for us and generally spent relatively little money to do so. The only player you mentioned that we spent very much money (if any) on is McCarthy who has been excellent for us and is integral to the Martinez system.

Martinez's tactics sometimes drive me up the wall, but his signing record has thus far been the highlight of his tenure at the club.

Craig Fletcher
28 Posted 10/01/2016 at 08:45:31
So, Don, what do you think of RM signing Gareth Barry? Is the jury still out for you on him too?

For what it's worth, even his critics would surely have to admit RM has had more hits than misses in his transfers to date. The only ones so far that clearly haven't worked out are McGeady and Alcaraz.

As for McCarthy's transfer value..... is £13M (I don't think it was £16M as you stated) for a first-teamer who is still only 25 years old really that outlandish a transfer fee these days?

Winston Williamson
29 Posted 10/01/2016 at 08:58:08
Kieron, yes you're right. It was Bakayoko.
Andy Codling
30 Posted 10/01/2016 at 09:02:15
John (#3), I would be "loyal' if I was an average player getting paid a fortune!
Jon Withey
31 Posted 10/01/2016 at 09:32:41
Loan means somebody else paying his wages so I'm not sure on the negative there.

Cleverly, Besic, Funes Mori, Lukaku, Galloway, Barry, Deulofeu have all been good signings – give the guy a break.

Lennon and Robles are fine.

McGeady and Alcaraz... not so much.

Kevin O'Regan
32 Posted 10/01/2016 at 10:01:27
A loan for McGeady is a good idea for all (if we can't sell him).

Steve Jones
34 Posted 10/01/2016 at 10:52:27
Winston (#24). Kieron's right that Oster & Amokachi weren't at Everton at the same time but the game Bakayoko scored 2 at Blackburn didn't involve Oster & we wore yellow.

Only other game v Blackburn Oster played in, I recall we lost 2-3 with Speed & Ferguson scoring.

Phil McKeown
35 Posted 10/01/2016 at 11:05:08
Some Northern Irish posters with no affinity to the Republic of Ireland have written favourably about McGeady.

Furthermore, as an Irishman who does have an affinity with the Republic of Ireland, I think he is shite. He has always flattered to deceive with no end product. He was the same at Celtic years ago and is still the same. The Irish Billy Elliott!

That doesn't mean I attack those with an alternative viewpoint than my own.

Kevin Tully
49 Posted 10/01/2016 at 12:46:44
Hahaha - Don Alexander, I've read some whoppers on this site, but this "Yes, Martinez signed Lukaku and well done for that (albeit the improvement in his play coincided with his agent, not Bobby, giviing him a talking-to") has to be the best thing I've ever read on here.

It's definitely the first time I've heard about an agent improving a player's game. I must remember to skip past anything you post in the future, but thanks for the laughs.

Oliver Molloy
50 Posted 10/01/2016 at 12:55:01
Colin, Why would you want to cancel a contract when you could get a player out on loan, it makes good business sense to me.

Let's try and get something back for our investment in the player at least.

Teddy Bertin
51 Posted 10/01/2016 at 12:56:49
Some right entertaining old rubbish being written here! McGreedy was worth a punt, a lot of people (before he arrived) raved on what a wasted talent the lad was and people still say that he is a brilliant technical player in training. For whatever reason, his performances on the field for us have largely been uninspired.

I think he would have had something to offer to the squad but, since Lennon arrived, getting the best out of McGeady just isn't a priority anymore and I don't think anyone would argue that Lennon is bad addition to the squad. Let him go and free up some wages.
Stephen Brown
52 Posted 10/01/2016 at 13:03:23
Spot on, Teddy! He was worth a go; it didn't work out!
Paul Tran
53 Posted 10/01/2016 at 13:07:54
Now, now, Kevin, this is ToffeeWeb, where everyone knows that bad things happen because of Martinez and good things happen in spite of Martinez. Hilarious stuff, though!
Colin Glassar
55 Posted 10/01/2016 at 14:27:38
Oliver, maybe because we would probably continue to pay his wages while he is out on loan?
Oliver Molloy
57 Posted 10/01/2016 at 14:42:56
He's not Lukaku, Colin... that simply is not going to happen.

