Leighton Baines went off early after picking up an injury
Southampton 4 - 1 Everton
Everton got off to another terrible start at fellow strugglers Southampton, giving up a soft easy goal after missing easy chances to shoot.
So no Wayne Rooney starting for Everton, despite Oumar Niasse and Tom Davies being suspended. Mirallas replaces Lookman, with Calvert-Lewin the target man. Beni Baningime is on the bench. As for Saints, Charlie Austin is back in.
An early free-kick for the home side bounced of Jagielka and into Pickford's hands. A corner then fell to Charlie Austin who blazed over. They would have a good spell of attacking, while the Everton defence looked very nervey.
Lennon and Calvert-Lewin ran through to tee up Mirallas who took a touch rather than firing first time. At the other end, Cedric bamboozled Sigurdsson to cross in low for Adams whose shot hit the base of the post! Everton's first corner, from Sigurdsson, was cleared easily.
Mirallas had a fantastic chance to score when the ball came to him in space but he took way too many touches and over-ran it in the end. Southampton galloped up the other end and walked the ball into the net by Tadic.
Everton were unable to get the ball out of their half, Lennon twice losing possession while advancing, and the ball coming right back in the form of dangerous attacks. Baines pulled up with some sort of problem and was replaced by Williams, forcing a change in formation to a back three with Kenny switching to the left and Lennon dropping back.
Kenny did well to shaddoo turn on the byeline, pass well to Sigurdsson and on to Calvert-Lewin who feebly allowed it to run out of play. Keane blocked Davies's cross with his arm but at close range: no penalty given.
Kenny got forward and set up Sigurdsson for the cross to nowhere, miles away from Calvert-Lewin. More pressure from Southampton corners came perilously close to increasing their lead.
Just before half-time, Sigurdsson scored from virtually nothing, his first Premier League goal for Everton, a brilliant strike off beating Forster and hitting the the bar then in off the post.
Southampton continued to apply pressure, Gueye deemed to have been a little too strong on Boufal, setting up a free-kick from Ward-Prowse that was fired in low but cleared. Sigurdsson tried to feed Mirallas but he was perhaps unfairly dispossessed.
Charlie Austin scored a fine angled header, beating Pickford off the bar from a rapier-like cross by Bertrand to put the home side back in the lead early in the second half.
Not long after, and the same double-act saw Pickford beaten again, with Williams hopelessly failing to mark Austin. As The Saints looked to make it into a route, Pickford did better to stop further damage. Lookman replaced Mirallas but Everton were offering absolutely nothing going forward.
Lookman had a great run but just ran into trouble. Keane went down and Vlasic came on as Unsworth's final forced substitution. He did well to win his first ball but then passed to nobody.
Gueye came out with another of his atrocious shots from distance as Everton looked worse and worse as the game progressed, Sigurdsson trying his luck again but this time too close to Forster.
Long beat Jagielka with ease but fired wide of Pickford's goal. Davies saw some space and fired in an unstoppable shot across Pickford to make it four.
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1 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:33:35
2 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:37:36
3 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:38:30
4 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:40:39
5 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:41:51
The interplay between Sandro and Vlasic was one of the few positives of the Atalanta game but Unsworth has chosen not to try to nurture that but to play Calvert-Lewin as a lone striker again, a role that has proven fruitless every time Koeman played it, so why does Unsworth think it will work now?
I don't really give a fuck who the board appoint now they have kicked any optimism or hope out of me to the point were I simply don't care anymore. After 45 years of supporting Everton, I have given up.
6 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:42:37
9 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:49:36
Not that any of this particularly matters. We'll lose.
10 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:50:41
11 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:53:54
12 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:55:18
13 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:55:32
14 Posted 26/11/2017 at 13:57:12
15 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:00:42
16 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:01:23
One thing I know for sure: I don't like Moshiri. A seasoned billionaire and he can't steer the club into a positive direction!
He is not a football man. He does not have a heart for our club, and he has no clue how to address us supporters. I'd rather he takes his money and goes! We are better off without it.
17 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:02:41
18 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:07:43
This team is woeful. I can't even begin to talk about our offensive effort. Mirallas & Lennon wouldn't get into any other Premier League team.
The delay in appointing a manager is crippling us. I'm staggered that Moshiri isn't sat alongside Kenwright. The club is on it's knees and where is a our owner?? Beyond belief...
19 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:08:00
20 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:10:26
21 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:17:29
Another back 4, wrong formation, it doesn't work for the current team.
Sigurdsson starting, why, he's been awful all season. Prey for an over due free kick goal.
No chance of a clean sheet so we will be chasing the game. Does no one learn!?
23 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:19:47
24 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:21:09
25 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:21:39
26 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:22:22
27 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:22:31
28 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:24:19
We've been awful though.
It's the norm for people to talk about things being the worst they've known in all sorts of situations but this really is the worst I've known. Smith, Martinez, Kendall, Walker... the club feels more broken than ever. The playing squad is just one part of it. I've never had less hope and really think we're fucked this season.
29 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:24:26
30 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:24:47
They can offer width. The rest of the 7 players need to stay back, mark a man not watch and see if we can get to half time.
Then Sandro can come on and link with DCL
31 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:29:29
32 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:29:29
Get a manager in before it's too late, because this sorry lot are embarrassing, and only the kid Kenny, looks like he's got the fight that's required to play for Everton.
I'm worried, the only difference is it's getting worse, and these players are just going through the motions, and need someone to give them some direction, because they don't look like they've got it in them otherwise.
33 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:31:32
Doesn't the skill and finish Siggy produced not demonstrate what area of the park he should be operating in?
And yet both Koeman and Unsworth have had him playing wide or deep (or both!), effectively nullifying what he can offer the team.
There is so much so appalling awry with this team at the moment. On their goal, Kenny is battling for the ball deep in their corner of defence. It's from open play. Not a set piece. So how the hell, when the ball is turned over, 1-2-3 passes later and the ball is in our net with our central defenders way out of position, all over the shop, and Baines too slow to cover across?
Another thing that is becoming glaringly obvious in recent games is, this team is not up to the physicality of the PL. Time and time again, we lose the ball in the tackle...the opposition brush through our challengers...our players fall at their feet.
The space S'ton have got to play in, especially down our left flank, is frightening.
Continue in the same vein in the 2nd half and there will only be one result: another defeat.
This is PAINFUL to endure.
34 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:34:27
Worse thing is that nothing has been changed tactically. Unsworth just sitting on the bench not reacting to what is happening in front of him.
35 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:34:49
36 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:35:59
I've loved Baines down the years but I'm secretly happy about his injury. He needs a rest and it's time to get another kid in at left back, as Baines is on the wane.
37 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:37:11
I want to take William's off, he and Schneiderlin should never play again for us, never mind the same team. Could Schneiderlin play centre-back and bring Beni on?
38 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:44:49
39 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:46:51
Q - DID ANY OF OUR PLAYERS LOOK TIRED WHEN THEY CAME OFF AT HALF TIME LIKE YOU WOULD EXPECT IF THEY WERE PUTTING IN A SHIFT?
They should look like they need a 15 minute break not a hot toddy.
40 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:47:04
41 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:47:16
42 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:49:27
43 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:50:23
44 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:50:38
Teams must be looking forward to playing us for a guaranteed 3 points. Koeman has stolen his wage and payout for his incompetent and reckless time at the club. He should have been sacked for just doing an awful job.
45 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:51:15
46 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:52:04
47 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:53:26
48 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:54:02
49 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:55:22
Telling me Rooney can't get in this side. Unsworth out and now!!
50 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:55:35
51 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:56:47
Do the silly bastards who go on about coaching, not realise it's no fucking good without management? These players have had the life sucked out of them because of changes and formations, and need someone to come in and simplify it right now.
52 Posted 26/11/2017 at 14:57:07
I can't see how we are not going to be relegated on this form, we are truly shit all over the park. There isn't even any fight today and don't get me started on Keane's performance!! Sad days...
53 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:02:16
54 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:03:28
55 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:05:10
Was that comment a joke?
56 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:06:15
57 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:07:28
The whole club is rotten to the core. The board, chairman and players need to take full responsibility for this debacle and hang their heads in shame! Every last one of them is a fucking disgrace.
58 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:11:32
59 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:16:55
We're relying on there being 3 worse teams in the league. There aren't.
60 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:18:37
Unsworth has been hung out to dry and, sadly, I believe they, shameless indeed, are not playing for him. Time for an immediate appointment. We are in grave danger of relegation.
61 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:18:46
God we are awful.
62 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:18:52
Whoever we get as manager, I hope he can organise a defence otherwise we're as good as down.
63 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:19:46
64 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:20:18
65 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:20:31
66 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:22:47
are the way they are.
67 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:23:38
I just can't see the next point.
68 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:24:31
69 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:26:14
70 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:27:23
6 pointer on Wednesday.
John #71 - would you stay at the club after this? This is going to cost us our U23 coach too.
71 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:27:49
Like now, this very minute please, or sooner.
72 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:28:50
Toward the end there were 9 Everton players in a line across the box and not one moved to close down anything. There is no want, no passion, no desire, no invention, I'd give siggy a 7 but not one other players gets above a 1 for me. Was a performance like a Training ground exercise.
My son, who is a fan said to me, dad, this isn't good for you. Let's support someone else. Says it all.
73 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:29:43
The players look like relegation fodder and everything about this once great club stinks. I can't believe that we haven't got a manager in place by now. But really, who in their right mind would want to manage us?
74 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:31:13
75 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:31:48
Destroyers in chief of a proud club.
Fuck off the lot of you, and take your egos, ineptitude, greed and stupidity with you. And whilst you are it, stick that mouth piece called Jim White where the sun don't shine.
A horrible week to be an Evertonian.
76 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:31:52
I don't believe Unsworth doesn't know what he's doing. His record with the Under 23s speaks for itself. I DO believe that the players simply aren't listening. That's much more of a concern.
I pray to God I never see Everton play a half of football like the second half today ever again. There are not three worse teams than us in this league. In that sort of mood we literally will lose to anyone.
I'm shaking with anger after watching that. I cannot believe it, And I'm usually someone who has a healthy perspective about these things. I want to smash the phone I'm writing this on straight into the pavement. I suspect I'm angrier than a lot of the players are, which makes me angrier again.
These are dark dark days. Not sure where we go from here.
77 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:32:41
There is now fear in these players eyes.
I would not be surprised if Unsworth steps down himself after yet another tanking.
SOMEBODY at the club needs to show direction and leadership and take control of the situation
The numbers don't lie. Consistently, the teams with the worst defensive record get relegated. We are comfortably winning that race.
78 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:33:41
Correct again. Unsy looking at Ebbrell, nothing happens. Worse for me was Joe Royle leaving his seat putting his arm on Unsworth shoulder and whispering advice.
Surely there can be nobody who can give a case for Unsworth staying on after today.
79 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:34:24
We have Bolasie and Coleman to come back, and that might help, but Barkley will be gone by the end of January and I'm not sure if he's have done any better than the lot we've been putting out every week.
80 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:34:57
God knows how, but we are.
81 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:36:04
82 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:36:49
83 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:37:11
This is the worst group ever to embarass our club. Unfortunately David Unsworth is finished.
84 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:39:17
85 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:39:39
86 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:39:54
87 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:40:02
How did you know that I was going to post that?
88 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:42:07
89 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:44:18
Cannot wait to hear the next official utterings from an incompetent Board, clueless player or inept caretaker management team.
Never, ever believed the club would end up as the laughing stock we have become...and we have certainly had tough times to stomach before.
90 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:44:30
We've tried the boom and bust approach under Ronald Koeman and it's well and truly bust. We need a manager who will look at us as a long term proposition and not just a stepping stone to further their own career, will get the club, be hungry and will build us up slowly because we've not got the money to spend like a Man City. The best players aren't going to come. We're just overpaying for overrated players. We need a long term approach.
Appointing Sean Dyche is so glaringly obvious.
91 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:44:48
Unsworth is obviously out of his depth and its time he was back with the Under 23s and we had a new manager in.
I have been an Everton supporter for 50 years and I have never been so ashamed.
Come on somebody sort it out before its to late !!!!!
92 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:45:22
93 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:45:58
But who would want to be in the trenches with that lot that played today.
Apart from Sigurdsson, Kenny and Calvert-Lewin, who all may not have played well but showed some passion the rest were a disgrace.
As I said on the live forum they should reimburse the travelling fans and give the rest of the weeks wages to EitC.
Absolutely disgusted by what I saw today. There is confidence that may be effected but it doesn't stop a player showing effort. Saw little of that from nearly all today.
94 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:46:51
Yet again Tony Marsh has got it right. We need an experienced no-nonsense manager to organise and motivate us to get us out of this mess. This is easily the worst I have ever known and it has cost us £200m. Koeman should be jailed!
The mess we are in is incredible but even more incredible is that with a bit of good management it can be turned around easily.
95 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:47:43
96 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:48:08
97 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:48:09
I have no clue who could step in but things are obviously horribly wrong on and off the pitch. The fuckwits at the top have put the club in an utterly desperate position, and the fucking disgrace that is the playing squad are lapping up astronomical salaries whilst turning out dog shit in each and every game.
98 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:48:24
We are doomed. It is clear when you see Bill not sat alongside Moshiri that all is not well with the club.
Worst season I've ever had the pleasure of supporting Everton. I feel more sorry for those of us who never got to see the Everton of old and witnessed our better days.
I am truly worried to see who Moshiri brings in because it seems there is discord between him and Bill. I may be wrong but the body language from our group in the stands today suggests they are not joined at the hip like they ought to be. Worrying times for sure.
