The Gunners were coming off the back of successive cup defeats and had to travel back from Barcelona in midweek but they brushed the Toffees aside with an energetic first-half display.
Everton, by contrast, were slow and uninventive and could have no complaints about a result that doomed them to their eighth home defeat of the season.
"We have never performed in this manner," Martinez said after the game. "[W]e were second best. I thought Arsenal had a bigger bite and more intensity. We looked like the team who’d had an extra game so it was so disappointing in contrast to the performance seven days ago.
“We had a big player missing, Gareth Barry is someone that gives you something extra but that is not an excuse.
“We never got a platform in the game and we were ineffective with the things we were usually good at. Arsenal were better than us in every aspect of the performance.
“When you lose the ball so quickly, you leave yourself open and we never looked like being able to cope with the movement of Arsenal," the Catalan continued by way of explanation for his decision to withdraw the disappointing Muhamed Besic for John Stones at half time. "I thought an extra man in a deeper position could help us."
“But, it wasn’t enough to get us into the game – you have to compete and show the intensity that we had seven days ago.”
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2 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:06:25
Get gone, Bobby.
3 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:07:20
Nice bloke but time to go. Now. Not after the cup run.
6 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:14:38
TWO YEARS Mr Martinez. Two years of crap...and even worse explanations. You've had your chance and blown it.
I want FA Cup success, but not at the expense of our long term future. Sack please!
7 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:22:57
Errrr.. Swansea at home Roberto??
Go back last season and you'll see numerous abject performance levels smattered throughout both at home and away..
You are a believer in your own philosophy, nobody else trusts this team, nobody has faith in the manager.
It can't go on for a third season, if it does then we know where our ambitions will lie.
8 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:22:58
Oh please, we perform in this manner most weeks. Completely sick of it now. Get gone as soon as....
9 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:25:20
Disappointing, they give up after 5 minutes and grew frustrated not being able to close down quick enough, when they did the ball had gone already.
Could the FA Cup save Martinez? Can the players show the correct frame of mind and desire week after week when they have nothing to chase in the Premier League? Do Lukaku, Stones, Barkley etc retain their confidence in the manager's philosophy? Stay tuned!! Same Bat time... same Bat channel. Same fucking result. Uuurghhhh!!!
10 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:25:24
Put Martinez on gardening leave and make Barry player-manager for the rest of this season, it's impossible for him to do any worse than the present manager.
11 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:28:55
McCarthy is not good enough. He is a midfield player who doesn't want the ball.
Cue "he runs and runs all day"... We could sign Mo Farah to do that.
12 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:30:50
13 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:30:50
14 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:50:49
We are not Barcelona, and we don't have the players to do it. Surely the other coaches can see what is wrong, why don't they have the balls to tell him what is wrong? If they can't tell him what's wrong, they should be sacked along with the manager.
15 Posted 19/03/2016 at 16:59:38
16 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:04:16
But we should be grateful that our phenomenal manager shows so much character to come back, week-in and week-out, to give us such incredible after match interviews. However, for most of us fans the only phenomenal reaction to his incredible opinions is how this incredible character is still in a job at our phenomenally incredible club.
Sorry for this incredible rant but I am phenomenally pissed off after an incredible eighth home defeat of this phenomenally incredible season.
17 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:13:04
I can only hold my hands up and say 'Sorry, I was wrong'
I think Bobby has proved that his game-plan is all-too-predictable, for visiting sides, who must be rubbing their hands, with the expectation of an easy three away points.
I honestly also thought, with last week's performance in the Cup against Chelsea, the new ownership saga finally concluded, and the promise of future funds in the transfer market to be available, that it was going to be the start of the new era.
I would go for a young exciting manager, who can get the most out of his players, and one who knows what Everton is all about. In that, I mean Eddie Howe of Bournemouth.
Just imagine what he could have achieved with Everton's resources and training facilities, not to mention the squad we have?
18 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:13:52
Yes Roberto. We noticed. Although I'm sure that's got nothing to do with you at all.
19 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:19:18
You never know... we might win the cup and salvage something from RM's disastrous reign.
20 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:20:14
21 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:21:10
Under David Moyes we were a middle to top team.
Under Roberto Martinez he's transformed us into a middle to bottom team.
22 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:23:30
I'm sure he's one for the future but right now Everton need a manager with stature. A proper name who's been there, done it, and bought the tee-shirt.
23 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:24:25
24 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:28:24
Cannot come soon enough. This idiot has driven me insane.
25 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:35:06
We never looked like scoring 2nd half and the striker he signed for £13 million didn't even get on. Why? If he's worth £13 million, he should be coming on and if he's not then is this a bad signing... another player with no Premier League experience?
26 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:45:56
He managed to chase 50 yards up the field to knock one of their players over the touchline and do nothing more than get them a goal kick. Some may see that as putting in the effort, but that's wasted 'headless chicken' stuff for me.
27 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:46:46
Last 20 mins, players got away with murder, it was as if they didn't realise we were getting beat and we didn't have anyone having a go at them to get the ball forward quicker!
