Martinez is under intense pressure from supporters following another disappointing league campaign and defeat in both semi-finals of the domestic cup competitions and there has been talk of protests by fans at this coming weekend's home clash with Bournemouth.
The Guardian's Andy Hunter, Paul Joyce in The Express and David Maddock in The Mirror all claim that Chairman Bill Kenwright and the rest of the directors, including Farhad Moshiri's representative, Sasha Ryazantsev, and possibly the club's majority shareholder himself will hold talks before the visit of the Cherries.
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1 Posted 25/04/2016 at 22:52:27
Bye bye Roberto..
2 Posted 25/04/2016 at 22:54:09
3 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:05:32
4 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:05:43
Conversely, if you have great team spirit and belief you can overcome many a tactical flaw. That's not us at present.
I am sorry it has not worked for RM. He has had moments when our forward play has been exciting. But the defence (or lack of) and the many problems off the field with Baines and Stones etc means its "adeu mon amic" as the Catalans say.
5 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:09:30
6 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:14:22
Players to be told that there is finances there to be spent. It needs to happen this week so the players can get excited about next season and their Everton futures, and not just to slowly meander towards the end of a awful miss managed season.
7 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:14:54
8 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:16:56
You can see the dressing rooms beat. Would anyone oppose Moyesy returning???
9 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:18:41
10 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:18:56
11 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:21:20
12 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:21:21
13 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:22:50
After the shenanigans with The 'Fro and Leighton, all the clandestine meetings and subterfuge... be gutted myself like.
14 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:23:49
16 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:26:52
17 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:29:17
Re DM coming back.....I think he's done his time with us. If it did nt happen in 10 years, its unlikely to happen even if given loads of money. With DM we were solid but rather dull at times. Not very School of Science.
I think we need someone to inspire and take us upwards and onwards. We have to believe / dream of being great again but who this person is I am not sure.
18 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:31:31
With our improved budget, the fact he knows half the squad and basically designed Finch Farm, we could do worse.
Many pundits and Utd fans are starting to revise their opinions of Moyes but his failure in Spain makes me wonder?
Never go back? Moyes would seriously have to hit the ground running and we'd have to start beating the sides we never could under him.
I still can't see who the obvious replacement would be. Lyndon came out with nearly a dozen options.
19 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:37:02
20 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:39:07
If for some reason the board do give him a vote of confidence, this will incense the fans more, and things could get ugly.
I suspect that Roberto Martinez is a very decent human being, but he is not worthy of being an Everton manager and he has been found out.
21 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:39:49
22 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:41:34
23 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:48:16
24 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:49:08
25 Posted 25/04/2016 at 23:52:34
Please NOT Moyes.
Hidink on a 3 year deal, Manchini, Pelagrini.
Gawd... not Moyes!!!
26 Posted 25/04/2016 at 00:02:23
27 Posted 25/04/2016 at 00:04:04
As much as I hate to admit it, Korporal Klopp has shown how crucial the managerial role is by transforming a pile of dross into a team, so we need something a bit more inspirational than the return of Moyes or the appointment of Eddie Howe (Moyes Mk2).
Martinez has assembled a promising bunch of talented players; we need a brave move for a man who can get them to stay at the club and learn to play as a team.
As we discovered with our beloved Howard, going back is rarely the answer; in the case of Moyes it would be an utter disaster.
28 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:10:27
My No1 choice would still be Mourinho, failing that AvB.
29 Posted 25/04/2016 at 00:10:29
I want to see the back of 'nice-guy' Martinez and get someone in who has a clue and has a Plan A, B and C in his repertoire.
30 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:10:47
31 Posted 25/04/2016 at 00:12:15
However, I would be surprised if a blind eye policy was adopted by the club towards sites like TW. Not to the level of individual posts obviously (who does Dave on the live forum want as DM for the Leicester match? Tell McCarthy to put his kecks back on).
But I'd be amazed if someone was not monitoring broad opinion. I'm assuming of course that EFC have moved into the 21st century - which is not a given.
If they are not aware of the polls on TW, then they are not listening to their customers.
32 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:13:31
33 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:15:02
34 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:16:22
But, no, I'm not arguing for a Moyes return - far from it.
35 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:17:16
Martinez's big flaw coming into the job was his defense. I hoped that he could find a way to utilize his attacking systems while fortifying the back but the defense is probably worse now than it's ever been. I don't think he's capable of creating that delicate balance.
Bottom line, there's really no choice at this point, he has to leave. Martinez had to realize when Moshiri arrived that he needed to win and show improvement and instead, things actually got much worse. I still like Roberto and wish him well but he can't come back from this debacle.
36 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:18:06
37 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:20:22
A point that needs raising though, Barkley.
Fuck, For the Young lads on the Site listen to CCR.
He is getting right royally fucked by Martinez, This **** is thinking that he is going to turn him into the next. WTF ??? There is no next just New.
Barkley is a BEAST but being TOLD by this prick how to play. NOT go and play. .....
This is just 1 reason why he should be sacked.
38 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:22:24
He had more than enough time at the helm and failed.
Grow a pair and demand the best, no compromise.
39 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:30:24
Tennis balls? Seriously? That I have to see!
40 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:38:39
41 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:42:07
(If he could get us back to winning ways before the season is out, it's also a chance to put two fingers up to Martinez after his recent sly dig).
42 Posted 26/04/2016 at 00:57:57
Seriously, I could cry when I see the appalling train wreck of what was once a great club. BK and the board can see what's happening right before their eyes but continue to turn a blind eye to reality.
The reality is, we are already worse than Villa. Why do I sat that?
Well, in the season before this, Aston Villa were not exactly perceived as a particularly bad team despite their boardroom difficulties. They reached the F.A. Cup Final, and their fans came within a hair's breadth of seeing their team win silverware. Then they sold their two best players and failed to find adequate replacements. They stuck with their lane duck manager until it was clear they were heading for the drop this season and appointed Remi Garde when it was already too late, the rot had set in and we've all seen the result. Oh yes, and they had no direct situation with which to compare their plight. What's different about Everton?
We have had an awful season, with the worst home record in our history. We have NOT reached the cup final. Please note Roberto, semi finals don't go down in history as success! Our boardroom has not been a place of internal strife all season. We DO have a lame such manager however, who insists two consecutive bottom half finishes is progress!
See the difference?
Our board is supposedly in harmony , not fractured, we have failed in every competition this year, at least Villa made their final, and though Lambert did acknowledge the immense task that lay ahead of him at the end of last season, our dick of a manager insists everything is hunky dory, we're making progress and we should be grateful to have such a phenomenal, incredible manager at our club.
So, basically, Villa didn't see what was coming, whereas we have their experience with which to compare our own. How many points have we picked up since January? Already relegation form has set in. Any knowledgeable board would look at our current situation and see precisely where we are headed under Martinez's leadership. Unlike Villa, they have the opportunity to do something NOW to rectify the situation. Next season will be too late. Once we are in that relegation zone, as Villa have shown, even a new, experienced manager may not be able to save us.
If they don't do the right thing and get rid of Martinez at the earliest possible juncture, Aston Villa will be waiting for us in the championship.
I for one will not be watching another game as ling as Martinez is manager. I suffer from chronic heart failure and unstable angina and I can't take the stress of seeing my club implode even further. After 57 years supporting the greatest club in the world, Roberto Martinez has turned my great passion for Everton into a bloody health hazard for me! Great legacy Roberto, and the same message goes to BK too. Mr. Kenwright, if you really are a true blue as you profess to be, you MUST put Everton F.C. ahead of your friendship with Martinez and pull the trigger on his managerial reign, RIGHT NOW.
43 Posted 26/04/2016 at 01:01:46
We need top class but not some fossil like Pellegrini or Hiddink. Koeman, Tuchel, Simeone, Mourinho, someone of that ilk to change the mediocre, losing, hard luck ethos that clings to this club like a limpet.
44 Posted 26/04/2016 at 01:04:30
45 Posted 26/04/2016 at 01:55:20
Are people really suggesting we take Moyes back??
46 Posted 26/04/2016 at 01:57:58
50 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:13:46
52 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:22:01
53 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:36:36
54 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:41:45
Imagines next Saturday's Echo..
"..as the Bournemouth players celebrated the goal, one or two tennis balls were thrown on to the pitch, then more and more came, each one with 'Martinez out' written on. It was at this point that Martinez was felled by what appeared to be a cricket ball attached to a large firework-type rocket that seemed to be fired into the home technical area from The Lower Bullens Road stand. And it was only seconds after this incident that Bill Kenwright was knocked cold by a medicine ball dropped from the top balcony. The words 'cop for that you fat-headed Tom Pepper' could be clearly seen written on the ball. Detective inspector Ron Savage said 'We weren't able to make arrests but have narrowed the suspects down to 38,000 potential..."
55 Posted 26/04/2016 at 02:43:24
56 Posted 26/04/2016 at 03:18:20
If Leicester beats United, they will be presenting the trophy at their home game against us. Hopefully by that game, we would all have something to celebrate too.
57 Posted 26/04/2016 at 03:31:54
"Would anyone oppose Moyesy returning???"