A good effort from a few today but they are living on their nerves.
99 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:48:27
100 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:48:53
"Top six" haha a distant memory. I've never seen a worse group of players in an Everton squad. Back in the dark days of the early eighties we always had 4-5 keep em's. Don't get me wrong there were some terrible players. In the mid seventies we were never this poor. ToffeeWebbers please come up with an argument to prove me wrong.
101 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:49:23
Unsworth should resign to force Mosh into getting big Sam or whoever. The whole thing is a shambles.
102 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:49:47
Wonder if the big Sam poll on TW will still be 80/20 on Thursday after West Ham have feasted on us. Remember, the shite come straight after.
In well over 50 years this is the most disorganised team I've been witness to in a Everton kit. Gone past dismay now, think I'm moving on to anger then next comes acceptance in my many step program.
103 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:49:58
They play as if they have never seen each other before and don't wish to see each other ever again. A bad patch does not prevent players from at least closing down, working hard and making a bloody effort. Can you imagine Sir Alex putting up with what we have just seen. As for the supporters who made the journey, God bless them, the Club should reimburse the costs of every one and take the money out of the players' wages. The rest of the wages should go to charity.
As for sending them to a glue factory anything made from this pathetic bunch would not stick !!!!
104 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:50:25
Blame the manager, the chairman, anyone, but when a player crosses that white line they should be prepared to run themselves into the ground. Fucking disgusted at them.
The only upside is that I won't miss any of I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here on Wednesday because I am NOT wasting my time and going to watch that shower of complete cowards.
105 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:50:38
Everton board needs to wake up now. Would be happy with almost any other manager except Martin O'Neill that is. Disgraceful performance from most of the team other than a few like Kenny. Gutted at the state Koeman has left us in.
106 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:50:54
"It's the norm for people to talk about things being the worst they've known in all sorts of situations but this really is the worst I've known. Smith, Martinez, Kendall, Walker... the club feels more broken than ever. The playing squad is just one part of it. I've never had less hope and really think we're fucked this season."
Articulated perfectly, this is exactly how I feel. And have felt for a long time as well.
My total respect for you and the other blues there, this club presently doesn't deserve fans like you. I'm at the anger stage too, and I've noticed quite a few others feeling the same way. Today definitely felt like the end of something. That was so bad today it really has to be addressed or we're done.
107 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:52:10
They can't even do the basics properly and It is always someone else's fault why things are going wrong...that's Koeman's influence shining through. The OAP defenders are to blame but we continue to use them. Baines, Jags and Williams have to shoulder a lot of the blame.
The new manager... wherever he is... should be in tonight which is a month late in my opinion. He needs to be technically astute, look at all the players he has and pick the strongest in that position then drill them on the training pitch for days and nights until they know each other inside out and then drill them some more.
It's time for these players to earn their money and the reward is less drilling when we finally start winning matches. We really are in the last chance saloon now.
108 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:52:15
Shocking lack of leadership and indecisiveness shown by the Board. Allardyce met Moshiri twice, Moshiri then fannied around, that opportunity is now gone. We are left with a situation where no decent manager may want to take us on, a dire situation was left to drift for 6 weeks, it's now almost certainly unmanageable.
109 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:55:21
I was appalled when the 4th goal went in that Steve Walsh actually shared a huge smile and a little laugh with his wife (the blonde next to him). I couldn't help but shout at him and they looked embarrassed and looked away).
I have a message for those who watched in their suits who control our club. I was almost ejected for trying to shout it. "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum."
I'm not quite sure whether our board share the same values as we have grown up with. I'm a mid-40s season ticket holder and this is as bad as I remember. COYB
110 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:55:44
This is a Club in an incredible downward serious situation. A Club in need of serious help and a total Health Check.
We are and have been in decline for many years and have never seemingly stepped back and said why.
I am totally unconvinced by Moshiri - we thought he was a "businessman" and would bring much needed business "savvy" to our old fashioned "family club" he isn't and he hasn't. He made his money not through his own business acumen but by being a back-room paper man to another business man.
Changing the Manager and Players is needed urgently, desperately.
But we need someone big enough to ask for help. We need specialist help. We need a Sports Psychologist urgently. We need an outside man/company to advise us to give an overview of where we are and what we need to do.We need an astute businessman urgently. We need a motivator and leader desperately . We need a Big Manager who has no fear and we are in need of a Big Player.
This Club needs to take stock, clean itself out and really begin again or in my opinion we are heading for oblivion.
111 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:57:47
I salute you mate for making that journey and having to go through that. If there's any justice you'll be contacted by the club to reimburse you for what you've spent.
112 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:58:38
'Mystery illness ravaged Merseyside businesses yesterday as sickness hits record level, 50% of employees fail to make it into work.'
'Also yesterday, Norway announces new National Holiday.'
113 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:59:02
They should be ashamed to collect their wages. I never thought I'd say this, we need to see Big Sam's fat-head butting over payed mercenaries at Finch Farm and organising the rabble we've got into some kind of dreary grind 'em out defensive team!
114 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:59:07
We were in deep shit a month ago and now, thanks to the dithering board and deluded fans, we are in even deeper shit now!!!
Fucking get him in now, FFS!!!
115 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:59:21
As for Unsworth, if he was my PE teacher I would be contacting Ofsted. So out of his depth!
116 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:59:44
Dear Madam and Sirs
I have supported Everton Football Club for 55 years. In saying that the esteem and regard of the Club has never been lower than at present is far from exaggeration. Unless you all look to your own actions and often lack of action and reflect inwardly on what you bring to the Club, it is no exaggeration to say you are going to oversee our demise into the lower league for the first time since 1951.
I ask you all with the utmost of respect and sincerity to reflect on that statement for the whole of your waking days in the coming week then do what is both honourable for you personally and right for Everton.
It is an unpleasant truth that the whole Club has been in a freefall since the late 1980's. At times, there has been a levelling out of the rate of decline on the pitch, but off the pitch, the Club has fallen far from its motto of â€˜nothing satisfies but the best'. For a Club of Everton's footballing heritage and traditions, frankly we as supporters have been sold short, misled and downright had our intelligence insulted for the entire period by inept leadership of the Club we love.
This burying of your heads in the sand, the selling off the family silver since the 1990's culminating in the ineptitude shown in recent months with the selling of our top goal scorer, the replacement with players of lower quality and debatable requirement, the mishandling of the dismissal and any subsequent appointment as team manager, the dubious role of Mr Walsh etc. etc. are all within your sphere of responsibility. You are not doing your role as company officers' by allowing this to continue. I and other supporters are heartbroken by this situation and despite the increasingly desperate situation; nothing seems to be being done.
I issue you with a simple challenge, a reminder of our former benefactor, shareholder and Chairman, Mr Moores, who stated; "Everton has a good support, a very loyal support but they pay their money and they expect to see the team do well, and if they team are not doing well they expect something to be done about it, and something will be done about it! " Well what is being done about it now I ask?
Game after game we have seen the current team literally give in to the opposition. How can that be right? I have followed the game and out Club long enough to accept players of variable ability but never of variable application – it simply is unacceptable. This afternoon's game is just one further example of that. Such situations my life experience has taught me generally start at the head of an organisation and filter down. That comment in no way absolves the players from what I have said but does indicate your handling of the Club is far from satisfactory. The ultimate responsibility and accountability for the situation rests at Board level.
117 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:59:47
Does Moshiri have a clue?
118 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:59:51
'Chosen' - 'cursed' more like!
119 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:00:44
Unsworth has not helped by changing the formation and players every game.
We need a tough new manager who is able to install some discipline and raise the pathetically low standards.
I would take Sean Dyche tomorrow who would immediately organise the team and kick some arse.
120 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:00:50
What we need is a massive clear out. Jeffers, Fergusson, Ebbrell. Also the long term scroungers. Sharp Snodin and Stewart. I have never seen a worse Everton side than this. Its that bad I'm even thinking Big Sam Or Pulis might be the answer. Joe Royle saved us but we had dogs of war, this team is full of poodles.
121 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:01:23
You cannot play with both Gana and Schneiderlin. They are not able to keep the midfield together as they can not build uo play. In the ideal world none of them should play since they are pretty useless. They put preassure on the back line because they loose the ball all the time.
What is wrong with Lookmans defensive play? He is continously misplaced in defense. Has noone taught him how to play defense?. He looks exactly like when he came to everton. Good in offense but terribly hopeless in defense. Where has coaching been here???
Michael Keene...what has happened to this guy??
122 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:01:58
The treatment of Unsworth by our loathsome, shithouse Board has been disgusting.
Time for Everton fans to show their teeth.
123 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:03:06
Said it from day one, Unsworth could not manage a pub team.
124 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:04:29
125 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:04:32
Unsworth had no idea how to manage the Baines injury and I feared for us as soon as he went off.
126 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:04:55
No plan to get in a new manager when they were getting rid of our Dutch Master, and now, six weeks later, still rudderless and nothing happening.
What was that saying from Dad's Army: "We're doomed I tell ye, doomed!!"
127 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:07:03
As others have said, we look beyond repair and those running the club are doing nothing. They seem to be as shell-shocked as the players. Is there any chance of a way out of this? It looks very doubtful...
128 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:08:49
I think this is so embarrassing in which we are falling about all over the pitch late on too. We are not moving the ball quickly and the opposite side knows we are good and filling all over the pitch with the same outcome. I seen Koeman last year fix this with Morgan Schneiderlin because they had us.
I think Everton should play with a sweeper. I in turn loved Gareth Barry to play there and today I think we need that so there is a spare man running behind them when there caught out. I think we should we play on defensive and never allow James McCarthy and Idrissa Gueye to spilt up and never move from the back 8 and never move across the half-way line. I can't see why don't play on the offside like Duncan Ferguson was training in Europe the last time under Martinez as it worked.
I think we need a manager soon and a more players in January. I will see you on Wednesday at West Ham.
129 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:10:10
This is as bad as 1958 pre-Bobby Collins when the whole of Eglington, Fielding, Lello and Farrell all became very old together.
Why would Dyche or Silva want to come to Goodison? Money wouldn't compensate for losing their status within the game. Relegation looks inevitable. I've seen Everton in the second tier, I'll be seeing them there again next season unless something miraculous happens soon.
130 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:11:16
Ronnie Goodlass saying Unsworth shouldn't be near the first team totally agree. Looking at gormless faces of Unsworth, Ebrell & Ferguson on that bench was fucking laughable.
Amateur hour reigns supreme with all things Everton from top to bottom. Gang of absolute goons.
131 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:11:24
No matter what others might say we have some quality players and just need to find some fluency ASAP.
132 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:12:06
133 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:12:16
It will take a fucking miracle to avert relegation unless things change. Board are rubbish, management and coaching are rubbish... tea room not much better.
They basically need to just get to basics because, after West Ham and The Redshite, maybe reality will set in.
Why is there no emergency board meeting on Monday morning or is there?
134 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:12:30
If it was would it make any fucking difference?
135 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:13:20
I feel for Unsy. An Evertonian, who stood up and volunteered, he's also taken his chance to manage but it looks a forlorn hope; it seems to me that whatever he does, there is no cohesion, no pattern, no confidence and very little fight.
In my view, it is a side issue about what Unsy does with this team, he can only try his best. We have needed a manager for at least a month; and I cannot believe that this Board has sacked one without having a top class manager come in. Or even a manager who would give us a chance of getting in enough players who have the bollocks for a relegation fight and who have enough professionalism to do a job that's asked of them.
I don't think anyone, whoever they are, can make much of an effective team with the current squad of players and we'll be doing well if we can get enough of them to, at least, sweat blood for this club.
We have a very proud history and a great record but that doesn't help us one iota now. It is a battle and it's a battle for survival. Those who talk about O'Neill as a dour defensive manager, or Allardyce as somehow not worthy to manage this club, or even Sean Dyche who is evidently not good enough to be considered are, in my view, living in some parallel universe.
We won't be playing lovely, attractive football, fast flowing and deadly, for at least the rest of this season, if not longer. We are a club whose wheels have well and truly come off, and we're at the bottom of the hill.
I think it will be a job very well done if we avoid relegation. I think the list of managers who would come and manage this basket case of a club has shrunk alarmingly. I can't see a "top class manager" whoever he is, coming to this club and doing the necessary. The necessary is get shut of some of the dead wood that currently fill positions in the first team and replace them with players who'll give us a chance.
If we make it to the end of the season still in the Premier League, then perhaps, the manager, or whoever picks the players wanted, can bring some more in.
I hope whoever is going to make the decision on the Board realises where up shit creek without a paddle and gets a feller in who knows how to construct a team within the few short weeks of the January window.
Seeing as Moshiri is putting most of the money (probably the only one) into this club, I hope if it's him that's making the decision, it is made tomorrow... or even tonight!
136 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:13:31
Ash Moore (#76). You "don't believe Unsworth doesn't know what he's doing"? What the absolute fuck?!?
137 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:13:35
Couldn't play them at a better time, then the derby to look forward to. Palace won yesterday, and I can see this team being bottom at Christmas. Not sure even Moshiri can fund the sort of spending spree to get us out of that.
No, things are fucken grim.
John Do you think he tells Keane and Williams to defend like fucking Laurel and Hardy, mate? Or do you think he's trying to set up a team that has no options?
I personally think it's the latter. What formation do you play when your senior pros are the ones making the fuck-ups that are killing you?
138 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:14:14
More worrying is the Board has been also shown not to be up to the level required in their selection of a manager and potential replacements. This has resulted in signing players who are not up to the standard required.
In the space of a year this is where we have got to. What a shambles. Where is the manager required going to come from? Are the Board capable of finding him? And who is going to want the job in these circumstances?
