Martinez keen to see Finch Farm development proceed

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Everton are to begin construction on new accommodation block and and extension to the medical facilities at Finch Farm that could be ready in time for next season.

The club are now ready to push ahead with long-planned additions to academy and training facility in Halewood that manager Roberto Martinez says will be a boon to the youth and first-team players alike.

"It should have been started [already]," the Martinez said in the Liverpool Echo. "We have had some delays but that is all done now and the plans have been very, very good and it is something we need at the training ground.

"We will make sure that gets done before the start of next season, or at least be on the way.

"Finch Farm needs to be a place that becomes like a home for the younger players and for the senior players they need to have the opportunity of resting here and having eight hours sleep," the manager continued.

"Especially when we have been in Europe and arrive back really, really late, it will be a really important facility to have.

"To have the bedrooms and extra area for our medical work at Finch Farm is important and it is always behind our thinking. For me, it is a must in modern day football."  


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Adam Smith
1 Posted 03/03/2016 at 00:00:54
Superb. Hopefully now someone can lock Kone in his room on a match day – you can't climb out of those hotel windows!
Anthony Dwyer
3 Posted 04/03/2016 at 00:13:27
Haha, nice, Adam.

Jokes aside, I'm all for anything that can improve results, and keep our facilities up with the Joneses.

James Marshall
4 Posted 04/03/2016 at 00:15:17
I think this really proves that Martinez has a long-term plan for our club. I'm also of the opinion that he should be given more time to develop this squad, despite an underwhelming season and plenty of stubbornness/mistakes along the way.

He certainly has his faults, but one thing he's doing is modernising the old Everton. Something we've been crying out for, for years. Sleepy old Everton being brought into the 21st century at last. Good on him for having the balls to change things.

I'm not his biggest fan, nor do I hate him, but positivity is something he brings to our club, along with forward thinking and modernisation. New money hopefully on the way in and we have many reasons to be cheerful.

Jim Jennings
5 Posted 04/03/2016 at 00:15:24
"Especially when we have been in Europe and arrive back really, really late..."

Cue a hundred "He must be taking them on an 18-30 holiday to Benidorm this summer LOL" posts

Alex Buckley
6 Posted 03/03/2016 at 00:22:39
We building the council some decent accommodation to rent it back off them? Again?

Finch Farm should never have been sold in a deal that mirrors those Loan Shark style adverts with the £1500% apr written at the bottom.

This should be our first signing, do we have a buy back clause in the contract with the council?

Gordon Crawford
7 Posted 04/03/2016 at 00:35:41
I would like to think we do Alex. Or that would possible be the dumbest decision Everton have ever made.
Anthony Dwyer
8 Posted 04/03/2016 at 00:54:47
Don't know Gordon, it's stupid like but with the blues it's up for debate weather it actually takes that particular accolade.
Michael Penley
10 Posted 04/03/2016 at 01:49:40
Didn't Roberto say he only needs 6 hours of sleep a night? Hopefully he doesn't force that routine on the players.
Alan Thompson
11 Posted 04/03/2016 at 03:24:33
How far away do these players live? Wouldn't it be easier to have cabs waiting to take them home and pick them up in the morning. And I know I wouldn't want my young son staying overnight on a regular basis.

If he's that worried about how much sleep they get after European competition matches, then why not stay overnight and fly home the next day?

Ernie Baywood
13 Posted 04/03/2016 at 07:01:24
Alex, we did have a buyback clause every 5 years and I understood that the only change to our terms when LCC bought it was that the rent decreased? So we should get our latest option to buy back next year.

As for "again". We didn't pay for the initial development did we? I thought it was the previous owners.

Personally, I don't know whether FF is a good deal for us or not. I'd just be rehashing work that I'm sure the club has done. It obviously does have cashflow benefits and we carried no risk around the development and, I'm assuming, maintenance. I'm 100% confident it's not as bad as the analogy you gave though.

Is it being reported anywhere whether we are actually building this facility? I would have assumed that LCC would be contracting the builder to our specification... with a corresponding increase in our rent.

Peter McHugh
14 Posted 04/03/2016 at 07:04:08
Hi, Alan.