My son, who's 11, and I were talking about the summer and who we should sign... and my son said it doesn't really matter, because Roberto wouldn't know how to get them to play as a team!
I'm truly shocked at how bad we were today.
28 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:52:15
To me, the squad seems to be nowhere near the fitness levels required for the intensity of the Premier League. We only seem to press teams now and again. When we do, we always play better.
29 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:53:01
Derek (#17) Ã‚â€“ I think Moyes and Martinez were both hungry young managers... time for a change and get a highly respected and experienced manager in that the players will look up to and not look at in bewilderment.
And Anthony (#25) Ã‚â€“ 3 centre-backs, including one that brings the ball out with him and looks for a pass, meant we would have more bodies in midfield so we could try to get a foothold in the game so I donÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢t necessarily see that as a defensive move. The players' heads dropped after being given the runaround in the first half and Martinez really didnÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢t get any belief back in the team during his half-time call to arms.
I think the players may be losing confidence in the manager and I havenÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢t said that since this time last year. If we win the FA Cup, and if we get past West Ham, I think we will, then it might be more due to the players' desire for a trophy than anything else.
I wouldnÃƒÂ¢Ã‚â‚¬Ã‚â„¢t be surprised if we beat Man Utd next week away from home.
30 Posted 19/03/2016 at 17:58:28
McCarthy is a Wimbledon-style rough and tumble headless chicken. He's not good enough for a top team. He'd have been okay for the Dogs of War team but that's it.
But ultimately the manager picks the team, sets the tactics, coaches the players. His record at Premier League level shows consecutive years of decline at both Wigan and Everton. He might do okay in the Mexican or Portuguese league but his style doesn't work in England.
The FA Cup should not save him. If we win, his medal can be his Golden Handshake. No one wants to play for a crappy team just cause it won the cup. Wigan fans can confirm that.
31 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:00:54
Your philosophy is insanity Bobby, it's not getting us anywhere, but you don't fucking change. You are ruining the best crop of talent we have had in 20-30 years. Time to go, we will not allow you to take our club to the edge of relegation, just like your philosophy got Wigan relegated.
32 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:02:44
Conceded 28 goals at home, worst record in the Premier League.
33 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:02:57
Galloway warms up for at least 10 minutes and I think "Yeah, bring him on for Baines" who was stinking the place out, Galloway sits down. Deulofeu carries on warming up (looking at Martinez from time to time to see if he wants him on yet) and I think "OK, stick him wide and stretch them both sides or take Lennon off" (as Coleman was at least trying)... but no, he takes Barkley off just as he was starting to get a hold of the midfield.
I hope our new investor can see what we can see. A manager unable to motivate a team and tactically inept. The gulf between the two sides was a chasm today.
Martinez Out! Pellegrini In!
35 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:10:28
Once again Martinez has failed to produce two back-to-back good performances.
I watched with concern Bill Kenwright's comments after the Chelsea game. It was a "Did you see that, all you Martinez doubters #150; Chelsea beaten with some to spare".
It was a hefty defence of Martinez and a mild ticking off of supporter criticism of him. If Bill had spoken in the context of the season instead of wearing his romantic spectacles, he would never have said what he said but unfortunately he can't help himself.
He's got a pre-conceived and entrenched idea of Martinez's qualities quite simply because that's his way.
Our problem is whether Moshiri is a shrewd enough businessman to see beyond the gushing praise that Bill will continuously feed him about Martinez or will he look at the table and maybe have an ear to the ground to hear the views of those who've been obliged to watch so many disheartening games this season.
Today's game on top of its sheer awfulness, I think we had one shot on goal, which is not untypical of many home games this season. Many of our goals have happened in gluts and distort our Goals For stats.
My biggest fear is another season of Martinez a deeply flawed manager who is dragging our club to a permanent lower-half team.
36 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:16:38
We go to Man Utd next where we have registered just one victory since 1992 so that means failure to win there and we could reach mid April still not having reached 40 points.
If this Moshiri has any real influence or ambition, he must make an early impression with the fans who need to know he means business. Forget winning the FA Cup Ã¢â‚¬â€œ we are the worst side left in it defensively.
37 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:17:27
Don't blame Martinez, he picked the team most of us would have opted for and they shat on him and us. All this bollocks of a super-talented squad is just that bollocks. It may have players capable of moments of greatness but the reality is that it is plain ordinary, just as the league table shows.
After praising Roberto for last week's performance, I don't blame him for today's. All I will say is that the team he has created, trained and coached is spineless and lacking in bottle. Tonight, rather than sacking the manager who should never have been appointed, I would be negotiating the transfer of some of the players who have let him and us down so badly!
38 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:19:23
I said after the Chelsea game that our cup runs are simply papering over the cracks. 11th last season and a bottom-half finish this season, with this squad, is simply unacceptable (winning the FA Cup or not) and cannot be condoned.
