This wasn’t supposed to happen anymore after Sam Allardyce was appointed, was it? The Premier League’s famed “fire-fighter” would whip together a sorry bunch who had, thanks to the flawed leadership and inadequate recruitment of his predecessor, helped plunge Everton into the bottom three and destroyed all the pre-season optimism generated by an unprecedented spending spree.
He would shore up the defence, make the Blues hard to beat, and slowly instil in the players a confidence that they could take on anyone in the top flight and get a result. And yet, here we are, staring at another 4-0 drubbing, four successive defeats and Everton conceding at a rate of 2½ goals a game. Allardyce’s unique selling point — defensive solidity and backs-to-the-wall defiance — has gone up in smoke since Boxing Day and it begs the question: so what now?
This was an utterly miserable performance, one only briefly lifted above the turgid and the hapless by a fleeting moment here and there early on in the final third by debutant Cenk Tosun and the brief, quickly extinguished, elation at a Wayne Rooney goal chalked off for offside. Beyond that, there were almost no redeeming facets save the continued shot-stopping form of Jordan Pickford… that is when he wasn’t left completely exposed by a flat-footed or simply non-existent back line.
I’ve resisted the temptation of hyperbole throughout this nightmare of a season but this was as abject as anything I’ve witnessed as an Evertonian. No (legitimate) shots on target for the third Premier League game in the last five and a collapse in the second half that echoed the nadirs of the Roberto Martinez and Ronald Koeman regimes.
To hear Sam Allardyce speak afterwards of having to now make his side more boring and less adventurous afterwards beggared belief. This Everton team couldn’t be more dreadful to watch, nor could they be less adventurous. The manager talked as if their maverick spirit had been punished as they poured forward in attack when, in fact, the Blues did precious little by way of getting forward beyond sending missiles forward from the boot of Jordan Pickford, aimed in the general direction of Tosun’s head.
The Turk was as isolated as his predecessors in the role before he was withdrawn in the second half — proof, as if it were needed, that you can’t just throw a striker into this team and expect all the problems going forward to melt away.
Rooney was deployed nominally in the hole with Gylfi Sigurdsson forced out wide left — a position where, by his own well-documented admission, he struggled during his own Spurs days — which went against all the logic established during the FA Cup derby, when the Icelander scored a lovely goal from a central position, while the Englishman had to be hauled off to save himself from a red card. Everton struggled as a result — Rooney again mis-placing passes left and right and Sigurdsson battling to assert himself on the contest.
And for all Allardyce’s renowned defensive bent, Tottenham picked their way through a system supposedly bolstered by twin defensive midfielders and around the fullbacks with ease.
Their first goal was an alarming case in point. With Phil Jagielka drawn way out of position to track Harry Kane, who had dropped off into attacking midfield, and Cuco Martina sucked across to centre-half to cover Son Heung-min, an ocean of space was left on Everton’s left flank for Serge Aurier to exploit. The Spurs defender delivered drove a hard and low ball into the 6-yard box where Son simply side-footed home from close range.
It’s been said numerous times but how a Premier League club of any description — let alone one with top-four aspirations which has been backed to the tune of £220m in signings under Farhad Moshiri — can go so long without acquiring cover at left-back just beggars belief. There hasn’t been a viable back-up to Leighton Baines for two seasons; while Martina has mostly acquitted himself as best as can be expected from a defensive perspective playing out position, he offers very little going forward and the simple fact remains that he isn’t near good enough even in his natural right-back role.
Tottenham’s second was almost a mirror image of the first although this time the freedom of the flank afforded Son came from Jonjoe Kenny’s inexperience as the South Korean expertly rolled him, leaving him for dead. Kane was offside when the ball was delivered to him but the defending in the middle was just as lax, with the striker easily able to steal between Jagielka and Martina.
Unforgivably, the heads went down after that as a sense of futility set in with 43 minutes plus stoppage time to go. That sense of pointlessness was echoed by Allardyce's substitutions: the ageing Aaron Lennon replaced the utterly ineffective Yannick Bolasie while Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Morgan Schneiderlin came on in unimaginative like-for-like swaps for Cenk Tosun and James McCarthy.