And even if it was the case, we would be better doing that if we could get a transfer fee for him if he did well.
Brent Stephens
58 Posted 10/01/2016 at 14:48:43
Kevin (#42),

It was Lukaku himself who said his new agent was instrumental in his turnaround in attitude and therefore performance. Not by showing him how to do it but by telling him he needed to man-up.
Kieran Kinsella
61 Posted 10/01/2016 at 15:04:12
I agree McGeady was worth a punt but I also agree he's been rubbish. Also, like McGeady, I'm not Irish born but of Irish heritage. Not sure if that disqualifies me from being on ToffeeWeb. But I'm obstinate so I'll stay.
Kevin Tully
63 Posted 10/01/2016 at 15:06:29
Brent, you and Don have cracked it! Let's do away with the manager and put the agents in charge. They can decide whether or not we go 4-4-2 or 4-3-3.

His agent may well have told him to buck up, buts that's got diddly squat to do with his performances on the pitch, or how the manager gets the best out of the player.

If you and Don believe that's why Lukaku is playing well this season, then you carry on...

Kevin Tully
64 Posted 10/01/2016 at 15:23:16
Just read that Mo Besic has put down his great display last Wednesday to his nan telling him to hold onto the ball more, and don't pass it to Osman.
Colin Glassar
65 Posted 10/01/2016 at 15:39:27
The cat, apparently, told Mirallas which side of the net to put the pen in.
Brent Stephens
72 Posted 10/01/2016 at 15:57:13
Kevin (#57) – "His agent may well have told him to buck up, buts that's got diddly squat to do with his performances on the pitch".

Kevin, you seem mighty confident about that. How do you know? Lukaku is telling is what his agent said had an impact. You are telling us it didn't. Now, who is more likely to know and who are we more likely to believe?

Do you not believe that what somebody says to you might influence your attitude and thus behaviour?

Shane Corcoran
74 Posted 10/01/2016 at 16:31:00
Anyone know who the clubs are that are interested in McGeady?

Interesting that Martinez played Gibson yesterday and cup-tied him when he says there's been interest in him.

Michael Williams
75 Posted 10/01/2016 at 16:44:41
We would already be rid of McGeady except he turned down leaving when the club agreed to sell him this past summer.

Anyone who thinks signing Deulofeu with a Barca buy-back clause is part of "bad management" just looses everything from me. You don't buy youngsters from Barca without a buy-back clause.

Quote from a commenter above: " ...and have we signed Deulofeu or not, or do Barca still have him on the end of their string? Whatever, it nearly all reeks of bad management."

This is from Sqwaka: "As such, it's not surprising to see La Masia graduates departing the Camp Nou for pastures new in a bid to find regular first-team action. The Catalan giants are clever though, as they tend to put buy-back clauses into any deal that sees a young talent depart the club."

Read more at this link:

Five talents Barcelona have buy-back clauses for around Europe

Colin Glassar
76 Posted 10/01/2016 at 16:47:41
None, Shane, but it's known as rescinding a contract. It happens quite often.
Shane Corcoran
77 Posted 10/01/2016 at 16:54:22
Wouldn't both parties have to agree, Colin?

Would you give up a five-figure weekly wage because your boss, who hired you, no longer rated you?

Michael Williams
78 Posted 10/01/2016 at 16:55:12
You just can't "cancel" or "rescind" a contract unless one party violates a clause that specifically allows for the contract to be cancelled. There are players on every team who are injured or out of form who are collecting wages.

