Jagielka determined to restore pride

Or, if the club really want to be apologetic and magnanimous, they could offer what's left to play for financially, as free tickets for next season (on a lottery basis), to fans who have already squandered hard earned cash, on the likes of Niasse and Co.

Why should the Fans have to pay, while under archievers are lining their pockets, getting their arses numb on the bench!!

Look, there's 9 points up for grabs; let's just have a phenominal moment and forget that we started this season back in August.

Sorry, Jags, it doesn't wear anymore

Drowning out the protest and now they are going to start trying with 3 games to go...

Unfuckingbelievable!

Anfield Derby

Jags....“That's the way it has to be and believe me, the lads on the park will live up to that and try to deliver in these last four games.”

Four games?

That's how far we've fallen, these no marks talking like we are Watford or Crystal Palace. It's totally embarrassing.

Also, let's put some myths to bed "two Semi-finals" – other than poor Chelsea side at home we didn't play anyone of substance on the way. Two goals up at City and the clown still blew it.

The next "the squad isn't that good after all", what garbage, most of them are picked for their countries and there is no excuse not to be in the top for this season. Fact is we have a clown of a manager who's arrogance is beyond belief.

"Martinez is a nice guy but......" what nonsense! How do you know he's a nice guy? Do you know him? If so please tell him from me he's a joke!

As Paul Merson said (the only media pundit with balls and he's not even an Evertonian), listening to Martinez is like a scene from Men in Black.

I've never felt so low at being an Evertonian and although I've always backed Kenwright I have to concede he is the one responsible for this mess.

Moshiri is a billionaire so a few extra million quid won't make a difference to him. Martinez, just play the youngsters and see if they have something to believe in for next season.

Haven't any of you ever worked in jobs where you have to bite your lip or try being optimistic for political reasons?

Yes, most of our players have been poor this season but I suspect a lot has gone on behind closed doors.

Imagine being a no-nonsense defender and being forced to play in a defence under RM? Jags must be holding his head. It's cost him his place for Euro 2016.

What, two more likely away defeats at Leicester and Sunderland and at best a scrappy draw or win at home to Norwich??

Too little too late now.

We have talked a good game all season but played from a very different hiyme sheet.

The season has been one long train wreck, you know it, we know it, only bloody Martinez thinks we've progressed. Too little, too late, like your boss I'm afraid.

Until a hurricane blows through the place, starting with the luvvie, we are destined for a ceiling of Europa League football. Even if we managed to do a Leicester for 32 games, you just know we would end up in 5th spot.

After a generation of mediocrity, the fans, the board and more importantly the players all expect to bottle it at some point. Let's hope Moshiri can change the whole ethos at the club, but it won't happen when the likes of Kenwright, Elstone & Woods are here. Until they ship out, we will remain plucky little Everton. It's in their blood to promote us as the underdog who finishes 6th against all odds.

Let's have a new chairman as well......the one we have now is the REAL problem.

There's no more pressure. If you can actually enjoy playing the last three games, maybe we might enjoy watching them.

I seem to recall that as soon as Roy Keane at a similar age to Jags started calling it like it was (in his opinion) he was moved on pretty damn fast. He also left the Republic of Ireland in 2002 by doing similar.

Not always the winner as his managerial record testifies.

Can some media expert not pull them all to one side and say - 'listen, best say nothing for the time being, we know you mean well but supporters are feeling very raw at the moment and every comment is just like salt in the wound.'

Forget tennis balls, if Jags, Baines, Lukaku, Howard etc get close enough to the Upper Gwladys against Norwich, they can expect one of these Link in the kipper.

And "humility"? With several games to go, one of your key players boasts about wanting to play in the Champions League when his team are nowhere near it! On many levels, we are a shambles and I can't see that changing any day soon.

It's already been said above – blood some of the youngsters & show us next season!

Been supporting the Blues for far too long now - still have that blind optimism every August! ;-)

Fair play to Leicester though – shows it can be done!

Jagielka, as captain, has to put a brave face on it in public, whilst simultaneously throwing the fans a small bone to acknowledge the fact performances have been below par. He can't really stroll in and say "We're a fucking disgrace and you wouldn't believe the shit that's been going on in that dressing room" (even if that's the truth) because he'd be signing his own death warrant and kissing the captaincy goodbye.

He's got to keep trotting out the cliches. Well, I suppose he could maybe mix it up a bit by finding an alternative angle, injecting some wit or throwing in some heartfelt soul-searching, but we're talking about football players at the end of the day. 86.2% of them probably believe Gazza's 'a proper character', James Corden is the King Of Comedy, sending pictures of your ball sack to some bird off Geordie Shore is a great idea and 'Mr Unbelievable' by Chris fucking Kamara is the finest literary work of the last five years.

I would welcome good performances in the remaining games but it will take more than that to restore our pride as a football club.

It may seem strange to man but the greatest hurt I feel from this season is down to the result at Anfield. If we want to restore our pride as a football club we have to learn how to beat them. I will never be satisfied until we can.

If and when we ever do learn to do this we will rise again.

They once had a manager who taught them the importance of these two games in any season. In doing so he laid the foundation for decades of success.

But please, this nonsense about him playing through the pain barrier in the semi-final... I know amateurs who do that in run of the mill games. That's the least he would do given the personal incentive he had to play in a cup final.

He knows his time is running out for silverware.

Do these people think we're that stupid and gullible?

You can get 7-1 on Leicester scoring 4 or more on Saturday, which sounds like decent odds; they're relaxed, and it's their last home game of the season, so a hat-full seems highly likely. Still, our Big Push can begin with Sunderland I suppose.