Kane plundered a second as blue jerseys ambled about and Eric Dier then simply passed the ball into the 6-yard box again behind the static Mason Holgate and Jagielka to toe it over Pickford.
And Christian Eriksen, the like of which Everton so desperately need in attacking midfield, finished off the rout at the end of an impressive Spurs move when he swept home Dele Alli’s flick.
It could have been worse. Pickford made a number of stops to deny Kane, Serge Aurier, Kane and Son. Son also rattled the post in the second half prior to the third goal while the Blues offered nothing going the other way.
As this played out, thoughts inevitably turned to how we go about fixing what continues to be a shambles at Everton. Allardyce was brought in with a specific purpose – one he achieved almost instantly with three wins and three draws in his first six league games in charge. There is a danger that we could get drawn back into a dogfight at the bottom if this sequence of defeats is prolonged but the hierarchy will, no doubt, have faith that the experienced “relegation specialist” will be able to stave that off.
Beyond that, you would hope that the 18-month deal he was offered — the brevity of which is being cited as a possible reason for the contempt of his leadership that some of the players appeared to show yesterday — means that work is being done in the background firming up a long-term hire with a more expansive outlook.
In the meantime, Allardyce’s rhetoric portends of more dirge to come in the next few weeks from an unbalanced squad labouring under the same limited approach as his predecessor.
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1 Posted 14/01/2018 at 17:21:33
Jags-sorry but no.
Martina-words fail me.
Rooney-sorry but no.
Sigurdsson-as use presntly, no.
There's half a team or so there that simply aren't good enough.
You can carry one, maybe two, weak links who offer a certain something at odd times but you can't carry half a team.
Overhaul of the midfield required. We need players who's first thought is to look forward, move forward, and carry the ball forward.
We have no creativity whatsoever and that exposes us time and time again.
I could go on but dunno if I an be arsed at the moment.
2 Posted 14/01/2018 at 17:28:09
Hate to admit it but the Moyes years will probably be the best it gets for Everton for a very very long time in terms of stability.
I cannot associate most of these players with Everton. They are simply dire. Dire players, dire manager, dire board and dire club.
3 Posted 14/01/2018 at 17:31:14
I'd just like to ask these questions because I watch enough football , live and highlights of other Premier League clubs to want answers to these..
Why do Everton completely isolate the striker and never EVER commit men into the penalty area??
How do they expect to score goals by signing one man and merely reducing him to isolation and live off scraps??
Why do no Everton players EVER look comfortable on the ball?
Why can no Everton players run with the ball and shoot and score?
And the few who maybe can are completely discouraged from doing so and kept from the team? (Lookman, Vlasic etc )
Why do Everton seem obsessed with holding midfielders that offer absolutely nothing other than sideways passes, stupid fouls and are too slow (Gueye, Schneiderlin and Davies)
Why do we continue with the same pedestrian bullshit players week in week out and expect different results????
Why do our board continue to pull the wool over our eyes and insult the intelligence of long term match going fans with ridiculous statements like Moshiri has been spouting this week??
Why have Everton taken every bit of entertainment and enjoyment out of going the match ?
Why can we never win a match we aren't “expected “ to?
Yet Burnley can win at Chelsea this season , last season Crystal Palace can win back to back at Liverpool and Chelsea , Watford can win at Arsenal ???
Bournemouth can win at Chelsea at the first time of asking in 2015?
Why are we always told we “cannot “ win these fixtures?
Why can we not win a Merseyside derby!?
Why have we gone backwards since Moshiri has brought money to the club???
So many questions that even one or two answers would be welcome in the midst of this disgusting mess at a once famous football club.
4 Posted 14/01/2018 at 17:38:17
I have no idea why we cant go with a 4-1-4-1. Let Gana do the only thing he seems to be capable of, running around and trying to tackle. Or now that McCarthy is temporarily healthy, let him fill that role. But why not have a 4 man midfield in front of him be Klaassen and Gilfy in the middle, both able to drop and help but also get forward and support the striker. Let Lookman and Vlasic operate on the wings for a run of games. Give them time to actually build some form. And let Tosun be up top.