If a club could legally cancel a contract you would hear about this happening all the time. The reason you don't is because it's not legal. Plus if a club could "rescind" a contract then the player would be allowed to as well. Of course this never happens. That's why players sit at the end of the bench or go on loan.

Let's take this to it's logical conclusion. If a club can cancel a contract, can any contract in England be cancelled for whatever reason? No. Contracts are contracts.

Whoever heard of a contract that could be cancelled by a party without cause? Silly.

Denis Richardson
79 Posted 10/01/2016 at 17:03:28
Jon 26 - which bucket would Kone £6M fall into?
Shane Corcoran
80 Posted 10/01/2016 at 17:04:35
Michael (#44), this isn't the first time I've heard that McGeady turned down a move in the summer. Any evidence of this?
Colin Glassar
81 Posted 10/01/2016 at 17:04:45
If its mutually agreed, obviously with some financial agreement, then it can, and has been, done. How many players and managers leave by "mutual agreement" despite having contracts?
Darren Hind
82 Posted 10/01/2016 at 17:06:32
Kevin & Paul,

Lukaku spells it out... what does he have to do – draw pictures?

His attitude has altered as a result the arse-kicking he received from his agent; what more evidence do you need than to get it from the horse's mouth?

Before that chat, Lukaku was not making the most of his talents, he could be lazy, selfish and disinterested. Since that chat, he has bordered on world class... yet you desperately try to discredit the reasons he has given... Why?

Perhaps Lukaku is a "hater" and is making it all up.

Michael Williams
83 Posted 10/01/2016 at 17:07:49
There are two reason why EFC and every other club in the EPL have players on the end of the bench collecting "lost wages."

1. The talent improves and players lose time on the pitch.
2. Players get old or are injury-prone.

This is normal in any sport. Hopefully the club can get as many players as possible on loan or off the books as soon as it can be done.

Michael Williams
84 Posted 10/01/2016 at 17:38:56
Darren and Don:

Lukaku has improved for the same reason every player improves. They are driven, they work hard and do not rest on their laurels and of course talent. For anyone to think it was only because his agent spoke to him that made him great is crazy.

Here are other things Rom has said that has improved his play:

The agent, Roberto Martinez and Lukaku had a meeting pre-season: Sky Football, 28 December 2015:

"He (Rom's agent) has a very good relationship with the manager as well. In pre-season, the manager, Mino and me had a conversation. I had to hear a few things about me in training and what I had to do and from then on it was like unleashing the beast: Go onto the pitch and show us what you can do."

Drogba as Mentor: The Telegraph, 8 December 2015:

"I text him, I phone him whenever I need him. I texted him last week when he was going back to Canada, but whenever I need him I just call him and say: 'I did this ­today, this is going through my mind, how should I do this?' He knows what to say and what not to say and that's what I like about him."

"I saw Didier's determination to win. He was a leader. When the team needed him the most he always delivered, so that is what I aim for and, hopefully, one day I can say I was that type of player.

Rom is actually a very motivated player like all who become great: Daily Post, 6 January 2016:

"I got great because I have determination and discipline. Every single day since I was a kid, I wake up with that. Every training session, I want to improve as a player so I can help my team­mates win."

Brent Stephens
85 Posted 10/01/2016 at 17:52:36
Michael (#53) – "Lukaku has improved for the same reason every player improves. They are driven, they work hard and do not rest on their laurels and of course talent. For anyone to think it was only because his agent spoke to him that made him great is crazy."

Michael, The other two (Don and Darren) will have to speak for themselves, but I certainly didn't say his agent speaking to him was the only reason. I'm simply going on what Lukaku said. And interestingly you actually provide the quote...

"In pre-season, the manager, Mino and me had a conversation. I had to hear a few things about me in training and what I had to do and from then on it was like unleashing the beast: Go onto the pitch and show us what you can do."