You're either a WUM or very new to these pages. Whilst there are a number of users of TW who have only ever known mediocrity who wouldn't be averse to his return, there's plenty more who would.
58 Posted 26/04/2016 at 04:27:16
What's the relevance of tennis balls? I'm sure I saw another club do it, but it feels like a bit of a weird continental thing. Mind you, I haven't offered any ideas up myself.
I also don't think 21 is particularly appropriate. I can accept not winning trophies, but just can't accept people bullshitting me and telling me to appreciate being served a shit sandwich. 18 and 78 surely has more resonance?
59 Posted 26/04/2016 at 04:53:23
60 Posted 26/04/2016 at 04:55:10
Something must be happening please.
62 Posted 26/04/2016 at 05:30:48
63 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:24:30
Not at all what we'd hoped for but could be a lot worse.
Story guys !
64 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:27:14
65 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:30:27
66 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:46:44
67 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:52:44
68 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:54:17
Moyes: Solid, defensive oriented, mid table manager. I got the feeling he was bored before he left for greener pastures. Kind of burnt his fences along the way. Seventhish wasn't good enough then, and it's not good enough now. Been there, done that.
I've have to admit, I'm not very well versed with all the managers that might be available, but I know the Moyes and Martinez fairly well. There has to be a more suitable candidate than these two, somewhere.
69 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:56:12
70 Posted 26/04/2016 at 06:56:18
Moyes stayed probably 3 years too long but his tenure was definitely a success. Does everyone forget how bad we were when he arrived? We were shocking. Regularly fighting relegation and buying players like Gemmill, Alexanderson, an over the hill Ginola and Gazza etc...pretty bloody awful. He started from rock bottom. Roy Keane once mentioned that Goodison was just a place to go and get 3 points!
Well Moyes changed all that. He made Goodison a fortress and a horrible place for teams to come. Yeah we had some work horse sides at the beginning, but they were teams that would run through brick walls for each other. Then he was able to add quality and that squad of around 2008/9 played some excellent football. Better than anything Martinez has produced because the football flowed all game not just in 2 minute spurts like Martinezs so called breathtaking product. Give me Arteta,Pienaar, Baines , Cahill and the rest anytime over the pampered underperforming shite we have now.
Moyes was a success in what he did because he fullfilled what he was employed to do. Stabilise Everton and make them respectable again. In fact he probably over achieved in some respects. When he came, all we craved was mid table mediocrity. When he left we all demanded top 4 and trophies. Not a bad leap in expectation. Instead of getting someone who could take us forward and make the next step to top 4 and trophies, we got this idiot who came out with ridiculous phrases like "I don't care about clean sheets" and "I would rather win a game 5 4 than 1 0" fucking clown. No self respecting manager who wins things would ever utter such rubbish. As for being entertaining,well the slow erosion of the atmosphere at Goodison should tell you everything you need to know about how entertaining this Everton team is. Best football seen for a generation? Do me a favour. Moyes teams of 2009 pisses all over this team.
As I said earlier, I have no desire to see Moyes back,but lets not forget what he did for our club and stop rewriting history about how shit our football supposedly was. Goodison was never quiet when he was manager!!
71 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:02:08
Best group of players in 30 years and the talent is being wasted. Interesting to see Moyes commenting on the derby game the other night. Kept referring to Everton as "we".
If it was left to Ken he could be on his way back. I can't see it happening with the new board we need to aim higher.
72 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:07:20
74 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:43:28
I also believe that, if the board do not sack Martinez before Saturday, then we can only interpret this as a misreading of the fans feelings against Martinez.
Prevent a demonstration, grow a pair, and get rid of Martinez before Saturday.
75 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:46:53
Get real he done what six more would of done, he's a loser and a limited one at that. I'm thankful to the Catt and Howie not some divis from Preston.
76 Posted 26/04/2016 at 07:49:10
I truly hope we don't settle for just doing things safely, it's time we started breaking the habit at Everton and acted big, there's so many options out there but it will smack of laziness if we just go back to what we once knew, we did it with Kendall and it backfired fantastically.
I'm not forgetting that Moyes stabilised the club and made us a solid outfit but the players are totally different now, there's no Cahill, no Arteta, No Fellaini, no Pienaar, Jagielka, Baines, Osman and Hibbert all coming the end soon.
It would be a very different landscape for David Moyes this time around.
77 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:14:54
I may be wrong here but for all those complaining that Moshiri won't be at any proposed meeting this coming week, as a resident of Monaco, isn't he limited to the number of days that he is allowed to spend in this country? Wouldn't it be better for him (and us) if he saved his allocated days on something else involving the club and his business interests? What's the point in having staff if you don't trust them? Surely the ability to delegate responsibility to trusted colleagues should be a given in his world.
78 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:16:21
Martinez out and a businesslike search set in place and theres hope for our club.
IF there really is Ã meeting !
79 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:20:48
80 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:21:50
As to his replacement? David Moyes was busy planning the next campaign at Carrington while still "managing" Everton. He showed his lack of morals and lack of respect for the club then and I for one would not welcome him back.
We should not even be considering him - he had money at Man U and blew it. he inherited the title winning team and blew it. He isn't a winner. His teams were hard working and honest, but not winners.
We need a proper name if we want to keep any of our "star" players. The likes of Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche and David Moyes might be touted by the media, but would they be able to convince Stones, Barkley, Lukaku etc.. to stay? I'm not convinced they would.
That lot over the park got Klopp . . . we need to match them. We have the money now, but have we the ambition to go for Mourinho, Simione or De Boor?
It looks like Man U are dragging their heels over Mourinho - how about a cheeky bid? Wake the sleeping giant, Jose?
81 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:22:07
Apparently Moshiri wants a manager from Europe according to the Express, so that would rule Moyes out. It would also be a positive sign he had taken control of the club in the way we anticipated.
If Moyes were to return it's obvious BK is still the man pulling the strings, and although I'd take Moyes stability over Martinez choas all day long, it would however be a backwards step and not what we all really want or need.
82 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:22:23
It was really effective when Dortmund did it.
It stops the game SAFELY and cannot be missed, hammers home the point, especially if each one DID have Martinez out written on it.
Imagine even as few as a thousand on the pitch.
Then imagine five, ten thousand!!!
83 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:24:06
84 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:27:15
85 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:29:48
I wanted Moyes out and don't want him back but you are correct about rewriting history.
It's a bit like this apparent fast free flowing attractive football we have been playing under Martinez.
I think history will not have to be rewritten about it.
It's utter rubbish !
86 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:30:18
Trevor #81 "Apparently Moshiri wants a manager from Europe according to the Express, so that would rule Moyes out." The thing is, Moyes (as the rest of us) is in Europe, so we could still end up with him!
87 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:32:46
He is not a winner! In the modern era we have had two great managers, Harry Catterick and Howard Kendal, three goodish managers in Billy Bingham, Gordon Lee and Joe Royle, then the rest who were a dead loss. Moyes was OK for 3 or 4 years but then it became apparent that he just didn't have the mentality of a winner. Really though he just looked good because of the awful managers we had before him like Mike Walker and Walter Smith. My heart sank when we appointed them. It's as though whoever has run our club in recent years hasn't had a clue about football.
If they don't make the right decision we will end up like Villa.
88 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:33:53
I'm genuinely curious as to who would advise Moshiri on a managerial appointment (assuming it's not Bill or any of his henchmen).
89 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:36:33
One more thing, this managers are risks malarkey. Bullshit. Taking a step outside your front door is a risk. Nothing worthwhile in life is achieved through caution. Life is a risk and so it it should fucking be. The way this club is ran, is like Lancaster Gate. Incompetents who know nothing about football, never have done, never will, that's why they never had the balls to hire Brian Clough.
With any luck we'll take a giant leap into the 21st century and leave this Gentleman's club, we're nice, it's the participating that counts, think about the kids, youth policy nonsense behind. Anyone decent, like Wayne Rooney will leave 'cause we've had zero ambition for over two decades. Feck off. Leave that PC crap behind and resign it to the dustbin of history.
Or we could just go another generation of winning fuck all. Don't see our former peers or neighbours following that game plan.
90 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:37:15
I completely agree with every part of that post and have made similar points elsewhere on here.
People need to consider the state of affairs when anyone new comes in.
Unfortunately, if this snake oil salesman remains much longer, any new manager will be looking at a stabilising / rebuilding job again. Every day with RM in post is treading water at best. In the words of Alan Sugar - "Roberto, ..."
91 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:38:40
We can say we were unlucky in both semis to a point... perhaps he can learn. It's down to the board and it's their money and as supporters we have a choice either go or stay at home. Let's just bury Bournemouth on Saturday, tear one off Leicester City and put Sunderland to the sword and go out in a blaze of glory to Norwich.
92 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:43:55
93 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:50:19
94 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:50:59
95 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:55:38
Dein is still regarded as 'a mover and shaker' in football circles and travels the world in that cause.
Just a thought.
96 Posted 26/04/2016 at 08:59:32
I wonder if Matt Traynor has any thoughts on this?
97 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:00:16
98 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:07:31
We as fans have some blame in all this mess. We don't complain enough - I mean we do enough debating on forums such as this one but in all the time I've been going to Goodison Park I've very rarely seen the fans protest properly. We just accept this shit!