Mr Moshiri seems to smile a lot but I imagine he's a tough, hard-hearted, shrewd businessman who's not going to plough millions into a club if he can't trust his manager to repay him with a minimum amount of competence. I'm expecting big changes in the summer.
39 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:20:28
Lukaku completely starved of service. The stupid decision to never put the ball in the box or cross it early was infuriating.
Horrible to watch and a horrid result off the back of a good one. Martinez in a nut shell. Just be gone already, I hate being an Evertonian when I can't get behind the manager.
40 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:26:16
Ross continually having to come deep to get the ball and start moves, as there was no-one else doing a job, when he should have been up the field supporting Lukaku.
Seamus deserves some credit as he ran his heart out, Lennon too put in a shift. Baines can go, the number of wasted crosses. Summer overhaul... it's going to be very interesting.
Roberto can pick a player but not a team, which makes it all the more ironic!
41 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:27:19
42 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:29:48
Please fuck off and take your shitty football philosophy with you. We will be lucky to hold on to Lukaku, the heavy hints are already there...
43 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:31:26
Martinez does say phenomenal a lot though plenty of proof!
Not sure about Pellegrini or if he would come to Everton. I mean, he has kind of underachieved hasn't he with the players he's had. I took an interest in him after watching us get schooled at Goodison by his Villarreal team. Although he wouldn't have far to come in his Lamborghini.
44 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:31:30
A replacement manager will be organised behind the scenes. He will join in the early summer. Possibly sooner if the league status is under threat.
The cup run is a brilliant sideshow I don't want to end; but a sideshow non the less.
Rom is setting his stall to depart as he will, with genuine regret and I wish him well.
So disappointing to see all the promise of Roberto's reign go downhill because of his own stupid ego.
So disappointing for all the loyal Everonians who deserve so much better than what Roberto has been able to deliver.
45 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:31:42
46 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:35:26
47 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:36:07
He's had 3 seasons now the project started well but, even by the end of that first season, it was showing signs of collapse and since then it's gone backwards.
49 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:44:25
50 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:45:33
I hope you're right. I couldn't agree more that cup success would only be a massive papering over the cracks.
Obviously Moshiri likes Bill and has been influenced by him greatly in his decision to come here. I'd much rather Bill got real over Martinez and save us all the trauma of worrying whether Moshiri will or won't see the wood from the trees!
51 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:46:43
52 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:47:54
A defender for a midfielder when 2-0 down says it all another damned weekend ruined. Mr Moshiri for goodness sake, step in and put this manager, unfit for purpose, out of his misery and prove your appointment means business and not business as usual.
53 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:54:22
I believe our smiling assassin investor is ruthless and will not accept such under achievement for long. I expect big changes this summer. My choice for manager is Vitor Pereira, as it was before Martinez came.
54 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:54:41
It really is quite simple, as I said last week: if we win the cup, it will be in spite of Roberto Martinez, not because of him.
As many wiser men than me have already said... "Martinez Out!!"
55 Posted 19/03/2016 at 18:55:36
I'll agree though that as a team we don't seem to have anywhere near the fitness levels we had under Moyes.
56 Posted 19/03/2016 at 19:08:14
Our record against Arsenal is shocking, one win in 19 games all competitions & today we were lifeless & hapless. The substitutions were ineffective & didn't cause any inconvenience to Arsenal, who strolled it.
59 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:03:39
I had a good chuckle at your post, I know exactly how you feel. Seeing as we are on a music theme for misery, how about Tom Petty 'Free-falling'? Or Rory Gallagher, 'It's the same old story'?
Anyone else, for anyone else? Might as well make a Saturday Night out of it, seeing as Roberto tried to pour petrol on it!!
60 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:05:20
His philosophy isn't necessarily flawed; it's his interpretation of that philosophy. We all agree that he is trying to mirror the Guardiola way of playing. However, he is neglecting all the hard work that goes into being able to play pretty football.
When Barïa and now Bayern don't have the ball, they work like Trojans to get the ball back. That includes the whole team, no passengers like Barkley or Deulofeu who stroll around, and get away with it, when not in possession. You have to earn the right to play pretty football it doesn't just get given to you.
Martinez's teams don't earn that right. They are lazy, too unfit to run for 90 minutes and let the opposition run at them instead of defending from the front. You look at Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Ribery, Robben , Muller etc... all brilliant players capable of stunning football, work their socks off harassing the opposition. None can be described as tacklers but nonetheless, don't give defenders a minute's peace all game. We just stroll about doing jack-shit, letting teams do what they want, especially at home.
Martinez will never learn. While the players should be shamed by today's performance, Martinez takes total responsibility for sending the team out under-prepared and also letting them get away with shoddy play for the last 2 years. It's totally unacceptable. Martinez has no place being a top level manager let alone being manager at Everton.
61 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:14:06
How can a team build any momentum, when every time we have a good win, the manager changes our shape?
I have heard a strong rumor that Moshiri has been talking to Jose Mourinho. Maybe we could let Martinez stay, to look after the academy?