Victor Jones
86 Posted 10/01/2016 at 18:01:00
McGeady was very good at Celtic. And he has played some great games for Ireland. Not really sure how he fared in Russia but he came to Everton with sound enough credentials: he was worth a punt. It didn't work out... but I can see him doing a job for a championship team or even the likes of Villa, Bournemouth, Sunderland or even back at Celtic. He was a tricky little so and so, back in the day. I saw him perform in a few old firm matches. He was good, but time moves on. We need better players at Everton.

Talking of poor Martinez buys (or loan deals), what about Atsu? WTF was that all about? For me, the best winger at Everton that I have seen was Dave Thomas. And I don't remember him tracking back much. The worst... hard to say, but was Scot Gemmill a winger? If not, then Ronnie Goodlass. Although there have been numerous duds, in all positions over the years. Far too many to mention. Every club has their duff buy. McGeady is one of Everton's.

But long may Irish players grace Goodison park, and Irish (North & South) supporters embrace Everton FC. The Irish connection to the city of Liverpool and its boroughs is historical and immense. Don't let an ignorant clown on ToffeeWeb say any different. We get that he doesn't rate McGeady.......but to suggest Irish supporters stay away... Incredible.

Paul Tran
87 Posted 10/01/2016 at 18:03:37
Darren, as you know, I don't believe in 'haters'. I also know that Lukaku's agent apparently kicked him up the arse. I also find it a bit far-fetched that his improvement is solely down to his agent and nothing to do with Martinez and his staff.
Michael Williams
88 Posted 10/01/2016 at 18:18:08
Okay, Brent. Not sure why you are responding to me. Glad the quote is interesting. I guess we agree he gives some credit to his agent.

In that quote, one of things Lukaku said is he had to ... "hear a few thing in training about what I had to do and from then on it was unleashing the beast."

I am pretty sure when you hear things in training about what you have to do, it does not come from the agent.

Yes, Rom gives credit to his agent. He also credits himself, Didier Drogba, the pre-season meeting with his agent and Roberto Martinez. In another article he also credited Samuel Eto'o but I am tired of cutting and pasting. My point being Rom's improvement is no different than any other player with talent who strives to better himself.

I was answering the folks who keep manager bashing when he doesn't deserve it. You know, the folks who say "yeah Martinez bought him but he didn't do anything to make him better." Crap like that.

Brent Stephens
89 Posted 10/01/2016 at 18:28:26
Michael, I know your post wasn't directed at me. It's just that it stated something that went against something I did say, which was that Rom said his agent was one of the people who told him to man-up (my phrase). Certainly agree, Michael, that shouldn't be a stick to beat Roberto as Rom says Roberto was one of those who got onto him.
Roman Sidey
90 Posted 10/01/2016 at 18:48:42
Shane Corcoran, it's a fair question about if anyone would give up a salary just because the boss no longer rates you. Personally, if I were in that situation I certainly wouldn't give it up but, with pride a big thing, I would be seeing if my services could be of use elsewhere.

Imagine training every day and never playing. The Canadian rugby team do that and look at how shit they are.
Martin Mason
91 Posted 10/01/2016 at 18:51:05
To be fair, there'd be no one single thing that pulled Rom around – more a series of things, the main one of which has been his maturing. It's a privilege to see him at the club who must take the lion's share of the credit for his development. Don't forget that in the sea of negativity there are some things that our mongrel club does really well.

I desperately do not want to see this great club taken away by American asset-strippers; we are the last of the independents and the franchise clubs deserve nothing but contempt.

Oliver Molloy
92 Posted 10/01/2016 at 18:58:24
His agent of course knows the only way HE will make some money is when the big fella moves to a Champions League club, hence his conversation with him.

It's all about the money, unfortunately.

Darren Hind
93 Posted 10/01/2016 at 19:38:36
Micheal Williams

Read the posts. I don't see where anybody says the ONLY reason Lukaku is "great" is because of his agent... in fact I don't see the word ONLY used at all (until you introduced it to create a different argument).

