More reports claim Board meeting to mull Martinez's future

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Roberto Martinez's team are on a dreadful run of form which has sharpened the focus on his position as manager
Following claims in the media on Monday suggesting that Roberto Martinez's future would be discussed by Everton's Board this week, fresh reports claim they will convene today.

Both The Telegraph and the Liverpool Echo assert Farhad Moshiri, the club's largest shareholder, and the Everton's directors will meet in London where Martinez's performance will be one of the bigger talking points following a run of seven games without a win that included humiliation at Anfield and a painful exit from the FA Cup at Wembley last weekend.

Martinez says that he has neither sought nor received any assurances over his future, preferring to concentrate on tomorrow's visit of Bournemouth in the Premier League.

With supporters using social media to drum up support for protests at Goodison Park at the game calling for the Catalan's dismissal, however, the focus on the security of his position at Everton will be greater than ever.

In The Telegraph, Matt Law goes as far as to suggest that Martinez could be sacked next week if there is such a consensus at the meeting and the Blues perform poorly against the Cherries. A more likely scenario if the hierarchy do concur that his time is up is that he sees out the final three matches of the season.

Meanwhile, via the BBC Gossip page, Dean Jones at Bleacher Report Insider claims to have spoken with "club officials" who fear that Ross Barkley is hedging on a new contract amid the uncertainty over Martinez's position. There is no indication of how reliable Jones's information is but he makes the fairly bold suggestion that Barkley won't sign a new deal unless Everton bring in a new manager.  


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Tony Hill
1 Posted 29/04/2016 at 06:28:26
I saw this too in the BBC gossip. Please let it be true that the Board are considering the position with the full seriousness it demands. I think we all now seize on any scrap to lift our hopes.
Brian Porter
2 Posted 29/04/2016 at 06:29:38
It's probably safe to say that if Ross is stalling on signing a new contract, he will only be the first of many. If the board refuse to act in removing Martinez as manager it will only be a matter of time before all our best players are queuing up to leave the club.

It's blatantly obvious he's list the support of the players and only a new manager would give us any hope of retaining our top players. They, like us have had enough of the appalling flim flam merchant who continues to spout his insane ramblings, expecting us to believe he has us on the verge of winning silverware.

Does he mean the championship trophy in a year or two? Because that's where we're heading as ling as he's in charge.

Martinez Out and quickly!
Brian Murray
3 Posted 29/04/2016 at 06:33:12
I doubt the next 4 games would keep or sack him no matter what results. The damage is a lot deeper than that. C'mon Bill, stop putting your arm around people and look after the club you say you have the best interests in. Which I doubt.

Start pestering Jose or Simone if you want to gush over people.
Simon Bates
4 Posted 29/04/2016 at 06:36:34
I wake up and this is the headline! I hope I'm still dreaming... nope wide awake.

I suppose it's good news really, with Moshiri being there, but only Everton could drag this out.
David Edwards
5 Posted 29/04/2016 at 06:49:11
A light at the end of the tunnel at last? Hopefully not an express train! Fingers crossed
Liam Reilly
6 Posted 29/04/2016 at 07:23:38
The two semi-finals are the only thing keeping Martinez in a job; but if the club is ambitious it must look past that.

No other top club in England (if we still believe we are), would put up with the last 2 years.

Tony Draper
7 Posted 29/04/2016 at 07:30:56
"New majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri and chairman Bill Kenwright are expected to be present at the meeting, with Moshiri said to be particularly concerned by results and supporter dissatisfaction."

This well worded slice from "The Daily Telegraph". I bloody well hope that Matt Law (the correspondent) is correct about Farhad Moshiri's view, by heaven, us supporters really need a clear eyed view in place of gushing Billy Boy's luvvydom.

Waiting until the close season would simply be fudging the issue and, frankly, cruel to Roberto, the players, but most importantly the fans. Be kind, give him plenty of time to plan his extended summer holidays.

Then get De Boer, Bergkamp and Stam. Surely Farhad must have some connection via Dennis?

Andy Walker
8 Posted 29/04/2016 at 07:31:54
Can we please rise above the sloppy standards of other media outlets and stop calling Moshiri the 'majority shareholder'. He isn't (yet)

Investopedia definition:

'A majority shareholder is a person or entity that owns more than 50% of a company's outstanding shares. The majority shareholder is often the founder of the company, or in the case of long-established businesses, the founder's descendants.'

Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
9 Posted 29/04/2016 at 07:43:13
Fair enough, Andy. My intent was to describe him as the person holding a majority of shares relative to the others but you have a point given the business terminology cited above. I shall amend the article accordingly.
Andrew W James
10 Posted 29/04/2016 at 07:44:10
Let's bot get carried away with the "success" of reaching the FA Cup semi-final. The only two games we won against of any note were Bournemouth and Chelsea. The other few were hardly tough games.

So it's a polite thank you and adios amigo.

Ron Marr
11 Posted 29/04/2016 at 07:59:46
Hopefully BK and RM will be gone. Bungalow Bill can't be trusted. Wave mediocrity goodbye
Colin Glassar
12 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:01:11
I've been saying for a while now that the decision to part ways has already been taken. What's left to decide is the timing. All parties involved want Roberto to see out the season, with dignity, but if we struggle tomorrow, and the crowd go mental, then his leaving will be speeded up.
Andy Walker
13 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:04:31
Cheers Lyndon!
John Louis Jones
14 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:05:06
Trying read between the lines so bear with me.

Firstly what news to wake up to.

Barkley and Stones were at the Man City game with Kenwright. I think don't hold me to this, that Kenwright would put these two youngsters before Bobby.

John Woods walked out of the derby on 60 Minutes, The Russian dude was left shell shocked.

Moshiri is a accountant by trade (I work in Marketing For a few large Accountancy firms) He will be looking at the states and Money first and foremost and even somebody like me that can't even spell let alone add up it does not made good reading. So god knows what Moshiri is thinking.

Here's hoping Unsworth is in charge for the game tomorrow.

These reports have made me very happy this morning.

Jim Bennings
16 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:09:57
So we have players stalling on contracts eh?

Well regardless of how garbage we know Martinez is, we haven't seen an ounce of effort from players like Barkley for six months and quite a few others.

I'm questioning whether or not I really want players at my club like this, players who if they don't like the manager simply down tools.

They are being paid to bust a gut playing in a blue shirt but sadly I rarely ever see it and hey, sack Martinez yes but what if these Charlie Big Time players find they don't like the new manager either!?

Martinez has been atrocious this season no denying that and he has no long term future but these players are paid a king's ransom and they are stropping and picking and choosing when they play and who they play for.

Really???

So much for picking the right character to play for Everton.

Colin Glassar
17 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:10:45
Major shareholder, Andy? The likes of Lukaku, Stones and Barkley might, just might, stay if we have a manager they can believe in.

If, let's say, a big name manager comes in, and brings some big name players with him, these lads might think giving us another season to see how things pan is worth it.

It's obvious now that Roberto has lost the trust of our young stars and if he stays, they will be gone. Big decision, Moshiri.

Jim Bennings
18 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:19:20
To be honest I want Martinez gone yes but as for the likes of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku, would I really lose sleep if we got big money for selling them??

Stones is replaceable and if someone pays 㿊 million for a defender with mistakes in him on a frequent basis, good luck to them.

Barkley hasn't progressed like we expected, some down to Martinez some down to Barkley, let's be honest, if you are that good you don't need managing, look at Wayne Rooney at 16 and 17 years old, the lad went on the pitch and tore it up with a manager in Moyes everyone claimed to be ultra defence minded.

Lukaku blew his big moment on the limelight on Saturday and got an attack of the Brett Angells. A player who believes he ought to be playing for Bayern Munich.

Sod Martinez off, but I would have a close look at the bunch who consistently fail, even the ones who were here under Moyes.

This is why we need many players too this summer.

Clive Lewis
19 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:26:14
Moshiri cannot afford not to call for the taxi. If he stays, then we lose our best players, simple as that.

Better to get rid now, Unsworth can play some of his younger talent for the remaining games.

Keith Harrison
20 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:30:05
All of those lads still have quite a length on their current contracts. We do not need to sell. Whether they would rock the boat is another matter, but all three of them have been cotton-woolled by Martinez this season, to the exclusion of most of the rest of the squad. Lukaku, Stones and Barkley are probably the three who Martinez has favoured most.

A decent manager would get a lot more out of them though.

Brian Harrison
21 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:31:50
Well if a meeting is happening today, then surely there can only be one outcome. To leave this man in charge for next season makes no sense.

Martinez has said judge me on 3 seasons not 3 months, well the evidence is there for all to see. The longer he has been here the worse we have got, and last seasons he could say the Europa League was a factor, although it doesn't seem to have affected Spurs this season.

We have had no major long-term injuries to key players, and no big turnover of players.

I have to say I didn't want him in the first place, and friends said after his first season that I was wrong and he was the guy to take us forward. None of them are saying that now, and it gives me no pleasure in being right. I would rather he had made us what many believed we would be after his first season.

Andrew Ellams
22 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:35:42
Stam and Bergkamp coaching Stones and Barkley, sounds good to me. Bit worried that Inter might beat us to it if we don't act quickly.
Trevor Peers
24 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:38:25
Just make the decision today to sack him, whether he then stays till the season ends is totally irrelevant.

To keep the decision a secret until the summer would be very damaging, season ticket sales would slump, player unrest would continue.

Only Kenwright would keep the whole matter a secret, how he loves the intrigue, it's sickening.

Paul Cherrington
26 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:49:57
Can people stop trying to blame the players, especially Ross. Yes, he's not perfect but he's one of us and is a very good, potentially great player.

The manager is solely to blame for the way these players have been playing. Or do we think it's plain bad luck every player is playing badly all at the same time? If you have a bad manager, you will perform badly – it's as simple as that. People may not like it but that's human nature and how things work.

Can you blame Ross stalling on a contract? Would you sign on for four more years of RM if you were him? He can see how being managed by this tool is damaging his game and realizes if RM doesn't go, he has to for his own good.

Mark Burton
27 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:50:08
Jim (16). I agree with you there. The money the players earn is "phenomenal" but it does not give them the right to choose who they will play for. Look at Chelski at the beginning of the season, scandalous, but it does happen and rebellion against the manager can have serious implications.

A manager that has no idea how to cope with the situation is even more dangerous. Martinez has to go to save Everton.

Tim Constable
28 Posted 29/04/2016 at 08:55:58
The board have had several perfect opportunities to sack him before today and have chosen not to. I can't see why they would take that decision today. I'm worried BK will be able to convenience the rest of the board RM is the man for the job and I'm even more worried that they will fall for it.

If you were going to sack him, surely after the Liverpool game would have been the perfect time?

I'm praying that I'm wrong but I can see a vote of confidence coming today and we will be stuck until around November when we will be doing out best Wigan impression.

Bob Cumiskey
29 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:04:24
It would be better to put Martinez out of his misery straightaway. He is a dead man walking and the fans need this change to happen sooner, rather than later, in order to feel more optimistic about next season.

I agree with Jim (#16): I am not too convinced that I want any player at the club who decides whether to sign a new contract or not based on who is on charge. Whilst I also agree that employees often leave managers not companies, the vast majority of them will not be earning a minimum of £50k per week and be idolised by their customers/fans. I guess we just have to accept the realities of the behaviour/s of a fair percentage of modern day footballers.