62 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:21:24
The second sub, was ridiculous though, because at the time we were getting a bit of joy with Coleman around the outside, playing as a wingback.
Why didn't he just let Deulofeu, play in Barkley's role and keep us playing the same way? Because as soon as Gerry went wide, they just doubled up on him, with Gibbs, who had possibly just come on because of the joy that Coleman was getting.
63 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:26:26
Man Utd are a truly poor team who were outplayed by Liverpool over recent games because our beloved neighbours have a driven, tactically aware and demanding manager who harnesses total physical commitment to the skills of players such as Coutinho.
West Ham Utd, along with Leicester City, have been one of the truly surprising teams of the season and, in spite of recently only beating Everton due to bizarre circumstances, are another focussed, energetic team driven by an equally demanding astute manager harnessing that to the skills of the likes of Payet.
In "normal" circumstances, Everton should be able to compete and beat both on a good day etc. But such is the malaise around the club and the team that, on such a big stage, Everton's brittleness will inevitably ensure another "nearly" outcome unless something sensational occurs before then.
And before we start writing off the season etc, keep an eye the Premier League table: we are by no means safe from relegation yet.
For being in this current state, the manager, his so-called staff, and significant members of the squad should be shown the door as soon as is practicable. There is something rotten in the "state of Everton" and to think what these fraudsters are paid makes one weep.
64 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:34:15
65 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:34:37
He's a disgrace. A joke of a manager on par with Mike Walker. Get him out.
66 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:45:23
He has proved time and time again this season and last season that he just isn't up to the job. He is a Championship manager at best. I just pray he is managing another team there and not ours.
"What a manager" indeed, Bill... He is truly fucking shite.
67 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:53:36
68 Posted 19/03/2016 at 20:54:26
Firstly, the fuckwit blames not having Gareth Barry in the squad as the reason we lost. Un-fucking-real. He really is clutching on to anything as an excuse, and to use a slow 37-year-old Barry as an excuse from a fully fit squad is absolutely embarrassing.
He also drivels on about today being "a one-off" and that we were not able to be ourselves?????? Excuse me????? I just assumed that the inconsistent shit we witnessed today was ourselves as Martinez has made that our standard??? And to say this is a one-off, well bugger me daft, I thought I had heard it all...
70 Posted 19/03/2016 at 21:14:40
What's even more annoying is that the interviewer doesn't even bother to challenge any of it, particularly the "one-off" statement which is patently untrue.
Seems like the media and club managers have a cosy relationship rendering these interviews useless. Great work if you can get it!
71 Posted 19/03/2016 at 21:20:15
72 Posted 19/03/2016 at 21:33:18
I have the same gripe around lazy/sycophantic sports interviewers in general to be frank. How annoying is it when they go on about how great certain coaches are (Sky four in particular) when in my opinion most of their success is down to the fact they have millions of pounds to spend on the best players!
73 Posted 19/03/2016 at 21:42:05
Listening to Martinez again today, making excuses about Barry being the one who makes us tick and his miss was such a great loss, just irritates me even more that this man is still in charge of this club.
Martinez Out asap cup win or not.
74 Posted 19/03/2016 at 21:42:14
75 Posted 19/03/2016 at 21:46:16
Results don't lie; we are where we are because of one man. We even blew the League Cup semi-final from a winning position. Time for change, if anyone has the guts to do it!?!
77 Posted 19/03/2016 at 22:03:50
There also needs to be a MASS clear-out in the summer starting with;
2. Martinez's back room staff and his non-league defensive superstar coaches.
We're a joke... we're WIGERTON
79 Posted 19/03/2016 at 22:42:19
80 Posted 19/03/2016 at 23:01:05
The same players (bar Barry) did a very good job the week before, so did they suddenly forgot everything they once knew?
Well, they did not but the manager is not capable to maintain the good feeling amongst the team. He would ruin every team he ever has power over.
Will they sack him? I hope Mr Moshiri does not suffer fools gladly.
81 Posted 19/03/2016 at 23:06:28
You have a list of 12, most of which I fully agree with.
Mirallas and Cleverley I would allow a new manager to run his rule over them both.
Cleverley stunk the gaff out today, but he was played out wide and looked confused. He is a half-decent squad player, not first-team starter.
Mirallas has ability, a decent manager could get something out of him.
The rest do need to be part of a mass clearout, starting asap.
82 Posted 19/03/2016 at 23:06:37
Even if we win the cup, which of course I hope for, he must go in the summer. Here's hoping Moshiri is hard nosed enough to want a better return on the pitch for his investment. And that he sees through Bobby and Billy's blabbering bullcrap.
83 Posted 19/03/2016 at 23:09:41
We have to get shut of Martinez.
84 Posted 19/03/2016 at 23:28:51
The "Duracell crab" has energy and enthusiasm but has very limited ability; he is the physical embodiment of our manager and unfortunately he is also, somehow, the first name on the teamsheet.