I think the point is when at Finch Farm they can monitor the sleep. Just like they monitor how hard a person is training they will be able to monitor how much fatigue / sleep someone needs. As Roberto says, particularly important after European away game (if we ever get there again).

Also, sometimes I suspect they will have two training sessions, one in morning and one in afternoon and again very important that in-between players have a sleep. Sending them off home or to hotel to rest does not mean they will sleep.

Peter McHugh
15 Posted 04/03/2016 at 07:06:46
Ernie – what usually happens is Everton as tenant build but then the improvement not taken into account in respect of the rent LCC charge
Phil Sammon
16 Posted 04/03/2016 at 07:27:09
This seems ridiculous. With RM at the helm it's unlikely we'll ever get into Europe again. I don't know about anyone else but after a long flight I want to get back in my own bed... not some fucking digs – as fancy as they may be.
Phil Sammon
17 Posted 04/03/2016 at 07:31:51
The man will do anything except address the obvious.

Perhaps we will have players bursting from their rooms at 4AM:

"BOSS! BOSS! It's happened – I can feel it! I'm in a phenomenal moment of form!"

Craig Mills
18 Posted 04/03/2016 at 08:02:27
Maybe we should be put our efforts into qualifying for Europe rather than worrying where the team will sleep after a long trip, it all seems a bit unnecessary to me and would have thought the money could have been spent better elsewhere.
John Keating
19 Posted 04/03/2016 at 08:32:16
I think it is unbelievably ridiculous.

Ok for the medical facility improvements but bedrooms?

Ian Burns
20 Posted 04/03/2016 at 08:47:08
John (#16), I think you are being a little harsh denying them bedrooms. I know from personal experience after I have cleared away the breakfast dishes and had a good tidy around, I need a kip myself.

It is the medical bit I don't get – surely there is a local doctor's surgery to sort out the odd sore knee?

Jim Lloyd
21 Posted 04/03/2016 at 08:52:10
There is every possibility that Everton will be back in Europe within the next few seasons. It seems to me that the inclusion of sleeping accommodation for the players is a good, forward thinking idea.

It also seems to me that Roberto did not just dream this facility up, it would have been given a lot of thought by the board, certainly the financial implications of "Shall we still rent or now buy Finch Farm" It would mean vital hours that the lads could get their heads down, rather than travelling home from Speke in the early hours of the morning then, either missing a day's training, or having to meet up and train later that day or early the following day.

I think that some posts have just used the news to have another knock at our manager. Well, if this new shareholder is anything like what we hope, either Martinez will be leading us back into Europe, or another manager will, in the next season or two.

It seemed to me, that when we lost the Cup Final, and our deserved Treble, that our lads were knackered. Perhaps if they'd had a coach pick them up from Speke and take 'em to a facility of our own straight off the plane, we may have well won the Cup.

The facility will still be there if Martinez gets the push in the next season or two. The Board have planned this for the longer term not just on the whim of a manager.

I hope he can develop the team and the squad into a very successful one. If he doesn't make, then it won't be Kenwright just leaving things cosy, I feel certain that our new major shareholder will be demanding top performance from everyone at the club.

I think it's much better to have such a facility and a new manager decides to use it, or not, as he thinks fit.

Gerard Carey
22 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:09:56
Do other clubs say like Man Utd or Chelsea have similar set ups, where players stay over after Europe games. Or is this our manager being innovative!!!
Ernie Baywood
23 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:12:37
I have no issue with the idea. An extra hour or twos kip will be handy but probably even better is the club's ability to control the rest of the recovery... diet, hydration etc. Important if they're backing up within a couple of days.

We have an expectation that these lads are professionals and wouldn't do things like have a late night watching tv and drinking coke... but many of us are professionals and I couldn't tell you how many times I've had a late night for no good reason and regretted it at work the next day. They're less experienced than me too.

Darren Bailey
24 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:26:09
Well said Jim, this isn't just about whether Martinez likes the idea or not, it's about bringing the club forward as a whole. It's also not only about the first team it's about the youth and academy boys as well, giving them the most up top date facilities needed to develop.

