Everton embarrassed again as Sunderland clinch safety

11/05/2016  429 Comments  [Jump to last]
Sunderland 3 - 0 Everton

Joel Robles had a night to forget as his goal was breached another three times.

Everton offered up another shameful away performance, going down meekly to Sunderland who easily picked up the three points they needed to safeguard their membership of the Premier League and send Newcastle and Norwich down to the Championship.

The Blues fell behind 2-0 by the half-time interval to goals by Patrick van Aanholt and Lamine Kone and then conceded another when Joel Robles could only parry to the feet of the Ivorian defender and he converted from close range.

Coming in the wake of Saturday's abject capitulation at the King Power Stadium to newly-crowned Champions, Leicester and the even more embarrassing surrender at Anfield in the Merseyside derby last month, the outcome of this game came as little surprise to those Evertonians, far fewer in number than the usual committed throng, who made the journey to the northeast this evening.

Seven goals conceded in those two prior away fixtures became 10 as the Black Cats capitalized on Everton's inability to convert superior possession into chances and their notorious weakness at set pieces.

All three goals came as the result of dead-ball situations. The first and third were incidents that Robles will want to forget but none of the defenders covered themselves in glory and were it not for a couple of other important stops by the Spanish goalkeeper, the score might have been higher.

Gareth Barry returned to the starting XI after injury and Ramiro Funes Mori was back from suspension so Matthew Pennington moved to right back. Further forward, Kevin Mirallas came in for Oumar Niasse.

Everton looked the more composed sides in the early going, enjoying plenty of possession but without creating much until a deep cross in the ninth minute was met by Pennington but his looping header dropped wide.

Sunderland began to assert themselves more as the match passed the quarter-hour mar, seeking to capitalise on a period when Leighton Baines was off the pitch tending to strapping on his calf. A tame header by Younis Kaboul was all the Black Cats could muster from a decent spell, however, and Joel Robles comfortably gathered.

It was Kaboul who was the unlikely source of the closest moment of the half thus far when he turned inside Pennington from the home side's left flank and whipped a shot across goal and narrowly past the far post.

At the other end, Tom Cleverley almost had Mirallas away on goal but Vito Mannone was out of his area to clear quickly before Barkley tried a speculative curler from outside the box but slipped and his shot went well wide.

A fairly lifeless encounter came alive seven minutes before half-time, though, when Funes Mori's foul on the edge of the box gave Van Aanholt an opportunity to line up a direct free kick that he drove through the defensive wall and in past Robles who had badly misjudged the Dutchman's intentions and vacated the centre of the goal.

Robles recovered well a couple of minutes when he turned Jermaine Defoe's good header behind but when Everton failed to clear the resulting corner, Kone smashed home from close range as the ball was nodded back into the danger zone to double the lead.

Martinez replaced Barkley with Lennon at the start of the second half and an early free kick ended with Pennington, again the only player in Blue apart perhaps from the willing Mirallas to emerge with much credit, heading towards the top corner but Mannone made a two-handed catch.

At the other end, Jan Kirchoff glanced a header wide from a corner as Sunderland continued to press.

Sunderland increased their lead 10 minutes into the second half, however. Defoe was put clean through by a through-ball as the visitors' defence opened up again but while he lifted the ball over Robles, Pennington raced back with Stones to clear the ball off the line for a corner.

Khazri swung a wicked in-swinging dead-ball delivery in that Robles parried awkwardly off the goal line but the ball dropped to Kone off a defender's leg and he slammed it into the net.

Everton were carved open once more almost immediately but Khazri couldn't pick Defoe out in the centre for what would surely have been a fourth. Shortly afterwards, Deandre Yedlin slid an unchallenged ball across the Everton box but couldn't find a red and white jersey.

After Robles had made a good save to deny Defoe, Mannone was called into real action for the first time when he parried a Funes Mori header to safety midway through the second half.

Barry then forced another stop from the 'keeper with a decent header off a corner but it was steered too close to Mannone to really trouble him.

The final stages were a bit of a non-event as the Black Cats wound down the game. Mirallas clipped the woodwork with one shot and Lukaku sliced another shot onto the crossbar from a similar situation as Kone's second goal but the ball wouldn't go in for Martinez's sorry outfit.

Another miserable evening for Everton, then, and perhaps the last match that Martinez oversees because it's hard to see how his tenure can possible last until Sunday's final game against Norwich. Fed-up Everton fans are sure to make their feelings about the manager known at what is supposed to be an upbeat occasion to see out the season.

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Tim Sarken
2 Posted 11/05/2016 at 18:58:57
Aside from Pennington, no youth, even on the bench? Neither Ossie nor Gibson could have been left out for Dowell? Is Martinez trying to get sacked?
Geoff Williams
3 Posted 11/05/2016 at 18:59:43
What is the point of having Niasse and Osman on the bench. I despair.
Jay Wood
4 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:03:46
Tim ... this is a manager fighting to save his job. If he was sure of his position we might have seen more youngsters given their head in these closing fixtures.

That hasn't been the case. The only reason any young player got near the team in recent weeks is because it was forced on him by injuries.

He'll turn to seasoned pros before risking youngsters in the precarious position he has created for himself.

David Cromwell
5 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:04:23
Madness - doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Look at this team sheet. Madness.
I like the Mackems, but they won't get it any easier than tonight.
Jim Knightley
6 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:14:04
So we think Matthew Pennington at right back inside of in the centre?

I echo the call for youth on the bench, although we owe it to the league to put out a strong 11 today.

Keith Glazzard
7 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:19:17
Lennon won't be defending the right flank. Good luck to Pennington and McCarthy? They're going to need it.
Kevin will have been given orders to play at left back. Let's see what Ross actually does.
Paul Andrews
8 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:20:00
Jim,

I look forward to watching Pennington play right back. Watching him, I see him as a full back in the short term, developing into a centre half as he gains more experience and more strength. He won't play Stones right back and keep a kid in central defence surely.

Keith Glazzard
9 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:22:28
ps to those hoping for youth.
RM is fighting for his job tonight. So is Sam Allardyce. I know wh I'd put my money on.
Paul Andrews
10 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:25:55
Keith,

I agree re the cover Lennon gives the full back, he works like a trojan. I think he has been a shining light for us this season. Saying that, his crossing in the last few games hasn't been to his usual high standard.

Lukaku is going through the motions. For him to have any chance we need to get the right cross in.

Gordon Crawford
11 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:33:36
Roberto's reply when asked by sky reporter "how confident are you that you'll get something better from your team tonight?" Referring to Saturday of course. Roberto's reply: "will we, always react well".
I despair, please sack this man asap.
John Graham
14 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:41:24
Just give us some fight. Don't sit in your own half passing across the pitch. Get the ball forward quick and get up and support the attack. Doesn't matter who plays its a must win. Get some respect back from the fans.
COYB
Patrick Carty
15 Posted 11/05/2016 at 19:59:40
Funes Mori is a disaster waiting to happen.
Conor Skelly
17 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:18:32
Barkley epitomises Martinez's Everton. Promises so much but delivers so little.
Norman Foley
18 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:21:17
33 minutes gone and what a pile of shite. It's a good job were not playing anyone decent. Sack him in the morning!
Norman Foley
19 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:26:23
38 minutes gone, WTF is our defending like? We are lifeless in all departments.
Eugene Ruane
20 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:29:09
42 mins, Sunderland only 2-0 up?

I thought we'd doing a lot worse.

Ste Traverse
22 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:30:18
We have been even worse than I thought we would be.

Sack the cunt at half-time FFS!!!!

Peter Roberts
24 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:33:17
No ifs no buts Kenwright. Sack this clown tonight.

As an addendum to the players: have some professional pride. 10 minutes at the start of the game doesn't count.

Utterly depressing. At least Newcastle are going down.

Tommy Coleman
25 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:34:29
Is anyone surprised?

He's on his way out and the players know it.

What's taking the Board so long!?

Patrick Carty
26 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:34:30
I pity the fans who have paid good money today to watch that. I would sell the whole team in the summer, not one of them gives a shit.

Another two goals from set-pieces.

Christopher Dover
27 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:35:15
Lukaku won a header!
Stephen High
28 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:35:19
And Kone scores the second! ... No, wait, bugger. Bye Bob.
Eric Paul
29 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:35:20
Conor@17
The reason Ross delivers so little is down to Martinez
Craig Walker
30 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:39:13
Ross Barkley is nowhere near good enough. I watched him all of the time in that half. Trots around a lot neither marking or being in a position to attack. At least the Mike Walker team had Ablett, Watson and Horne etc. Some fight and drive. We need to stop pretending that these players are good enough. They are awful!
Sean Lloyd
31 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:40:29
What an absolute bunch of fairies.. Utterly embarrassing with no one willing to put a foot in anywhere.

The more I see Ross Barkley trotting around the pitch at a snails pace and doing his best Yaya Toure impression from last week against Real Madrid, the more I want to throw my TV out the window.

Absolutely no drive, penetration, forward movement whatsoever. This is utter dross football of the highest order, we're not even beating them in possession stakes with the absolute garbage we're serving up.

God knows what Robles was playing at.
Major overhaul needed - Get out Martinez.

Paul Curwen
32 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:40:33
Sure I saw McCarthy make two passes that weren't backwards or square ...
Anthony Millington
33 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:40:40
Everton are pathetic at the minute. The players don't care and Martinez's record is terrible this season (even his away record that he makes out is so good!) He should be sacked for not doing defensive training and for never playing a balanced midfield and instead playing Cleverley outwide every game. Someone should remind him of our motto Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
Jim Marray
34 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:41:28
I have seen Robbie's full time comments the reporters. He has emphasised that they should look at what he has achieved over the last three seasons; these achievements are delivering a team that can play football at a speed that allows the Chairman to join during training; he has introduced good players and made them suitable to play in the league he will get us promoted to next season (the Championship); he has boosted the value of the team by inflating the transfer prices of players who are only just managing to get a gentle jog during the game and of course the players are capable of lasting all season as by not running around during the game when they don't have the ball they are conserving energy.
Why would he media think his job was under threat?
Andy Walker
35 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:41:29
Tommy, the hordes of posters (most now gone) who postered how great Martinez was after his appointment will presumably be surprised.

Those of us who looked at his record (evidence) aren't. A young, naive, idealist who was found out at Wigan yet somehow convinced BK to employ him and hoodwinked many Everton fans at the time.

Let's hope the club and certain fans don't make the same mistake again when his replacement is announced.

Darren Hind
36 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:42:53
"Funes Mori a disaster waiting to happen" . . .waiting Patrick ?

Him and Niasse typify the clown. . . .25m for those two ? to think we had people shouting about what good buys they were.

I`d send Mori up top, he looks better in the opposition box than he does in ours

Brian Hill
37 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:04
Shameful.
Anto Byrne
38 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:08
Sack the prick at half time, 200 passes no shots on goal, no corners, you are taking the fucking piss.
Martin O'Sullivan
39 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:12
actuly sitting here laughing at how shite we are, the pain the tears aren't here today it's just laughable while this clowns trying to manage us, oh and of course same formation and system that hasn't worked for two years, and bores the tits off me, some philosophy Bobby, lol hahahahahaha
Paul Andrews
40 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:54
Robles for the first. John Stones and McCarthy for second. McCarthy slow getting out Stones ran past his man.

Carragher: "John Stones gets stick for the mistakes on the ball. His problem is he doesn't see danger early enough."

Would have been better if it came from someone else but absolutely spot on.

David Cromwell
41 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:43:55
Half time and some very disinterested players out there. Pennington aside, and perhaps Robles no one appears to give a sweet shit. The contrast in attitude with our opposition couldn't be more stark. Surely this is the last 45 minutes of the Martinez era.
Tim O'Connell
42 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:44:19
Shambles - only Gareth Barry has put in a tackle. Not as frustrated as the previous 3 months as I have to believe Martinez is a goner!
Peter Jansson
43 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:44:31
Sack Martinez!

It is very strange and alarming that he has not been sacked already.

This ship is sinking very fast....

Mark Ryan
44 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:45:50
I've been supporting my team for 53 years. I can honestly say I am indifferent if we lose tonight because I want the manager sacked.

I believe that, if we had beaten Leicester and got anything from the last few games, our board will not get rid of RM. We must lose tonight and against Norwich for the board to feel they can justifiably sack him.

It is a sad state of affairs when you want your team to lose but I am there. He needs binning. Nice man, wrong club. He's not up to the job.

Eric Paul
45 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:46:37
Nine of the starting 11 are internationals; it's Martinez who is not good enough, Craig.
David Cromwell
46 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:47:24
Barkley given the half time hook. There's something very amiss here.
Paul Hughes
47 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:47:52
We were shit at Anfield... shit at Leicester... and now shit at Sunderland – but at least our away form is good.
Tom Flower
48 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:47:53
I agree with the last post. The players aren't as good as they think they are or as good as Martinez has told them they are. We need fresh legs all over the park but definitely in goal, at right back and centre midfield.

As for Martinez, I really don't want to see him sacked but we are in a tailspin and his dismissal seems inevitable. The team hasn't looked fit for two years and struggle to maintain any consistency over 90 minutes.

Andy Walker
49 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:48:09
Darren, there was an enormous amount of pro Funes Mori shite posted on here following his signing. Why I have no idea. Anyone who suggested he was an unproven, expensive risk was roundly dismissed, including a certain journalist. Some of our fans need to take a hard look in the mirror and take some responsibility for their appalling judgement over the last few years.
David Milner
50 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:48:33
Cleverley is out of his depth, what was he doing in the line for the free kick.