As with any footballer, there will have been a lot of people who will have influenced his career/ development.

The thing is – this is where I decided to post – Kevin and Paul were dismissing the point made about the agents contribution as "hilarious"... what are they mocking Lukaku himself? He is the one who said it

This is not about "manager bashing"; it is about the usual people trying to give Martinez all the credit without having any clue what contribution he has made to Lukaku's progress.

Those who want to mock the suggestion that his agent had a big influence on his attitude are simply ignoring all the evidence – and it's obvious why they are doing it.

Patrick Murphy
94 Posted 10/01/2016 at 19:45:42
Martin (#59),

I'm sure you are allowed to write what you did; I too find the Belgians are almost as difficult to motivate as the Dutch on occasions, not the entire nationality, of course – only those that I've had dealings with.

As for the main topic, I don't care if it was the cleaning lady or the Archangel Gabriel who motivated Romelu; however, it is the lad himself who has to do the business and he has done it enough times in the last three months to show that hard-work allied to natural ability ultimately pays off.
Jon Withey
95 Posted 10/01/2016 at 20:02:30
Is Lukaku's agent Jerry Maguire?

I doubt any player is going to give up their contract unless they can get a better one elsewhere – that would be pretty dim. Moyes had Shandy Andy. If Deulofeu goes back to Barca, then we make a profit – so it's much better than a loan and not bad management.

John Codling
96 Posted 10/01/2016 at 20:04:49
Des Farren,

A contract is only binding on the club, the players please themselves. They sign a contract and earn even if they are crap, have release clauses if there club is relegated. So the contract means fuck all.
Michael Williams
97 Posted 10/01/2016 at 20:05:31
Darren you're wrong. Please re-read the posts: I addressed you and Don for the following

Don says the ONLY reason Lukaku's turnaround came about was because of the agent.: " Rom has only come to the party this season since his agent and not the phenomenal Incredible One (I prefer "incredible" because it literally means "has no credibility", as per his track record to date), allegedly advised him a little while ago to sort himself out on the pitch.." see Don Alexander #20. You see the word only in his quote yes?

As for you:

You give one reason for Lukaku's improvement this season - the agent:Lukaku spells it out... what does he have to do – draw pictures?

"His attitude has altered as a result the arse-kicking he received from his agent; what more evidence do you need than to get it from the horse's mouth?"

You rely in the fact that Lukaku in his own words gave credit to his manager. I think we can all agree that this helped. We agree.

The point of my post is to show Don that yes, according to Rom, the gaffer helped his improvement. Along with other factors. Not the agent "only."

I included you to point out there were more factors than the agent. However, I can see now that you may have been saying the agent did have an effect without excluding any other reason for Rom's improvement as Don did. If that is the case I will say you are right.

Dave Abrahams
98 Posted 10/01/2016 at 20:12:54
I've heard that Rom is an avid reader of ToffeeWeb and it was the criticism he received on here that drove him to up his game.

He took on board what certain writers on here were saying and changed his whole lazy manner... and, as a result, started enjoying the game. He hasn't looked back since, so take a bow, ToffeeWeb.

Dave Abrahams
99 Posted 10/01/2016 at 20:17:05
Forgot to add – he also said it was the constant praise from Graham Mockford that had made him complacent.
Graham Mockford
100 Posted 10/01/2016 at 20:23:11
Daren Hind,

There is no doubt Rom has improved massively this year, you look at him now and you have to say, "Is there a better forward in the PL? Maybe Aguero.

But I still object to anyone who says he was lazy; this was just a massive stereotype. Even last season, when he was struggling, he scored 20 goals.

The lad is a model professional, always looking to improve. To think a conversation with his agent is the reason for his improvement is simplistic in the extreme.

Shane Corcoran
101 Posted 10/01/2016 at 20:30:32
Roman (#58), that's all fair enough but if McGeady turned down a move (still waiting on the evidence of this) then who's to say it wasn't because he felt he could make it at Everton?

