Martinez defends transfer record amid Niasse doubts

by | 02/05/2016  159 Comments  [Jump to last]

Oumar Niasse made his long-awaited debut against Bournemouth almost three months to the day since he signed for £13.5m.
Roberto Martinez says people should look at his recruitment record over the past three years rather than focus on his most recent signing as he faces questions over £13.5m man Oumar Niasse.

The Senegal striker finally made his full debut almost three months to the day since he joined from Lokomotiv Moscow in what is the third-highest transfer fee the Toffees have ever paid for a player, but he looked lacking in match fitness and feeling for the English game in his hour-long appearance as deputy for Romelu Lukaku.

The length of time it has taken for him to play more than a half's worth of football despite featuring twice for his country in the interim has led to plenty of rumour on Merseyside that Niasse has fallen well short of the club's expectations given the size of his price tag.

Martinez, however, insists that the 26-year-old can play a big role for Everton.

“We brought Oumar Niasse in, he was voted the best Footballer in the Russian League," he said. “He is a player who can be very important for us.

"When he arrived in January it was a moment in which he needed to work on his fitness. Finally now we've been able to put him on a level in which he's been able to compete.

“He's not the finished article because he'll need a bit of an adaptation period but I thought his contribution was important. It's going to take a bit of time but it was important for him to start to get that introduction.

“You need to have a belief in all the players that you've got in the squad and I've got that belief with Oumar."

Martinez was responding to questions from the media regarding Niasse's slow progress that means he has not been able to provide the kind of support for Lukaku that Evertonians would have expected from a £13.5m January signing.

The Catalan defended his track record in the transfer since assuming the Goodison Park hotseat three years ago, however, even as he admitted that Niasse had taken longer than anticipated to adapt to the English game.

“I arrived at the club in 2013 in a very, very important moment because in that transfer window we lost probably the most important goalscoring threat we had in the team with Marouane Fellaini and Victor Anichebe," Martinez argued.

“We bought Romelu Lukaku, Gareth Barry and James McCarthy. The average age was 30, now it's 26.

“The record is there, I don't think it's about the last signing, it is on the work that we have done over the last six windows and the way we have developed young players.”

Quotes sourced from Liverpool Echo


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Guy Hastings
1 Posted 02/05/2016 at 07:52:31
Why RM can't simply shut up the fuck up, or be told to by his media advisors is beyond me. Every day, a bigger shovel, every day a deeper hole.
Mike Hughes
2 Posted 02/05/2016 at 07:52:55
See what happens when you can't be bothered to coach the team to defend? You end up doing it all yourself.

Never mind the average age.
Look at our average points, you moron. And by the time Niasse is ready, he'll be close to 40.

Peter Carpenter
3 Posted 02/05/2016 at 07:56:34
Can't remember the last time I saw 'Victor Anichebe' and 'goalscoring threat' in the same sentence.
Christopher Marston
4 Posted 02/05/2016 at 07:57:28
Has there been anyone in the history of life that talks more shit?! He beggars belief!!!
Colin Glassar
5 Posted 02/05/2016 at 07:57:36
Bobby sounds more and more like a struggling politician every day
John Daley
6 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:05:40
Christ. Lamenting the loss of Victor Anichebe for lowering your teams attacking threat is like Cliff Richard complaining about the fact his cock's no longer capable of causing a fucking trouser tent. Even back in their prime, both were about as far from being potent as it's possible to be. Nothing against Victor but he never looked like coming anywhere near to being considered a consistent goalscorer throughout the entirety of his Everton career. The most league goals he ever netted in a league campaign was six for fucks sake. Not like he's been sorely missed.
Andrew Burns
8 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:08:57
I'll probably get a load of verbal for this one but I thought Niasse did okay on Saturday. It was in reality his first game; if he had played straight away on his arrival he would be far more adapted then he is now.

We cant judge him on his previous 19 minutes – let's see what he actually does moving forward.

Brin Williams
10 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:15:41
Watched this fellow Niasse for 60 minutes on Saturday, at best he's a lightweight at worst he is pure shite and will NEVER make the player he is being made out to be.
Rob Baker
11 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:16:52
So he now wants people to judge him on his first season finish and the signings from that season too as he's made an utter balls up of this season (and last tbh). The man is floundering big style
Robin Gomme
12 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:29:00
"Most important goal scoring threat".
If nothing else proves he's lost it..........
Gone by lunchtime. Hopefully. ........
John Williams
13 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:31:16
He said Kone would play a big part in the team and we all know how that worked out. I could understand if Niasse was plucked from a Sunday morning pub team but for a 26-year-old professional not up to speed after 3 months is a joke.

Martinez always bangs on we will be stronger after each transfer window, where and how? Six windows now and no cover at right-back, no natural left footed player and no cover or options for Lukaku.

His two better signings were Barry and Lukaku but he had them on loan for a season, Lukaku had just scored 17 goals for West Brom so not rocket science.

My big concern is, if Martinez is here next season, he will waste substantial transfer funds and we will continue on this clear downward spiral.

Kevin Elliott
14 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:33:02
Wasn't it him that sold Fellaini and Anichebe ?
Clouseau strikes again.
Denis Richardson
15 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:36:25
As usual it's judge me on my three year record. All fine unless there is a consistent trajectory downwards year on year.

We've needed another RB for three years. We've needed a decent back up striker for 3 years. We still do for both.

No mention of Kone, Alcaraz, Atsu, Traore, McGeedy....never mind that Niasse is our third highest transfer fee - ever. 13m still also looks wasted for
McCarthy (4th largest transfer fee).

Given footballers talk to each other, I'm beginning to wonder if we got Niasse in Jan because our other targets didnt want to play for Roberto. After all, we knew Naismith was going well before the window and all we got was Niasse, almost at the last minute. He's hardly one for the future either, he's 26.

Steve Davies
16 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:38:05
Is it just me but I thought Niasse had a couple of good touchs but not worth £13 million. I am more interested in seeing Dowell develop.

I am more worried by the Carra interview in Daily Mail. RM is not going to change his philosophy and the interview showed that he has learned nothing. Trotting out the fact he likes scoring from open play etc.

The guy in front of me in Lower Gwladys summed it up on Saturday when he called him a bell end for putting the new lad on with a few minutes left. He should have given him 20 minutes at least.

I still think the media think the protest was a minority view. We need to ramp it up for the Norwich game.

Martinez out.

Danny Broderick
18 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:57:12
All these references to judging him over 3 years are an admission that he has had a poor year (2 really!) Time to go.
Mark Burton
19 Posted 02/05/2016 at 08:59:41
Please don't stop talking shite Roberto. The whole world can see you are blabber now and the hole is getting bigger and bigger. All the signings you have made are absolute rubbishy. Lukaku was on loan for a year then he couldn't get a game anywhere else so you decided that we should make the record signing. All the rest don't even play here anymore. Just piss off and make us all happy!
Anthony Jones
20 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:08:45
The Russian League must be shite.
Robin Gomme
21 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:08:49
Just in case you thought there was discord in the squad, or were worried that RM might change his tactics, this from the Echo

Martinez added: “We all work together really, really well. This isn't a moment to do anything different other than carry on, going step by step with the games in front of us."

Can nobody offer a firm but unsubstantiated rumour that he's going? Please!

Jason Pullen
22 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:12:46
If you cost $13.5M you should be the finished article already and need bugger all time to adapt. Look at the quality players Leicester and West Ham bought who brought immediate impact for far less money. And if he isn't ready to make and impact now, we shouldn't have bought him. Let alone spent that much. He is delusional.
Anthony Jones
23 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:14:20
There is a YouTube video of Niasse scoring loads of lucky goals. Half of the time he seems to be sprinting blindly. Kind of a red flag. Maybe the scouts could use a traning session on how to use the Internet.
Barry Pearce
25 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:18:48
Please, someone do the decent thing, and put him out of his, and our misery.
Mike Allison
26 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:30:48
He does have very good transfer record though.
James Byrne
27 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:31:28
He's at it again, doing what he probably does best, talking out of his arse!

