Liverpool surged int a stunnning 3-0 lead at home to Manchester City inside the first 30 mins of the Champions League Quarterfinal first leg.
In the other game, Barcelona lead Roma 2-0.
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1 Posted 04/04/2018 at 19:43:46
2 Posted 04/04/2018 at 19:49:45
Everybody's second favourite club, eh, as the media would tell us.
3 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:11:49
4 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:21:11
5 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:21:15
6 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:23:00
7 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:25:41
8 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:30:41
9 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:37:34
10 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:38:05
11 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:42:50
12 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:43:24
13 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:45:47
14 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:47:29
What astonishes me is how super fit Klopp has every player in his squad, the likes of Robertson is running like he's has 90 Red Bulls!
Contrast that with Everton players who all seem to run like old grannies â€“ even the young lads look fucked after a bit of a jog.
You don't need to spend billions to be super fit surely??
15 Posted 04/04/2018 at 20:56:31
Hopefully City are able to get a couple of goals back in the second half.
16 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:11:47
17 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:17:09
19 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:22:54
They could play Liverpool Ladies and they'd still look fitter and stronger mentally than us at Goodison on Saturday!
It's just the difference between the training regime, the academy and the whole mentality of the club.
20 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:25:04
21 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:27:34
22 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:34:18
Shame about that first half. Just wish we were capable of doing that to a side like City.
23 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:40:24
24 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:46:28
25 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:50:51
26 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:55:37
27 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:55:59
28 Posted 04/04/2018 at 21:57:21
29 Posted 04/04/2018 at 22:02:52
Our ground has been jinxed for decades regarding the shite. The new ground can't come quick enough.
30 Posted 04/04/2018 at 22:28:06
Utterly disgraceful. Will they never learn with this crowd? They'll stop at nothing, stand by for a riot before the return match at Man City. But then it will be all the Mancs' fault... disgusting outfit they are.
31 Posted 04/04/2018 at 22:38:46
32 Posted 04/04/2018 at 22:50:47
33 Posted 04/04/2018 at 23:01:02
34 Posted 04/04/2018 at 23:06:42
I think we need a “bastardâ€ about us and whilst it's nice getting pats on the back, you win things if you are nasty.
Look at the great United sides?
Roy Keane, Cantona etc.
Arsenal Invincibles has the likes of Keown, Adams, Viera.
36 Posted 04/04/2018 at 23:09:21
37 Posted 05/04/2018 at 07:15:42
38 Posted 05/04/2018 at 07:54:58
Just had a text from my daughter working in Australia as the Premier League blogger for the equivalent of BT (nice work) saying she was pleased someone gave City a bloody nose.
She's a lovely girl (and avid toffee fan) who at 27 years old still doesn't get it. I reminded her NO good score for Liverpool will be tolerated in my house. I'm going to have to fly out to start re-education!
39 Posted 05/04/2018 at 08:02:16
40 Posted 05/04/2018 at 08:58:25
Instead of worrying about the opposition, set up to make them worry about you. Identify and exploit their weaknesses (defence?)... and finally, as Henderson in particular showed, instead of standing back and admiring the opposition GET STUCK IN!
41 Posted 05/04/2018 at 09:42:17
Coleman Jagielka Keane Baines
Davies Rooney Baningime
Walcott Tosun Calvert-Lewin
Subs: Robles, Funes Mori, Martina, Schneiderlin, Vlasic, Bolasie, Niasse
42 Posted 05/04/2018 at 09:52:17
43 Posted 05/04/2018 at 10:07:17
Liverpool did play without fear but they also played with Milner & Henderson doing a number on Silva & De Bruyne. No silky midfield skills just using their athleticism, to close down, chase, harry and generally disrupt City's midfield -â€“ something that was totally absent from our midfield.
It's the facet of the game that's much maligned but essential, and every great team do it, including the Man City team, and the Man Utd team before that, where Giggs and Beckham, the flair players would be all over the opposition when they didn't have the ball.
The great ahhhhhh RS sides (God that hurts) had Rush & Daglish as the first line of defence. Recently, I watched a game between us & Man Utd from the mid-60s, and what was noticeable was Alex Young (yes, the Golden Vision) closing down, throwing some tasty tackles in.
This IMHO is the reason we have seen so many collapses this season, is that no-one is prepared to sweat blood for the cause, epitomised by Schneiderlin strolling round the park. Once again, IMHO, this is what a Director of Football or new coach will have to eliminate from our game.