85 Posted 19/03/2016 at 23:39:09
It's a simple modification, All together now 'Get out of our club, fuckoff Roberto Martinez, get out of our club.' Only let/s sing it louder than the Gooners.
86 Posted 19/03/2016 at 23:44:18
87 Posted 19/03/2016 at 23:58:20
Actually, I'd give it to Phil Neville not to have to hear this horseshit anymore.
88 Posted 19/03/2016 at 00:01:12
89 Posted 20/03/2016 at 00:10:06
90 Posted 19/03/2016 at 00:14:02
I would sack him now or have a manager signed up to take over in may. It's a European Championship summer with many players given an extra two weeks off at the end of the tournament. To assess, implement changes will be short. To make such changes to our style and mentality is going to take time.
People on the forum have had a crack at the new owner already. Unbelievable!! Today is a true reflection of Everton over the past 18 months. He will have noticed the crowd displeasure. Time to move him on!!!
91 Posted 20/03/2016 at 00:15:34
92 Posted 20/03/2016 at 00:48:43
Fed up with his excuses.
94 Posted 20/03/2016 at 07:06:35
I'm not kiddin, I woke up and my heart felt like it weighed a ton
Scanning through all the threads, It's very sad to see such a unanimous thumbs down for ANY Everton manager. The current one appears to have beaten even his most ardent supporter into submission.
How the fuck did we get here?
Martinez is a likeable man, but when he was given the gig and promised Champions League football, I kinda felt like I did when my frail old Auntie turned up when we were moving house asking "Where do I start?"
I notice that even Phil Walling (a long time critic) has stopped hitting him no point any more.
I just Hope we/he can pull three rabbits out of the hat (two at Wembley and one at Anfield) so we get to have our glorious parade through the City and he gets to walk away with his head held high.
Neil Pickering @ 65 + Xavier Spencer@ 70
You are allowing your emotions to twist your logic Guys.
Kevin Tully (if reading)
You have my apology. I honestly thought you were talking out of your rear end.
95 Posted 20/03/2016 at 07:45:21
Yesterday I think I saw something else. A team that didn't believe in what it was doing. A complete lack of effort in front of 40,000 at Goodison. Maybe a team who figured that the league doesn't matter now.
I'm not going to excuse the players. Coleman and possibly Stones aside, that was piss weak. But the easiest change we can make is the manager and I can't see any way back from this point.
A derby and Cup semi win can't even save him now. But those two games could easily put the final nail in.
Feeling genuinely gutted today. Losses always hurt but that was gutless, and it feels like we're going back into an era if churning through managers trying to find the right one. Stability is important and the next appointment needs to be a very good one.
97 Posted 20/03/2016 at 08:35:00
I've been wanting rid of Martinez since Hull away last New Year's Day. It gives me no pleasure to be proven right. Just hope Moshiri can see through the bullshit. I can't deal with another season like this.
98 Posted 20/03/2016 at 08:43:53
I really wanted it to work for Martinez. For the first six months of his time, we played some fantastic stuff but he's coached the magic out. He's tactically one-dimensional and this team are simply not fit enough.
Every season, we get to March and the players look shot. Just look at the work rate of West Ham, Spurs, Leicester and even the bloody Red Shite and compare that to us. I'm afraid he's utterly clueless and totally out of his depth.
99 Posted 20/03/2016 at 09:20:00
That makes two of you Neil.
100 Posted 20/03/2016 at 09:41:21
I fear the only way BK will support a change is if we get humiliated at Anfield and then lose the semi three days later. If we win the cup, he'll probably extend his contract, especially as he will have kept his team in the premier league this time (just).
Thanks, Ian Brandes @24, for reminding me of Desolation Row. It seems to sum up our situation pretty well:
"Then someone said you're in the wrong place my friend you'd better leave....."
101 Posted 20/03/2016 at 09:57:09
It's as if he has absolutely no respect for the fan base and that we know nothing. He is the classic case of the Emperors New Clothes.
Please prove me wrong, Roberto, but right now, I would gladly pack your bags and drive you out the club.
102 Posted 20/03/2016 at 10:12:20
Why do you think the manager gave a player who is already filling in, two jobs? It baffles me, and it must also baffle the players. No footballer on the planet can be in two places at once..
Yesterday was poor but I got some satisfaction. It made me realize that even if Everton win the cup, then Martinez, last game In charge should definitely be at Wembley. He continually tries to fix things when they are not broken.
103 Posted 20/03/2016 at 10:44:04
"A one off no intensity" is he joking? Does he really know what he is saying?
I also have changed my opinion about this squad being good enough to challenge the top four, we just aren't. We could only do that if we played like Leicester do all for one and one for all and our team have too many players who in my opinion think they are better than they really are. I'm presuming this can be put down to the manager and his constant "bigging up" of this squad and his flawed coaching style. We just have not the players to pass like Barcelona!
People saying including me we are better than this lot and that lot, the table doesn't lie and it been like this for two years; Martinez has been consistent with that alright.
