Sunderland 3 - 0 Everton
Joel Robles had a night to forget as his goal was breached another three times.
Everton offered up another shameful away performance, going down meekly to Sunderland who easily picked up the three points they needed to safeguard their membership of the Premier League and send Newcastle and Norwich down to the Championship.
The Blues fell behind 2-0 by the half-time interval to goals by Patrick van Aanholt and Lamine Kone and then conceded another when Joel Robles could only parry to the feet of the Ivorian defender and he converted from close range.
Coming in the wake of Saturday's abject capitulation at the King Power Stadium to newly-crowned Champions, Leicester and the even more embarrassing surrender at Anfield in the Merseyside derby last month, the outcome of this game came as little surprise to those Evertonians, far fewer in number than the usual committed throng, who made the journey to the northeast this evening.
Seven goals conceded in those two prior away fixtures became 10 as the Black Cats capitalized on Everton's inability to convert superior possession into chances and their notorious weakness at set pieces.
All three goals came as the result of dead-ball situations. The first and third were incidents that Robles will want to forget but none of the defenders covered themselves in glory and were it not for a couple of other important stops by the Spanish goalkeeper, the score might have been higher.
Gareth Barry returned to the starting XI after injury and Ramiro Funes Mori was back from suspension so Matthew Pennington moved to right back. Further forward, Kevin Mirallas came in for Oumar Niasse.
Everton looked the more composed sides in the early going, enjoying plenty of possession but without creating much until a deep cross in the ninth minute was met by Pennington but his looping header dropped wide.
Sunderland began to assert themselves more as the match passed the quarter-hour mar, seeking to capitalise on a period when Leighton Baines was off the pitch tending to strapping on his calf. A tame header by Younis Kaboul was all the Black Cats could muster from a decent spell, however, and Joel Robles comfortably gathered.
It was Kaboul who was the unlikely source of the closest moment of the half thus far when he turned inside Pennington from the home side's left flank and whipped a shot across goal and narrowly past the far post.
At the other end, Tom Cleverley almost had Mirallas away on goal but Vito Mannone was out of his area to clear quickly before Barkley tried a speculative curler from outside the box but slipped and his shot went well wide.
A fairly lifeless encounter came alive seven minutes before half-time, though, when Funes Mori's foul on the edge of the box gave Van Aanholt an opportunity to line up a direct free kick that he drove through the defensive wall and in past Robles who had badly misjudged the Dutchman's intentions and vacated the centre of the goal.
Robles recovered well a couple of minutes when he turned Jermaine Defoe's good header behind but when Everton failed to clear the resulting corner, Kone smashed home from close range as the ball was nodded back into the danger zone to double the lead.
Martinez replaced Barkley with Lennon at the start of the second half and an early free kick ended with Pennington, again the only player in Blue apart perhaps from the willing Mirallas to emerge with much credit, heading towards the top corner but Mannone made a two-handed catch.
At the other end, Jan Kirchoff glanced a header wide from a corner as Sunderland continued to press.
Sunderland increased their lead 10 minutes into the second half, however. Defoe was put clean through by a through-ball as the visitors' defence opened up again but while he lifted the ball over Robles, Pennington raced back with Stones to clear the ball off the line for a corner.
Khazri swung a wicked in-swinging dead-ball delivery in that Robles parried awkwardly off the goal line but the ball dropped to Kone off a defender's leg and he slammed it into the net.
Everton were carved open once more almost immediately but Khazri couldn't pick Defoe out in the centre for what would surely have been a fourth. Shortly afterwards, Deandre Yedlin slid an unchallenged ball across the Everton box but couldn't find a red and white jersey.
After Robles had made a good save to deny Defoe, Mannone was called into real action for the first time when he parried a Funes Mori header to safety midway through the second half.
Barry then forced another stop from the 'keeper with a decent header off a corner but it was steered too close to Mannone to really trouble him.
The final stages were a bit of a non-event as the Black Cats wound down the game. Mirallas clipped the woodwork with one shot and Lukaku sliced another shot onto the crossbar from a similar situation as Kone's second goal but the ball wouldn't go in for Martinez's sorry outfit.
Another miserable evening for Everton, then, and perhaps the last match that Martinez oversees because it's hard to see how his tenure can possible last until Sunday's final game against Norwich. Fed-up Everton fans are sure to make their feelings about the manager known at what is supposed to be an upbeat occasion to see out the season.
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2 Posted 11/05/2016 at 18:58:57
3 Posted 11/05/2016 at 18:59:43
4 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:03:46
That hasn't been the case. The only reason any young player got near the team in recent weeks is because it was forced on him by injuries.
He'll turn to seasoned pros before risking youngsters in the precarious position he has created for himself.
5 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:04:23
Look at this team sheet. Madness.
I like the Mackems, but they won't get it any easier than tonight.
6 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:14:04
I echo the call for youth on the bench, although we owe it to the league to put out a strong 11 today.
7 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:19:17
Kevin will have been given orders to play at left back. Let's see what Ross actually does.
8 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:20:00
I look forward to watching Pennington play right back. Watching him, I see him as a full back in the short term, developing into a centre half as he gains more experience and more strength. He won't play Stones right back and keep a kid in central defence surely.
9 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:22:28
RM is fighting for his job tonight. So is Sam Allardyce. I know wh I'd put my money on.
10 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:25:55
I agree re the cover Lennon gives the full back, he works like a trojan. I think he has been a shining light for us this season. Saying that, his crossing in the last few games hasn't been to his usual high standard.
Lukaku is going through the motions. For him to have any chance we need to get the right cross in.
11 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:33:36
I despair, please sack this man asap.
14 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:41:24
15 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:59:40
17 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:18:32
18 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:21:17
19 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:26:23
20 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:29:09
I thought we'd doing a lot worse.
22 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:30:18
Sack the cunt at half-time FFS!!!!
24 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:33:17
As an addendum to the players: have some professional pride. 10 minutes at the start of the game doesn't count.
Utterly depressing. At least Newcastle are going down.
25 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:34:29
He's on his way out and the players know it.
What's taking the Board so long!?
26 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:34:30
Another two goals from set-pieces.
27 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:35:15
28 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:35:19
29 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:35:20
The reason Ross delivers so little is down to Martinez
30 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:39:13
31 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:40:29
The more I see Ross Barkley trotting around the pitch at a snails pace and doing his best Yaya Toure impression from last week against Real Madrid, the more I want to throw my TV out the window.
Absolutely no drive, penetration, forward movement whatsoever. This is utter dross football of the highest order, we're not even beating them in possession stakes with the absolute garbage we're serving up.
God knows what Robles was playing at.
Major overhaul needed - Get out Martinez.