I do hope Leicester win the league this weekend though and show the rest of the Premier League what is achievable when individual players put their own needs and selfishness aside and play as a team for the fans and the manager.

Regardless of what the players think of Martinez, the fans have been magnificent this season, particularly away and they should be wanting to play for them in every game; an ingredient that has been sadly lacking in my opinion throughout this season.

If any player wants to leave, let them but make sure that the money is right in order to give our new manager the best possible start when replacing them. We have been at the top of our sport for 138 years and have overcome some real issues and hardships during that time, but we are still here and players wanting to leave will just be another hurdle we will have to get over.

I honestly don't know how I am going to blag the steward tomorrow when I attempt to get my tennis racket into the top balcony. COYB!!

Brin Williams
30 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:06:15
Morning Constable – Would that be a "Public" convenience they are meeting in to discuss this shit-house?... Not convince(d)!!
Franny Porter
31 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:06:23
Anyone who thinks we could get Simeone is very clearly round the fucking twist.

Nightmare scenario for me would be Hughes or Moyes, dream scenario for me would be De-Boer or Cocu.

Martin Nicholls
32 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:07:12
Lyndon - call him the controlling shareholder because in the real world in which we live that undoubtedly is what he is. To pick you up on your phraseology in this article is poor pedantry.
Craig Walker
33 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:11:32
Hope Martinez is relieved of his duties. Not too worried if Barkley wants off. Think he's one of the most overrated players I've seen in the blue of Everton. Nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
Pete Ellingham
34 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:22:47
They will probably offer him an extension to his current contract! 😊
Sid Logan
35 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:24:14
I believe that these latest reported 'developments' are nearer the mark than earlier stuff.

The meeting's in London – where else? Talk of a player like Barkley not signing a contract will sharpen the minds of Moshiri and his team.

Encouraging also that Moshiri reportedly concerned about the fans views. That in itself is a first and demonstrates that when someone is not running the club as a personal hobby we're likely to get more business-like decisions which acknowledge the need to keep the fans on board.

The latter being something Kenwright pretends to care about but it's never something that will be allowed to come between him and his incestuous and unprofessional relationship with his best friends: our managers (past and present)!

I reckon these current rumours have substance. Thanks Lyndon for a dose of renewed hope.



Dave Abrahams
36 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:24:36
Martin Nicholls (32) you took the words out of my mouth.
Martin Nicholls
37 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:27:45
Jim (#16 & #18). Good points, well made. In one (and only one!) way I'm a bit like Kenwright in that I wear rose-tinted glasses where our Club and it's team is concerned.

If there is a flaw in your logic, however, I suspect that it's not just our own current crop of players who have this mindset – did not those at Chelsea exhibit similar traits to help (the Eva Carneiro thing didn't help him either) get shut of Mourinho?

Phil Walling
38 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:30:25
On the question of 'playing for the manager', I don't think too many of the players in our wonderful teams of the sixties were ever much in love with Catterick!

Even his pet, Bally, didn't always see eye to eye with him but I don't ever recall him switching off in protest. And the same was true of many others of that era, many of whom are revered as legends of our club.

Martin Nicholls
39 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:32:45
In his only public statement so far, Moshiri spoke of the need to retain our (top) players. If there is any truth in the reported reasons for Ross Barkely stalling on a new deal, then this can only add to the obvious pressure (of bad results) to get shut of Martinez that he is under.
Dave Williams
40 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:34:07
I have to say I felt sorry for him yesterday at the press conference. He had that haunted look of a broken man which was not nice to see.

That said, life is full of very nice people but you can't pay them a kings ransom if they are not doing their job very well.

The players have been appalling this season with their attitude – Jim Bennings and others are absolutely right – Ross for example was a disgrace in the first half on Saturday just strolling around not doing any work (and I am a big fan of his) but ultimately it is the manager who buys them, trains them, picks them and motivates them and, for whatever reason, many of them seem to have downed tools.

As a result it is easier and cheaper to change the manager and I can't believe that Moshiri is attending just to discuss the pre season tour! Most likely it took a few days to arrange a meeting which all of the main people could attend but if Roberto is to go then I think he should be allowed to go now rather than face the hostility which is likely tomorrow especially if the game goes against us.

New manager – not Hughes or Moyes – we need someone with authority who can sort out the egos and get them properly fit but then exert discipline, apply a proper structure to the team and who will attract high calibre reinforcements whilst giving Dowell, Walsh, Ledson etc an active role in the first team squad. There is a lot of dead wood to clear out – McGeady, Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar at the very least so we don't want a sentimentalist doling out one more year here and there.

Simeone would be great – I wouldn't dare to cross him!! – but we need someone on the up or who is already there, not a Moyes or Hughes who have been decent for some of their career but never amongst the greats.

Dave Abrahams
41 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:35:06
Phil (38) the difference might be, the players were not fussy on Catterick but loved his tactics, the present players might like Roberto but realise his tactics are just not up to standard.
John Malone
42 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:39:36
Come on, Moshiri, drop the axe on the fraudster and start the new era with the top class man we all want so we can buy our new season tickets and get back to looking forward to going the game!

I love Moyes for his hard work and integrity but I don't want him back. We need to move forward into the elite. Our aim should be to win the league and win all our domestic cups! Why not?

Pellegrini, Frank de Boer... anyone with top class pedigree!!

Brin Williams
43 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:41:02
Moshiri said he felt he had joined a family – well, when the family are gathered around the kitchen table and someone is trying to get your attention by kicking you under the table you had better take heed, otherwise.... you're going to feel the pain!
Sid Logan
44 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:42:09
Dave #40

I'm not saying your wrong to feel sorry for him but it's fans (like me and you), families, old and young who have trudged away from games – some with long journeys ahead of them – wondering what the fuck they've just seen.

They are the real victims here and they've done this for two seasons more often than not.

Save more sympathy for them and pray they may soon get redemption!

Martin Nicholls
45 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:42:34
Dave - 40. Agree with you about timing if he is to go. As I've posted elsewhere, he's done his best but it's just not good enough. It would be wrong to subject him to public ridicule tomorrow IF a decision is taken today to relieve him of his duties.
Phil Walling
46 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:44:12
Nailed it in one, Dave @41. They all had respect rather than any fondness for the man in charge – except when they signed in below the red line and he docked their wages.

Then he was a bastard!

Phil Sammon
47 Posted 29/04/2016 at 09:50:43
Tomorrow's result ought to have no bearing on Martinez's fate. He has proven beyond all doubt that he's not up to it.

Performances? Results? However you measure it, he has failed spectacularly.

Martinez himself said last week was defining. It went horrifically. Unsurprisingly, he now wishes to be judged on other periods of time, amount of money spent and squad quality. Forever shifting the goalposts... and forever failing on all counts.

Phil Walling
49 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:01:48
The only bearing the game might have is that, if Bournemouth hammer us, Howe will 'get the gig'.

Then we really will be in trouble!

Dave Williams
50 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:04:46
You're right Sid – I had a 400-mile round trip on Saturday with a Man Utd fan for company in the car and the journey back was not nice, especially with the RS result still hurting.

This is why the board has to put their personal feelings re Roberto to one side. Little kids go home in tears after a defeat, families spend a lot of money on football and deserve to see players try their best. Just 4 home wins in a season is not going to encourage new fans and will lead to an erosion of the fanbase.

Brian Porter
51 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:07:50
Jim (#16), whilst I'm normally in agreement with the majority of your sentiments, I have to say one thing about your post. You criticize the players for not busting a gut in the blue shirt, but would you seriously work your fingers to the bone for a boss you disliked, had no faith in, or who you believed was directly harming your own career by his mismanagement of the business?

Secondly, you say you want Martinez out, yet if the players had been playing out of their skins and producing great results, we wouldn't be having this debate because everyone would be saying how great Martinez was. So it's kind of a double-edged sword.

It is a fact of life in football that it happens sometimes that a manager 'loses the dressing room'; when that occurs, it usually follows that the team concerned tends to stop performing to the best of their ability. Chelsea was this season's perfect example and perhaps also the lot across the park to a lesser extent. Look how Klopp has got the same group of players Brenda had now playing out of their skins for him.

I'm pretty sure our players would respond in similar fashion under a new manager, but we can't have it both ways.

Great performances all season = Martinez stays.
Utter garbage as we've seen all year = Martinez goes (I hope).

Damian Wilde
52 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:17:02
I don't think I can handle waiting 'till the end of the season, so maybe it'd be better if we lost tomorrow to quicken up the process (maybe the players think that).

Barkley has been beyond dreadful, not bothered if him and Stones (poor defender) leave, and if CL Rom wants to go, he can do one.

People who keep mentioning Simeone, are you absolutely mad?? Maybe Messi, Suarez and co are on their way too boys!!! Ridiculous.

Andrew Clare
53 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:19:04
They had better make the right decision. Otherwise I don't know where we go next.
Joe O'Brien
54 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:27:17
I'm with you on that, Brian. I'm more than happy to keep Ross Stones and Rom to see them flourish under new management.

Ross had been in no doubt told to sit deeper, when he should be around that No 10 spot. Stones told to fanny about with the ball at the back when it just needs to be belted into the stands or up the field. I think we'll see completely different players with a new manager coming in.

The whole team looks so lost at present, confidence at rock bottom under RM. This team full of confidence, under clear instructions and better tactics will be a completely different animal in sure.

Eugene Ruane
55 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:35:07
What should happen:

Meeting, announcement he's been sacked, Joe Royle will see out rest of season, new manager to be appointed in due course.

Simple.

(Chances of that happening – zilch.)

Iain Latchford
56 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:40:07
I agree, clearly Simeone is not coming to Everton. Pure fantasy.

I've put this on another couple of threads, but de Boer, Bergkamp and Stam has to be the best option for us. Covers all the bases. Moshiri should be flying them out to Monaco and selling Everton to them. 𧴜m invested, 㿞m from TV, 㿨m from Lukaku. "Come on boys, show us what you can do".

If they succeed and move to Barca in 5 years, they'd go with my blessing. It would put us back on the map, and make us attractive to future managers and players. We need to think and act big. Moyes, Hughes, Howe shows no ambition.

John Critchley
57 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:44:53
He should be sacked, no doubt about it, he has not been up to standard, he's made assurances i.e. Champions League, we'll learn by our mistakes etc.

Bottom line is he's lost the dressing room, 95 per cent of the fans, and hopefully the board (or the ones that matter).

What time is this meeting, by the way?

Antony Matthews
58 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:51:28
Ross Barkley causes all sorts of differing of opinions. Under Moyes he was told to get stuck in and he gave away a penalty at Blackburn. Never hardly played again.

Under Martinez he seems to be told to jog around and do something when the ball is played to him. Different coaches will have different ideas on where to play players and formations. Martinez seems to have one, otherwise we would have seen different tactics dependant on the opposition.

Tactical genius he is not, even though he managed to win the FA Cup with Wigan. That was more to do with having your name on the cup than tactics. He is a stubborn stubborn fool whose downfall is down to his reluctance to listen to players and his insistence on his philosophy.

Put him on gardening leave till the end of the season and see if the performances improve in the last 4 games. If they do then the reason is Martinez. If they don't then certain players will be under more scrutiny.