Our only hope is that the puppet master decides to get rid of Moshiri and take over himself. Kenwright should be history.
139 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:14:31
140 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:17:04
We sacked Koeman a month ago! West Ham sacked Billic & had Moyes in place to take over in about a week! West Brom sacked Pullis & look like they have got Pardew ready to come in.
There was one player who earned his wages today, Kenny, the rest were shocking.
If we are seriously after Silva, the board need to wake up & realise it isn't going to happen.
I am very worried not only won't we be able to attract the right manager, but what players who can improve us are going to want to come in January?
It is disgraceful!
141 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:17:22
Keane limping heavily as well on the way out to the coach. The board's private jet awaits probably as opposed to the coach journey and 5-hour train journey that the Everton fans have to contemplate today. Conceded 9 goals and scored two in the space of 4 days.
142 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:17:57
Also, get shut of Martina and Klaassen too, for just not being good enough and so hiding in games.
143 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:20:29
We're so slow and obvious in transition its easy for the opposition to get back in shape in good order.
Schneiderlin and Gana mark space not men playing between the lines. They come over too late which leaves our defence horribly exposed.
We need our fans and supporters to stop asking for high level managers that have excelled at AC Milan, Real Madrid, New Man City et al.
Someone to stop the haemorrhage, we're bleeding. Someone who commands fear and respect short term but can stop the flow. Someone who unifies spirit first and foremost. We cannot turn our noses up.
144 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:20:42
You know what, I hate this distractionary globalist "Message" shit being piggy-backed onto sport. Never mind all the people sleeping on the streets, let's make sure we're all "Aware" and "Educated" about people's sex lives, and all the "Unfairness" around it.
As if the performance of the team isn't annoying enough.
146 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:21:38
This icon of British Sport is on it's knees and the money men are laughing up our backs.
Finished until Kenwright fucks off.
147 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:22:28
A new manager needs to be in place by the time we play West Ham and everybody needs to get behind him because he has one hell of a task in front of him!
148 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:23:52
I agree with Si Turner (#131), Dyche ought to be persuadable. Anyone who takes the job will be showing that he is up for an almighty challenge and that in itself will say something important about him.
There is gold worth digging for, even if it is buried deep.
We must not surrender to despair and I say that as one of the biggest cynics on here. We are not in the relegation places and it can be turned around.
This is a very dark time but it is so dark that it might bring about some long overdue and fundamental changes, not least in the attitude of our farcical Board.
All is not lost, not by any means. Let's start again on Wednesday.
149 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:23:56
As I have said since the Koeman takeover,which I thought from day one was a recipe for disaster, we have become a very bad joke throughout the football world, when even a dyed in the wool Evertonian turns out to be unable to instill any semblance of confidence or motivation in the players then who the hell can???
For too many years now we have been saddled by a gang of incompetents who continue to fiddle while we burn, even the addition of a billionaire has done little to inspire EFC apart from the Possibility of a new stadium, at this time of the festive season of peace and hope, Evertonians can only expect to hear 'God Help Us Every One'.
150 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:24:04
Wasn't there supposed to be a stirring up of a fighting spirit by now?
You know, part of the rationale for why we should all be getting behind "Unsy"?
Some of our fans deserve everything they get.
151 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:24:33
We seem to be like a blind man flailing around stumbling towards the edge of a cliff.
Moribund, and most worryingly nothing from the club. Clammed up, paralysed with fear.
Fear attracts predators, we are are weak and exposed.
I really don't know what will work.
152 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:24:53
He's clueless, if he was our new manager, after seven defeats we would be calling for him to be sacked! The change has to come from the top, Kenwright has to resign, until he does, and this once a blue attitude changes, we are never going to get anywhere!
A complete clear out is needed. Our only chance to staying in the premier is a foreign coach bringing a nucleus of a team in, four or five players, and starting again.
I've supported Everton since I was a child and this fucking lot should be ashamed of themselves. I would not pay them and let them take me to court to get their undeserved wage. Bunch of lazy uncaring twats the lot of them!
153 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:25:03
154 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:26:05
155 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:26:06
But I'm deeply disappointed in Unsy because we've got to get the basics right, and that isn't happening.
156 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:26:28
Nil Sats Nisdi Optimum! is right but I wonder what the Latin is for
"Another fine mess you've got us into!"
157 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:28:51
Two down and neither Rooney nor Sandro brought on. It's not like Calvert-Lewin looked like he was going to score.
Vlasic out of nowhere is the man to try to bring the game back. He couldn't make the squad up to now.
It's going to be a tough, tough job for anyone to do anything with this team but Unsworth ain't up to it.
I can't wait to get Coleman back and see if his enthusiasm rubs off one some of them.
158 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:31:16
Listened on R5L and Steve Claridge was knowledgeable,
analytical, measured and damning in his assessment of us - and not for the first time this season.
(By the way, he did not think Niasse should have been charged the way he has been. New respect for SC.)
No point in highlighting the dire straits we are in any further.
What can we do to address the situation as of now?
1. We need a new manager for the short term salvage operation that this season has become and we need that man appointed by Tuesday this week at the latest.
Where is the urgency / leadership when we need it?
2. Operation Lazarus won't involve any fancy ideas, philosophies (puke) or any other modern day, popular notion of "how the game should be played".
It'll be Dogs of War II.
3. I'd go for a manager from these shores as I can't see any foreign manager aligning with point 2 above. Those decrying Allardyce, Dyche, MON need to seriously re-think their assessment of the situation.
A third of the season gone and we are on the brink.
Note - I heard on Radio Merseyside that no team that has conceded as many goals as we have at this point in the season has survived.
Very dark times.
159 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:32:15
Come to think of it, we're starting to look worryingly like Villa did when they went down.
160 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:32:34
161 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:34:08
162 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:35:36
Bill kept looking at the Everton fans in the second half. He feels out pain but the others, Elstone and Walsh, don't seem so concerned.
I predict an appointment very very soon and I think Steve Walsh will exit too. I hope so as his behaviour was unforgivable today. Apart from our goal before half time there was absolutely nothing to smile or laugh about. Especially as our Director of Football was tasked with signing the â€˜talent' we had on display today.
Oh Steve did you notice that we had no cover at left-back when Baines got injured? Or the fact that Charlie Austin looked like the player we have been missing?
Stuck in traffic now so probably 6 hours home on the train to look forward to. Enjoy you prosecco on the plane, Steve. (Oh and your salary too.)
163 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:35:41
I can understand, but not accept totally, that one or two players can have an off-day, they are human, but for the malaise shown by basically all of them, is beyond comprehension.
I have said all along that we need not only a football tactician, but a psychologist too.
164 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:36:23
165 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:36:28
166 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:37:03
Show the shower of shite how to battle, bite and scratch a result.
167 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:38:28
I have said all along that we need not only a football tactician, but a psychologist too.
I think you mean psychiatrist.
168 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:39:32
I don't see a foreign coach (a manager with no premiership experience) knowing enough about the players available to be up for a relegation scrap.
I think it will be hard to get Sean Dyche in, or any manager who sees us as a bad risk, so, Martin O'Neill, Sam Alladyce, possibly Sean Dyche,. that's about all who'd come that I can see who'll give us a chance of staying up
169 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:40:02
170 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:40:10
Looking at poor old Rhino, staring into space, unshaven, waiting for Joe Royle to tell him what to do next, he'll be joining you shortly...
171 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:41:02
I feel nothing right now but deep deep sadness that the team I have loved is finished. Everton Football Club. RIP.
172 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:41:45
173 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:42:18
Moshiri wanted Koeman, wanted Walsh, wanted to sell Lukaku and now hes using Unsworth like a whore.
174 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:42:20
Looking at the bigger picture, I think we are fucked. Relegation is now looming fast, I can't think of one positive.
175 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:43:28
Kenwright looked like he didn't give a shit to me. He should do, he has caused this shambles for the last twenty years and what made watching the match worse was his fat ugly mug on our TV screens.
176 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:43:47
I've got a horrible feeling that none of those names are on the shortlist.
177 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:45:06
It seems that for many football fans, if you've given many years to a club, are passionate about that club and are/were a fan favourite, that qualifies you to be a manager, or to be absolved of blame when things go badly. Witness the multiple suggestions six weeks ago to give the job, til the end of the season, to someone who'd never managed a pro club at any level. Just because he was David Unsworth, club legend, and he'd done well with the kids.
Well, we are now seeing the folly of that. The man is out of his depth, and we are regressing rapidly. Team selections and tactics have been appalling, and that has nothing to do with the uncertainty engendered by the permanent manager situation.
If passion for the club is the sole criterion for being the manager, why not just appoint somebody randomly out of the Gwladys Street End? We need a good manager, and any connection to the club is utterly unimportant. There are people above seriously suggesting Joe Royle. Christ, is it 1990 again suddenly? How regressive and short-sighted can you get?
Get Unsworth out, get Ferguson out and restructure the management from top to bottom. It's the only way to save the club from imminent disaster.
178 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:45:09
179 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:46:49
180 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:47:45
Consider playing ten men rather than picking Schneiderlin, he's absolute rubbish! Calvert-Lewin, for whatever skill he has, is not a target man or a leader of the line. The defence is a joke hardly worthy of the name and we name only one defender on the bench. Jagielka, Williams and possibly Baines should not be considered again, I'd sooner play a couple of the kids. If anyone came out of this with any credit it was Kenny, right back then left back, anyone notice how they changed wings when he moved while Lennon and Jagielka couldn't cover right back between them, even Robles playing right back couldn't have been that bad!
I've never been so ashamed to be an Evertonian, Southampton were taking the piss and they weren't good enough to do it! Today was just the product, the problem is rife throughout the club, both new and old and the blame will be worn by those who had least to do with it. Dust off the Wimbledon speech, Bill, as it's on the cards again this season.
181 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:47:51
Moshiri has allowed Everton to become a laughing stock.
Simeone!? You're having an effing giraffe! We got turned down by Big Sam! We will not be able to get a manager with the experience to improve us. It's up to the players to keep us up and clearly they don't care. Overpaid loafers with no emotional attachment to EFC. If Everton go down they'll just move to a new club. No skin off their backs.
It's down to the squad and they don't care. Looking pretty bleak right now.
182 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:48:42
183 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:49:56
I know the club is rotten at the top but this isn't an excuse for these guys to cower on the pitch and hide. We not only need a manager we need men who are prepared to fight.
184 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:51:03
185 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:52:25
Would like to see if TW will rerun the 80/20 Big Sam poll. Go on, it'll be an insight into epiphany. And they say a week is a long time in politics.
187 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:52:39
I do feel sorry for Unsworth - he clearly loves the club and it was a terrible inheritance from Koeman. I'd say there had been a marginal improvement before Atalanta, but these two defeats have knocked us back to position we were in when Claridge first saw us. Needs to be sorted, tomorrow ideally. I'd prefer AVB - his record is sound and he knows the league; O'Neill is yesterday's man and his record outside Scotland, where he managed the one decent team in a one team league, is nothing to get too excited about. Is there even a third person on the list? I'm assuming Dyche is not a possibility.
188 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:54:31
Peter Reid once said to one of his teams "just keep the ball, pass and move" something we are inept at doing presently.
189 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:54:39
Still though, he's not welcome.
190 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:55:33
No team has a God given right to remain in the Premiership, but to not even challenge, and have a proper go, is unforgiveable.
192 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:55:40
Kenwright is far from the muddled character he is made out to be.
He is a scheming, underhanded cold heart business man who has rode the Evertonian train for 20 years. He has his reward with the fortune he wangle for his shares while remaining in the same position.
We will never progress while he has influence over the club.
193 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:56:45
It's as if they've been threatened to not win. I can rarely remember seeing such fear throughout a team, any team.
194 Posted 26/11/2017 at 16:59:34
Got to agree with others that I could only see the novice that is young Kenny (from a family of reds too) actually playing with any pride.
A miracle is needed to save this Club from oblivion, can't see it happening while Kenwright remains.
195 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:00:15
The fans, who are the foundations of Everton Football Club are wavering and wobbling because they are concerned that something they love is about to be demolished and there is nothing that they can do about it.
The real problem is not what happens on the pitch but what happens in the boardroom. The lack of response from the board to the current issues is a telling statement as to the stresses and tensions between the members. Until that power struggle is resolved, the question of a manager is unlikely to be sorted to anyone's satisfaction, least of all the fans'.
We wanted a billionaire, we got a billionaire but there is no happy ending while the old guard still run the club.
196 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:00:35
Woefully inept and players that keep letting everyone down keep getting chance after chance.
I've said it plenty of times before WILLY & SCHNIDES should never again play for this club. How do they keep coming back in the same team together?
They are not youngsters deserving of so many chances, they are both proven international players who only keep proving me right. I never want to see them play for us again.
The central positions are incredibly important and influential and need to be the core backbone of the team. We are left with empty egg shells on the pitch and the runny embryo covering the eyes of our board. To many bad eggs in the team and no one to leave them out.
We need a manager, we need leadership, we need to play a 5 man defence.
The board acted quickly in getting rid of Koeman but to have no one in place was foolish. This is the most competitive league in world football. The board have been as poor as some of the players. No fight, no passion, no plan, no change, week after week after week, same poo in still gets same poo out.
In not blaming Pickford but he must be thinking dÃ©jÃ vu. Leave the young lad out. I like Robles but maybe Stick is needed for his experience?
We are not yet dead. Long way to go yet but we're making it hard for ourselves by not bringing in a manager.
Hint... MANCINI is top class and ticks all the boxes.