I think we also have to maybe give credit where credit's due to the likes of Bill (and whoever else is responsible) who have obviously been working quite closely and tirelessly with Moshiri with regards to what they both think is best for the club. In less than a week since the news broke of Moshiri's investment we are now upgrading FF facilities and have a new match day sponsorship with Avon. That's not a bad start. I just wish people would start to look on the bright side of this type on news instead of looking at the negatives and mocking. We have to start somewhere, things aren't going to change overnight. We also have to be realistic, Moshiri is quite obviously the freshest of breath's of fresh air we have had a very long time but it's going to take time for him to do what he wants to do.

As far as Finch Farm is concerned I just hope part of the plan is to purchase it back from LCC and expand and develop it in to one of the best complexes in the country. I'm very jealous of City's facilities and hope we can somehow emulate what they have to a certain degree. FF has something like 11 full size pitches, City have 12 and two of them are full stadium size with stands. That's what we should be aiming for, at least one full size stadium pitch with stands for practise matches and youth and academy games.

Surely FF can accommodate say 8/9 training pitches and one full size stadium pitch? Does anyone know if there's any possibility of expansion to the surrounding land? Just a thought but it's what I believe we should be aiming for. Maybe this is just the start of this type of development.

Alan Thompson
25 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:27:07
I'm sorry, Jim (18), this is not just another knock at the manager, possibly the club as a whole but do you seriously think that most of us believe that Martinez has the clout to approve this without reference to those who control the financial side?

How many games in Europe will we need to play to justify this never mind qualifying first. If it's just a matter of couple of grand then let's go for it. Otherwise, will it be cost-effective?

I seem to remember that Alex Ferguson insisted that players he bought had to live in Manchester hence Rooney leaving Sandown Park, was it?

I don't know if they subsidise mortgages but perhaps it is a cheaper, if not better, option.

I'll be glad when we spend as much time on actual playing details like free kicks, corners and defending.

John Daley
26 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:28:23
Great. He struggles to wake them up when they're out on the pitch, never mind when they're in bed.

Whilst any improvement in facilities is to be welcomed, it does seem a bit weird that a place for the players to get forty winks is viewed as a priority and "a must in modern football" by the manager (When he starts showing the players around these new bedrooms, he better not have the cheek to stress the importance of them keeping fucking clean sheets though. That's all I'm saying.)

I don't see how it "really proves Martinez has a long term plan" (or "balls" come to that). What's stage 2? A top of the range teasmaid and complimentary biscuits? What does it culminate in? Every player being presented with their own personal robotic maid like the one Paulie got for his birthday in Rocky 4?

It's just a place for the players to doss down at the end of the day. Nice enough, nothing to complain about, but no indicator that the manager has some secret master plan to drag the club toward a brighter future.

Paul Mackie
27 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:38:38
Funny what a difference 18 months can make. I remember when Martinez first talked about this, it was about 3 months into his first season and we were sitting comfortably in the upper end of the league. Everyone on here at the time thought it was a marvelous idea and wasn't it great that Martinez was already getting to work on improving the facilities and thinking about things like the players getting enough rest.

Now we've had a couple of below par seasons he's a charlatan and player's bedrooms are the worst idea ever and the money should be spent on a defensive coach.

Fickle bunch aren't we?

Ian Robert
28 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:45:04
I guess someone at the club has had this planned from the building of Finch Farm... it is a "state-of-the-art" concept... very Barcelona type thing. It is all worth the effort if Everton start moving forward and we will all be happy with that.
John Keating
29 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:45:33
Jim,

it has got absolutely nothing to do with Martinez. The bedroom bit is stupid.

I travel the world with my job and I am sure you will agree having a few hours kip in your own bed in your own house is far more beneficial than staying in a hotel or strange place. I don't know where our players live but surely a taxi from the airport home can't be that much longer than going back to Finch Farm.

As far as I know the players do not do a training session the day after any game so getting home in the early hours from France or wherever shouldn't be an issue. There are a lot more problems that should be addressed by the Club rather than bedrooms!

