Everton embarrassed again as Sunderland clinch safety

That hasn't been the case. The only reason any young player got near the team in recent weeks is because it was forced on him by injuries.

He'll turn to seasoned pros before risking youngsters in the precarious position he has created for himself.

I echo the call for youth on the bench, although we owe it to the league to put out a strong 11 today.

I look forward to watching Pennington play right back. Watching him, I see him as a full back in the short term, developing into a centre half as he gains more experience and more strength. He won't play Stones right back and keep a kid in central defence surely.

I agree re the cover Lennon gives the full back, he works like a trojan. I think he has been a shining light for us this season. Saying that, his crossing in the last few games hasn't been to his usual high standard.

Lukaku is going through the motions. For him to have any chance we need to get the right cross in.

I thought we'd doing a lot worse.

Sack the cunt at half-time FFS!!!!

As an addendum to the players: have some professional pride. 10 minutes at the start of the game doesn't count.

Utterly depressing. At least Newcastle are going down.

He's on his way out and the players know it.

What's taking the Board so long!?

Another two goals from set-pieces.

The more I see Ross Barkley trotting around the pitch at a snails pace and doing his best Yaya Toure impression from last week against Real Madrid, the more I want to throw my TV out the window.

Absolutely no drive, penetration, forward movement whatsoever. This is utter dross football of the highest order, we're not even beating them in possession stakes with the absolute garbage we're serving up.

God knows what Robles was playing at.
Major overhaul needed - Get out Martinez.

Those of us who looked at his record (evidence) aren't. A young, naive, idealist who was found out at Wigan yet somehow convinced BK to employ him and hoodwinked many Everton fans at the time.

Let's hope the club and certain fans don't make the same mistake again when his replacement is announced.

Him and Niasse typify the clown. . . .25m for those two ? to think we had people shouting about what good buys they were.

I`d send Mori up top, he looks better in the opposition box than he does in ours

Carragher: "John Stones gets stick for the mistakes on the ball. His problem is he doesn't see danger early enough."

Would have been better if it came from someone else but absolutely spot on.

It is very strange and alarming that he has not been sacked already.

This ship is sinking very fast....

I believe that, if we had beaten Leicester and got anything from the last few games, our board will not get rid of RM. We must lose tonight and against Norwich for the board to feel they can justifiably sack him.

It is a sad state of affairs when you want your team to lose but I am there. He needs binning. Nice man, wrong club. He's not up to the job.

As for Martinez, I really don't want to see him sacked but we are in a tailspin and his dismissal seems inevitable. The team hasn't looked fit for two years and struggle to maintain any consistency over 90 minutes.

McCarthy is not much better, a midfielder in the left back position playing everyone onside for the second.

Barkley is delaying playing the ball & is being caught in possession.

Why do we not man mark in the box?

Bob has'nt a clue. There is no man management. Change tactics, we hav'nt got any tactics.

Play the under 21's at home to Norwich with Unsworth in charge.

Answers on a postcard.

I'm not surprised by this score line, the players know he's gone and it shows.

All Martinez bullshit excuses now are only to fight for a better severance pay. I just don't know what's taking it so long.

To me, R/M lost his way and the pressure has just been to much for him. The way this "I'm the biggest Blue on the Planet" Chairman has let the poor bugger implode, is bloody shameful.

R/M has suffered, the players have suffered and we have suffered having had to watch it unfold. Mr Moshiri, if you want this club to become a top club again, you have to take over from the Ego Man

I

3 players standing there gormless watching Sunderland centre halves muller us.

This is as low as I have seen Everton in terms of effort, it was never this bad under Moyes.

Shameful shameful shameful time to be an Evertonian

His latest excuse will be more exciting.

Don't forget the club awards tomorrow night folks!

Surely this "what a manager" has to be sacked immediately.

I feel so low watching this. We are shocking.

Martinez out and take Jones, Lawrence and Ferguson with him please.

To be fair that was pretty daft!!

4 - 0 was my shout.

Hope we have seen the last of Lukaku, Barkley, Stones etc etc etc after tonight.

Turned us into a laughing stock has King Louie Kenwright and the phenomenal one.

Roll on Sunday. Then sack him.