That is a midfield and forward line with everyone in their natural position. Not putting Gilfy out left where he is essentially removed from our attack. We have players with quality on the ball in the middle and players who have pace and like to take their man on in the wings. But for God's sake, let the same players stay in the team to gain some cohesion.
5 Posted 14/01/2018 at 17:43:11
Jim, in answer to your questions about why we don't stream forward, etc., it's primarily because we have crap players and don't demand or expect a win-at-all-costs mentality.
We need absurd wealth PLUS a ruthlessly ambitious board. We possess neither at present.
6 Posted 14/01/2018 at 17:52:36
7 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:07:30
8 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:08:36
Is he taking the piss?
No what we needed was a F.A Cup fourth round appearance you prat!!
Why do we need a break??
We don't do hardly any running in matches anyway!?
9 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:10:25
Since then we lost at Bournemouth with a late deflected goal, we lost at home to Man United, we then lost at Anfield to another late goal after one of our better performances their in recent times, and then we got stuffed by one if the best attacking teams in the league.
Yes, there are problems, but we need to retain some perspective and bear with Big Sam for the time being.
10 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:14:47
11 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:15:40
It's painfully simple – that was then, and this is now. In that period, we've played a few better teams and been utterly and totally found out.
Open your blue-tinted eyes, lad!
12 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:16:04
Who is to blame? Take your pick my friends, but one thing is indisputable - every person involved in our demise has become considerably richer. The trouble with football, eh? All rewarded like a lottery winner for wasting hundreds of millions, including the players on £3-5m a season!
I watched Bournemouth today, the energy, skill and effort, all out shining our misfits who are on three times their wages, and cost probably 5 times more to assemble.
The question is, who will take the bull by the horns to fix this shambles? Too many chiefs, I'm afraid. The club needs dragging into the 21st century by the scruff of it's neck. Unfortunately, there is still too much money, and too many vested interests a stake for the reform to take place so that is so badly needed.
Football is a business like any other, expecting a long standing failed leadership to suddenly deliver any modicum of success is a futile exercise. There are people at the club who geniunely believe the charity exploits are as important as the playing side. I have the utmost respect for many charities and the good they do, but they should be a completely separate entity from any football club, especially one who is failing badly.
I am now also convinced that the Bramley-Moore stadium project only has a 50/50 chance of coming to fruition. Speaking to someone today, they are convinced there is very little chance this scheme will be voted in favour of. They say the Carillion crisis (they are building the new hospital in Liverpool) will be the death knell to any financial support to private businesses offered by LCC. He is well in the know.
13 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:22:05
14 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:22:40
He is giving more effort than most and scoring more, I'm not criticising him for his input.
But since his return , we have been slow slow and more slow. Pace from midfield does not exist.
The real Rooney is a mid twenty year old centre forward, one of the best.
The real Rooney is not a 33 yr old midfielder. It's not what he is . It is finding a place for someone who used to be a world class CF.
There is no place for him in a premier league side who wants top 6. We can never be a dynamic attacking side with him starting in it.
Mourinho saw that straight off.
We have to start constructing sides that can attack with pace , and get back behind the ball when not in possession. Rooney can't do it.
This is not a rant saying that he is the cause of all our troubles , that would be very unfair.
I'm trying to convey that our ability to attack and defend as a football TEAM has diminished since his arrival.
We need to avoid using him as a midfielder and use him as an attacking sub when necessary.
15 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:23:47
It's all doom and gloom right now, once we make a few changes, bring in Walcott and hopefully a Left Back, we should see some improvements.
16 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:28:59
17 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:30:40
With Moshiri it seems to be far too much money and not enough football sense. We finally get a bit of money and ended up facing a relegation battle. I'm wondering if the wages dished out to the likes of Schneiderlein (not just him, but the others signed by Koeman who will be on more money than those already with us before Koeman arrived) has divided and poisoned the dressing room?
If Sam goes in the summer, if West Ham are stupid enough to let Moyes go, I'd bring him back in to rebuild us again, I was delighted when Moyes left but this is bad, bad enough to think it would be better for us to get him back in this coming summer and try to start all over again.