This reported move would have been only a couple of weeks into the season. It seems that a lot of fans are substituting not liking McGeady to thinking he's somehow cheating us.

Paul Tran
102 Posted 10/01/2016 at 20:49:54
Darren, to be clear, the only thing I was mocking was the idea that the sole reason for Lukaku's improvement was a bollocking from his agent. I do not believe that to be the case. That's it.
Geoff Williams
103 Posted 10/01/2016 at 21:03:39
What a shame we don't have the same success rate as the RS when it comes to signings... or Man Utd come to that.

Tony Abrahams
105 Posted 10/01/2016 at 21:35:33
I know it can get a bit stupid, but in the article I read, then Lukaku's agent should take a lot of credit also for his transformation. He said that the only mans word he has always took was his fathers, and when the agent spoke, his dad just kept on saying, yes, yes, yes! (Honest).

Then he started talking to Romelu, and telling him he had to stop playing like a big girl. It wasn't easy to take, he said, but then the agent started going on about goals, goals, goals, (stop saying yes everyone) and he knew the man was right.

To Lukaku's credit, he trained all summer, even doing the most simplistic of routines of kicking a ball against a wall, to control the rebound. His touch has improved we can't stop saying yes, and even his biggest doubters have got back onside. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the same thing could happen to our manager? But who would get the credit then!

Michael Williams
106 Posted 10/01/2016 at 21:50:26
Shane #68:

As close as well get for now. Liverpool Echo, 10 Dec., 2015

"Everton were prepared to sell the winger during the summer window but it is believed McGeady turned down moves to Norwich City and Sunderland on transfer deadline day."

Henrik Lyngsie
107 Posted 10/01/2016 at 21:56:53
Dave Abrahams (#65). Good one. If that is the case I wish that Osman would have done the same. He is even criticized when he is not playing. That must have been very motivating and could have upped his game tremendously.
Shane Corcoran
108 Posted 10/01/2016 at 22:46:25
Michael (#74), as I said above, maybe McGeady stayed as he thought he could win his place in the Everton team although I've actually forgotten what it was you said about him not moving now.
Darren Hind
109 Posted 10/01/2016 at 22:51:20
Michael Williams,

Sorry but it's you who is wrong. Don at no stage claims the "ONLY" reason Lukaku is "great" is because his agent kicked his arse.

By talking about "coming to the party", Don is clearly referring to the player's attitude; he does not talk about the guy's pace, ball control, passing ability, goal-scoring record, heading ability, strength. He is talking about one aspect of his game – attitude.

I repeat: You were the one who tried to claim people were claiming the agent was the "only reason Lukaku is great". They weren't, so your argument is moot.

Don Alexander
111 Posted 10/01/2016 at 23:51:22
Been out today so just read the comments above. First I really do respect everyone's right to their opinion cos I know we all care so much about OUR club.

Romelu Lukaku is on a five-year contract and I hope he signs another the way he's come on this season. However, he was one of those quoted last season when in April the players said they'd "played the old Everton way" to get us into mid-table obscurity, away from the threat of relegation that the Incredible One's season-long tippy-tappy bollocks had forced them to eventually confront.

Now we all know that Rom is also a very religious man too and his praise of everyone is in keeping with such a stance. But I think it's fair to ask what has really caused him to transform himself this season, his fourth in the Premier League. He's not stupid and nor is his agent and there's a vast amount of money for them both if they want it.

For what it's worth, had we made any sort of assault on the top of the league, as I believe we should with the players we have, I think he and others would have received significantly increased contracts and the European football they and we all want. That's why I'm angry.

Unfortunately there's one massive reason it's all gone wrong... again, and most of us know what that is, folks.

Roman Sidey
112 Posted 10/01/2016 at 00:02:51
I agree, Shane. Completely.
Gavin Johnson
113 Posted 11/01/2016 at 00:30:56
I've read that Derby, Brighton and Boro are the teams who are vying for McGeady on loan.