Whoever is in charge come the summer will have a huge job on their hands. There are a lot of squad players who will be on their way and will need replaced. The reason we are not in the bottom four Lukaku has already basically said "I'm off" Stones will go also I believe.
FA Cup? does anyone truly believe we will get past West Ham Utd or Man Utd.
Every week we see Martinez supporters (I was one) changing their minds about this man's credentials to manage our club the penny is dropping with a lot of those who were or are sitting on the fence. Mr Chairman and the Everton Board, stop it now... We are not fucking Wigan. This guy has been found out he is incapable of taking us forward and should be sacked.
104 Posted 20/03/2016 at 10:51:18
Southampton away last season, left on 79 mins.
Newcastle away, left on 82.
Hull away, left on 75!
All round the Xmas period and all a mirror of yesterday. No fitness, no leader, no passion. Players hiding from the ball. Arsenal had two or three choices of player on the move to find with a pass yesterday. Makes it so much easier for the man in possession. Our players gave up and seemed to hide behind the away team thus locking themselves out of the play.
What worries me now is that I'm sure Roberto just doesn't get angry enough with the players to instill a little fear. Fear and respect is what good leaders should demand.
105 Posted 20/03/2016 at 10:52:58
Everyone in The Dark House told me I had missed a fantastic atmosphere. I get to the pub quite early around 10:45 and again the atmosphere was bouncing even that early. We all spoke about Arsenal on the back of a few defeats would be there for the taking. Opinion was attack early, pressure them, push them around a bit early goal and they could well collapse. And we are not paid football managers.
My grandson thought the atmosphere was flat at the game and I couldn't argue. Didn't see any of the mentioned "pressure and intimidation" indeed looked like a little training exercise for Arsenal. We never ever intimidated or pressed their goalie even after his "injury" second half.
Back to TDH stayed until around 9.00pm talking Everton. Major disappointment. No defenders of Roberto left now. Total feeling that it's time to go.
My own thoughts are that some of the players should also take a long hard look at themselves. It seems to me that Roberto dominates all team issues. We have a group of very talented players who seem incapable of making an individual decision on the pitch. Everyone playing to the possession tune. It's not working!
We are a team of robots playing to Professor Popkis's orders. It doesn't look good at Goodison. Time for talk and excuses to stop and actions to be taken.
106 Posted 20/03/2016 at 10:55:58
The Drifters First Half.
The Drifters at Half Time
The Drifters Second Half.
107 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:12:13
Last week, left the game feeling good, something that hasn't happened very often at all over the last two seasons and something that was lacking towards the end of RM's first season.
I'm not going to repeat what many people and myself have said before about RM, as (I'm sure like many others) I'm getting sick and tired of repeating myself.
Time for Roberto to go!
108 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:12:19
He bemoans intensity but who's fault is that Roberto? They could've been playing chess yesterday but that's your call, you train them, you prepare them, you pick them so shut the fuck up!!
109 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:12:50
I posted after the West Brom game we'll win one more home game this season... With only three home games left, I'm beginning to doubt that now. It's embarrassing but it looks like were stuck with the cretin.
110 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:28:17
''Well, I don't think the result was disappointing.''
WTF Is this man smoking on a Saturday afternoon?
Help me out on this please.
111 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:31:30
I am surprised they even spoke about us on Sunday Supplement. It usually just talks about both Manchester clubs, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, then if they have any time left, Leicester and England. So even the Sky 6 obsessed journalists are commenting how pathetic we are doing under RM.
The problem is Colin that it is only actions by the fans that will make the board aware of how unhappy we are and booing at the end of another bad result is not doing it. I thought that BK understood the ethos of our club and fans, even though he has got some things badly wrong. When he came out last week and said he thought RM had come under some unfair criticsm, I thought well if you truly believe it then we are in a bad place.
If the chairmen thinks that finishing 11th last season and languishing in 12th at present isn't reason to criticize then how bad to we have to get to be not unfair criticism.
112 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:35:48
Seems to me like another, sent to Coventry job, by our pillock of a manager.
113 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:42:36
We now have a team capable of paying great football, while being incapable of winning games.
Time for him to go. From a first season of being hard to beat, scoring goals and winning games, it's come to jam tomorrow every week. Something happened at the end of his first season that shattered his good opening work.
The players have plenty to answer for, they've proved be as spineless as they were under the last guy, but the manager is the one who carries the can.
I hope Mr Moshri has been/will be pursuing alternatives to spend his money in the summer.
114 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:46:17
As an afterthought, they gave Martinez his 20 seconds of infamy and they were in agreement that he's an idealist but a useless, and ineffective, one. It wasn't nice.
115 Posted 20/03/2016 at 11:48:49
Yes, his style of play was overly cautious and was as boring as fuck sometimes. Yes, how he left the club was bad form. But, he has managed at Man Utd and abroad in the meantime.
I think he will have learned a lot. He will bring defensive stability, a work ethic and drive to a team that is full of quality. I think he is just the fit at the moment.