32 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:40:33
33 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:40:40
34 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:41:28
Why would he media think his job was under threat?
35 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:41:29
Those of us who looked at his record (evidence) aren't. A young, naive, idealist who was found out at Wigan yet somehow convinced BK to employ him and hoodwinked many Everton fans at the time.
Let's hope the club and certain fans don't make the same mistake again when his replacement is announced.
36 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:42:53
Him and Niasse typify the clown. . . .25m for those two ? to think we had people shouting about what good buys they were.
I`d send Mori up top, he looks better in the opposition box than he does in ours
37 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:04
38 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:08
39 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:12
40 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:54
Carragher: "John Stones gets stick for the mistakes on the ball. His problem is he doesn't see danger early enough."
Would have been better if it came from someone else but absolutely spot on.
41 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:55
42 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:44:19
43 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:44:31
It is very strange and alarming that he has not been sacked already.
This ship is sinking very fast....
44 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:45:50
I believe that, if we had beaten Leicester and got anything from the last few games, our board will not get rid of RM. We must lose tonight and against Norwich for the board to feel they can justifiably sack him.
It is a sad state of affairs when you want your team to lose but I am there. He needs binning. Nice man, wrong club. He's not up to the job.
45 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:46:37
46 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:47:24
47 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:47:52
48 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:47:53
As for Martinez, I really don't want to see him sacked but we are in a tailspin and his dismissal seems inevitable. The team hasn't looked fit for two years and struggle to maintain any consistency over 90 minutes.
49 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:48:09
50 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:48:33
McCarthy is not much better, a midfielder in the left back position playing everyone onside for the second.
Barkley is delaying playing the ball & is being caught in possession.
Why do we not man mark in the box?
Bob has'nt a clue. There is no man management. Change tactics, we hav'nt got any tactics.
Play the under 21's at home to Norwich with Unsworth in charge.
51 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:49:23
52 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:50:16
Answers on a postcard.
53 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:50:23
54 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:50:40
55 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:52:04
But, for my opinion, a manager controlling a club with our resources should build a championship challenging side in 3 years.
Martinez has had his chance.
I'm not surprised by this score line, the players know he's gone and it shows.
All Martinez bullshit excuses now are only to fight for a better severance pay. I just don't know what's taking it so long.
56 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:52:33
57 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:52:38
To me, R/M lost his way and the pressure has just been to much for him. The way this "I'm the biggest Blue on the Planet" Chairman has let the poor bugger implode, is bloody shameful.
R/M has suffered, the players have suffered and we have suffered having had to watch it unfold. Mr Moshiri, if you want this club to become a top club again, you have to take over from the Ego Man
58 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:53:44
59 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:54:17
60 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:54:25
Can only see a relegation fight for us next season as most of this squad will still be here bar a handful and they are simply not good enough to make any impact at this level.
61 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:55:28
62 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:58:33
63 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:58:33
64 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:59:36
3 players standing there gormless watching Sunderland centre halves muller us.
65 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:59:47
66 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:00
67 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:05
68 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:08
This is as low as I have seen Everton in terms of effort, it was never this bad under Moyes.
Shameful shameful shameful time to be an Evertonian
69 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:24
4 of them standing around.
Could be 4 or 5 at this rate.
70 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:47
71 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:01:00
His latest excuse will be more exciting.
72 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:01:26
Don't forget the club awards tomorrow night folks!
73 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:02:01
74 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:02:04
75 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:02:10
Lukaku hasn't been in their 6 yard box all night.
77 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:03:04
Surely this "what a manager" has to be sacked immediately.
78 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:03:19
79 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:03:40
I feel so low watching this. We are shocking.
Martinez out and take Jones, Lawrence and Ferguson with him please.
80 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:03:54
81 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:05:19
82 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:06:37
83 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:06:59
To be fair that was pretty daft!!
4 - 0 was my shout.
84 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:07:39
85 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:08:17
Hope we have seen the last of Lukaku, Barkley, Stones etc etc etc after tonight.
86 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:08:19
Turned us into a laughing stock has King Louie Kenwright and the phenomenal one.
Roll on Sunday. Then sack him.
87 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:08:56
John (#73) you're right Moyes would never have tolerated such inept displays. Let's hope BK comes to his senses or we will be next season's Villa and Barcodes rolled into one.
Let's pray something is going on behind the scenes!!!
88 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:09:27
89 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:09:28
The mind boggles.
90 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:10:38
Massive massive changes needed from top to bottom at this club because for two season's it's merely sleepwalking into oblivion.
91 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:10:59
OMG we are so shit!
92 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:11:27
In 45 years of watching Everton this is as poor as I remember for effort .
Pennington has had our best two attempts which says it all really.
I would love to know whats happened to Barkley, the lad looks fat,bloated and cannot run . It I s as if his legs are stuck together or his boot laces are tied together.
Cleverley/Mc Carthy are non existent week in week out, only Barry performs in the midfield.
The whole thing is shambolic, each week I iask can it get any worse. well at least they don't disappoint on that one.
94 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:12:48
That's not to say I want Moyes back BTW.
95 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:13:07
96 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:13:49
He does not deserve to walk away with an iota of respect. He has been hugely paid and has stolen his money. He is devoid of integrity.
97 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:13:55
98 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:14:00
99 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:14:41
100 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:15:17
102 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:15:47
103 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:15:56
He doesn't have any kids on the bench, just the usual bunch we have seen all season.
104 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:15:58
What a manager...
105 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:17:56
106 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:18:29
107 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:20:27
Moyes wouldn't have let it get to this.
The board will let Martinez see the season out, don't know why but that's the way we do things.
I've maintained my one man protest since the Southampton game and won't be there against Norwich!
That will be 3 home games I've missed this season, 2 because I refuse to attend and 1 for a wedding!!!
108 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:20:55
109 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:20:55
110 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:21:07
â€“RM was quietly told some weeks ago that the game was up.
â€“The club will let him stay on until the end of the season to save face.
â€“But he must compromise hugely on pay-off.
Win-win all round given the season was a shambles some time ago?
It buys the new owner time to get the right candidate.
It allows RM some barely deserved dignity.
111 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:22:33
112 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:22:40
There's been all sorts thrown at these players and manager by fans and media, rightly so, and yet there's been no reaction to the negative criticism, no pride in performance, no aggression to prove people wrong, no work ethic to try and get out of the mess the team is in.
There is a serious attitude and character problem in them players now. The next manager has one hell of a job on his hands.
Thanks Roberto. Thanks a lot!
113 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:24:18
114 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:25:06
115 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:25:41
116 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:26:41
117 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:26:57
what the fk for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
118 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:27:10
119 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:27:16
120 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:27:30
121 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:28:14
122 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:28:55
This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.
123 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:29:18
Are you psychic, Osman on?