I near fell off my chair after the Fellaini & Anichebe quote.

There has to be real concerns regarding the mental state of this manager. Why he's even allowed to make statements to the media sums up the whole club. It's run by a shower of fucking morons.

Les Netherwood
28 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:37:19
You have to ask if this man really believes the rubbish he talks.... Kone Alcaraz are just two examples of his transfer dealings in... and Distin sold off...

He was our best center-half at that time; ever since he left, our record of defending set-pieces and corners is really terrible. It seems his attitude is to sell them off if they are any good.

Get him out of the door NOW! Kenwright also...

Gavin Johnson
29 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:37:40
I'm having a deja-vu. I've heard this somewhere before...
Ray Smith
30 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:44:10
Eugene/Phil help me out here.

The Russians vote Niasse their player of the year!

Roberto says he is not the finished article!

Is that not a contradiction in terms?

Or is it another delusional statement from Roberto?

Roberto won't be replaced until the end of the season, because Pellegrini is not available until then.

Anthony Dwyer
31 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:47:28
This man never fail to amaze me.

When he joined the club the average age was 30, so he sold Fellaini and Victor who were both around 25, and brought in Barry at 33 and two others, who were young but the 3 as a whole did not do much to lower the age of the group.

Martinez played Barkley and Stones, two players he inherited, and that was the biggest age drop (along with Rom who cost £28m, a sum Moyes never got close to spending).

Martinez also forgets to add Alkaraz and Kone to his list, both of whom are 30+.

As for Niasse, the lad deserves a chance, he didn't play anywhere near as poorly as some pundits made out at the weekend.

Yes he looked a little rusty, but for me he grew into the game, only to be taken off in what I can only describe as more poor man management by Martinez.

Niasse has been getting shit from ever angle, all down to Martinez putting the lad on in games that simply didn't call for him. Two minutes here, three minutes there, and of course the game v west ham. Looking back to the West Ham game, imagine how far away from match fit Niasse must have been, if he's only just now getting up to speed, 8 weeks later. Lamb to the slaughter comes to mind.

Nick Page
32 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:47:30
Jonathan Norcroft, one of the better hacks in the world of football journalism summed up RM pretty well on yesterday's Sunday Supplement on Sky.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/32414/10265637/sunday-supplement-Roberto-Martinez-overly-positive-on-Evertons-disastrous-season

James Byrne
33 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:51:04
I honestly don't see this manager going anywhere. I think the club will give him another season.

I'm convinced he's sold his "phenomenal" football strategy to Moshiri and he's bought into it. It's a terrifying thought that Martinez might be handed a shed pile of money in the summer.

Brian Harrison
34 Posted 02/05/2016 at 09:53:08
I don't know if he is trying to convince himself the fans or the board over his transfer dealings. Everyday another quote from RM trying to justify why he should be given more time. Most journalists who up to a few months ago gave him a soft ride have now seen through him. I really think it is now bordering on cruelty to keep him in the post, he is like a drowning man thrashing about, and its not very nice to watch or hear.
BK or FM should do the decent thing, by not acting they are only putting the fans and the manager through unnecessarily pain. We accept that he is a nice guy, but someone who should never have been appointed in the first place. How letting this go on for another day is doing a disservice to our great club who usually behave in a dignified way.
Alan J Thompson
35 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:00:22
This was also voted Russia's third best deal of the year after both runners up in the Governor of Siberia and Ljubianka Personality of the Year competitions.
Xavier Spencer
36 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:08:31
Five months to get him fit! And you call yourself a fucking professional. Fuck off Roberto you're more than a fucking embarrassment now, you're a fuckiing desperado.
Jim Bennings
37 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:13:08
Well you have to be honest about Niasse, he doesn't look up to it does he?

He just looks at best like another loose cannon Bakayoko-esq, no real control over what he's doing and for a big guy not much strength.

I really would jack in signing these unknowns for big money, we never get a Mane like Southampton do we??

We very rarely have a big money success from abroad.

Glen Garrett
38 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:14:40
Tell you all what there is more action in his chat than what he gets done on the pitch.
Mike Allen
39 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:19:35
Surely someone has to challenge these absolute delusional statements when he is interviewed. I don't blame the likes of Alcaraz or McGeady or Kone or Niasse (unless he is in on the scam) – anyone would jump at the chance to earn mega bucks for a kick around now and again.

After taking over the Moyes squad then to adding a 25- 30-goal striker, one would expect to be up there with the big boys – NOT saving us from going down.

Damian Wilde
40 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:22:59
Mike (27) "He does have very good transfer record though."

I take it you're taking the piss, fella?

I started reading the headline "Martinez defends..." as if!

Niasse is a strange one, how he could he buy such shite? The man who also bought McCarthy, McGeady, Alcaraz, Kone - overall a very poor transfer record, Moyes shits on him in this area.

"The record is there." What does this mean?? There are records there, yes - 'worst home record in Everton history.'

As for wherher he'll go, let's think about it. If the board had agreed he was definitely staying, you'd have thought they'd say, unless they're delaying it so more people buy ST as with him incharge they may not buy. But let's stay with, they haven't decided he is staying. So then it's prob. either a) they've agreed he's going and will announce it at the end of the season b) they haven't decided, but in all probability will decide he'll go.

What's annoying the fans is the 'uncertainty' - no announcement. For me though the lack of announcement points to him not staying. He'll be gone at the end of the season.

Ian Hollingworth
41 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:26:47
FFS I just want to cry. This bloke is destroying our club, we are a laughing stock.

As for his transfers, I give you Traore, McGeady, Alcaraz and Kone. Need I say more?

Mike Hughes
42 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:30:40
However this saga ends Martinez walks away with a wad of cash to spout his nonsense elsewhere (League 1, overseas, as a TV pundit or in a padded cell - I don't care).

Will he lose a moment's sleep if EFC is relegated?
Remember how he did the dirty on Wigan after taking them down.

I can't believe as many as 6% of voters in our poll want him to stay on.

It's been obvious for well over a year that he's incompetent by any standard we care to measure a PL football manager.

Brent Stephens
43 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:34:48
Started to set out in this post all the inconsistencies in that piece from the Thin Spanish Waiter. But the above posts nail them. Who lets him off the leash?
Don Alexander
44 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:44:56
Arshavin aside, and then for only for one season, is from memory the only Russian-based import to have had any success for any English club ever...............but Martinez knows better.

The fact that Niasse was signed when unfit, and still isn't fit, must surely have been clear to a doctor..........but Martinez, with his own physio expertise, knows better (he did after all get rid of most if not all of the medical team he inherited).

Consistent failure to most sane people demands a change but then read that quote at #21...........meaning Martinez knows better.

.........And then it hit me!

He probably thinks goal-machines Victor and Fellaini will now be worth far less than what we got for them! Scoring problem sorted for when Lukaku leaves! Brilliant!!!

I just pray that Moshiri knows better.


Ian Bennett
45 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:47:07
Kanckelskis was my favourite signing...
Mark Andersson
46 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:47:30
So he is still here and still talking shite. The media are calling for Man U manager to be changed, I'm sure they just beat us to reach the final of the FA Cup. I'm sure they are above us in the league.

I applaud all those that made the effort to protest on Saturday, however it was underwhelming. The only good thing that came from it was the twat of a chairman showing his true colours and they aint blue. Trying to drown out the supports will just make us madder.

Hopefully there will be more protesters and we have to keep it going and not be bullied into submission my this fraud Kenwright.

Martin Middleton
47 Posted 02/05/2016 at 10:59:23
'The way we have developed young players' – my arse! i

In 3 years, only Stones and Barkley are regulars and they were already being integrated by Moyes. Where are the rest of them?