197 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:00:42
Put up your hands if you now don't believe going down is more than a possibility
Put your hands up everyone who thinks a foreign manager with a ten year plan is the way to go.
Put your hands up everyone who thinks we are a good team just short of a striker.
Put your hands up everyone who thinks Unsworth is responsible for the cowardice shown by almost every player on that pitch.
I've read countless posters over the last few weeks coming out with absolute shite about getting God knows what fancy manager in to sort this shit out. Posters coming out with we are only two wins away from mid table.
Absolute psychos, absolute dross. When are people going to wake up to the indisputable fact that we are a Club NOT just a team but a Club in a downward spiral, a fucking national embarrassment, an absolute disgrace.
We had some guy posting that it was the supporters fault we were in this position. Unbelievable. Go and tell the real heroes who were at the game today that the shit we witnessed was their fault. A fucking disgrace.
198 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:01:07
Anyway, just to make me feel better, I'm goin to have myself a little old party on the day Kenwright pisses off from this club. Like John G has just written, I agree 100%. The horriblew thing, is that might be the only thing I might have to cheer about in this next few months
199 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:02:03
Apart from our excellent goal, the one moment that cheered me today was Kenny delivering a proper bollocking to someone, I couldn't see who it was - Lookman? As it happens, I'm still to be convinced by young Jonjoe, though I suspect he will do well in a better side. No doubt at all, however, about his spirit.
200 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:02:17
No manager of any repute will come to Everton now except an unemployed one just for the cash. The sight of Kenwright and Co in the stand sickens me. Give those seats to some real fans who cant afford the tickets. Who is actually making decisions at Goodison?
201 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:03:53
My brain is getting pounded, pretty soon I'll be dumbfounded, my brain is a sweet little clusterfuck, my brain.
It is not his fault that we started the season with only one registered left full back or that we then let our only other left footed defensive player go to West Brom, or that we let Valencia go when we knew Lukaku was leaving. Those mistakes were presumably Koeman's but now we need a strong leader to get us out of this mess.
I watched Duncan sat there watching the game and saying nothing. Is it because he has nothing constructive to say, or that he has too much respect for the manager, or that he thinks he is wasting his breath, or that he does not want any of the shit to land on him?
Moshiri has watched his millions flow down the toilet and he wants to call the tune but does he know enough to make big football decisions or does he trust Kenwright to make them? Maybe neither. It is out of the hands of the players.
202 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:04:28
203 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:04:28
I watched first half of Huddersfield v Man City. They just would not let City players settle on the ball, Everton just did not do that.
204 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:04:31
205 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:05:26
We are weak mentally and physically and completely unorganised. We are so bad right now I'm reminded of Aston Villa when Lescott and co. didn't seem to give a damn if they went down or not.
206 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:09:35
We're all blues through and through. Big difference being Unsworth is getting paid for the privilege of being a blue. Has he got to go into work tomorrow and take grief of ffucking idiots who don't know what shape the ball is? No, he hasn't Most of us have to though.
He's shown himself to be naive at best and has learned nothing from the awful Koeman tenure. Fans on here thinking we're too good a club for the likes of Allardyce and Dyche... Get real. We need a firefighter to get us out of this mess ASAP.
Unfortunately I don't think there's a manager in world football that could get a tune out of this sorry shower but, hey ho, what do I know?
People feeling for sorry for Unsworth... Why? Save your sorrow for the poor souls who shelled out hard earned cash to witness another spineless disgusting performance. Performances which are becoming the norm.
Not once have I heard any manager or coach apologise to our fans for the shite we've had to put up with. And I'll tell you why... Because they don't fucking care. They're quite happy to pick up their inflated salaries up and swan off to wherever.
And yes, I include Unsworth in that. None of them care. If they did, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.
207 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:10:18
I'm no fan of the Glasgow ugly sisters, but it wasn't Martin O'Neill who stopped Rangers winning 10 in a row, it was Wim Jansen.
For the record I wouldn't be entirely against O'Neill getting gig here right now.
208 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:11:09
Look what happened over the West Brom penalty issue with Mirallas. Pathetic.
209 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:12:11
How can we be so pathetically bad?
I wonder what they do on training? Anybody with insight?
What do they pracise on?
What was the gameplan today?
The people helping Unsworth must be completely useless.
I wonder because absolutely all players exept from Pickford and Jonjo Kenny was bad today. And I don't mean just bad but totally useless.
The players are as far from working as a team they could possibly be. They look like a bunch of guys running around with absolutely no plan or will to do anything at.
This problem must be bigger than Unsworth.
210 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:12:40
211 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:13:50
Steve Walsh laughing after the 4th goal went in shows all we need to know him about as well.
Get Dyche in tomorrow.
212 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:14:38
Why Sandro didn't start Is baffling along with Vlasic. The team reeks of decay and they are leaderless, clueless and passionless on the park.
God help EFC, dark forces have aggregated and this time we need a miracle to avoid relegation. Never in my time has the club Beeb so spineless and gutless. I said last week about the club giving away free x8 pint vouchers at Goodison, if they don't act soon there will be no fans and STHS will now be realising that hope, blind faith and living for what is becoming a life times dream to win a trophy is futile.
Every Sunday morning ale house team could beat this lot. They really don't give a damn about EFC and totally disrespect the supporters. New unwanted stat records being broken with each of the last few games.
For Unsy, he had a broken cup for an acquired broken team, and a broken club. The rot is permanent at a EFC and if the crooked board don't see what the whole of Europe knows and probably the world, we are deep in rapid decline and this squad will get relegated.
For me the game was lost before KO, with the selection and now is time for the veteran Keystone Cops, defenders to step down, and Morgan S is a fraud, and is sussed out by all. DCL won't ever be a top level player, his control and decisions making is not good enough. He tries hard and has scored World Cup Winner , that will be his epoch, as a player.
A new captain, vice captain and code of honour is needed to try and stay up..and of course a new manager by tomorrow teatime.
Moyes will take his team to Goodison Park and will expect to beat us. This club doesn't deserve the long suffering supporters now the board must act.
Sure enough another nap, crap result and ruined weekend .
213 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:15:44
Baines & Jags should have been eased out 2 years ago, Williams has always been a mediocre defender, and Keane has looked awful since the Spurs game; they are all so slow and hopeless in the air, and their distribution is very poor. Added to that Schneiderlin is slow apathetic, and has been awful all season.
No wonder we're so slow going forward and our front players get such poor service look how they're given so little room to move, yet opposing forwards have acres of space against us.
Those who thought sacking Koeman was the answer were way off the mark he has to take some responsibility, but what about Kenwright, Walsh & the hangers on like Ferguson? We are mentally weak right through the club U23s turned over by RS instead of rubbing their noses in the ground when we'd won that league! And recently, lead by Jeffers, turned over big style by them again!
Bill Kenwright must go and take Rooney & his other hangers on with him. Being an Evertonian isn't a pre-requisite for being a successful coach or manager; footy in the Premier League is big business and needs to be managed with the head, not the heart - looking sad & tearful in the directors box achieves nothing.
WE NEED STRONG LEADERSHIP ON & OFF THE PITCH
214 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:15:48
Is that Anchelotti and Tuchel I see fighting over the Everton job?
215 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:16:15
216 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:17:50
Not a chance with this toxic bunch of supine stangers. There's no character. No leaders.
We need a manager in that can galvanise the dressing room & get the side drilled or we are gone.
217 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:19:53
218 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:20:30
Never in the field of professional football have so many been let down by so few.
219 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:22:08
My guess would be though that Koeman had persuaded Lukaku to stay the previous year and that he was determined to leave so they let him go. Hardly unheard of in professional football.
220 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:25:03
I don't need inside information to know Lukaku plays for Man United now. Neither do you.
221 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:27:57
I think in training to make daisy chains and talk about their journeys.
“I am Duncan, I am a head butting addict, I left Everton twice but they keep letting me come back.â€
“I am Wayne, I am a serial adulter, I left Everton for my entire useful career.â€
“I am Franny. I take the piss. Said I was too good and left, came back then mouthed off and left a second time, now I am back again just cause it is easier than mugging people for a living.â€
222 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:28:12
Unsworth has been put in this horrible, horrible position because of (a) the lack of leadership, undermining his position as a Manager (my deepest respect to him, he has never whined, just got on with try to the best of a hopeless situation) (b) the terrible, terrible legacy left behind by Koeman and Walsh. Unsworth has made some really bizarre team selections leaving our Rooney and Sandro today? Playing Lookman and Vlasic? Really?? Was it his way of protesting to the board waving the white flag?
Kenwright and Moshiri need to get together TODAY and decide once and for all who makes the footballing decisions. They should jointly sack Steve Walsh. Wave the wallet at their 1st choice manager, if not line up 2nd, 3rd, 4th choices. Get a manager in by Tuesday.
My dear fellow TWers/Blue fans - I have never set foot inside Goodison Park, I have never invested a single Rupee of my money into Everton. Many of you have been doing it for years, over generations. You spend your hard earned money to support this team that for some strange forgotten reason, I support too. My deepest respect to you all you must be hurting much more than me. But, please, PLEASE don't give up hope.
If anyone can help turn this around, it is YOU the paying fans. We still have 24 games to play for 72 points to scrap for! The players' confidence is shot some members of this team are not fit to wear the Blue shirt again, but the vast majority of them will still play for professional pride at least clap them on, urge them on, give them a cheer, but let them know that you CARE. That is the ONLY way, this season can be turned around only you the fans can do it. God bless you all.
223 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:28:18
"We are weak mentally and physically and completely unorganised. We are so bad right now I'm reminded of Aston Villa when Lescott and co. didn't seem to give a damn if they went down or not."
I agree, but I don't think it's so much as not giving a damn, they look like zombies, ghosts, just... lost. What on earth is happening in training, God alone knows. I wondered once last season, was there something wrong with the food or water at Finch Farm, and it doesn't seem so wild a thought now.
It's like something is very wrong right at the heart of things, affecting everybody. They look destroyed. I've really never seen anything like it.
224 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:28:46
Them clubs probably knew them players are worth more than risking TV money the following season.
Now we are in that risk bracket.
225 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:28:58
Walsh is not solely responsible for finding unknown treasures such as £45m Gylfi Sigurdsson, £25m Michael Keane or £23.6m Davy Klaassen, but his role in those deals is undeniable. “We both have to agree for a player to come” he said of his relationship with Koeman 11 months ago. “If one of us says no we knock it on the head.â€
226 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:30:45
227 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:33:20
Sometimes for buttons. When is Moshiri going to get us one? But still the same old boring comments come out about draining the club and because Moshiri simply isn't Kenwright, he actually has fans.
228 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:38:16
This is a coaching and man management issue at Finch Farm. It has been for a while. Squads like Burnley, Watford, Brighton look more organised and focused because of better man management and coaching.
At the moment a players first move is to hesitate or look for safety. Because they don't know what each other are going to do. Confidence is shot.
A professionally able football manager, backed with funds and with good coaches can improve player performance and the standing of the team and club.
229 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:40:04
We need a manager who will kick some arse and for me Sam is that man. Mind you he wouldn't come now because he wouldn't want to ruin his reputation of saving teams because he knows we are beyond saving with that bunch of players who don't give a toss. Despite that I would still try and get him because time is running out.
When he first went to Palace last year they took weeks to get their first win as they were that bad. We are even worse than that.
The deluded fans on here have even whitewashed Moyes's EFC record. I've heard people saying we were a mid table team under Moyes when we had numerous seasons at 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th. Not mid table in my book! Get a grip because we are not 'top 6' anymore and in reality haven't been for years. Moyes genuinely did have us operating beyond our station with no money to spend!
We were competing with Spurs a few years ago for 5th but they have left us well behind now. Why? total mismanagement from top to bottom! Get Sam now even if he wants to bring little Sam with him!! I don't care anymore as long as we finish 17th on goal difference on the last day of the season. Can't see it though! LFC will get 10 against us!
230 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:40:20
The board for stripping the squad of any quality; loving the fact we can nurture quality for a big sale; convincing fans it's a great time to be an Evertonian while they sell the best player to the team that finished one place above us because Kenwright is in awe of them.
The fans for being convinced
Koeman and Walsh for not having a football brain between them and players for showing no responsibility to fans who love the club.
Put all them facts together (I never come one here and lie) and you have one shit football club with passionate confused fans.
231 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:40:45
232 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:46:30
I'm thinking it's because all of all the chopping and changing this nearly new squad have faced since the beginning of this season, and I'm also thinking if we don't get a new manager in now, then like Villa, we better start preparing for the championship.
95% of Players won't blame themselves, they don't need an excuse to blame somebody else, and although the lack of effort was disgusting, when confidence is low then everything becomes an effort, and most of this squad have not really had much direction since they reported back to pre-season, which in some cases means since they signed for Everton FC.
It's that scary, even flights to Syria, have gone through the roof, for a fortnight today, and that's just for a one way ticket, God help us.
233 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:47:17
234 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:48:24
Koeman came, saw and the fucked off or rather was fucked off when he realised what a pile of shite this club is at the moment and stopped trying. Who is behind the decision to stack the club with ex-Everton players? All this "we're special" stuff and "the ex-players know the club" etc is proving to be totally misplaced.
Moshiri get your finger out and get someone in who is prepared to say he's not working with Big Dunc, Ebrell, Jeffers (FFS!) and yes Unsy. If we're going to have a clear out it means every last one of these.
I'll also add that the decision to bring Rooney back falls into that bracket as well. Rooney quite understandably is struggling with his age, weight, booze, gambling and his domestic situation which must be dreadful.
It absolutely stinks of the sentimental Kenwright and his misty eyed view of our club rather than the harsh reality that we need to modernise the club from the bottom to top.