Don't blame Ossie, loyal servant, but with 5 mins to go????
124 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:29:53
Osman is on to break up the play on the edge of our area, link the midfield with Lukaku, and score a hatrick to save the game.
125 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:30:05
126 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:30:47
I hate to be beaten at anything, always a good loser but hate it, but I for the first time as a life long Everton fan am happy they have lost tonight as it must mean the end of this clown.
He should not be in Goodison Park, imagine the reception given to him and BOARD. The board need to get a lot of shit too.
127 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:31:32
128 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:32:28
129 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:32:37
Anything else is unthinkable?
130 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:33:28
We are going to be relegated next season if this does not change.
131 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:33:36
132 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:34:17
Home defeat against relegated Norwich!!!
133 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:34:43
134 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:35:52
135 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:36:30
136 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:36:39
This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.
No argument from me.
I'm just scratching my head as to why the clown hasn't been sacked some time ago (i.e. last season).
137 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:36:40
138 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:36:42
139 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:38:13
Well done to Sunderland. I'm looking forward to hearing the crying geordies on Talkshite.
140 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:38:59
He must've been a drugs mule! Only the knowledge that he was stuffed full of cocaine with a street value in excess of £200m would make that transfer make any sense!
141 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:39:53
142 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:44:56
In my view, Martinez was the worst appointment in our history. Appointed by the worst custodian of our club in our history. Kenwright should sack Martinez and it will be one less fraudster at the club. Of course, if he was to go as well , then the stench would lessen quite a bit.
143 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:44:59
144 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:45:40
145 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:45:51
This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.
Succint. Bravo sir
146 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:46:02
Unless they are transformed by better coaching and conditioning, it seems we are going to have a relegation scrap next year - and we haven't any scrappers.
148 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:46:56
149 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:48:56
150 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:49:45
Many of the players out there today deserve no credit at all. It was a lethargic, lazy, listless, lousy performance the likes of which I hope to never see again. In their similar looking kits one could have mistaken Sunderland for Athletico. That's how bad we were. We made Sunderland - 17th in the league - look like Simeones La Liga title chasers.
Truly truly dreadful. Once again we await comment from the club. I feel though that the rubicon has been crossed here. Martinez position is not only totally untenable, but he's making the boards increasingly difficult as well. Fingers crossed, announcement soon.
151 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:49:48
"And now the end is near"
152 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:50:14
153 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:07
Oh I know a fraud when I see one.
154 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:15
155 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:27
I take on board what you said Andy about the cost of sacking him maybe after the Liverpool Game but we might well have made most of any cost back, by getting to the final and getting a few places higher.
I don't see how there can be a lap of "appreciation" (what a daft ritual) on Sunday, it will just be a total embarrassment.
156 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:51
157 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:55
The negatives everything else. It was an awful performance again, I know 94% of us agree Martinez should be gone but the last two matches our players attitude has been atrocious.
Yes they might not like the manager and there isn't anything for us to play for but we the fans deserve better from them. A number of these players need a massive kick up the arse or shipping out by the new manager or the current malaise will continue.
Please do the honourable thing and don't let Martinez be on the touchline on Sunday as things could get ugly and embarrassing if he is.
158 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:52:56
160 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:53:35
161 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:53:39
162 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:53:50
Waiting for our manager's excuses.
Please tell me he's gone.
(Mike No. 110) I think your probably right.
163 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:54:03
164 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:55:01
I'd love to bump into him right now
165 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:55:47
166 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:56:11
"Martinez assures Sunderland's rivals over crucial game"
Yeah. We could have assured them too. I apologise to Newcastle and Norwich (though I may sneak a grin at Rafa/Ashley going down in a less solemn moment)
167 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:56:15
GET ME A MANAGER AND PLAYERS THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THEY CARE AND ARE WILLING TO SHOW SOME PRIDE FOR THIS CLUB..
168 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:56:33
169 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:56:43
170 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:57:40
171 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:57:58
172 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:58:11
The real problem at our club is a total lack of leadership at the top and until Kenwright goes the future will continue to look very bleak.
173 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:58:53
If this does not happen I will watch the game on Sunday in my pants.
174 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:59:09
175 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:59:31
In 11 years under Moyes, just once.
We had not gone under 50 points in the season for 10 consecutive seasons until RM's second season.
Roberto Martinez will achieve 2 consecutive sub-50 seasons, whatever the result against Norwich on Sunday.
176 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:00:15
What did Einstein say about people who do the same fucking things and expect different results? Same thing that applies to us for putting up with this shite. Angry beyond words!
Tell the whole first team to go on holiday now. Tell the 'superstars' to get whatever it is they want to do out of the way early. Play the meaningless last game (thank fook!) with the kids and let's give a new Everton a new welcome.
177 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:00:57
178 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:00:59
179 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:18
180 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:21
No more please, he must go tonight!
Surely even the 6 percent agree now.
181 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:24
In the second half, Barkely should have been subbed and Cleverley moved into midfield - the wrong player substituted.
182 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:47
183 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:56
184 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:03:31
185 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:03:45
Although Martinez isn't nowhere near good enough to manage our club. The players need to take a long hard look at themselves. They were embarrassing tonight.
Let's hope we have the funds to give the new manager as he has major surgery to perform.
186 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:04:17
187 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:04:41
188 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:04:56
190 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:05:00
Whatever, that's in the past and many, many supporters are so bitterly disillusioned now with the club, that something drastic has to happen now. Even if we don't get to here of it for a time, something, fundamental needs to happen.
Some believe Mr Moshiri is just a patsy that Kenwright has kidded into funding his dreams of glory (for him, like) I'm not so sure. We need a thorough sweeping out of Kenwright and his cronies before any progress at all can take place at Everton Football Club.
191 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:06:19
192 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:06:39
193 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:07:52
W14 D5 L0
Since RM took over
W2 D1 L4
194 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:08:07
195 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:09:02
Martinez has none of these qualities, when you look at Raniery he has the quality, would like Mancini I think he could do it for us.
196 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:09:06
A new start should happen from tomorrow. Let the fans attend Sunday knowing a new start is coming. A new dawn must come.
197 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:09:27
You can't get blood from a stone.
Anemia sums us up. The blood has been drained out of all of us.
Transfusion required, otherwise!!!
198 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:10:13
199 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:10:37
200 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:13:00
Let's get tough! The time for talking is over. Call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit (the board) hard and hit it fast with a major -- and I mean major -- leaflet campaign, and while it's reeling from that, we'd follow up with a whist drive, a car boot sale, some street theatre and possibly even some benefit concerts. OK? Now, if that's not enough, I'm sorry, it's time for the T-shirts: "Martinez Out" ... "Inept Managers! No Thanks" ...
and if that's not enough, well, I don't know what will be."