It's about fucking time the hardcore fans gave Kenright and the board something to think about. I saw a recent suggestion by a TW'r saying the fans should walk out on 78 minutes at home games! I think those actions will touch a nerve as opposed to forums like this one or relying on the spineless media to do this for us.
It worked for Liverpool not long ago so it can work for us.
99 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:19:06
100 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:21:23
Getting Evertonians to do anything in unison is like herding cats.
Even the cushion throwing, was just a one off the cuff reaction. I guess that's what make us different and at the same time open to putting up with abysmal leadership.
101 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:26:47
102 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:31:12
The ToffeeWeb poll only had 2500 votes, and it was anonymous. There are approx. 30,000 plus season ticket holders, which means this site had a voting percentage of less than 8% as an absolute maximum of game go-ers. Add to that the majority of people on here appear not to go to the games - for whatever reason - and this site is not very representative of the game going Evertonians.
These are the people who BK, Mr Moshiri and others would be concerned about, if protests became large scale and consistent in their aims. A straw poll on ToffeeWeb probably not have even been brought to their attention, and I can't see them willingly logging on and checking it out!
The 'tennis ball' protest seems a reasonable idea, as does a timed walk-out. These things need organised though, and unless people are working in the back-ground co-ordinating these efforts, they will end up as both insignificant, and counter-productive.
My preferred choice would be to walk away from the stands at a certain allotted time, wait 10 or 15 minutes on the concourse, keeping silent, then walk back into the arena and re-take the seats. I really think this would send a powerful message to the new 'owner', and would be more in line with 'The Everton Way'. We have more class than to hoist vitriolic banners, threaten people etc.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
103 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:31:25
We need to start acting like a big club, if we still proclaim to be one.
104 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:36:59
105 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:38:51
106 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:51:37
Only last evening, the guy who took over my season tickets rang to make the same observation. 'You are making a lot of noise for someone who's seen only one game at Goodison this season', he told me. 'Two good wins will change the humour of the crowd entirely.'
Whilst I would like to think that those of us who follow the Club from afar (2000 miles in my case ) are just as much Evertonians as the regular match-goers, it is the behaviour and reactions of the latter that influences the power brokers - particularly those as entrenched as BK.
As long as a season ticket membership of some 26,000 and a 'five figure' walk-up ' is maintained, what could possibly be wrong ???
107 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:52:02
Every one of them is united in their condemnation of Roberto Martinez, without exception.
108 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:55:14
109 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:57:33
110 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:57:47
This is a great idea:
My preferred choice would be to walk away from the stands at a certain allotted time, wait 10 or 15 minutes on the concourse, keeping silent, then walk back into the arena.
111 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:57:55
112 Posted 26/04/2016 at 09:58:11
113 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:03:27
114 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:34:19
Even going to the game on Saturday, and staying in the concourse for the first 10 minutes in silence would make a huge statement.
115 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:35:31
This side has no comparison to the '80s side regarding the football they play, this side would have been kicked off the park if they played in the '80s.
Please no more Moyes.
117 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:49:47
It couldn't be ignored, would stop the game, and get the message across. (It's also non threatening and safe).
For those who find this over the top or offensive, do nowt and continue to moan when Martinez remains.
119 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:51:28
120 Posted 26/04/2016 at 10:56:32
121 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:06:56
122 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:15:41
123 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:18:31
124 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:21:58
126 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:29:38
Desperate times need desperate measures.
..and if tennis players can survive being hit in the dial by a tennis ball travelling at over a 90mph I'm sure footballers will survive "possibly" being hit by one at 10mph, although some of em would probably dive and roll around.
Each to their own but when you read up on the Dortmund supporters action it was brilliant!
127 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:34:29
Bang on the money. If the club has one iota of pride, Moyes should NEVER return to work for the club in any capacity.
That said, there is a lot of Orwellian 1984 rewriting of history of the achievements AND the quality of football played under Moyes. As you rightly point it, GP was never the hushed library it is today under Martinez.
There is more rewriting of our modern history under RM that he has got us consistently playing higher quality football. A total myth.
128 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:37:17
And I couldn't care less what he did as Man Utd manager. He was in someone else's employment.
The next guy inherits a very good team, and will have money to spend at a sleeping giant. That's not Roberto or David's opportunity - it's a huge opportunity for someone with pedigree.
129 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:38:51
I'm hoping they already have a list of managers ready to interview and have told the players, or will tell them after the match on Saturday, their plans for the future.
My guess is, if that's the case, they may well leave Martinez in charge for the next few games and inform him that he will leave "by mutual consent" or whatever they call it, at the end of the season.
I'd like to see Stonesy stay, as I think with a good coach, he could become a top class player. I don't know about Ross Barkey to be honest, capable of flashes of brilliance but doesn't seem to have a clue about his role on the defensive side of the game.
However, I'd hope he'd want to stay, along with Deulefeu and Mo Besic, Seamus, in fact all the younger players along with saome of the more senior pros.
Lukaku, seems determined to play on another stage, so get the best money we can for him and give a new manager, a massive transfer budget and the whole Summer break, to start work on the resurgence of EFC.
My preference would be that he leaves now and Joe Royle take charge until a new manager takes charge; but there's contractual stuff that might prevent it.
As for who, I just hope they don't go for Moyes. I recognise what he did but I think they should be looking for the very best man can convince to become our manager.
130 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:39:15
131 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:41:30
How about we take a pack of balloons or tissues and hand them out to those around where you sit.
Blow the balloons up and wave them, same with the tissues!
132 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:41:49
Unless Kenwright somehow convinces Moshiri that Moyes is the answer. That would be the end of it for me...twice he's failed since leaving us. Not managing a single full season at either united or sociedad. Nevermind, the fact he fleeced us for 20m with his last contract and treated us with utter contempt. It would be back to 451 with strikers running the channels again. No thanks!
134 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:42:23
135 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:43:19
"One more thing, this managers are risks malarkey. Bullshit. Taking a step outside your front door is a risk. Nothing worthwhile in life is achieved through caution."
Agreed Jack. In life people justify NOT taking action because they "can't afford it," be that due to financial, emotional, family or social restrictions.
Such a response needs to be inverted on occasion to "I can't afford NOT to do it."
Because to maintain the existing status quo actually comes at a higher price.
Everton simply cannot afford to continue with Roberto Martinez at the helm.
136 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:44:15
Moyes came along and got us out of the spin,got us steady and flying on an even keel. Over the years he got us climbing higher and up to 25,000 feet . Unfortunately everyone else is flying at 39,000.and that's where we want to be or higher.
He didn't have it then and he doesn't have it now.
We can't have him back .
Kites don't fly with yesterday's wind.
Klopp has shown what can be done.
We need a manager with a football brain, who will galvanize our players and will also look to the younger staff we have at the club.
I don't particularly want someone who "Gets Everton"
as long as they are good at the job.
I want someone who will get hold of Everton and give
it a good shake .
Spring is here. Let's get the secateurs, cut out all the dead wood brush it all away.
We move on.
137 Posted 26/04/2016 at 11:55:31
I can't see DM coming back although some papers are stating he would wish to. I wouldn't be surprised if the choice is left until the end of the season to see what happens elsewhere. I think it needs to be someone with European experience and either Pelligrini or Rafa would be my choice. If Newcastle manage to stay up they would have to buy out his contract.
I just hope it is sorted before the week-end as ths will be best for all including Martinez.
138 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:01:24
I have been listening to the outcome of the inquest and the emotions that come with it and it struck me that we would rightly refrain from hitting the news stand with news of his departure. If we did we would be accused of choosing a good day to bury bad news.
139 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:01:26
Success is earned.
140 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:02:46
141 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:03:01
Having said that, we do need a new manager but maybe Martinez can be given a role of CEO or something. Just not managing the first team.
142 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:15:15
Moyes came along and got us out of the spin,got us steady and flying on an even keel. Over the years he got us climbing higher and up to 25,000 feet . and we thank him for that.
Unfortunately everyone else is flying at 39,000.and that's where we want to be or higher.
He didn't have it then and he doesn't have it now.
We can't have him back .
Kites don't fly with yesterday's wind.
Klopp and Pochettino have shown what can be done.
We need a manager with a football brain, who will galvanize our players and will also look to the younger staff we have at the club.
I don't really want Jose M. , he seems to use a football club as vehicle for his ego and besides he usually buys players instead of looking to what's at the club and ,rightly or wrongly seems to me to be disrespectful to his staff
I don't particularly want someone who "Gets Everton"
as long as they are good at the job. They will get us eventually.
I want someone who will get the 11 on the pitch playing as a team.
I want someone with his assistants to look at all our playing staff and coaches and sort them out. No sentiment ,old boys etc.. They must all be fit for purpose.
I want someone who will get hold of Everton and give
it a good shake .
Spring is here. Let's get the secateurs, cut out all the dead wood brush it all away.
There is somebody out there.
We've kissed too many frogs in the past.
We move on.