McCarthy is not much better, a midfielder in the left back position playing everyone onside for the second.

Barkley is delaying playing the ball & is being caught in possession.

Why do we not man mark in the box?

Bob has'nt a clue. There is no man management. Change tactics, we hav'nt got any tactics.

Play the under 21's at home to Norwich with Unsworth in charge.

Will Jones
51 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:49:23
I have seen more strength in Andrex SkinKind Toilet Tissue with Aloe Vera
Jim Bennings
52 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:50:16
What the hell are we waiting for though in. sacking Martinez?????

Answers on a postcard.

Anto Byrne
53 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:50:23
Replays show Mori winning the ball and two players offside for the second I have to laugh at the officials its been the story all season. Will a 4-0 loss get rid of Martinez?
Peter Roberts
54 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:50:40
My bet (or hope) is that a statement is issued after the match saying Norwich will be Martinez's last game in charge and that we will be seeking to appoint a new manager for next season. Surely even Kenwright can see this ship is at best rudderless?
Tommy Coleman
55 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:52:04
I was one of them Andy. I didn't mind his appointment, and after being disillusioned with football, Martinez's first season made me fall in love with football again.
But, for my opinion, a manager controlling a club with our resources should build a championship challenging side in 3 years.
Martinez has had his chance.

I'm not surprised by this score line, the players know he's gone and it shows.

All Martinez bullshit excuses now are only to fight for a better severance pay. I just don't know what's taking it so long.

John Graham
56 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:52:33
What a load of tosh. Over run by a team fighting to stay in the league. We need a goalie definitely. We need at least one central defender. McCarthy doesn't do anything, doesn't close down, doesn't defend doesn't create, what's happened to him. Cleverly not up to in. Barclay needs to step up and at least try to dictate things if he has any ambition. Can't see anything good at all.
Jim Lloyd
57 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:52:38
I think that if he is still there on Sunday, people might remember that the smiling one. The one who called out "What a Manager" Who hasn't yet sacked him and basically has hung him out to dry.

To me, R/M lost his way and the pressure has just been to much for him. The way this "I'm the biggest Blue on the Planet" Chairman has let the poor bugger implode, is bloody shameful.

R/M has suffered, the players have suffered and we have suffered having had to watch it unfold. Mr Moshiri, if you want this club to become a top club again, you have to take over from the Ego Man

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Andy Walker
58 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:53:44
End of the season Jim. Sacking him before will cost the club more money so as we are safe why bother is what I suspect Mosh is thinking. We'd only end up having to pay off Martinez for longer and pay more to a caretaker to step up to the season end.
Clive Rogers
59 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:54:17
Been watching McCarthy in particular and he never gets a tackle in.
Colin Hughes
60 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:54:25
Newcastle finished last season in similar form that we have this.
Can only see a relegation fight for us next season as most of this squad will still be here bar a handful and they are simply not good enough to make any impact at this level.
Jim Lloyd
61 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:55:28
Yes, Andy, I guess it does come down to the dosh....pity though.
Rick Tarleton
62 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:58:33
Not been sacked at half-time? There's no logic to the decision to keep him as manager in the second half.
Andy Walker
63 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:58:33
Yep Jim, frustrating being humiliated most weeks. I think summer will be much better though when a new manager comes in.
Peter Roberts
64 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:59:36
3-0. Bye bye Newcastle and Norwich. Bye bye Martinez.

3 players standing there gormless watching Sunderland centre halves muller us.

David Cromwell
65 Posted 11/05/2016 at 20:59:47
That was a shambles for the third. This is unreal.
Gary Hughes
66 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:00
I am disgusted with the attitude of the players. Sunderland were on the verge of being relagated and they took the piss out of us in the first half, picking us off when play broke down. Gone back 20 years to the center halfs just launching the ball aimlessly to no one. 3rd goal just gone in which sums us up lately, 6 men doing nothing in the 6 yard box. This could get embarrassing. Again.
Andy Crooks
67 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:05
I had twenty quid on this useless, spineless sack of shite tonight. I actually thought that they, and the useless fucker of a coach, might have felt a sense of duty, some idea that ordinary folk pay to watch the useless fuckers. What a pack of shameless cunts they are.
Jim Bennings
68 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:08
Got to be making an announcement tomorrow after this!!

This is as low as I have seen Everton in terms of effort, it was never this bad under Moyes.

Shameful shameful shameful time to be an Evertonian

Ray Smith
69 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:24
Don't blame Robles for the third.
4 of them standing around.
Could be 4 or 5 at this rate.
Tom Flower
70 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:00:47
I am unable to recall a more depressing time as an Everton supporter.
Tommy Coleman
71 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:01:00
Wow, this is really bad.

His latest excuse will be more exciting.

Finn Taylor
72 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:01:26
Smith was done in the North East. And now Martinez is.

Don't forget the club awards tomorrow night folks!

John Graham
73 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:02:01
Best think he's done in a while getting Barkley off. Stopped playing once everyone started building him up. Hate to say it but Moyes would have made him work harder and contribute more or he wouldn't have got near to the first team.
Terence Tyler
74 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:02:04
If we get Newcastle away in the cup next year, I strongly advise our supporters not to travel
Keith Glazzard
75 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:02:10
An absolute fucking disgrace.
Lukaku hasn't been in their 6 yard box all night.
Jay Harris
77 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:03:04
Haven't troubled their keeper once.

Surely this "what a manager" has to be sacked immediately.

Dave Older
78 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:03:19
Please let this nightmare end. RM's post match comments will be interesting.....
Bob Cumiskey
79 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:03:40
Disgraceful!!

I feel so low watching this. We are shocking.

Martinez out and take Jones, Lawrence and Ferguson with him please.

Phil Jeffries
80 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:03:54
We are being opened up far too easily and making this shower look like champions! What a load of gash... SACK MARTINEZ.
Norman Foley
81 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:05:19
Absolute fucking shambles. No football club should endure their fans to go through this, It's piss poor.
Martin O'Sullivan
82 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:06:37
I just pray he's sacked in the morning after this, pure bonkers if he's not.
Bobby Thomas
83 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:06:59
Andy #67

To be fair that was pretty daft!!

4 - 0 was my shout.

Kevin McCartney
84 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:07:39
If he sticks Osman on again he real is delusional, I mean what are we going to get out of this game 3 nil down, stick the young kids on, give them the experience, although we are so shit, we are going down next season!
Colin Hughes
85 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:08:17
Sunday could be the first time in our history that the players are booed ON to the field. Martinez will bare the brunt of the fans backlash but not one of them cunts is fit to wear the famous Royal blue.

Hope we have seen the last of Lukaku, Barkley, Stones etc etc etc after tonight.

Steve Davies
86 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:08:19
Very lucky we had the points on the board or he would have taken us down. This is an utter disgrace.

Turned us into a laughing stock has King Louie Kenwright and the phenomenal one.

Roll on Sunday. Then sack him.

Mike Anson
87 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:08:56
I've never seen a Blues team implode like this, surely Martinez must be gone by tomorrow latest.

John (#73) you're right – Moyes would never have tolerated such inept displays. Let's hope BK comes to his senses or we will be next season's Villa and Barcodes rolled into one.

Let's pray something is going on behind the scenes!!!

Tom Flower
88 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:09:27
Hopeless.
Paul Burns
89 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:09:28
According to the Echo, there are still people who him to remain in the job.
The mind boggles.
Jim Bennings
90 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:10:38
Get a new manager in and put the entire lot of these up for sale, ok they won't all get sold but we need to make a statement and say you are not good enough for Everton Football Club..

Massive massive changes needed from top to bottom at this club because for two season's it's merely sleepwalking into oblivion.

Kevin McCartney
91 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:10:59
I also wish we could play forward instead sideways and backwards, although we quite happily loose the ball doing that, oh first shot on goal after 57mins !

OMG we are so shit!

Ray Jacques
92 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:11:27
This is so embarrassing.
In 45 years of watching Everton this is as poor as I remember for effort .
Pennington has had our best two attempts which says it all really.
I would love to know whats happened to Barkley, the lad looks fat,bloated and cannot run . It I s as if his legs are stuck together or his boot laces are tied together.
Cleverley/Mc Carthy are non existent week in week out, only Barry performs in the midfield.
The whole thing is shambolic, each week I iask can it get any worse. well at least they don't disappoint on that one.
Andy Walker
94 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:12:48
John 73, no need to say 'hate to say it'. Moyes is ten times the manager Martinez is. Never has the term 'careful what you wish for' been more poignant.

That's not to say I want Moyes back BTW.

Christopher Dover
95 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:13:07
Cannot wait for the press conference after the game.
Andy Crooks
96 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:13:49
The Martinez legacy: relegate Newcastle and Norwich. His appointment, his inept management,his lies, his arrogance, his cretinous platitudes and his nice guy fake persona. The worst era in our history.

He does not deserve to walk away with an iota of respect. He has been hugely paid and has stolen his money. He is devoid of integrity.

Christy Ring
97 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:13:55
Disgraceful, no pride. Let's be honest Martinez picks the same formation every game, no shape whatsoever, the players have lost their confidence completely.
Jim Lloyd
98 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:14:00
I hope so Andy (63) but I'm also hoping Kenwright has no part in choosing our next manager....in fact, I hope he takes no further part in the running of our club, whatsoever.
Paul Burns
99 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:14:41
Many Everton fans are also to blame for the predicament of the club for being too blind or too stupid to see the obvious that has been going on for years. Even now.
Mark Ryan
100 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:15:17
They don't want to be injured for the Euros and are playing within themselves. You can see they are not trying. Embarrassing to be a blue.
Craig Walker
102 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:15:47
Defoe is 20 times the player Romelu is. "I want champions league football". I hope it's Amanda Holden modelling tomorrow's kit launch because these clowns shouldn't be in Everton blue next season. Not one of them! Baines might be "one of us" but he had been woeful for 2 seasons now. McCarthy doesn't win the ball. It's a myth. He gives it the nearest man. Stones. Get shut. Ross. Get shut. Cleverly, Robles, Niasse, Mirallas, Mori, lukaku, get shut. Start again with a top class manager.
Patrick Carty
103 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:15:56
Kevin (#84),

He doesn't have any kids on the bench, just the usual bunch we have seen all season.

Dave Older
104 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:15:58
Martinez needs to be fired before Sunday – otherwise we will witness scenes at Goodison Park like we have never seen before and I, for one, don't want to see that.

What a manager...

Andy Chafer
105 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:17:56
Disgraceful performance.
Andy Walker
106 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:18:29
I don't think he will Jim. I can't imagine Mosh will not have discussed with BK as part of their negotiations, who will make the key decisions in the future. Let's face it, if you are investing £100-£200 mil, you'll want control.
Ray Smith
107 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:20:27
John 73#

Moyes wouldn't have let it get to this.

The board will let Martinez see the season out, don't know why but that's the way we do things.

I've maintained my one man protest since the Southampton game and won't be there against Norwich!

That will be 3 home games I've missed this season, 2 because I refuse to attend and 1 for a wedding!!!

Kevin McCartney
108 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:20:55
1 win in 10 WTF says it all really, Evertons board members, get with the fkng program, if you're expecting the current team and manager to all of a sudden massively improve over the summer into a team challenging for honours next season, seriously think again, we are not shite we are fkng shit !!! beyond believe !
Jim Lloyd
109 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:20:55
Too right Andy, he's had the best introduction you could hope for, to see the Kenwright machine in action.
Mike Hughes
110 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:21:07
I'm just wondering if a deal has been struck between Martinez and EFC. Pure speculation on my part but what about:
–RM was quietly told some weeks ago that the game was up.
–The club will let him stay on until the end of the season to save face.
–But he must compromise hugely on pay-off.
Win-win all round given the season was a shambles some time ago?
It buys the new owner time to get the right candidate.
It allows RM some barely deserved dignity.


Andy Walker
111 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:22:33
Well done Ray! If only no one turned up for Norwich, can you imagine..
Niall McGurgan
112 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:22:40
People on here slagging off Moyes. At least his teams had professionalism and pride. At least he knew in order to be competitive the team needed to meet the physical challenge and battle of the PL and his players needed to be mentally tough.

There's been all sorts thrown at these players and manager by fans and media, rightly so, and yet there's been no reaction to the negative criticism, no pride in performance, no aggression to prove people wrong, no work ethic to try and get out of the mess the team is in.

There is a serious attitude and character problem in them players now. The next manager has one hell of a job on his hands.

Thanks Roberto. Thanks a lot!
Christopher Dover
113 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:24:18
What's with all the cost tomuch to get rid, the premier teams are awash with money, if he can spend £13.5 million on a useless forward then they can spend a few more to get rid of Martinez TONIGHT.
Mark Daley
114 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:25:06
Moshiri has bought a once-famous trading name and sod all else. Poor bastard. Poor us.
Paul Doyle
115 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:25:41
A table going spare at tomorrow nights awards (ha ha) dinner. I don't think Paella will be served, but I believe after desert we will all be pleasantly surprised!
Christopher Dover
116 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:26:41
Youth getting its chance now Osman coming on.
Kevin McCartney
117 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:26:57
Fk me here comes Osman......

what the fk for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Bennings
118 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:27:10
It's not even about the money now it's about self respect and saving some pride, we should do both all the support and Martinez himself a huge favour and end his stay here, there's no way he can walk around that pitch on Sunday, it's far from fair on the man.
Martin Middleton
119 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:27:16
Fightback starts, young Leon Osman is on!
David Oldfield
120 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:27:30
Osman on – we are saved.
Andy Walker
121 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:28:14
A few years with a clown managing us doesn't wipe out over 100 years of history and tradition Mark which is what underpins Everton Football Club. Our name isn't tarnished forever, I'm confident we'll come back much stronger next season and our reputation can start to be repaired.
David Cromwell
122 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:28:55
One flaw in your argument there Mike (#110).