Sorry if you don't know the TV clip - but I need something to make me smile - until the clown does depart!
201 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:13:34
202 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:13:56
203 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:14:17
He must be writing his resignation speech ,,,,,, surely ?
204 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:14:17
205 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:14:22
Even now, at the end, he still lacks the ruthlessness to bollock the players.
206 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:14:51
207 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:16:17
It clearly is.
What a fucking mess!
208 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:16:20
Tell me you are winding me up ?
Did he say he was pleased ? Is this a wind up ?
209 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:16:22
210 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:17:03
214 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:17:35
215 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:17:58
216 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:19:03
What about us all leaving our seats in the 78th minute?
Norwich won't be put at risk, so we'll not be in any danger of altering who's going down.
217 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:19:12
218 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:19:18
219 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:20:25
It's time to say GOODBYE to Kenwright, Elstone, and Martinez + his backroom staff.
220 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:22:51
221 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:22:55
Just please get rid of Kenwright and Martinez from my ( our club)
Not enough space on forums like this to catalogue EFC'S failings the last two years.
I can't honestly think of one player on show tonight that would be worthy of a regular place.
Lukaku, absolute joke since the Chelsea quarter final, would be astounded if any champions league club would look at the lazy bastard twice.
Ditto Barrkley, just who the fuck does he think he is? Oh yeah I remember, a "youngster in a phenomenal moment".
Embarrasing doesn't even come close.
Come on Moshiri, do something
222 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:23:15
223 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:23:33
225 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:24:06
226 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:24:30
It has continued to go downhill since.
I totally gave up before the Bournemouth game and given the choice of the game or a prolonged holiday took the later.
Still abroad and will remain so until the seasons finished so I cannot go the match even if I wanted too.
It's like a protest with fringe benefits !
Disgusted and embarrassed to be a Blue
227 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:25:02
228 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:25:10
all up really. Trying to think positively for next season at least we know
a new goalkeeper is essential.
229 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:25:27
Crazy just crazy.
He looks like a jaded and beaten man, time to go Roberto. I don't expect him to be in the job by the morning.
230 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:26:42
231 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:26:50
This has to stop now, Everton are becoming a laughing stock. Get him out now!!
232 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:26:53
233 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:27:20
234 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:27:20
235 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:27:58
237 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:29:16
Same old shit, for once I was glad to be watching on a dodgy stream on the PC and not there, but fair play to those Everton fans that went. Normally when I can't go I am kicking every ball and shouting at the computer, tonight I just couldn't be arsed.... I just sat there thinking this could end up five or six, I am glad I have been at work and never bothered swapping a shift so I could go... That's what he has done, going to the match is now a chore.
He should be sacked tonight and be made to make his own way back from the North East, even the fact that we relegated Benethus and the Geordies doesn't make it any more palatable.
238 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:30:44
A new manager and whole new backroom team.
Centre Back x2
Better get that cheque book out Farhad, shit just got messy.
239 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:30:54
Well done, Bill, carry on.
240 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:31:07
"Jermain Defoe breaks through the Everton defence - a pony carrying a cart would have the pace to do that tonight."
Oh, joy ...
241 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:31:36
Jesus, Rafa had a pop at us nearly a decade ago and people are still cry-arsing about it. Get over it.
We slag them off all the time. Let's not be hypocrites.
243 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:32:37
244 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:33:11
245 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:33:51
The glimmer of hope is the potential stellar signings which is the only positive I'm clinging onto. Also, It wouldn't be the likes of De Boar and Pellegrini putting themselves in the frame for the soon to be vacant job. We'd be competing with Villa, and Newcastle (once Rafa goes to Valencia) for Nigel Pearson and David Moyes. It would be like jumping into Michael J Fox's Delorean DMC and going back to 2002 after Walter Smith was sacked.
In Moshiri we trust....
246 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:33:54
247 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:34:11
248 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:34:31
As for that shambles tonight, did anyone expect anything else? Torn to bits at times by a side who have been in the bottom 3 all season. There's not one player in that side Id keep. The lot of them are shite, every last one of them. If he is to get sacked – and knowing the cabbage patch doll its a big if – a new gaffer has got one massive job on his hands.
If Kenwright had any balls hed let him go tomorrow and save him and his family the indignity of having to face a very nasty irate bunch on Sunday. But we all know Kenwright hasn't got any balls and I doubt this Moshiri is all he's cracked up to be as well. They don't give a fuck about us. Getting sacked, my arse.
249 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:34:53
250 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:35:01
It is fairly obvious that on here at least, the consensus is there is something fundamentally flawed in the club.
Liverpool fans walked out because of proposed increase in prices.
I think Everton fans are very much concerned that there is a lot more than the cost of tickets at issue for Everton Football Club.
I think I will walk down to the concourse at the 78th minute. I don't want to boo R/M if he's strill in a job and I don't want to boo the players. I'd boo Kenwright mind, as I think he's damaged this club more than anyone in the last decade and a half.
252 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:35:25
Just seen the goals on BBC...38 years an Evertonian. Brought up on tales of Dean, Vernon, Young, Labour, the trinity ..before seeing the team of the 80's. Someone please but back the lights on at Goodisoj when we have a new manager. This hurts.
253 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:35:46
254 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:36:01
255 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:36:59
Bobby has to go before Sunday
No doubt the Echo wankers will stay on the fence as they have done the past 2 seasons then when he finally goes take the credit for him leaving
For a local rag the Echo and the pricks who apparently support Everton are a fucking disgrace
256 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:38:12
I agree totally. It's mind games and Rafa was pretty good at it. I would have him at Goodison Park tomorrow.
257 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:38:17
258 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:38:40
Well if we don't let this useless bastard of a board know that we as a club our not taking this shite anymore. We to will join the Barcodes and the Villa.
Will be interesting to see what's going to happen on Sunday. Martinez you are deluded, take your coaching clowns with you and do one.
259 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:39:27
Most of those players are greatly overated and I wouldnt guarantee any of them a place in the team. None of them deserve any awards which makes the players evening tomorrow a disgrace.
Fans should leave the match 5 mins from the end on Sunday and leave the ground empty for the so called lap of honour
260 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:39:52
Is it hell the worst team in history!
A number of 90's players would make that team.
It's been managed by one of the worst managers in history.
261 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:40:11
“You must understand, young Hobbit, it takes a long time to say anything in Old Entish. And we never say anything unless it is worth taking a long time to say.â€
262 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:41:23
Never understood why the Echo's view is seen as so important. It's a local rag, that's all.
264 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:41:53
I've seen a good team reduced to a bunch of absolute plonkers who find it hide to string a few passes together and move forward about as fast as an arthritic slug.