John (#73) you're right – Moyes would never have tolerated such inept displays. Let's hope BK comes to his senses or we will be next season's Villa and Barcodes rolled into one.

Let's pray something is going on behind the scenes!!!

Massive massive changes needed from top to bottom at this club because for two season's it's merely sleepwalking into oblivion.

OMG we are so shit!

That's not to say I want Moyes back BTW.

He does not deserve to walk away with an iota of respect. He has been hugely paid and has stolen his money. He is devoid of integrity.

He doesn't have any kids on the bench, just the usual bunch we have seen all season.

What a manager...

Moyes wouldn't have let it get to this.

The board will let Martinez see the season out, don't know why but that's the way we do things.

I've maintained my one man protest since the Southampton game and won't be there against Norwich!

That will be 3 home games I've missed this season, 2 because I refuse to attend and 1 for a wedding!!!

what the fk for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.

Are you psychic, Osman on?

Don't blame Ossie, loyal servant, but with 5 mins to go????

Its obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are going to be relegated next season if this does not change.

Home defeat against relegated Norwich!!!

This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.

No argument from me.
I'm just scratching my head as to why the clown hasn't been sacked some time ago (i.e. last season).

Well done to Sunderland. I'm looking forward to hearing the crying geordies on Talkshite.

He must've been a drugs mule! Only the knowledge that he was stuffed full of cocaine with a street value in excess of £200m would make that transfer make any sense!

In my view, Martinez was the worst appointment in our history. Appointed by the worst custodian of our club in our history. Kenwright should sack Martinez and it will be one less fraudster at the club. Of course, if he was to go as well , then the stench would lessen quite a bit.

This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.

Succint. Bravo sir

Unless they are transformed by better coaching and conditioning, it seems we are going to have a relegation scrap next year - and we haven't any scrappers.

Many of the players out there today deserve no credit at all. It was a lethargic, lazy, listless, lousy performance the likes of which I hope to never see again. In their similar looking kits one could have mistaken Sunderland for Athletico. That's how bad we were. We made Sunderland - 17th in the league - look like Simeones La Liga title chasers.

Truly truly dreadful. Once again we await comment from the club. I feel though that the rubicon has been crossed here. Martinez position is not only totally untenable, but he's making the boards increasingly difficult as well. Fingers crossed, announcement soon.

"And now the end is near"

Oh I know a fraud when I see one.

I take on board what you said Andy about the cost of sacking him maybe after the Liverpool Game but we might well have made most of any cost back, by getting to the final and getting a few places higher.

I don't see how there can be a lap of "appreciation" (what a daft ritual) on Sunday, it will just be a total embarrassment.

The negatives everything else. It was an awful performance again, I know 94% of us agree Martinez should be gone but the last two matches our players attitude has been atrocious.

Yes they might not like the manager and there isn't anything for us to play for but we the fans deserve better from them. A number of these players need a massive kick up the arse or shipping out by the new manager or the current malaise will continue.

Please do the honourable thing and don't let Martinez be on the touchline on Sunday as things could get ugly and embarrassing if he is.

I'd love to bump into him right now

"Martinez assures Sunderland's rivals over crucial game"

Yeah. We could have assured them too. I apologise to Newcastle and Norwich (though I may sneak a grin at Rafa/Ashley going down in a less solemn moment)

GET ME A MANAGER AND PLAYERS THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THEY CARE AND ARE WILLING TO SHOW SOME PRIDE FOR THIS CLUB..

Embarrassment!!!!

In 11 years under Moyes, just once.

We had not gone under 50 points in the season for 10 consecutive seasons until RM's second season.

Roberto Martinez will achieve 2 consecutive sub-50 seasons, whatever the result against Norwich on Sunday.

Phenomenal progress.

What did Einstein say about people who do the same fucking things and expect different results? Same thing that applies to us for putting up with this shite. Angry beyond words!

Tell the whole first team to go on holiday now. Tell the 'superstars' to get whatever it is they want to do out of the way early. Play the meaningless last game (thank fook!) with the kids and let's give a new Everton a new welcome.

In the second half, Barkely should have been subbed and Cleverley moved into midfield - the wrong player substituted.

Although Martinez isn't nowhere near good enough to manage our club. The players need to take a long hard look at themselves. They were embarrassing tonight.
Let's hope we have the funds to give the new manager as he has major surgery to perform.