235 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:48:47
Then get rid of the old staff Unsworth, Ferguson, Royle, Ebbrell,. Once done get rid of Walsh, Kenwright, Woods, Elstone total clear out at all levels the above live in past times and on values which died with the start of the Premier League, 20 years ago.
Then tell Moshiri to shut up with his mate from his Sky Jim White , its all so embarrassing. We are a joke, we are an embarrassment, we will get relegated.
236 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:50:00
Time for some wisdom from Marshall Foch: “My centre is giving way, my right is retreating, situation excellent. I am attacking.â€.
237 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:50:26
I repeat, fat Sam is our best option right now!
238 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:50:34
239 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:50:59
240 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:52:24
Perhaps this is the way to go on Wednesday night.
Though some would say we've tried that approach all season.
241 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:54:02
Jay Woods (#150) really poor post. You are ridiculing Evertonians for getting behind their coach and supporting our club.
"Some of our fans deserve everything they get" â€“ Hang your fucking head in shame.
242 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:56:01
Another first coming up...
243 Posted 26/11/2017 at 17:58:15
244 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:01:29
And this is from the telegraph: "David Unsworth is refusing to accept claims Everton are in a relegation battle despite seeing the Toffees hammered at Southampton on Sunday."
His comments doesn't make sense!
245 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:02:13
Any manager coming in now will think twice players and Board are beyond belief.
246 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:03:41
This board needs to act now. Unsworth is a great Evertonian but he's not the answer. We are getting near to desperation now and a defeat on Wednesday night would be fuckin' disastrous.
247 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:03:54
That isn't a slight on Kirkby, it is a criticism borne out by (Thank the Gods) Keep Everton in Our City. And that is just one example. I also thinbk it is very likely that Mr Moshiri missed the match because he might just be involved in a little side issue...like getting us a manager
As for him selling Lukaku, Lukaku was promised 2 seasons on the run that hew could go. Moshiri was n't even here when the first promise was made.
So there is two things, one is a feller who dumped his partner, the feller who gave him the money tpo buy the shares to buy Everton and promise us investment by someone who magically appeared form Singapore or somewhere (and a lifelong Evertonian with his money in the post) who was going to come on board...never to be seen again.
AS far as we know, any of them or all of them could be culpable in making decisions that have led us to be without a manager for over a month.
If we come out of this nightmare still in this division, then it will be purely down to the manager we pick. Let's hope we pick one who will get us on our feet. It will also be Moshiri who funds any incoming. So if I was a betting man, my money would be on theory that Moshiri is just waking up to the pup he's been sold.
248 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:04:15
Moshiri has provided the funds - aided by player sales - to attempt to take the club forward but the funds on their own haven't been able to move it forward. in fact the owner's lack of football knowledge is frightening and due to his dithering in his search for a new manager, the players look to have downed tools completely and don't look as if they are bothered about playing for the club.
If Moshiri is serious about taking Everton FC forward he should look at his board and ask himself "Are they the best people available to take the club forward?"
Relegation is not only scary due to the club falling out of the richest league in the world, but also because it will in all likelyhood lead to the previous regime being the only people willing to take on the task of owning it - £200m spent to get relegated and the only people who might benefit are those who have run the club for nigh on two decades.
Jeffers, Ferguson, Ebbrell et al will sleep soundly in their beds safe in the knowledge that their gravy train will continue to provide a cushy well paid occupation for many more years to come.
Unless Moshiri suprises us all and has other ideas?
249 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:06:50
However he does want the job and put himself forward for it so fair dos. He knows what the score is. So lets no cry too much over that even if we do lose him it was a chance of a lifetime for him.
But lets be clear the vacuum has created the uncertainty. That's on the majority shareholder, Moshiri.
Whilst I recognise we are in the mire, I cannot reconcile myself to an Allardyce or that ilk. The players we have, such as they are cannot defend in any set up, I actually have more fairh in us scoring!
Just do not think that firefighter style of manager would be effective in this scenario.
I am clutching at the thinnest of straws but what else is there?
250 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:12:01
You need to be more streetwise in your evaluation of Kenwright.
251 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:14:34
Well, in my book, we are doomed anyway but at least let's go down fighting. No team plays their way out of a relegation dogfight!
252 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:18:28
What's all this "...get xxxx in today/tomorrow/for West Ham..."? stuff.
Getting a new manager is becoming harder from game to game as we look a worse and worse prospect. Managers are not sitting on supermarket shelves waiting to be "got in".
As far as I know Allerdyce has ruled himself out after the outcry from Evertonians (I was one of them) and protracted high level deliberating, Nuno is history, neither Silva or Dyche have actually said they are interested but neither has ruled himself out either, O'Neil has appeared on the radar and I'm not sure were that is emanating from, Pulis is available, Moshiri or someone is breathing about Simeone, we've had Tuchel getting championed and I'm not sure who I may have left out.
The fact is, that of all those names I can only see Pulis as being one who may remain interested after today. Personally I would prefer him to O'Neil. Pulis is a real 'get in their faces', annoying bastard and right now I would welcome someone like that on the touchline. As for all the other potentially viable or pie-in-the-sky possibilities why would they look to come here other than for the money.
We need a decent win or two just to make us look desirable again, never mind the points we also need, and we simply don't even look capable at the moment. Newcastle were lucky in finding Benitez available when they moved Pardew on, and he was prepared to take on a short term lost cause albeit with potential. He did a decent job of getting them back, and now finds them in disarray in their boardroom and with a shocking run of about 6 games. Maybe it's time for him to move on but I doubt we'd see him here. The RS have even been calling for him.
I can see a possible parallel narrative happening with Everton although their is no-one like Benitez floating around in the market place. A top drawer manager is only going to be lured by the smell of money which makes me a little fearful that we might just get another mercenary.
I do not really understand the boardroom set up and how it directly influences things on the pitch, and I am unclear how a board level clear out is going to have an immediate benefit to our league position. I get the narrative going on but the emphasis has to be on retaining our premiership status before we start flying planes and have the mob calling for the entire board to resign. And if they did what would happen then - total self destruction?
We are in a right royal mess that is for certain. Many, citing the support of up to 40/50 odd years or more say this is the worst Everton outfit they have seen and that is exacerbated, I guess, by the considerably improved standard that is the premiership - all football for that matter - these days.
If Unsworth thought it could help Everton by resigning, I think he would, but that is not a viable alternative. He of all people would do what he thought was best for his club. However, he has to remain there and do his limited best while the board get their act together. Moshiri, via J White, has led us to believe that an announcement is imminent and may have embarrassed himself again if his new recruit is about to get cold feet or is persuaded. otherwise. When, realistically will we hear an 'announcement'. Don't hold your collective breaths.
I sat through that game today and now feel utterly drained. I just can't comprehend how we have suffered such an instant, dramatic and total collapse. It's heartbreaking. Whoever gets tasked with attempting a resurrection of this titanic disaster, please make it soon. I care that we get a good man and we need that man damn quick.
253 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:21:26
Our defense and attack is shit but our midfield is the worst of the lot. Both Gueye and Schneiderlin are terrible midfielders. Gueye can only tackle and Schneiderlin doesn't do anything. The two of them are one of the reasons for our awful football. They don't demand it which leads to hopeless shite punts up the field to Calvert Lewin which inevitably always come back. They don't even protect the back four or three.
I would take O'Neill now because he knows how to organize a side defensively, Allardyce and Dyche too, even Simeone if he was available.
The board need to get their shit together ASAP and appoint someone and provide the funds in January to strengthen ASAP.
Our squad is so fucking shit with too many OAPS and kids. We don't close down, tackle, mark, pass, keep the ball, and dribble which shows how we are so turgid to watch and are Shite.
254 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:27:53
I asked him how Rooney was coping with his situation I have to say that I am amongst those who were pleased that he returned to Everton.
The response I got was surprising in that it transpires that, according to my contact, “There were only two people who wanted him to come back: Bill Kenwright and Duncan Ferguson.â€
It seems that Koeman was totally against it and was disappointed that Moshiri didn't back him. Just seems to fit with your view on the culture within the Club.
255 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:29:14
As pitiful as this situation is we can't give up on the team. All those there on Wednesday have to represent the Club & save us. Wish I was there.
256 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:30:38
You can bet your bottom dollar that on Wednesday evening, come what may, his West Ham team will at least show fight and determination, something that GP has not seen for a considerable while.
I know that I am risking a storm of criticism or more likely a barrage of abuse but, if we cannot get Sean Dyche in, I would definitely have Moyes back . He has only been given a contract of sorts until the end of the season at West Ham and I'm sure that he would jump at the chance to return.
257 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:31:59
Now whether that is down to his coaching abilities or the players he has at his disposal is up for debate.
I hope behind the scenes Mr. Moshiri has got a pleasant surprise for us. We need a Manager NOW.
258 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:33:54
I can't even be bothered to mention Schneiderlin, sorting out the engine room would be first priority for a new manager.
259 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:39:21
As far as I know we have Gana Gueye in midfield... he is definitely relegation material.. and then Schneiderlin.. who is worse than Gana Gueye.
Can we please give these two players up now!!????
And yes, I do not think it is a very good solution to fill positions at finch farm up with old Everton players. That makes the club mediocre. We have the same problem where I live in Norway. The club gets filled up with local people and that is never good.
260 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:41:26
All I expect at the moment is the team plumbing the depths of desperate performances hitherto unreachable by a half-decent pub side... and yes, I have played in more than enough of them myself.
261 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:43:56
262 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:43:57
263 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:45:08
264 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:46:07
For years now we have said that the team has no leaders on the pitch that is what we need in January, a Peter Reid or a Roy Keane. If we get that, a few other reinforcements, a good manager and Bolasie, Coleman, Funes Mori and Barkley back from injury, I think we may survive. Sorting out the defence is the key, so a manager who knows about the Premier League rather than a foreigner is the man to go for.
The club needs a big clear-out, starting with Steve Walsh, most of the coaching staff and a lot of the has-been players next summer.
Two other points ; let us not get too depressed about what is after all just a game there are many other things in life and always we remember that however rubbish the directors, coaches and players may be, they are all here today, gone tomorrow, but we are the club, and we will still be Everton when they have all been forgotten.
265 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:47:37
Unsworth should take his share of the flak as that set up was all wrong. We desperately need Dyche and injured players to return. Maybe Dyche can get a tune out of Keane and a few others.
266 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:51:12
Calvert-Lewin isn't awful. He's just had no service. Sigurdsson is best played like Cahill, in a free roaming role. He's also better with a big target man (like Lukaku). He keeps getting put on the left wing. Out of position.
I wasn't convinced with Pickford's arrival. I thought he would be young rotation for an even better (taller, stronger) keeper. He's another example of over exaggerated English ability. He let in way too many goals for Sunderland. I remember EFC fans saying he'd be great because he made so many saves. Well by that logic he's been "great" all season (he hasn't). He's too short and his positioning and controlling of the defence is woeful. He's good down low, but opposition strikers, as I've said all year, will realize they can just smash the ball just over his head and it will go in every time. He can't even glove the ball. I've counted 5 goals that have been scored (at least) by the opposition after he spilled it.
Unacceptable. We need 3 new centre-backs, 2 left backs (1 pro, 1 youngster starlet), same with the right back position. Coleman won't be the same as he was before. Those injuries always take a toll. Assuming he's fit, I'd bring in Tyias Browning for his excellent hold up player, ours at the moment is non-existent. Use him also as a target man to offload it to Sigurdsson or Sandro.
267 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:54:12
Joey Barton was right he is out of his depth tactically. The players are to blame as none of them have a backbone so get a new manager in so he can move them on (it might take 3 years with the contracts they are on).
If Huddersfield and Brighton can be set up to defend then so can Everton!
268 Posted 26/11/2017 at 18:59:37
I really hoped Unsworth could have done a lot better but he looked a broken man at the end. Moshiri and Kenwright should hang their heads in shame loading all this onto Unsworth.
Moshiri is a successful business man so surely he knows better than anyone, if you sack the manager you have to have a replacement lined up. The reason you sacked the manager is because the team are underperforming so replacing him quickly was paramount before allowing the situation to get much worse.
I only hope you were telling the truth when you told our head of communication Jim White that you are very close to appointing a new manager. Just a pity you didn't bother to tell the guy who is trying to do the job at present, rather than find out through Sky.
I just hope your choice of the next manager has some vision, because if its just a firefighter what do you think will happen next season if were playing hoof ball yep the fans wont put up with it. Then it will be another pay off and start all over again.
Finally I applaud everyone of our fans that went to the game today, unlike our players and board members you are a credit to our club.
269 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:05:00
I've hated his system when used against us over the years. I derided him as anti football. But, and this is what matters to me, he does have a system. A system that galvanizes players and fans. It's a proven system that rejuvenated West Ham, revived Palace and Sunderland, and always kept Bolton and Blackburn competitive.
It's a proven plan. That's what I need to hear to give us some hope. The system isn't guaranteed but it does have pedigree.
This is the analogy I wrote of last week: The ship has sunk. I'm jettisoned into a stormy sea. A lifeboat comes along piloted by, any bad bastard you care to think of. I climb on board. I'm safe! Now I can jettison my pilot at the nearest island I pass.
That will be our relationship with Sam. This is the compromise I'm prepared to accept. My sons and I spend time and money following this team. I may hate Sam's style but I definitely have a greater hate for watching my team abused so easily so often.
This is triage. Take your pick. Public opinion matters.
270 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:05:45
But all seriousness, we just don't have the players. Who would you have picked at CB today? Who would you have replaced Baines with when he was crocked? Who would you have picked at CF?