It should be a case of: we're playing Man Utd, Man City, or Liverpool, etc â€“ well, they'll know they've been in a game at the final whistle.
44 Posted 05/04/2018 at 10:25:12
The devil has taken your comments on board. He will act accordingly when it comes to semi-final and final time.
45 Posted 05/04/2018 at 10:27:49
46 Posted 05/04/2018 at 10:32:47
If the officials had done their job properly and not missed these high profile incidents that is, but it is Anfield so why should we expect that?
Talking of missing several high-profile incidents over the years, in reference to the bus attack, Guardiola stated: “but I did not expect a prestigious club like Liverpool doing this kind of thing.â€
47 Posted 05/04/2018 at 10:42:06
The scum have even threw bottles etc at the ambulance taking him to hospital.
48 Posted 05/04/2018 at 10:52:55
The reason I'm posting is that a National newspaper has picked up a tweet by former red David Thompson (WHO?) that kindly informs the world that the attack on the bus was carried out by Evertonians!
Merseyside Police are conducting enquiries to identify those responsible for throwing objects at the bus, while Liverpool have condemned the attack and vowed to support City in establishing the facts of what occurred.
But Thompson has thrown a spanner into the works by tweeting: “Heard it was evertonians and not Liverpool fans who damaged the man city coach typical.â€
It's in the paper it must be true eh? I also read a tweet last night from some RS that a few fans bad behaviour shoudn't see his club punished - that's ok then, except didn't we all get banned from Europe due to the behaviour of fans in 1985? Oh yes I forgot it was probably not their fans who were responsible. I'm still hoping beyond hope that Man City make it to the Semi-final, but in reality it doesn't matter to me as to whether the RS lift the CL or not, it doesn't help Everton either way.
49 Posted 05/04/2018 at 10:59:00
50 Posted 05/04/2018 at 11:00:12
I heard that Elvis was a regular at the Grafton. Wasn't he?
51 Posted 05/04/2018 at 11:35:57
52 Posted 05/04/2018 at 11:39:32
Our situation will not change until the match-going fans display the balls to say enough is enough. Moshiri must be made to see we are as mad as hell and will not take any more bullshit.
His first move should be to sack whoever is responsible for our pathetic fitness levels. Then he should send out on loan our so-called future stars with instructions to demonstrate their worth or bugger off to pastures new.
We should not be making excuses for poor displays because the little darlings have played just a dozen 1st team games. What in hell have they been doing for the past 10 or more years when supposedly they were preparing for the step up?
Dominic Calvert-Lewin is a typical example of what I'm on about. He has many of the physical attributes yet comes across as a boy in a man's world.
53 Posted 05/04/2018 at 12:03:12
Coz everyone knows, I am Spartacus.
54 Posted 05/04/2018 at 12:13:28
This is condoned by their club who asked supporters to make as much noise in welcoming their own team and the opposition. And there wasn't just 1 or 2 throwing bottles and cans there was more like 20 - 30. I remember their chairman at the time of Hysel, John Smith, claiming it wasn't Liverpool supporters who caused the trouble but National Front supporters. They have attacked the Man Utd bus on many occasions.
Now the question is how will the City fans react next Tuesday when they are at home? Let's hope no further trouble is caused, but I hope that Liverpool Football Club instead of encouraging this welcoming committee they ban it all together. make as much noise as you like in the stadium, but bottle throwing at rivals takes us back to the bad old 70s.
55 Posted 05/04/2018 at 12:16:26
Then the police did their bit (by accident or design) by letting the coach get brutalised.
If right were right, UEFA would throw them out and teach "the best fans in the world" a salient lesson on how to behave. But maybe it has to happen to Real Madrid at Anfield before anything like that would be done.
56 Posted 05/04/2018 at 12:29:52
I suppose everyone in the City will be tarred with the same brush as usual.
57 Posted 05/04/2018 at 12:32:22
I'll go spare if I start seeing little niceties from the likes of nice guys Jags and Baines.
We haven't had a single highlight during this woeful season so you better leave everything on that pitch come Saturday lunchtime Everton!!!
58 Posted 05/04/2018 at 12:41:16
Well hopefully if they do get drawn to play Real Madrid they'll get baton charged by Spanish cops and put in their places unlike the pathetic attempts last night from police who “promised a safe environment after every man and his dog knew what was coming as was promised weeks earlier by those devil-worshipping knuckle-draggers!