Whatever, that's in the past and many, many supporters are so bitterly disillusioned now with the club, that something drastic has to happen now. Even if we don't get to here of it for a time, something, fundamental needs to happen.

Some believe Mr Moshiri is just a patsy that Kenwright has kidded into funding his dreams of glory (for him, like) I'm not so sure. We need a thorough sweeping out of Kenwright and his cronies before any progress at all can take place at Everton Football Club.

W14 D5 L0

Since RM took over

W2 D1 L4

Martinez has none of these qualities, when you look at Raniery he has the quality, would like Mancini I think he could do it for us.

A new start should happen from tomorrow. Let the fans attend Sunday knowing a new start is coming. A new dawn must come.

You can't get blood from a stone.

Anemia sums us up. The blood has been drained out of all of us.

Transfusion required, otherwise!!!

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Let's get tough! The time for talking is over. Call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit (the board) hard and hit it fast with a major -- and I mean major -- leaflet campaign, and while it's reeling from that, we'd follow up with a whist drive, a car boot sale, some street theatre and possibly even some benefit concerts. OK? Now, if that's not enough, I'm sorry, it's time for the T-shirts: "Martinez Out" ... "Inept Managers! No Thanks" ...
and if that's not enough, well, I don't know what will be."

Sorry if you don't know the TV clip - but I need something to make me smile - until the clown does depart!

He must be writing his resignation speech ,,,,,, surely ?

Even now, at the end, he still lacks the ruthlessness to bollock the players.

It clearly is.

What a fucking mess!

Tell me you are winding me up ?

Did he say he was pleased ? Is this a wind up ?

What about us all leaving our seats in the 78th minute?

Norwich won't be put at risk, so we'll not be in any danger of altering who's going down.

This has to stop now, Everton are becoming a laughing stock. Get him out now!!

Same old shit, for once I was glad to be watching on a dodgy stream on the PC and not there, but fair play to those Everton fans that went. Normally when I can't go I am kicking every ball and shouting at the computer, tonight I just couldn't be arsed.... I just sat there thinking this could end up five or six, I am glad I have been at work and never bothered swapping a shift so I could go... That's what he has done, going to the match is now a chore.

He should be sacked tonight and be made to make his own way back from the North East, even the fact that we relegated Benethus and the Geordies doesn't make it any more palatable.

A new manager and whole new backroom team.

Goalkeeper
Right Back
Centre Back x2
Left Back
Central Midfielder
Left Winger
Number 10
Striker x2

Better get that cheque book out Farhad, shit just got messy.

Well done, Bill, carry on.

"Jermain Defoe breaks through the Everton defence - a pony carrying a cart would have the pace to do that tonight."

Oh, joy ...

Jesus, Rafa had a pop at us nearly a decade ago and people are still cry-arsing about it. Get over it.

We slag them off all the time. Let's not be hypocrites.

The glimmer of hope is the potential stellar signings which is the only positive I'm clinging onto. Also, It wouldn't be the likes of De Boar and Pellegrini putting themselves in the frame for the soon to be vacant job. We'd be competing with Villa, and Newcastle (once Rafa goes to Valencia) for Nigel Pearson and David Moyes. It would be like jumping into Michael J Fox's Delorean DMC and going back to 2002 after Walter Smith was sacked.

In Moshiri we trust....

It is fairly obvious that on here at least, the consensus is there is something fundamentally flawed in the club.

Liverpool fans walked out because of proposed increase in prices.

I think Everton fans are very much concerned that there is a lot more than the cost of tickets at issue for Everton Football Club.

I think I will walk down to the concourse at the 78th minute. I don't want to boo R/M if he's strill in a job and I don't want to boo the players. I'd boo Kenwright mind, as I think he's damaged this club more than anyone in the last decade and a half.

I agree totally. It's mind games and Rafa was pretty good at it. I would have him at Goodison Park tomorrow.

Most of those players are greatly overated and I wouldnt guarantee any of them a place in the team. None of them deserve any awards which makes the players evening tomorrow a disgrace.

Fans should leave the match 5 mins from the end on Sunday and leave the ground empty for the so called lap of honour

Is it hell the worst team in history!

A number of 90's players would make that team.