Paul Mackie
30 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:54:25
John – Unless you're a professional athlete taking part in two training sessions a day, what you do in your job isn't really relevant. The bedrooms will be great for when they're doing two sessions a day and needing to rest in between. Or would you rather have players driving back to their homes/hotels when they could be resting at Finch Farm?

"There are a lot more problems that should be addressed by the Club rather than bedrooms!"

The bedrooms were something started by Martinez when he first arrived. I don't think that at any point Martinez has said "Sorry lads, no defensive drills today I'm busy picking out wallpaper for your new bedrooms."

Winston Williamson
31 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:56:58
Not sure about this development. I can see the benefit in attracting further talent to the club (superb facilities being a selling point) and I can see it aiding the youth players to an extent.

I does smack of further over-indulgence in already pampered first-team players though.

Additionally, it must be a precursor to us buying Finch Farm back from the council? It is akin to a private tenant building an extension on a rental house (with the landlords permission). The landlord benefits from the increased value to the property... assuming we are footing the bill..

Ernie Baywood
32 Posted 04/03/2016 at 09:57:47
John, I'm not convinced there's any science behind the theory that fewer hours sleep in your own bed is beneficial compared to more hours sleep in a different bed.

You and I might prefer it, but we're not (well I'm not) being asked to perform to the limits of our physical capabilities.

John Keating
33 Posted 04/03/2016 at 10:11:37
Paul,

If these two training sessions the players apparently have and where they have to have a kip between reflect the physical condition of the players then we are really in the shit.

We must be, and have been for a while, one of the most unfit squads in the league. Not only do we see this week after week but the players themselves admit their training is not based on fitness. So to have to have a kip between two sessions is a joke in the extreme.

As regards to defensive drills. Well, I am positive every supporter wishes we had practised them!

Jim Lloyd
34 Posted 04/03/2016 at 10:26:11
Alan (#21),

If you read the posts, I said that several were aiming at Roberto Martinez. I thought that I'd made the point that the club as a whole (the Board) must have considered and approved the development. So just to be clear, I am saying that some posters have aimed specifically at Martinez; not at the club.

I think that it is a fair topic of discussion as to whether it will be of benefit or not. But some posts were specifically pointing to Martinez as though he was the sole creator and developer.

If the club feel it is to the benefit of the playing staff, they have spent a lot of money on it. All Martinez has done is say how useful it will be.

Tony Cunningham
35 Posted 04/03/2016 at 10:56:57
John (#29),

I'm a bit confused. On the one hand you say that we have an unfit squad and on the other you seem to be saying you don't want the players to rest properly in between training sessions. Most professional runners will have a kip between many of their training sessions. Radcliffe, Bolt etc.

A hard session will wear them out, so seems sensible for the players to be able to eat and sleep and then start again 4 hrs later so as to help improve their fitness levels. On the few occasions I've done 2 training sessions a day a kip or at least lie down is all I've wanted in between.

I appreciate the idea about your own bed being best, it sure is but not if it's a 1-hour drive away and you have an afternoon training session to come back for.

Anything that helps.

Phil Sammon
36 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:04:31
"John, I'm not convinced there's any science behind the theory that fewer hours sleep in your own bed is beneficial compared to more hours sleep in a different bed."

I don't know about that. There's certainly evidence to show that quality of sleep is more important than quantity. It's also factual to say that people generally sleep better in a familiar and comfortable atmosphere.

After a week in Spain would you fly home and opt to stay in a hotel 30 minutes drive from your own bed?

James Marshall
37 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:05:31
It's all very well people mocking this, but it stands up as far as sports-science goes. Not an area I imagine you're all experts in. Tea & biscuits isn't likely to be high on the agenda for a professional sportsman these days – it's not 1950.

Everton is a stuffy old-fashioned club, with what appear to be a lot of stuffy old-fashioned supporters – and I mean that in a nice way. There's nothing wrong with 'knowin yer istory' and all that, but there's plenty to be said for modernising the club. I would urge people to get behind things like this, and actually join in the positivity the manager is attempting to bring to our club – do you think the new investor made his millions by being negative or mocking at every idea thrown his way?