59 Posted 05/04/2018 at 12:52:51
60 Posted 05/04/2018 at 13:05:01
I hope some of our players are thinking the same about Saturday to be honest, I want to see the “bastard come out in us!!!
61 Posted 05/04/2018 at 13:45:22
64 Posted 05/04/2018 at 14:24:48
Going a bit off topic, what surprises me is that such errors are commonplace, whether they affect goals scored or not, and yet they would be the easiest ones to check out with the use of a TV screen with a line across the pitch to show the relative positions of players, as used by Sky and BT in live games. It would take just a few seconds to review and calls would be black and white with no subjectivity and opinion involved. I'd be happy if offsides were the only reason that VAR could be used.
65 Posted 05/04/2018 at 15:12:32
As always, there is too much moral high ground comment about Liverpool FC on here. They deservedly beat the so-called unstoppable Man City and we should stop talking about their pacts with the devil and other such shite. They have only won 1 League Cup trophy in 6 years on penalties against Cardiff! Some fuckin pact that is!
There is another match next week and City are more than capable of beating them by 3 or more.
I hope and pray for a positive result for us on Saturday but I do feel more than a bit envious when I hear that Champions League anthem and think will we ever hear that at Goodison Park (or Bramley-Moore... if that happens?).
I wish this season was over right now. Has to have been one of the worst in living memory.
Don't worry Barca or Real will win the Champions League!
68 Posted 05/04/2018 at 16:34:24
I'll tell you why Leroy Sane looked great against us but shite last night!
Because we stood off him (and every City player) all match and just admired them, the lack of a meaningful tackle from any Everton player during 94 minutes spoke volumes.
Liverpool didn't give City a seconds peace on the ball, always in their faces pressing and playing with gusto, that's why last night Sane and City's other big stars didn't get a kick!
69 Posted 05/04/2018 at 16:56:53
I didn't see the game but it looked like Liverpool played against City with no fear and no respect for them and got a great result, slightly different from us on Saturday.
70 Posted 05/04/2018 at 17:20:27
71 Posted 05/04/2018 at 17:23:35
By the end of May seems a long time to wait for a decision in view of the prestige of the tournament.
Interesting also to see what happens next week in the return leg i.e. lessons learnt etc.. by the Police.. A bad omen for the game in my book, it's a dark walk back to the 70s and 80s.
72 Posted 05/04/2018 at 21:31:54
Everton's case was supported by hundreds of city fans who criticised their own police force for its blatant one sided action.
A similar event took place at Burnley when police selectively roughed up Blues fans only because a few weeks earlier the gobshites had visited the town with their usual bad behaviour.
73 Posted 06/04/2018 at 11:52:49
74 Posted 07/04/2018 at 01:23:53
76 Posted 11/04/2018 at 00:29:59
77 Posted 11/04/2018 at 21:07:22
78 Posted 11/04/2018 at 21:11:50
79 Posted 11/04/2018 at 21:23:25
80 Posted 11/04/2018 at 21:44:37
81 Posted 11/04/2018 at 21:47:38
82 Posted 11/04/2018 at 21:53:13
83 Posted 11/04/2018 at 22:07:25
And the taking of those chances/opportunities (no matter how much possession or chances the other team has or pressure the other team puts you under) is what separates winners from losers.
84 Posted 11/04/2018 at 22:22:42
But a straight red for verbals no touching in extra time of a Champions League quarterfinal classic to the most respected captain in Europe, was officious bullshit in my opinion. Typical Oliver.
85 Posted 11/04/2018 at 22:34:03
86 Posted 11/04/2018 at 22:45:45
And as for the penalty, as far as I could see, Benatia does not make any contact whatsoever with the ball; it bounces off Vasquez's chest and into Buffon's arms. Harsh (in terms of the context of the game), but it's a foul.
87 Posted 11/04/2018 at 22:58:16
As they were saying on BT sport, they were almost pleading with Oliver not to send him off and let him go out in a blaze of glory and try and save the penalty.
As slippy said, we will have to wait and see why Buffon was sent off. You can't deny verbally abusing the referee is no longer a sending off, if indeed that's what he was sent off for, or has that rule changed?
88 Posted 11/04/2018 at 23:20:31
And a top referee is expected to maintain perspective and take the situation into account. Sure, give a yellow, and then if necessary a second yellow. But when, with that much at stake at a moment like that, have you ever seen a straight red for dissent? Unless the player is threatening you or accusing you of taking a bribe, in my view a straight red is overboard.