There's no team spirit there any more, we're just getting by to survive and that's it, once we're ok we go back to don't care and getting stuffed mode again, this season's beatings have been bad, we didn't get embarrassing scorelines even in the seasons we nearly went down.
Our attempts on target in the last 5 games is shocking. This is beyond my comprehension on how to repair it.
Oh what I'd do for another Joe Royle type of manager again to come in and lift the doldrums and make us compete with everyone again, show a bit of heart, steel, determination and pride in the shirt.
A sobering weekend, been many of those this season.
18 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:43:01
19 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:48:14
Good post I think playing for Everton must be like playing for England as our players look scared to death. How many Bournemouth players would get in our side ( on paper) yet they can beat Arsenal
20 Posted 14/01/2018 at 18:58:02
Allardyce said today, “At this moment in time and from what we see, it hasn't worked. The lad is prepared to fight for his place, but before I came and since I've been here, in all the other players, there seems to be more coming from them than there is from Davy.
“That's a great shame. One, for the club and two, for the player. As a person and lad he's a terrific young man, but at the moment, there's not a place in the side for him.
“It's like everyone who's in this big squad, if you get a chance, you need to be ready. You'll get one chance, you won't get any more.â€
21 Posted 14/01/2018 at 19:00:10
22 Posted 14/01/2018 at 19:02:38
We have definitely seen signs of more effort and motivation since Sam came but the underlying problems remain.
We don't have a winning mentality anywhere in the squad except the kids and Rooney and he isn't better than championship standard now.
The people at the club cant see the urgency in getting a LB in. It is now 2 weeks into January and we are out of the cup and losing confidence and points again.
There needs to be a realisation by the management that Rooney cannot be in the same team as Sigurdson who must be played in his natural role.
There needs to be a realisation by the management that Gana and McCarthy are too similar in being able to nick a ball from the opposition but then not able to do anything preductive with it.
WTF happened to having box to box MF players like Wilshere and De Bruyne. They can win balls pass accurately and score goals.
The only player we have of that ilk is Davies and he's currently out of form and only 19 years old.
If the DOF and manager cant see these problems what chance have we got of moving forward.
25 Posted 14/01/2018 at 19:20:17
26 Posted 14/01/2018 at 19:32:08
27 Posted 14/01/2018 at 19:36:44
28 Posted 14/01/2018 at 19:41:20
29 Posted 14/01/2018 at 19:47:58
Are we ever going to buy a left back?
31 Posted 14/01/2018 at 19:58:29
Rooney's return was a mistake based on sentimentality by Kenwright. This goes to the core of Everton's problems who decides on recruiting players? Anyone and everyone seems to be the answer. With no strategy or future team building evident.
The only reason Rooney looks good at times is because he is in a very mediocre team. But he has lost it and has become petulant and ineffective overall, having to be hauled off in case he gets sent off.
Allardyce wants players between 25 and 30 who can do a job immediately to avoid relegation, so there'll be no thought of the future beyond the end of the season.
This saga has a long long way to run.
33 Posted 14/01/2018 at 20:23:03
LFC make money as a business, particularly from being in the CL, but that's a different thing from the ultimate desire of the supporters, which is to win trophies. Even if we were habitually like them, in the top-6 and Europe, ToffeeWeb would be rife with folks expressing dissatisfaction about yet another season of coming close but winning nothing.
34 Posted 14/01/2018 at 20:23:16
Contrast that to 10 years ago and it would have been gut wrenching to see the likes of Cahill or Arteta go in their prime years .
This squad, it just quite simply lacks the love of the Gwladys Street no songs, no bond, no affinity.
It's never been a love affair, let alone a marriage, and I doubt it ever will be.
35 Posted 14/01/2018 at 20:33:54
These are not the worst players that I have seen at Everton but they must rank with the biggest set of snowflakes that have ever graced the shirt.
Another point to consider surely is to release Gueye from his defensive duties. He is one of the few players in the team to go box to box and he should be given that freedom.
Yes, the WBA game is turning into a must win situation if we are to stay out of the relegation dogfight.
One final point, I think it's perhaps a little unfair Lyndon to take Allardyce literally on his "we must be more boring" statement. How can we be any more boring? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and take it that he would rather have had a good defensive performance resulting in an uneventful 0-0, rather than that the shambles that unfolded.