Let's hope this chapter in our history closes soon and we can get back to doing what we do best and that is supporting OUR club.

Michael McCarthy
59 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:51:43
EFC need to bust a gut to keep Ross, stones and Rom. How anyone thinks they should be discarded are... use your own words. Another point is you don't have to love or even like the boss, respect is the term.

A team of of people will never love each other or even get on. But they respect each other, work hard for each other, it's a team game. Without those ingredients the team falls apart. A manager builds and bonds a team into a unit that will work as one to the very end.

Roberto has unfortunately failed. Once you lose the respect of your workers, it's lost for ever. And it's time to go, I'm afraid.

Andy Meighan
60 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:55:59
I'll be massively shocked if they sack him at any time. But also delighted. But Kenwright thinks we are all morons. He hasn't got a clue about football. Never has, never will. That's why he won't give us the manager us long-suffering supporters deserve. Until he's gone, nothing changes. It's carry on as you were...
Iain Latchford
61 Posted 29/04/2016 at 10:59:18
Barkley is nowhere near at the fitness level a professional athlete of his age should be. In the first half of the semi final it was embarrassing to watch.

Whether that's the fault of the manager or player is up for debate. Personally I can handle people losing form, having a bad game etc, but a lack of basic fitness is unforgivable.

Tim Constable
62 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:01:59
Morning Williams #29 thanks for pointing my typo out! Very useful.
Antony Matthews
63 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:03:54
Any news on the time of the rumoured meeting? Just need to let my missus know so I can give her forewarning in case I have a funny turn.
Rob Halligan
64 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:07:13
Antony, do you want us to call the paramedics and put them on standby, should you have a funny turn?
Phil Walling
65 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:17:25
Eugene, that would be exactly the way to motivate the team and appease the fans. As you say, though, there is absolutely no chance of it happening!
Damian Wilde
66 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:17:40
Agree, Royle should take over 'till the end if the season, otherwise the club just gets dragged through the mud. Then De Boer et al please. But would they come? Not the most attractive prospect are we.
Iain Latchford
67 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:21:02
Depends what we are offering them Damian. Time for Moshiri to step up and give a statement of intent.
Kim Vivian
68 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:23:12
Andy – unless there is another share holder with more than 49.9% or whatever Moshiri's got then he is the majority shareholder. That's not trying to say he has the majority of the shares. (Not so) subtle difference.

It means that it won't take much for him, with someone else in his camp (eg Woods) to have the majority vote between them. However, anyone or group with 25% or more do have the power of veto.

Alan J Thompson
69 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:23:38
A lot seem to think getting Simeone is sheer fantasy but is it any more fantastic than thinking Martinez will turn things around and make any sort of improvement.
If it is true that Barkley won't sign a new contract until a new manager is appointed then I say more power to his elbow!
Charlie Burnett
70 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:27:08
Farhad Moshiriiiiiiii
He is our billionaire
Farhad Moshiri, he told Bill "I don't care"
Farhad Moshiri
Roberto, it's time to go!!
Shane Corcoran
71 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:29:46
Kim, I decided to ask the internet, as it knows everything and I got the following:

Majority shareholder is a shareholder who owns and controls most of a corporation's stock. Only those persons who own more that 50 percent of a company's shares can be a majority shareholder. Generally, a majority shareholder has more power than all of the other shareholders combined.

Iain Latchford
72 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:32:22
As Umanov's right hand man, I'm pretty sure Moshiri has had to make to some pretty ruthless business decisions over the years. You don't get into a position like that by being a pussycat.

I don't think he'll be too sentimental when it comes to Martinez.

Alan J Thompson
73 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:38:13
Shane (#71); and if you don't know who all the shareholders are or if they are at all interested then what then becomes the majority shareholding?

Theory is one thing practice is another.

Maynard Hanna
74 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:38:59
I look forward each day to reading your latest piece Lyndon for I believe that I can trust your pen.

If our board do meet today, it will obviously be to decide on when to call time on RM's tenureship and whether that will be today, Monday next or at the end of the season.

Yes, it's interesting to hear about young Barkley and his situation. I do feel for the young man. He has talent but this manager in no way has allowed the young fella to develop his natural game. Ross Barkley's game is all about running at the opposition, attack. Pretty much the same as Steven Gerrard did for Liverpool.

In the second half at Wembley the crowd coerced our Everton side into a positive response.I believe that their second half performance had nothing at all to do with Martinez and everything to do with the Evertonian support. This was evidenced by Baines when he went to take a corner he clapped the crowd and asked for more. He obviously could sense the crowds determination to see something better.

To everyone who was at that game it would have been obvious to one and all that Lukaku's touch was way off and that it was going to be one of those days for him. I spoke to all around me at half-time and said that I hope we get a penalty and that Baines takes it and that way we might get back into this game, I believed that we would need 'a break'.

Martinez should have seen that in Lukaku as as well and made it plain at half-time that any penalty awarded that it would be Baines to take it. When I saw that it was Lukaku to take the kick I sat down while all around me the fans stood and as of this moment in time I have not seen De Gea's save. To try and side foot past De Gea is a nonsense.

I always believed that one of the main reason's that saw Jose loose faith in Lukaku was Romelu's failure from the penalty spot in the Monaco shoot out in the Euro super cup. It cost Chelsea the trophy.

When Barkley won the penalty, you could see the delight in his eyes. He is one of us. Get off his back. We can not afford to let him go. We need a coach/manager at the club who recognises his talent and caters for it.

One can dream, and if I were in charge, I couldn't be any worse than RM), so here's a A few of my ideas /suggestions, perhaps we could buy Gudfilson from Swansea and even that young man Ayew from the villa (i believe he is worth a try) and along with Cleverley that is the beginning of a midfield that will look forward first as opposed to looking sideways and playing backwards.

Also Mr Rodwell was never a midfield player in my eyes and I have always believed that he would make an excellent centre half/back four player. I would bring him back to play there and we will need cover soon enough for our defense. All these players could be got.

Just a few ideas. And of course we do have some more than useful young defensive full backs and midfield talent already at the club. Aye things can still be good provided we get someone in who knows what he is doing and who can bring the best from Barkley, Stones et al. Yes, I hope for better days ahead, and hopefully sooner rather than later. Cheers.

Brian Williams
75 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:40:45
(Not to be confused with Brin Williams.)

Firstly ,I hope there IS a meeting and that they come to the correct decision and fire Martinez. If that does indeed happen, then I think the crowd should stay on their feet clapping for the first few minutes of the game on Saturday to show our support for the decision. We should then get behind the team like never before to let the team know how we feel. Lots of noise and chanting to create a great atmosphere. It'll make a BIG difference.

I see no need to draft Joe Royle in as we have the perfect stand-in, for the few remaining games, in David Unsworth. Who better to know which of the youngsters could step in and experience first team football in what SHOULD be a few dead rubbers?

If the board meet and make no decision or announcement, then I think an unmissable protest should be made to show our absolute disgust at the present situation.

Fuck all this "We're above that, we don't want to be like the RS, makes us look bad, it's embarrassing."

Our club's going downhill fast and I for one don't want to regret doing nothing and seeing us go downhill further next season if Martinez is still the manager.

I know tennis balls thrown onto the pitch isn't a "sensible" thing to do but then neither is paying out what for some would amount to many hundreds, even into the thousands of pounds to have weekend after weekend ruined, and to watch something you love being slowly destroyed.

Sometimes dire situations call for action. Action that can be seen and WILL cause embarrassment if that's what it takes. Do nothing, and suffer the consequences!

Scott Hamilton
76 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:40:52
Shane (71) - Correct. Moshiri is the Principal or Primary Shareholder i.e. as an individual his shareholding is the greatest but he does not have a majority shareholding.

Andy Walker
77 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:43:55
Yep Colin, major shareholder. There's been a comment that it is a little pedantic to pick up on this, but let's be clear Moshiri bought 49.9% because at this stage he DOESN'T want to be the majority shareholder, presumably for good reason.

When (I think it will definitely happen) he becomes the majority shareholder this will be a highly significant step. So I think it's really important we appreciate the difference so that when/if the legal status changes we don't loose the significance of the change.

Antony Matthews
78 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:44:39
Brian (#75). Totally agree!
Thomas Surgenor
79 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:47:32
Damian (#66), I respectfully disagree on Royle.

Our season is over, these are effectively a more competitive version of pre-season matches. Promote Unsi to give him exposure to the first team environment and hope that it helps him with the Under-21s.

Promote Galloway, Connolly, Davies, Pennington, Dowell... Even bring back Ledson from loan. Get at least two of them 60 mins a match under their belts.

Skip Gibson, Osman, Pienaar, Hibbert and Kone. Hopefully they are not a major part of next season's plans and they'd gain nothing from these last few games.

We need to gain something from these last few dead rubbers and the only positive I can see is getting the kids exposure – much like it helped Galloway last season.

Iain Latchford
80 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:47:47
I'm sure the issue of him becoming the majority shareholder will be discussed in this meeting........if there is a meeting at all that is.
John Keating
81 Posted 29/04/2016 at 11:57:05
I have to agree with Thomas. We must play the youngsters who the Club reckon are very close to the first team.

The season is over. If the imposter stays and plays the those he has picked week after week with abject failure, then the last games will not only be even more embarrassing but the supporters will become even more disenfranchised.

If however the kids play, although the results will probably be the same and our goal difference will take a bigger hit, at least the supporters will understand and more than likely accept results if it give our future a start off.

Antony Matthews
83 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:00:59
If you are good enough, it doesn't matter what age you are, à la Wayne Rooney. But not under Martinez. He will ruin them with his tippy-tappy shit.
Phil Walling
85 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:09:22
If anything does come of the meeting, the Chairman will be clapped into his seat. That's the Everton Way!
Dennis Stevens
86 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:16:30
Spot on Eugene [55]. If only it had happened a few matches back, we might have been spared the humiliation at Anfield & maybe even still be in the Cup!
Shane Corcoran
87 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:18:36
Alan #73, I don't understand your question, especially if it relates to Everton.

Everton doesn't have a majority shareholder at present.

Christopher Timmins
88 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:37:19
With the removal of the current manager, will the Chairman take the opportunity to step down? He has done some good but, like many others, he has stayed in power too long.

I don't thing there is a need to protest as it appears only a matter of time before the manager is relieved of his duties.

Ste Traverse
89 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:43:00
The heat needs to be turned up on this Kenwright to boiling point. Then he may remove Martinez to save his arse if fans are slaughtering our hapless 'Chairman'.

That video doing the rounds of outside Wembley and BK saying to fans Martinez "is one the nicest men you'll ever meet" just about sums up how pathetic he is. Nice man or not, he doesn't get results, that's what counts, not how nice is supposed to be.

The sooner Kenwright's influence ends, the sooner we can try to be a top club again. He continues to be a massive problem at our club.

And what's the point of putting Simone's name forward for the job? What planet are these people living on to think he'd come here? Established CL clubs would be in for him if he came available.

Ian Burns
90 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:52:57
I am sure the meeting is taking place at the Chairman's London office and it is set for this afternoon. I am sure RM is finally on his way. However, the decision the meeting has is to dismiss today or wait until the result of tomorrow's game is known.