89 Posted 11/04/2018 at 23:24:02
I'm biased as a Juve supporter, but I've also been reffing since I was 18 and have some opinions based on that too.
90 Posted 11/04/2018 at 23:39:16
Yes, he was yelling, or at least that's what it looked like, and in that particular situation I guess it's very hard to control what you say. Clearly Buffon said something which didn't agree with Oliver, something like "you effing cheat".
We shall wait with interest for the reason why he was sent off.
91 Posted 11/04/2018 at 00:04:40
Buffon said Oliver should not have given the penalty so late in the game if it wasn't absolutely clear, and according to the legendary goalkeeper, "it was a tenth of a penalty."
"I know the referee saw what he saw, but it was certainly a dubious incident. Not clear-cut. And a dubious incident at the 93rd minute when we had a clear penalty denied in the first leg, you cannot award that at this point.
"The team gave its all, but a human being cannot destroy dreams like that at the end of an extraordinary comeback on a dubious situation. Clearly you cannot have a heart in your chest, but a garbage bin. On top of that, if you don't have the character to walk on a pitch like this in a stadium like this, you can sit in the stands with your wife, your kids, drinking your Sprite and eating crisps.
"You cannot ruin the dreams of a team. I could've told the referee anything at that moment, but he had to understand the degree of the disaster he was creating. If you can't handle the pressure and have the courage to make a decision, then you should just sit in the stands and eat your crisps."
"It's an issue of sensitivity. It means you don't know where you are, what teams are facing off, what players are involved. It means you've understood absolutely fuck all."
If that's what he said to Oliver, then he was accusing him of choking -- obviously with a few more f-bombs in there. And so I stand by my opinion that, in the heat of that moment, there is absolutely no way it should have been a straight red.
92 Posted 11/04/2018 at 00:12:16
I think at the point when Buffon comes behind Oliver, something occurs (you can see Oliver reacting to something). Perhaps he was grabbed on the back?
I don't know but, immediately after that, he produces the red card.
93 Posted 12/04/2018 at 00:15:52
As for Juve's conduct, well I have little time for the emotional response rubbish. They know it's a pen, they're gutted and have tried to harangue Oliver into a change of mind.
In football you reap what you sew, too long the game has cultivated an environment were its okay to behave like demented idiots towards other players and officials.
Apparently the referee is expected to remain calm but the players can behave with impunity?!
Juve were desperately unlucky to go out but the damage was done in leg one.
Regarding Oliver, as an official myself I'd say he didn't do enough to vacate the area, back away and give the players a heartbeat, any player who then continues to follow him leaves themselves open to sanction. Fair dos that.
I think he tried to remove himself but not hard enough. Still cannot excuse the behavior from both sides actually.
Ultimately Juve powered down expecting ET time and thought Madrid would do the same. The defence for the goal was very poor. Maybe that's the real focus of their ire?
94 Posted 12/04/2018 at 00:36:18
Seriously though. For Buffon to say you can't award a penalty so late in the game, or because Juventus were denied a clear cut penalty in the first leg, which was nothing to do with Oliver by the way, is just plain daft. A penalty is a penalty whatever time in the match It is awarded. It was a penalty, you said yourself, albeit a soft one, but still a penalty.
If Oliver "choked it" which to me sounds the same as "bottled it", then surely he wouldn't have given the penalty?
Besides, Buffon didn't say in his post match interview why Oliver sent him off. That interview is only his feelings towards Oliver.
95 Posted 12/04/2018 at 00:43:58
96 Posted 12/04/2018 at 01:19:45
The Real player was always gonna chuck himself to the ground under the slightest touch; however, I think he managed to get enough on the ball. If that had been an EFC player rather than Real, I would have been screaming for a penalty.
Buffon manhandled the ref. He had to go, end of.
97 Posted 12/04/2018 at 01:20:29
98 Posted 12/04/2018 at 01:57:07
John (#93), thoroughly agree that Oliver should have done what any Italian, Spanish or South American ref would have done in the same situation, backed off a bit and created some space. There's a whole lot of space between "impunity" and a straight red.
Rob, Buffon didn't think it was a pen... and his point was that it would have taken courage at that point NOT to call it in front of the BernabÃ©u home crowd. My point is that the red was the choke point.
Derek (#97), you got that right!