This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.

Ray Smith
123 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:29:18
Kevin 84#

Are you psychic, Osman on?

Don't blame Ossie, loyal servant, but with 5 mins to go????

Ray Jacques
124 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:29:53
Bloody hell Kevin, you know nothing about football.!!
Osman is on to break up the play on the edge of our area, link the midfield with Lukaku, and score a hatrick to save the game.

Its obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stewart Lowe
125 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:30:05
Bye bye Martinez :)
John Wells
126 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:30:47
Everyone that uses this great site start emailing the official contact address for Everton Football Club and demand a new manager, seriously even if 50 of us do it right now it's something.

I hate to be beaten at anything, always a good loser but hate it, but I for the first time as a life long Everton fan am happy they have lost tonight as it must mean the end of this clown.

He should not be in Goodison Park, imagine the reception given to him and BOARD. The board need to get a lot of shit too.
Christopher Dover
127 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:31:32
Mind you he did say Mirralles would a Huge part in our season, just did not say he would wait until the last two games.
Rick Pattinson
128 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:32:28
Thank fxck this rot set in towards the latter of the season or we would be in Sunderland's position......absolute disgrace....all of em...bunch of girls....where's the fucking fight!!!!!!!??...get rid of the shite now....start afresh....this club needs tearing apart..
Dave Horne
129 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:32:37
It would be kinder to all parties if things were sorted out before Sunday.
Anything else is unthinkable?
Alex Mullan
130 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:33:28
There's hoping we underperform to get Martinez out and then there's this. It's a bit embaressing now, overall.

We are going to be relegated next season if this does not change.

David Oldfield
131 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:33:36
An Everton game with Kone man of the match.
Ray Smith
132 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:34:17
What more humiliation can we take this season.

Home defeat against relegated Norwich!!!

Mathew McKay
133 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:34:43
I feel like we've had the same conversations far too many fucking times. I simply cannot believe he is still our manager. Absolute embarrassment. Manager needs to go. Players need to go. And Kenwright needs to go. Leave Moshiri as the only one left to rebuild the club. Can't be any worse.
Kevin McCartney
134 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:35:52
Osman !!! OMG
Colin Hughes
135 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:36:30
Ray, Norwich may be out for our blood after not turning up tonight when they done their bit by beating Watford. Expect a non event on Sunday if they are not arsed.
Mike Hughes
136 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:36:39
David ~122

This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.

No argument from me.
I'm just scratching my head as to why the clown hasn't been sacked some time ago (i.e. last season).

Graham Mockford
137 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:36:40
Steve Davies
138 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:36:42
I cannot wait for his next excuse.
Gavin Johnson
139 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:38:13
So much for the big performance. We are so bad it's shocking. I hope this is sorted out before Sunday. It's embarrassing.

Well done to Sunderland. I'm looking forward to hearing the crying geordies on Talkshite.

Scott Hamilton
140 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:38:59
£13.5m for a guy who doesn't get played.

He must've been a drugs mule! Only the knowledge that he was stuffed full of cocaine with a street value in excess of £200m would make that transfer make any sense!

John Hall
141 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:39:53
What a manager Bill. Absolutely nobody playing for him. He lost it months ago. New name: "Bungalow Bill", got nothing upstairs! Ha ha he gets what he deserves. He has run the club into the ground and made 2 hundred million from it. Evertonian " MY ARSE" Greedy bastard.
Andy Crooks
142 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:44:56
Roberto should resign. If he he any pride, integrity, honour, or dignity he will. I suspect, though that he will hold on for his pay out. Now, it is time for Kenwright to show mercy and put the useless excuse for a coach out of his misery. It will be a mercy killing.

In my view, Martinez was the worst appointment in our history. Appointed by the worst custodian of our club in our history. Kenwright should sack Martinez and it will be one less fraudster at the club. Of course, if he was to go as well , then the stench would lessen quite a bit.

Phil Rodgers
143 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:44:59
Need to start fining the players for these performances. The entire club is rotten to the core. Sack them all!
Mike Moore
144 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:45:40
Done with talking, this is beyond embarrassing, no more needs to be said, I don't want to watch Everton anymore if this idiot (for idiot read BK and RM) remains in charge my 38 years of watching my beloved team will be over. Sad sad days, laughing stock.
Phil Rodgers
145 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:45:51
David ~122

This sort of performance is utterly devoid of dignity.

Succint. Bravo sir

Roger Helm
146 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:46:02
I'm not so much worried about the manager who will be gone soon but by the players - none of them, including Stones, Barkley and Lukaku, seem good enough.

Unless they are transformed by better coaching and conditioning, it seems we are going to have a relegation scrap next year - and we haven't any scrappers.

Martin Mason
148 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:46:56
The fraud and the fat controller have to go now. Neither is fit to run an EPL Club
Michala Pinnington
149 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:48:56
Never been so ashamed to be an Everton supporter, none of them deserve to wear a blue shirt again, they all looked tonight like they were all on there jollies with their big fat wage packets, get that poor excuse of a manager out!!
David Cromwell
150 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:49:45
Where to begin? That's as bad as I've ever seen us play. I didn't watch the derby or semi - spare myself the pain - but I've no doubt they were of a similar caliber to that. And that was truly truly bad,

Many of the players out there today deserve no credit at all. It was a lethargic, lazy, listless, lousy performance the likes of which I hope to never see again. In their similar looking kits one could have mistaken Sunderland for Athletico. That's how bad we were. We made Sunderland - 17th in the league - look like Simeones La Liga title chasers.

Truly truly dreadful. Once again we await comment from the club. I feel though that the rubicon has been crossed here. Martinez position is not only totally untenable, but he's making the boards increasingly difficult as well. Fingers crossed, announcement soon.

Ged Simpson
151 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:49:48
Sing

"And now the end is near"

James Stewart
152 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:50:14
Embarrassment to the league tonight. I expect to see Martinez has been sacked in the morning to preserve a scrap of dignity
Bobby Thomas
153 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:07
Martin Mason #148

Oh I know a fraud when I see one.

Terry McLavey
154 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:15
Didn't Benitez get sacked for coming 2nd !!
Jim Lloyd
155 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:27
I can't blame a man who's an employee. I blame the man who hired him. Losing whatever amount he would by resigning, isn't fair on him, no matter how bad he's become.

I take on board what you said Andy about the cost of sacking him maybe after the Liverpool Game but we might well have made most of any cost back, by getting to the final and getting a few places higher.

I don't see how there can be a lap of "appreciation" (what a daft ritual) on Sunday, it will just be a total embarrassment.

Andy Crooks
156 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:51
Imagine being a Newcastle or Norwich supporter depending on that pack of cowardly fuckers to put in an effort for you. Shit, utterly shit coach, coaching a bunch of shameless fuckers. A sad time to be an Evertonan.
Dean Rolstone
157 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:51:55
First of all I must start with the positives of the night, the barcodes and Rada are relegated facht.

The negatives everything else. It was an awful performance again, I know 94% of us agree Martinez should be gone but the last two matches our players attitude has been atrocious.

Yes they might not like the manager and there isn't anything for us to play for but we the fans deserve better from them. A number of these players need a massive kick up the arse or shipping out by the new manager or the current malaise will continue.

Please do the honourable thing and don't let Martinez be on the touchline on Sunday as things could get ugly and embarrassing if he is.

Phil Rodgers
158 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:52:56
Cowards from top to bottom.
Tony Draper
160 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:53:35
Enough.
Andy Crooks
161 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:53:39
Martin Mason, good post.
Norman Foley
162 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:53:50
From a team who are fighting relegation Big Sam says "it should have been 5 or 6 tonight".

Waiting for our manager's excuses.

Please tell me he's gone.

(Mike No. 110) I think your probably right.
Jeff Hough
163 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:54:03
It's now obvious that we can never win another game with Martinez in charge. So would getting rid now, with the chance of winning Sunday, be financially better than keeping him and losing any extra place Premier League dosh?
John Atkins
164 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:55:01
Keep checking the news if he had gone yet ?


I'd love to bump into him right now

Mick Davies
165 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:55:47
We didn't deserve to beat them 6-2 in the home game and tonight they took us to the cleaners . . a team that just missed relegation!!
Joe Clitherow
166 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:56:11
Shamed to be an Evertonian for the first time in my life tonight.

"Martinez assures Sunderland's rivals over crucial game"

Yeah. We could have assured them too. I apologise to Newcastle and Norwich (though I may sneak a grin at Rafa/Ashley going down in a less solemn moment)

Jim Bennings
167 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:56:15
Just....

GET ME A MANAGER AND PLAYERS THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THEY CARE AND ARE WILLING TO SHOW SOME PRIDE FOR THIS CLUB..

Embarrassment!!!!

Andy Walker
168 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:56:33
Jim, I agree with you, he should have gone after the derby. As now only one game to go and the nature of the last 2 performances may seal his fate sooner, but I do think he has survived until now because it saved us a few quid.
Dave Pritchard
169 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:56:43
Rafa relegated (hardly his fault). Rafa leaves Newcastle and replaces Martinez. Result.
Gary Mortimer
170 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:57:40
How can anybody not be impressed with our intensity and desire in the last 4 minutes? Surely it means RM must be given a contract extension . . . that team spirit in the face of the phenomenal play from the relegation fodder.
Colin Glassar
171 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:57:58
No post-mortems necessary. We are shite. Full stop.
Andrew Clare
172 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:58:11
I actually feel sorry for Martinez that he has to be put through this situation. It has been apparent for a long time now that he is not capable of managing a club like Everton.He should have been sacked long ago.
The real problem at our club is a total lack of leadership at the top and until Kenwright goes the future will continue to look very bleak.
Clive Lewis
173 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:58:53
I am confident that its already aggred that Roberto's last game will be Sunday I expect an announcement before Friday end of day.
If this does not happen I will watch the game on Sunday in my pants.
Bob Skelton
174 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:59:09
Rehearsing 'Roberto Martinez get out of our club' for Sunday. Getting some tennis balls as well
Jay Wood
175 Posted 11/05/2016 at 21:59:31
In the first 10 years of PL we registered less than 50 points over the season 6 times.

In 11 years under Moyes, just once.

We had not gone under 50 points in the season for 10 consecutive seasons until RM's second season.

Roberto Martinez will achieve 2 consecutive sub-50 seasons, whatever the result against Norwich on Sunday.

Phenomenal progress.

Gary Willock
176 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:00:15
"Right lads we need to change things up. We're going 4231. Barry and Macca, you 2 are holding. Clev, going to use you as a false winger. Luk, you up top holding buddy, Barcs, do your magic, but take it easy on that work shite....someone else can sort that!"

What did Einstein say about people who do the same fucking things and expect different results? Same thing that applies to us for putting up with this shite. Angry beyond words!

Tell the whole first team to go on holiday now. Tell the 'superstars' to get whatever it is they want to do out of the way early. Play the meaningless last game (thank fook!) with the kids and let's give a new Everton a new welcome.

Andy Walker
177 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:00:57
Dave, agree, I would like to see Rafa as our manager. Mind you if that happened there would probably be a load of fans posting 'he got his last team relegated just like Martinez'.
Rick Tarleton
178 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:00:59
Andrew, in 2002 I posted an article about "Billy Liar" and his fantasy world. We are fourteen years later and Tony Marsh and I are the occasional commenters from those days and nothing has changed. he's running the club, despite the change of ownership for his own ego.
Dave Lynch
179 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:18
Noticeably he hasn't given a post match interview yet?
Bob Cumiskey
180 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:21
Shocking!! 3-0 at Sunderland!

No more please, he must go tonight!

Surely even the 6 percent agree now.
Steavey Buckley
181 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:24
It is very hard to blame the rest of the team when Barkley's inept performance allowed Sunderland into the game by continuously giving the ball away in midfield which led to the first goal.

In the second half, Barkely should have been subbed and Cleverley moved into midfield - the wrong player substituted.

David Milner
182 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:47
Absolute disgrace, can't say any more.
Clive Lewis
183 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:02:56
Rafa he slated our club belittled us called our team small. Not only that he is an ex redshite. Please have some respect.
Anto Byrne
184 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:03:31
Martinez was down that tunnel like a rat up a drainpipe.
Barry Pearce
185 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:03:45
I don't think mr moshiri, has got enough money to put us back on track.

Although Martinez isn't nowhere near good enough to manage our club. The players need to take a long hard look at themselves. They were embarrassing tonight.
Let's hope we have the funds to give the new manager as he has major surgery to perform.

Dave Lynch
186 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:04:17
Steavey. Barkley was subbed at half time
Andy Walker
187 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:04:41
That's brave Rick, bringing Tony Marsh into the discussion as a way of validating your position. His ludicrously bad judgement about how much better Martinez would be compared to Moyes is recorded many times in his past posts. He hasn't a clue.
John Davies
188 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:04:56
New Chairman, manager and players required. What a fucking shambles. Kenwright and Martinez have destroyed the club. WANKERS !!
Jim Lloyd
190 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:05:00
May well have Andy. On reflection though, I think we've lost an awdul lot more by keeping him. The players look like ghosts of their former selves. Mind you, I think it's shown one or two up who need shipping out asap.