Sleep is extremely important for recovery (that shouldn't be news to anyone) and a lot of the top European clubs have these facilities (that shouldn't be news either) so why not Everton? Or would you prefer us to carry on running a shitty little tin-pot club with no ambition or dare-to-believe attitude?

I'm so sick of listening to all the naysayers on here. Change the record.

Jim Lloyd
38 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:09:27
John, What you, or me find beneficial is probably as different as it would be for any individual. What the club have invested a lot of money in, and taken a lot of expert advice about, is to give the players every advantage that the sports specialists will have advised.

You believe the bedroom bit is a bit stupid. I think it's a good idea but what really matters, is what the club think. As for more pressing matters, it might just be that this is considered to be a pressing matter regarding the efficiency of the players.

I think we will now be seeing equally pressing matters in other areas of the club being attended to in a much more positive way than it has been for decades.

Ray Roche
39 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:15:33
I can't be arsed trawling through all the responses to this article but the planned bedroom idea has been in the pipeline for some time. Whether or not it pre dates Martinez (I feel that it does) I'm not sure but it's no surprise considering other Premier League clubs have embraced the idea.

It's a good idea in my mind, it is also apparently to be used for new youth signings so they'll have somewhere, and more importantly, someone, to stay with and keep an eye on them.

Is this another opportunity to slag Martinez off? What next? Headline..." Martinez takes a dump"... cue.."That bastard Martinez, using our sewer system... piss off back to Spain."

Brent Stephens
40 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:17:23
Anybody know if the likes of Man Utd and City have such facilities and such use for them?
Jim Lloyd
41 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:19:12
Phil,

After a week gorging out in Spain and I lived half an hour from the Airport, I couldn't wait to hit my own pit and snore for England while sleeping off a week's worth of booze and scoff.

If however, I had to get back to football training while half way through my snorefest, I might want the option of kipping at the nearest decent hotel.

Peter Morris
42 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:29:03
I'm totally relaxed about not owning the freehold of Finch Farm. What's much more important is that we have security of tenure and a lease that is balanced in it's terms between the club (the tenant) and the landlord (LCC). My understanding is that LCC bought the land and leased it back to Everton on quite attractive terms for the club, and attractive for LCC against it's cost of borrowing, so good enough for me.

If Everton are paying for the building works for the accommodation block, then this will not affect the rent, as under property law, any 'tenants improvements' must be discounted for rent review purposes.

It is a complete fallacy anyway to argue that owning the freehold is somehow 'free'. If you have £10m tied up in a property asset, then you are foregoing upwards of £500k a year, at least, that those funds could earn you invested elsewhere.

Brent Stephens
43 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:35:54
Can't see why they can't get the Soccerbus home after a long trip. Some of our lads would also qualify for a free senior citizen's pass, given they are "chronologically gifted".
Peter Carpenter
44 Posted 04/03/2016 at 11:37:20
Have Arsenal got one? If so, we'll have it.

Personally, over the years I have caught up with a lot of sleep at Goodison Park.

Ray Roche
45 Posted 04/03/2016 at 12:48:17
Peter, so has the defence.
John Daley
46 Posted 04/03/2016 at 12:52:37
Brent @36,

I know Swansea spared no expense in providing their players with a suitable place to sleep

Link

James Marshall
47 Posted 04/03/2016 at 12:55:09
How come you never see John Daley and Eugene Wotshisname in the same room?
Eric Holland
48 Posted 04/03/2016 at 12:59:40
We are going to buy back Finch Farm.
Brent Stephens
49 Posted 04/03/2016 at 13:02:00
John @42 – if I passed anything like that with somebody sleeping in them, I'd throw them a few coppers. Light bulb goes on in Commercial Dept at Goodison Park.
Harold Matthews
50 Posted 04/03/2016 at 13:18:15
As an ex member of the Air Force and Army, I think this is a sensible idea for the younger lads, especially those who join us from far and wide and feel a bit lost.

It would also be of great help to new signings like Funes Mori, Besic and Rodriguez who would welcome a friendly base whilst searching for a suitable place of their own.