100 Posted 12/04/2018 at 02:47:26
As for the Italians, please spare me their complaints about a ref sending a player off. Buffon acted like an ass and all the rest of them accosting the ref could have received cards as well. Italians criticizing fouls.
Look at their history of flopping around to draw sendings-off and then simply laugh in their faces.
101 Posted 12/04/2018 at 03:18:59
Mike Gaynes - I think you declaring yourself a Juventus fan gives me a clearer insight into your passion, but anywhere else on the field it is a free-kick, and that's because it was a foul; I may be wrong but I seriously don't think Benatia even touches the ball at any point.
102 Posted 12/04/2018 at 04:24:40
103 Posted 12/04/2018 at 06:05:17
As for Buffoon saying it was only a tenth of a pen... idiot.
I'm sure if Juve would have got that at the other end, they'd have declined it or deliberately missed because it wasn't fair.
104 Posted 12/04/2018 at 07:07:24
106 Posted 12/04/2018 at 08:39:38
You can, however, have other clubs that you have a sneaking admiration / affection for. I like to see Man City do well because my father supports them, but I am in no way a City fan. And Liverpool's opposition on any day also draws warmth from me, for obvious reasons.
As far as the Champions League goes for the remainder of this season, that means I wanted Real Madrid and Bayern to stay in it as they pose a greater threat to LFC's hopes of winning it than I believe either Sevilla or Juventus could have.
107 Posted 12/04/2018 at 09:35:49
108 Posted 12/04/2018 at 10:27:10
After scoring the penalty and running to the supporters, Ronaldo threw off his shirt, did his "most muscular" pose (a bodybuilding thing) and in the heat of the moment with all that going on around him he still had the presence of mind to very deliberately pull down his footie shorts a few inches to attain the "best look" for his waist in his tightie whities. Now that is sheer professionalism for you!
109 Posted 12/04/2018 at 10:36:58
There you go.
Even their fans are on board with beelzebub. ðŸ˜
110 Posted 12/04/2018 at 11:41:03
111 Posted 12/04/2018 at 12:21:14
112 Posted 12/04/2018 at 13:07:31
To my eye, he went ballistic. I think a man with no arms or legs could still go ballistic (although unlikely to be a goalkeeper!). Bang out of order.
113 Posted 12/04/2018 at 13:15:58
Red card justified too although one can understand the frustration of Juve being so close to at least extra time but can only blame themselves.
114 Posted 12/04/2018 at 13:25:52
Buffon can't at least say he is in the same camp as McFadden for being sent of for verbals.
115 Posted 12/04/2018 at 13:47:46
First up, I first took notice of Michael Oliver the referee when he reffed the Blackpool v Man Utd game. He was 25-26 I recall. I was hugely impressed then and I think he has developed into the best English ref in the PL today.
Secondly, for me it was 100% a penalty. For perhaps the only time over the 90 minutes, a RM player gets free and in behind the Juventus defence, centrally, in the 6 yard box.
A tremendous crossfield pass from Kroos picks out Ronaldo who has the ability and awareness to not only win the header, but to set up Vazquez rather than attempt a header on goal himself.
Vazquez is fully focussed on the ball. He is not looking to 'buy' the foul. The Juve defender Benatia clearly shoves Vazquez in the back. Even as Vazquez falls to the ground Benatia wraps his left foot around the RM player, catching him chest high. At no time in this play does Benatia make any sort of contact with the ball.
It doesn't matter it if happens in the first 15 seconds or the last 15 seconds of the match, or any time in between.
It doesn't matter what the state of play is, not even the extremely dramatic scenario of last night, the referee should not take into consideration any 'emotional consequences' as claimed by Buffon post match.
If the ref sees it, it is a foul, it is a penalty.
You further claim Mike that Oliver 'choked' by sending Buffon off. Didn't give himself 'space' to make the decision. And you also deny there was any 'manhandling'.
Oliver does not live in a bubble. He will know this season is Buffon's self-declared last season playing CL football, a trophy he has never won in his illustrious career.
Rather than being a bottler or choker, to award the penalty AND send off the Juve legend as he did, at the time he did, in the circumstances that he did, Oliver showed himself to be the complete opposite of those charges.
As for your charge of giving himself 'space' to make the penalty and red card decision, Oliver can be seen in the 'D' of the penalty area when the foul is committed. When he blows and gives the penalty, he runs forward before standing stock still just to the left of the penalty spot to which he points to in making his decision.