I think he could do a job for any of them. He could have still have been a useful squad member for us, as an impact sub had we not signed Aaron Lennon.

Anthony Dwyer
114 Posted 11/01/2016 at 01:10:05
Offer any club McGeady on a free, or make them cough up £125,000 plus we add the same and I'm sure he would walk away.

Too much dead wood at the club: move him, Hibbert and Pienaar asap plus move Osman, Gibson, Howard and possibly Kone on in the same way come the end of the season (if we're lucky, an MLS side may cough up a mil or two for Tim).

I've said it before and I will say it again, this deadwood costs us millions of pounds per season and holds back our youth.

Hasan Noor
116 Posted 11/01/2016 at 09:59:27
McGeady has flattered to deceive but I still think he hasn't had a consistent run in the side. Martinez has bought so many wingers that he was always in and out of the side. Shame we couldn't unlock his talent for Everton!
Graham Mockford
117 Posted 11/01/2016 at 10:02:30

Dave #68

Well I can't say I haven't deserved that one!

Colin Glassar
118 Posted 11/01/2016 at 10:10:14
Good point Anthony, just let him go fo free to anyone who wants him. I also agree that we need a clear out in the summer as we have too many players who can no longer offer us anything on the pitch.
Terence Tyler
120 Posted 11/01/2016 at 14:36:17
Even if we let him go on a free. Will we still have to pay his wages?
Darren Hind
122 Posted 11/01/2016 at 17:59:20
Graham Mockford

40,000 people regularly saw Lukaku put in less than 100% last season.

That isn't stereotyping, it's stating a fact. The fact that Lukaku himself says he has stepped up a gear this season confirms he too has recognised it.

Graham Mockford
123 Posted 11/01/2016 at 18:43:46
Darren

Nice to know you speak for 40,000 people, make it 39,999 as I was there and completely disagree.

Darren Hind
124 Posted 11/01/2016 at 19:00:35
Graham

I'll let you into a little secret . . it's not the same 40,000 every week.

And no I don't speak for them all, I just know that I didn't see any of them wearing blindfolds so they will have seen the level of commitment his agent felt the need to criticise and the player himself admitted to.

The improved effort and commitment has been universally recognised even by you – it was the first thing you mentioned in your post (#69).

I wonder what you put the improvement down to, if (as you claim) he was already giving everything?

Graham Mockford
125 Posted 11/01/2016 at 19:19:15
Darren

I think you are misquoting me. I said Lukaku has improved massively. I never mentioned effort and commitment.

After all he scored 20 goals last season a feat only bettered twice in the last 29 years so not exactly a disaster.

But he is undoubtedly at a different level this year, but of course that level is now probably the best young striker in Europe and the most consistent striker this year in the PL.

His improvement will be due to a whole host of factors which we can only surmise at.

He has been fully fit. Last season he was returning from injury and I suspect a player who is as big a unit he is needs to be at peak levels.

He has worked hard on his game and this is where the whole lazy bad attitude label just doesn't stick. Would a player who's not naturally committed and a grafter really do that?

He has regained his confidence and there were times last year he looked as though he was lacking self belief. Confidence is a huge part of a sportsman's performance.

The team have played to him more, most specifically Deulofeu.

He's maturing as an individual. Surprisingly enough centre forwards are stil improving at 22.

So no, I don't buy the lazy bad attitude tag but of course some of those berating him only three months ago after the Swansea game are looking pretty stupid now.

Darren Hind
126 Posted 11/01/2016 at 19:36:13
So He's "improved massively" ... but didn't have to work any harder to bring about that improvement?

Yeah ... of course, that's what happened.

Lukaku telling the world how his improvement came about, clearly isn't enough for you. He's obviously making it up, just to blow your argument to pieces.