This has obviously been in the pipeline for quite some time but better late than never.

James Marshall
51 Posted 04/03/2016 at 13:22:30
This link on the BBC site is worth a read if you're skeptical/interested

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32276547

Garry Taylor
52 Posted 04/03/2016 at 13:25:19
So it takes 10 minutes to get from LJL Airport to Finch Farm.

Most players live Alderly Edge / Wilmslow / Southport / Wirral – which takes longer than 30min on a clear run.

So the team arrives back at say 1am – travel home and get to bed (say they have a good run and call it an hour) they will be home and in bed by 2am.

To get to training that morning for 9am, they would have to get up about 6.30am / 7am – so approx. 4.5h / 5 hours sleep.

If they stay at Finch Farm they probably wouldn't have to get up till 8am – so 6.5 hours sleep.

An extra 1.5h / 2h sleep for an Athlete can make a big difference.

People can knock the idea, but I feel they are just very short sighted.

Brent Stephens
53 Posted 04/03/2016 at 13:48:50
James (#47) – thanks. Makes for a more informed basis for us to comment. I guess this all makes sense and is well-founded in sports science research.

Colin Glassar
54 Posted 04/03/2016 at 14:00:11
Team Sky (Cycling) carry around the mattresses and bedding for each of their cyclists to each and every hotel where they spend the night. This is to ensure that their lads get a good nights sleep in, at least, a familiar bed.

As Dave Brailsford says, "every little margin we find can prove the difference between defeat or victory". But I suppose for some people their philosophy is summed up by "ignorance is bliss".

Jay Wood
55 Posted 04/03/2016 at 14:01:47
Strewth! The Everton-related stuff that exercises the minds of some...

On this story Roberto is just the mouthpiece for the club. He mentioned the possibility of building a sleeping accommodation at Finch Farm in his first season. My recall is that it was more as a secure lodging for youth players, but that it would also be utilised - as described here - as a short recovery refuge for players between morning and afternoon training, or when returning late from European games.

There is good sports science data behind this (and thanks to James Marshall for the excellent link, primarily on the Real Madrid model that the FF idea is based on, as acknowledged by Roberto in the full Echo story).

Just because Roberto is the spokesperson breaking this story doesn't mean it is exclusively his idea, his decision, his funding or his labour that will turn it into something concrete and real. Nor does it mean this tops his 'to do' list to the detriment of his day job as some try to imply in this thread.

How does the song go...? "If yer know yer 'istory..." you will know that Everton has a long and proud record in taking the initiative in introducing innovative ideas. Innovation doesn't belong only in the 19th or 20th century.

This is a cracking initiative and it gets my full backing and support, whether it comes from Roberto, the board or the collective.

Dan Nulty
56 Posted 04/03/2016 at 14:28:09
I've not read through all the comments just the first few.

What I would say is that professional athletes (and that is what footballers are) factor sleep in during the day, not just at night. It will be extremely beneficial for our players – particularly preseason to be able to do full days with sleep in between and not have to leave the site. Will also be beneficial for the medical staff and coaches to not lose any travel time for players to go and rest – meaning more time for assessment and giving information/coaching.

For me any improvement no matter how small is vital – they all add up. Clive Woodward's philosophy was to make 100 things 1% better.

Harold Matthews
57 Posted 04/03/2016 at 14:42:19
JD #43. Nice one mate. lol haha.
Michael Williams
58 Posted 04/03/2016 at 14:54:54
It does not matter what the idea or plan is. If it comes out of RM's mouth it's going to be attacked by at least half the folks here.

In 2014 City started having their players sleep at their training center before home games – yes they have sleeping facilities. So do other clubs. As every club improves their facilities in a significant way, they put sleepers in for their players. LVG installed sleep pods so his players can nap between training sessions. Southampton has custom mattresses for their players taken to their teams hotels for away games. Making the most of the latest training science is what the best clubs do and sleep is one of those areas. It's common.

Come on. EFC is improving their facilities. Why is this the only club that has supporters that thinks this is a bad idea?