Naturally, as to be expected, the Juve players erupt. Oliver DOES back off, but he is surrounded on all sides by a swarm of Juve players. One of those is Buffon who (I agree with you) doesn't 'manhandle' Oliver per se, but he does bump into the back of the referee twice, once unbalancing Oliver. Shortly afterwards, the ref shows the red card.
As a football lover I would have been delighted to have seen the game go to extra time to see how things panned out. That they didn't was because a Juve player committed a foul to concede the decisive penalty and the team's most experienced player lost it and was removed from the field of play when his team needed him most.
Who knows what have may have resulted in a Ronaldo-Buffon shoot out? Who knows, even if Ronaldo did score against Buffon, if a calmer Juve couldn't have contrived a fourth goal in the time remaining to win the game?
As it was, the bedlam and delay that Buffon helped create allowed Ronaldo 5 minutes to compose himself and win the game for RM with an unstoppable penalty.
I have HUGE respect for how Juve played and what they (nearly) achieved last night.
I have HUGE respect for the Giant Legend that is Buffon.
I understand how raw the emotions must have been in the moment, the immediate aftermath of the game and again today, but some of Buffon's comments about Oliver - including now labelling him 'a murderer' - do him no credit at all.
116 Posted 12/04/2018 at 15:07:44
The straight red is the amateur approach. I know, that's what I would have done in the Sunday league I ref in. But that's not what a top-level international ref should do in an emotional moment in a CL quarter. It's officious bullshit, something Oliver has been guilty of before in my eyes. And perhaps not mine alone... interesting that such a talented ref has been passed over for the World Cup. (PS... I also said it was a pen.)
117 Posted 12/04/2018 at 15:56:34
To explain, I'm a Yank, so I'm not a born Blue, I'm made. Everton became my passion the first time I ever saw them play on TV --1985, the Cup tie against Ipswich with Sheedy's double free kick. But I was already 29 years old and had been soccer-mad since I was 13, the first time I ever touched a ball. (Still playing now at 62.)
Aside from being a committed fan of my hometown Chicago Sting (born 1975, defunct 1984, may they rest in peace), I built an affection for both Juve and Barca from watching them when their summer US tours came through Chicago. I was indoctrinated into Juve by an Italian-born teammate, and Cruyff's Barca enchanted me.
I still support both today in their league and Cup competitions, but my heart is Everton. When we played Juve in San Francisco four years ago, Lyndon will vouch for my being decked out in what little Everton gear I owned (one of the team PR people gifted me a scarf) and cheering my lungs out for the Blues. Went nuts over Stones' cheeky pen.
To those who believe that retaining those other longtime loyalties makes me insufficiently Blue, I'll simply say that's what I do, take it or leave it. (My wife doesn't mind that I'm still in touch with my ex.)
And to the pissant David Barks, who keeps posting the same snotty comment, I'll simply say fuck off.
118 Posted 12/04/2018 at 16:15:25
While I maintain that supporting multiple clubs is a bit ridiculous, as would most people on this site if you ask them, you should be aware of sarcastic humor by now if you've been around Evertonians for decades now. We find it funny that people would call themselves a supporter of Barcelona, Juventus and Everton. The “Fucking hell pick a clubâ€ was simply a joke. Do whatever you want, I don't really care. Not sure why you feel the need to call me a pissant and to fuck off.
119 Posted 12/04/2018 at 16:23:09
Mike has a right to reply in kind.
120 Posted 12/04/2018 at 16:39:41
What exactly do you 'thoroughly disagree' about my post?
An accurate reporting of the sequence of events as they unfolded?
The Juve team's reactions?
How Oliver handled the situation?
Because I mention them all. I also offered my opinion that it was a clear penalty. At no point do I claim that you said it wasn't a penalty. I read your previous posts in the thread carefully before penning my own reply and noted you conceded that 'a soft penalty is still a penalty, nonetheless.'
As a self-confessed referee yourself (at a very low level, judging by your own words) you quite rightly say it is prudent to 'ride out the wave of emotion for a few seconds, or even better to just walk to the side of the penalty area and see if the players follow and continue.'
Oliver attempted to do that, which you seem unwilling to admit. He awarded the penalty whilst stood close to the penalty area. He backs away - as much as he is allowed to, surrounded as he was by the mob of Juve players, to stand OUTSIDE the penalty area before sending Buffon off.
I agree with you Mike and already stated that Oliver was not 'manhandled', but to claim @ 84 as you do that it was 'a straight red for verbals – no touching' by Buffon is 100% false.