143 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:20:51
"Everton? EVERFUCKINGTON!? Jesus Christ man, are ye a complete fuckin' balloon? D'ye no remember gettin' booed tae fuck oot the place when ye wuz with United? Grim fuckin reaper ring any bells? Plus ye basically telt them tae hand over Baines and that other big twat-headed goon fer 20 nicker and a bag o' sweeties. Well if you want tae go back, it's up tae you, but yer'll be goin' by yersel. And remember, when yev just lost 7 games on the boonce, ah won't be theer tae rub calamine all awa yer fuckin' nervous rash."
144 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:26:24
Could it possibly be that they have failed themselves and it's time for them to move on. Whoever is to be manager ?
145 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:30:39
146 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:36:07
Stones was, in my opinion, excellent in the second half. Maybe this was due to the rumoured 'dressing room revolt' in which players took it upon themselves to play the way they know how in the second half. Apart from a stunning penalty save from De Gea, and several missed opportunities by Romlak in particular, united could have been on the wrong end of a hiding, instigated by the players.
The talent is there, the coaching and management is not.
147 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:37:45
148 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:37:57
Similar to the way David Moyes should have been treated?
149 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:45:07
The defining moment may have come weeks ago, probably after the West Ham capitulation, but when Baines rolled his eyes whilst listening to his BS at Anfield, that confirmed to me the players had long since stopped believing in anything he had to say.
Some are saying it's done deed, with the board just biding their time until they officially announce his dismissal, which is in everyone's best interests at this point. Martinez cannot say he wasn't supported either by the fans or financially, but how can anyone back a manager who loses nearly 50% of his home League games?
I just hope we get someone in who can make the most of the fantastic support and financial backing that has been promised. Let's also hope we can rely on those in power to conduct their search on a global scale, and not look towards some past players, managers, or anyone who cannot attract major names to play for them. They could ask for some advice from the Southampton board, who were accused of short term thinking when they got rid of Nigel Adkins and subsequently hired Pochettino and Koeman. The parochial, 1970's outlook at the club has to be consigned to history.
We all know the first requirement on BK's list is someone who won't rock the boat, or speak out of turn. Not a particularly good starting point if you ask me. Anyone in any position of power at the club has to firstly worship at the feet of Kim Jong Bill before they are offered the position. That situation desperately needs addressing before we can move on.
150 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:45:49
151 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:47:53
"New suit!? Achhh dinnae be so daft, yon manager is beyond peely wally - whit guid is an expensive suit gonnae dae him? (rolls eyes) Remember, ye cannae make a silk purse oot a pig earrrrrr'
152 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:48:26
153 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:51:40
154 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:51:48
155 Posted 26/04/2016 at 12:57:17
Did Moyes really fail them? They weren't ready surely?
156 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:04:17
157 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:07:14
Yes, Martinez has his own failings regarding team selection and strategies but Stones and Barklay have for the most part not been able to show the improvement nor consistency necessary to help make this Everton outfit proper contenders for anything.
I think both, despite having enormous talent have failed to respond after all the hoopla of a year ago when media reported possible big money transfers.
Their body language of late seems to indicate they want out and it wouldn't surprise anyone if Rom went too !
158 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:07:22
More like BK saying 'so you'd like me to have a word with Davy then ?'
160 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:15:38
161 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:17:26
If fact, Moyes must be the only manager in world football who would even be considered by some Blues in regards to being our new manager with that sort of record. That's after saying publicly he was 'going on to bigger & better things' after leaving. CLUB. WE. DESERVE!!! Unfuckingbelievable.
162 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:18:53
Martinez out may not even get a mention on the news.
163 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:22:27
164 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:26:23
166 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:29:04
Yet despite this together with the lame semi-final appearance that surely there was no question of him lasting this long. The thing is Kenwright has finally found a manager that will assure us of Championship football. So why would he want to get rid of the man who can bring what he's been wanting all along.
167 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:30:08
In case you don't, I will spell it out for you: When Moyes joined we were bottom third of the table team. We finished in the following positions in the 10 years previous: 15, 16, 13, 14, 17, 15, 6, 15, 17, 13.
Martinez contrastingly inherited a top 7 team. We had finished in the following positions in the previous 10 years of Moyes's Everton: 6, 7, 7, 8, 5, 5, 6, 11, 4, 17.
So Moyes inherited a team with one top 10 finish in 10 years, and only one finish higher than 13th. Martinez inherited a team with 8 out of 10 top finishes and only one finish lower than 13th.
Moyes managed to transform us on a shoestring budget. We spent around £2 million net a year under him.
Martinez conversely has spent more money than we ever have in the Premier League. Despite vastly outspending Moyes he is on course to achieve a second bottom half finish in 3 seasons. So Martinez has done the reverse of what Moyes managed he is turning a top 7 team into a bottom half team after spending alot more money than Moyes ever had.
Well done Martinez he failed spectacularly in cup competitions which no one is really taking that seriously. It's not a coincidence that no top 4 team made the semis of the FA Cup it's a product of the complete transformation of interest from the cup to the league. The league is where the money is, and holds the hallowed possibility of UCL Football. In the league Martinez has overwhelmingly failed and threatens to rob us of some of the most talented players of the Premier League era.
I don't want Moyes back but I want a manager who can, at the very least, get us achieving what this squad is capable of. I can think of no Premier League manager who so clearly deserves the sack as much as he does. He has been an abject failure for 2 years and we cannot stand for it.
168 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:38:26
Of course we don't want Moyes back but we DO want Martinez gone and these two posts put it perfectly in perspective.
The sensible thing to do (do we do sensible?) is to put Unsy in charge for the final four games of the season simply to give the board breathing space to make the right decision. Secondly, I think Unsy might just slip one or two youngsters to see how they cope. I am particularly thinking of more game time for Connolly; Davies and especially Dowell.
Cheerio RM and don't slip on those tennis balls on the way out.
169 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:41:46
I'm not so sure that the young players have failed themselves. They are both in the England squad and I'd like to see how they fare with another (but hopefully top class) coach.
I don't think Elstone dare just support Kenwright, not if he wants to keep his job. My view is that the decision for Martinez to go has been made and that the meeting is about the manner and timing of his departure.
Mind you, they might just keep him; and see what he can do with the oodles of cash he's on about spending.
170 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:42:41
In football the word will have spread that he is a bullshitter, and his star is fading. We simply have to terminate his contract ASAP in order to keep our best players and attract more to a new, inspiring management team.
For me, it has to be Koeman.
171 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:49:02
I want Martinez out, just struggling to think who realistically we might end up with instead......
172 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:51:40
Based on current form they leave doubts about winning another game but one cannot see Sunderland or Norwich winning 4 either.
I would like to see some youngsters start the next game especially young Dowell but until the points are in the bag Martinez (if still around) will keep the same underachievers.
Dowell may come off the bench.
173 Posted 26/04/2016 at 13:54:30
174 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:03:16
I wouldn't be too upset if Moyes returned, he wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse, like keeping Martinez.
175 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:09:04
Presuming there is cash available, we need a manager at a higher level now, one with more of a pedigree.
The Martinez experiment was a worthy one: a younger, high potential manager, with silverware behind him, some quite nice football, and a reputation as a reasonable coach. It hasn't worked. We are heading backwards.
And a Moyes return now would be more wheel spinning (albeit at a higher level in the table). He may not have had much time at the Manure, but he did have money. It didn't work for him.
We need to look forward, not at the rear view mirror. Moyes no thanks (doesn't mean it couldn't happen though).
176 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:28:59
178 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:43:56
He sent players out with awe and fear, when he should have made them believe, that they could beat anyone. Shankly, Clough, need I say more. And even what Ranieri has done is truly unbelievable.
179 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:47:38
180 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:57:29
181 Posted 26/04/2016 at 14:58:46
182 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:01:42
As for Moyes coming back, I have huge amount of respect for him and what he did turning the club around and working on a tight budget - but the comments shortly after leaving have left a bad taste and I think we all need to move on to something fresher... Koeman for me, but its that bad I'd be open minded about anyone!
183 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:04:58
Any way today with all this Hillsborough stuff going on is not the day to sack him do it tomorrow...PLEASE... just do it.
184 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:10:12
Marcelino (villareal), Tuchel (Dortmond), Koeman.
185 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:19:55
187 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:30:13
Sorry mate, take offence to your last sentence. This is all about opinions, and mine (I would have Benitez at GPtomorrow) is just as valid as yours.
I would also have Moyes back before the likes of Howe and Dyche who have been touted on here.
We'll have to wait and see
188 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:38:53
Demos always look daft when you are winning !
189 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:42:51
If anything a demo when you're winning could be even more effective.
190 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:52:58
I certainly wouldn't want him back on a permanent basis, as it would be a step backwards...but the board could simply be looking at a stop gap whilst they search for new manager (like Koeman, or De Boer). He does know some of the players (and staff) well after all.
191 Posted 26/04/2016 at 15:56:31
193 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:00:35
Could we tempt Bilic? Doubt it, but who knows?
194 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:17:52
All due respect, but the guy's a living dinosaur as far as a team like us who wants, needs, to move onwards and upwards is concerned!!! ('Knows the players' someone said.. er, yeah, as in he got to know em over ten years and still took us NO-WHERE!!!)...