Showed it after the KM penalty fiasco against West Brom last season, pathetic and should have been stripped there and then of the captaincy!

Oh for a Roy Keane type attitude or even dare I say it the fight the Spurs players had on Monday night even though it was out of order. You have to admire their fighting spirit if only we had an ounce of that attitude we might have been in a cup final or two plus challenging for Europe. Even the nice guys of Leicester have shown fighting spirit lately.

We miss the likes of Phil Neville don't we? (Wow) but we really miss players like Big Dunc, Barry Horne, Joe Parkinson, John Ebbrell, Peter Reid, Paul Bracewell Terry Darracott, Mick Lyons, Andy King, Andy Gray, Pat Van den Hawe, Brian Labone, etc etc – players who fought for the jersey with sweat, blood and tears

Players who got stuck in and let the opposition know they were in for a game, seriously who do we have today that is feared ? Nobody! We need a Huth or a Shawcross even a Joey Barton type! – A horrible little shit like Bellami or Savage !!! Get stuck in and fight you useless shower.

Yes I've been drinking!!!

Does anyone know?

I believe it would make it much easier on players if supporters knew.

It would make 'why's he fucking saying...' more or less redundant, as you'd be able to answer your own question – ie: 'Because part of the deal is Sky insist on weekly interviews from four players including the captain. Each interview will last at least 3 minutes' (if that was the case).

I always think of Alex and Duncan Ferguson (re talking to the media).

Duncan seemed to go through his entire career without saying anything to anyone and without anyone saying 'but you've got to.'

'Sir Alex' was happy to be interviewed as long as all was going swimmingly, when things weren't going well however, interviewers got nothing (or risked having their mike shoved up their hoop).

Conclusion – the threat of possible violence can get you out of media duties.

(Conclusion based on the first conclusion – even with Gibson and Besic, we'll remain Europe's number one supplier of donkey's hind legs.)

I would love to see Roy Keane on the coaching staff wouldn't that be fun.

Can't forgive Jags after that West Brom penalty fiasco last season it summed it up for me, he should have grabbed the ball told Mirallas to fuck off and hand the ball to Baines ! Captains duty

To be fair that was quite a turning point for us and RM. I would love to know the stats of points achieved at home since that game

There really does seem to be a total lack of leadership and belief on the pitch, I'll say it again but we need the attitude of a Phil Neville! Not the ability of Neville but certainly his Man Utd winning attitude, that club he came from and indeed his peers were taught to believe and succeed – they had and were taught a winning mentality. A bit like Leicester this season to be fair

We just don't have that mentality at the club hence the recent Derby result, the players went out knowing we would lose, that I am sure, they were obviously disappointed with the 4-0 but they would have been quite satisfied with a 1-0 or 2-1 defeat, trying to come out with a respectable defeat

What did and what do we display? Fear, non belief, inferiority complex, defeatist mentality – the list sadly goes on

A must read for every football fan.

Can't see any pride from our shower of shite, getting anything against the new Champions on Saturday.

Depressing.

Overall, I would reckon that we have got another matchday centre half. COYB!

And to all the Keane worshippers on here, just glance at his managerial record to see how well his self-centred bullying style works in today's game.

We'll win at Leicester – they've been on the town all week. You'd think they were Champions!

It is a disgrace. Like the fuck-up in Kiev and the semi collapse at Man City. Jags is a wholehearted lad and seems a genuine nice guy, and he probably has no choice but to do his media duties.

All the shite that they have come out with this season is a complete joke. "How the next 3 games will define, etc, etc, character, young players, three years".

Come and give a little talk after we get into the top 4, and tonk Liverpool 3-0, then I will be dying to listen.

We've all been talking about Moshiri recently, hoping he's going to the club's saviour and herald in a new era at the club, but...

In the case of Abramovich at Chelsea, the arabs at Man City and the owners across the park and a number of other clubs, they are just what it says on the box, OWNERS with the power to make big decisions and direct the actions of their club as a whole. As we are constantly being reminded AFTER Moshiri bought into the club is that he is an INVESTOR and is not the OWNER of Everton FC.

So, while his large but currently not decisive share holding certainly makes him a man of influence within the club, he actually lacks the real power to make massive decisions as by his own admission he is happy to leave footballing matters in the hands of Kenwright.

Surely, if he had the power we all hoped he had he would have instigated a managerial change after the debacle if our humiliation by the RS followed by the semi final defeat. In short, I don't think Mr Moshiri is exactly what we at first thought. Investors invest in exchange for a financial return, owners take charge and make things happen. If anyone can tell us what Moshiri has made happen so far, I'd be interested to hear it.

Expectation. As in nothing but the best is good enough? That went years ago. Maybe 100% has been downsized by the club to 50% too.

John (#42) – I'd take issue on one particular point you make, that being that the players were "obviously disappointed" to lose 4-0 at Anfield. After the way most of them performed I'd think they were relieved to have got away with that scoreline!

Brian (#49) – to those of us who know a little about private companies and their share structures I can assure you that a 49.9% holding, particularly in a Company such as Everton, constitutes de facto ownership and thus the power to make all decisions. As to your claim that Moshiri "by his own admission is happy to leave all footballing matters in the hands to Kenwright", I assume you obtained this nugget in a private conversation with FM (or from one of Phil W's "sources"!) as to my knowledge he's never publicly said any such thing. Let's not dress up our personal thoughts/opinions as facts, eh lads!

Imagine if this team were on performance-related pay? You would soon see the difference.