It's been managed by one of the worst managers in history.

MARTINEZ OUT

“You must understand, young Hobbit, it takes a long time to say anything in Old Entish. And we never say anything unless it is worth taking a long time to say.”

Never understood why the Echo's view is seen as so important. It's a local rag, that's all.

I've seen a good team reduced to a bunch of absolute plonkers who find it hide to string a few passes together and move forward about as fast as an arthritic slug.

But what is to happen? In the least RM HAS TO GO!! There is no alternative! He has lost both the fans and probably the team. He disappeared down the tunnel tonight like a rat up a drain-plpe.

There are alternatives out there. Everyone is talking about them. But the most frightening thought I had tonight was that too many of our players were nowhere near good enough!!

Fucking hell!! What has this muppet done to my team! I'm really afraid for next season unless some significant changes are installed.

The next man really needs to know what our motto means. NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMO. NOTHING BUT THE FUCKING BEST IS GOOD ENOUGH!!!

Quinn said that Kone kept Lukaku quiet and Carragher says "Lukaku kept himself quiet, Jesus Christ".

I have to say, I think Carragher is excellent.

Oh yeah.............sack Martinez.

Martinez couldn't find a win if it was three inches wide and inserted a foot up his own rectum.

De Boer in particular would be a total gamble.

That said, I think the sudden push for a 'demo' smacks of being over the top - he will surely be gone as soon as it is contactually advantageous, i.e. if a break clause kicks in at the end of the season.

Call me an optimist but I feel the the squad has talent and youth. With the right manager, I think we will see the current lack of chemistry and defensive coaching quickly resolved. And if that manager is an inspirational name, known for winning - heck, the feared exodus might not be as bad as we fear (with the exception of Stones and Rom', though I'd argue that at the right price, they're replaceable). Add a few good players with Moshiri's loot and, hey-presto, we're off again.

Let's keep our heads, continue to be a positive advert for our great Club that our future manager will be impressed by, and then see where we are in the week after Norwich. If Martinez is here as we approach the transfer window, then fair enough, it will be time to kick off. But I somehow don't think he will be.

By the way if I were a Norwich or Newcastle fan tonight I would be looking at taking our wasters to court on the trade descriptions act !

Here's the plan:

1. Sack Martinez
2. Everything else goes on an upwards trajectory from there

Take you point about the Echo. Think now we have Mosh though we can rise above the Echo's lack of interest and BK will be out to pasture.

Kenwright is the chairman, he has actually praised the manager and just let him carry on regardless, when all this is sorted out a lot of explaining needs to be done about what has gone on the last couple of months and why the whole situation was allowed, it is really beyond belief that it could happen at such a big business.

Post match interview on bbc... Can he actually be for real?

Kenwright makes me sick. He'd be gushing all over the place if we were doing well. Now he's vanished. The bloke is a complete wanker.

A few signs of fight in the last 30 mins, but far too late.

This should be the end.

So where did Benitez repeat it a few years ago. Post me the link...if you can.

I find it pathetic that some still go on about comment from 9 fucking years ago considering some of the stuff we all say about LFC. Hypocritical. What goes around etc etc.

No ambition. Decades without a trophy. Stadium falling to bits. Flogging quality players. A totally useless board and many fans who accept all this....maybe he had a point....???

Unfortunately the 1st season was the honeymoon period and once he fully integrated his rigid philosophy he was found out. He just isn't the tactical genius many of us thought he was. He should have been let go after 'the defining week'. For BK to keep this charade going for any longer is just embarrassing for all parties.

I know it might sound petty but the guy is a rs through and through and I, personally, don't want him at our club.

So, why the hell would it be good idea to appoint such a bloke as the FSW who is already minted for life, has done everything he's ever gonna do in football, lives a stones' throw from Finch Farm. and would be over the fuckin moon to get a ginormous contract to make even his distant descendants minted for their lives, whilst all the while destroying from within the club he openly derided?

There's no guaranteed path to success but there's very clear paths to disaster and Martinez Mews is a path we've already been forced to tread in that direction. Bullshit Boulevard, Complacency Crescent, and Average Avenue are not paths we should now be seeking out as an alternative.

We need Ruthless, Rational, Relentless Road..........but does any fucker on the board know how to read the signs?