Whatever, that's in the past and many, many supporters are so bitterly disillusioned now with the club, that something drastic has to happen now. Even if we don't get to here of it for a time, something, fundamental needs to happen.

Some believe Mr Moshiri is just a patsy that Kenwright has kidded into funding his dreams of glory (for him, like) I'm not so sure. We need a thorough sweeping out of Kenwright and his cronies before any progress at all can take place at Everton Football Club.

Neil Lawson
191 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:06:19
I streamed the game and got a great picture but no sound. Probably good preparation for an empty Goodison on Sunday. Absolutely no point in going unless there is an opera singer and free pizza.
Andy Walker
192 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:06:39
That's right Clive and you know what I don't give a fuck, he's a fine manager. Of course we could stick with a manager who massages the hopes and egos of our fans by talking fantasist shite and delivering nothing.
Dean Peamum
193 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:07:52
From January 2002 until 2013 when RM took over Everton had played Sunderland 19 times in PL and Cup games.

W14 D5 L0

Since RM took over

W2 D1 L4

Karl Meighan
194 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:08:07
How could it possibly be saving money by waiting until the seasons end to sack Martinez, a couple of wins from a new manager could have moved the Club up the table with what is it about a million for every place thats not saving the Club money.
Clive Lewis
195 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:09:02
Barry remember Leicester. Its not all about money that was a smokescreen. Its about commitment , hard work and togetherness. I would like to see a manager with those attributes.

Martinez has none of these qualities, when you look at Raniery he has the quality, would like Mancini I think he could do it for us.

Ian Riley
196 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:09:06
I think Martinez will be gone tomorrow. Makes no sense to leave it after Sunday. It could have been five or six against a side fighting to stay in the league tonight.

A new start should happen from tomorrow. Let the fans attend Sunday knowing a new start is coming. A new dawn must come.

Ray Smith
197 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:09:27
Colin 135#

You can't get blood from a stone.

Anemia sums us up. The blood has been drained out of all of us.

Transfusion required, otherwise!!!

Mick Davies
198 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:10:13
I don't want Benitez; he inherited a great side from Houllier, who was too sick to reap the rewards he sown. Then he gets sacked everywhere else. He can't be blamed for relegation but the Villa game doesn't cover his reign in glory
Andy Walker
199 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:10:37
Too bigger points gap between us and teams above us to move up more than maybe one place Karl.
David Edwards
200 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:13:00
I can't add anything more to what we've saying for months now. Forget tennis balls and walk-outs on Sunday. I think we need to take heed of Arnold Rimmer's protest plan from 'Polymorph' - Red Dwarf III:

"
Let's get tough! The time for talking is over. Call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit (the board) hard and hit it fast with a major -- and I mean major -- leaflet campaign, and while it's reeling from that, we'd follow up with a whist drive, a car boot sale, some street theatre and possibly even some benefit concerts. OK? Now, if that's not enough, I'm sorry, it's time for the T-shirts: "Martinez Out" ... "Inept Managers! No Thanks" ...
and if that's not enough, well, I don't know what will be."

Sorry if you don't know the TV clip - but I need something to make me smile - until the clown does depart!

Matthew Mackey
201 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:13:34
Roberto Martinez has taken us backwards since David Moyes. he therefore has to go, no argument, end off. (nothing more to say)
Clive Lewis
202 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:13:56
Sky sports interview says to me he has gone. They need to make an announcement but pretty clear going on the body language etc.
John Atkins
203 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:14:17
He hasn't made a post math interview


He must be writing his resignation speech ,,,,,, surely ?

Martin Middleton
204 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:14:17
Martinez – "Pleased with the effort and intent of the players in tonight's game"... What game was he watching!
Tommy Coleman
205 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:14:22
"I'm pleased with the performance"

Even now, at the end, he still lacks the ruthlessness to bollock the players.

Danny Broderick
206 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:14:51
He's got to go tomorrow. If he is still in charge on Sunday, shall we all walk out at half time?
Dan Aspinall
207 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:16:17
In his interview he was asked if he thinks he'll be in charge on Sunday? He said "that's not a question."

It clearly is.

What a fucking mess!

John Atkins
208 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:16:20
I haven't seen an interview

Tell me you are winding me up ?


Did he say he was pleased ? Is this a wind up ?

Rob Coles
209 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:16:22
Martinez now on BBC R5LIVE
Gary Hughes
210 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:17:03
Just looking at the Prem table and I don't know who is playing who on Sun but we could finish 16th.
Brent Stephens
214 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:17:35
Haha. Barkley fault. Brilliant, Steavey.
Bob Heyward
215 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:17:58
The darkest hour is before the dawn...

Jim Lloyd
216 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:19:03
If there is no statement before the game on Sunday!

What about us all leaving our seats in the 78th minute?

Norwich won't be put at risk, so we'll not be in any danger of altering who's going down.

Brian Stoney
217 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:19:12
Nice man... job too big. Players a gang of phoneys... no effort or passion for the blue shirt! Tossers.
Rob Coles
218 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:19:18
Thoroughly satisfying............Big Sam............NOT MARTINEZ.............usual bull from him......chances late on we could have won it
Christy Ring
219 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:20:25
Enough is enough, time for change is long overdue. Moshiri has to step up now, get rid of the dead wood, and start afresh.
It's time to say GOODBYE to Kenwright, Elstone, and Martinez + his backroom staff.
Anthony Manning
220 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:22:51
I agree with Danny, if he's not gone by Sunday let's make our protest a half time walk out.
Jim Bailey
221 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:22:55
Dave @169
Hopefully.
Colin@171 absolutely
Just please get rid of Kenwright and Martinez from my ( our club)
Not enough space on forums like this to catalogue EFC'S failings the last two years.
I can't honestly think of one player on show tonight that would be worthy of a regular place.
Lukaku, absolute joke since the Chelsea quarter final, would be astounded if any champions league club would look at the lazy bastard twice.
Ditto Barrkley, just who the fuck does he think he is? Oh yeah I remember, a "youngster in a phenomenal moment".
Embarrasing doesn't even come close.
Come on Moshiri, do something
Patrick Murphy
222 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:23:15
John (203) "He hasn't made a post math interview", that's because he'll need to be a qualified mathematician to work out the number of chances his team has allowed our opponents in our last few games.
Sandra Williams
223 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:23:33
Better to be Managerless than have Roberto there on sunday but if he is then I'm with you Danny #206. In fact I'll take the short-cut down and throw myself off the Top Balcony!
Jason Barker
225 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:24:06
His position now is completely untenable. The board need to end it now, it's unfair on everyone.
John Keating
226 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:24:30
I wanted him out early doors last season
It has continued to go downhill since.
I totally gave up before the Bournemouth game and given the choice of the game or a prolonged holiday took the later.
Still abroad and will remain so until the seasons finished so I cannot go the match even if I wanted too.
It's like a protest with fringe benefits !
Disgusted and embarrassed to be a Blue
Joseph Terrence
227 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:25:02
I think we ought to wait and see how the season finishes, our final position, and then make judgement. If all the results go our way we may well finish as high as 12th - a phenomenal platform on which to base a strong offseason on.
Tony Dove
228 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:25:10
Joe@166 why did you miss Saturdays game? This though was probably worse. Don't think there was one booking in the match which sums it
all up really. Trying to think positively for next season at least we know
a new goalkeeper is essential.
Gordon Crawford
229 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:25:27
He says in his post match interview that "I'm please with the effort, and with the intent of the players".
Crazy just crazy.
He looks like a jaded and beaten man, time to go Roberto. I don't expect him to be in the job by the morning.
Shane Corcoran
230 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:26:42
Ah lads, his interview looked like a man that wanted to be put out of his misery. Pleased with the effort? He'll talk himself out of ever getting another job at this rate.
Les Netherwood
231 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:26:50
Another dreadful performance. Barkley as usual walking about and giving the ball away. Lukaku isolated but crap also, and Stones going sideways and backwards all the time.

This has to stop now, Everton are becoming a laughing stock. Get him out now!!

Pete Ellingham
232 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:26:53
Apparently he was pleased with the intent of the players???? I am assuming he was talking about the ones in red and white as none of us looked like we were interested in showing any fight, desire, hunger, passion, pride!!
Karl Parsons
233 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:27:20
Time to stop all the fucking talking. If the clown is still in charge Sunday what are we gonna do about it? The 78 minute walk out is the best I've heard so far. My idea would be to sit on the road and block the directors car park. Would only take a couple of hundred of us to park our arses at the entrance to the car park to cause chaos and make our point before the game.
Mike Green
234 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:27:20
A few knee jerk reactions on here tonight fellas...
Chris Kelly
235 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:27:58
Alex Neil at Norwich takes responsibility for them going down. Lesson to learn Roberto.
Colin Gee
237 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:29:16
So Martinez expected a reaction after Saturday... Did anyone see one? because I didn't!

Same old shit, for once I was glad to be watching on a dodgy stream on the PC and not there, but fair play to those Everton fans that went. Normally when I can't go I am kicking every ball and shouting at the computer, tonight I just couldn't be arsed.... I just sat there thinking this could end up five or six, I am glad I have been at work and never bothered swapping a shift so I could go... That's what he has done, going to the match is now a chore.

He should be sacked tonight and be made to make his own way back from the North East, even the fact that we relegated Benethus and the Geordies doesn't make it any more palatable.

John Jones
238 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:30:44
Well a major over haul is on the horizon his summer.

A new manager and whole new backroom team.

Goalkeeper
Right Back
Centre Back x2
Left Back
Central Midfielder
Left Winger
Number 10
Striker x2

Better get that cheque book out Farhad, shit just got messy.

Tony Hill
239 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:30:54
Get a new manager and watch these same players, or most of them, be transformed. We see it time and time again. Judgment of individual members of the team in the present toxic climate is redundant; they're just not playing for a broken Martinez.

Well done, Bill, carry on.

Jay Wood
240 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:31:07
Lifted from the BBC live feed:

"Jermain Defoe breaks through the Everton defence - a pony carrying a cart would have the pace to do that tonight."

Oh, joy ...

Ste Traverse
241 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:31:36
Clive #183.

Jesus, Rafa had a pop at us nearly a decade ago and people are still cry-arsing about it. Get over it.

We slag them off all the time. Let's not be hypocrites.

Tony Dove
243 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:32:37
Mike @234. Depends on your age really.For anyone over 50 odd a knee jerk equates to a long thought out opinion and therefor more likely to be accurate
Gordon Crawford
244 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:33:11
Now we are being linked with Brendan Rodgers. Someone is having a laugh at our expense.
Gavin Johnson
245 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:33:51
It's a good job Moshiri took the plunge and invested a few months back. I can't imagine things being any worse than they are right now...But they most certainly would have been had the status quo remained.

The glimmer of hope is the potential stellar signings which is the only positive I'm clinging onto. Also, It wouldn't be the likes of De Boar and Pellegrini putting themselves in the frame for the soon to be vacant job. We'd be competing with Villa, and Newcastle (once Rafa goes to Valencia) for Nigel Pearson and David Moyes. It would be like jumping into Michael J Fox's Delorean DMC and going back to 2002 after Walter Smith was sacked.

In Moshiri we trust....

Mike Green
246 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:33:54
John - I think the moment Moshiri came in the players knew it was the end of Martinez and have just fast-tracked him out of the exit. They might need to be careful what they wish for...
Stephen High
247 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:34:11
'Pleased with the intent of the players', what, to chase the fuckin ball around? Well done elite sportsmen for that level of intent, you've done yourselves proud.

Andy Meighan
248 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:34:31
Norwich and Newcaste didn't get relegated because of Everton tonight, they got relegated because the pair of them have been shite all season and anyone coming on here calling that fat Spaniard Rafa needs to take a long hard look at themselves. I swear if that thing comes anywhere near Goodison I'd burn the place down.

As for that shambles tonight, did anyone expect anything else? Torn to bits at times by a side who have been in the bottom 3 all season. There's not one player in that side Id keep. The lot of them are shite, every last one of them. If he is to get sacked – and knowing the cabbage patch doll its a big if – a new gaffer has got one massive job on his hands.

If Kenwright had any balls hed let him go tomorrow and save him and his family the indignity of having to face a very nasty irate bunch on Sunday. But we all know Kenwright hasn't got any balls and I doubt this Moshiri is all he's cracked up to be as well. They don't give a fuck about us. Getting sacked, my arse.
Mike Moore
249 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:34:53
#234 fucking knee jerk mike, what's your plan then mate?
Jim Lloyd
250 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:35:01
Mike, Knee jerk reactions? I think most fans who have posted on here have been very reserved.

It is fairly obvious that on here at least, the consensus is there is something fundamentally flawed in the club.

Liverpool fans walked out because of proposed increase in prices.

I think Everton fans are very much concerned that there is a lot more than the cost of tickets at issue for Everton Football Club.

I think I will walk down to the concourse at the 78th minute. I don't want to boo R/M if he's strill in a job and I don't want to boo the players. I'd boo Kenwright mind, as I think he's damaged this club more than anyone in the last decade and a half.