Considering the resources available, where the club finds itself would be farcical if it wasn't so very serious. The most recent transfer window was the most ruinous in the club's history. We spent madly on positions we didn't need reinforcements for. And the one position we did buy a player of need, centre back, we bought Michael Keane. I shall not comment on the merits or lack thereof, his record speaks for itself.
I actually think there's little to nothing to manage Moyes players, Martinez players, Koeman players and our home grown lads in little groups. The squad unity we used to have like the Stracq recently spoke of has long gone. There are no options at key positions. We might as well have bought eleven goalkeepers in the window and played them.
End of days stuff.
271 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:08:01
So we can just twiddle our thumbs and continue as we are until this fantastic man manager/coach comes in with his top class team, buy a shed load of players in January and then go on a winning streak until the end of the season.
Sorry, Dave,we all want the best for our Club but until people, supporters and management realise and accept that as we speak we are in deep shit we will for sure be deep in a relegation battle.
If you couldn't pay your bills would you wait until the bailiffs come before accepting there was a problem?
272 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:10:40
He inherited a group of players who's confidence was at an all time low, not his doing at all, but considering he has proclaimed publicly; that he really wants the job.
He has proceeded by picking the worst culprits for poor play; played players out of position; and generally followed what Koeman had done previously.
We really need a new broom altogether; with a no-nonsense and professional approach, across the whole gamut.
The sooner the better, before the situation is irretrievable.
273 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:16:28
Schneiderlin should back pay all his earnings and piss off to Sunday league. I really fear relegation and love this club and am dreading the derby because that will be total humiliation.
274 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:21:26
I'm surprised we're as long as that and there are 8 teams with shorter odds.
275 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:22:51
Hoodwinked good style. We believed what we wanted to believe. What a let down. How any of the senior players can look Unsworth or the fans in the face is beyond me.
276 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:26:44
I couldn't give a stuff about 'getting the club'. I want the club to have a strategy from top to bottom. I want the club to exude competence from top to bottom. I want the club to be desperate to learn how to win and grow from top to bottom. I want people employed by the club based on competence rather than being 'one of us'.
Moshiri said he didn't want Everton to be a museum. I believe he's genuine in this regard. He's got to start demonstrating this, because I think there are too many people at the club who feel their easy life is more important than our progress.
If he's serious about what he's doing here, he needs to appoint a strong, competent coach now. He needs to appoint people in the club who want success and all the hassle and hard work that comes with it. He also needs to take full control and shunt Kenwright to the side so he can get on with changing the club for the better.
277 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:33:10
I supported the temporary appointment of David Unsworth, and wanted him to be given a decent chance to show what he could do. I wrote off Europe and the League Cup, cheered the Watford comeback, stayed at Goodison until the end on Thursday (someone accused me of being a bad supporter for attending that game, a bit harsh I thought), and even today I was thinking at half-time “this is it, we're back in itâ€.
But no. That 2nd half was as dire as I have seen in 55 years, as bad as watching us lose 3-0 at Molineux, Christmas, 1983, when all hope seemed gone. Feeble, pathetic. I watched Marine beat FC United of Manchester in the FA Trophy yesterday and witnessed more character, fight, attitude and aggression in 90 minutes than I have seen all year from our players.
On Thursday, only Baningime stood out. Today, only Kenny showed character. David Unsworth nurtured them both, I hope we have not wrecked a very decent man and coach.
278 Posted 26/11/2017 at 19:33:25
279 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:02:07
280 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:02:35
Give me some of that highland spring water, you've got the clarity to cut though all the emotional baggage we carry as Evertonians and see the beast for what it is!
We are dying, poisoned from deep within and there isn't a single person within all the senior roles of the club who doesn't have blood on their hands.
Bring someone in who isn't tarnished with the crosses we bear and let them see the crap for what it is, cut out the cancer, and start again.
It will be financially costly and will take more time than we would like or have but we need major surgery and the problem is obviously not perceived to be as serious when viewed by those from within.
286 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:06:11
Can I ask what has happened to Barkley? His injury is never mentioned, no updates or bulletins on his health.
I despair of the present bunch. Gueye has no ability other than an engine, his football skills are very limited. Schneiderlin doesn't look interested and seems to avoid the ball, Lennon cannot help the defence, nor can Mirallas. Lookman is promising but lightweight. The defenders are three once reasonable players, who are now in their mid-thirties and it shows. Keane has lost all confidence, playing for a hard-working and well-organised Burnley team with Mee alongside him, is very different from playing for this shambles.
If Sigurdsson is worth 㿙 million, then Barkley is worth double that. We haven't any forwards and all those who kept telling me and quite a few others that Rooney would spark a renaissance must be burying their heads in the sand.
Klaassen, who ever thought he had what it takes to cut it in the Premier League? Is Steve Walsh even partly responsible for the recruitment shambles that was last summer's transfer window?
I'm beginning to think that Unsworth is even more incompetent than Koeman. Dyche, Wagner, Hughton please come before it's too late.
287 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:13:35
Every player in our squad has been tried, the bottom line is they are not good enough with the odd exception. What is a new manager going to magically do, wave his wand and they become good overnight!
Today there was nothing wrong with the formation, the truth is these donkeys cant carry out the orders. We were crap under Koeman and we are crap also with Unsworth. For me they will still be rubbish when any new manager arrives and tries his best to improve the situation.
Sure roll the dice change the manager, that's our only option at this time, given a choice though I would prefer to ship 90% of the squad out instead!
We have become a comedy of errors from top to bottom, a club of incompetents, its become embarrassing. I have been saying up to now that I cant see us being relegated, but unfortunately its looking more likely as each game is played.
288 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:16:11
289 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:24:43
No one can hold up the ball at all . We cannot play in the opponents half for more than a few seconds.
This lead to the midfield constantly fire fighting and the defence under constant duress.
I know there's is massive improvements needed elsewhere but with no attack at all we invite pressure.
Until we have an attacking threat wÃ®th options of pace and height we will not win many matches.
If you don't believe me watch what happens in January if we sign 2 proper strikers.
290 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:28:47
291 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:31:46
Your post just paralysed me. Fuck.
292 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:32:09
293 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:34:47
294 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:35:29
Today was beyond belief. We are truly abject, from the board to the coaching team (how the fuck has Duncan "the legend" Ferguson been allowed to to scrounge a living off our club, now as a coach on top of his scrounging as a player. He has been the scott-free common denominator in the last few years of shite).
To the players.
Williams is the worst defender I have ever seen and I include my local ladies team. Phil "the gent" Jagielka is the sort of guy you want your daughter to marry (preferably at 3:00 on a Saturday afternoon)
Baines is done, Keane has been destroyed by Williams and Jagielka. Gana has the relegation experience to see us safely down.Schneiderlin has done Man Utd proud since he came here. They are surrounded by young players, some of whom might be adequate. What is there about this spineless overpaid sack of shite that screams we are too good to go down? Not a fucking thing.
295 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:37:42
The madness of having to go into a Premier League season and not replacing the leagues 2nd top scorer.
The madness of no manager after 5 weeks and talking about Simeone being the No 1 target, then Silva who had only just signed for Watford 9 games ago.
It's all disjointed and cloud cuckoo land thinking.
It's time they woke up and put the club back on an even keel.
Someone get a grip... please.
296 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:45:11
Defensively the stupidity in allowing so many defenders to go out on loan makes Unsy's life very difficult. Add the non-registration of Garbutt to the loaned out Browning, Pennington, Connolly, Galloway, Robinson and it leaves virtually no one to fall back on.
I was hoping Unsy would get a chance but enough is enough. We need a hard, British manager to come in, sort out the defence first and make players try.
The prospect of this shower playing at Anfield in a fortnight is terrifying and action must be taken NOW!!
Another foreign manager would not know what hit him.
297 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:06:31
Firstly as a matter of urgency the managerial situation needs resolving. It is patently clear Unsworth is not the man for the job The team is rudderless, shorn of confidence and playing without spirit or any obvious plan. They either have to get the long term target signed up or a short term replacement recruited and the deal done within seven days.
Secondly there needs to be some limited investment in the January window. I don't think whole scale change mid season would be necessarily beneficial. Two forwards, a centre half a central midfield player would be my priority. Something along the lines of Callum Wilson, Josh King, Jonjoe Shelvey, Chris Smalling.
Add Barkley, Coleman and Bolasie into the squad and with the right management that is more than enough to survive.
But for fucks sake Moshiri act now.
Then it becomes a rebuilding job over the summer and a transition of the squad.
298 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:10:18
299 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:12:29
300 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:12:44
Millions of pounds on offer can make the best of us greedy.
301 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:13:18
Moshiri and Kenwright are a disgrace, what other club would throw an inexperienced U23 manager in at the deep end, and still no sign of a manager. Who's going to want it now. Maybe O'Neill and Keane, wouldn't be so bad after all, they'd certainly ruffle a few feathers, and sort out the deadwood.
302 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:22:58
303 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:24:03
Each time we got the ball, 2 or 3 players crowded us, hassled us. They got It and walked 20 yards into space. No pressure. That comes from leaders pushing their team mates. Leaderless, rudderless and depressing!
304 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:28:35
Get a bloody big broom and brush out at the very top and get the right people alongside Moshi, for twenty years or more now we have had guys who cannot run a club at Everton, a gutless bunch who will always be bullied into selling our top players.
It's time to rid this club of the powers that be, sitting there like lost sheep who haven't got a clue.
Next take the broom handle and give those gutless could not give a toss players a damn good beating with it.
Coming up to four weeks without a manager, even longer for a centre forward, we are a laughing stock with no one prepared to take the problems by the throat and sort it.
We have been linked with various managers, even willing to pay £10 Million comp to land Silva, for what it's worth, if we was prepared to pay £10 Million plus wages for Silva, use that money and offer Villas Boas a very tempting contract.
He is deciding his next step from China, let's get in there and go all out for him.
He will struggle with this squad but at least he will be able to bring players in, in January.
Make no mistake we are in deep shit, anyone who thinks there are three weaker teams than Everton, I salute you for your optimism.
It's time our great club was taken by the scruff of the neck and given a good shaking, act now before we have to rely on others slipping up.
305 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:29:25
6 weeks and no managerial appointment, and despite a caretaker who is unfortunately a rabbit in the headlights, no rumours of an upcoming appointment, stinks to high heaven of a boardroom rumpus. History tells us that teams with ownership problems struggle and are eventually relegated- Villa, Blackburn, Sunderland etc. The conflicts or issues may not be the same as ours but the destabilising of the clubs has ultimately the same effect and result.
We are a classic example of boardroom problems now infesting the whole organisation and I fear this is our time to make the drop.
For all those dreamers and fantasists looking for a world class Champions league winning manager, wake up and smell the coffee. What have we done in the past 28 years to warrant the interest of such a leader? Like it or not we are more of an Allardyce type of club than Ancellotti, despite Moshiri's alleged fortune. (we spent lots but also recouped it from sales of players)
Very worried and just when you don't think it can get worse (happened 5 or 6 times this season) it probably will on Wednesday when Moyes gets a win and then we break our 5-0 record against the red shite. (Salah and Mane to both get hatricks anyone??)
Thew whole club is shit and I am fed up and angry at all that is Everton, its horrid.
306 Posted 26/11/2017 at 22:17:44
The problem isn't people failing to realise we are going to be in 'deep shit' if this continues. Everyone, who is not already, is going to be on side with that one if we fail to win the next game.
But even when we all wise up, the problem still remains that we are the worst coached team in the league and this is what has to be solved for any improvement on the pitch.
If you are saying the whole situation is a shambles and a let down (to say the least) to fans who once again have see their hopes shattered l'm with you. And we need to make that known in what ever way we can to those who at the club who can change things.
Perhaps a start is the opinion on this forum.
307 Posted 26/11/2017 at 22:46:09
Do I need to say more? The obvious example is that duo Schneiderlin/Gana.
I also wish people would stop going on about how they're sorry for David Unsworth, and how they would have loved it if things had turned out well for him, and - worse - how he should be kept on until Christmas!! (a dwindling minority, but still out there).
Can't everyone realise this is not about 'Unsy', for all the respect he deserves? This is about something far greater and more important than 'Unsy', Kenwright, Moshiri, and even us, the fans: Everton Football Club, for crying out loud!
309 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:04:03
310 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:05:55
I would have liked Unsworth to succeed as we all would but it has just been more of the same crap. The role is beyond him sadly.
Each match is how many the opposition can score. We were lucky again Palace and Watford. Teams that on paper we should be better than in terms of resources are streets ahead of us. Brighton, Burnley, Soton all look very organized and only lose by the odd goal or a poor decision based on this weekend. The top 6 are light years ahead. We are a rabble. We have had a favorable run of games and we have only beaten Watford. Just!
We have players who should not be on the team coach never mind the match day squad. We used to have a first XI?? We moaned because that was all we had. Oh for those days! We have inexperienced kids or utter crap past-its. No style of play. No leaders. Basic, basic errors. Terrible.
The sooner we are out of Europa the better. That has just proved to further weaken confidence. Had we not got hammered Thursday would we have been hammered today?
I remember the dark days of 1983 and 1993-94. Those teams had character and could score goals. We don't have/can't do either.
Allardyce in Monday. Crash course in defending before West Ham. Otherwise it will be a Moyes and Carroll goalfest. The scrap for points starts now not January. A few 0-0s and go from there. Not what any of us were hoping for in August but here we are.
311 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:12:36
312 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:16:24
313 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:20:45
Going back to today Schneiderlin and Mirallas shouldn't be anywhere near the squad on Wednesday. Why the hell didn't Mirallas not take a shot a few minutes before they're 1st goal! Could have changed the whole match..Sandro would have buried that.