Yes, most definitely Mr Kenwright should be lauded for saving us from the hamper king clown all those years ago BUT now is most definitely the time to let go and allow the biggest decisions to be made by another. We know and accept that this utter debacle cannot be solved over a few summer months but please please give us a bit of hope by showing true intent, drive and ambition and bring in a manager who at the very least will strive to shed this horrible "plucky Everton " tab and make us competitive on the park which then will give us all a bit of pride in the badge back. Over to you, Mr Moshiri!!

The man has tried his best and isn't up to it. To me he looks crushed and Kenwright shows all the compassion of a friggin mate of his who's just buggered off out the club. Martinez will only get what any one of us would expect, and that's what's in his contract.

Christy, I don't think Kenwright has any decency if it affects him whatsoever.

we all think the same.

However ripping Barkley is not fair. Martinez has played that kid like Jeffrey Dahmer picking a victim. juice him up, mislead and fucked him. without the murder, apart from his career.

Please let this sociopath be gone.

On another topic of the ToffeeWeb poll: I'm using a Samsung Galaxy on this site and my fat fingers accidentally hit "No" instead of "Yes". Luckily I noticed before I clicked to vote, but I can only conclude that the 1200 or so that want him to remain also are just fellow sufferers of pickle fingers.

08 May 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3579998/Rafa-Benitez-left-relying-small-club-Everton-save-Newcastle-relegation.html

On behalf of Colin....

I don't know about pathetic since we are rival fans and it's kind of our job to to hurl shite at rivals whereas managers are in a privileged position and are not supposed to cross the line (thats just how it is) but find this apparent obsession with Benitez (I won't call him Rafa like he's my mate) just a bit bizarre.

Yes he's a better manager than Martinez but then I reckon I am along with Julian Clary and Barbara Cartland who is, err, still dead.

Also, you won't find mention of Benitez and Everton in the same sentence without 'small club' being in there too.

Plus he still loves them!

Can you imagine the questions around where his loyalties lie when we lose to them? Sorry just doesn’t work for me. There are many equally or better candidates without the baggage Benitez brings.

I know everyone is desperate for some hope but we are still only in May and this time we can't mess it up.

Those players should hold their heads in shame, for those Evertonians who travelled to the match to watch that shower of shite, no pride, effort, just a stroll around the pitch, not fit to wear the Royal Blue jersey.

I would dearly love you to communicate something to show the feeling of the fans on ToffeeWeb. Look at the recent polls you have done - 90% and more of almost 20,000 votes want the manager out. We can't all be wrong! Can you call for action from the club? We need action. We need someone to pick the baton up and run with this. Someone has to be brave enough to do something. It has to be abundantly clear to the board what the next step is. Already, this has gone on way too far.

No its torment , the board should state he will go at the end of the season. Then we can all clap him on Sunday for the possibility of rescuing next season.

If it's rumoured that we save a million by waiting until June then they should come to an agreement and if he wants to take charge of the team on Sunday he can but I think he's going to be abused if still in his post on Sunday or ridiculed if he walks us out having it announced its his last game. By the same token if he wants to hang in there for that million waiting for the push in May that's his prerogative - given he's probably already been paid over £7m already and will get more anyway. The money I'm talking about is the June money (if true).

As for lottery tickets, he came to us a rich man and has pocketed the equivalent of a few rollovers already so you won't find him in the bread line just yet.

Please justify your backing when 94% want him gone. Unless it is RS fans infiltrating the website please state your case why you think HE should stay?

Kenwright please do the honoriable thing and sack him and walk out too. You have destroyed this club!

I think there is a certain amount of damage already done that we have to take onboard going into next season, and we may possibly be looking at a season where we are fighting a relegation battle.

What ambitious, in demand, success driven manager is likely to look at a team facing an exodus of its best players who finished in the lower half (or possibly quarter) of the premier league, as a good career move?

I think the only managers that will be interested will be the ones looking at Moshiri's money and thinking they can steady a sinking ship for a large financial return.

I doubt the likes of Koeman, Bilic or Simeone would be interested in coming to Everton which is why we are hearing the likes of Benitez being mentioned.