Finn Taylor
48 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:17:28
#45 Don Alexander... Martinez know's better... it is no coincidence that pretty much all the coaching and phycial training staff working at Finch Farm have gradually left or are leaving because 'Martinz knows best' the infracstructure that was in place upto 2013 has fell apart because 'Martinez knows best'
Tony Marsh
49 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:20:43
We can now put Niasse on the list of terrible strikers at Everton?

Alan Biley, Peter Eastoe, Joe Harper, Mick Walsh, Paul Wilkinson... etc. Yes our Russian Player of the Year is up there with the worst of them. What an awful signing.

Linda Morrison
50 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:26:13
Like everyone else I expected something from the board after the meeting. But no all we got was "The Sound of Silence" (apologies to Simon and Garfunkel).
My only hope is that the lack of a statement supporting the manager and the fact that some players seemed happier means he is going. Maybe the board are waiting to see how the rest of the season goes for others before making the announcement of the new manager.

Maybe we'll all be on here in October praising Martinez as we sit at the top of the EPL.
Oh look another flying pig goes past.

Giacomo Trifoglio
51 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:29:15
His utterances are a wank word bingo player's wet dream.
Mike Allison
52 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:35:20
No I'm not taking the piss. Going from back to front he's signed Funes Mori, Barry, Besic, McCarthy, Cleverley, Lennon, Deulofeu and Lukaku. I think Joel has turned out fine as well. I'll give you Kone and McGeady (who was dirt cheap anyway) and it looks like Niasse now, but overall I'm very happy with the quality of player we have. Eto'o I won't count as good or bad. He's also used young players instead of getting the cheque book out.

Now we just need a manager who can get them to win.

Paul Tran
53 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:40:12
Like I said last week, the board don't need to rush out a statement while Roberto keeps digging.

Even when he tries to put his inadequacies into context, he gets it wrong.

All he's got to do is say that he inherited a good solid team that hadn't won anything, with some ageing players that needed replacing with a relatively small budget, with an urgent need to get a decent striker and two midfielders. He could rightly mention he'd brought in Barry, McCarthy and Lukaku and then Funes Mori and Galloway, then quietly mention that like with all managers, some signings just don't work out.

I'd have taken that, but he just can't help himself. Describing Anichebe as a goal threat tickled me. If he had any brains he'd mention that he/the club got good money for him and Fellaini (who'd spent 18 months telling us he belonged in a better side) and for a net cost of around £10m got three better players. Just for the record I think Lukaku is the best striker we've had for years, Barry has been a great signing who should be kept at the club once he's retired and McCarthy would be a good centre mid in a team that knew what it was doing.

I'd love a journalist to ask him why he brings in experienced players (Atsu, Traore, Niasse) and immediately tells us it'll take months to get them up to speed.

I suspect that Martinez has been holding a grudge since he stated we needed seven players and we got two. I'm guessing that's where the 'lack of investment' quote came from. I reckon Bill told him he'd back him all the way and didn't at the time when reinforcements were needed.

That's history now and no matter what he says, he's taken a good,solid top six team of chokers to a midtable mess.

If I was Moshiri, I'd be sitting in my office collecting all these fabulous quotes from Roberto, I'd stroke my white cat and look forward to the meeting where I ask the question, 'How does all this nonsense equate to a team that finished 5th, 11th and 11th?' Then I'd give him his settlement and usher in the new guy I've been desperate to introduce.

Chris Leyland
54 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:46:03
Mike Allison - you forgot Alcaraz, Traore and Atsu on your list

You can't discount McGeady for being 'dirt cheap' because his wages certainly won't be. Here is what the Celtic manager had to say about it when there was talk of him joining them on loan....
" We would not be able to pay the salary that the likes of McGeady are on. The difference is so unbelievably big that there is no chance. The wage structure would be broken 10 times if we did that!"

Steve Cotton
55 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:46:04
The RS were underperforming with their own version of RM in white teeth Brendan Rodgers. So what did they do? Brought in a top European manager. Same players but now they are leagues ahead of us and their fans are believing again. It all depends on ambition!!!
If we are happy bumping along the bottom half of the table waiting for our turn to drop a division then keep supporting him.
I personally don't believe our new investor will accept bottom half. He didnt come here to watch his investment dwindle.
If RM doesnt leave I am not renewing my season ticket.. end of....
Kim Vivian
56 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:48:06
Oh my giddy aunt.......! Have I just read that?

Other than joining with the other 50-odd million people in this country fervently supporting Leicester, I am trying to detach myself emotionally from football because of this floundering nit-wit idiot and his straw clutching. Every day I have to read or hear this garbage. Why can't he just leave us, or shut his fkg mouth. Does he not have a PR advisor?
It is actually spoiling my days now. I'm glued to this site, bbc sports/football news, sky, talk sport hoping to hear he's finally gone.

I do not care in the short term who steps in. It can only cause optimism - certainly in my life. If he's here next year and this just continues ....I'm fucked. I don't know what I'll do. I know if I was a player I'd want away.

Barry Kay
57 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:48:13
Mike, what do McCarthy and Cleverley actually bring to the team?

His signings have generally been poor: Alcaraz, McGeady, Kone, Niasse... I'm sorry but he looks shit; Robles is not good enough; Atsu and Traore, even though loan signings were also shit. That's far too many shit signings – he man has not got a fucking clue.

Aidy Dews
58 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:48:14
His recruitment over the course has been hit and miss. Some good signings, some poor signings. For me, Niasse needs to be forgot about for this season and let's wait to judge him properly over the course of next season after he's had a proper pre season and more minutes. People writing him off already after only fleeting appearances is just ridiculous, people need to remember that before coming to us he hadn't played or trained for 2 months and then came to us and got mins here and there and when your not fit your mind isn't sharp, your touch isn't there either and you will get found out at this stage of the season so we need to write this season off for him with regards to us, but not write him off and wait to judge till next season!

The bit about Fellaini & Anichebe winds me up about this idiot, talking like he had no choice in those 2 going when he talks about losing their goalscoring threat, blah, blah, blah....

He wanted rid of the pair at the end of the day! He chose to sell them so he could sign the likes of McCarthy and Barry & Lukaku on loan! Don't go moaning when it was your own choice to let those players go ya moron!

I just can't wait till the bloke has been sacked, I can't! I don't think I've ever hated a manager has much has I hate him, not just Everton managers, any manager! He really does make my piss boil.

Trevor Lynes
59 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:51:02
We also lost Naismith and Jelavic....Naissie was definitely NOT an original target and the money for him was a panic buy to appease the fans after Naismith was allowed to leave !
Frank Crewe
60 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:51:33
Barry, Atsu, Eto'o, McCarthy, Besic, Lukaku, Kone, Alcaraz, Funes Mori, Robles, McGeady, Rodriguez, Henen, Niasse, Traore, Cleverly, Deulofeu, Lennon.

17 names there. Out of those only 3, Barry, McCarthy and Lukaku are regular 1st team picks. Robles only gets picked because of fan pressure to drop Howard. The rest of them either never feature or get the odd sub appearance or have left the club altogether.

The fact is that three years on the bulk of the 1st team is still made up from the players Roberto inherited from OFM. All three years older BTW.

Only Lukaku has made any real impact and if it hadn't been for Kone's injury I doubt we would have had him.

Roberto's buys are mostly has beens or never weres.

Kim Vivian
61 Posted 02/05/2016 at 11:59:49
Giacomo - very colourful... but does that all mean something else in your native language?
Ray Robinson
62 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:07:38
Steve #56, I renewed yesterday because I want to sit next to my mates but otherwise, I would have waited until at least May 26 to renew (when the discount ceases). By that time, he will surely have been fired?