Ian Hanes
252 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:35:25
Is this the worst Everton team in history?
Just seen the goals on BBC...38 years an Evertonian. Brought up on tales of Dean, Vernon, Young, Labour, the trinity ..before seeing the team of the 80's. Someone please but back the lights on at Goodisoj when we have a new manager. This hurts.

Mike Green
253 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:35:46
I take your point Tony - Martinez Out!!!
Paul Conway
254 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:36:01
We absolutely mauled them with possesion. do those Makems not realise that posession is 9/10ths of the law?
John Keating
255 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:36:59
Have to agree with Phil McNulty on the BBC
Bobby has to go before Sunday
No doubt the Echo wankers will stay on the fence as they have done the past 2 seasons then when he finally goes take the credit for him leaving
For a local rag the Echo and the pricks who apparently support Everton are a fucking disgrace
Jim Bailey
256 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:38:12
Ste@241

I agree totally. It's mind games and Rafa was pretty good at it. I would have him at Goodison Park tomorrow.

Mike Green
257 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:38:17
(For the benefit of the tape it was a bit of light-hearted sarcasm......)
Kev Johnson
258 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:38:40
I thought the early 80s were bad, this load of shite takes the piss. So we all attend Sunday, what's the way to vent one's anger at the shite we've had served this year? As some have said, it's not the Everton way to demonstrate.
Well if we don't let this useless bastard of a board know that we as a club our not taking this shite anymore. We to will join the Barcodes and the Villa.

Will be interesting to see what's going to happen on Sunday. Martinez you are deluded, take your coaching clowns with you and do one.
Eddy Bernard
259 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:39:27
Craig Walker @102 Spot on Martinez must go but don't expect any new manager to turn things round completely with that squad, There's an old saying you cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and its never been more true than now.

Most of those players are greatly overated and I wouldnt guarantee any of them a place in the team. None of them deserve any awards which makes the players evening tomorrow a disgrace.

Fans should leave the match 5 mins from the end on Sunday and leave the ground empty for the so called lap of honour

John Audsley
260 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:39:52
Ian

Is it hell the worst team in history!

A number of 90's players would make that team.

It's been managed by one of the worst managers in history.

MARTINEZ OUT

Matt Butlin
261 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:40:11
I can see the Everton board now...


“You must understand, young Hobbit, it takes a long time to say anything in Old Entish. And we never say anything unless it is worth taking a long time to say.”

Andy Walker
262 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:41:23
John what the Echo prints will have no bearing on what Mosh wants to do and that will be to fire Martinez. The only unknown is when.

Never understood why the Echo's view is seen as so important. It's a local rag, that's all.

Brian Abbott
264 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:41:53
I honestly don't know where to start. I can't remember when I last saw my team in such a mess and I've been following since 1970. I've seen some shite but never shite without a rudder. Roberto has proved himself a busted flush. He fluked the FA cup but proved how good he was by getting Wigan relegated. I can't bare the thought that he will do the same to my glorious club

I've seen a good team reduced to a bunch of absolute plonkers who find it hide to string a few passes together and move forward about as fast as an arthritic slug.

But what is to happen? In the least RM HAS TO GO!! There is no alternative! He has lost both the fans and probably the team. He disappeared down the tunnel tonight like a rat up a drain-plpe.

There are alternatives out there. Everyone is talking about them. But the most frightening thought I had tonight was that too many of our players were nowhere near good enough!!

Fucking hell!! What has this muppet done to my team! I'm really afraid for next season unless some significant changes are installed.

The next man really needs to know what our motto means. NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMO. NOTHING BUT THE FUCKING BEST IS GOOD ENOUGH!!!

Graham Mockford
267 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:42:12
He's gone!! Sky Sports
Mike Green
268 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:43:03
Graham!
Graham Mockford
269 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:43:06
Apologies false alarm and on my feed
Colin Glassar
270 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:43:58
Show some mercy BPB and put this man, and us, out of his agony. Why prolong this suffering any further? Are you so cruel hearted? And while you're at it, clear your own drawers out and sod off!!
Andy Walker
271 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:44:10
Get your coat Graham 😉
Colin Glassar
272 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:45:08
Tomorrow morning Graham, BK needs his beauty sleep first.
Shane Corcoran
273 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:45:36
Carragher got as close as Sky will allow one of their pundits to "swear".

Quinn said that Kone kept Lukaku quiet and Carragher says "Lukaku kept himself quiet, Jesus Christ".

I have to say, I think Carragher is excellent.

Oh yeah.............sack Martinez.

Joe O'Brien
274 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:46:12
Totally agree John. This is a good team managed by a bad manager...and I wouldn't want Rafa near our team...ffs would people really want him instead of RDB or Koeman?
Don Alexander
275 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:46:22
Andy Crooks (#67) aside, did anyone at all expect anything different tonight?

Martinez couldn't find a win if it was three inches wide and inserted a foot up his own rectum.

Peter Carpenter
276 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:47:55
I suppose it's only fair to give him a lift home and sack him tomorrow. I wouldn't leave anyone in Sunderland overnight.
Conor Skelly
278 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:49:52
Just heard a Newcastle fan on Talk-sport. He's was talking about how the Newcastle fans drove Pardew out following a poor run of form and how despite the change of manager nothing changed. Morale could be so damaged at this stage that an unknown appointment could backfire. Bring Moyes Back.
Michael Polley
279 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:50:15
I was at the game, but I don't know why. It is so obvious the players do not want to play for that Spainish tosser. Sack him in the morning. I'll be checking Sky Sports first thing tomorrow.
Andy Walker
280 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:50:41
Joe based on the evidence of past performance then Rafa is streets ahead. Lets not fall into the same trap as when Martinez was appointed.

De Boer in particular would be a total gamble.

Colin Glassar
281 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:50:57
My thoughts exactly Peter, you can't sack someone before they even get on the bus home. Sunderland is like something out of the walking dead when it gets dark
Kunal Desai
282 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:51:01
He'll be gone tomorrow. Awards night should be cancelled and Bill should follow Martinez out of the club once and for all.
Bob Heyward
283 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:51:11
Wanting El Clown out is not knee jerk - some of us have been calling for it since last January.

That said, I think the sudden push for a 'demo' smacks of being over the top - he will surely be gone as soon as it is contactually advantageous, i.e. if a break clause kicks in at the end of the season.

Call me an optimist but I feel the the squad has talent and youth. With the right manager, I think we will see the current lack of chemistry and defensive coaching quickly resolved. And if that manager is an inspirational name, known for winning - heck, the feared exodus might not be as bad as we fear (with the exception of Stones and Rom', though I'd argue that at the right price, they're replaceable). Add a few good players with Moshiri's loot and, hey-presto, we're off again.

Let's keep our heads, continue to be a positive advert for our great Club that our future manager will be impressed by, and then see where we are in the week after Norwich. If Martinez is here as we approach the transfer window, then fair enough, it will be time to kick off. But I somehow don't think he will be.

Joe O'Brien
284 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:51:11
Now people want Moyes back.... Christ almighty..
John Keating
287 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:54:14
Andy
The thing is the fucking Echo is quick enough when it has anything to do across the Park but when it's us ......well let's just see how it pans out eh ?
When the Blue Union was advocating change, which now many allude too regarding Kenwright, they weren't interested.
Kenwright is the ultimate reason we are the embarrassment we are.
Had these shitholes at the Echo even given some sort of exposure to the concerns of the BU maybe, possibly, we mat not be in this situation.
The Echo is what it is, a local rag owned by a multi national that doesn't give two shits about the locals.
What really pisses me off though is that it's Everton correspondents also couldn't give a shit about its locals

By the way if I were a Norwich or Newcastle fan tonight I would be looking at taking our wasters to court on the trade descriptions act !

Joe Clitherow
288 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:54:52
Knee jerk reaction has to be a wind up.

Here's the plan:

1. Sack Martinez
2. Everything else goes on an upwards trajectory from there

Chris Gould
289 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:55:27
Shame on Bill if he doesn't put the poor guy out of his misery before the weekend. I personally don't want to see him abused. He clearly cares and wants to succeed. His position is untenable. I'd rather every fan just stays away from the match. An empty stadium would get the point across. It's not as if it's fun to watch anyhow.
Peter Carpenter
290 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:55:45
...on the other hand Chelsea did it to Ancelotti at Goodison......
Joe O'Brien
292 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:57:10
Andy in fairness De Bore's results in Holland weren't too bad 4 league titles in 5 years...His style of play, willingness to blood young players, a great backroom staff..could even nab some of their best players... Rafa would always see us as inferior to that lot. It would sicken me to see him in charge of us.
Andy Walker
293 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:57:30
Ha! ha! John. I know some Newcastle fans and I tried to warn them....

Take you point about the Echo. Think now we have Mosh though we can rise above the Echo's lack of interest and BK will be out to pasture.

Andy Crooks
294 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:57:39
Just got a text from a friend and collegue who is a life long Newcastle supporter. "Thanks", that was it. Well, every club's fate is in their own hands but the FA should take a look at the shameful shite that those rich wankers served up tonight. They cheated.


Dave Abrahams
295 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:57:44
I don't think many on here are surprised by the result or the performance tonight,what is very surprising and disturbing is the way the collapse of the team over the last couple of months has been allowed to get worse match after match without anyone from the club doing anything about it.

Kenwright is the chairman, he has actually praised the manager and just let him carry on regardless, when all this is sorted out a lot of explaining needs to be done about what has gone on the last couple of months and why the whole situation was allowed, it is really beyond belief that it could happen at such a big business.

Colin Glassar
296 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:58:22
Ste 241, he repeated it a few years ago and a few days ago was asked about it and refused to deny it. It's his decision if he sees us as a "small club" and he's welcome to it, just as long as the fat fuck stays well away from Goodison.
Iain Johnston
297 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:58:47
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35733486

Post match interview on bbc... Can he actually be for real?

Andy Walker
298 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:59:25
Yea Joe but McLaren even won the Dutch league!
Iain Latchford
299 Posted 11/05/2016 at 22:59:45
The club are making themselves look like total arseholes by not sacking him.

Kenwright makes me sick. He'd be gushing all over the place if we were doing well. Now he's vanished. The bloke is a complete wanker.

Anthony Jones
300 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:00:36
What's the rush? Let him play the final match and then bid him farewell. He can take his travelling circus with him too. Football managers do a hell of a lot that isn't seen by us. Better to not humiliate the guy to ease the transition.
Philip Yensen
301 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:01:24
No superlatives left to comment on the team and the manager. Next manager, Sam Allardyce. Why not? Sorts the defensive side out, gets them fit, gets them playing as a team. More often than not he does it with someone else's shit.

Sack Martinez and we have a full ground on Sunday, keep him and the stadium could be empty.
Mike Green
302 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:02:24
Wonder if he'll be there Sunday Iain.....could be a bit hot in the Directors box.
Jimmi James
303 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:02:52
Has anyone thought the unthinkable and RM is not sacked after the Norwich game? The general feeling is that he will go after that game but what if he is still manager the week after and we have no more chances to make our feelings clear?

It's frightening but possible.
Barry Thompson
304 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:03:14
Peter@276 -- Fuck being fair, sack the twat and the other 2 muppets tonight and they can all thumb a lift home if they don't want to pay for a taxi.
Christopher Marston
305 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:05:38
“Goals play a big part in deciding these sort of games and the first goal was a disappointing action from us.
This guy knows how the game works,
Iain Latchford
306 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:05:44
Mike, he can pay 20 naked virgins to wave fans at him with the £22m he's pocketed.
Eddie Dunn
307 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:05:52
Saw the RM interview- he looked totally confused, mumbling about the three points and a winning feeling against Norwich on Sunday. In denial I suppose.
He needs sacking to save even more embarrassment, it is just too awful to watch him. I knew we'd lose, I said on another thread 3-1, it was obvious, with our right back problems and total lack of fight that we wouldn't be able to cope with a team in good form fighting for survival.

A few signs of fight in the last 30 mins, but far too late.

This should be the end.

Peter Laing
308 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:06:00
I watched the post match interview on the BBC and Martinez looked resigned to losing his job following the last game of the season against Norwich. He knows he's gone and when asked about the summer all he could muster was a weak comment about the final game. I suspect that his contract will be terminated on the 1st of June and a replacement lined up and unveiled.
Christopher Marston
309 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:07:47
Needs to be done now.
Nick Entwistle
310 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:07:56
As with the Leicester match I tuned in online to watch the other side's occasion. Irrelevant it was against Everton. That's how much I care right now. Go. Just GO!
Joe O'Brien
311 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:09:03
Andy the only reason he would manage us is that they've already got a manager and he's got a house in the area. We'd be always 2nd best in his eye's. For those reasons alone I wouldn't want him. That's even before we talk about what goes on on the pitch. Other than when they poxed the final against Milan I don't think he's been that great. Better than RM for sure, but in fairness that's not that hard
Les Martin
312 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:09:28
Despite Mr Mitties positive spin on Sky, the BBC text service called it right, they called Evertons performance "dire", that sums up most of the season too.
Keith Harrison
313 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:10:00
Jamie Carragher should replace Graham Jones immediately, regardless of when Roberto is jettisoned. He would sort the defence out and he is still, at heart, an Evertonian. Him and Big Nev on the backroom staff, with a top coach/manager coming in would send us right back up there.
Colin Malone
314 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:10:08
Bobby, if you're still there on Sunday, I will be leaving before the lap of honour because, like many other Evertonians I am not going to slag a nice man with good intentions.