If fans want to make a statement, don't go in at all. Barring that, stay outside chanting, holding banners, etc. and then go in on 44 minutes, which is the number of points Everton has (or some other meaningful number such as number of years BK has been in charge or number of years without winning a title or perhaps a trophy, etc). Once in, by all means continue whatever chants about Martinez and Kenwright out you want.

I find it ridiculous that the "harshest" form of protest offered up is to not stay to clap the players off for the season when the main fault is really the Board, BK, and RM.

Seriously, if that is the best we can do, then save it, because BK and the Board will appreciate fans not sticking around as they can close up earlier and save wages for the cleaning crews. Then BK can turn to Moshiri and say "See, I told you it isn't Bobby, it is the players the fans are upset with" or some other such nonsense and the visible evidence will support BK as will the ticket sales next season.

Says it all really.

HES NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO REVERSE THIS ROT.

On Barkley tonight. I sort of accept a player being shot to bits for confidence but it won't excuse strolling around being lazy and letting players breeze past him.

THAT PERFORMANCE WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

"We tried to get the focus after being in the FA Cup semi-final and sometimes it drops the intensity," said Martinez.

BBC Sport

Another thing... Was anybody surprised by this? Did anybody expect us honestly to get a result?

This board, Kenwrong and Manuel have killed this club.

The sad thing is getting beat used to ruin my day/weekend but now the apathy has kicked in and I just shrug thinking it is another nail in the coffin so we can look for a new manager.

As an aside the players are a disgrace too. I hated United players for downing tools when OFM was in charge and I hated Chelsea players for doing the same for Maureen. It lacked professionalism.

I never thought Everton players would do the same. Sad days. I hope whoever comes in shakes it up massively and shows Lukaku and another. On performers the door asap

Watching tonight's game was like slow torture as it became even more obvious that despite Martinez claiming the players are behind him, they really do not want to play for him. If he can't see it that makes him an even worse manager than we already know he is.

Just seen the panel on ESPN basically saying he's turned us into a carbon copy of his Wigan team and they agreed Everton are a big club but having got the jib, Martinez immediately imported four players from his relegated Wigan team.

The Everton job is too big for him and the time has come for BK to acknowledge he made a terrible mistake in hiring him by doing the right thing and firing him before he damages us even more by leading us in a headlong charge towards relegation next season.

He's already ruined my summer as I usually spend the close season eagerly awaiting the new one. Not this time, at least, not as long as Martinez is manager.

With the Norwich game now meaningless for both sides the club should fire him immediately and at least allow a little bit of atmosphere back into Goodison on Sunday as I'm sure there would be as the relief at his leaving would almost create a party atmosphere for the game. If they don't then Sunday is likely to be one horrific experience for Senor Martinez who seems to be hanging on like a bloodsucking leech with no self-respect or dignity in waiting for the inevitable axe to fall.

Which I might add was over 80% Martinez Out.

Just asking like.

Getting boring now T W.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3585883/Frank-Boer-leaves-Ajax-days-agent-said-love-join-club-like-Everton-amid-pressure-Roberto-Martinez.html

https://m.reddit.com/r/AjaxAmsterdam/comments/3ngllm/frank_de_boer_should_resign/

Now I'm not Barkley's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but even I'll concede that he wasn't to blame for the 2nd half performance!! Not a lot you can do from the bath!! Did you actually watch the game??

As for mythinez it's time to put the man out of his misery. It's like a slow death. Surely he can't turn up to the "awards" doo then rock up at Goodison on Sunday like everything is fine and dandy!?

I've said it on here already on here, I'm not going Sunday my seat will be empty and I won't be going back to Goodison till RM goes.

A top manager who has a profile in world football and is club less wants to manage us...What is there to discuss?!?

Just fucking abject.

When asked about Norwich, the guy asked him "Do you expect to be in charge?". RM gave an awkward smiled and said "That's not a question". Nice awkward moment!!

But it was a question numbnuts, actually you're right. Was probably a statement. Hopefully.

Roberto has strengths. He is good at charming old ladies, and dancing. His weakness is in the general area of football management.

John Stones is one of the finest ball playing centre halves you could wish to see. He is also, currently, pretty bog standard when it comes to actually defending.

Phil Jagielka is a great defender, but a great inspiration, motivator and leader of men? Not so much.