But what is to happen? In the least RM HAS TO GO!! There is no alternative! He has lost both the fans and probably the team. He disappeared down the tunnel tonight like a rat up a drain-plpe.
There are alternatives out there. Everyone is talking about them. But the most frightening thought I had tonight was that too many of our players were nowhere near good enough!!
Fucking hell!! What has this muppet done to my team! I'm really afraid for next season unless some significant changes are installed.
The next man really needs to know what our motto means. NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMO. NOTHING BUT THE FUCKING BEST IS GOOD ENOUGH!!!
267 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:42:12
268 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:43:03
269 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:43:06
270 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:43:58
271 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:44:10
272 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:45:08
273 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:45:36
Quinn said that Kone kept Lukaku quiet and Carragher says "Lukaku kept himself quiet, Jesus Christ".
I have to say, I think Carragher is excellent.
Oh yeah.............sack Martinez.
274 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:46:12
275 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:46:22
Martinez couldn't find a win if it was three inches wide and inserted a foot up his own rectum.
276 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:47:55
278 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:49:52
279 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:50:15
280 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:50:41
De Boer in particular would be a total gamble.
281 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:50:57
282 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:51:01
283 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:51:11
That said, I think the sudden push for a 'demo' smacks of being over the top - he will surely be gone as soon as it is contactually advantageous, i.e. if a break clause kicks in at the end of the season.
Call me an optimist but I feel the the squad has talent and youth. With the right manager, I think we will see the current lack of chemistry and defensive coaching quickly resolved. And if that manager is an inspirational name, known for winning - heck, the feared exodus might not be as bad as we fear (with the exception of Stones and Rom', though I'd argue that at the right price, they're replaceable). Add a few good players with Moshiri's loot and, hey-presto, we're off again.
Let's keep our heads, continue to be a positive advert for our great Club that our future manager will be impressed by, and then see where we are in the week after Norwich. If Martinez is here as we approach the transfer window, then fair enough, it will be time to kick off. But I somehow don't think he will be.
284 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:51:11
287 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:54:14
The thing is the fucking Echo is quick enough when it has anything to do across the Park but when it's us ......well let's just see how it pans out eh ?
When the Blue Union was advocating change, which now many allude too regarding Kenwright, they weren't interested.
Kenwright is the ultimate reason we are the embarrassment we are.
Had these shitholes at the Echo even given some sort of exposure to the concerns of the BU maybe, possibly, we mat not be in this situation.
The Echo is what it is, a local rag owned by a multi national that doesn't give two shits about the locals.
What really pisses me off though is that it's Everton correspondents also couldn't give a shit about its locals
By the way if I were a Norwich or Newcastle fan tonight I would be looking at taking our wasters to court on the trade descriptions act !
288 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:54:52
Here's the plan:
1. Sack Martinez
2. Everything else goes on an upwards trajectory from there
289 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:55:27
290 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:55:45
292 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:57:10
293 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:57:30
Take you point about the Echo. Think now we have Mosh though we can rise above the Echo's lack of interest and BK will be out to pasture.
294 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:57:39
295 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:57:44
Kenwright is the chairman, he has actually praised the manager and just let him carry on regardless, when all this is sorted out a lot of explaining needs to be done about what has gone on the last couple of months and why the whole situation was allowed, it is really beyond belief that it could happen at such a big business.
296 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:58:22
297 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:58:47
Post match interview on bbc... Can he actually be for real?
298 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:59:25
299 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:59:45
Kenwright makes me sick. He'd be gushing all over the place if we were doing well. Now he's vanished. The bloke is a complete wanker.
300 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:00:36
301 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:01:24
Sack Martinez and we have a full ground on Sunday, keep him and the stadium could be empty.
302 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:02:24
303 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:02:52
It's frightening but possible.
304 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:03:14
305 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:05:38
This guy knows how the game works,
306 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:05:44
307 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:05:52
He needs sacking to save even more embarrassment, it is just too awful to watch him. I knew we'd lose, I said on another thread 3-1, it was obvious, with our right back problems and total lack of fight that we wouldn't be able to cope with a team in good form fighting for survival.
A few signs of fight in the last 30 mins, but far too late.
This should be the end.
308 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:06:00
309 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:07:47
310 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:07:56
311 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:09:03
312 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:09:28
313 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:10:00
314 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:10:08
But lets hope in the future, in your case Bobby, you learn, its a team game at every level. Not my way or no way.
Good luck Bobby Boy.
315 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:11:09
316 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:11:16
So where did Benitez repeat it a few years ago. Post me the link...if you can.
I find it pathetic that some still go on about comment from 9 fucking years ago considering some of the stuff we all say about LFC. Hypocritical. What goes around etc etc.
No ambition. Decades without a trophy. Stadium falling to bits. Flogging quality players. A totally useless board and many fans who accept all this....maybe he had a point....???
317 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:15:38
Our board are cowards. Sack him, put Unsy in charge for the last game and play the kids, give us something to cling to over summer. It's so bad, I've so little interest, I'm even contemplating getting into cricket.
319 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:19:48
I find it baffling that some of the fans on here, want Benitez to be our next manager. I'm more than happy to see him in the Championship.
Koeman (1), De Boer (2).
320 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:20:13
So please stop it with Benitez calling us small and hope he would even consider us. Personally I don't think we will get any of the big names bandied about here and thats if RM does go.
321 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:21:32
322 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:22:02
Unfortunately the 1st season was the honeymoon period and once he fully integrated his rigid philosophy he was found out. He just isn't the tactical genius many of us thought he was. He should have been let go after 'the defining week'. For BK to keep this charade going for any longer is just embarrassing for all parties.
323 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:26:09
324 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:26:34
I know it might sound petty but the guy is a rs through and through and I, personally, don't want him at our club.
325 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:27:32
326 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:28:05
Whoa, that winnin' feelin'
You lost that winnin' feelin'
Now your gone, gone, gone, woh
327 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:31:21
So, why the hell would it be good idea to appoint such a bloke as the FSW who is already minted for life, has done everything he's ever gonna do in football, lives a stones' throw from Finch Farm. and would be over the fuckin moon to get a ginormous contract to make even his distant descendants minted for their lives, whilst all the while destroying from within the club he openly derided?
There's no guaranteed path to success but there's very clear paths to disaster and Martinez Mews is a path we've already been forced to tread in that direction. Bullshit Boulevard, Complacency Crescent, and Average Avenue are not paths we should now be seeking out as an alternative.
We need Ruthless, Rational, Relentless Road..........but does any fucker on the board know how to read the signs?
328 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:31:29
I just hope and pray that Mr Moshiri truly understands how hugely significant he is to the future of our club and desperately wants to build a lasting legacy that starts with dragging the mindset of our board into the modern day.