But lets hope in the future, in your case Bobby, you learn, its a team game at every level. Not my way or no way.

Good luck Bobby Boy.
Ron Sear
315 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:11:09
Probably not a very good idea to take children to the match on Sunday, unless of course they want to join the army or take part in a Roman Colosseum role play.
Ste Traverse
316 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:11:16
He couldn't deny what he said back 2007 Colin because he did say it after a derby

So where did Benitez repeat it a few years ago. Post me the link...if you can.

I find it pathetic that some still go on about comment from 9 fucking years ago considering some of the stuff we all say about LFC. Hypocritical. What goes around etc etc.

No ambition. Decades without a trophy. Stadium falling to bits. Flogging quality players. A totally useless board and many fans who accept all this....maybe he had a point....???

Stu Barnes
317 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:15:38
Absolute garbage. How much longer must we endure this utter dross? Can't believe I've renewed my season ticket, it makes no sense on so many levels.

Our board are cowards. Sack him, put Unsy in charge for the last game and play the kids, give us something to cling to over summer. It's so bad, I've so little interest, I'm even contemplating getting into cricket.
Christy Ring
319 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:19:48
If BK has any decency, he should get Martinez to step down before next Sunday, and join him in solidarity.
I find it baffling that some of the fans on here, want Benitez to be our next manager. I'm more than happy to see him in the Championship.
Koeman (1), De Boer (2).
Jimmi James
320 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:20:13
Historically we are a HUGE club however given the last few years and the current situation plus results, soundbites and general lack of ambition I'm afraid to say fellas we are at present a small club.
So please stop it with Benitez calling us small and hope he would even consider us. Personally I don't think we will get any of the big names bandied about here and thats if RM does go.
Damian Wilde
321 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:21:32
"We want to get that winning feeling back."
Gavin Johnson
322 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:22:02
I actually feel sorry for Martinez. I couldn't fault his ambition and belief which worked in his favour in his 1st season. I never ever felt that positive being an Evertonian under Moyes reign.

Unfortunately the 1st season was the honeymoon period and once he fully integrated his rigid philosophy he was found out. He just isn't the tactical genius many of us thought he was. He should have been let go after 'the defining week'. For BK to keep this charade going for any longer is just embarrassing for all parties.

Dave Abrahams
323 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:26:09
Christy (319), to be honest it will seem like an anti climax when Martinez is put out of his misery ( his huge pay off will ease his misery) because it should have happened weeks ago.
Colin Glassar
324 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:26:34
2011 Ste, I read it this morning and I'll try and find it. He also refused to apologise over the weekend apparently.

I know it might sound petty but the guy is a rs through and through and I, personally, don't want him at our club.

Kerry Frahm
325 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:27:32
@TransferPosts just tweeted Martinez is out, De Boer leading the way to take charge.... If only!
Peter Carpenter
326 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:28:05
You lost that winnin' feelin'
Whoa, that winnin' feelin'
You lost that winnin' feelin'
Now your gone, gone, gone, woh

Don Alexander
327 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:31:21
I've said on other threads in the last day or two that the problems for the new guys, Moshiri and a manager, are immense. The players are soft, have had no sort of winning mentality for years, are bereft of leaders amongst themselves, and are blatantly unfit, which in the case of the younger ones calls into question their innate aptitude to even become sufficiently fit.

So, why the hell would it be good idea to appoint such a bloke as the FSW who is already minted for life, has done everything he's ever gonna do in football, lives a stones' throw from Finch Farm. and would be over the fuckin moon to get a ginormous contract to make even his distant descendants minted for their lives, whilst all the while destroying from within the club he openly derided?

There's no guaranteed path to success but there's very clear paths to disaster and Martinez Mews is a path we've already been forced to tread in that direction. Bullshit Boulevard, Complacency Crescent, and Average Avenue are not paths we should now be seeking out as an alternative.

We need Ruthless, Rational, Relentless Road..........but does any fucker on the board know how to read the signs?

Steve Bingham
328 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:31:29

I just hope and pray that Mr Moshiri truly understands how hugely significant he is to the future of our club and desperately wants to build a lasting legacy that starts with dragging the mindset of our board into the modern day.
This coming summer is so huge for EFC and unfortunately the responsibility rests entirely on his shoulders as we all know that the other "gentlemen" of the board can only be described as utterly spineless and totally uncaring about the club at all. There is no other conclusion (except possibly that they are only there to line their own pockets) we can arrive at by their lack of design,decision and action these past umpteen years.

Yes, most definitely Mr Kenwright should be lauded for saving us from the hamper king clown all those years ago BUT now is most definitely the time to let go and allow the biggest decisions to be made by another. We know and accept that this utter debacle cannot be solved over a few summer months but please please give us a bit of hope by showing true intent, drive and ambition and bring in a manager who at the very least will strive to shed this horrible "plucky Everton " tab and make us competitive on the park which then will give us all a bit of pride in the badge back. Over to you, Mr Moshiri!!

Jim Lloyd
329 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:33:38
He should have been dismissed weeks ago. yes, that he should. It isn't for him to stand down and lose whatever the contract defines.

The man has tried his best and isn't up to it. To me he looks crushed and Kenwright shows all the compassion of a friggin mate of his who's just buggered off out the club. Martinez will only get what any one of us would expect, and that's what's in his contract.

Christy, I don't think Kenwright has any decency if it affects him whatsoever.

John Louis Jones
331 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:34:13
read almost 200 comments on here.

we all think the same.

However ripping Barkley is not fair. Martinez has played that kid like Jeffrey Dahmer picking a victim. juice him up, mislead and fucked him. without the murder, apart from his career.

Please let this sociopath be gone.

Mike Green
332 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:34:17
Colin #324 - it's not petty. We should be more than capable of finding a top manager without resorting to an ex-red who would only be coming to us to suit his personal circumstances.
Roman Sidey
333 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:34:37
Another record for RM: relegate two clubs in one season.

On another topic of the ToffeeWeb poll: I'm using a Samsung Galaxy on this site and my fat fingers accidentally hit "No" instead of "Yes". Luckily I noticed before I clicked to vote, but I can only conclude that the 1200 or so that want him to remain also are just fellow sufferers of pickle fingers.

Neil Turton
334 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:35:29
Down with this sort of thing
Clive Lewis
335 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:36:05
We should be turning on the board, there has always been bad managers. However this is something else, only at Everton could we prolong the suffering of another human being just to save a few quid. The board should be ashamed.
Darryl Ritchie
336 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:37:34
Words fail me. Everything that needs to be said, has been said already anyway...thousands of times. I wonder if anyone is listening? This has to end now.
Clive Lewis
337 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:37:47
I agree 100% Mike, you all really want an ex red gobshite as our next failure.
Joe Clitherow
338 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:38:07
Friday 30 September 2011 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/benitez-i-was-right-to-call-Everton-a-small-club-2363821.html

08 May 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3579998/Rafa-Benitez-left-relying-small-club-Everton-save-Newcastle-relegation.html

On behalf of Colin....

I don't know about pathetic since we are rival fans and it's kind of our job to to hurl shite at rivals whereas managers are in a privileged position and are not supposed to cross the line (thats just how it is) but find this apparent obsession with Benitez (I won't call him Rafa like he's my mate) just a bit bizarre.

Yes he's a better manager than Martinez but then I reckon I am along with Julian Clary and Barbara Cartland who is, err, still dead.

Also, you won't find mention of Benitez and Everton in the same sentence without 'small club' being in there too.

Plus he still loves them!

Can you imagine the questions around where his loyalties lie when we lose to them? Sorry just doesn't work for me. There are many equally or better candidates without the baggage Benitez brings.

Colin Glassar
339 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:38:41
Steve, you're right the next managerial appointment is huge and I'd prefer it if Moshiri takes his time (not too long mind), draws up a short list, interviews several candidates then chooses the best one. It would be terrible if we just went out tomorrow, or next week, and got the first one available.

I know everyone is desperate for some hope but we are still only in May and this time we can't mess it up.

Brian Wilkinson
340 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:40:11
If Bobbys not gone before Sunday, I fully expect pitch forks and burning torches at Goodison Sunday.

Those players should hold their heads in shame, for those Evertonians who travelled to the match to watch that shower of shite, no pride, effort, just a stroll around the pitch, not fit to wear the Royal Blue jersey.

Mike Green
341 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:41:20
Clive - he can always walk, or say 'I'll go now, keep the ٟm...', even if any of it is true. Martinez is hanging in there for dear life and it's not for the pre-season fixtures at Dunfirmeline, Morton and Crewe.
Danny Broderick
343 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:44:42
Michael/Lyndon,

I would dearly love you to communicate something to show the feeling of the fans on ToffeeWeb. Look at the recent polls you have done - 90% and more of almost 20,000 votes want the manager out. We can't all be wrong! Can you call for action from the club? We need action. We need someone to pick the baton up and run with this. Someone has to be brave enough to do something. It has to be abundantly clear to the board what the next step is. Already, this has gone on way too far.

Clive Lewis
344 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:47:28
Mike he will lose more than one million, probably two.
It would be like tearing up a winning lottery ticket.

No its torment , the board should state he will go at the end of the season. Then we can all clap him on Sunday for the possibility of rescuing next season.

Matt Butlin
345 Posted 11/05/2016 at 23:49:58
Sometimes a boxer needs his corner to pull him out of a fight. This needs to happen before the inevitable enslaught at Goodison on Sunday.
Mike Green
346 Posted 11/05/2016 at 00:00:38
Clive - I agree, they should part amicably now on fair terms.

If it's rumoured that we save a million by waiting until June then they should come to an agreement and if he wants to take charge of the team on Sunday he can but I think he's going to be abused if still in his post on Sunday or ridiculed if he walks us out having it announced its his last game. By the same token if he wants to hang in there for that million waiting for the push in May that's his prerogative - given he's probably already been paid over £7m already and will get more anyway. The money I'm talking about is the June money (if true).

As for lottery tickets, he came to us a rich man and has pocketed the equivalent of a few rollovers already so you won't find him in the bread line just yet.

Dan Davies
347 Posted 11/05/2016 at 00:01:13
Spineless cunts.
Robbie Muldoon
348 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:07:37
It has now been announced Frank de Boer has left Ajax. Suspicious timing?
Joseph Walsh
349 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:09:51
Who are the 6% still on here?

Please justify your backing when 94% want him gone. Unless it is RS fans infiltrating the website please state your case why you think HE should stay?

Kenwright please do the honoriable thing and sack him and walk out too. You have destroyed this club!

Lewis Barclay
350 Posted 11/05/2016 at 00:10:53
My genuine worry is that any action is "too little too late" now.

I think there is a certain amount of damage already done that we have to take onboard going into next season, and we may possibly be looking at a season where we are fighting a relegation battle.

What ambitious, in demand, success driven manager is likely to look at a team facing an exodus of its best players who finished in the lower half (or possibly quarter) of the premier league, as a good career move?

I think the only managers that will be interested will be the ones looking at Moshiri's money and thinking they can steady a sinking ship for a large financial return.

I doubt the likes of Koeman, Bilic or Simeone would be interested in coming to Everton which is why we are hearing the likes of Benitez being mentioned.

Ian Smitham
351 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:12:10
Anyone else keep checking in on here hoping that the site is down/not working/all that gobbledegook when there is a major event and it is in meltdown??
Jim Hardin
352 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:13:12
I know it is easy for me to say over here but after the last two games and two seasons, why are people planning on showing up and then walking out at 78 minutes or even at the end of the final game? What exctly does that prove? Isn't leaving after the final whistle what happens every game? How is that a protest?

If fans want to make a statement, don't go in at all. Barring that, stay outside chanting, holding banners, etc. and then go in on 44 minutes, which is the number of points Everton has (or some other meaningful number such as number of years BK has been in charge or number of years without winning a title or perhaps a trophy, etc). Once in, by all means continue whatever chants about Martinez and Kenwright out you want.

I find it ridiculous that the "harshest" form of protest offered up is to not stay to clap the players off for the season when the main fault is really the Board, BK, and RM.

Seriously, if that is the best we can do, then save it, because BK and the Board will appreciate fans not sticking around as they can close up earlier and save wages for the cleaning crews. Then BK can turn to Moshiri and say "See, I told you it isn't Bobby, it is the players the fans are upset with" or some other such nonsense and the visible evidence will support BK as will the ticket sales next season.

James Marshall
353 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:20:23
If we lose our last game and the 5 teams below us all win theirs, we'll finish 17th....with only the 3 relegated teams below us.

Says it all really.

Charlie Lloyd
354 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:20:42
I'm not going to character assassinate Martinez. It's plain and simple for me

HES NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO REVERSE THIS ROT.

On Barkley tonight. I sort of accept a player being shot to bits for confidence but it won't excuse strolling around being lazy and letting players breeze past him.

THAT PERFORMANCE WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

Peter Laing
355 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:21:08
Was Benitez all that wrong with his small club mentality statement ? For the past 20 years under Kenwright that is exactly what we have been. Parochial, insular and with absolutely no ambition. Martinez enjoys one good season and he is regaled with a montage akin to North Korea on the gable end of the Main Stand. We are an embarrassment, laughing stock and deserve all that we get. The drowning out of the post match protest against Bournemouth was an insult to the match going supporters who stayed behind and is added to the litany of disgraceful antics that Kenwright has presided over.
Brian Denton
356 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:22:02
Lowest we can finish is 16th James. Sunderland can't catch us.
Gordon Crawford
357 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:22:53
Roberto is now blaming the FA Cup for the bad league form.