195 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:21:25
Maybe because over here college and pro coaches leave for other schools and jobs so frequently, I view it differently than some seem to. Moyes finished his contract out at Everton. Yes, he was looking for a job while doing so, but doesn't everyone? He didn't tank the remainder of the season. Everton finished 6th and finished with a higher points total than the season before. I guess I see his shopping for a job as a big "so what" since it didn't effect the team's performance.
As for Everton, Moyes did a pretty solid job of making the team hard to beat. He and the players were let down by the club ownership. For those claiming he didn't do enough, well maybe, but when was he ever provided the funds that RM has had? Do you really think Moyes wanted to sell our best players? His teams played for 90 minutes and were organized and had "chemistry."
I find it odd that RM gets criticized for not caring about clean sheets while some of the same people have found the clean sheet philosophy of Moyes to be a problem too. Despite emphasizing defensive teams, I remember Moyes' teams playing overall good football, never too one-dimensional and never disjointed. As for his knife to a gun fight phrasing, at least it helps to realistically dictate the tactics. Besides, when was a Moyes team really ever armed with a gun to bring to the fight? Besides, even if he did have one, it would probably have been a stage gun or starter pistol provided by BK from one of his productions anyway.
Do I want Moyes back? Yes, but only if the following are not available or persuaded to come ($$): Simeon, Bielsa, Tuchel, Puel, Koeman, or Pochettino. I know what Moyes can do at a minimum, and it was better than average. While I don't know what he can do with the resources that would be available to him now, I can only imagine it would be to challenge for top four and CL regularly just like he challenged for top 5-8 and Europa League regularly before.
196 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:33:14
Oh how short some memories appear to be.
Without even going into the playing side of things the man's behaviour immediately leading up to and soon after he left was atrocious.
You don't give someone employment for ten years or so, let them organize their new job while they should be working for you, and then voice insults once they've left................and them offer them their job back.
FFS want better, demand better, have some ambition, have some pride.
This is Everton, not some third rate club pleading with their ex because they can't do any better.
We can...........and we must!
197 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:34:37
The very first thing any new coach will do is to get us back to where Moyes got us to which is a solid, hard to beat team always in or around the top 6. The disdain that Moyes is often treated with by some on these pages suggests to do that is the easiest thing in the world. Its not.
Any realistic coach even the favourites such as Koeman and De Boer will do very well to beat Moyes league finishes and get us into the top 4 or 5 and they will likely have more money than he ever did.
198 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:38:23
199 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:46:03
Moyes any day
Moyes is a good solid manager, tactically aware, with a professional attitude who made sure that when the players crossed the white line they put in a shift for the shirt and each other.
Martinez is a maverick bullshit charming philosophiser who has got where he is by conning naive old chairmen who have no clue about football (Kenwright and Whelan). Tactically naive, undisciplined, foolish, delusional and likes to surround himself with psychophants.
200 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:52:01
What are we going to do then, throw tennis balls, walk out at 78 minutes or simply cancel the season ticket ?
Speaking for myself living far, far away, I'll probably just lose interest !
201 Posted 26/04/2016 at 16:58:32
202 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:02:23
I actually like Eddie Howe, plays a high pressing attractive style, with an emphasis on disciplined team work that is very Everton. Ronald Koeman very similar, but I don't know if he sees us as a sideways move (despite what we think) and is waiting for something bigger or indeed is happy where he is.
Rafa Benitez is an educated choice, master tactician but not the most inspiring leader. Plus the Liverpool connection.
Mancini-read above, but maybe even more defensively rigid, however, no club controversy.
Bielsa- widely respected, high pressure style, attractive football, pochettino is a disciple which is a great indicator of his influence. Dealt with big players but language could be an issue and lack of premier league experience.
Marcelinho at Villarreal not a bad shout, but really don't know enough about him, his results are very positive as are the reports of his style.
AVB not for me, boring and uninspiring.
Tuchel, Simeone, Mourinho- very, very unlikely. Just can't see that happening.
203 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:04:06
204 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:10:43
Another slightly worrying angle is that everyone is putting a lot of faith in Moshiri. I know nothing about him ( probably like most TWs) except for his brief comments alongside Kenwright after Chelsea. He mentioned energising the club which was a positive but not sure about "pleased to be joining a family". I don't want to support a family , I want a well run business that strives to be successful and win things. Let's all hope he is a hard nosed business man who will not tolerate second best i.e. he asserts himself and sacks this fool and then picks a proven winning manager.
205 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:18:08
206 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:21:13
There are many other possibilities like Tony Pulis who knows the Prem. has the experience and when I last heard he hadn't renewed his contact with Albion who looked really sound against Spurs yesterday.
However, people may say he's won nothing yet but neither had Moyes nor Martinez unless you rate the Cup at the expense of relegation.
If not Pulis then perhaps Alan Stubbs who has done well at Hibs. albeit Scottish league standard but many Scottish club managers have done well South of the Border apart from Walter Smith.
207 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:27:58
208 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:34:09
in that order but ...
and I don't believe I'm saying this ...
... Moyes might be a shrewd choice because of what he knows about the club and the existing staff, would the additional invest he could have make a 2-3 position difference to what he was achieving before - if so I'd get him back in a heartbeat because that would mean Champions League football most years!
Also - the stats suggest that Martinez's first season success had a lot to do with a Moyes hangover.
209 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:36:11
Despite having the sixth biggest budget in the whole of the Scottish leagues, he is going to finish third in the second tier of Scottish football.
Promotion through the play offs is far from certain.
Two cup finals this season granted, one of which has already been lost to a last minute winner.
Goals constantly lost to crosses, and playing of favourites over players in form, especially goal keepers. Sound familiar?
Maybe in the future, but he's not ready now.
210 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:36:45
Once touted as the next england manager where is he now?
Our next manager must have pedigree, Liverpool got klopp we must aim higher than a newly promoted unknown manager.
211 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:42:32
Not good enough for them but good enough for us???????
212 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:47:19
213 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:48:21
214 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:48:23
Daniel 210, I guess your comparison of Howe made up my mind then. I had thought he was a risk worth taking but am suspecting his transfer dealings to be subpar, perhaps an unknown quantity for now, better let him grow at Bournemouth for another few years.
My preference would be Simeone (dream), Emery, Koeman, De Boer, Garcia, Bielsa/Pellegrini (with a player-coach under him), Cocu. As easy as the Dutch league is, it is not easy to dominate it like De Boer has, plus it is known to have a good youth system. We can't expect a complete overhaul of our players and systems even with Moshiri's billion so we need someone to do great work with what we have and improve (or take advantage of) our youth setup.
215 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:48:57
216 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:53:24
BK was, of course, on the board during Marsh's reign.
217 Posted 26/04/2016 at 17:56:56
Absolutely agreed on Marsh as I have posted on here before. The guy that crippled Everton without a doubt.
The Chairman's Martinez to Moyes as he took over the club who had been Champions twice under the previous Chairman and squandered the legacy.
The biggest crime in Everton's history that people forget, making King's Dock etc a footnote, is that Everton were one of the original clubs who pushed for the Premier League and were well positioned to consolidate that but pissed the whole opportunity away under Marsh's total mismanagement and meddling in issues he clearly knew nothing about.
PS on some of the posts above, wtf is the "concourse" and the "arena" and what have I missed at Goodison? Is the concourse the shitty bit under the stand that smells of piss and where they knock out hotdogs from a stand? ("always see if you can check the hankies of the men who operate them", that's what me mum used to tell me)
218 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:00:53
219 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:04:02
Both full-backs are not as dangerous going forward. Barkley has lost his attacking mojo. Lukaku has now lost his way and turning into another Kone, by being unable to find the net, even from the penalty spot.
The only player I can see doing well in the future is Geri Deulofeu, because age is on his side. Only if he is allowed to play behind the striker and free from tracking back. He has that verve and unpredictabilty that defenders don't like. But he needs to be set free from rigid tactics, that seemed to have stopped Barkley in his attacking tracks.
220 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:12:25
221 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:14:49
4th line - 8th word ".....should....."
222 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:34:38
This is the problem with sacking Martinez. Some on the board may see it as job well done. Premier League status and a trip to Wembley for the fans.
Martinez may be handed 50-80 million in the summer. The board may assess the situation in october.
223 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:39:50
I bow to your superior knowledge. But that doesn't make Kenwright any better, just awful for a longer period.
224 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:42:56
225 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:51:30
The trouble is that Kenwright looks for 'the new young thing'so talk of high profile European bosses will frighten him to death. We are, of course, awaiting to see what The Investor is made of !
226 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:51:46
Unfinished business - Kenwright hails return of Moyes to the peoples club....
228 Posted 26/04/2016 at 18:59:34
I would suggest a boycott of the club shop, merchandise, catering, programme purchases etc. Maybe this would shake Elstone and Co.
On the wish list for a new manager I would like Koeman, De Bore or Mourinhio but we can't really consider welcoming back David Moyes.
229 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:03:58
230 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:13:53
231 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:17:47
If we have a British manager I'd still have to say Eddie Howe. I was reading something the other day that said he was the manager who bought Danny Ings and Charlie Austin to Burnley from Bournemouth and Swindon respectively. He's got a very good record in the transfer market.