314 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:24:53
315 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:26:53
316 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:33:04
Never mind days off, recuperation days. Get them in. Stick the DVD on (or whatever footage of the game they have) and shame the bastards.
It's not possible to drop all off them but I would drop the following players if it was feasible that we had cover/replacements Baines, Keane, Jagielka, Williams, Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Calvert-Lewin, Sigurdsson, Gueye and give Pickford a rest for his own sanity. (He must wish he'd stayed at Sunderland)
If I missed anyone, sorry.
317 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:37:59
That in a nutshell is exactly what is wrong with this club, insular jobs for the boys bullshit - unbelievable. No wonder Koeman was shite he met a culture that's been ingrained for years!
I bet the likes of Jags and Baines are offended by the way Osman and Hibs were treated. Amateur average Shite.
O and by the way Joey Barton was fuckin spot on.
318 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:38:11
319 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:44:59
Big Dunc has been on the coaching staff now with three managers yet there isn't an ounce of motivation or heart on sleeve performances on the pitch, whilst Unsworth is clearly out of his depth managing in the Premier League. All need showing the door and need to take Steve Walsh with them.
320 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:48:46
321 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:49:54
322 Posted 26/11/2017 at 23:54:48
I'm sure I can say we all look forward to seeing you at Goodison (or the docks) some day!
323 Posted 26/11/2017 at 00:03:36
Moshiri needs to orchestrate a massive clear-rout if he is anything more than another pawn for Kenwright. If he is not, he needs to remove Kenwright as Chairman and purge the Boardroom of all those old hands. Get a manager in place and clear out all the coaching staff.
It's been 30 years of failure that is for some reason worshipped. I've asked numerous times what exactly Unsworth did to become so revered and still haven't received an answer. Same goes for Duncan Ferguson. He was a liability as a player. It wasn't as if he was banging in 20 goals a season. He was getting sent off, in trouble with the law and only managed 68 goals in his entire premier league career.
The club just lives in the past. We sing about our history yet do absolutely nothing to create new memories. And now we're seriously crying out for Sam F'ing Allardyce.
324 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:18:14
Me and a friend said the same thing today about jobs for the boys. I think it is laudable to keep things like history going, but at the expense of success!!?? Also, what actually was that history? When you look at the number of Everton players involved in the coaching side of the club etc. how many of them have actually won anything or had long international careers or have been successful coaches/ managers elsewhere?
I don't need to answer that.
325 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:41:49
I think you partially correct. The nepotism and â€˜jobs for the boys' thing is something that all clubs have to some degree or another. It's tempting in our current plight to lambast every single thing about our great club.
Anything other than the people at the very top, were the clouds are, because we cannot see whose in charge deserve the backlash. Not those below however inept you believe them because I'd wager they're just like you and me, they want the best for Everton.
Your ire, infact anyones can be concentrated at the very top. Hiding behind vague non descript titles, hanging out a caretaker to face the media weekly when they cower behind our hallowed club.
The chairman in name only and an absentee shareholder who cannot bare to use his own club as a media mouthpiece to control the narrative.
I'm not angry anymore just sad.
326 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:52:41
These are the guys selected by Kenwright to coach at Finch Farm. In addition he (or did Walsh see something?) choose to give Jose Baxter a one year contract in January this year subject to him not once again popping the pills that got him a twelve-month ban from football. And it's reported Baxter's a Red by heart, but never mind, ex-Blues who "get" Everton will always be welcome to Uncle Bill, so what else matters?
But did you know the young players at the club recently helped put together a terraced house or something for homeless people, and our manager kipped out one night for the same purpose, and one of our board knows all about homelessness, and therefore we're a really, really great club, really great, and the greater we get the better we'll be able to help all these deserving causes ....... unless we get relegated of course cos that'll fuck up our greatest achievements under Kenwright won't it?
327 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:11:16
Unsworth, Ebbrell and Jeffers are all part of a successful youth set up. Not only did we win PL2 with these guys but we have continued to produce more players from the academy than any other PL side. So, if they have given us success, what's your problem with them?
328 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:19:30
Ebbrell is right now on our first-team's coaching team. That's why he's sat closer to Unsworth than Ferguson is. None of them has done anything as coaches except for the youth set-up. In restaurant terms they're all great spud peelers delivering quality raw material to what should be an accomplished chef. Not one of them has shown the slightest ability to warrant wearing the chef's hat.
But Kenwright aspires to nowt more than spuds doesn't he? Providing they're blue ones.
329 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:23:23
Ebbrell is Unsworth's assistant. They're in temporary charge of the first team and will drop back to the U23s when this is all said and done. So, what's the issue?
Jeffers is only at U23 level, Unsworth took him on as is his right as head of coaching. Why not give Jeffers a go, if you think he is good enough. Why should you have to hire non-Evertonians? Jeffers worked for free for 12 months to prove himself. Unsworth found him proven. And Unsworth and the youth setup are getting results on the pitch and in terms of development.
As for the first team, did you expect Unsworth to be caretaker with no staff? Where would he get his staff from? And who would take a job for 2-4 weeks, as was likely when he first took charge?
Also, be careful of violating this bullshit 5-post rule, now in place on ToffeeWeb. Personally, I'm looking for a new forum where we can continue to have decent debates like this one, so my time on TW is at an end, after 20 years.
330 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:25:59
Despite being opposite ends of the spectrum, you both have valid points. Like everything, it isn't just a case of black or white/polar opposites.
I am not doubting Unsworth's credibility as an Under-23 coach. Maybe you can educate me as to the credentials of Ebbrell, Ferguson and Jeffers as coaches. Sheedy did a good job, but he is gone.
My point is, if Ferguson, Ebbrell and Jeffers weren't ex-Evertonians, would they be worthy of getting coaching jobs with the club?
As a young player you'd need someone to look up to and follow as an example, do Ferguson and Jeffers provide that?
I am aware of Ebbrell the player, but not the coach.
331 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:31:55
332 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:40:52
Fair play, not trying to prove you wrong, or me right. But the questions asked are just a few of a number of bigguns that need to be considered.
I am not a veteran like some on here, I am mid to late 40s first match in 1980, my dad 1st match in 1947 and both of us have found it hard to fathom out how it has gotten this bad so quickly. I cannot remember an Everton team with less fight. We need a radical overhaul, stating the obvious I know, we need winners introduced to the club, not underachievers from the 90s, with the exception of Unsworth, the others mentioned are!
How that impinges on the training sessions I am not sure. I could claim it is a mentality thing, however Koeman was hardly an underachiever, so what the hell do I know!?
333 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:43:58
334 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:45:17
I do know he had a record number of U23 caps and development blighted by injuries. I also read that more was expected from him and that injury was to blame.
Often the most limited players make the best coaches. “Winnersâ€ often make bad coaches. A young Glen Hoddle, for example, found it difficult to coach as he could not explain things to limited players when it was natural and easy to him.
335 Posted 27/11/2017 at 01:57:09
Ebbrell was a highly rated youngster as I recall, but didn't quite fulfill his potential and later got a bad injury. I didn't see him much live as I was at university for a lot of his Everton career, out of Liverpool and skint too! And yes you are right, good players don't necessary make good coaches. However, I think with Everton it is a possibility that ex-players get jobs because they are ex players first and foremost. Maybe, and I emphasis the maybe, we need to look outside of the clubs less than illustrious recent past and come up with more suitable candidates for the coaching jobs.
I have been away from England for the most part of 16/17 years too, so don't get to see a lot of matches live in person, but have hardly missed one in the last decade on Tv or streamed and I am worried by the whole Everton set-up at present.
Whether we agree or disagree, we want the same outcome"!
336 Posted 27/11/2017 at 02:07:28
Anyways, signing off for the night!
337 Posted 27/11/2017 at 02:07:33
I don't know where to start with this, so much is wrong, So I will start with the defence of David Unsworth.
I'm staggered by the criticism being levelled at Rhino, although I'm not in the least bit surprised by where much of it is coming from. He has inherited one hell of a mess. Players who came for wages no other club would pay them, players who look as if they would rather be anywhere else (except on pay day). Worst of all, players who seem to have no appetite or love for the game.
Many of the people who are pointing the finger at Rhino are the very same people who cheered and clapped when we were signing some very ordinary players at over-inflated prices. They were blinded by the transfer fees, some even told us they didn't care how much we were spending as it wasn't their money... but the kitty was being blown and we are now living with the consequences.
Listen: Jordan Pickford is a fine young keeper, but he didn't just start trying to show everyone how far he can kick it. Schneiderlin didn't just acquire a bad attitude, he was fucked off home not long after Koeman left because of it... so was Mirallas. Keane didn't just get slow and cumbersome, he was poor long before Koeman was fired. Jagielka and Williams have been taking dogs abuse for the way their performances were deteriorating for over a year.
Footballers need to be enjoying their game in order to produce their best, but a combination of bad man-management and an insistence on playing slow-paced zombie football has sucked the life out of most of ours; only the kids retain their desire and hunger.
Many of Koeman's supporters bemoaned his luck when he lost Coleman (How we could do with Seamus's attitude now) but Rhino lost his other full back too yesterday. He had already been deprived of the energy of Niasse, our most likely source of goals.
Those criticising the selection need to weigh up the options, seriously take another look. Those screaming because Sandro and Rooney were not brought on couldn't have seen their recent performances. They have both been worse than poor. Make no mistake: Unsworth has been dealt one twat of a hand.
Unless our board are uncharacteristically decisive in the next few days, Unsworth will be in charge of our next two games. Both games are at home and I expect him to ditch the likes of Schneiderlin and Mirallas in favour of the energy that young Tom and Beni will bring. I think they are more likely to get the crowd on board and I expect us to be on 18 points come Saturday night.
You can't bluff on a football field; a combination of Paisley, Fergie, Jose and Pep would have struggled to do anything with the hand Rhino has been dealt. No club should ever put their future in the hands of youngsters but, given what I saw yesterday, I don't believe we have any choice but turn to them, get to January and try to bring in reinforcements.
As for those who simply don't understand and claim support for Unsworth is born out of sentiment think again. Most of you have spent the past three weeks putting forward your favoured choice... How is that approach going for you?
339 Posted 27/11/2017 at 02:11:20
Ebbrell, Ferguson, Jeffers all over rated failures as players breeze in and get coaching jobs. Wayne, past it, paid a kings ransom to return in name only now his career is done. Unsworth of them all earned his stripes at Sheffield Utd so he is the one who actually deserves to be here albeit with the U23 as opposed to the first team.
340 Posted 27/11/2017 at 02:22:46
Somebody (and I can't remember who, sadly) said on a recent thread that the notion that Shankley "got" Liverpool before he took over, and Ferguson "got" United before he took over was laughable, and he was absolutely right.
Anyone seeing the way forward in the manner that Kenwright does on account of his perennially wonky "loyalty" to also-rans is deluded. Peter Reid and Neville Southall, Toffees to their core, speak the truth and are effectively ostracized by Kenwright as a consequence. Only "yes-men" are welcome.
It's now been going on for decades and it now really has to stop.
342 Posted 27/11/2017 at 05:47:11
Your lifeboat post was not airbrushed out. I think you probably mistook which thread it was posted on.
[Hint: it's #244]
343 Posted 27/11/2017 at 06:40:54
I hope you make it to Goodison one day soon, sir.
344 Posted 27/11/2017 at 07:43:30
How can anyone, in their right mind, still believe that the defensive mid field pairing picked yesterday, actually works?
345 Posted 27/11/2017 at 08:46:13
Don't know if people's TVs or streams picked this up. Ashley Williams was told to warm up with Beni Baningime when Keane was injured. As Beni ran toward us on the line, he received warm applause, Williams received about 100 people that booed him when he did a shuttle run. He u-turned and carried on his warm up by the bench. Other players heard it for sure.
Another variable that has to be dealt with by the new man in charge. Psychology, pick them back up again. So now we need someone that's a mixture of, Alex Ferguson, Sigmund Freud, Agony Aunt Claire Rainer and Harry Potter to get the job done.
Recruitment has its work cut out.
346 Posted 27/11/2017 at 09:25:08
Any criticism I have of sentimentality is directed at Kenwright and the culture he's created and sustaining.
347 Posted 27/11/2017 at 09:44:27
Paul Tran@276: Great clarity from the Highlands. You reflect my own thoughts, from the coast just down the road from Aberdeen. We just need to be clinical and businesslike, with sentiment having no part in decision-making. I think that is Moshiri's angle. He's not here to waste money. The great Everton sides were built on that principle. Our greatest managers and players were also hard as nails in their professionalism. That is what we need now.
348 Posted 27/11/2017 at 10:09:21
349 Posted 27/11/2017 at 10:23:20
I do feel sorry for you having proudly announced that, in the wake of the death of Zombie football, you were undoing your self imposed away ban. Only to travel 500 miles to witness one of the limpest, incoherent Everton displays in living memory.
Of course Unsworth inherited a mess. But guess what, that's what most interim managers get. What you look for is some signs of improvement even if only in terms of organisation and desire. We've had a month and seven games of confused dross with a one fortuitous win, a draw between the two worst sides in the country and five twattings.
Of course the players should be accepting responsibility; however, I notice that you rarely mentioned that with the previous feller. Having publicly touted Unsworth for months you are now painted into a corner and refusing to acknowledge the obvious. He's not the answer.
The club needs to act decisively and make an appointment this week. Either an interim experienced manager to steady the ship or bust the bank to get their target.