36 Posted 14/01/2018 at 20:37:48
37 Posted 14/01/2018 at 20:42:06
Davies is a shadow of the player we saw last season; now he runs around picking up yellow cards, has he any resemblance to the player who scored against Man City?
That leaves us with Sigurdsson, Rooney and Klaassen who all essentially want to play as a Number 10. We have Bolasie who is a winger and Lennon, another winger. Both have neat feet, can beat a man, Bolasie even has speed, but neither has a brain and their final ball is inevitably wrong.
Does Tosun have a clue, with that lot behind him and allegedly supporting him, about the quality of chances he is going to get?
I won't start on the defence. You all know the problems, perhaps we can use Garbutt as a left back, he must be better than Martina. Keane came here as an England player â€“ after three months playing in our back four he looks shattered, confused and utterly drained of confidence and ability.
Mr Allardyce even sounds defeated now he realises just what he has to deal with. Still we might sign Walcott, who can't get into the almost as abject Arsenal team, that'll save us.
Nil satis nisi minimum is what we have and I can't see it getting any better in the near future.
38 Posted 14/01/2018 at 20:52:35
He has been one of the best players in the premier league, starting sensationally with The Blues and carrying on brilliantly with Man Utd and England, breaking goal scoring records along the way and playing top class football for over 12 or more years.
But those years, where he gave his all for United and England have taken their toll on his body, he is far from the player he was and I take no pleasure in suggesting this should be his last season as a player.
It honestly saddens me to watch Wayne most of the time now. I'll never forget those first two years I watched you at Goodison.
39 Posted 14/01/2018 at 20:53:19
40 Posted 14/01/2018 at 20:55:36
41 Posted 14/01/2018 at 21:02:13
42 Posted 14/01/2018 at 21:04:04
I hate to say it but Liverpool have been built in recent years on attack minded formations with Managers who play to a system that use power and pace. Players are recruited to fit the system and the plan is executed and recycled accordingly.
Everton on the other hand !
43 Posted 14/01/2018 at 21:04:25
You're spot on with your comments on the 'sideshow' that is Everton's charity commitment. No-one begrudge's the amount of goodwill that Everton are involved with in the EitC project.
But I recognise a substantial amount of 'empire building' by the CEO of the charity as she engineers a move for her and her evergrowing team to the impressively refurbished Liver Buildings.
You can get away with this if the team ON the pitch is performing well, but it becomes more of an irritant when you travel 200 miles to watch the absolute shite we witnessed yesterday.
44 Posted 14/01/2018 at 21:07:34
The stat that hit home in the report though was the one that we haven't had a shot on target in 3 out of the last 5 games. I find that astonishing, I really do. How sad is that?
But at the moment, we don't look we have anything in us to create chances. The midfield is pedestrian and bereft of ideas and, although I'm no lover of Sigurdsson, to play him out wide is a crime. Still that doesn't excuse his lack of pace.
A midfield consisting of a mix of McCarthy, Schneiderlin, Gueye (and by god hasn't he gone backwards), Davies, and to a lesser extent, Baningime, is not going to bear fruit for us. They're all too alike and haven't got a positive nerve in their bodies.
The wingers, Bolasie; a one-trick pony, was crap before he got injured and has done nothing upon his return... and isn't likely to a shocking buy.
Lookman; yes, there's a player in there but successive managers haven't seemed to trust him. Give him 10 to 15 games to see if he can consistently do it. He couldn't do no worse than Bolasie.
I keep hearing people on here banging on about how the youngsters have done great. Sorry, not true. Davies, Kenny, and Calvert-Lewin are not good enough for the Premier League and never will be. Now that statement might hurt some Evertonians but it's the cold harsh truth. Name one side in the Premier League who'd sign any of them if they were up for sale?
It's time for this manager to get ruthless and quick because, believe me, we are in the mire. And he'll go the same way as Koeman and Unsworth.
45 Posted 14/01/2018 at 21:09:57
Bolasie has the same scoring rate as Lennon, 1 every 10 games, throughout his career, even in the lower leagues where he has spent most of his career. They are both second rate and bad signings. In recent games, Lennon has not seemed interested to me.