I have always wondered what makes a good manager. Clearly, some managers work well at lower levels (Dario Gradi) but would never hack it with so-called super stars, some satisfy the egos of galacticos but could never hack it at Accrington. Some are good at maintaining a team at a certain level but generally don't go any further (Moyes, Wenger at Arsenal recently), others are adept at preserving Premier League status (Pulis). The Mourinho's achieve success with large budgets and then piss everybody off.

What sort of manager do we want? Personally, I'd like to see a younger, ambitious manager who has had some success in a decent standard foreign league or someone who has been shown to consistently improve a Premier League team. Above all, he must have access to the foreign market. Martinez, for me, has never really exploited his Spanish connections - Deolufeu aside.

Anyway, if the current incumbent is still in charge at the start of next season, I'll be demanding my money back. What's the betting that Martinez will be sacked tomorrow and the renewal deadlines are extended?

Sean Randles
63 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:08:48
Thanks Mike Allison 52 for some balance amidst all the rage and vitriol. What are those players worth now? All a lot more than we paid for them I would suggest. And Galloway is another one who came in under RM. Sure there were some buys that didn't work out - Alcatraz, Mcgeady, Kone - but far too soon to write off Niase- he deserves more time to be judged- he showed some decent touches on Saturday so lets give him a break. Roberto is not a complete failure and doesn't deserve to take the blame for everything. The players seem to be getting away without any kind of criticism at all- how can that be?
Ray Smith
64 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:14:23
The one positive thing we havn't had is a 'vote of confidence' for Martinez from the board!!!
Bobby Thomas
65 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:16:04
4 windows without sorting a Pienaar replacement, short or long term. Whilst he collects right wingers.

Poor management.

Dick Fearon
66 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:16:47
Unless something really drastic happens most of the players you mention will be a drain on the budget next year. You can add to that list with Pienaar, Hibbert, Osman, Gibson and Martinez himself.
Not a reason for hope eh'.
Damian Wilde
67 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:19:10
Mike A, are you a Martinez apologist?

Let's go through the players you mention:

- McGeady, no we can't discount him becauae he wasn't 'dirt cheap' - four odd million I believe. Plus massive wages as pointed out. He deserves sacking for this purchase alone, a League 1 player.

- Funes Mori, done fairly well so far, though certainly not brilliantly. Expensive though.

- Barry, good signing

- Besic, overall - poor. Plays the occasional brilliant game, but is then crap for a ton of games; not consustent enough (though prob. ruined him)

- McCarthy, absolute garbage. Offers nothing.

- Cleverley, 'average', not needed

, poor signing

- Lennon, quite good...at best

- Deulofeu, quite good

- Lukaku. Great goal scorer, but poor attitude. Will make a decent profit from him and he scored a decent amount of games, so a great signing.

- Niasse, worst signing in our entire history

- Atsu, terrible

- Alcaraz, terrible

- Etto, didn't work out fue to Martinez prob. Good player.

- Kone, League 1 player, terrible signing

- Robles, 'average'

Doesn't look good, eh Mike?

"Uses young players rather than getting the chequebook out."

You mean like buying Niasse rather than play the promising Dowell, who got two minutes in a dead runber. Joke.

Paul Thompson
68 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:23:06
I'm in the mixed bag camp. Getting Barry and to a lesser extent Lukaku was genius; Cleverly, Lennon and Duel astute. McCarthy is an average player who was not worth £13m. Robles is also average. The jury is still out on Funes Mori and Besic, let alone Niasse (Let's just wait a bit longer before writing him off eh?). Then at the debit end, we have Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady and most of the loanees have been less than inspiring. It's certainly a better record than Newcastle and a number of other clubs, but less impressive than Southampton. For me, these attacks are somewhat the wrong target - it's how he gets them to play thats the problem.
Kim Vivian
69 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:23:56
Sean - management and leadership is massively about motivation (amongst other things). Who is likely to be the motivating or demotivating factor with our players? As a group we know they can get themselves going as at Wembley (eventually) when they just got on and did it, not for the first time. I don't think that was due to RM
Steve Davies
70 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:25:44
There was a quote in one of the papers today that he said "It's not about winning the fans over with talking, its about doing it with wins"

Well, Roberto you treat us as idiots and have talked shite all season. That is the problem. That is why most of us are starting to dislike you intensely. Also there has been a lack of wins.

If you think that by beating Bournemouth and then Norwich is enough to keep you and Jones in your very well paid jobs, I hope you are mistaken. He will say after these wins that he has turned the corner and we are on the up. No we are not Roberto, we held onto the lead for two minutes against Bournemouth. Nothing has really changed.

You cannot suddenly obtain tactical acumen and start organising your defense when you have stated just recently your intentions to Mr Carragher. You honestly believe that your approach will prevail.

It goes to show you can make a career on winning one FA Cup.

His next club will be like Leeds who will buy his bullshit and not look at his record. No disrespect to Leeds but their chairman is in la la land like Uncle Bill.

Giacomo Trifoglio
71 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:31:09
Hello Kim, no, the "word bingo" is something you can play at work. His deflections always contain the same words, moment, level, can be, important. In other words he's "getting there", when it seems apparent to a lot of us that he isn't.
Kim Vivian
72 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:37:58
Giacomo, hello again. Ah - get it now. Never heard that before. Good shout.
I'm sure I'm not the only person on here who has been enlightened.
Thank you.
Bob Parrington
73 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:50:16
Back to the start of the trail----- Against Bournemouth, we saw glimpses of what Niasse can do. IMO he should be given the chance to fully show up. To date he has been given little chance.

As far as RM goes, he should be a scout as he can bring in some talent but, manager for Everton, no way!

Damian Wilde
74 Posted 02/05/2016 at 12:56:50
Martinez a scout... :o kidding me, yeah?
Bob Parrington
76 Posted 02/05/2016 at 13:36:31
Rather than Manager was the point!! He has some contacts. Best he be away from Everton though, Damien!
Martin O'Sullivan
77 Posted 02/05/2016 at 13:41:48
Ok let's have a look at the transfer record.
In fairness some good players in, well done Bobby have a little pat on the back.
But the management of these good players has been terrible and you have actually made them underperform massively and clearly the fitness regime is terrible too.
So all in all it still means your not good enough for Everton and can't get players in form or even fit.
So this means your transfers don't mean sh#t as you can't manage them.
Oliver Molloy
78 Posted 02/05/2016 at 13:58:55
Damien @ 41

McGeady cost half a million I believe, and whatever wage he is on we now know it's too much!

Michael Penley
79 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:13:39
Making Martinez a scout would actually be a perfect solution for all. Give him a fancy title like "Transfer Advisor", a desk and even his own computer that goes "beep". He won't actually have any power at the club except in an advisory role, but we won't tell him that. We can even wheel him in front of the cameras every week, but we won't tell him they aren't switched on. Bill obviously loves him and he loves the club, so this would be the perfect solution for all.
James Hughes
80 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:16:14
Yes Mike, never let facts get in the way of an opinion, he has a great track record in the transfer market:-

Traore,managed half a game that stuck around for 6 months. I think he was enjoying the sights and sounds of Liverpool with Royston Drenthe and Andy van der MERDE (yes I know merde is French)

Alcaraz , in most games treated the ball like an IED and stayed as far away from it as possible either that or he was worried about getting concussion from heading the ball, so he didn't bother

Traffic - his nickname is very apt as he is stationary for most parts of a game and is only slightly more mobile.

McGeady - well he was cheap so we only paid him 㿊k per week, Mike can you be my next employer please.

McCarthy, I would like to say he is the model of inconsistency but his performances fluctuate too much to qualify.

Just my opinion and to be even handed I didn't bother with any facts in my post either.
Also mike pleas don't think I am picking on you, but I have such a downer on Roberto that he would need to find a cure for cancer or solve the Middle East conundrum for me to even say he should be allowed to breathe.