Buffon clearly bumps into the back of Oliver, not once but TWICE, the second time causing the ref to lose his balance. That is taboo! So on that alone it was perfectly legitimate to produce the straight red card,
Even then, Oliver did not immediately produce the red card, but Buffon would not give it up, when - as the respected and seasoned professional he is - he should have walked away and composed himself as THE man in the Juve team responsible for defending the penalty. He didn't.
Are you exempting the players themselves from any accountability for their actions and the consequences of those actions?
As for your speculation at just how vile the verbals were, you yourself quoted in this very thread the really nasty personal things Buffon said about Oliver after the match. Do you think on pitch he was quietly and politely asking Michael Oliver to re-consider his decision over a cup of tea and cucumber sandwiches...?
And Buffon compounded those insults further today by describing Oliver as 'a murderer'. Do you subscribe to that view also, Mike...?
Ta very much, but I'll stand by my stated opinions, both on last night's game and that I regard Michael Oliver as a fine referee.
He had an EXCELLENT game himself last night, over and beyond the single minute you wish to focus and condemn him on.
121 Posted 12/04/2018 at 16:43:18
Just thought I'd get that in.
Remember when you were a kid and there was a fight going on, and you'd sneak in a little punch from the sidelines? No? Just me then.
122 Posted 12/04/2018 at 16:49:06
I have no doubt your greatest passion is for Everton.
Due to family connections, emotional reasons and my travels, I also 'support' (adopt, if you will) other clubs. These include:
Queens Park (of Scotland)
and no less than 3 clubs in Brazil - Cruzeiro, Paysandu and since the plane crash of last year, Chapacoense.
123 Posted 12/04/2018 at 16:54:09
124 Posted 12/04/2018 at 18:33:05
There are a few other apt descriptions of the type you mention. ðŸ˜Š
125 Posted 12/04/2018 at 19:06:38
126 Posted 12/04/2018 at 19:39:00
Regarding the sending off I see it as epitomizing the problem for referees. At every corner in every premier game there are players who, by the book, should be sent off. A referee who sends one off will be technically right but wildly differing from his colleagues. Oliver was right in my view but wrong, if you get what I mean.
The governing bodies should spend the summer clearing up the rules. Swearing at the referee should be defined as a sending off or not. Same with the nonsense that goes on at corners. Referees are uniformally spineless. Oliver was not. Juve had the one referee in a hundred with a backbone. That, Mike, to me, makes them very, very unlucky.
Had Oliver refereed every derby game over many years I suspect he would be hated by Liverpool.
127 Posted 13/04/2018 at 12:35:32
128 Posted 13/04/2018 at 12:39:43
129 Posted 13/04/2018 at 12:48:22
I thought LFC would get Roma but, then again, Roma know Salah and they've already humbled Barcelona so here's hoping.
130 Posted 13/04/2018 at 12:48:47
131 Posted 13/04/2018 at 13:12:40
No other reason to support St Pauli is there?
Nudge nudge, wink wink!
132 Posted 13/04/2018 at 13:28:31
133 Posted 13/04/2018 at 13:29:42
An excellent answer to the accusation oft repeated on here: "You're not a true Blue"
134 Posted 13/04/2018 at 13:32:04
135 Posted 13/04/2018 at 13:34:44
You sound like Eric Idle.
Unless you mean turning left instead of right towards the ground when walking down the Reeperbahn?
136 Posted 13/04/2018 at 13:41:23
137 Posted 13/04/2018 at 13:57:40
Here in Brazil, local TV broadcast both Barca-Roma ties live, rather than t'other game. I watched every minute of both games.
Believe me, Roma were extremely hard done by in the 4-1 loss in Spain. They did not park the bus, but they were certainly very solid defensively.
Nor were they passive in attack. They took the game to Barca throughout and had many threatening moments of their own.
Barca only took a 2-0 lead thanks to two own goals. Roma deservedly pulled a goal back, then lost a third to a sucker counter attack. Even then they remained well in the game, until the dying minutes when a really, REALLY dumb mistake in the dying minutes gifted a chance to Suarez to make it 4-1.
It looked a goal too far for Roma to turn over in the 2nd leg. Not at all, as it proved. Roma absolutely twatted Barca. They easily kept Barca at arm's length and totally, but TOTALLY overran the visitors' midfield and had (until that night...) the best defence in this season's Champions League under constant pressure.