46 Posted 14/01/2018 at 21:11:00
47 Posted 14/01/2018 at 21:30:41
Stuck on 27 points for what seems an eternity and having to endure the last half-dozen league games is enough to test the patience of the most ardent Evertonian, add to this no FA Cup involvement to act as a welcome distraction and the bottom end clubs beginning to gain 3 points whilst we are stuck in a horrible ground hog day of no pattern and no shots at goal in 3 out of the last 5 league games.
2018 has seen us lose all three of our matches, the first time this has happened since 1960. Everton had no shots on target for the third time in their last five league games, having had no shots on target in three of their previous 222 league games. (Both stats courtesy of The Echo.)
The club has spent an incredible amount of money in the last couple of years, in transfers, wages and compensation and what has it got to show for it? Absolutely nothing that warms the cockles of the supporters hearts.
No iconic focal point for the team or supporters; no obvious leadership on or off the pitch; no identifiable method of playing save hit and hope for the best. It's not down to one man or even a group of men, it is the club itself which has lost its way.
The boardroom has been sidetracked by lofty ambitions which will mean little to the supporters, if those on the pitch are unable to muster a shot at goal or prevent the opposition over-running them on too many occasions.
A new ground would be nice; a stadium on the dock would be fantastic but not if the supporters have to put up with the manure that has been on display for much of the last three years and most certainly not producing the football that many of us wish to see.
I worried when I heard Moshiri speak about individual players by name as I care not what he thinks of any individual player or whether he likes them or doesn't. I worried when Sigurdsson was moved out to the wing again in order for Wayne to shoe-horn his way into the team. I worry when Barkley and Lukaku were able to leave without much of a fight, even if they had no desire to stay, and I worry more when youngsters like Tom Davies are being linked with David Moyes and West Ham.
We will more than likely escape the drop this season but not easily and more probably because the league is full of bad sides and there should be three that are worse than we are; however, that is no consolation to most of us and shouldn't be a cause for any sort of celebration if we do manage to find ourselves poring over the Premier League fixtures during the summer to find out who we play first.
Kenwright I think it was who said that Moshiri always said Yes when money was requested for signings etc, that could be seen as a good thing, however, saying Yes to everything could also be seen as a sign of weakness, sometimes saying No is more difficult but if it is for the right reasons it shouldn't present a problem.
Everton Football Club has to get it's priorities right the football team should come first and foremost, every ounce of energy should be used by senior people at the club to find out the reasons why good players are seemingly unable to play the game to an acceptable level commensurate to their salary. Many of the teams below us seem to be able to muster a shot or two in any given match, why is it that we can't?
Sam may put out the fire, but the fuel which helped to start it, will remain until the club's directors and senior men focus on the reasons why this season has been such a disaster in terms of performance and results. Throwing money at it won't prevent it happening again next season under the current or another manager and if it does happen again, there'll be little point in building a new stadium, for how many fans are going to want to watch another year or two of what we've seen for the last three or so years, unobstructed views or not?
48 Posted 14/01/2018 at 21:59:40
It is frustrating to all of us who love our club as we all do to see, year on year, inertia leading to backward motion when we should be going forwards. My question is how do we change that?
49 Posted 14/01/2018 at 22:14:10
WBA (h) 3pts? They are shite.
Leicester (h) 1pt? A battling performance.
Arsenal (a) 0pts? Can't see AW feeling sorry for us.
Palace (h) 3pts? Hope over expectation.
Watford (a) 1pt? Suits both sides.
Burnley (a) 1pt? Two goal shy sides 0-0.
Brighton (h) 3pts? Come on? Surely?.
Stoke (a) 0pts? They will be scrapping by then.
Man City (h) 0pts? OK another 4-0 home win. NOT.
Liverpool (h) 0pts? Just fuck off Klopp.
Swansea (a) 1pt? See Burnley result.
Newcastle (h) 3pts? Rafa will be looking for a move by then.
Huddersfield (a) 1pt? See Swansea result.
Southampton(h) 1pt? These are shite. So are we.
WHU (a) 0pts? Safe by then. Players on beaches etc.