I say this because it will be so much easier for them to call it a day at 6pm tomorrow if we have not won the game. As much as we are all waiting for the white smoke – I think we have at least 24+ hours to endure.

Colin Malone
91 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:56:24
Unsy? Give us a pint of what your having. We have a good squad minus Rom and Stones, hopefully we will keep the latter. We have a diamond who has no direction through bad coaching.

We have an assistant manager who has credentials of a semi pro coach. A manager who wants to play 5-a-side tactics.

What coach would allow a player to walk from an offside position when we are attacking, time and time again? No discipline and no passion. Martin [Mr Passion] O'Neill is way ahead of Mark Hughes and David Moyes.

Paul Goodchild
92 Posted 29/04/2016 at 12:56:38
I like Roberto and I will feel sorry for him when he is sacked because I believe he genuinely gets Everton and so badly wanted to bring success to the club, but he does have to go for many reasons.

The sooner the better really. I would sack Jones too and put Ferguson in charge until the end of the season. Then the board should approach Mourinho to see if he is interested. I know a lot of Evertonians are not keen on him, but it would great for the club's profile and could persuade the big names to stay.

Brin Williams
93 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:03:02
Brian 75 - No confusion here, mate.
Brian Williams
94 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:03:05
Those who are anti protest should be watching the Arsenal report on Sky Sports!
Brian Williams
95 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:04:10
Brin# (93)
But you're the only one "guaranteed" not to be confused ;-)
Iain Latchford
96 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:04:37
Ian, what happens if we then win the game 3-0 (for example)? They'd have to sack him after winning a match, and it would be obvious the decision had been made prior to the game. In addition forcing Martinez to face the wrath of the fans, when he's already lost his job wouldn't be very professional, or fair.

We have absolutely nothing of substance to confirm this meeting is even taking place.

John Jones
97 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:12:49
I think theres a chance he could go today. There are going to be protests tomorrow, how many and in what form remains to be seen. Sacking him would end the protests from the terraces and allow us to finish the season relatively calmly and hopefully in the top half.

Also as the comment above states, if we win tomorrow then what, sack him anyway?

Get it done and move on, dragging this out beyond belief is damaging the club in all sorts of ways!


Charlie Lloyd
98 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:13:14
Meeting today! Should have held this meeting on Monday. More unprofessional behaviour. What has honestly changed their minds in 4 days. Was a meeting not that important so it could wait to discuss the situation

Priorities gentleman.

Charlie Lloyd
99 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:16:38
The board are probably looking round for somebody to say the immortal words "your fired".

Call Alan Sugar he'd get it done for a fee.

Shane Corcoran
100 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:20:27
Ian # 90, when you say "I'm sure" do you mean it literally to mean "I'm certain" or in the more conversational way which means exactly the opposite of the literal way?
Ian Burns
101 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:22:32
Iain -96 and John 97 - therein lies the dilemma for the people attending the meeting. Do we sack him today? What happens if we win (3-0), we can hardly sack him at 6pm.

So I suggest they will wait until after the game tomorrow. If we win, he will see out the season. If do not win, then 6pm he will be gone.

It is only my opinion.

Ged Simpson
102 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:22:54
Charlie....they may be spending their time on arrangements for the future. To a fan 4 days is ages. If you have spent £200m, I suspect it isn't. If we run the club on short term fan emotion (esp. mine), we are equally fucked. This is a decision about our future with a new 'owner'. I spend more time picking a holiday
Tony Hill
103 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:25:17
Talking of barrow boy corporate giants, we should remind ourselves at this point of Bill's great friendship with charitable retailer, Phillip Green. "He calls me the Romantic Evertonian", chortled Bill in a recent interview, referring to Sir Phil.

You can tell a man by his close friends, so they say.

Tony J Williams
104 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:26:41
I keep thinking that he looks like a man walking up to the hangmans noose and I almost feel sorry for him......

Then I think back to the times he has almost given me a coronary with his bizarre tactics and fuckwittish substitutions.

Then I realise that he gets paid more in a week that I get paid in a year so fuck him, he can't handle it and has made us an unfit and passionless laughing stock.

Get him out!

ps who really gives a flying fuck about this majority shareholder pedantic shite?

Kim Vivian
105 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:28:05
I suppose its like establishing who has a bigger half! I wouldn't want to be the one to try and boss Moshiri because he only has 49.9%.

If he ain't happy I reckon he's the one who's going to be asking questions, and expecting answers, don't we think.

Phil Walling
106 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:35:10
Tony@103, I've no doubt the man who relieved Phil of the burden/control of all those Everton shares recently has had a word with him about the plight of BHS pensioners. After all they are near neighbours in Monaco!
Dave Abrahams
107 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:36:54
Ian (#96) if the meeting decides Martinez has to go, it must be announced today as you say; there is no point in letting Robbie face the crowd tomorrow with anything hanging over his head.

When Dave Sexton was dismissed by Man Utd, his team had just won six matches on the run, if my fading memory is correct, so to be honest, if your time is up, it's time to go.

Roberto has had his day and will never have to work again, but he will and will earn more than many of us have seen in our lifetime.

It's hard being a football manager, – wish I had the chance.

Phil Walling
109 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:43:28
I've still convinced Kenwright will arrange a stay of execution for Roberto. As you say, Dave, that would not be kind to the manager as far as protests tomorrow are concerned.

But the money will make it worth the flack even if the real scorn should be aimed at the Board !

Jay Wood
110 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:43:39
Another day, another rumour and more speculation about the board and what to do about our beleaguered manager.

If the board do or do not meet today, if the board are or are not considering the manager's position, nobody truly knows.

I believe they most certainly should meet and consider whether to dispense with Roberto or not.

It is my opinion, regardless of whether he is "one of the nicest people you could meet" that RM's position at Everton has become untenable.

To continue with him at the helm into next season is too high risk. With Moshri's promised investment, added to the bumper new TV deal, this summer and next season is a pivotal – possibly even a defining one – in determining just what kind of club Everton will be in the next 5-10 years.

To entrust this summer's transfer funds to Roberto, to risk losing our most talented and promising players, disillusioned with the manager, to further antagonize the faithful who now overwhelmingly want the man gone... for the board to retain his services is to risk having an even more toxic Goodison Park next season and an increasingly fractured squad of players.

For the board to take any other decision than to dismiss Martinez before the summer – the when and the how is hardly of consequence – would tell us everything we need to know about Mr Moshiri and his ambitions.

If Martinez is retained, Mr Moshiri will effectively inform the faithful his ambitions for the club do not match ours.

I fervently hope Mr Moshiri is the real deal and will make the very best decision for Everton: dismiss Roberto and get a real marquee manager in who will make the fans, the players, the media and the public at large sit up and take notice.

Kristian Boyce
111 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:45:29
I'm expecting a statement from the board today saying either Martinez will stay on till the end of the season and will be gone then, or that his position will be reviewed at the end of the season. The second option is basically the same as the first, but they are dragging out the inevitable. Plus it give the board enough time to find a suitable replacement, and it gives the players hope of a new coach.

One thing which I don't get and see it all the time is people saying that Martinez is a likable individual. Ask Distin if Martinez is likable. I think he tries to come across as the guy everyone loves but I can imagine he has a nasty underbelly away from the camera. By the looks of it, if someone hasn't bought into his philosophy, or gets on his bad side, its pretty much an end of their Everton career. I wouldn't be surprised if Mirallas's red card madness the other month was a dig at Martinez, just to piss him off because he was refusing to play him.

Matt Traynor
112 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:48:10
I think it's immaterial whether we win, lose or draw tomorrow, or the remaining games.

As Dave points out in #107 - Sexton had actually won the preceding 7 (not 6) games before he was sacked. The supporters thought the football to be turgid...

We also sacked Mike Walker in the aftermath of his first win of the season, against West Ham.

And this season, Rodgers was told his fate before the Goodison derby - okay it was a draw, but even if they'd hammered us he was gone that night. (Hence why he wore a black tie rather than red during the game).

I can believe that they've become so adept at penny pinching it is because of this June 1 contract date bollocks, to save a couple of million. In which case, just put him on gardening leave as I fear the atmosphere will be toxic - and no amount of fuckery with TV microphones will disguise that.

Shane Corcoran
113 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:52:50
Jay #110, I think you're spot on.

I posted elsewhere that I feared it might take a bad start to next season to convince Bill to get rid of him.

By that stage he'll probably have spent a fortune in the summer, as he knows he needs to make progress, and he may have caused more damage to the current squad.

I have to believe that Moshiri sees that and it's curtains before the end of May.

Iain Latchford
114 Posted 29/04/2016 at 13:58:22
Well said Jay.

I'm expecting to hear absolutely nothing by 6pm.

Whatever has happened with previous managers or other clubs, I don't believe it's acceptable to throw Martinez to lions tomorrow, then sack him. If it doesn't happen today it's going to be at the end of the season (if at all). I expect the latter.

Michael Polley
115 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:03:47
Hopefully some good news by the end of day - Martinez sacked.
Ray Roche
117 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:26:02
There does appear to be a wealth of "evidence", albeit in the press, that a meeting HAS been convened for today, however, I can't see Martinez getting his ride in a taxi on the eve of a match at Goodison or anywhere else. Boy, would I love to be wrong.

Incidentally, has anybody had a look at the Under-21s on YouTube showing Dowell's hat-trick? Worth a look, and Unsworth comes across as being more than half decent if a caretaker manager was required....

Kevin Tully
118 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:27:51
You must listen to this, everything that's wrong with the club summed up in 20 minutes by one of our greatest ever players:

Neville Southall on why Everton weren't ambitious enough


Peter Bell
119 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:33:13
For all these people saying they feel sorry for him, he did his best... utter Bullshit. He brought it all on himself with his stubbornness and refusal to engage with his players.

As for saying he should not be subject to a public humiliation. Well you should have been stood in the Anfield Road end with me last Wednesday.

He didn't mind subjecting the fans to the biggest public humiliation I have ever witnessed in all my years as an Everton fan. And all in front of the fucking country on TV.

Jamie Crowley
120 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:38:13
2:30 pm over there and nothing...

So we have about two-and-a-half hours left before the end of the business week for an announcement. If that announcement doesn't come then Roberto will be on the touchline tomorrow.

And I will honestly feel sorry for the man in that particular moment.

The fans want him gone. The atmosphere will be so toxic.

Say what you want but I believe Roberto did have the good of the club at the core of all his decisions. Clearly, things have not gone well.

We're a classy Club. The classy thing to do would be not to subject this man to the thrashing he's going to receive tomorrow.

It'll be ugly. The ugliness is justified. The fans deserve more and it's been a horrific season. It's time to move on. Why this hasn't been done yet is not only a mystery, but we're about to crucify a coach and it could have been avoided by making the right and bold decision to remove this man and let him leave with some small amount of dignity.

Two-and-a half-hours to make the correct decision for all involved. Otherwise there will be one piece of wood vertical affixed to one piece of wood horizontal, and 5 nails at the ready.

And were I there I'd proudly drive one of those nails home and blame no one for doing the same.

Damian Wilde
121 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:38:53
Ste 89 any link to the video? I could only find this? :D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7xoO2nefeJs

Kristian, completely agree, all this 'he's a nice guy', he's a 'twat'. The way he treated Distin was a disgrace. And what has Mirallas done? Clearly doesn't like him. I find it weird Martinez plays no left sided player. I watch games with Baines surging forward and loads of space on the left wing -:with no Everton player there to pass to, bizarre. He'll play a right winger, but no left. Anyone enlighten me on this magic style of play?