Ian Wright seems to think we should get another young hungry manager opposed to an elder statesman like Pellegrini so Howe fits the bill in that respect. Howe was my joint first choice along with Koeman until recently, but I think we need someone with a name and a bit more sway, so he's fallen back to my 3rd choice now after Koeman and De Boar.
232 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:18:08
if he comes back I will turn my back on all that/ Fact!!.
233 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:19:56
234 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:21:36
A net spend of only 4.8m over 11 years compared to the current gobshite's 50m+.
Transformed a relegation side into consistent top 6 finishes with a few semi finals, a cup final and a few years in Europe thrown in.
He left a very decent squad including a maturing Barkley and Stones.
He acted with integrity(while he was with us anyway).
235 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:23:45
Those who may support the return of a Moyes will argue my headline is correct and he knows the club from top to bottom etc etc,
Could Moyes make us better with money ? , I think he failed miserably at Utd didn't he !
If Moyes returned I would indeed laugh because I would find it funny - it couldn't happen could it ?
236 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:27:05
Let them get the chemistry right no twisting of arms or stupid contracts to keep players who think they are better than they really are and dead wood is dead wood just get shut enough good talent coming through that can be rotated between 21's and bench instead of paying money nothing more than bench warmers
237 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:36:16
You say Moyes always acted with integrity while he was with us but what about stringing us along knowing he was the next Man United job in waiting. To my mind that isn't a man with integrity.
238 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:45:06
239 Posted 26/04/2016 at 19:50:38
Is Moyes the only man in the world who can get Everton into the top eight? Really?
Is that the height of our ambition? If so, we really are the small club that some people make us out to be.
Being better than Martinez doesn't make him a good manager.
As for Stubbs, some of us Blues up here watch the odd Hibs game. They play dreadful football too, punctuated with the odd good performance. Don't win very often, can't even make the top two in the very poor league they're in. Oh, I forgot, he's a Blue, isn't he? So that makes everything good, doesn't it?
I can put up with the board taking their time, but I'm finding this sentimental, backward-looking nonsense hard to take.
240 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:13:51
The myth that Kenwright did nothing but drag us down is now totally shattered because not only did he engineer that turnaround but he has now found exactly what he was looking for 24/7 (:-)) in the form of a wealthy investor who is totally for the benefit of the club. Every board since 1970 has dragged the club down but we have not only stabilised and arrested the decline under BKs stewardship but seen the club find what looks like the perfect partner to take us onward and upward.
For me he has a terrible weakness as a club owner in that he is stubborn and far too loyal to his appointees in the new EPL era where only ruthlessness and refusal to accept poor performance will ensure success.
241 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:19:42
And the fans.
David Moyes, some of you say?
Are you fellas out of your minds?
Has the club's mediocrity become that institutionalised?
Do you want to remain forever in a red shadow?
They get Klopp and you think we should just take that lying down, like we did their European successes in the 1970s?
242 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:22:39
Eddie Howe may well be the next big thing in the future, but at the moment he seeems to have a similar outlook as our current manager in that bugger the defence and lets see how many we can score. He has even said it himself that he needs to start paying more attention to defence. Bournmouths goals against are as bad as ours. Hardly the way forward.
I personally am sick of the lack of ambition of the club and some of the fans. If we don't think big then we will forever stay in the plucky Everton category. There was a time for Moyes and his pragmatism but that time has passed. Same as that time has passed for the tired names like Howe, Stubbs, Benitez, ffs someone even mentioned Pulis...how low can we go? Unless we and the board start living up to our motto Nil Satis Nisi Optimum then we will stay the small club we are now purported to be.
243 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:25:00
you are entitled to your opinion of Kenwright, however it took him years of 24/7 looking to get a buyer.
Doesn't it surprise you somewhat that this buyer just turned up as the big payday arrived and Kenwright just happened to get a nice fat cheque ??
Good on him and he is entitled to his dosh.
Maybe and more likely if this big PL payday hadn't come off I reckon he'd still be looking.,
244 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:26:07
245 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:28:41
246 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:29:32
Moshiri has not risked a penny yet, so let's see wait and see if he keeps his promises.
I want him to show us HIS money - not our money from possible transfer sales of at least two of our players.
Only then will I believe he has OUR interests at heart.
247 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:30:10
248 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:38:42
249 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:43:03
John@243, I believe that Moshiri has been looking at Everton for a long time but not at BK's price. BKs circumstances have now changed and he wants out. That is how business works, eventually the needs of the buyer and seller are met and the deal goes through. I for one completely back BK in not selling for below the market price based on fan pressure.
250 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:46:03
251 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:47:40
252 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:47:45
I'll give you the connection and even go along with the assertion he and Moyes steadied the ship. However, he was part of the downward spiral that started in the 90's. David Marsh, Peter Johnson era, he was on the board the entire time. And therefore shares some responsibility for our chronic demise.
I'm fine with balanced and fair appraisals, but after Wednesday. Martinez should have been fired. No apologies or excuses. Sacked that night. It was a completely unacceptable performance from the players and the manager, that shamed our historic club and humiliated the supporters. The fact the Kenwright failed to act proved to me, he would place his ego above the interests of Everton football club
Kenwright's naivety, romance or "terrible weakness" belong in a character from an Evelyn Waugh novel and in a different century. Not a chairmen, running a club in modern football.
253 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:50:08
254 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:51:20
"Theirs" -.you knew what I meant.
How do you know he has legally committed to anything, I haven't read that anywhere, I hope you are right but as I said before I shall wait and see what he spends.
255 Posted 26/04/2016 at 20:53:54
257 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:00:47
258 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:03:06
I think it could work.
259 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:12:18
260 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:12:24
261 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:16:26
262 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:21:52
As for Puel, I am not sure what everyone knows about him but he has a record as a winner. Plus one of his sons, also in Ligue 1, is a right back and the other, who plays for him, is a striker and might be able to help the squad.
I have one other suggestion and that is Emery from Sevilla. I am not sure if rumors are true that he is unhappy there given that he is not given the finances to compete in or for CL in the league no matter the Europa League performance. The only unhappy person would be DelBoy as Emery was not impressed with him and said so.
Just thoughts to pass the time out here on the ledge waiting for the news of Martinez being fired (off the ledge and back into the office) or his contract being extended, in which case I have already picked out the hardest landing spot available.
263 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:25:41
264 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:35:45
265 Posted 26/04/2016 at 21:56:02
Could it be that season ticket renewals are pretty abysmal at this stage - I've held back on mine as a minor but ultimately but probably lame protest. The other option is that the Moshiri has someone in mind who wants an indication that the board means business.
If it's the case that the board want to show intent at this stage of the season the only logical conclusion is a change of management will result.
As for who could replace him - I don't give a shite right now - I only care that he goes.
The sheer pleasure of then focusing on his replacement would be a time to be savoured. It would fill me with a hope and optimism which the deluded one has long since eliminated.
267 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:28:23
268 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:57:24
269 Posted 26/04/2016 at 23:58:52
270 Posted 27/04/2016 at 01:17:54
Any club with ambition would have swapped him after 6/7 years and built on his improvement with a proven winner. Not 'plucky-little-over-achieving-Everton'. We basked in the praise of the Sky 4, who were happy because we never won there; we didn't want to upset the applecart while our manager was receiving LMA gongs. So we just kept on smiling on the road to nowhere, until he wormed his way into another job, and our pompous but dim-witted leader accepted a relegation merchant from rugby land and the cycle has started all over again.
I'm sure this is the longest run in our history (taking out the war years) without winning the title, and if our motto is to be adhered to, that is shocking. The last 17 years have been the result of a lame duck chairman, who borrowed money to buy the club, therefore putting himself at the mercy of sharks like Earl, and that nice Mr BHS Green, who were just waiting to make a huge profit and skeedaddle.
The result being, the loss of the greatest opportunity to put this club back in the big time - the Kings Dock scandal. We are now a laughing stock and until we start to think big (like getting the pantomime dame out and stop wanting the likes of Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis etc here) then we we deserve to be laughed at. Any BIG club would sack a man who was responsible for 2 hammerings by their neighbours in 3 seasons; not plucky Everton . . . sadly, although we miss them, it's a good job Howard, Bally and Labby can't see this fiasco
272 Posted 27/04/2016 at 03:57:41
Wins against Bournemouth, Norwich and Sunderland William should put things right !
273 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:00:40
274 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:01:10
275 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:07:39
Thought I was brutal mate.
Don't disagree with anything apart from the Harvey point. I think they were trying to mimic the boot room legacy from across the park. Which in retrospect was a failure, still if you look at Harvey's record overall we've certainly had lot worse since then.
At least there was an expectation then, that we could at least challenge for the title. Sadly expectation has been going down ever since.
276 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:24:43
Frustrating though it is, I would suggest that Mr Martinez be retained until season's end, and then for the board to go through a vigorous process of appointing a new chief coach.
277 Posted 27/04/2016 at 04:26:53
278 Posted 27/04/2016 at 05:13:20
279 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:16:17
280 Posted 27/04/2016 at 07:18:54
I'm getting at the store early this morning to soak up the atmosphere (packet of sherbet dabs at the petrol sales first, the shop of nonsense). Eagerly scanning the papers this morning for latest news of Tesco sales of delicatessen products (fed up of all the southern talk about Deli Aldi) - vouchers arrived in the post this morning. Nothing much in there but there might be something online (Grand Old Tesco, maybe? I'll probably get a ban for that. Though I have to admit TescoWeb has the best laughs - I'm thinking of you Jean).