Sub Total. 18pts?
Grand total. 45pts?
Probably enough to keep us up. I'm being as optimistic as I dare with the above and basing it on nothing more than gut instinct.
50 Posted 14/01/2018 at 22:48:24
Not only is Sam deluded with his comment to "make us more boring" but Moshiri likewise regarding his comments about "our fab four" equally so. Who are these guys kidding? Evertonians, unfortunately.
51 Posted 14/01/2018 at 22:57:18
That's roughly what I predicted!!
I go for 42 points though with 4 wins and 3 draws , I just don't think we are good enough to win more than that considering how appalling our away form has been for nigh on 18 months.
We will scrape 4 home wins that's about it!
52 Posted 14/01/2018 at 23:01:28
As I said when Koeman was still here we will do well to stay up this season. Parking the bus may not be entertaining. But at least it's a point in many matches. Points that will add towards a survival score. Which is better than nil points and a drubbing.
Hopefully, big Sam is only here until the end of the season. Even more hopefully, it's the same for half that team.
53 Posted 14/01/2018 at 23:12:47
As someone above said, why do we never win the unexpected matches like Burnley, Palace, West Ham do? Why can't we beat Liverpool? Even Hull did it last season!
I'm convinced that IF Eddie Howe was our manager and had the same players he used today against Arsenal, Everton would have lost!
Whatever manager we choose turns shite. Whatever promising top six elect squad we build ends up shite. Whenever we think we've turned a corner we turn into a pile of shite! It does not make sense that we haven't beaten Liverpool for so long when much lesser clubs have, some more than once.
What the fuck is it about Everton FC that we just can't break out of this mediocre state of purgatory?
I've never ever felt like this before, I'm usually positive about the blues, but maybe relegation IS what's needed to wake us the fuck up!
In the meantime If we don't win the Goodison Derby this season, I think I just might give up and stop caring just like half that shower of shite did yesterday!
54 Posted 14/01/2018 at 23:14:35
We have not won against any of the eight teams above us this season. Most of those teams can beat us very comfortably most of the time. Our seven wins have come against teams even weaker than us. I would expect us to continue picking up enough points against those teams to stay out of trouble.
The idea that a manager prepared to play a more expansive style could transform this lot into a cohesive unit is pie in the sky.
55 Posted 14/01/2018 at 23:23:50
No club does pain and suffering to its fans quite like Everton .
Every time we are allowed to believe something positive it nearly always ends up falling flat on its face.
It's a horrible time to support Everton let's make no bones about it, especially with Liverpool looking like such an exciting entertainment machine , just when you think they lose their better players , they produce equals, Suarez goes so they get Mane , Coutinho goes but then they have Salah who is like an Egyptian Lionel Messi!!
At least in the 1990's it was a rollercoaster ride of emotions and euphoria all mixed in watching a team that played with its heart on its sleeve despite its limitations it still dragged itself to a unexpected FA Cup win and boasted a proud Merseyside derby record.
But how far behind our neighbours we have fallen is shameful.
Liverpool seems to be an institute that demands it gets things right and at the very least gives its fans a team to be proud of and entertainment is a bare minimum.
Everton appears to be like a corner shop that simply wants to keep the wolves at bay and exist without ever rumbling the big boys whilst giving Evertonians a team to be ashamed of rather than proud.
56 Posted 14/01/2018 at 23:31:06
Why is Holgate in the team? I promise I'm not trying to be nasty for effect, it's a serious question.
Without fail, every time I see Holgate play he costs us 1 or more goals. Am I missing something?
57 Posted 14/01/2018 at 23:44:03
Why do they work together so well? By all accounts, they are mates. That is a major plus point for any partnership. They compliment each other. One is fast and technical, the other is big and strong.
I think back to around the turn of the century. Old Dave Watson played with young Michael Ball. Ball was a revelation coming in from left back to centre back. Dave Watson had been creaking and showing his age, but with Ball's young legs and his wise old head and impeccable reading of the game, our backline suddenly became solid once more.
Ashley Williams is no Dave Watson, but there is something of an echo of that partnership for me. The wise old head marshalling the youngster and coaching him through the game and using the best of what he has to offer. Holgate seeming to be a willing student.