Martin Mason
122 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:40:01
Jamie, don't hold your breath and prepare yourself to be very disappointed.
John Pickles
123 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:42:34
...... I expect Ross will now have to apologise for the misinterpretation of him not yet signing a new contract.
Jamie Crowley
124 Posted 29/04/2016 at 14:46:37
Martin -

I'm expecting no news, a loss, and the highlight of my weekend which includes a four hour drive across the state of Florida and back for a kid's soccer weekend, to culminate in despair; the only positive being Game of Thrones, episode 2 at 9 pm EST where I'll be disappointed yet again as Jon Snow will still be dead.

Happy days! ;0)

Don Alexander
125 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:01:34
To some extent I agree with others questioning the attitude of the players in comparison with those in history. The big difference is that Bally and the rest HAD to win because it made a big difference in their pay, unlike players in the present day.

Just listening to Nev as I speak (and thanks Kevin Tully for the link), and he's 100% right on the issue of fitness in comparison to Leicester and Spurs. Our unfitness is 100% down to Martinez's inaction, which has never changed, and that's why he's earned the sack.

Nev also thinks the board is and has been a disgrace for 20 years.

Are you listening Mr Moshiri?

Tony J Williams
126 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:10:09
Fitness has always been our problem under Bobby.

How many late goals (stroke of half time/full time) have we conceded?

It is a topic that has been done to death and I simply cannot remember a more unfit Everton side...and I have watched the washed up Gascoigne and Ginola!!!

Dan Davies
127 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:12:05
Back him or SACK him. Simple.
Ray Roche
128 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:12:50
Damian Wilde #122

" Anyone enlighten me on this magic style of play?"

It's from the "Dickhead's Manual On How To Cock Up A Decent Side", by R. Martinez, a training manual for the terminally incompetent.

Ron Sear
130 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:25:20
I see Paddy Power has got Steven Gerrard on the list for the next Everton manager, wouldn't we all love that! Don't worry it's 100/1.
Jamie Barlow
131 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:25:25
Elton Welsby tweeted an hour ago "From inside sources... today is the day."

And just now "By the end of today everything will be classified."

Iain Latchford
132 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:28:38
Is he going to confirm on Midweek Sports Special?
Guy Hastings
133 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:29:59
Jamie (#133), as a manufacture of clarified butter might say, 'Ghee whiz'. Ah, feel better for that...
Jamie Crowley
135 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:55:51
About an hour left before the close of business.

And with that a thought crossed my mind...

How shitty is it to sack a guy minutes before 5 pm on a Friday?!

Iain Latchford
136 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:57:08
They'll probably send him an email at 4:59pm, then turn the computer off.
Jamie Crowley
137 Posted 29/04/2016 at 15:59:02
Hahahaha! Exactly Iain! Not that I'd shed a tear but really??

Hope it happens. ;0)

Al Reddish
138 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:00:06
Sky saying the board to hold talks with Martinez about his future later today.
Iain Latchford
139 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:00:32
Nothing would surprise me with Everton..
Andrew Ellams
140 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:00:35
Elton Welsby, spooky me and another blue at work were trying to explain who he was to all the London guys in the office just this week.

Give me Friday night Kick Off ahead of all that Sky Sports love in rubbish any day.

Dennis Ng
141 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:08:31
David (#143), well, at this point in time, there is a new player in the board. That has not happened very often... So, as long as some changes starts happening, I'm cautiously optimistic of the future. Key word, cautiously.
Charlie Lloyd
142 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:09:30
Tony @ 127

Totally agree with poor fitness. It annoys me watching teams waltz round Goodison Park with time to do what they want. I want a team that battles and harries for every ball on our turf. Fitness is one of many flaws. It'll not change under this regime. Get them fit for a start. Surely that should be the basics at this level. The finesse etc is what you buy but the fitness is something a coach and his team instill through training correctly.

Damian Wilde
143 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:10:37
Ray, so that's where it comes from, quality!!

Gerrard??? Just ridiculous he even gets odds. What next, odds for King Kenny?!

Dave Williams
144 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:18:34
Losing your job is crap whenever it happens but bearing in mind the likely pay- off I won't feel too sorry for him.
Andy Walker
145 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:37:26
If it's today then I think it points to Moyes being lined up. I don't think they would sack Martinez without a good idea about the replacement and Moyes is available.

We shall see.

Sid Logan
146 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:40:40
While big Nev did talk a lot of sense he failed to mention Roberto's flawed philosophy of wanting to play Barcelona type football without Barcelona type players.

He's right about lack of a clear mission statement from the board. That's because Kenwright is completely unprofessional in the way he Chairs the club. It's is his hobby as we all know he applies a romantic nostalgic amateur approach to it.

Most of us believe Martinez is incapable of turning his mind to managing the club to play the way that so many successful teams are playing: - a fast tempo pressing game with fitness levels that enable us to get forward and back with speed for 90 minutes.

In fact this is the way most successful teams in the UK have always played - it's nothing new. It's Martinez' approach - his core unyielding beliefs - which have alienated so many fans. They simple do not work and the more he plays them the easier it becomes for teams to play agains them So to talk as if Martinez is given a clearer brief he would somehow lead us to success is to fundamentally misunderstand the beast.

So while Nev made some really sound points particularly about lack of direction from the board; the fans have seen (and heard) enough. He's had his chance, he's had some dosh and he's has good enough players to have made a difference - but he hasn't!

Ask not for whom the Bell tolls Roberto - it tolls for thee!

Linda Morrison
147 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:49:39
Andy-145- why should they need to bring in another manager for the last 4 games? There is nothing to play for and Duncan plus another could just oversee the last few games we have. Other teams have operated in this way and this will avoid another poor choice. I liked Moyes until the last season and the MU affair. He is history

it is time for someone new now, I would take Rafa or Pelligrini. If the board are talking to Martinez tonight they may be telling him goodbye and maybe giving him the option of seeing out the rest of the season, but also ensuring all the players know there will be a new man at the helm come August.

The new man is a business man, he sees the potential an will make sure he gets his financial rewards for his investment

Jay Wood
148 Posted 29/04/2016 at 16:51:14
Hmmm... mixed feelings about the Big Nev interview, as entertaining as it was.

When someone of his standing speaks out - an indisputable True Blue Legend - you have to listen. He has always been forthright in his views, kow-towing to no-one and never toeing the party line, even in his playing days!

He makes some valid points about the goals and ambitions the board should be setting at the club. Namely, not merely making up the numbers, hoping to fluke a cup win or achieving European qualification via a high placed finish in the league. Rather, they should be telling the manager and players alike: win the league.

This season and Leicester have shown it is not a fanciful belief. The playing field, with the bumper TV deal effect, is possibly more even than it has ever been in the 'Sky era.'

Where I part from some of Nev's comments in the interview is when he states Roberto has not been 'supported' by the board.

Now that can be interpreted in various ways, but consider the following:

* under RM's watch, the board has provided him with the monies to purchase 4 of our top 5 buys EVER! Lukaku, McCarthy, Niasse and Funes Mori.

* even before he arrived, the board established Finch Farm as one of the best training facilities in the land. Just recently, plans were revealed to improve the facility further.

* 'the Everton Way' and a well-respected academy (to which RM has added to and from which he wishes to draw on in the future) was funded and supported by the board.

* on announcing RM's appointment, BK declared the manager had told him he would take Everton into the CL. No lack of ambition from either the manager or the club there.

* after one season, BK supported and endorsed RM even further by extending and improving his contract. (Best not mention the ill-conceived Martinez mural on the main stand at the start of his 2nd season, eh..?).

* As recently as our LAST WIN (the quarter final win over Chelski, a 'mere' 7 games ago...) BK came out in very public support for RM with his ill-judged "What a manager!" statement.

The above examples undermines to a degree some of the claims Big Nev made that the board 'hasn't supported Roberto.'

To close, I endorse the underlying message Nev made: think big, act big, state clear goals of what you expect the manager and players to achieve.

Hopefully, before much longer, the new main player at the club will be implementing such an ambitious philosophy, which - make no mistake - requires a ruthlessness and professionalism too long absent at the club.

Andy Walker
149 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:00:11
I don't think they do either Linda, but I also don't think they need to sack him before the end of the season unless they have someone lined up who has asked for a committment now. If it's today the Board are moving very quickly and I just think their may be a reason for this. But there might not!
Phil Walling
150 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:11:30
Andy @145. If it were to be Moyes, that would be a clear indication that Kenwright is still calling the shots. Do you think there would be any fan based backlash from such an appointment?
Robin Cannon
151 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:14:55
I'd hope so.

I don't see anything wrong with firing him now, having a caretaker until the end of the season, and undertaking an in-depth search for a new manager that a) doesn't rush into a decision (especially it should ignore any caretaker who wins a few of those final games), b) chooses a manager based on a clear strategy for success, and c) gives the new manager enough time during the close season to target desired players and squad changes.

James Marshall
152 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:15:32
I just looked it up and I only live 5 miles from Kenwright's London office.... Maybe I'll pop in and see what's going on.
Brian Harrison
153 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:17:10
There is no disputing big Nev's talent as in the 60-odd years I have watched the blues, in my opinion, the best keeper we have had. But saying the board should make their intentions clear, well talk is cheap as RM proved with I will get you Champions League inside 4 years. Deeds rather than words are what the fans are looking for.

I still haven't forgiven Nev for his antics in the Leeds game when he stayed on the pitch at half time sitting by his goalposts. He may have not been pleased with what was happening on the pitch but you cant have players behaving that way.

As for Martinez not being supported by the board, that is absolute rubbish. The fact that they allowed him to spend 㾹.5 million on Niasse yet refuses to start him, and quite openly says he won't be fit to start next year should be a sacking offence on its own.

Andy Walker
154 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:18:53
I think if TW is a representative sample of fans Phil, there will be a massive backlash.

I agree, if it's Moyes then Kenwright is still calling the shots which would surprise me too. The thing that wouldn't surprise me is if Martinez keeps his job to the end of the season but there seems to be a lot of rumours pointing to some sort of an announcement so who knows.

This is almost as exciting as watching them play.

Sid Logan
155 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:28:36
Phil,

I can't see Moshiri sitting back and allowing Moyes who is deemed to have failed at Man Utd (despite some fans revising their views – easy to do when he's no longer there) and likewise at Real Sociedad.

The fact that there's a board meeting at all indicates Moshiri is having his say. My guess if Martinez goes we will get a manager worthy of the club – not Moyes and not Hughes.

John Critchley
156 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:43:41
Is this meeting supposed to be tonight, or another smokescreen, by our beloved chairman!
John Critchley
157 Posted 29/04/2016 at 17:58:52
What the latest these meetings can be held? Does it have to be in business hours?
Finn Taylor
158 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:01:19
I hope Moyes will be back because it will give us a good grounding again. We are as much a mess now as were in 2002 when he joined and crucially, he garners respect from players.

I would not be surprised if when Martinez goes, BK steps down and the story is spun as Moshiri's choice. Script being written as we speak...