James McCarthy is brilliant at chasing people around and making a nuisance of himself, but you need every midfielder to at least be capable of some forward play (even more so when you play 2 DM's), and he offers zero in this regard.

Ross Barkley is one of the most naturally gifted footballers of this generation. Sadly, he is so lacking in vision and footballing intelligence that all his dazzling skills usually go to waste due to terrible decision making. He also seems afraid to put in a tackle.

Tom Cleverley has very nice hair, but he's not great at football.

Romelu Lukaku is potentially one of the most fearsome strikers in world football. Sadly, he often looks like he really couldn't be arsed about playing for Everton.

Let's start with fixing things at the top. Afterall, a manager who isn't very good at being a manager is never going to get the very best out of his team.

Then let the new guy sort out our current bunch of mis-fits.

I still believe there is potential greatness in there somewhere. Can we find the genius who can unleash it?

Well said , McCarthy is first and foremost, the most useless player on this squad.

Zero vision or offensive intent. I mean zero. In regards to out on the field production, he does so much to prevent us from developing effective attacking ball movement. He is the biggest on-field cancer that is contributing to killing this team's ability to produce.

I absolutely despise him.

The irony is what he said was true and the fact certain fans are now saying they don't want him here because of his past words, not his abilities as a manager, proves his point for me.

If we want to appoint a manager based on what he says rather than does, we just make exactly the same mistake as we made with Martinez.

Benetiz won't take any shit from the Board or the players, he's his own man who has backed up his words in the past with results. Steven Gerrard who I hate, but begrudgingly respect, says he was the best manager he played under but he had no close relationship with him even though he was the RS captain. That's how it should be for me between players and the manager, respect but not mates.

Hopefully by lunchtime he wont be.

These two bastards, Kenwright and Martinez, have made me feel nothing but hatred towards something that, after my family, has been an integral part of my life. I feel like I've had the soul ripped out of me, watching Everton lately.

I know no team has a god-given right to win games but, as long suffering fans have a god-given right to expect nothing more than heart, fight, passion etc – something sadly that's been lacking in abundance the past few months.

If Kenwright would have done the honourable thing and sacked him, say 6 to 8 weeks ago, I sincerely believe we would have had a cup final to look forward to. As it is, it's all immaterial and all because of some ponced up luvvie who calls himself the biggest Evertonian of the lot – try telling that to the the brave lads and lasses who once again suffered having to pay to watch that last night.

Just for once, Bill, do the right thing... I'm fucking begging you.

These fools are the reason why the fella we want to keep will be almost certainly be gone and the clown we are desperate to get rid of, is still here.

We will follow Villa if we carry on this way.

The shambles of the last two seasons with the unbalanced team full of injured/unfit players playing out of position aren't doing these players any favours, despite their lack of application.

Before Martinez arrived, it was clear we had a large number of players about to move on or past their best. Too many of them are still here. Too many of these replacements have missed the mark. The next manager's job will be to find a way of shipping out these players and replacing them, something that Martinez has been unable to do.

Now that we allegedly have 'money', there is no need to cash in on our young talent, who will be much improved under the next manager.

Whoever we choose is going to be a gamble. For me the choice will tell us everything about how much money and ambition we now have.

Too many players at the end of their careers.

A completely deluded and inadequate manager.

A board with no vision or ambition.

The joys of being an Evertonian.

New kit! Not arsed. I want him gone. We're a laughing stock; total contempt for the fans by BPB. Anger is turning to hate – not good.

Never seen a bunch of Everton players show such disrespect to the shirt. New manager and a rebuild needed.

You can't/shouldn't rely on other teams to keep you up, they got themselves relegated by being piss poor for virtually a whole season.

We got lucky...

How can we ridicule the manager, and let the man who refused to relieve him of his duties, when we still had a chance of success, off Scott free?

He will be replaced, better late than never, but how or when are Kenwright and Elstone, the men truly culpable for where we find ourselves, going to face up to their responsibilities and leave with Martinez?

Any other outcome is unacceptable no matter the new boss and I have a hard time spending any money, the only language they understand apart from bullshit, at the club until that is resolved. Might be waiting a while.

Fortunately, living 2000 miles away I no longer waste money at Everton FC although as my wife never ceases to remind me, I still blow a stack on gambling on their fortunes.