Damian Wilde
81 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:22:20
Don't forget we want the useless Greame Jones and Denis Lawrence gone as well.
Phil Walling
82 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:24:21
It's all been said before but lets face it, Martinez would NEVER have become our manager if he had not inspired Wigan to beat Everton on the way to winning the FA Cup. Even Kenwright would not have employed him on the back of getting Peg Leg's Pride relegated. ( the old boy wanted rid, believe me !)

As far as his acumen in the transfer market is concerned, of the £25M + paid for transfer of his Wigan players and staff, only McCarthy looks above average and apart from Lukaku, of his other signings, only the veteran Barry stands out.

True, the likes of Lennon and Cleverley can 'do a job' but no way are they better than dozens of midfielders we've seen here in the Premiere era.

No, just as expected when he came here, Martinez is a phoney in the transfer market, in the training and fitness of his teams and in areas of tactics and game management.

Off with his head !

Denis Richardson
83 Posted 02/05/2016 at 14:36:59
Sean 64, highly doubt we would be able to sell Besic for 4m based on his time with us. 100% certain no one will cough up 13m+ for McCarthy (west ham paid about 12m for Payet and Kante and Mahrez cost Leisceter 6m and 450k!) You'll be looking a long long time in the loony asylum before you find someone who'd pay 13.5m for Niasse - admittedly he hasn't had many minutes but he looks gash.

9m for Deulofeu (still needs to actually deliver regularly), 9m for Mori (looks a decent signing to be fair but not first choice due to more political reasons).

Only Lukaku would def get more now than was paid. Admittedly this 'more' may cover the losses on all the others.

Still don't know where this 'he's good in the transfer market' myth comes from. Only a 3-4 of his 18 signings are regular starters. Also everyone knew about Lukaku after his time with west Brom so he was hardly a great discovery.

The likes of Lennon and Cleverley, whilst not shit, are bog average for the league. When we signed them the other clubs rumored to be interested were the likes of Villa and Sunderland.

Pretty underwhelming imo.

Eivind Nyhus
84 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:06:33
I dislike how some Everton supporters seem to channel their hate for Martinez through Niasse. It's a nasty thing to do, and totally unfair. During his playing for us, Niasse really hasn't done enough wrong to render any of the hate he's getting fair. No fucking wonder big names (or any player with access to Google) don't wanna play for our club – who would want to play for such a nasty bunch? I for sure wouldn't!

I too think RM should go; we're simply not getting the results we should be getting and he keeps spewing phenomenal BS, but attacking players who're clearly not to blame, is just childish shit behaviour. If you wanna blame players, at least blame the ones actually playing and under-performing, not a guy who's played one match for us.

Everything I read about Niasse before us buying him said he was the kind of player who needs to play every week to get the best out of him, that hasn't been the case so far, and he's not the one to blame for any of it, not his price tag, his lack of playing, or our poor form. FFS, get a grip blues!

If anything, Niasse did okay on his full debut in our last game. He had a terrible missed pass, but so did everyone in a blue shirt. On the positive side, he created a few chances for us, and worked a hell of a lot harder than Lukaku ever does, but for some reason I never see that mentioned by any of you biased grouches. Given a little time and proper coaching, I would not be surprised if Niasse could be a lot more than just a decent squad player for us, but at least give him more time on the actual pitch before judging him so harshly.

Now, let's get rid of RM, hire Pellegrini or DeBoer, and become a nice friendly bunch again. This constant moaning and horrid behaviour towards our players is getting old, and is only digging our blue grave deeper. Aim your aggression at the man deciding who we buy and how we play; if who we buy and how we play is your problem, stop lashing out at everyone else. I feel so fucking bad for Niasse, and I really do hope he's too smart to check out Everton forums around the web. Some of the comments made about him are just a disgrace, and the people writing them should stop calling themselves blues. Attacking your own is not our way, it never has been, and I really, REALLY hope it never will be.

Michael Kenrick
85 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:26:30
"Attacking your own is not our way, it never has been, and I really, REALLY hope it never will be. " – And yet you seem to have made it your way, Eivind in attacking your own supporters. Very poor.

"The kind of player who needs to play every week..." Someone should have told the manager before now. His lack of games in three months with us is totally unacceptable.

Eivind Nyhus
87 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:54:26
If calling unwarranted, hostile comments nasty, then sure, I "made it my way".
David Barks
88 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:54:54
Elvind,

You think our supporters are overly critical and this is the grand reasoning behind us not being able to attract top players!!??? More demanding the the reds, United, Real Madrid!!! Me thinks it might be down to a much more logical reason, money and ambition.

Give me a break, we're some of the least demanding supporters in the damn league. We put up with the appointment of a manager who had literally just relegated his previous team. And we've put up with him for three season, while we decline year over year.

We put up with BK's 24/7 search for investment for over a decade! We've put up with failed stadium builds/projects, false investment stories, and missing out on supposedly interested parties that ended up turning around and buying City. Yeah, we're far too demanding, that's it.

Damian Wilde
89 Posted 02/05/2016 at 15:55:11
Completely agree with Denis and Phil.

Elvind, the hate is for Martinez not Niasse (maybe you're getting confused?), all we've said about Niasse is that he's shit, which seems correct on evidence so far (albeit small amounts of evidence). Not sure where your hissy fit has come from.

Patrick Murphy
90 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:01:00
Brian Blogger of nowhere in particular said "Garrulity is a footballing evil which very few fans can abide, and the truth of the matter is that Roberto Martinez, talks too much, too. For a Premier League team, Everton should be playing football that is fast and concise, it is however, ponderously slow and long-winded and as transparent as a goldfish bowl. There are two identically suspenseful passages of play, at the beginning and at the end, when innocent fans linger painfully in the shadow of the main stand, while players rush about to save themselves from criticism and that's about all the suspense there is.

Bobby Blogger has undoubtedly and unashamedly plagiarised the review of the film "The Man Who Talked Too Much" (1940) written by Bosley Crowther of The New York Times

Eivind Nyhus
91 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:22:33
David, no, I'm not saying angry fans are the reason we're not getting players, I'm saying it probably isn't helping.

And us being demanding isn't the problem. A large contigent of our (vocal online)supporters are just plain nasty in their approach to describing our players and staff, thats my issue. Its fully possible to demant greatness in a critical, yet civil way.

Damian, I don't think my hissy fit is that unwarranted. Calling a player you've barley seen play shit, is in itself a little shitty, don't you think? I do. He should be given the same chance to prove himself on the pitch every other player is given, and not be judged on basicly nothing other than Martinez paying a lot for him, and him basicly not playing since getting here.

Dave Abrahams
92 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:22:51
Off track has anybody got any information on Deulofeu, on anther site he is reportedly out for the rest of the season, done his knee ligaments in.
Patrick Murphy
94 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:30:44
Dave (93) I thought I read about it in the Echo today but it said something along the lines that Del Boy had suffered a knock to his knee on Friday but whilst he might recover for the Norwich game it was possibly a little bit early for him. That didn't sound as serious as you have said but whenever can we rely on the boss to tell it like it is.
Pete Cross
95 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:31:10
Dave injured in training,out for the season.
Keith Harrison
96 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:36:41
Apart from Robles eventually replacing Howard - because TH was on a downward slope, none of Bobby's outright signings have tore up trees.
James McCarthy had a really good first season - box to box midfielder we thought. Since then, it's like playing 'wally' where you kick the ball to him and it comes right back. He never passes forwards, and very rarely ventures forward with purpose.
Alcaraz? That's where he should have ended up.
Kone? I've seen better movement after a spicy curry.
Niasse? Possibly unfair to lambast the lad, but nothing I have seen of him to date suggests a diamond here - not even a cubic zirconia. Of his touches on Saturday, I could have done similar, wafting airily, and slicing the very occasional ball to a team mate.
Ramon Funes Mori? Might eventually turn out to be half decent despite our paying over double what the asking rate was at the time. May also learn to be able to pass the ball directly to a team mate.
Who else? Oh, Romelu Lukaku, Aaron Lennon, Gerard Delofeu and Gareth Barry. All successes to one degree or another. And the common denominator? Roberto had all of these lads on loan for at least half a season first, before buying/signing.