116 Posted 20/03/2016 at 12:04:42
117 Posted 20/03/2016 at 12:09:22
It's not progressive and he certainly blotted his copy book in the manner he left and his interactions with Everton at Man Utd!
However, I fully agree we need to get shut of RM ASAP, with the Euros this summer, it limits the time a new manager would have to sort the squad out personnel wise, tactically and fitness wise.
What we don't want is RM starting next season as manager. If he was manger at any other club, he would've been sacked a long time ago!
119 Posted 20/03/2016 at 13:28:25
Before you go to your next club heed these words:
"Fail to prepare, prepare to fail."
We've had enough now. Three seasons is plenty for all of us. You are a massive failure and your tenure at our beloved club has been a catastrophe.
120 Posted 20/03/2016 at 14:20:15
No World Cup, no Europa League, he got his signings he wanted and we're in the bottom half of the Premier League with one of the top scorers in the league! Frightening!
Martinez, regardless of an FA Cup semi-final, your season just broke... now leave and take your pathetic bullshit excuses with you!
121 Posted 20/03/2016 at 14:21:20
122 Posted 20/03/2016 at 15:33:22
I had to say once you are touched by Everton you can't change but she hasn't had my life-long association. To be honest, I can't blame her as they do play a glorious brand of football.
123 Posted 20/03/2016 at 15:38:34
He has been found out for what he is by the players and there is no turning back after that. He has either confused or pissed off too many players. We are under performing and I think it is beyond repair. Everyone always questions his tactics but I think that his man management is also poor and this is now evident. It is not just older stalwarts like Distin and Pienaar who have had issues with him either. I don't think that he is Mr Nice Guy to his players. His ego doesn't allow it.
124 Posted 20/03/2016 at 15:41:34
"Bobby. you were a much better player than manager."
125 Posted 20/03/2016 at 15:41:37
He has turned us into Wigan. FFS, we are on the same points as Bournemouth. Enough is enough!!!
126 Posted 20/03/2016 at 15:41:55
Better team, better manager better ground better everything. 20 years of European football compared to our 3 or 4 years.
We have been totally eclipsed by them.
For me, Bill Kenwright has wrecked our great club. I just hope Moshiri is made of sterner stuff because these last 20 odd years have been dire
128 Posted 20/03/2016 at 15:53:13
129 Posted 20/03/2016 at 16:05:06
130 Posted 20/03/2016 at 16:22:55
132 Posted 20/03/2016 at 16:41:31
We have had highs yes, but the lows exceed them by a mile. Yes we are still in the cup but then so are Watford and Palace. He has to be replaced in the summer or we will suffer more of the shite we have seen so far this season. There's no way on gods earth he will ever make a top manager.
Should we go out of the cup in the semis he should be sacked immediately after it. He is a fucking disaster and will take us nowhere only nearer the Championship. We are in freefall in the league and I think the only thing saving him is the cup. The sooner he is dismissed the better for us all.
We have money now and should aim high for our next manager. Simeone of Atletico I think would jump at the chance to manage in the Premier League and he takes no shit, both as a player and now as a manager. You would not see a performance like yesterday the players would be shit scared of him.
133 Posted 20/03/2016 at 17:14:37
I'm praying now that Moshiri will not have the same blind faith...
134 Posted 20/03/2016 at 17:57:49
135 Posted 20/03/2016 at 18:48:43
On the Monday after the Stoke game the board acted. Bingham was sacked and the search for his replacement began.
Eventually, Gordon Lee was appointed, the Blues went on to the League Cup Final where they eventually unluckily lost to Villa (Chris Nicholl), while Clive Thomas saw them off in the FA Cup semi-final.
I hate the phrase "he's lost the dressing room" from people who've never set foot in the place but we now know from various accounts that Bingham had lost the support of at least some of his players back in the 70s. Saturday's lethargic display, following on from the committed performance against Chelsea, has raised suspicions in my mind that something similar may be going on today.
Is it time for the new majority shareholder to emulate the board of 1977 and dismiss the manager, cup semi-final not withstanding?
136 Posted 20/03/2016 at 19:09:49
From that perspective, even if Everton go one better and actually lift the FA Cup, it won't in any way negate the pathetic league season that we have endured, which so far in 2016 has seen us lose three home Premier League games on the trot, the first time that has happened since the start of the 2008-09 campaign, and have drawn with Spurs and beaten relegation threatened Newcastle.
Five points from our last nine home league games, that is not a team having a poor time of it, that is a team that is destined for relegation. but for the recent away victories at Stoke and Aston Villa. How can Mr Kenwright even dare to say that Mr Martinez is a wonderful manager?
137 Posted 20/03/2016 at 19:19:43
138 Posted 20/03/2016 at 20:19:29
Paul Andrews (#11) hit the nail on the head saying 'McCarthy is not good enough. He is a midfield player who doesn't want the ball'
Lee Gorre (#26) nailed it by saying 'when the back 3 get the ball he moves himself into a position where they cannot get it to him'
My venom should of course be reserved for and directed at our 'Manager', he is the guy who continually picks and plays this player whenever available. As Bob Geldof once sang, 'Never in a million years' is McCarthy a £13M player, far far from it. Get rid of them both!