Joe O'Brien
159 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:16:39
I never want Moyes back again Finn, that's for sure. We need to show ambition and vision, sacking Martinez and bringing back Moyes would show neither. I still can't understand why his name still gets mentioned... Koeman or De Bore will take us forward... not stagnant or going backwards.
Finn Taylor
160 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:22:53
Joe – I understand I do wonder why so many fans are opposed to Moyes return? I have gone through the pros and cons of it a lot, and based on what we can offer, I still feel he would be a good choice.

I actually think that he needed the break from us in 2013... even I felt he'd done all he could without any investment. I'd actually go as far as saying that we were a model club then, cultivating young talent (and sadly selling them on) a great work ethic throughout the side and you know what, at least every game we knew the players were 100% committed and there was a logic and pragmatism to the team. And I actually think we are now the total opposite of that.

I hope Moyes comes back and is given the funds to rebuild.

Brian Williams
161 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:32:46
I'll have a glass of what Finn's been drinking.
Joe O'Brien
162 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:33:21
Finn, there are more managers out there then just going back to OFM... my biggest problem with him was that he so negative. 1st aim of new season was to reach 40 points, even though we had finished constantly in the top 7.

In his matches we go 1 up, never would be try to go for the 2nd, hold onto our 1 goal lead. Again very negative... I could go on all day...

I think it would actually frighten the life out of him to actually try and win the league. For those reasons we should never appoint him again.

Phil Walling
163 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:40:46
I'm no fan of OFM but he usually reached that 40 points mark before the middle of April, didn't he?
Finn Taylor
164 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:41:20
You may chuckle Brian... I just don't think we are a fashionable club with appeal to an upcoming manager – Koeman? etc. I'd have loved Bilic in 2013, but there was clearly no drive within the club for that appointment so the appointment of Martinez was made – not one I was supportive of...

Brian Williams
165 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:44:20
Finn I'm not chuckling, far from it.

We complain about this board's lack of ambition and there are those who's ambitions peak at reinstating David Moyes.... Unbelievable!

Finn Taylor
166 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:50:04
The lack of ambition is rife throughout the club, I don't deny that.... it makes me sad to know it too.

As I say, realistically, we are not a fashionable club to the sky lot to the media... I look through all the papers through the week are there is barely any coverage of us... why is that? We just don't have the profile and sadly, any credability that had been built up during Moyes tenure has ebbed away.

Brian - can you tell me a realistic managerial target you think we could get?

Colin Glassar
167 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:51:15
OFM is dead and buried (Evertonwise) Finn. Get over him, he'll never be back at Goodison. If he's short of a few bob his lord and master, Fergie, can let him cut his grass or serve him drinks.
Joe O'Brien
168 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:53:37
Finn, I'm sorry but having the attitude of us not being a fashionable club for an up and coming manager, it's no wonder that you want Moyes back... pure negative thinking. He did Phil, but are you happy having that goal and beating it every year? Again they are alot of good managers out there that would love to be our next manager, once we get rid of our current one.
James Marshall
169 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:56:44
David Moyes would be a terrible idea. I'd like an amnesty on here regarding the very mention of his name!

Finn Taylor
170 Posted 29/04/2016 at 18:57:10
Ha ha ha... very funny Colin... OK you could be right about both... just said on Radio merseyside Eddie Howe looks a cert... will be pretty down if it's him or Hughes.
Phil Walling
171 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:01:06
Eddie Howe - master of defensive strategy -hve yu seen Bournemouth's record ?

Everton FC - Jay-walking to disaster !

Brian Williams
172 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:03:19
Finn. ANY manager that we'd pay the right money for, ANY. That's the way I look at it. Money talks.

Accepting our "place" as you seem only too prepared to do is not in my dna....and to me is a symptom of how far we've fallen.

If you, and others, are prepared to accept "our place" you deserve no better. I wonder if Leicester City knew or accepted "their place" at the start of this season.

Finn Taylor
173 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:04:10
Exactly Phil – Howe and Hughes teams have good spells, then fall apart... I think we are sleepwalking Phil, rather than jaywalking!

This is all Man City's fault!

Robin Cannon
174 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:13:01
Moyes would be a step back. Hughes would be too. Both are demonstrably unambitious.

I don't entirely buy the "not another young, promising manager" argument, though.

Mauricio Pochettino had done pretty much fuck all other than show promise before Spurs hired him; leaving Espanyol bottom of the league in Spain and then getting Southampton into 8th in his one season. He's basically Eddie Howe with a foreign name.

So, while Eddie Howe wouldn't be my choice, I wouldn't hate it - assuming it was done based on a broader perspective than "he had a decent season with Bournemouth"; i.e. intense interviews, assessment, discussion of a long term strategy. Promising young managers are ultimately where great managers come from.

Phil Walling
175 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:17:25
In these columns, Finn, it sometimes amount to the same thing!

The irony is that if our Board had turned to Ranieri last summer, they would have got dog's abuse!

James Carroll
176 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:18:15
Elton Welsby ‏@WelsbyElton 1 minute ago:
A decision has been reached... all I've been saying.....
James Carroll
177 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:19:55
Next Everton Manager: Odds Slashed on World Cup winning boss replacing Roberto Martinez

GERMANY manager Joachim Löw is the new favourite to replace Roberto Martinez as Everton manager.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/665766/Next-Everton-Manager-Odds-Joachim-Low-Roberto-Martinez-news-gossip

Christopher Marston
178 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:23:31
I think the Löw rumours could be true. Lots of bets put on him all of a sudden. I think Martinez is a goner
Andy Walker
179 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:24:06
Robin 174, I can't square the Moyes is 'demonstrably unambititiuos' statement with the fact that he left a job for life as one of the highest (maybe the highest at the time) paid EPL managers to manage MU. I therefore think he's demonstrably ambitious. That doesn't mean he's as good as he thinks he is by the way, but it does give insight into his ambitions.
Ged Simpson
180 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:24:33
It is all a guess by us and the media. Wise up
Colin Glassar
181 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:28:48
Joachim Löw? Lock up yer Grecian 2000 there'll soon be a shortage!! I could live with Joachim tbh. His teams play great football and he trusts the younger players.

Now, if he brings Neuer, Hummels, Goetze and Muller with him I'd be chuffed to bits.

Daniel Bagan
182 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:29:06
A lot of bets and I mean big money bets have been put on Joachim Löw in the last hour! This is interesting, guys....
Gavin Johnson
183 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:30:23
Joachim Löw?! So is he leaving the German national job after the Euros?? I think he would be a very exciting appointment if we could pull it off. I can't see it happening but we can all dream.
Phil Walling
184 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:31:27
Struggling to get a price about Löw, James. What market are you shopping in?
Ian McDowell
185 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:33:14
I haven't see the odds on Löw falling despite the report in the Express.
Tony Abrahams
186 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:33:59
Never before have I heard so much speculation about Everton's next manager, especially considering the present one has yet to be sacked.

If he goes before the season finishes, I will be disgusted. Simply because I believe we would all be looking forward to an FA Cup Final if they would have sacked him anytime before the Anfield derby.

Patrick Murphy
187 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:35:31
It looks to me like a load of guessing by somebody, as oddschecker who I assume is up to date doesn't even have the Germany manager in the list of possibles.
Brian Denton
188 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:37:42
More likely to get Arthur Lowe. Or possibly Ted Lowe. And they're both dead.
Patrick Murphy
189 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:39:07
Brian (188) Perhaps the Journalist got excited when he read some other journalists notes - "Everton Manager New Low" and put two and two together and made five.
Phil Walling
190 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:41:33
Much more to the point, have the Board Monitors been keeping watch on that non-existent hotel in Haydock and Bill's offices in London. Or perhaps they met at Moshiri's gaff in Monaco to maintain confidentiality?
Colin Glassar
191 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:41:52
The Echo (twitter) are saying Roberto has come out of this "board meeting" smelling of roses. Who to believe?
John Francis
192 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:43:37
Lyndon? Michael? I reckon this deserves a live forum feature fellas. Any chance of setting one up?
Jamie Crowley
193 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:44:07
I'd be thrilled with the hair-dying, shirt two sizes too small, weinerschnitzel eating feller!

Let's do this!

Just NOT the OTHER German Klinsman! FFS no, no, no, no.

Colin Glassar
194 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:48:03
John F, I agree. Too many related posts on different threads. This needs a live forum chat to keep everyone on track and up to date.
John Francis
195 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:53:20
Colin @191 apparently that has been outed as a blag account.
Wipes sweat from his brow.
Christopher Marston
196 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:54:04
Why no noises?
Simon Harris
197 Posted 29/04/2016 at 19:55:43
Colin - it was a fake account. That's not to dispel the notion that the board may end up supporting Martinez...by trying to bunker down until end of season.
Robin Cannon
198 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:00:22
@Andy (179) - I don't mean Moyes is unambitious personally. I mean that hiring him would demonstrate a lack of ambition on the part of the club.

i.e. Moyes/Hughes are managers who have a long legacy of competence but not excellence. So you hire them if you want competence but not excellence.

That's different from hiring a promising young manager; there they don't have a long legacy. So if you hire them you're betting on long term excellence, but taking a higher risk of them being terrible.

James Carroll
199 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:00:32
Elton Welsby - former tv presenter (and Blue) - tweeting a lot today... No reason for him to be dishonest...

Elton Welsby ‏@WelsbyElton 6 hours ago:
From inside sources... today is the day.


Elton Welsby ‏@WelsbyElton 42 minutes ago:
A decision has been reached... all I've been saying.....

Colin Glassar
200 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:00:45
John, Simon, just seen that it was indeed a fake account. What I can't see is the tweet purportedly from Elton Welsby.
Peter Bell
201 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:08:45
Elton Welsby, who listens to him ?
His only claim to fame was Fred the weather man wasn't it.
Andy Walker
202 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:10:29
Look at the Welsby account, it's not genuine. Just read some of the old posts, no way that's a professional journo.
John Francis
203 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:13:32
Colin search Twitter for WelsbyElton
Andy Walker
204 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:16:38
'Fat Brenda's bin quiet tonight' does that sound like an Elton Welsby tweet? Total bollocks.

Nothing happening today. It wouldn't make sense unless it was Moyes coming in.

Colin Glassar
205 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:27:05
I also checked Elton's account and can't see anything.
Andy Walker
206 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:27:57
With you now Robin. Agree.
John Armstrong
207 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:28:06
For anyone wondering where the Joachim Löw thing came from, he is 2/1 on Betfair Sportsbook. They tweeted earlier today to say he had been backed in from 33/1 to 2/1. Make of that what you will.
Andy Walker
208 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:29:35
Colin, the account I checked on Twitter was the one that had the previously mentioned tweets. But as I say looks fake to me.
William Twigg
209 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:30:28
It's been a while but I thought I would enter the debate.

As far as I can see and hear, almost all Evertonians want rid of the man, but unfortunately this is An Everton conundrum we are debating. The reality is that the continual procrastination from the board only heightens the frustration and prolongs what is becoming a complete and utter farcical situation.

In any normal business continual under achievement by the person in charge will always result in only one conclusion – "dismissal"... so why oh why do we find ourselves, once again, in a situation that is completely unacceptable?

The lot from Anfield saw the problem and swiftly acted to correct the situation; good management practice. We – poor little Everton – will wait to see if the problem goes away (head in bucket) or gets worse before we act, second rate again and laughing stock!