"We tried to get the focus after being in the FA Cup semi-final and sometimes it drops the intensity," said Martinez.

BBC Sport

Joseph Walsh
358 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:23:41
And as Colombo said ...

Another thing... Was anybody surprised by this? Did anybody expect us honestly to get a result?

This board, Kenwrong and Manuel have killed this club.

The sad thing is getting beat used to ruin my day/weekend but now the apathy has kicked in and I just shrug thinking it is another nail in the coffin so we can look for a new manager.

As an aside the players are a disgrace too. I hated United players for downing tools when OFM was in charge and I hated Chelsea players for doing the same for Maureen. It lacked professionalism.

I never thought Everton players would do the same. Sad days. I hope whoever comes in shakes it up massively and shows Lukaku and another. On performers the door asap

Brian Porter
359 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:31:06
Anthony #300, "don't humiliate him". Why the hell not when he's causing us to be humiliated as a football club every week and every time he opens his mouth? I've never seen so many posts appear so quickly on TW for as long as I can remember. We are all seeing and saying virtually the same things so why can't that bloody idiot Kenwright see it too?

Watching tonight's game was like slow torture as it became even more obvious that despite Martinez claiming the players are behind him, they really do not want to play for him. If he can't see it that makes him an even worse manager than we already know he is.

Just seen the panel on ESPN basically saying he's turned us into a carbon copy of his Wigan team and they agreed Everton are a big club but having got the jib, Martinez immediately imported four players from his relegated Wigan team.

The Everton job is too big for him and the time has come for BK to acknowledge he made a terrible mistake in hiring him by doing the right thing and firing him before he damages us even more by leading us in a headlong charge towards relegation next season.

He's already ruined my summer as I usually spend the close season eagerly awaiting the new one. Not this time, at least, not as long as Martinez is manager.

With the Norwich game now meaningless for both sides the club should fire him immediately and at least allow a little bit of atmosphere back into Goodison on Sunday as I'm sure there would be as the relief at his leaving would almost create a party atmosphere for the game. If they don't then Sunday is likely to be one horrific experience for Senor Martinez who seems to be hanging on like a bloodsucking leech with no self-respect or dignity in waiting for the inevitable axe to fall.

John Aldridge
360 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:33:49
De Boer has left Ajax......it could be on?
Dennis Ng
361 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:36:28
Where did you see that news John?
Dan Davies
362 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:38:26
Are we keeping this TW poll of 16000 and counting? Or will it disappear tomorrow like the last poll of similar numbers did?

Which I might add was over 80% Martinez Out.

Just asking like.

Getting boring now T W.

Gordon Crawford
363 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:39:58
Where does it say this John?
John Aldridge
364 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:42:54
Googled it, loads of Dutch sites reporting it and now the Daily Fail have picked up the story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3585883/Frank-Boer-leaves-Ajax-days-agent-said-love-join-club-like-Everton-amid-pressure-Roberto-Martinez.html

Barry Jones
365 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:46:59
Another dismal performance. Martinez must be looking forward to getting the Norwich game over with so that he can have a nice rest and get ready to take charge of the team again for next year. By the end of the summer the fans will have forgotten all about this season, as if it was just a bad dream, and we will all be back out if full voice again backing Robbie and the boys in blue.......won't we?
Chern Lee
366 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:47:01
Not sure if FDB is the man to replace RM if the comments in this link is anything to go by

https://m.reddit.com/r/AjaxAmsterdam/comments/3ngllm/frank_de_boer_should_resign/

Kerry Frahm
368 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:47:58
De Boer leaving is on Twitter as well but no solid indication of where he is going
Kerry Frahm
369 Posted 12/05/2016 at 00:51:01
Chern Lee #366 those reddit comments are from over 200 days ago. I don't know if that counts as he only just missed out on the Dutch title a few days ago.
Sean McCarthy
370 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:00:34
Stevey - In the second half, Barkely should have been subbed and Cleverley moved into midfield - the wrong player substituted.

Now I'm not Barkley's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but even I'll concede that he wasn't to blame for the 2nd half performance!! Not a lot you can do from the bath!! Did you actually watch the game??

As for mythinez it's time to put the man out of his misery. It's like a slow death. Surely he can't turn up to the "awards" doo then rock up at Goodison on Sunday like everything is fine and dandy!?

Matt Muzi
371 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:01:25
Whether he's there on Sunday, or given gardening leave I can't see him being sacked till after June 1st, if there is any truth in the rumours that he'll get £2 mill less compensation if sacked after that date.

I've said it on here already on here, I'm not going Sunday my seat will be empty and I won't be going back to Goodison till RM goes.

James Marshall
372 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:16:33
Matt, can I have your ticket so that I can shout at Martinez?
Gavin Johnson
373 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:22:30
Frank De Boar left Ajax on Wednesday, a couple of days after putting himself in the frame for the Everton job, so say the DM.

A top manager who has a profile in world football and is club less wants to manage us...What is there to discuss?!?

Gordon Crawford
374 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:25:33
Going by some Ajax supporters. He is very negative and he is all about defence. Plays a 442 and is very boring to watch.
Sounds perfect for us. Lol.
Tony Draper
375 Posted 12/05/2016 at 01:43:26
Abject.

Just fucking abject.

Phil Jeffries
376 Posted 12/05/2016 at 02:09:02
Let's get one thing straight. De Boer is a player who won everything and has started his managerial career by winning 4 league titles. The guy in a winner. He now wants to take a step up. We were listed as two clubs (by his agent) that he'd be interested in if the chance became available.

Only Evertonians could find a negative in this scenario. Are there better options? Maybe. But he is a big name who wants to compete in a bigger league. By all means Mr. De Boer. Throw your hat in the ring. It's very welcome.
James Watts
377 Posted 12/05/2016 at 02:14:47
loved the end of the sky interview.

When asked about Norwich, the guy asked him "Do you expect to be in charge?". RM gave an awkward smiled and said "That's not a question". Nice awkward moment!!

But it was a question numbnuts, actually you're right. Was probably a statement. Hopefully.

Jamie Sweet
378 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:10:10
Our problem is that everywhere you look, we have so much talent, but for every strength each individual has, they have a weakness which is currently preventing them from being good enough.

Roberto has strengths. He is good at charming old ladies, and dancing. His weakness is in the general area of football management.

John Stones is one of the finest ball playing centre halves you could wish to see. He is also, currently, pretty bog standard when it comes to actually defending.

Phil Jagielka is a great defender, but a great inspiration, motivator and leader of men? Not so much.

James McCarthy is brilliant at chasing people around and making a nuisance of himself, but you need every midfielder to at least be capable of some forward play (even more so when you play 2 DM's), and he offers zero in this regard.

Ross Barkley is one of the most naturally gifted footballers of this generation. Sadly, he is so lacking in vision and footballing intelligence that all his dazzling skills usually go to waste due to terrible decision making. He also seems afraid to put in a tackle.

Tom Cleverley has very nice hair, but he's not great at football.

Romelu Lukaku is potentially one of the most fearsome strikers in world football. Sadly, he often looks like he really couldn't be arsed about playing for Everton.


Let's start with fixing things at the top. Afterall, a manager who isn't very good at being a manager is never going to get the very best out of his team.

Then let the new guy sort out our current bunch of mis-fits.

I still believe there is potential greatness in there somewhere. Can we find the genius who can unleash it?

Gordon Crawford
379 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:17:52
Your not asking for much Jamie. Lol.
Steve Bingham
380 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:21:01
Jamie absolutely brilliant !!! Particularly the McCarthy quip ! Lol
Steve Bingham
381 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:30:04
Colin I couldn't agree more but when I prattle on about hope and huge decisions , I guess I am trying to justify the boards absolute silence this past three weeks by hoping that behind the scenes they are all over this disaster like a rash !. Maybe I'm totally deranged ? But ye gods ! How bad does it have to get ?
Nicholas Ryan
382 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:38:25
Jamie 378 '....RM is good at dancing....' Have you seen that Jason Dorulo video .... he's like an octopus on acid!!
Alex Moore
383 Posted 12/05/2016 at 03:51:38
Steve Bingham 381 and Jamie.

Well said , McCarthy is first and foremost, the most useless player on this squad.

Zero vision or offensive intent. I mean zero. In regards to out on the field production, he does so much to prevent us from developing effective attacking ball movement. He is the biggest on-field cancer that is contributing to killing this team's ability to produce.

I absolutely despise him.

Tom Evans
387 Posted 12/05/2016 at 05:58:54
He's still in post then?
Like a soft twat I reckoned he would be gone by the time I woke this morning.
Fuck you Martinez, fuck you Kenwright I have had enough..
Andy Walker
389 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:46:45
Peter 355, spot on. Benitez is one of the top managers in the world, with a proven track record who would give us a real chance of attracting world class players and becoming a top club. You saw his impact at Newcastle in only half a dozen games.

The irony is what he said was true and the fact certain fans are now saying they don't want him here because of his past words, not his abilities as a manager, proves his point for me.

If we want to appoint a manager based on what he says rather than does, we just make exactly the same mistake as we made with Martinez.

Benetiz won't take any shit from the Board or the players, he's his own man who has backed up his words in the past with results. Steven Gerrard who I hate, but begrudgingly respect, says he was the best manager he played under but he had no close relationship with him even though he was the RS captain. That's how it should be for me between players and the manager, respect but not mates.

David Milner
390 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:47:54
Tom @387

Hopefully by lunchtime he wont be.

Andy Meighan
391 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:52:31
If he is still in situ on Sunday, I hope the stubborn arrogant ignorant fucker squirms in his technical area like I've squirmed these last few months. I hope he suffers like we've all suffered being the butt of everyone's jokes and listening to the smarm coming off those plastic so-called red fans in waves.

These two bastards, Kenwright and Martinez, have made me feel nothing but hatred towards something that, after my family, has been an integral part of my life. I feel like I've had the soul ripped out of me, watching Everton lately.

I know no team has a god-given right to win games but, as long suffering fans have a god-given right to expect nothing more than heart, fight, passion etc – something sadly that's been lacking in abundance the past few months.

If Kenwright would have done the honourable thing and sacked him, say 6 to 8 weeks ago, I sincerely believe we would have had a cup final to look forward to. As it is, it's all immaterial and all because of some ponced up luvvie who calls himself the biggest Evertonian of the lot – try telling that to the the brave lads and lasses who once again suffered having to pay to watch that last night.

Just for once, Bill, do the right thing... I'm fucking begging you.

Darren Hind
392 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:54:20
Its staggering that even now the Martinez apologists are singling out their favourite target (Stones) for goals concede when the whole team couldnt be arsed turning up. I suspect the acute embarrassment of being so spectacularly wrong has driven them to find a new target.

These fools are the reason why the fella we want to keep will be almost certainly be gone and the clown we are desperate to get rid of, is still here.


Antony Matthews
393 Posted 12/05/2016 at 06:54:24
How the hell the Everton coach never got pelted with bottles by Newcastle supporters I will never know. Even our own supporters would have probably joined in after that performance !
James Hughes
394 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:10:53
I witnessed some of the worst defending ever last night, a standard even Sunday league players would be ashamed of.

We will follow Villa if we carry on this way.

Brent Stephens
396 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:15:31
Tut tut.
Jim Burns
397 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:25:30
Antony - I don't think so - we are not all mindless Neanderthals - not even in these sad circumstances. Don't put us in the same category as those thugs please.
Paul Tran
398 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:44:47
Predictably poor last night. Interesting that plenty of the players being criticised looked good in Martinez's first season, when he played a balanced team with players who knew what they were meant to be doing.

The shambles of the last two seasons with the unbalanced team full of injured/unfit players playing out of position aren't doing these players any favours, despite their lack of application.

Before Martinez arrived, it was clear we had a large number of players about to move on or past their best. Too many of them are still here. Too many of these replacements have missed the mark. The next manager's job will be to find a way of shipping out these players and replacing them, something that Martinez has been unable to do.

Now that we allegedly have 'money', there is no need to cash in on our young talent, who will be much improved under the next manager.

Whoever we choose is going to be a gamble. For me the choice will tell us everything about how much money and ambition we now have.

Ian Hollingworth
399 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:48:52
Seriously overrated players.

Too many players at the end of their careers.

A completely deluded and inadequate manager.

A board with no vision or ambition.

The joys of being an Evertonian.

Antony Matthews
401 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:55:50
Jim,we will see how mindless some thugs will be on Sunday won't we if RM is still in place. Newcastle didn't deserve that sort of performance after the mighty one had promised a "reaction". Women and children will be there on Sunday but it still won't stop the usual vitrol being spewed out towards the players and manager.
Paul Smith
402 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:55:50
Never been so angry with the Everton. I started going when I had to sit on my ol' man's shoulders to see.

New kit! Not arsed. I want him gone. We're a laughing stock; total contempt for the fans by BPB. Anger is turning to hate – not good.

Stuart Mitchell
403 Posted 12/05/2016 at 07:58:46
Hopefully Martinez out and De Boar in announcement soon!

Never seen a bunch of Everton players show such disrespect to the shirt. New manager and a rebuild needed.