The particularly delightful Schadenfreude that football can throw up is that the two Roma players who scored the own goals for Barca in the first game skipper De Rossi and defender Manolas were the scorers of the crucial 2nd and 3rd goals that sent Roma through.
I for one believe, more than Man City, Roma has the all round game to nullify Liverpool's attack and ample in midfield and attack to overwhelm the pinkies' own frail defence.
And if you think Anfield can be hostile on European nights, wait until you hear the 90-minute reception our loveable neighbours will receive in Rome.
138 Posted 13/04/2018 at 14:07:09
139 Posted 13/04/2018 at 14:20:18
140 Posted 13/04/2018 at 14:22:50
The biggest fear I have is a lot of teams crumble before a ball is kicked at Anfield, especially on European cup nights. No matter how much they are told what to expect on the night they never seem ready for it. I hope the Roma team are fully prepared on the night.
141 Posted 13/04/2018 at 14:41:47
I am a little surprised as YWNA is an anthem for Saint Pauli fans do you join in or object on political grounds when you are there?
I can understand that you might align with them as a Blue because they, like us, are fucking awful but much more trendy, I will grant you that.
142 Posted 13/04/2018 at 14:48:17
JOIN FUCKING IN?
Not a word I generally use Eddie
143 Posted 13/04/2018 at 14:50:09
A little untrendy of me there.
144 Posted 13/04/2018 at 15:22:37
This Roma side are made of sterner stuff than some teams who crumble at Anfield.
Their manager, Eusebio Di Francesco, is a curious one. Ex-Roma player, managed a number of lowly clubs, sacked from a number, but at Sassuolo (Who??? ... Exactly!!!), 3-4 seasons back he won them promotion to Serie A for the first time and subsequently got them as high as 6th to qualify for the Europa League.
On the back of that, he was appointed Roma manager last summer... and look where they are now, even having sold Salah to t'neighbours.
He has them playing excellent pressing football all over the park. Very high octane. No little technical ability. Tigers in defence and tackling. Add him to our own manager wish list, perhaps...?
Interestingly, an earlier manager of Sassuolo who also contributed to their rise up the leagues was none other than Juve's excellent manager, Massimiliano Allegri.
Sounds as if the Sassuolo chairman knows how to spot a good manager a bit akin to our own guardians! Cough!
145 Posted 13/04/2018 at 22:49:14
I was in a works course today. National attendance. I got talking to a delegate. Female. She heard my accent. Assumed I was a scouser (correct). Assumed I was a Liverpudlian (incorrect).
I asked her where she was from (Carlisle) asked if she liked football (yes) asked her who she supported (Liverpool). We laughed, me asking why she supported Liverpool; she saying she liked the songs and the atmosphere ever since she could remember as a child although never visited!!!!
We got deeper and discussed Hillsborough and Heysel although, and this is where it got disappointing she asked what Heysel was. I'm 48 and she is 47. I was 15 at the time of Heysel, she was 14.
No loss of life at a leisure event is acceptable, but it seems a significant event has been forgotten in the midst of time in lieu of another. The latter was the fault of the authorities, and thankfully the law has exposed that. But what about the former?
Any loss of life at a sporting event is unacceptable, but I worry about the airbrushing of history. No unavoidable death is better than another. But society needs to remember them all equally, lest we lose something as humans
146 Posted 13/04/2018 at 22:59:01
It was really surprising how Man City played against RS (twice) â€“ three times if you include the last Premier League game but I have suspected the City defence had flaws long before those games and RS have the offence to exploit those flaws which they did. Playing Kompany ahead of Stones was a big blunder.
However, no-one in their right mind would have predicted that Roma would make that comeback against a terrific Barca team. The chances of Roma repeating that feat are remote and so they will be ultra defensive in the first leg against Salah and Co..
Having said all that, I am more enthused by the prospect of watching the Championship playoffs rather than Champions League.
147 Posted 13/04/2018 at 23:09:17
"No-one in their right mind would have predicted that Roma would make that comeback against a terrific Barca team. The chances of Roma repeating that feat are remote and so they will be ultra defensive in the first leg against Salah and Co."
You evidently didn't watch the TWO games Roma played against Barca. I did, as I reported @ 137.
Rest assured, they will not set up to be 'ultra defensive ' in the 1st leg at Anfield.
This is a very, very serious football team with a very, very good manager at the helm.
148 Posted 14/04/2018 at 22:57:21
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