Add to this Leandro Rodriguez, Lacinda Traore, Aiden Mcgeady, Samuel Eto'o.

Okay Roberto, I've had a look at your signings over three years. Close the door quietly after you, there's a good lad.

Tony Hill
97 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:38:38
Deulofeu's twitter says it's a small injury. Still think this boy is massively talented and he nearly worked it against United last week, even though he was far from his best. In a happy, well-organised team he'll be a major force again, I hope.
Paul Thompson
98 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:41:50
Eivind - you are imo right. I have little or no time for Martinez and have wanted him gone for a long time, But a degree of nastiness now prevails were dislike (even hatred) for Martinez leaks into judgments on everything else, including comments directed towards any poster who has the temerity not to go along with the prevailing view.
Robin Cannon
99 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:43:29
I think it's fair to argue that he's brought in a lot of talented players. I do think he has a solid transfer record.

The Guardian commented today that if/when he leaves, we'll be in a better state than when he arrived. In a lot of ways I think that's true...if he leaves.

Because his issue hasn't been recruitment, it's been utilization of the talent in the squad; in tactical, fitness and motivational terms.

On Niasse; I thought he showed one or two nice touches. It was a pretty underwhelming team performance all round. It's the first time he's played more than 5 minutes. I honestly have no idea how good a player he is.

Steavey Buckley
100 Posted 02/05/2016 at 16:51:58
Selling Felaini was Martinez's biggest mistake, because he is 3 players in one: he scores goals from midfield and dominates both penalty boxes. The 3 areas Everton are weakened in. And really shows.
David Barks
101 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:02:25
Elvind, we live in the time of keyboard warriors. The only reason you think ours are so bad is because this is the team you follow. If you spent as much time on the boards/forums of every other club, you'd see the same thing. What people type on forums has zero impact on a player and it's not something limited to us. Take a peak at celebrities and athletes Twitter feeds if you want to see what garbage people endlessly post from the safety and anonymity of their keyboard.
James Carroll
102 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:08:33
He really doesn't do himself any favors, does he??!:
Atsu
Alcaraz
McGeady
Kone
Traore
Niasse

ish don't think so....

Clive Rogers
103 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:13:53
I'm hearing some of the players are upset at seeing how poor Niasse is in training, then finding out he is on more money than all but two of them. He's on 55 grand with only Barry and Lukaku on more. He's on more than Jags.
Ian Bennett
104 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:20:18
They could all earn a bit more from win bonuses. But that involves breaking sweat, rather than moaning...
David Edwards
105 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:22:45
Keith #93 - hard to disagree with anything you outlined. The 'try before you buy' 'loan' situation is a curious one - it might show a shrewd approach to new buys - but I suspect it reflected our limited resources before Moshiri, rather than a grand plan. Would have been nice to have Niasse on loan before we shelled out, in hindsight!
Eivind Nyhus
106 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:32:32
David, I agree, people are at times maddening when hidden behind a keyboard, myself included, and its not limited to us. But I do think we should put a little more though into what we write and say, because I'm not convinced you are correct about the effect a overly agressive fan base can have on a player/players. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying any of us are in any way the reason for our poor season, but I do think its harder to get results when the people supporting you as a player or team, are the same people saying youre garbage.
Darren Hind
107 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:34:46
i don't know why Roberto is taking all the blame . .The "recruitment department" have really let him down.

You'd think they'd have had the decency to actually exist

Ray Said
108 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:46:19
Darren (107) our 'recruitment department' does exist. I think his name is Mr U. Tube.
Darren Hind
109 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:52:41
Of course Ray

I stand corrected

Phil Walling
110 Posted 02/05/2016 at 17:55:17
Clive @ 103, If your information is correct that could very well be the reason why some of our players 'seem to have switched off'. It's not an unusual situation but very difficult to manage if the high earner is perceived as a passenger.

Personally, I can see the guy back on his way to Russia during the summer.

Phil Walling
111 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:03:49
Robin @ 99; you can argue all you like but you wont convince me Martinez is a whizz in the transfer market. He signs volume but much of it is dross as indicated in this thread.

Apart from Stones and Barkley who he didn't sign, only Lukaku would fetch more than £10M tops. In my view, lots and lots of very average players.

Roy Cook
112 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:16:43
More than 㾶 million? Hmmm... Coleman? McCarthy? Mori? The Mirallas fee will be interesting. I don't think he'd take that for Galloway either.
Colin Glassar
113 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:36:57
Clive, surely that's £55 p/w with a £20 food and transport allowance thrown in?
Barry Kay
114 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:51:04
To quote Father Ted Crilly 'Down with this sort of thing' .
Andy Crooks
115 Posted 02/05/2016 at 18:54:51
The last defence of the useless Martinez is his transfer record. Alcaraz and Kone should just about seal it without even mentioning Niasse. In an era where overpaid, utterly amentable shit coaches are two a penny we have the king.

I watch a bit of Irish league football and , honest to God, I would take any of those hard working coaches ahead of the fool we have disgracing our club. He is a laughing stock. He may be a nice man but,by fuck,he is an apology of a coach.

Denis Richardson
116 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:00:17
Niasse on 55k/week! Wish I could negotiate my next contract with Everton FC!

Niasse was supposedly on 35k/wk in Moscow and just 3 seasons ago (aged 23) was playing pro football in Senegal, (probably on about 500/week.)

That's some meteoric wage wise, add in also the 1.35m signing on bonus to join us and he's already taken care of the grand kids!

Transfer wise he joined a none big Turkish club in 2013 for 200k. A year later went to Moscow for 4m, 18 months later we sign him for 13.5m!

Some career trajectory in 2.5 years!

Les Netherwood
117 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:04:25
Does anyone listen or take any notice of Roberto? It makes you wonder how he ever got through the door. His transfers are nearly all crap and his substitutions during games are usually ridiculous.

I can't believe he will still be with us next season......if only he would leave hand in hand with Bill (Blue) Kenwright.....we would all live happily ever after.

Mike Berry
118 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:08:06
The man is deluded and clutching at straws. I wake up in a cold sweat dreaming of the defensive abilities of Alcraz
Karl Parsons
119 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:21:29
The beaut is blowing chunks again. I can't take much more.
Len Gowing
120 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:30:14
Lyndon/Michael - are you able to calculate the top 5 adjectives used on the forums ? I'm guessing, Deluded, Clown, Rubbish, Useless, Shite - Phenominalll must be close... Generally not a good barometer of the fans feeling. However, I am just about to renew my season ticket because both me and my son were born blue.
Phil Walling
121 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:37:44
Roy @112. It's not if Everton would accept the figure, it's if anybody will offer it !
Martin Nicholls
122 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:39:53
Ray#63. I'm with you all the way - step forward Unai Emery.
Martin Nicholls
123 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:41:49
Sorry guys Ray#63 is now Ray#62!
Stephen Brown
124 Posted 02/05/2016 at 19:42:35
Sorry - totally off topic but good to hear Bob Latchford and Dixie Dean both just get a mention on Corrie!! Now they were proper legends!!
Martin Nicholls
126 Posted 02/05/2016 at 20:02:29
Niasse may prove to be a good player next season and beyond although I like many have grave doubts. The point however is, is he a good signing? He was bought in the January window at the inflated fee which that window commands. Such panic (for want of a better word) buys need to hit the ground running to be regarded as good signings. Niasse quite clearly (maybe through no fault of his own) has not. A decent player next season bought at a premium price and with 8 months wages thrown in before he can kick a ball in earnest is NOT a good signing. Had we been signing a young Neymar (or indeed a John Stones) in identical circumstances in order to "beat others to the punch" then maybe it would have been a good signing, however, Neymar he is not!! As for this argument about the Russian winter break (NOT close season) his former colleagues were up to speed weeks ago so that is a totally spurious argument.
Brin Williams
127 Posted 02/05/2016 at 20:04:01
So lads, how long do we give him to show his full potential?
Niasse not RM!! Or do we persevere say for three years until he finds a moment to produce something phenomenal worthy of his £13M price tag.