Tomorrow promises to be a toxic affair and, to be fair to Martinez, he should have been removed before tomorrow's events rather than leave what after all is a human being, to endure the anger that will be clearly directed his way whilst he stands there on the touchline. I thought we had more class than that.

John Armstrong
210 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:31:50
Colin look for @WelsbyElton. Though I would suggest it's obviously not Elton Welsby from the way the tweets are written.
Colin Glassar
211 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:34:05
@elton_welsby is the one I'm checking. He's only got 155 followers.
Iain Latchford
212 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:38:29
Check @KenwrightBill...."Jst sackd Bob, gettng sum Germn bloke. Wot a managr"

Done deal.

Andy Walker
213 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:39:39
William, the difference between us and Liverpool at the moment is the boardroom changes that have just happened at Everton.

Moshiri is still getting his feet under the table and I would have thought he will be the decision maker regarding a new manager. If I look at it logically I can't see him making a decision about a new manager until the summer.

He may want to become the majority shareholder before he imposes his will on the rest of the Board.

Andy Walker
214 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:40:42
It's @welsbyelton that the quotes are from Colin.
Tony Hill
215 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:41:30
The customary farce. My money for Everton manager is on Roberto Martinez and may the Lord have mercy on our soul.
Colin Glassar
217 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:54:05
That's just some spotty faced kid from Speke, Andy. The real account has a picture of a young EW from the 70's.
William Twigg
218 Posted 29/04/2016 at 20:55:14
Andy, that as an excuse does not make prolonging the decision right, we still have a board that like any management structure will look at results, which at the moment speak for themselves.

It is still about making the right decision at the right time. I fear that he believes that he can hang on because we have nearly achieved, ie, two semi-finals! But, for me, nearly is not good enough.

Robin Gomme
219 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:04:48
League Cup: Norwich on pens, and no other Premier League team until we lost to Man City.

FA Cup: one good performance against Chelsea.

Hardly a record to shout about.

Tony Hill
220 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:06:44
I have a small hope which is that the delay is all about Tear-stained Bill being able to come out to the cameras at about 10.30 tonight, tie askew, after Bobby has been booted and to say (or strongly hint) that he fought the valiant fight but that the majority decision was against the Spanish maestro.

Then again, it may be due to the fact that we're run by a bunch of cowardly arseholes, and by one in particular.

Andy Walker
221 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:09:56
It doesn't William I agree, but the priority now has to be to get the ownership of the club resolved for the long term. Getting this right will give us the base to build a better club in the future.

Once Moshiri has this sorted he can take us to the next stage of new manager. In reality delaying the inevitable sacking of RM for a few weeks wont have the same consequences as not getting the club equity structure and ownership sorted.

Patience, albeit very frustrating is the word.

Joe O'Brien
222 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:11:39
Any idea will there be any news on the board meeting tonight? There has to be yeah?
Antony Matthews
223 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:12:50
This is taking too long. It's beginning to feel like the transfer window. Thing is are we going to end up with a dud like we did in January?
Eugene Ruane
224 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:15:38
Andy (221) - 'Patience, albeit very frustrating is the word.'

Absolutely, no point in rushing things just because supporters are impatient.

Speaking personally, I'm more than happy to wait another 15 mins.

After that..

Link

Andy Walker
225 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:22:16
Love it Eugene!
James Carroll
226 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:28:30
But why would anybody on earth pretend to be Elton Welsby...????
Guy Hastings
227 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:30:45
The Everton board in a state of inertia, the top-end of the Labour Party self-destructing, the 49ers draft picks bewildering - thank God my local is a haven of top beer, otherwise I'd just fucking give up.
William Twigg
228 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:31:05
Eugene
Love it!
Says it all for me!
William Twigg
229 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:40:53
Andy,
Get the ownership of the club resolved, I am sure the Glaziers at United thought that! "We will just have a cuddly moment" and then make a real nice decision that hopefully suits everyone. It is obvious to everyone, no matter who owns what! That what we have at the moment is not working.
Colin Gee
230 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:44:57
Guy #227 Watching Everton would make a tee-totaller go to the pub!
Colin Glassar
231 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:52:26
You got a ouija board Joe?
David Edwards
232 Posted 29/04/2016 at 21:58:12
Careful with those balls, Eugene.................arghhhhhhh!!
Joe O'Brien
233 Posted 29/04/2016 at 22:02:25
I think it might be getting to that stage Colin mate
John Critchley
234 Posted 29/04/2016 at 22:20:18
So where is this boardroom meeting then? I knew it sounded too good to be true that the manger's position would be discussed. Do me a favour, Kenwright – resign... along with your "What a manager" puppet.
Clive Lewis
235 Posted 29/04/2016 at 22:34:30
I am not sure but I expect the stewards and police will become suspicious of thousands and thousands of people with swollen testicles entering through the turnstiles. Maybe tennis balls is not a good idea.

Hopefully it will not cone to this and we will get an announcement tonight.

Antony Matthews
237 Posted 29/04/2016 at 22:42:44
Not so sure Clive. Lots of people wear bobble hats wink wink.
Damian Wilde
238 Posted 29/04/2016 at 22:47:33
Some posts making me laugh:

James (226)

"But why would anybody on earth pretend to be Elton Welsby...????"

Very good point!!!

..."thank God my local is a haven of top beer, otherwise I'd just fucking give up."

Some nice pale ales, IPAs and the like?

With everyone in that the board's silence is a disgrace.

Guy Hastings
239 Posted 29/04/2016 at 22:58:14
This is from Mail Online - Martinez/Carragher in discussion. Putting aside the content (if you can) I am intrigued that, given the little coverage we've had on our not so gentle decline over the past couple of seasons, how the EFC media/marketing guys are obviously allowing him full rein to make as full a defence of his run here as possible. I can only assume that this is OK'd at boardroom level - Elstone probably - which leads me to believe that he will still be here next season. Unless they are giving him enough rope to swing in the wind and see which way the media decides to blow.
Link
Brian Williams
240 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:11:50
Just read the Carragher interview. Ffs I'm even more worried than before.
The man IS deluded. He's like one of the old style military leaders continually ordering more and more to go "over the top" only to watch them get cut to shreds over and over again.
It's been said the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
The man is mad, end of!
If he stays we're fucked!
Carl Taylor
241 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:12:08
Holy Shit Guy, reading that Mail article makes me think he is staying....I won't sleep tonight now!!
Joe O'Brien
242 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:22:20
I don't think he's staying, but if he is they better have the stomach for the demonstrations on every match day. I really don't think Moshiri will put up with him. He's a smart guy. Even if Bill tries to keep him I can see Moshiri being ruthless to get his way because it'll be his money that RM will be losing
Gerry Quinn
243 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:26:14
According to the Daily Express, Germany manager Joachim Low is the new favourite to replace Roberto Martinez as manager of Everton football club.

With many supporters calling for Martinez be sacked, his future at Goodison park looks bleak to say the least. Everton haven't had the strongest campaign and have found themselves in the bottom half of the table this season.

Martinez still has three years left on his contract with the Toffees, but has admitted that he has received no assurances from the club that he will still be in charge come next season.
Infact, when questioned on whether he had received any assurances, Martinez stated: “No, no, no. I've been given no indication whatsoever. Clearly, that's not in my hands and that's not a question I can answer.”
With that being said, the bookies have slashed the odds on Martinez being replaced by Germany coach Joachim Low, in the summer.

Low is now 2/1 to be the next Everton manager – slashed from 20/1 – and a statement from Betfair read: “Soon to be out-of-work Manuel Pellegrini had been the 5/2 favourite to take over at Goodison Park with David Moyes 4/1 second favourite but after an avalanche of bets came in for the Joachim Low, the German manager has been slashed from 33/1 to 2/1 favourite

Bobby Thomas
244 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:26:52
In that Mail interview Martinez is bullish about his style of getting on the ball, dominating the ball & the team being key. He indicates reliance on individuals is a weakness.

As his tenure has progressed we rely on Lukaku more and more. Virtually no one else nets. He has also resorted to defending deeper & deeper and playing on the break, vacating the midfield with virtually no pressure on the ball & an isolated Lukaku, in a desperate and failed attempt to somehow shore up the defence as he finds it impossible to balance things and keep the back door shut in his preferred, phantom "winning" style. He's been doing that on and off, increasingly on, since autumn 2014.

He is totally deluded. He & his coaching staff do not get results.

Damian Wilde
245 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:28:55
Fuck me, just read the article. See how he bangs on about JC having a philosophy, etc. He thinks he's JC. And what really fucking annoys me is that he keeps going on about how great our away record is - IT ISN'T!!! We've drawn eight, lost theee - 11 we haven't won. Absolute fuckin' idiot, fuming

He also said he wouldn't change his style ever, not even game to game. If it's so successful as he claims why did Wigan go down?? Carragher shit out asking questions like this, typical redshite.

RM is getting it tomorrow at the match, I'm all for singing, protesting, etc.

Anthony Manning
246 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:30:31
Well I'm off to bed left feeling totally fucking ransacked by this board once again.

Are we really that unimportant to them that they didn't even feel the need to put a statement out just to even acknowledge a meeting had taken place.

Chris Wilson
247 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:44:59
Interesting that the percentages on the current ToffeeWeb poll for "Should Martinez be sacked" have changed. "Yes" votes have dropped from 95% to 94%. Still overwhelming, but didn't expect it to go down. Come on, fess up. Who did it?
Jay Wood
248 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:47:51
Short version of the Carragher interview: RM is not for changing.

He downplays the importance of actually winning football matches, emphasizes his desire to dominate games by retaining possession of the ball, rejects being over reliant on individual players, and continues to claim the team is better for all the adversity it has endured.

Admirable on one level, but delusional on another.

The question the board should be asking on the back of this interview is:

"Do we really want the club to be RM's guinea pig and testing laboratory and do we believe he can achieve the results he continues to promise?"

I know my answer. What's yours?

Chris Wilson
249 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:53:52
I see that interview in the Daily Mirror, Jay Wood. This must have happened yesterday, right? And is this just a Mirror interview?
Mike Hughes
250 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:54:10
Read the start of The Mail interview but started to gag so stopped.

Cruyff and Martinez in the same article.

Delusion personified.

Laughing stock.

Bill Gall
251 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:54:41
Are this board really meeting to discuss Martinez's future ? the silence is deafening.
Mike Hughes
252 Posted 29/04/2016 at 23:59:21
Chris #247

The 1% drop in Martinez Out votes is due to timing. People coming back from the pub on Friday night, half-tanked and not fully in control - or as RM might put it - "in an incredible moment."

Damian Wilde
253 Posted 29/04/2016 at 00:01:28
Althetico Madrid, Leicester Roberto?
James Flynn
254 Posted 30/04/2016 at 00:13:02
Bill (251) - "the silence is deafening."

Wonderful silence to me, Bill. Not a hint of support for Roberto from ownership.

Mike Hughes
255 Posted 30/04/2016 at 00:16:51
BREAKING NEWS ...............................

Everton manager Roberto Martinez says eight Premier League defeats at Goodison Park this season is "unacceptable". (Daily Mail)

Yes you heard it here first. It's on Saturday's BBC gossip column.

What a manager!