139 Posted 20/03/2016 at 20:44:05
140 Posted 20/03/2016 at 20:59:06
141 Posted 20/03/2016 at 22:20:50
Now, we hear Kenwright banging the same drum with this 'What a manager' rubbish. Granted, Martinez seems a personable guy, but it amazes me how he elicits such strong and unwavering support from some people in the game, especially these hopeless romantics such as Whelan's and Kenwright.
Hopefully, Moshiri will awaken a more corporate spirit around the club and decide that, quite rightly, somebody paid millions a year needs to deliver results.
142 Posted 20/03/2016 at 22:41:30
We haven't any consistency. This hot and cold, Jeykll and Hyde stuff can drive a person to drink...lots of drink! Have the players switched off; just playing out the season? Has Martinez's "philosophy " caused him to lose the dressing room?
A lot of questions, that will only be answered by Martinez's exit. I like Roberto. I think he's a decent person, but a flawed manager. If the same problems persist with the next fella, then we are more trouble than any of us thought.
143 Posted 20/03/2016 at 23:18:39
144 Posted 20/03/2016 at 23:52:09
145 Posted 21/03/2016 at 00:54:12
Dave Whelan is a millionaire barrow-boy with a very real gift as a salesman. Only a muppet buys stuff from a wide-boy like him though.......cue Kenwright.
Of course BK may not be a muppet at all because he has now substantially soaked up millions more of our spondoolicks than even Moyes and Martinez, and us fans have just given them all the easiest ride in the Premier League, decade after decade. It's what Everton is (in)famous for; great history, great club, principles, valiant losers, know their place, etc etc.
I just hope Mr Moshiri has a ruthless, ambitious streak the like of which we've never seen, that will reverberate around the country and attract WINNERS.
146 Posted 21/03/2016 at 06:02:15
Not missed a Top 4 spot for how many years but only won the Cup three times on the trot. Produced arguably the best footballing side in England for a decade and knows how to improve his players. That's the sort of failure I want.
Where did our new Director come from, the inside running?
147 Posted 21/03/2016 at 09:39:34
148 Posted 21/03/2016 at 09:53:05
A manager should have three years to prove himself. Martinez time to go has now arrived with no improvement in that time. Even if we win the Cup (which we won't) he should shown the door.
You know when you have a good manager quite quickly by the way the team is set up and the attitude of the players.
149 Posted 21/03/2016 at 10:48:18
I'll try and explain it.
If Charles Manson was a fanatical Evertonian, there would be loads on here beginning posts with "I'm not condoning what he done like, but he never actually murdered..." and finishing with "In my opinion, he's paid his debt.." etc.
In other words, for some, hearing the words "I love Everton me!" is a cue to slip on a mental blindfold.
Anyone else with the same Tom Pepper record as Bill would be a 'fucking lying twat!', but by giving it 'I love Everton me!', for those wearing the blindfold, this becomes 'Er...yeah ok, he's made mistakes.'
And not only that, some are outraged when you point this out ("vile accusations, nasty, no need, blah huff-puff waffle").
I am in no doubt that if he wasn't the biggest Evertonian of all time (ever, ever, ever - no really, ever!) he'd have been chased out of Goodison by a 10,000 strong, torch-wielding mob, 5 minutes after it became known that the money wasn't 'ring-fenced' and King's dock wouldn't be happening.
Oh and can you imagine if Kirkby been suggested (nb: then fucked up) by 'agent' Johnson?
We'd still be burning his effigy in the centre-circle, just before Z-Cars at every home game.
150 Posted 21/03/2016 at 17:09:18
For a bit of fun but it is a common line he uses. After a couple of minutes this is what I found on Google:
May 2nd 2015
Dec 3rd 2015
Nov 9th 2013
Mar 2 2013
Aug 19th 2012
The Term "Fearful"
Jan 25th 2016
Jan 17th 2016
Dec 12th 2015
Nov 12th 2015
Nov 19th 2014
These are the words used by a winner.
152 Posted 22/03/2016 at 00:30:26
I can hope only that everything gets much better and that, at least, we can somehow lift the cup at Wembley!
But, the claptrap from RM in this instance belies belief. Cup success or not, I now think he has to go. So idealistic in his ideas of playing strategy that he forgets that you need to have the right players in the squad to play it out. Clearly, we have a great squad this season but, also clearly, the skill sets to do it the Martinez way are not there. So, play according to what you have and not what you dream to have. Then, as you improve you buy the players to eventually fit the "so-called" dream strategy. Transition from defence to attack is painfully slow.
I'm sick of the bullshit and I feel for every true Evertonian that you have to put up with this week after week. The buck stops at the top. RM get the message and change or GO (I replaced the obvious with a G).
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