Peter Carpenter
404 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:00:53
Newcastle didn't deserve anything. They put themselves in that mess.
Colin Glassar
405 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:07:49
Today's the day! FDB quit his job (no compo) today. Coincidence? Pellegrini AND Mourinho both available, and willing, according to some accounts.
Ged Simpson
406 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:08:12
I think he will be gone today and we will win last game 4-0
Dave Lynch
407 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:12:04
Newcastle got exactly what they deserved for sticking with McClaren far to long.

You can't/shouldn't rely on other teams to keep you up, they got themselves relegated by being piss poor for virtually a whole season.

We got lucky...

Tony Abrahams
408 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:17:02
I have'nt always agreed with you Jim 352, but I have to agree with you on this sort of protest though mate. The problem with Evertonians, is that loads of them like Kenwright, who is obviously the root of the problems at our once great club.

How can we ridicule the manager, and let the man who refused to relieve him of his duties, when we still had a chance of success, off Scott free?

Peter Carpenter
409 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:18:43
It won't be long, they're just preparing the guillotine.
Stuart Mitchell
410 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:20:31
Looks like Martinez gone before the weekend if that Sky Sports news report at finch farm is anything to go by.
Colin Glassar
411 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:24:35
Once Vinnie o' Connor gives you the thumbs down you're doomed. Twitter saying it will happen today before the awards ceremony tonight.
Jim Burns
412 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:26:58
Antony - verbal and visual vitriol - no problem mate. I've been spewing it for some time now - including at Sunderland last night. I just draw the line at advocating throwing bottles or any other violence .
Iain Latchford
413 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:32:35
Frank de Boer has just dropped to 8/11 with the bookies.
Ian Hams
414 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:34:08
Probably the wrong place to say this but just heard on radio that De Boar has just stepped down fro Ajax. Could he be coming our way????
Andrew Presly
415 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:38:16
What has gone on over the last few weeks goes above and beyond the manager.

He will be replaced, better late than never, but how or when are Kenwright and Elstone, the men truly culpable for where we find ourselves, going to face up to their responsibilities and leave with Martinez?

Any other outcome is unacceptable no matter the new boss and I have a hard time spending any money, the only language they understand apart from bullshit, at the club until that is resolved. Might be waiting a while.

Iain Latchford
416 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:41:37
Ajax have agreed to terminate de Boers' contract with immediate effect.
Phil Walling
417 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:42:59
I think I'm as ashamed of our players as I am of our somewhat deranged manager.

Fortunately, living 2000 miles away I no longer waste money at Everton FC although as my wife never ceases to remind me, I still blow a stack on gambling on their fortunes.

Regardless of what this useless Board decides today, I think, after over 50 years, I've had enough and will ride off into the Cyprus sunset leaving my anger behind me and Paddy Power to go bankrupt.

As so many have said, it's the hope that does for you !

Jim Burns
418 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:49:53
Heads up lads - the end of chuckle brothers football is near.
Andrew Presly
419 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:51:13
Problem is that Bill & co know that we will all, in some form or another, be back in August supporting the team.

This is what allows them to survive like cockroaches and what generates the obscene levels of TV revenue to line their pockets while they do it. An extremely sad reality.

Allan Barratt
420 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:54:25
"Today, we competed for every ball and were full of effort and intent in wanting to win but the luck at the moment is not on our side."

hahahahahahahaha

Damian Wilde
421 Posted 12/05/2016 at 08:59:46
Has he gone yet? Spoarently de bier has jus resigned...
Damian Wilde
422 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:01:42
You bet on Everton, Phil? Worse than going to the match under this, fella!!
Nick Page
423 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:07:46
If this cxnt (apologies) had one ounce of fucking dignity about him he'd have gone weeks ago. Now he's blaming the FA Cup run!?!? Fully expect the brass-necked bastard to be at the awards do tonight.
John Jennings
424 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:09:11
Sky Sports camped outside Finch Farm and running a lengthy series of interviews with the clown as well as Carragher comments and embarrassing stats on just how bad we have become.

Mention of protests planned outside St Georges tonight.

Pics of De Boer leaving his club

Momentum building..

Pete Ellingham
425 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:09:29
Yep, De Boer has resigned!
Tony Abrahams
426 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:11:21
I don't want Benitez, but have to agree with Peter 355, and his assessment of what Benitez, said about Everton.

We have been taken to the cleaners, and washed a whole lot of money in the process, since Kenwright, borrowed money, that he couldn't really afford to take over Everton.

If Benitez, was appointed though, it would tell me that Moshiri, was now the gaffer, because I couldn't see Rafa, putting up with Kenwright's bollocks for long!

Iain Latchford
427 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:13:28
Any mention of whether Bergkamp and Stam have also left Ajax. If he's coming I want them as part of the package.
Peter Carpenter
428 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:18:18
The players must be quite excited this morning, waiting to see if their plan has worked.

What time is the Easyjet flight from Amsterdam in?

Damian Wilde
429 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:29:41
Did people see his Sky Sports interview? He kept saying "we were trying to win and get the three ooints" - almost trying to convince the presenter.

Also, help me out here guys. He was asked 'will you still be in-charge?" He replied "That is not a question."

My knowledge of the English language would have that down as a question....right??!!

Phil Walling
430 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:30:44
If the Board had any dignity they would have cancelled the phoney awards celebrations along with the managers contract.

What are the players being 'awarded' for being a bunch of lazy untrained tossers ?

Peter Carpenter
431 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:34:56
Perhaps he meant, 'that is THE question' in a Shakespeare-ish sort of way. Shakespeare - an incredible diamond of English literature.
Dave Abrahams
432 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:37:37
It will take a massive change to lift the spirits of Everton fans, I have never ever felt as low as I do now as an Evertonian, and unless Mr. Moshiri has got some real plans for the improvement of our club it will not change while Billy Liar has anything to do with the club.

I doubt very much he will be at St. George's Hall tonight or at Goodison Park on Sunday, the man(?) is a natural born SHITPOT.

Nick Page
433 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:39:25
hopefully there are some new awards tonight, in-keeping with the general theme of this season.

And the Bill Kenwright, What A Manager award for lack of services to winning football matches goes to...

Peter Carpenter
434 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:41:02
Worst defensive error goes to........
John Jennings
436 Posted 12/05/2016 at 09:57:22
...and the award for the sentence containing the most use of the words phenomenal and incredible goes to.....
Dean Peamum
437 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:01:37
Only Everton could appoint a manager who had just had his team relegated.
Only Everton could replace El Bore with De Boer.
Peter Carpenter
438 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:07:42
Most illogical substitution.....
Nick Page
439 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:13:17
Is De Boer really the answer? PSV have won last two Eredivisie's. Is he experienced enough or just a name? Would his style suit what we want or does he adhere to this crap possession based stuff? Can he get an unfit squad full of unmotivated players going again? I'm really not sure.
Sam Hoare
440 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:15:06
Nick, pretty sure he adheres to the crap possession stuff.

'The build-up phase is largely based around slow-tempo rhythm from the centre-backs holding the ball until they can spot a pass higher up the field. Frank de Boer clearly prefers a possession game and extremely high amounts of interchanging and players using clever, deceptive movements in offensive transitions as well as midfield patterns and build up phase. It is fair to say that de Boer's philosophy is based on creating space and exploiting the space created.'

Allan Barratt
441 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:18:46
Sounds familiar....does he have a plan b?
Damian Wilde
442 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:34:56
If FDB is into slow-tempo rhythm - NO THANK YOU
Liam Reilly
444 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:39:50
RM for me committed the cardinal sin; similar to Moyes going to United, of bringing unsuitable and under qualified coaching staff with him to his new club.

He's had two downward spiraling years to rectify this by bringing in a quality defensive coach and has failed to do so.

If the club have any respect for him, they should let him go now before we have another Alex Nyarko incident on Sunday.

David Collier
445 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:40:25
I wonder if Everton FC, in particular the manager and players, could face disciplinary proceedings for bringing the game of football into disrepute because of their abysmal performances.

Perhaps the bookies are aware of unusual betting patterns coinciding with our loss of form.


John Jennings
446 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:43:14
My protest at the King Power

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36273695

Nick Page
447 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:43:53
We need and have always played better fast tempo. Atletico have nailed it. That's what I want. Some fire, and some nasty bastards who are prepared to have a go. You only have to watch how high they press Barca to see its dead. Guardiola will struggle massively in this league unless he adapts.

On that basis I don't want FDB anywhere near Everton

Ian McDowell
448 Posted 12/05/2016 at 10:56:55
Nick Page your spot on. The Goodison crowd reacts to a tackle, to players closing down, to getting the ball wide and crosses into the box not this pass, pass, pass 5 yards sideways like a preseason friendly.
Peter Carpenter
449 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:02:08
Is he still here? Right, I'm going for a run, maybe that will help.
John, you should have used a bed sheet!
Iain Latchford
450 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:08:22
PSV won the league in 2014/15 by 17 points. Hmmm, bit worrying that.
Nick Page
451 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:11:03
Hopefully FDB is off to Valencia, then.
Alan Peake
452 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:11:46
Can anyone enlighten me on what's going to happen at our awards ceremony tonight? I can't really think of any positive awards unless its for:

Most hamstring strains
Most sideways passes in our half
The player managing to keep running for more than 60 minutes
The player coming out and supporting the manager in the press statement
The least time on the pitch as a substitute
The player with the most phenomenally intense display during a humiliating defeat

Kim Vivian
453 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:22:45
Re the interview - I thinks his answer to the final question was '...there's no question...' but with the language difference making it come out wrong.
Sam Morrison
454 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:57:45
While all the opprobrium aimed at Martinez feels justified, I am pissed off with a bunch of players who do not look remotely arsed.

No matter how cheesed off they are with the manager - the tactics, the personnel, the formations, the subs, the media interviews... the whole pantomime... there is no justification for the lack of effort once they step on the pitch. From what I saw of the game last night (only a few minutes of each half) only Barry and Robles looked like they gave a shit, and that's unforgivable. Obviously the buck stops with the manager and I want him gone just like everyone else. But I'm kind of appalled by the players right now as well. And that's coming from an armchair fan - if I was shelling out to go to the game I'd be furious.

Peter Carpenter
455 Posted 12/05/2016 at 11:59:26
Nick, answer to the tempo question from my Dutch contact, Hans of the Hague, a noted student of international football and fan of Feyenoord (a real person, by the way). I asked if FDB can do fast tempo with a bit of nastiness thrown in. The answer;
'Fast tempo yes, nastiness he has to learn more. His players are and were young and a bit light.. Get some players that are streetwise!!'
Nick Page
456 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:06:16
Hmmm still not sure Peter. We really need someone with a bit more about them. Sort of Simeone type who gets the crowd up and doesn't kowtow to the Sky teams.
David Milner
457 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:30:06
Lots of twitter feeds stating Martinez has been sacked & did not take training this morning.
Peter Carpenter
458 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:31:16
As coach of the top team in Holland for 5 years I don't think he would kow-tow to anyone. As for Simeone, not sure his style would stay popular for long, and does he have a plan B?
Paul Andrews
459 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:34:08
De Boer 1/3 next Everton manager.

Along with Bergkamp and Stam that will do me.
Looks like a winning combination.

Ian Hollingworth
460 Posted 12/05/2016 at 12:49:24
Awards ceremony? The brass neck of Everton.

What on earth have any of them done to deserve an award nether mind a ceremony to present the undeserved award.

Mind you we will probably have the 'What a manager' award followed by the 'What a chairman' award.

George Cumiskey
461 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:01:12
My old granny used to say never feel sorry for someone who has walked away with millions because he can't do his job!. Good advice me thinks.
Eugene Ruane
462 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:01:15
Jesus, just saw on that Sky clip it's the awards do tonight

That could be fun - angry blues plus alcohol

Nob in dickie-bow: "We all know how special Leeds are..."

- loud whisper - "That was last night!" -

Nob in dickie bow: "Er...oh..erm, but they're nowhere near as special as (consults itinerary) Evertom..TON, EverTON. And the award for the best..."

Audience: "FUCKINGBOOOOOOO!!!!"

Seriously, it could all look very unseemly if they get the welcome they deserve (see link for welcome they deserve)

Link

Brian Harrison
463 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:11:06
I ask you an awards dinner for these players.
What categories are the awards for possibly the following.

1) worst ever attempt at a save and the winner by a big margin Joel Robles after Sunderlands first goal.
2) worst full back performance again an overwhelming winner Mohammed Besic against Man Utd in the Semi final.
3) worst defensive display John Stones pick any game you like.

Graham Mockford
464 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:16:56
Eugene

Im told the nob in dickie bow has been booked with his sidekick

Link

Ray Jacques
465 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:17:10
Does anyone have a list of awards to be presented this evening.
We only attend awards evenings in work when we have actually achieved something worthwhile.

I am sure the TW contributors could suggest some categories such as :-
1) Most individual errors by a player leading directly to a goal.
2) Failure to beat the first man at a corner award
3) Ability to trap a ball and make it roll 20 yards award.
4)Lazy, slow, overweight midfielder award
5) Most bullshit spoken in a press conference award
6)Most passes in a direction away from the opposition goal award.
7)Best use of £13.5m award
8)Most inspiring substitution award
9)The most effective way to lose a match from a winning position award.

It will certainly be an evening of celebration.

Jamie Tulacz
466 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:24:00
Anyone seen the below in the Guardian... Happy days are here again! (ignore the title btw)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/12/Roberto-Martinez-end-of-season-awards-Everton
Mark Lewis
467 Posted 12/05/2016 at 13:29:27
Sky sports say he's gone

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