This coming summer is so huge for EFC and unfortunately the responsibility rests entirely on his shoulders as we all know that the other "gentlemen" of the board can only be described as utterly spineless and totally uncaring about the club at all. There is no other conclusion (except possibly that they are only there to line their own pockets) we can arrive at by their lack of design,decision and action these past umpteen years.
Yes, most definitely Mr Kenwright should be lauded for saving us from the hamper king clown all those years ago BUT now is most definitely the time to let go and allow the biggest decisions to be made by another. We know and accept that this utter debacle cannot be solved over a few summer months but please please give us a bit of hope by showing true intent, drive and ambition and bring in a manager who at the very least will strive to shed this horrible "plucky Everton " tab and make us competitive on the park which then will give us all a bit of pride in the badge back. Over to you, Mr Moshiri!!
329 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:33:38
The man has tried his best and isn't up to it. To me he looks crushed and Kenwright shows all the compassion of a friggin mate of his who's just buggered off out the club. Martinez will only get what any one of us would expect, and that's what's in his contract.
Christy, I don't think Kenwright has any decency if it affects him whatsoever.
331 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:34:13
we all think the same.
However ripping Barkley is not fair. Martinez has played that kid like Jeffrey Dahmer picking a victim. juice him up, mislead and fucked him. without the murder, apart from his career.
Please let this sociopath be gone.
332 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:34:17
333 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:34:37
On another topic of the ToffeeWeb poll: I'm using a Samsung Galaxy on this site and my fat fingers accidentally hit "No" instead of "Yes". Luckily I noticed before I clicked to vote, but I can only conclude that the 1200 or so that want him to remain also are just fellow sufferers of pickle fingers.
334 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:35:29
335 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:36:05
336 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:37:34
337 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:37:47
338 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:38:07
08 May 2016
On behalf of Colin....
I don't know about pathetic since we are rival fans and it's kind of our job to to hurl shite at rivals whereas managers are in a privileged position and are not supposed to cross the line (thats just how it is) but find this apparent obsession with Benitez (I won't call him Rafa like he's my mate) just a bit bizarre.
Yes he's a better manager than Martinez but then I reckon I am along with Julian Clary and Barbara Cartland who is, err, still dead.
Also, you won't find mention of Benitez and Everton in the same sentence without 'small club' being in there too.
Plus he still loves them!
Can you imagine the questions around where his loyalties lie when we lose to them? Sorry just doesn't work for me. There are many equally or better candidates without the baggage Benitez brings.
339 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:38:41
I know everyone is desperate for some hope but we are still only in May and this time we can't mess it up.
340 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:40:11
Those players should hold their heads in shame, for those Evertonians who travelled to the match to watch that shower of shite, no pride, effort, just a stroll around the pitch, not fit to wear the Royal Blue jersey.
341 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:41:20
343 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:44:42
I would dearly love you to communicate something to show the feeling of the fans on ToffeeWeb. Look at the recent polls you have done - 90% and more of almost 20,000 votes want the manager out. We can't all be wrong! Can you call for action from the club? We need action. We need someone to pick the baton up and run with this. Someone has to be brave enough to do something. It has to be abundantly clear to the board what the next step is. Already, this has gone on way too far.
344 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:47:28
It would be like tearing up a winning lottery ticket.
No its torment , the board should state he will go at the end of the season. Then we can all clap him on Sunday for the possibility of rescuing next season.
345 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:49:58
346 Posted 11/05/2016 at 00:00:38
If it's rumoured that we save a million by waiting until June then they should come to an agreement and if he wants to take charge of the team on Sunday he can but I think he's going to be abused if still in his post on Sunday or ridiculed if he walks us out having it announced its his last game. By the same token if he wants to hang in there for that million waiting for the push in May that's his prerogative - given he's probably already been paid over £7m already and will get more anyway. The money I'm talking about is the June money (if true).
As for lottery tickets, he came to us a rich man and has pocketed the equivalent of a few rollovers already so you won't find him in the bread line just yet.
347 Posted 11/05/2016 at 00:01:13
348 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:07:37
349 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:09:51
Please justify your backing when 94% want him gone. Unless it is RS fans infiltrating the website please state your case why you think HE should stay?
Kenwright please do the honoriable thing and sack him and walk out too. You have destroyed this club!
350 Posted 11/05/2016 at 00:10:53
I think there is a certain amount of damage already done that we have to take onboard going into next season, and we may possibly be looking at a season where we are fighting a relegation battle.
What ambitious, in demand, success driven manager is likely to look at a team facing an exodus of its best players who finished in the lower half (or possibly quarter) of the premier league, as a good career move?
I think the only managers that will be interested will be the ones looking at Moshiri's money and thinking they can steady a sinking ship for a large financial return.
I doubt the likes of Koeman, Bilic or Simeone would be interested in coming to Everton which is why we are hearing the likes of Benitez being mentioned.
351 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:12:10
352 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:13:12
If fans want to make a statement, don't go in at all. Barring that, stay outside chanting, holding banners, etc. and then go in on 44 minutes, which is the number of points Everton has (or some other meaningful number such as number of years BK has been in charge or number of years without winning a title or perhaps a trophy, etc). Once in, by all means continue whatever chants about Martinez and Kenwright out you want.
I find it ridiculous that the "harshest" form of protest offered up is to not stay to clap the players off for the season when the main fault is really the Board, BK, and RM.
Seriously, if that is the best we can do, then save it, because BK and the Board will appreciate fans not sticking around as they can close up earlier and save wages for the cleaning crews. Then BK can turn to Moshiri and say "See, I told you it isn't Bobby, it is the players the fans are upset with" or some other such nonsense and the visible evidence will support BK as will the ticket sales next season.
353 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:20:23
Says it all really.
354 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:20:42
HES NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO REVERSE THIS ROT.
On Barkley tonight. I sort of accept a player being shot to bits for confidence but it won't excuse strolling around being lazy and letting players breeze past him.
THAT PERFORMANCE WAS UNACCEPTABLE.
355 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:21:08
356 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:22:02
357 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:22:53
"We tried to get the focus after being in the FA Cup semi-final and sometimes it drops the intensity," said Martinez.
358 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:23:41
Another thing... Was anybody surprised by this? Did anybody expect us honestly to get a result?
This board, Kenwrong and Manuel have killed this club.
The sad thing is getting beat used to ruin my day/weekend but now the apathy has kicked in and I just shrug thinking it is another nail in the coffin so we can look for a new manager.
As an aside the players are a disgrace too. I hated United players for downing tools when OFM was in charge and I hated Chelsea players for doing the same for Maureen. It lacked professionalism.