Regardless of what this useless Board decides today, I think, after over 50 years, I've had enough and will ride off into the Cyprus sunset leaving my anger behind me and Paddy Power to go bankrupt.

As so many have said, it's the hope that does for you !

This is what allows them to survive like cockroaches and what generates the obscene levels of TV revenue to line their pockets while they do it. An extremely sad reality.

hahahahahahahaha

Mention of protests planned outside St Georges tonight.

Pics of De Boer leaving his club

Momentum building..

We have been taken to the cleaners, and washed a whole lot of money in the process, since Kenwright, borrowed money, that he couldn't really afford to take over Everton.

If Benitez, was appointed though, it would tell me that Moshiri, was now the gaffer, because I couldn't see Rafa, putting up with Kenwright's bollocks for long!

What time is the Easyjet flight from Amsterdam in?

Also, help me out here guys. He was asked 'will you still be in-charge?" He replied "That is not a question."

My knowledge of the English language would have that down as a question....right??!!

What are the players being 'awarded' for being a bunch of lazy untrained tossers ?

I doubt very much he will be at St. George's Hall tonight or at Goodison Park on Sunday, the man(?) is a natural born SHITPOT.

And the Bill Kenwright, What A Manager award for lack of services to winning football matches goes to...

'The build-up phase is largely based around slow-tempo rhythm from the centre-backs holding the ball until they can spot a pass higher up the field. Frank de Boer clearly prefers a possession game and extremely high amounts of interchanging and players using clever, deceptive movements in offensive transitions as well as midfield patterns and build up phase. It is fair to say that de Boer’s philosophy is based on creating space and exploiting the space created.'

He's had two downward spiraling years to rectify this by bringing in a quality defensive coach and has failed to do so.

If the club have any respect for him, they should let him go now before we have another Alex Nyarko incident on Sunday.

Perhaps the bookies are aware of unusual betting patterns coinciding with our loss of form.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36273695

On that basis I don't want FDB anywhere near Everton

Most hamstring strains
Most sideways passes in our half
The player managing to keep running for more than 60 minutes
The player coming out and supporting the manager in the press statement
The least time on the pitch as a substitute
The player with the most phenomenally intense display during a humiliating defeat

No matter how cheesed off they are with the manager - the tactics, the personnel, the formations, the subs, the media interviews... the whole pantomime... there is no justification for the lack of effort once they step on the pitch. From what I saw of the game last night (only a few minutes of each half) only Barry and Robles looked like they gave a shit, and that's unforgivable. Obviously the buck stops with the manager and I want him gone just like everyone else. But I'm kind of appalled by the players right now as well. And that's coming from an armchair fan - if I was shelling out to go to the game I'd be furious.

Along with Bergkamp and Stam that will do me.
Looks like a winning combination.

What on earth have any of them done to deserve an award nether mind a ceremony to present the undeserved award.

Mind you we will probably have the 'What a manager' award followed by the 'What a chairman' award.

That could be fun - angry blues plus alcohol

Nob in dickie-bow: "We all know how special Leeds are..."

- loud whisper - "That was last night!" -

Nob in dickie bow: "Er...oh..erm, but they're nowhere near as special as (consults itinerary) Evertom..TON, EverTON. And the award for the best..."

Audience: "FUCKINGBOOOOOOO!!!!"

Seriously, it could all look very unseemly if they get the welcome they deserve (see link for welcome they deserve)

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1) worst ever attempt at a save and the winner by a big margin Joel Robles after Sunderlands first goal.
2) worst full back performance again an overwhelming winner Mohammed Besic against Man Utd in the Semi final.
3) worst defensive display John Stones pick any game you like.

Im told the nob in dickie bow has been booked with his sidekick

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I am sure the TW contributors could suggest some categories such as :-
1) Most individual errors by a player leading directly to a goal.
2) Failure to beat the first man at a corner award
3) Ability to trap a ball and make it roll 20 yards award.
4)Lazy, slow, overweight midfielder award
5) Most bullshit spoken in a press conference award
6)Most passes in a direction away from the opposition goal award.
7)Best use of £13.5m award
8)Most inspiring substitution award
9)The most effective way to lose a match from a winning position award.

It will certainly be an evening of celebration.