350 Posted 27/11/2017 at 11:55:32
I'm guessing you were a staunch advocate of Koeman Hardly makes me the amazin' Kreskin, I know, but I'm getting a little tired of the relish with which our defeats are being greeted. It would appear you are trying to regain credibility by laying blame elsewhere
The fact that you described with such relish the defeats against Chelsea and Leicester as "twattings" would imply you are trying to make things even worse than they are. to shift the blame away from where it really belongs.
Just to refresh your memory, it belongs firmly with the guy you (and me for a long time) supported. I accept I got it wrong. You should do the same
I don't think Unsworth is the answer either, but you are being rather sly with the stats there. Unsworth lost two games in a competition which the damage was clearly already done, His task has been to survive in the premiership.
The simple fact of the matter is Unsworth has been in charge of 5 Premier League games. He has won two, lost two and drew one.
Mr Hinde and a few others have painted himself into a corner, they'll have to hope Unsworth can pull them out of it, but those who supported Koeman no longer have a corner to stand in just painted feet.
It seems very strange that, having supported a manager with an away record as dismal as Koeman, that you should now be taking such delight in the fact that Unsworth has lost his two of his three away games with the same players.
351 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:01:18
Am I missing a week from my past? (Admittedly, I've lost a few weekends before today.) I though his only Premier League win was against Watford?
352 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:07:35
It say's everything that people will use a European game where there was simply nothing to be gained to criticize Unsworth, but they claim a game where we actually got three points was a dead rubber.
Rhino's not the answer but please, its bad enough without people actually trying to make it sound worse
353 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:08:21
354 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:09:49
355 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:28:00
I would say the coaching has not been consistent, nor has it been thought out properly, unless of course the men in charge are simply not good enough.
Darren, says you can't bluff on a footy pitch, but Kevin Mirallas, got sent home from training the other week because he was angry and can't accept our present position? I wish he'd have shown a bit of anger yesterday!
356 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:30:07
So sticking to the facts and the stats is clutching at straws, but distorting them or ignoring them isn't?
Just trying to be fair and tell the truth here.
357 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:33:32
The problem is that they sacked Koeman which was the easy part without sounding out prospective managers to take over. I assume it was Moshiri who pulled the plug on Koeman. Weeks later he approached Watford for Silva who for me is a really talented manager, and Moshiri did offer 㾶 million in compensation which is huge but Watford know that if they keep Silva they will still be in the Premier League next season. Which is worth far more than the 㾶 million compensation.
So that's not happening and they need someone in very quickly, the positives are we have an owner who will give the new man money in Jan and that may be are saving grace. As the others down there don't have the financial clout that Everton have. So while like everyone I am really depressed but there is time and thankfully a transfer window to help put things right. If it was the 1st Feb and this was happening then there might have been no escape.
358 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:42:47
Which part of my post points to me 'relishing our defeats'? I'm as pissed off as the next man and just want the fucking agony to cease.
You may also wish to brush up on your telepathic skills. I didn't disagree with his dismissal although for the Board not to have a plan is both reckless and ridiculous.
In fact I'm not even worried about who to 'blame' for our current predicament. That is a sport that many on here enjoy more than I. Although I would add blaming an interim manager with no experience seems a bit harsh. That doesn't alter the fact he appears way out of his depth and in the month he's been in charge you could easily argue things are getting worse, they certainly haven't improved.
What is important right now is what happens to change things. The last two games (and most of the previous dozen) show a side bereft of leadership, confidence and any sort of plan of how we play ourselves out of it.
If you think the best option is to let Unsworth carry on as opposed to replace him quickly I'm not sure which game you watched yesterday.
359 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:47:23
360 Posted 27/11/2017 at 12:58:58
A very strange response.
The clue is in the sentence "I don't think Unsworth is the answer either".
361 Posted 27/11/2017 at 13:16:42
362 Posted 27/11/2017 at 13:18:49
What's this new coach going to say to them, when the ball is crossed high, head it, or your marking suchabody or this space, rocket science or what! They obviously cant do it well.
They're a collection of has-beens and we've been sold a pup in Keane off present performances.
Looking at Wednesday's game, Carroll will have a field day, they will score at least one and the probability is more than one, I cant see past West Ham getting at least a draw.
The reality is we have a squad of moderate to poor players apart from 2 or 3 of them. I'm not including our young inexperienced players in that assessment, they deserve better than having been thrown into this situation.
363 Posted 27/11/2017 at 13:23:54
Probably added that to his current disastrous spell of results, not totally his doing, but his team selections and tactics have contributed.
364 Posted 27/11/2017 at 13:30:18
I am also not so critical of our defence, but nor would I praise them either. Even our new super goalie let us down by conceding the 3rd goal an easy catch for a good safe keeper.
But what I am critical of is a pretty pathetic midfield of Gueye and Schneider, who play suicide passes and are prone to play backward rather than forward. I see little alternative but to fire them. January window will hopefully see them gone. They create pressure on our defence by CONSTANTLY LOSING THE BALL.
I would continue with Sigurdsson as he clearly has a move forward mentality the two I mentioned are a waste of space.
365 Posted 27/11/2017 at 13:34:39
Well it's only strange if you are not following the conversation.
You threw a load of accusations about me relishing defeats, being a staunch defender of Koeman etc without a single piece of evidence. I merely pointed out you were talking shite.
Unsworth has won one game in charge. The rather fortuitous win at home to Watford. He's lost 5 and drawn the other conceding at close to three goals a game.
If you agree Unsworth is not the answer then great but of course my original post was directly responding to Darren who still thinks he is.
366 Posted 27/11/2017 at 13:41:20
Raymond, if our defenders are so poor, how come we were so solid last season? We were dreadful to watch, but very hard to break down. Now we have a better keeper, yet we're a mess.
Buying players only helps when you know what to do with them and can explain it to them. Koeman couldn't do it.
I'm becoming less convinced that Unsworth can do it, but he's only going to get authority if he gets offered the job for a specific period of time.
The club needs to stop bickering amongst itself, decide to work together and make a decision. Now.
367 Posted 27/11/2017 at 13:42:42
I find it very hard to comprehend how anyone can offer a defense of Rhino. Post after post aimed at Koeman and the zombie football played by selecting the "tackling machines"
Unsy picks the tackling machines and the outcome is not his fault?
369 Posted 27/11/2017 at 14:06:27
Jonjoe Kenny's dad is a big blue. Take it from me I went to school with the kid's dad and knocked about with him when we were kids; he is a blue.
370 Posted 27/11/2017 at 14:23:00
The two headed goals we conceded, our defenders were in position but couldn't get their heads on the ball which is not unusual for them. God help us Wednesday night! Maybe we are in a spell where there is nothing going right for us. Although saying that we have got lucky in one or two matches.
At the moment we look very moderate individually all over park. We just look short of quality, you know players who can spark a goal out of nothing. We will miss Niasse again Wednesday night; at the very least he gives the opposition something to think about.
371 Posted 27/11/2017 at 14:29:35
372 Posted 27/11/2017 at 14:32:57
Did Koeman, who I was glad to see the back of, appoint the likes of Ferguson or Jeffers to the coaching staff? Did he sanction the move for Rooney? Or invite Baxter back here?
Did he put the likes of Snodin and Sharp on the payroll to churn out the same old toe-curling tales of glory years gone by to keep us all on the hook? No, it was that old romantic Gordon Clegg. The man is nothing but a good con man. He kidded Paul Gregg in going in with him to oust Johnson, he bought Everton with his mate's money, another con man in Green, and now he has kidded Moshiri with coming in, shelling out millions on shite and at the same time paying for his shares that he bought with Green's money. At the same time leveraging the club up to hilt with loans from companies owned by his other mate Earl. He could sell sand to the Arabs!
On top of this he is supposed to be dying, he is a criminal genius because he has taken us for the last 20 years with his tales and eye watering yarns, it's not a nice thing to say but the only way we will get rid of this con man is when he dies.
373 Posted 27/11/2017 at 14:43:20
It's a reference to Bill's time spent in the 'Boys Pen' an enclosure that was used to house unaccompanied boys up until sometime in the 1970s I think, might be slightly later.
Here is more information on Bill courtesy of TW.
374 Posted 27/11/2017 at 14:44:35
375 Posted 27/11/2017 at 15:23:54
Having now read some of your past posts I see all evidence needed that you were indeed a defender of Koeman, No shame in that, I was myself only I'm not denying it.
You do indeed appear to relish the defeats Unsworth has suffered calling two narrow defeats (particularly the Chelsea one) twattings and on more than one occasion you have tried to rubbish the second of Unworth's Premier League wins by insisting it was "fortuitous" That's not a fact, its simply your opinion.
I don't think Unsworth is cut out for the job, but I will face facts and try to be even handed. He is stuck with Koeman's misfits and he has not been able to bring in a single signing of his own. but if it makes you feel any better, then just keep banging on about a competition that was all but over for us before Koeman left.
His premier league figures read played 5 won 2. lost 2. drew 1. Try as you might, you can't erase that.
376 Posted 27/11/2017 at 15:59:07
I was a supporter of Koeman in as much I said calls for his dismissal last season mostly by Darren as it happens premature. Hindsight ( see what I did there!) might have proved me wrong but I stand by what I said at the time.
If you can find a single post saying I didn't think he should be sacked this season I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Calling defeats 'twattings' may be a little hyperbolic but certainly doesn't indicate any relish on my part. I've sat through most of them with the same feeling of dread and disgust as most of us.
Just because something is an opinion doesn't make it wrong. Most reasonable supporters saw the Watford win however welcome as luck being on our side.
And finally to stick the tin hat on it, you complain about stats and meaningless competitions but want to add a meaningless end of season game into your stats. Funny!
377 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:00:33
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.
378 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:16:43
Talk about taking a gamble.
379 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:46:14
No disrespect intended here Tony I promise. I'm just trying to gauge people's opinion on this choice and how much vested interest they have in Everton, but do you actually go to the game? If yes, are you not mortified by the abject fear emanating from our players?
Allardyce, unfortunately, is the only name that ticks the requisite boxes... ie, endured and successfully passed relegation battles, galvanizes and unifies team, enforces the first code a professional should have- work hard, very hard.
If he completes this mission then thanks and goodbye. I believe people who subscribe to his appointment also think the same. Thanks, here's your money now off you go.
We're having to make the enemy of our enemies a friend... for now.
380 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:26:20
How have I painted myself into a corner?
Yes its true I have been calling for Rhino since as far back as April, but I wanted him in then. I wanted him to be able to buy in a few players of his own, I wanted him to work with the players pre-season. I wanted him to be given time to flush out the Zombie football the players had been indoctrinated to.
What ACTUALLY happened is he inherited a team in the relegation zone, a team totally bereft of confidence, a team totally conditioned to slow-paced, long-boot Zombie football, a team of misfits which will prove a challenge for anybody to shape.
This was Koeman's legacy and you know it... Painted into a corner? I think you'll find that was Rhino and you are clearly taking every opportunity to the boot in.
You fool nobody, trying to emphasise/exaggerate Unsworths defeats while talking down his victories. You and John G or Simon, were on here on a regular basis to defend the shite Koeman was serving up, The club gave him the time you were calling for.
What you are seeing now? ... They're called "consequences".
381 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:57:18
I desperately wanted him to succeed and to effect some positive change but the results speak for themselves and the fact is that he has failed to positively impact the team and crucially the results. Yes, he was dealt a crappy hand and the problems weren't of his making but, the whole point of sacking the last fella was to try and improve on results wasn't it?
We are sinking fast and we are ruderless. We need an experienced manager who can tighten things up, can get the best out of our squad and who can get some results by any means possible. The evidence is that person isn't Unsworth however unfortunate that may be on him personally.
382 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:44:48
The guy inherited a team in the relegation zone, He's already improved on that, if he is in mid table after tomorrows game That for me will represent very definite improvement.
Unsworth isn't getting the job, that's clear, but if he has us in mid table on Thursday morning, he will be entitled to stick two fingers up to those who have so readily put the boot into him instead of the guy who got us there in the first place.
If people want to complain about European games where the damaged had already done then that's their prerogative, so is calling a very unlucky and narrow defeat at Chelsea "a twatting".
383 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:03:09
If we win 5-0 on Wednesday we won't be mid table.
Southampton in 10th are 4 points ahead of us.
Always best to do your homework before posting.
384 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:13:27
A Sunday league manager would know to set up to stop the crosses coming in. Let's wait and see how Unsy sets up defensively.
385 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:53:17
I don't have to do homework. The table is on the home page. Like 99.9% of the football community see the term mid table as meaning 2-3 places either side of the actual dead centre.
Are you sure Carroll will play? The last player you singled out as the danger man (after doing your homework of course) was suspended.
Why not tell us your set up for tomorrow? Rather just sit and wait to criticise whatever team is selected.
386 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:08:37
387 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:18:20
Unsworth has had time to address and correct to some extent the defending shambles but as time's gone on we concede more and more often, getting visibly worse in shape and challenge. To me that indicates he's not up to the job, a job he never sought of course, and therefore should not be criticised. Most people on here have repeatedly said that, only for the touchy brigade to round on them as a consequence.
I hope we get a result against WHU but if there's one guy we really don't need to be facing just now it's Andy Carroll, or Arnautovic, or any other big lump who'll frighten our precious defenders to death on sight.
No matter who gets the job the first thing the next manager needs to find is spine in individuals, even before stiffening the spine of the team.
388 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:12:47
It's unnecessary to deride TWers as "pro" or "anti" Unsworth when all the time our club is floundering downwards.
Could not agree more Don. I'm pro Everton and it's my opinion that Unsworth is not the man to take us forward.
My opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Regardless of posters getting annoyed if that opinion is different to the one they hold.
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