I never thought Everton players would do the same. Sad days. I hope whoever comes in shakes it up massively and shows Lukaku and another. On performers the door asap
359 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:31:06
Watching tonight's game was like slow torture as it became even more obvious that despite Martinez claiming the players are behind him, they really do not want to play for him. If he can't see it that makes him an even worse manager than we already know he is.
Just seen the panel on ESPN basically saying he's turned us into a carbon copy of his Wigan team and they agreed Everton are a big club but having got the jib, Martinez immediately imported four players from his relegated Wigan team.
The Everton job is too big for him and the time has come for BK to acknowledge he made a terrible mistake in hiring him by doing the right thing and firing him before he damages us even more by leading us in a headlong charge towards relegation next season.
He's already ruined my summer as I usually spend the close season eagerly awaiting the new one. Not this time, at least, not as long as Martinez is manager.
With the Norwich game now meaningless for both sides the club should fire him immediately and at least allow a little bit of atmosphere back into Goodison on Sunday as I'm sure there would be as the relief at his leaving would almost create a party atmosphere for the game. If they don't then Sunday is likely to be one horrific experience for Senor Martinez who seems to be hanging on like a bloodsucking leech with no self-respect or dignity in waiting for the inevitable axe to fall.
360 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:33:49
361 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:36:28
362 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:38:26
Which I might add was over 80% Martinez Out.
Just asking like.
Getting boring now T W.
363 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:39:58
364 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:42:54
365 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:46:59
366 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:47:01
368 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:47:58
369 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:51:01
370 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:00:34
Now I'm not Barkley's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but even I'll concede that he wasn't to blame for the 2nd half performance!! Not a lot you can do from the bath!! Did you actually watch the game??
As for mythinez it's time to put the man out of his misery. It's like a slow death. Surely he can't turn up to the "awards" doo then rock up at Goodison on Sunday like everything is fine and dandy!?
371 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:01:25
I've said it on here already on here, I'm not going Sunday my seat will be empty and I won't be going back to Goodison till RM goes.
372 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:16:33
373 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:22:30
A top manager who has a profile in world football and is club less wants to manage us...What is there to discuss?!?
374 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:25:33
Sounds perfect for us. Lol.
375 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:43:26
Just fucking abject.
376 Posted 12/05/2016 at 02:09:02
Only Evertonians could find a negative in this scenario. Are there better options? Maybe. But he is a big name who wants to compete in a bigger league. By all means Mr. De Boer. Throw your hat in the ring. It's very welcome.
377 Posted 12/05/2016 at 02:14:47
When asked about Norwich, the guy asked him "Do you expect to be in charge?". RM gave an awkward smiled and said "That's not a question". Nice awkward moment!!
But it was a question numbnuts, actually you're right. Was probably a statement. Hopefully.
378 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:10:10
Roberto has strengths. He is good at charming old ladies, and dancing. His weakness is in the general area of football management.
John Stones is one of the finest ball playing centre halves you could wish to see. He is also, currently, pretty bog standard when it comes to actually defending.
Phil Jagielka is a great defender, but a great inspiration, motivator and leader of men? Not so much.
James McCarthy is brilliant at chasing people around and making a nuisance of himself, but you need every midfielder to at least be capable of some forward play (even more so when you play 2 DM's), and he offers zero in this regard.
Ross Barkley is one of the most naturally gifted footballers of this generation. Sadly, he is so lacking in vision and footballing intelligence that all his dazzling skills usually go to waste due to terrible decision making. He also seems afraid to put in a tackle.
Tom Cleverley has very nice hair, but he's not great at football.
Romelu Lukaku is potentially one of the most fearsome strikers in world football. Sadly, he often looks like he really couldn't be arsed about playing for Everton.
Let's start with fixing things at the top. Afterall, a manager who isn't very good at being a manager is never going to get the very best out of his team.
Then let the new guy sort out our current bunch of mis-fits.
I still believe there is potential greatness in there somewhere. Can we find the genius who can unleash it?
379 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:17:52
380 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:21:01
381 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:30:04
382 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:38:25
383 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:51:38
Well said , McCarthy is first and foremost, the most useless player on this squad.
Zero vision or offensive intent. I mean zero. In regards to out on the field production, he does so much to prevent us from developing effective attacking ball movement. He is the biggest on-field cancer that is contributing to killing this team's ability to produce.
I absolutely despise him.
387 Posted 12/05/2016 at 05:58:54
Like a soft twat I reckoned he would be gone by the time I woke this morning.
Fuck you Martinez, fuck you Kenwright I have had enough..
389 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:46:45
The irony is what he said was true and the fact certain fans are now saying they don't want him here because of his past words, not his abilities as a manager, proves his point for me.
If we want to appoint a manager based on what he says rather than does, we just make exactly the same mistake as we made with Martinez.
Benetiz won't take any shit from the Board or the players, he's his own man who has backed up his words in the past with results. Steven Gerrard who I hate, but begrudgingly respect, says he was the best manager he played under but he had no close relationship with him even though he was the RS captain. That's how it should be for me between players and the manager, respect but not mates.
390 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:47:54
Hopefully by lunchtime he wont be.
391 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:52:31
These two bastards, Kenwright and Martinez, have made me feel nothing but hatred towards something that, after my family, has been an integral part of my life. I feel like I've had the soul ripped out of me, watching Everton lately.
I know no team has a god-given right to win games but, as long suffering fans have a god-given right to expect nothing more than heart, fight, passion etc something sadly that's been lacking in abundance the past few months.
If Kenwright would have done the honourable thing and sacked him, say 6 to 8 weeks ago, I sincerely believe we would have had a cup final to look forward to. As it is, it's all immaterial and all because of some ponced up luvvie who calls himself the biggest Evertonian of the lot try telling that to the the brave lads and lasses who once again suffered having to pay to watch that last night.
Just for once, Bill, do the right thing... I'm fucking begging you.
392 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:54:20
These fools are the reason why the fella we want to keep will be almost certainly be gone and the clown we are desperate to get rid of, is still here.
393 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:54:24
394 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:10:53
We will follow Villa if we carry on this way.
396 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:15:31
397 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:25:30
398 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:44:47
The shambles of the last two seasons with the unbalanced team full of injured/unfit players playing out of position aren't doing these players any favours, despite their lack of application.
Before Martinez arrived, it was clear we had a large number of players about to move on or past their best. Too many of them are still here. Too many of these replacements have missed the mark. The next manager's job will be to find a way of shipping out these players and replacing them, something that Martinez has been unable to do.
Now that we allegedly have 'money', there is no need to cash in on our young talent, who will be much improved under the next manager.
Whoever we choose is going to be a gamble. For me the choice will tell us everything about how much money and ambition we now have.
399 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:48:52
Too many players at the end of their careers.