Bill Gall
256 Posted 30/04/2016 at 01:34:30
James. 254. Maybe there was no meeting so they are happy with the manager.
Ron Marr
257 Posted 30/04/2016 at 01:56:42
Board Meeting? Sounds like another fairy tale from Bungalow Bill
Chris Wilson
258 Posted 30/04/2016 at 02:18:13
Oh. Thanks for that Mike Hughes #252. Maybe those folks should have read this stupid Daily Mail article before they voted (if they could call upon enough lucidity to read it after a "phenomenal" night at the pub which showed "incredible character").

It was a disgusting read - I don't recommend it unless you're in the market for a new laptop of tablet. Because you might fling yours through the wall.

It's a lot of the same stuff he said in yesterday's press conference, but more polished. Blah blah blah haven't had the money to spend, blah blah blah I share the pain of our fans, blah blah we need to be stronger after this transfer window, blah blah our away form has been outstanding, blah blah, the second half of the FA Cup Semi-Final showed what kind of team we have (mentioned that at least three times). Blah.

There were many annoying things Roberto belched out in his interview (BTW Carragher, nice cream puff questions. I mean, real in-depth investigative reporting there "Pulitzer".) But I did find this insightful. According to Bobby, being sound defensively and hitting on the counter (like say Athletico Madrid and Leicester City) is the easiest way of playing and getting results and thus kind of...cheap. Or possibly parasitic. He declares that playing this style means "you will never over-achieve, you will never win silverware" - again, just like Atletico Madrid and Leicester City. Roberto's style, however will make us dynamic and dominant and not boring at all. And feel free to look at the 38 minutes of the FA Cup Semi-Final second half as proof.

Stephen Ashton
260 Posted 30/04/2016 at 02:44:11
Roberto Martinez = Football fascism
Brian Porter
261 Posted 30/04/2016 at 07:11:44
As usual,nothing to report from yet another supposed board meeting. I am now in total despair as we become the laughing stock of the Premier League. Unprofessional,non-responsive, completely out of touch with reality, and that's just the board. Now we hear Howard is being brought back for the last two home games. WHY? He was dropped for not being good enough and even though we are not yet mathematically safe Martinez allows sentimentality to override necessity by bringing Calamity Tim back to the team in what I perceive to be a cynical ploy to try and deflect criticism from himself if things go badly wrong on the pitch today.

I honestly think that both Martinez and the board, (B.K. especially) have totally misread the magnitude of dissatisfaction among the fanbase. I can only hope the planned protests at today's game are nit watered down just because Howard and a few of the kids have been included, (yet another cynical deflection tactic by Martinez). If we don't make it ABSOLUTELY clear to the board that Martinez,must go it will be a sadly missed opportunity and could end up with Martinez in the driving seat for another year, constantly stuck in reverse gear, heading for the relegation trapdoor. Can BK seriously not see what's happening out there on the pitch any longer? Is he so ill his eyesight is fading? Or, like my mother-in-law, has he suddenly been gripped by premature senility, seeing everything and everyone as 'lovely' and 'nice' and can longer be trusted to make objective decisions. I'm sorry, Bill, I know you're not well, but that makes it all the more imperative for you to bow out gracefully, accept an honorary life presidency and allow a professional to step in to save Everton F.C. before it's too late.
The longer Martinez is left in charge, the more fans,are turning their backs on the club, me included, after 57 years as a supporter. We simply can't take any more if his gut wrenching platitudes, his inept in-game management, unfathomable substitutions and only an idiot or a visitor from Uranus would fail to see that he's quite clearly lost the support of the dressing room.
Ross Barkley is, I suspect, only the tip of the iceberg in his reported refusal to consider a new contract as long as Martinez is manager. I wonder if Ross will now be frozen out as others before him have been, or forced to make an apology for his words, which could be 'misinterpreted'?
If we end up with most of our players in similar states of mind the whole first team squad could implode before our very eyes. Should that occur, there's little doubt that next season would see us in the same position as poor old Villa have been this year. Championship here we come, but it could all be avoided. Why not bring in Pellegrini on a short term one or two year contact and only extend it if he proves to be successful in turning our performances around?
Anything has to be better than the week by week retrograde steps we're taking under Martinez.

Tony Hill
262 Posted 30/04/2016 at 07:22:44
Brian, I am sure you speak for us all. It's the utter rudeness of the Board that gets to he most at the moment. We've had one public utterance (if you exclude encounters on the train or outside Wembley) and that was Kenwright's infamous interview post-Chelsea, with Moshiri like a ventriloquist's puppet.

As Nev has pointed out, they must know how angry and frustrated the fans are but they, quite deliberately, choose to ignore us. We should all remember that when deciding whether to put any money at all into the club's coffers.

Sad days.

Chris Kelly
263 Posted 30/04/2016 at 07:23:34
Puts in into perspective when you start to think of the managers we could get. Joachim Low versus Martinez....
If we don't dream big and go for the best manager we can, we are limiting our ambition going forward. Don't hate Martinez or Moyes, but think we need to change that lovely cuddly image of Everton as a nice club and get a real winner. If you go for any top job and surely managing in the Premier League is up there, then you generally have to have a track record of acheivement. Those who have not won a top league and not shown consistency over a period of time, with no record of attracting and improving top players need not apply. Simple!
Phil Walling
265 Posted 30/04/2016 at 09:17:30
I can only surmise that BK is in no rush to make an announcement because 'Our Davey' has told him he is not available until 1st June.

We shall all have to learn to be patient.

Brian Williams
266 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:14:20
To those who've opposed the idea of any sort of protest, be it on the grounds of health and safety, embarrassment, it being below us, or just a plain refusal to do anything other than tap keys on a keyboard, they should take a look at Arsenal's case.

New state-of-the-art ground that would suit as a national stadium, top four over God knows how many years, Champions and FA Cup winners in recent times... and yet they're planning protests today because they refuse to accept being what they perceive as also-rans. No small club mentality there for sure.

As I've said to those who have opposed my ideas on protests at today's game, it's your choice, but if you do nothing and Martinez remains in charge for next season, have the decency to stop your moaning on here.

If you care enough... DO SOMETHING!

Martin Nicholls
267 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:29:29
Chris #252. Spot on mate. For a guy who "feels the pain of the fans" he looked a lot more relaxed and cheerful than most fans after one of the worst weeks in our history. Martinez out. Kenwright out.
Robin Gomme
268 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:29:33
As an Evertonian of nearly 50 years I can still not believe it's come to this. I genuinely believed something would happen yesterday . More fool me.... The only explanation I can see is that the board are sure there will be a reaction today, that will make Martinez so uncomfortable he WILL resign, and their job is done for them. But then again.....
Martin Nicholls
269 Posted 30/04/2016 at 10:31:25
Sorry - meant Chris#258
Finn Taylor
270 Posted 30/04/2016 at 11:08:43
We will probably win today... we have almost lost sight of the team in this discussion... it could well be a high scoring affair... 5 - 4 or something... but this should not detract from the matter at hand...

BK's attitude... he will not sack Martinez. He does not want to be seen in public as if he has made the wrong judgement. It's that simple to him. Hence why I believe the crass 'what a manager' comment - it's my club folks. MINE.

Time to wake up and shake up, fans. If it's not persistent and consistent... they will think they can ride this one out from 'the fans.'

Mark Melton
271 Posted 30/04/2016 at 11:35:49
Joachim Loew?
Colin Glassar
272 Posted 30/04/2016 at 12:06:36
Does Loew really mean Lion in English? James The Lion? Sounds good.
Denis Richardson
273 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:08:11
Jochim Loew?? Jesus!

The guy has not managed a football club since 2004 and last managed a club in a top European league in 1990s!

Please let's keep the names this side of silly. (Managing a country is nothing like managing a club side.)

Colin Glassar
274 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:11:01
After watching Gillette Soccer Saturday I'm warming to Pellegrini.
Bill Gall
275 Posted 30/04/2016 at 14:11:07
Well after all the speculation of what we felt was going to happen to the manager from this meeting, once again we mushrooms, er supporters, were kept in the dark. Surprise, surprise.
James Marshall
276 Posted 02/05/2016 at 01:12:59
I've got a horrible feeling, and a tenner, that nothing happens. Martinez will be our manager next season so that Kenwright can save face over his appointment and comments.

They don't give a shit what we think.

Ernie Baywood
277 Posted 02/05/2016 at 01:38:36
They don't care what we think or say. They might care what we do?
Gavin Johnson
278 Posted 02/05/2016 at 01:47:46
Maybe the board are thinking that its more dignified if he's quietly ushered out of the door at the end of the season, like big Sam was at West Ham last season. It's not good for the fans though. BK's loyalties should be with us before Roberto. Without the fans the club is nothing.

At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if he's still here come August.

Tony Draper
279 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:03:16
Gavin @278 "At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if he's still here come August."

2017 ?
2018 ?

And you were referring to Roberto weren't you ?
Because Billy Bullshit will be with us no matter what we do.

Paul Burns
280 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:39:10
Bill Kenwright has been an unmitigated disaster for Everton Football Club since the day he walked in the door with his Boys Pen bullshit and has almost ruined the club. How anyone who claims to be an Evertonian can dispute that statement is beyond belief.

He has presided over the longest trophyless period in the history of the club, has sold off most of the club's assets, failed to run the club in a basic business like way while being in cahoots with shady asset strippers like Phillip Green and is a proven liar just over the King's dock stadium fiasco alone.

He lives in dreamworld, rambling on about the past while riding roughshod over shareholders and lifelong supporters and treating us like gullible fools.

The whole club lacks any ambition or direction and all the while Goodison Park rots away and a whole generation of fans see us as a joke and support Liverpool while the luvvy absentee landlord lives in London, 200 miles from the disaster unfolding before us.

The fact that he has fooled even a single Everton fan into believing that our club is in good hands under his bogus tender is unbelievable and heart breaking.

It doesn't matter who the manager is, it doesn't matter "getting behind the team" for the last few games, it doesn't matter what players come and go at the end of the season, until Everton FC has rid itself of the man who is killing the club then we will remain as sinking ship, a directionless joke and a disaster waiting to happen and all the tales of Dixie Dean, not carrying on like kopites and a club that behaves with class, will not prevent the looming catastrophe.

Ian McDowell
281 Posted 03/05/2016 at 20:37:10
I have read online according to sources close to the club he will go after the Norwich game. Just what I have read on various websites.
Ray Robinson
282 Posted 03/05/2016 at 22:42:05
Atletico drew 2-2 at Bayern Munich tonight with 28% possession. Leicester won the Premier League with an average 44% possession per game. Surely the tippy-tappy stuff advocated by Martinez has had its day? Barcelona and Spain perfected the style but it clearly only works with a group of outstandingly gifted players. New manager, new style of play urgently required.
Bill Gall
283 Posted 03/05/2016 at 22:50:18
Ray #282 . it is ironic that the 2 teams who adopt a style of play that Martinez believes is not the correct way to play, one is going to the championship final, and the other will have Martinez's side doing a line up of honor for winning the premier league.

As one ex player turned pundit said, It does not matter how long you have the ball, its what you do when you have got it.

Phil Sammon
284 Posted 03/05/2016 at 23:04:01
Whether tippy tappy stuff is your philosophy or aggressive high energy stuff like Atletico...the most important thing is HARD WORK and PRACTICE. That is RM's biggest downfall.

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