Graham Mockford
127 Posted 11/01/2016 at 20:07:29
Darren,


No he has worked specifically on some aspects of his game based on feedback he received. So he has worked hard on his control and first touch and has tried to be more aggressive. These traits in his game are definitely obvious to the 40,000.

To me this is the sign of a committed hard working player determined to improve and not someone who is lazy with a bad attitude. Just show me when he, anyone at Everton or his agent have ever said he needs to work harder or his attitude is suspect. You won't be able to of course because they haven't.

They quite rightly may have pointed out areas where he needed to improve and to his credit he has taken it on board and is a better player for it. That's called developing and improving as a footballer. I would suggest it's the players with a bad attitude or those that aren't prepared to work hard don't.

Darren Hind
128 Posted 11/01/2016 at 20:45:12
Mockford – "Just show me when he, anyone at Everton or his agent have ever said he needs to work harder or his attitude is suspect."

Lukaku – "I had to hear a few things about me in training."

Martin Mason
129 Posted 11/01/2016 at 20:51:26
Any action by the club that reduces the cost of his contract is a benefit. He's at best a lower Championship level player and was a ridiculous buy for a club like Everton.
Graham Mockford
130 Posted 11/01/2016 at 20:52:01
Darren

What 'things'? Could it have been 'your first touch needs to improve' or 'you play like a woman'?

Again, show me when anybody says he needs to work harder or has a suspect attitude.

Darren Hind
131 Posted 12/01/2016 at 00:54:26
"You play like like a girl!"

If that does not tell you they thought he wasn't doing enough perhaps I was right the first time.

You do need pictures.

Ian Jones
132 Posted 12/01/2016 at 07:23:03
Can't wait for the next episode of the Darren and Graham show. :)
Graham Mockford
133 Posted 12/01/2016 at 10:29:48
No Darren it doesn't.

It means he needs to work on an aspect of his game ie in this case be more aggressive which he has done, it doesn't mean he wasn't trying or is lazy.

Let's put it another way...

John you need to be more aware of crosses being allowed to go over you and be better at cutting them out.

Ross you need to cut out those occasional sloppy passes and improve the defensive side of your game

Gerard you really need to make sure you get more crosses into dangerous positions when you have beaten the full back.

All valid criticisms of three very promising players I would suggest. Do they need to work hard at these areas to become better players? Yes. Does it mean they are lazy and have bad attitudes, well maybe in Darren's world.

Let's hope they are as diligent and display the work ethic demonstrated by Rom to improve their game in a similar way.

Tony J Williams
135 Posted 12/01/2016 at 12:21:38
They fight and fight, fight and fight and fight...fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight - The Graham and Darren shooooooooowww!!

Shane, absolutely nothing but the usual, you're wrong, no you're wrong arguments that internet forums are famous for is here to stay, I'm afraid to say.

(I secretly love it!)

Colin Glassar
136 Posted 12/01/2016 at 12:30:13
I think Graham wins on a split decision. 112-113, 113-111, 114-110. Sorry Darren, you're fired!!
Darren Hind
137 Posted 12/01/2016 at 18:35:56
Graham's latest offering claiming Lukaku was told to be more physical, but not work any harder sounds alarmingly like something you would say in reply to criticism of Martinez... no wonder you are nodding your approval.

I wonder if it will ever occur to either of you that if Lukaku was giving everything and not shirking (as Graham claims). His advisers wouldn't have felt the need to tell him he has to give more; they wouldn't have told him he was playing like a girl...

You guys must have real trouble understanding the very basics of the game if you think a player can become more physical without giving more effort.

Andy Crooks
138 Posted 12/01/2016 at 20:46:58
Lukaku's approach over the last few months has been a revelation. It seems to me, that his work rate has upped enormously and I believe it is because he is fitter and mentally more mature. Also, I believe he has the ability to improve his technique which will make him an outstanding striker. Someone really special.

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