A completely deluded and inadequate manager.
A board with no vision or ambition.
The joys of being an Evertonian.
401 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:55:50
402 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:55:50
New kit! Not arsed. I want him gone. We're a laughing stock; total contempt for the fans by BPB. Anger is turning to hate not good.
403 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:58:46
Never seen a bunch of Everton players show such disrespect to the shirt. New manager and a rebuild needed.
404 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:00:53
405 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:07:49
406 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:08:12
407 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:12:04
You can't/shouldn't rely on other teams to keep you up, they got themselves relegated by being piss poor for virtually a whole season.
We got lucky...
408 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:17:02
How can we ridicule the manager, and let the man who refused to relieve him of his duties, when we still had a chance of success, off Scott free?
409 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:18:43
410 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:20:31
411 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:24:35
412 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:26:58
413 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:32:35
414 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:34:08
415 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:38:16
He will be replaced, better late than never, but how or when are Kenwright and Elstone, the men truly culpable for where we find ourselves, going to face up to their responsibilities and leave with Martinez?
Any other outcome is unacceptable no matter the new boss and I have a hard time spending any money, the only language they understand apart from bullshit, at the club until that is resolved. Might be waiting a while.
416 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:41:37
417 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:42:59
Fortunately, living 2000 miles away I no longer waste money at Everton FC although as my wife never ceases to remind me, I still blow a stack on gambling on their fortunes.
Regardless of what this useless Board decides today, I think, after over 50 years, I've had enough and will ride off into the Cyprus sunset leaving my anger behind me and Paddy Power to go bankrupt.
As so many have said, it's the hope that does for you !
418 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:49:53
419 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:51:13
This is what allows them to survive like cockroaches and what generates the obscene levels of TV revenue to line their pockets while they do it. An extremely sad reality.
420 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:54:25
421 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:59:46
422 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:01:42
423 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:07:46
424 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:09:11
Mention of protests planned outside St Georges tonight.
Pics of De Boer leaving his club
425 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:09:29
426 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:11:21
We have been taken to the cleaners, and washed a whole lot of money in the process, since Kenwright, borrowed money, that he couldn't really afford to take over Everton.
If Benitez, was appointed though, it would tell me that Moshiri, was now the gaffer, because I couldn't see Rafa, putting up with Kenwright's bollocks for long!
427 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:13:28
428 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:18:18
What time is the Easyjet flight from Amsterdam in?
429 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:29:41
Also, help me out here guys. He was asked 'will you still be in-charge?" He replied "That is not a question."
My knowledge of the English language would have that down as a question....right??!!
430 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:30:44
What are the players being 'awarded' for being a bunch of lazy untrained tossers ?
431 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:34:56
432 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:37:37
I doubt very much he will be at St. George's Hall tonight or at Goodison Park on Sunday, the man(?) is a natural born SHITPOT.
433 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:39:25
And the Bill Kenwright, What A Manager award for lack of services to winning football matches goes to...
434 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:41:02
436 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:57:22
437 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:01:37
Only Everton could replace El Bore with De Boer.
438 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:07:42
439 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:13:17
440 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:15:06
'The build-up phase is largely based around slow-tempo rhythm from the centre-backs holding the ball until they can spot a pass higher up the field. Frank de Boer clearly prefers a possession game and extremely high amounts of interchanging and players using clever, deceptive movements in offensive transitions as well as midfield patterns and build up phase. It is fair to say that de Boer's philosophy is based on creating space and exploiting the space created.'
441 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:18:46
442 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:34:56
444 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:39:50
He's had two downward spiraling years to rectify this by bringing in a quality defensive coach and has failed to do so.
If the club have any respect for him, they should let him go now before we have another Alex Nyarko incident on Sunday.
445 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:40:25
Perhaps the bookies are aware of unusual betting patterns coinciding with our loss of form.
446 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:43:14
447 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:43:53
On that basis I don't want FDB anywhere near Everton
448 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:56:55
449 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:02:08
John, you should have used a bed sheet!
450 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:08:22
451 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:11:03
452 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:11:46
Most hamstring strains
Most sideways passes in our half
The player managing to keep running for more than 60 minutes
The player coming out and supporting the manager in the press statement
The least time on the pitch as a substitute
The player with the most phenomenally intense display during a humiliating defeat
453 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:22:45
454 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:57:45
No matter how cheesed off they are with the manager - the tactics, the personnel, the formations, the subs, the media interviews... the whole pantomime... there is no justification for the lack of effort once they step on the pitch. From what I saw of the game last night (only a few minutes of each half) only Barry and Robles looked like they gave a shit, and that's unforgivable. Obviously the buck stops with the manager and I want him gone just like everyone else. But I'm kind of appalled by the players right now as well. And that's coming from an armchair fan - if I was shelling out to go to the game I'd be furious.
455 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:59:26
'Fast tempo yes, nastiness he has to learn more. His players are and were young and a bit light.. Get some players that are streetwise!!'
456 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:06:16
457 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:30:06
458 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:31:16
459 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:34:08
Along with Bergkamp and Stam that will do me.
Looks like a winning combination.
460 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:49:24
What on earth have any of them done to deserve an award nether mind a ceremony to present the undeserved award.
Mind you we will probably have the 'What a manager' award followed by the 'What a chairman' award.
461 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:01:12
462 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:01:15
That could be fun - angry blues plus alcohol
Nob in dickie-bow: "We all know how special Leeds are..."
- loud whisper - "That was last night!" -
Nob in dickie bow: "Er...oh..erm, but they're nowhere near as special as (consults itinerary) Evertom..TON, EverTON. And the award for the best..."
Seriously, it could all look very unseemly if they get the welcome they deserve (see link for welcome they deserve)
463 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:11:06
What categories are the awards for possibly the following.
1) worst ever attempt at a save and the winner by a big margin Joel Robles after Sunderlands first goal.
2) worst full back performance again an overwhelming winner Mohammed Besic against Man Utd in the Semi final.
3) worst defensive display John Stones pick any game you like.
464 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:16:56
Im told the nob in dickie bow has been booked with his sidekick
465 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:17:10
We only attend awards evenings in work when we have actually achieved something worthwhile.
I am sure the TW contributors could suggest some categories such as :-
1) Most individual errors by a player leading directly to a goal.
2) Failure to beat the first man at a corner award
3) Ability to trap a ball and make it roll 20 yards award.
4)Lazy, slow, overweight midfielder award
5) Most bullshit spoken in a press conference award
6)Most passes in a direction away from the opposition goal award.
7)Best use of £13.5m award
8)Most inspiring substitution award
9)The most effective way to lose a match from a winning position award.
It will certainly be an evening of celebration.
466 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:24:00
467 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:29:27
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