Don Alexander
60 Posted 04/03/2016 at 15:03:54
In fairness to Swansea, there's not a right lot else to do there but sleep.
Don Alexander
61 Posted 04/03/2016 at 15:06:21
As a tribute to the Incredible One I suggest it should be known as "Bobby's Bunk House"............or is that what Goodison's become?
Gary Russell
62 Posted 04/03/2016 at 15:25:37
Paul Mackie,

Fickle after 18 months? I think you need a different definition lad. This prospective new 'hotel' needs a new landlord, pronto, while we are in this fucking 'moment'. I despair, for those of you how constantly type... I despair.

How will we ever reach the goals we all want if we accept and make excuses for rank amateur. What else can you call him, professional?

Gary Russell
64 Posted 04/03/2016 at 15:35:55
Of course the science has been out there for a while. Rest/sleep is key for performance of most thing, especially sports: people

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/32276547

Jim Lloyd
65 Posted 04/03/2016 at 16:20:07
I think that there's enough examples on here to show that some need little excuse to deride the manager, whatever the merits are of an initiative by EFC.

The manager is the spokesperson for the club on a day to day basis and he has given a positive description of the Club's addition to the training complex. He could, of course, come out and described it as "a load of cack."

Brent Stephens
66 Posted 04/03/2016 at 16:29:05
Well said, Jim. This thread is about a new, valuable facility at FF and yet it becomes another opportunity to have a pop at Martinez (not my favourite manager btw).

James Marshall doesn't talk all cack, as his link to the BBC article about Real Madrid's facility shows, which some might just have missed!

James Marshall
67 Posted 04/03/2016 at 17:39:24
Gary @ 60/61

Thanks for your input – I talk so much cack you managed to post the exact same link as me, only 3 hours later.

Back to the drawing board.

Jim Hardin
69 Posted 04/03/2016 at 17:44:59
Seems reasonable and on par with what others are doing. a positive step forward. My question is: Do we own Finch Farm? If we are making a lot of improvements, then I hope the lease is a long-term one with iron-clad renewal rights.

Anything that helps the players in training can't be all bad. As for the sleeping quarters for daily naps, I thought, based upon the comments on the games, that the players were using a half of each game for nap time, anyway.

As for the proposed indoor facility, that would be great for rainy days, but since it is England, isn't that every day nearly? A concern would be artificial turf which could cause more injuries and messes up the way teams play since the ball doesn't hold up as well on that surface.

James Marshall
70 Posted 04/03/2016 at 17:49:25
I would imagine they'd use the indoor facilities for more harsh weather than a bit of rain, Jim. At least you'd hope so!

When I played footy I always enjoyed playing in the rain.

Jim Lloyd
71 Posted 04/03/2016 at 18:28:13
James, amongst a number celebrated Corpy pitches our team played on Windy Harbour in Kirkby, it never seemed to stop raining there and the name was absolutely suited to the conditions! Wet'nWindy!

Jim, we don't own Finch Farm. Liverpool City Council do. They bought it off the developers and our club pay a lot less in rent as a consequence.

Although not linked, the Mayor of Liverpool is an Everton season Ticket holder, so at the moment, the situation is of benefit to the City and to the Club. You're right about the rain. Jim.

Manchester, which is about 30 miles along the East Lancs Road from us has a rainy reputation (deserved!) and from there it's said "if you can see the Pennines (a range of hills going up the spine of England), it's going to rain...and if you can't see the Pennines; it is raining!"

Don Alexander
72 Posted 04/03/2016 at 19:23:54
Jim Lloyd, Martinez can stop me deriding him any time he wants to by winning more matches than he's done up to now. 15 clubs in the Premier League have managers who have been at their clubs for less time than we've had to endure Martinez at Everton. That tells me something about his, err, "ability".
Derek Wadeson
73 Posted 04/03/2016 at 19:34:24
I can imagine some on here if born in bygone times complaining about.

Why do we need dugouts, stands on all sides, floodlights, double decker stands, under soil heating etc.

Times change so should we.

Phil Roberts
74 Posted 04/03/2016 at 19:47:12
I think this is a good time to make a statement.

Liverpool Council paid £12m for the site.