Sorry but I think he's shite (Niasse I mean) - on the evidence seen on Saturday - but there again I thought Roberto was the answer to our dreams for the first season - and then it all went pear shaped.

WTFK.

Christy Ring
130 Posted 02/05/2016 at 21:09:52
I can't understand how Niasse is so unfit, something is seriously wrong.
Regarding his signings, the biggest problem for me was the players Martinez didn't sign. He needed to replace Howard last summer, needed a right back as backup to Coleman, needed a left winger, but Bob's stubbornness shone through. He wouldn't drop Tim, played a left back on the right, Kone on the left wing, a team with no shape and tactless.
Goodbye Bob.
Ray Smith
131 Posted 02/05/2016 at 21:13:29
As Ray 64, I'm feeling a bit isolated.

Rarely get a comment from you guys.

However, I will persevere, have been banned once, but once a blue, always a blue.

Would be nice to be involved a bit more!

Finn Taylor
132 Posted 02/05/2016 at 21:23:10
Niasse - Nyarko.
Jamie Sweet
134 Posted 02/05/2016 at 22:49:51
Surprised how many people claim we don't have cover at right back.

Hibbo's got at least another 5 years in him based on Saturday's performance!

Andrew James
135 Posted 02/05/2016 at 22:57:51
His transfer record has been questionable yet so has his ability to develop players. Lukaku was a sure fire success both as a loan and signing because of what he'd done with West Brom. Deulofeu I will give him. The Wigan brigade have been mostly a joke and the one success in James McCarthy we overpaid for. Three seasons and hasn't evolved.

McGeady - pathetic. Barry was good but wasn't risky nor expensive. Niasse, Traore and Atsu - it's not great. Besic...still got a lot to prove. Funes Mori likewise and we pay over the odds for him. Cleverley...meh.

But he really should not draw attention to losing two attacking options in Anichebe and Fellaini when there is a strong argument to say he retained both Naismith and Mirallas but couldn't get either going so that the former has left and the latter has gone AWOL. Both are attackers capable of getting double figures. Add to that the pudding that Kone has been and he's on very dodgy ground.

Bring in some Coleman's and Cahill's Roberto and you will be justified saying stuff like this but shut up otherwise.

What next? "I feel our defence has been in an incredible moment all season and our injury time game management has been phenomenal..." ???

Max Murphy
136 Posted 02/05/2016 at 23:38:02
Great achievement for Leicester City winning the title tonight - a feat that will never be bettered by another team.
So why do we bother?
Martinez has pissed me off so much - I've lost all interest in Everton F.C.
Tony Williams
137 Posted 02/05/2016 at 23:56:19
We have some talented players in our club, but can anyone tell me how players who are talented can go backwards?
David Pearl
138 Posted 03/05/2016 at 00:07:32
Ray Smith 131 - Welcome to the club Ray, I too have been banned, a couple of times I think. Once for saying that Blue Kipper was better. hehe. I can say that it isn't anymore!!
Andrew James
139 Posted 03/05/2016 at 00:21:39
Well done Leicester and I am actually pleased Spurs got found out or perhaps maybe not found out by that really lovely ref tonight. They have been kicking and elbowing all season but because they move so fast the officials have not kept up with them.

We, on the other hand, are so slow in our assaults on the opposition that we get noticed immediately. Hence all the red cards.

People are saying Spurs will win next year. Not a chance. The bigger clubs will invest now and people will work out Spurs who have a lot of second season syndrome cases.

We're not that far off top 6 player wise but we need a new manager who will get them fit and focused.

Leicester have done something amazing and good luck to them!

Charlie Lloyd
140 Posted 03/05/2016 at 00:23:58
I agree with most on here. A few successes but mostly failures. The other issue for me in his recruitment policy has been leaving obvious gaps in the squad, RB and LM. Somebody across the city produced a lopsided squad and he got the bullet.
Gavin Johnson
141 Posted 03/05/2016 at 00:58:54
Niasse needs to be given more time. He looked knackered at times on Saturday so the lack of fitness might me a genuine reason for lack of play (you'd have thought Martinez would have learnt from signing an unfit Traore) Niasse did play a great ball to Ross and then found space for himself for the return pass that wasn't forthcoming.

I'm trying to be optimistic but he looks a bad buy along with Kone, McGeady and Alcaraz. The other players for me have all been good signings - Rom, Barry, McCarthy, Deulofeu, Besic, Lennon, Funes Mori, Cleverley. All of which were relatively cheap apart from Rom and McCarthy.

So I'll knock Martinez for not being defensively savvy, talking waffle and not seeming to focus enough on player fitness, but I think he's done very well in the transfer market bearing in mind he was always going to be compared to Moyes who did very well in his selected highlights in the transfer market over 10 years. That said, there were plenty of duds that easily get forgotten when Arteta, Cahill, Baines, Lescot, Coleman and Jags get brought up over Moyes's decade of transfer dealings.

Nicholas Ryan
142 Posted 03/05/2016 at 04:09:43
I was watching the Newcastle game on MOTD, and couldn't help thinking, that Andros Townsend [12m] was cheaper than Oumar Niasse [13.5m] ....... just saying!
Jeff Hughes
144 Posted 03/05/2016 at 07:09:52
I really, really didn't want to renew my season ticket whilst that clown was still in charge but ...... I just have and you just have to. I couldn't make Saturday's game and so my son took his wife who, apart from being the granddaughter of Louis Bimpson who once played for the other lot, knows nothing about football. Halfway through the game she asked my son, "Why do Everton take the ball past the halfway line and then go back again?" Exactly! Why can't you see Roberto that your philosophy is boring and doesn't work? Please Bill/Farhad give me some hope for next season and get rid of Martinez?
Alan J Thompson
145 Posted 03/05/2016 at 07:15:42
How come nobody has mentioned our Brazilian right back...or was it a right back with a Brazilian? Anyway, Hibbo got a run.
Tony Burke
146 Posted 03/05/2016 at 09:41:33
From The Guardian, this morning:

"A game that is often overcomplicated and increasingly obsessed with statistics, the percentages show that Ranieri's team are in the bottom three for possession and that only West Bromwich Albion have a lower pass completion rate, yet the only table that matters – in the absence of one that quantifies teamwork – shows Leicester City with an unassailable lead at the top of the Premier League. We should all enjoy that sight."


Amen.
Damian Wilde
147 Posted 03/05/2016 at 11:19:11
Could someone please explain to me what McCarthy offers?
Andrew Ellams
148 Posted 03/05/2016 at 11:22:50
Damian I am living in hope that McCarthy is somebody that is being held back by Martinez boring tippy tap football. But saying that I'd like to see Stones given a try as the sole defensive midfielder with Barkley and Besic in front of him giving the midfield a bit more forward drive.
Tony Abrahams
149 Posted 03/05/2016 at 11:27:36
At the minute, Damien, very little. Martinez has been found out, so McCarthy, his pupil, looks puzzled and lost. He has to get away from Martinez to get back on track, because their is definitely a good player in James McCarthy.