Looking forward to the AGM - any spare tickets going?
Come on You Tesco - Up Sales (Coytus)
282 Posted 27/04/2016 at 08:27:20
Howard's time was up.
Baines got crocked and only now at season end is looking his old self.
Coleman has been inconsistent and had a few injuries.
Oviedo was playing well but was dropped for Baines and lost form.
Stones is an exceptional talent but needs improvement in defending aerial balls which is true for Jagielka who leads by example but not really a captain in the Gerard mould. Galloway was impressive and for seemingly no reason has disappeared from the first team squad.
I like Cleverly but was crocked and out for 3 months and is now looking quite a decent player.
Lets look at Barry he looks good reading the play and putting his foot in but McCarthy is there doing the spade work. Neither Barry or McCarthy offer anything going forward.
Gibson has not played much but is still a very good player.
Mirallas is his own worst enemy and is a match winner on his day but was preferred to Kone. Maybe his time is up to. Kone may have been a decent footballer in his early days and was a good foil for Lukaku I cant really see a future for him going forward.
Lukaku can play when he puts in the effort but mostly he is left isolated with back to goal and that's not his game. Lennon is good for 10 games or so then fades away.
Deulofeu is an exciting talent and needs to last 90 minutes.
Barkley is 22 and is one lazy talent, for 89 minutes he can be utter shite and then produce one incredible moment of magic. If he could just be very very good for 70 minutes he would be world class.
This season we have lost and drawn games we should have won, by my estimate its a good 30 points just flushed away from winning positions.
Can we blame Martinez for every bad result? What about the style of play that scores lots of goals and concedes just as many? It's probably a combination of both players and manager but ultimately its the bosses job to address the obvious shortcomings and the fact he has not means he is not doing his job.
Can he learn? I think not as 3 years at Everton is plenty of time to get your act together.
283 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:08:25
The ownership of the club is by the shareholders and they are not custodians, they own the club. EFC is a Limited Co. not a Members Club.
284 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:19:22
If he fails in this mission, expect the season to be well and truly over before any announcement is made. BK will not want the likely return of his 'blood brother' to the manager's chair to be greeted with matchday demonstrations and the like. So Davey will be able to get on with the re-recruitment of Messrs Round, Neville, Lumsden and Woods in the calm of early summer.
Then, in a burst of transfer activity, expect to see Marouaine Fellaini 'back at his spiritual home' and the likes of Carrick and Januzaj to quickly follow. We might even see the odd signing from Real Sociedad added to the roster !
With sincere apologies to the bard, Evertonians will then have cause to say, 'Now is the summer of our discontent.'
285 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:22:01
286 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:30:44
Martin - 283 - of course you are 100% right in what you say from a legal standpoint - my point is different. They are only custodians on behalf of the fans who have invested a century and more of time into this club and without us, there wouldn't be a club. For me, they are looking after it on our behalf. It is a different question as to whether they are doing a good job or not!
287 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:32:04
I understand the pessimism mate. But he's getting sacking. It's just a matter of when.
288 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:32:23
For me their is nothing he can do to redeem the damage he has done to this club.
289 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:40:44
290 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:51:52
I hope that we can get across our message about RM very clearly to the board without demeaning ourselves, the club or the players. I thought the mass walk outs by the Liverpool and Villa fans were very effective but I doubt you'd get a mass action like that at Goodison because I believe that most Blues aren't radical, just fantastic supporters.
291 Posted 27/04/2016 at 09:58:01
If we supporters can see the huge changes coming in the Prem. next season do you not think that professional football managers can't see them?
The EPL will be one of the places to be.
Bill Kenwright will be well aware of the singers and dancers in his west end shows and whether they are up to the mark or not. He'll know all about the show he has here.
I would think that DeBoer and his complete team would suit us ,however, it's all a matter of choice .
Nobody knew much about Pochettino's ability before he arrived.
I would prefer that the new manager has some knowledge of English,but that doesn't need to be his major asset.
He needs to get his passion, ideas and tactics across to the team a la Klopp.
He and his team need to assess all our playing staff and where necessary give youth a chance.
He needs to get the players working as a team and playing in their correct positions.
Clear out some of our present coaches as they are obviously not doing their job properly in respect of fitness and football skills.
Mr.Moshiri has possibly put £40 + million pounds into EFC. Why would anyone do that if you if you didn't want to have a great deal of influence at the club ? Why drag yourself over from Monaco, losing some of the valuable time allotted to you to stay in the U.K. unless you're going to be the controller and not just a shareholder ?
The fat lady hasn't sung yet.
The world is our oyster and we're still messing about with cockles on the beach.
We move on.
292 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:04:12
Thanks for correcting my selective memory ( I was even at the Chelsea semi) but I think we are all agreed that we cannot afford another 8 years of RM to test his track record against Moyes and we definitely don't want to give Moyes a second chance to prove anything.
Perhaps a shower of asparagus from the stands at half time will do the trick but so far all we get is rumours. I was hoping Moshiri was going to inject a bit of decisiveness into the board.
293 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:04:37
And Martin Mason, you make a valid point about Evertonians' lack of militancy which I construe as a self-censoring namby-pambyism borne out of a desire to appear un-Kopite-like. Recall the contempt directed at the Blue Union when they really tried to effect change via protest, and the moronic applause for Kenwright at the same time.
The question thus arises, do Evertonians even deserve better than what we have? That repulsive show of support for BK that day screams an emphatic "NO".
294 Posted 27/04/2016 at 10:16:49
296 Posted 27/04/2016 at 11:02:43
I find this all a bit strange.
297 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:40:54
298 Posted 27/04/2016 at 12:59:12
That's why it's SO important for some sort of protest to be arranged for the Bournemouth game. I can't be doing with some of the people on here who oppose ANY sort of protest and are just content to moan on here. They always come up with some reason, or excuse, to do nothing.
If the man's not been sacked before the Bournemouth game that may be our last chance before the board's made up their mind. Whether it be my own suggestion of the tennis balls thrown on the pitch (a la Dortmund) or the white hankie waving someone else suggested I don't care as long as there is a mass showing to make it clear we want him gone. Banners would also help.
299 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:06:22
"The fans are not happy - I feel you can win them back because you are an amazing manager, Mr Moshiri is yet to convinced but I know you can convince him - can't you"
"Go ahead Roberto"
Staring Moshiri in the face Roberto says.....
"I feel we have the making of an incredible future and we will have a phenomenal season Mr Moshiri.
With your millions we can take the club to the level the fans, me , you all of us want - the foundations I have built in the last three years we will see when the new season begins.
We must add a few quality players and work hard on our defence and we will challenge for the champions league positions...
I can say without doubt I have learned a lot this season and have taken on board many things that have gone wrong, but we have been incredibly unlucky as you know."
Moshiri sits and with a smile he says....
Anyone care to fill in his response !
300 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:08:13
If he was to be fired, the time was after the Derby or latest after the FA cup semi. It's Wednesday already, they would have started preparing for the Saturday match; no way he is getting fired before that.
It's just us the supporters who are taken on an emotional roller-coaster with the will they won't they sack him debates. And it's us who end up spending a proportionately larger portion of our incomes on following the team around with little or no say towards how things are run. We are the fools.
301 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:08:32
302 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:14:29
"By the way Bobby, what's with the 26% win percentage this season?"
303 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:16:10
304 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:20:09
Protest by banners, songs, staying in seats, all will focus on the problem. Anything to do with pitch invasion, throwing missiles will be heavily used against the fans by the Fat Controllers PR machine.
You have been warned.
305 Posted 27/04/2016 at 13:32:01
Take your point but disagree.
Don't think a tennis ball can be construed "a missile."
Worked fine for Dortmund and in my eyes doing nowt is worse.
...and I'm quite prepared to take the chance.
308 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:08:19
309 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:09:04
"You fucking kill me Roberto, now get out"
310 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:11:12
311 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:18:12
Rahul - Why not? If he could be fired after the derby but before the semi he can be fucking fired now or anytime before Saturday. What's to lose?
I'd fire him at 2.59 on Saturday if necessary and we'd still have a better chance of winning.
There's no way he's staying is there? Please, God, there can't be.
312 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:22:59
Cue everybody pressing "refresh" on their computers tomorrow. I'm going for a lie down. My head hurts with it all.
313 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:23:12
314 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:25:05
315 Posted 27/04/2016 at 17:32:30
That's what I heard last Saturday, by mutual consent. Just a matter of timing. It's the best for everybody at this point.
317 Posted 27/04/2016 at 18:08:04
It's just that I get the feeling that if they were about to give RM the sack, they wouldn't be praising him on the official site and running with the other positive stories about him in the press. I just don't feel the sack is going to come before Bournemouth.
Let's wait & watch. I'd be delighted to have my feelings proved wrong in this case.
318 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:37:39
Even a board without a finger on anyones's pulse must know that an endorsement this week of Martinez' continuation as our manager will result in a massive backlash from the fans.
Forget the hype from the Club's website if the board meets - he walks!