We offer them £13m and buy it back.

1. it is now our to do as we wish
2. we are no longer a asset selling club to keep a positive cash flow
3. Liverpool council get a £13m extra cash to spend as only they know how
4. One of Mr Moshiri's first acts to show we are building and investing and not a significant amount needed.

Good statement of intent. Probably popular and signalling an upward trajectory.

Jim Lloyd
75 Posted 04/03/2016 at 20:00:56
Don, In my view, it depends on what he's being derided for.

Football wise, it's up to supporters to make of him what they will. My view on Martinez is that he is a mixture, part I enjoy and part I find frustrating. I think that whatever fans make of him, the scenery has changed dramatically. I think that with Mr Moshiri here, there will be an onus to be successful. Roberto will have to be successful, or he will be replaced (in my view the end of next season) if he does not satisfy the requirement to either win a trophy or to get into Europe.

But this thread was about the facilities that the club are providing for the players. It seemed to me that he was being derided on here for something that the club had planned and carried out. In other words I think he was being derided for something which is beneficial to our club. But whether it is beneficial to our club, or not. my point is, he is being derided by some for something that he is not responsible for.

That to me is unfair.

Jim Hardin
76 Posted 04/03/2016 at 20:19:34
Jim Lloyd,

Thanks for the information. I was under the impression we rented it after the fiasco from trying to convert the old training grounds into a housing development that fell through to Everton's financial detriment.

The last comment continues to raise my appreciation for British humour. Thanks for it.

Jim Lloyd
78 Posted 04/03/2016 at 20:40:46
Yep. That's right Jim. I think we got a lot less than we expected because West Derby is quite a nice area and house prices can be quite high. So we ended up at Finch Farm after a Developer built the place and the rest, as is said, is history.

If I remember right the rent was a lot more than we're paying now and there was an opportunity every five years to buy the place. But seeing as we didn't have a pot to piss in, we stuck with paying the rent. Then the developers got in the mire a bit and the Corpy bought it.

I wouldn't be surprised if we bought it now we're rich (can't believe it yet! I'm still waiting fpor something utterly doom laden to appear in the Echo about "Mad Billionaire sectioned by his family over insane wish to buy into basket case club on Merseyside...thousands of Blues found weeping into their pints in all the pubs on County Road!"

Si Cooper
79 Posted 05/03/2016 at 02:19:06
"It's also factual to say that people generally sleep better in a familiar and comfortable atmosphere."
Phil, apart from your comment being an admitted generalisation (and therefore only 'factual' for some of the population) surely the idea is for the facilities at Finch Farm to be familiar and comfortable for the players, a home away from home so to speak.
John Keating
80 Posted 05/03/2016 at 06:33:12
Si

Who's generalising now?

Maybe SOME of the players will find it familiar and comfortable to have a kip in.

Tony Abrahams
81 Posted 05/03/2016 at 07:51:51
If you read the article properly, it's as much about the development of the younger players, who need more time on the training pitch, and a proper place to rest in between training sessions.

It's a great decision, and I'm sure moving with the times, it's only going to be replicated by every other club, who have ambitions to be the best that they can.

You can Knock the manager for loads of reasons, but anyone behind this decision only deserves credit.

Hannes Eerola
82 Posted 06/03/2016 at 21:07:26
Yes! Let this project proceed... as long as Martinez is not in charge when it's finished. I hope he's long gone by then. Can't wait for both "projects" to be executed.
John Keating
83 Posted 07/03/2016 at 06:23:46
The West Ham game, like all others both this and last season, proves what a mockery this fucking bedroom scam is.

How do the players need a rest between the so-called two training sessions they do a day??

It is impossible they can be tired as they cannot put any effort into any session to make them tired !

I could understand if we put some fitness effort in and they were totally knackered after sessions... but not only do we actually seem like we are the most unfit team in the league – the players intimate that fitness is not a priority.

Why can't any of our players last 90 minutes plus?

We are an embarrassment.

Alan Thompson
84 Posted 07/03/2016 at 10:16:14
You see, the real mistake was the appointed spokesman not the bedroom facilities. En suites or team bonding?

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