George Cumiskey
150 Posted 03/05/2016 at 12:12:09
Damian (#40),

I said on another thread, Roberto is going nowhere. Bill is delaying the announcement so people will think he is on his way out and buy their STs and then, at the end of the season, when you can't protest, he will back him.

Like I said before, very very crafty, our Bill. They say you can judge a man by his friends – isn't Philip Green a great mate of his?

Damian Wilde
152 Posted 03/05/2016 at 13:05:05
Possibly Andrew. All he ever does is pass it sideways, but maybe he is instructed to do this?

I agree that we need much more 'drive' going forward.

Paul Cherrington
153 Posted 03/05/2016 at 13:05:48
I think Stones as the defensive midfielder in front of the back four in a 4-1-4-1 formation would be a great idea as well.

We don't need two defensive midfielders and certainly not as we leak goals with two in the team anyway, so nothing to lose.

Ray Jacques
154 Posted 03/05/2016 at 13:21:56
Do you think RM will be able to get the payers motivated for the guard of honour on Saturday?

It will probably be the most organised we have been all season!

Tom Bowers
155 Posted 03/05/2016 at 13:39:06
Martinez has no defence whatsoever even on the pitch!

The question is to my mind why have these players for the most part played below par in so many games especially since Christmas? Martinez has shown very little evidence of turning things around so why should the fans or Kenwright believe he can do it in his fourth season if he is miraculously kept on.

With nothing to play for I believe Everton should parade the youngsters on Saturday in a nothing game that Leicester will be relaxed in also. It is a perfect opportunity for the young Everton boys and then with the relegation games they can play the first-teamers but quite honestly I think they won't do any better than the youngsters.

Damian Wilde
156 Posted 03/05/2016 at 13:58:56
Martinez won't play ypungsters as he is obsessed with his favourites e.g. Cleverley, McCarthy.

I think that the board are being silent means he's going; if he was saying they'd say so. End of the season, he'll be gone.

Stewart Lowe
160 Posted 03/05/2016 at 16:38:05
We should not judge any of the players we have.

Coleman and Baines were the best full backs in the country until Martinez went for wingers instead and they have been bang average / rubbish ever since. The rest of our defenders cant be blamed for their performances in the last 2 years as they have come through youth academy and professional football playing a certain way, only for Martinez to try and instil a completely new way, so there is no wonder they are struggling.

When a decent Manager comes in and allows Jagielka and Stones to play like defenders should do, and for McCarthy to play as a holding midfielder should do, and for full backs to perform the roles we know they are capable of, we will all stand up and applaud what great players we have.

Stewart Lowe
162 Posted 03/05/2016 at 16:56:26
I totally agree that the board made their minds up a few months ago and instead of ridiculing Kenwright I think he should be applauded for not going public like a lot of clubs do. I know all of us want to know the fate of Martinez and for all we know he was informed of this long ago. But Everton are professionals and rather than hanging him out to dry now they are allowing him to go with some respect.

You can bet your life that if Kenwright was 100% behind Martinez he would have come out and said so by now. I believe that half the board wanted Moyes gone after finishing in the bottom half of the table in his 2nd or or 3rd year but Kenwright came out and said the club fully backs him, and that hasn't happened with Martinez.

Don Alexander
163 Posted 03/05/2016 at 17:22:34
Tony Burke @ #146, the Guardian journo, anyone who knows anything about football, Leicester City, and a certain Mr B. Shankley all said the same thing about football being a simple game, and the simpler it is the better it looks.

Quite frankly the IQ of the average player, star or not, demands simplicity.

.............So cue our Catalan Clown with his "moments", "game-management", "phenomenals", "incredibles" etc etc to hopelessly disguise the bog standard fact that even so simple a game as football is far beyond his comprehension or management.

Ian Hollingworth
164 Posted 03/05/2016 at 17:45:20
Congratulations to Leicester City. Now we will definitely beat them on Saturday and Bobby Martinez will claim we have turned the corner and Bullshit Bill will probably claim "What a manager".

How dare this charlatan try and undermine Leicesters achievement in his interview with Carragher is beyond me. Raneiri put aside his own football philosophy and played a style that suited the players he has.

Leicester have an ambitious board and a top manager both of which we are sadly lacking. Those two reasons are why they are Champions and why we are languishing in the bottom half.

Please don't let anyone question the style as Leicester have been superb with fast direct football whereas our style is slow and boring.

Kenwright and Martinez OUT please.

Mick Davies
166 Posted 03/05/2016 at 18:16:06
Just think, for Niasse plus £10m, you could buy the WHOLE Premier league champions
Phil Walling
167 Posted 03/05/2016 at 18:37:10
I really do believe we shall win the remaining two games thus ending the season on a three game winning run.

Should that be enough to save him, given it will possibly mean we finish NINTH ? And on budget.

Damian Wilde
168 Posted 03/05/2016 at 18:57:12
There are three games remaining, Phil. And no we won't win all of them (be amazed if we win any considering how we have been playing). And no he will be gone, otherwise the board would have said so.
Phil Walling
169 Posted 03/05/2016 at 19:09:08
Of course, you are correct, Damien. I had quite forgotten the midweek Sunderland game. So he could pull off a four game unbeaten run and thus delay Moysey's inevitable return !
Martin Mason
170 Posted 03/05/2016 at 19:11:35
Surely f he was going they'd announce it? Him staying needs no announcement so I see no announcement as meaning no change.
Phil Walling
171 Posted 03/05/2016 at 19:20:58
Come on ,Gavin. You can't expect this 'kid' who has only had 4 months to get fit to be up to Prem standards yet ! Not for £13.5 M.

I know he is a turkey, you know he is a turkey and so do all Evertonians. Martinez knows it but can't afford to admit it !

Clive Rogers
172 Posted 03/05/2016 at 20:35:08
Phil, in a way he has admitted it by saying don't judge me on this signing.

Niasse has played most of his games in Senegal 1st and 2nd divisions.
In 2012 Niasse was loaned to Branne, Norway with a view to a deal, but they sent him back after 3 games. He spent a year in Turkey, then 2 in Moscow, playing 28 games for 12 goals. He has missed a lot of games due to injury. His record in not brilliant even at a lower standard and he has been injury prone.

Gavin Johnson
173 Posted 03/05/2016 at 20:47:14
Phil

I think you're right, I'm not disagreeing. I just thought that Niasse looked unfit. He was standing around with his hands on his hips like he'd played 90 mins in the 1st half.. Why?! I don't know?! He's had long enough to get up to speed.

I don't think he should be wrote off, he might be the next Paulo Wanchope (who I always quite liked) but should a Wanchope type player be our 3rd biggest signing.. Absolutely No!! Even if he makes some kind of impact it seems hard to imagine that it will go anywhere near to justifying the fee we paid. So yeah, we've been done.

Damian Wilde
174 Posted 03/05/2016 at 21:17:03
Martin,

Disagree. With the huge amount of fan unhappiness if he was staying they would have come out with the "We realise it's not been an ideal season and that fans are very frustrated, but the board believe in Roberto's vision blah blah and he will of course be in-charge at the start of next season, etc."

Silence speaks volumes as they say. Often when clubs announce a manager's departure before the end of the season it doesn't go down well. So they stay quiet and announce it when the season ends, causing less of a fuss and he slopes off quietly.

Jay Wood
175 Posted 03/05/2016 at 22:10:51
Damian @ 147.

You ask what James McCarthy offers.

Well, his entire PL career (7 years and counting) has been played under one manager since he signed for Wigan from Hamilton, aged just 19.

It is reasonable to say then, more than any other player, he epitomizes the Martinez philosophy.

Reassured any...?

No, me neither.

Damian Wilde
176 Posted 03/05/2016 at 23:07:26
Good point, Jay! Poor bastard!
Clive Rogers
177 Posted 04/05/2016 at 19:21:03
By the way, the total cost of Niasse with his salary deal is over £26 million.

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