319 Posted 27/04/2016 at 19:49:16
I guess all this latest hype is just a precursor to the official announcement about what a great bloke he is and how everyone on the team just loves him... blah blah...but he has decided he is not the right man to build on his solid phenomenal incredible foundations... more blah blah etc...
Much like he wasn't the right man to take Wigan back to the prem.
Wigan - Who actually continued their free-fall after, and because of, RM.
I just hope we can bounce straight back to where we should be, but that may be hard if we get a player exodous. It's going to need a good name coming in to hold on to some of our key men.
320 Posted 27/04/2016 at 21:26:31
322 Posted 28/04/2016 at 00:51:31
323 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:15:01
I'd like to think we'll be aiming higher for some managers who have actually won something unlike nearly men like Hughes or Moyes. Someone who will play progressive football but also has some idea about defending. Cue.. Ronald Koeman and Frank de Boer.
324 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:19:06
325 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:22:43
326 Posted 28/04/2016 at 01:42:49
A new manager means a new back room staff, new training regime, possibly new coaches, he needs to look at the squad, highlight strengths and weaknesses, identify who he wants rid of, who he promotes from the unders, identify transfer targets and get the squad onboard with how he wants them to play.
Next season is huge for us, so let's not start it by wasting time getting a new gaffer in lets for once as a club just work out what we want/need and go and bloody get it without any delays or hiccups or messing about. That way we get to maximise pre-season, something we haven't done since Martinez took over.
Who knows, that way we might have enough time to practice defending set pieces, eh?
327 Posted 28/04/2016 at 02:15:12
328 Posted 28/04/2016 at 02:59:27
I think that given the last 7(?) games and the resultant mood, the fact that Roberto's going can be announced sooner rather than later, yeah its a bit of a blow to his pride. So he has two choices
1) Clears his desk effective on the day of the announcement.
2) Swallow his pride, hang on until whenever/1st June/Bitter end*
Pellegrini was told ages ago and is still in there swinging.
*Though I do think somebody should maybe have a word in his ear and put him on 'gardening leave' because it will get a bit toxic.
329 Posted 28/04/2016 at 03:31:14
Now don't get me wrong, I don't want Moyes back. All I am saying is we need a top manager and Hughes does not tick the right boxes for me... in fact, I would sooner have Chris Coleman or Martin O'Neill than Hughes.
I can't see why with all the money and history we cant try to get Simeone (okay, a stretch), De Boer, Emre, Tuchel (who I am sure would love to lock horns with Klopp) or even Blanc (who would know quite a few of the French up-and-coming players).
330 Posted 28/04/2016 at 04:02:16
We need a manager to come in who can convince the younger players to stay with Everton; Hughes isn't that man I'm afraid.
331 Posted 28/04/2016 at 04:46:57
332 Posted 28/04/2016 at 06:51:02
335 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:05:04
336 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:17:06
That's the mentality that has seen us cower under a red shadow since Shankly and now they have Klopp, that shadow will almost certainly lengthen if we don't do something drastic.
I believe we need to start measuring our own footballing ambitions by that other lot's standards and stop accepting that we must always be the second club in the city.
337 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:19:09
People go on about our lack of defence, but, apart from John Stones we have an experienced back four who shouldn't need an awful lot of coaching and should know how to cover for one and other. To blame Martinez for all the teams failings I think is unfair.
If though, these were the only issues I would be willing to give him another go, but one episode rankles me and keeps gnawing a me, and that was his treatment of Lieghton Baines. I found that utterly deplorable and for that lack of decorum and honour I'm afraid Mr Martinez has to go.
338 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:31:54
The players have let the club down but the manager has had nearly 2 years to put it right and has failed either due to the players ignoring him or because he has been unable to find any solutions. Once a team or manager are relying on luck they are in trouble and for too much of Roberto's tenure, luck is the key element of his masterplan. Luck was on his side in his first season, when the opponents failed to score or the woodwork came to Everton's rescue but it has deserted him in the Premier League for nearly two seasons, and as I said luck shouldn't be such a large part of a managers armoury - he has to be relieved of his duties to ensure there is a fresh start to 2016-17, else the fans will on the whole be considering their options.
339 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:33:37
As fans I believe we are letting ourselves down immensely, we all come on here and bitch and moan about RM and BK and the state of the club and throw in our two penneth worth and yet the most that's happened to demonstrate our discontent is some banners at the away end at a game at the other end of the country.
Where's OUR pride and OUR balls and OUR power as fans....? why are we so spineless....? the next game at home should be a non attendance game, by all means go to Goodison, but go with banners, flags and march in the streets around the ground, watch in the pubs and spend our money elsewhere and the club would soon sit up and take notice.
At the end of the day, one bloke in a pair of speedos has made more impact than an entire crowd (for all the right reasons I might add) so why can't / won't we do the same to affect the change we so passionately (allegedly) crave....?
It's a countrywide issue, we've all become total soft arses, we moan about Dodgy Dave and his cronies down south yet just sit in our houses and complain to the TV doing nothing to change anything, in the seventies & eighties the country had to qualms about voicing discontent, the same should apply to OUR club, it's time to take a stand.
And no, a damn plane won't do........
340 Posted 28/04/2016 at 08:58:31
I personally will not be watching the blues again this season if this guy remains in charge.
One win and he will be hailed as new massiah all over again.
341 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:02:16
There may well be riots around Goodison Park on Saturday if it is. He may we better than Martinez - who isn't? - but he's a mediocre merry-merry-go-round manager and we don't want him!
If Hughes is the limit of Moshiri's ambition he's not the man we thought he was. Either that or Kemwright's influence is still as toxic as ever. Please don't let this be true!
342 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:03:12
343 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:16:59
344 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:19:23
345 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:21:27
I'm not a fan, though he has done a decent job at Stoke these last few years and they play pretty good football now.
What all the various thread have shown is that there are very few managers out there who look a 'sure thing'. People keep banging on about Simeone as though he he's even a remotely realistic possibility, which he isn't. Even if we do have some money there are plenty richer more glamorous teams than us who would want him if he became available.
I'll take Koeman, De Boer, Tuchel, Pellegrini in that order.
346 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:22:32
AHHHH!!! He actually said that he understands the scrutiny, but he should not be judged on the last 2-3 months, but the last 2-3 years. He's also trying to play the "I feel the fans hurt" card. Guy should be smacked.
347 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:30:25
348 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:35:00
Just go, have some pride in yourself and stop hurting our club.
349 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:36:15
If as seems likely you are going to show Mr Martinez loyalty and give him longer to succeed you will be gambling on retaining the fans loyalty. You may of course be proved correct in the long-term but my word you are taking one hell of a risk, but then again you don't have to rely on those people to support you any more so they aren't quite as high a priority to you as they once were.
350 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:44:32
351 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:51:01
Win, lose or draw on Saturday - it's going to be ugly. Shame on the Board for dragging this out.
352 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:54:48
353 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:56:46
If he is in charge on Saturday, with doubts still lingering, then the atmosphere is going to be fucking toxic. This wont do anyone any good, him, us or the players.
Kenwright et al need to grow a fucking set and address the issue sharpish. I'm no fan of RM but I don't think he deserves this treatment, put him out of his misery for fuck sake.
(As an aside, if his replacement is Mark Hughes, I'm gonna start self harming)
354 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:57:29
It has been reported that Pochettino has been sounded out about the PSG job and that having played there he would one day like to return !!!
He was also mentioned as being wanted bu Man U.
I know it's only internet chatter but who would have
All is possible .
You just have to squeeze the nut hard enough to
I still fancy DeBoer and his crew.
355 Posted 28/04/2016 at 09:57:56
356 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:05:33
Is he hoping that in the future he can say "careful what you wish for?"
Surely an announcement before 3rd May (final guarantee your seat day) must be made.
I hope Saturday get the message over to the board loud and clear - the reality is we have no other way to make out views heard!
357 Posted 28/04/2016 at 10:06:54
'They treat us with contempt.'
Spot on mate. And the only thing we should do on Saturday is not go in when the game kicks off. Everyone should stand outside the ground, singing the name of the club. An empty stadium would make an impact - the fact is - the board or whatever it is that runs the club - do not give one iota about us. And this issue is now more about just Martinez job; Watford released a statement last night saying they would consider their managers position at the end of the season... nothing from our lot... no one is steering the ship!
359 Posted 28/04/2016 at 14:58:37
360 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:12:53
My view :-
Martinez has to go;
Moyes is not the right replacement;
A visual protest is needed in order that the Board shall realise the full extent of the feelings of the majority of fans - not the few that actually take banners;
From most parts of the ground, tennis balls thrown will merely hit some of the supporters sitting in front of the thrower and never reach the pitch;
Regrettably, I don't have an alternative suggestion.
361 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:19:07
That sounds like the best suggestion that I have heard on here - and it would make an impact in a non aggressive way.
362 Posted 28/04/2016 at 17:54:10
I've just seen the muppet on Sky Sports twittering on about "all being in it together". I thought you've taken tips off the Tory Dave-bad idea!
This needs to end one way or another surely before the next game. Either get rid or give him the vote of confidence. At present this is embarrassing
363 Posted 28/04/2016 at 20:51:04
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