What's the alternative? Keane / Williams? Keane / Jagielka? Williams / Jagielka? Tried, tested and found to be defective.
58 Posted 14/01/2018 at 23:54:05
We probably do very very limited work with the football nor physical fitness, stamina or endurance; it certainly shows in the performances. That is why we always look so bloody knackered!!
59 Posted 15/01/2018 at 00:20:35
To win games you need creativity but our football is so pedestrian that we have none
We've been lucky this season to have been given numerous soft penalties (most of them were penalties but generally we don't get them). That has masked how crap we have been and our utter inability to score goals
If you're playing 1 striker up front that doesn't get many goals (DCL) then play lots of goal getters around him: we don't do that
We don't support the play and we don't stream forward and get players on the box
We're turgid and boring to watch. Absolutely boring
People on here hate Moyes: well he was the last manager that we had that played cohesive football with a philosophy. Since then I have no idea what the plan is
You may have hated KITANO but it was a plan. Today we have have pure boring football
I hark back to Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, the Yak as people that could play football and did
This is rubbish performance wise and rubbish results
60 Posted 15/01/2018 at 01:13:10
Didn't get the idea that the players downed tools or showed contempt for the manager, simply that we were outplayed all over the park. The team was unbalanced with left flank especially exposed, and some very basic defensive lapses made it far too easy for them at times.
We both admitted that we don't have a huge amount of faith that Big Sam is the sort of manager who will have top quality players queuing up to join his revolution, either now or in the summer.
61 Posted 15/01/2018 at 01:16:26
63 Posted 15/01/2018 at 02:32:00
If West Brom win then relegation beckons . . .
Redshit beat City . . .
.../.../.../ ./ . . . . . . . (I give up)
64 Posted 15/01/2018 at 02:37:00
65 Posted 15/01/2018 at 07:42:56
66 Posted 15/01/2018 at 08:31:01
How many times this season has Everton conceded THREE goals in one half of football??
7 times we have shipped three goals in one half of football, that's massively concerning.
It's alarming how easily we collapse and it proves we have no backbone.
67 Posted 15/01/2018 at 10:14:50
Our luck has also ran out. We were getting penalty decisions and the woodwork was saving us for weeks. We don't have any team ethos whatsoever, just a rabble who look 5 yards slower than every team in this League. We could quite easily be dragged back into the mire.
68 Posted 15/01/2018 at 10:29:17
Stop the world I want to get off...
69 Posted 15/01/2018 at 10:45:26
It was very naive to come out with a statement like that in public after just six games especially for someone of Allardyce experience and it came across as a bit arrogant and self-indulgent .
The results since he spoke those words are 10 goals conceded since December 29th!!
70 Posted 15/01/2018 at 10:45:56
A man stuck in the middle of nowhere, stops at a farm to ask for directions, the farmer replies,
"Well I wouldn't be starting from here."
If Big Sam was the manager at the start of the season, I cannot believe the season would have started without us having a recognised no.9. He has inherited an unbalanced squad with a defence that is either aging or inexperienced. We have hardly hit the ground running and I think the magnitude of the job is starting to hit home to him and the fans.
71 Posted 15/01/2018 at 11:01:27
I think Allardyce possibly got complacent after those back-to-back clean sheets against Chelsea and West Brom hence the statement he made about having already sorted defence, now for attack!
But I agree the magnitude of how bad Everton have actually been for almost a year now is starting to dawn on him that this is not the easiest task he's had of keeping a team up. There's a very long battle for Everton ahead and 40-42 points looks a long road at this present moment in time for a team with just 7 wins all season.
I do, however, doubt that Sam has the capabilities of moving us forward as a club in terms of challenging once more at the higher end of the league table , I believe even if Allardyce starts next season then the attacking side of things and the style of play will be as equally as big a problem as it is now.
It's our style of play, not just individual players that dictate why we are so blunt going forward. I'm unsure Sam has the tools in his armoury to improve on that drastically regardless who he signs. Time will tell but I'm very doubtful.
72 Posted 15/01/2018 at 11:11:03
73 Posted 15/01/2018 at 11:11:08
We need an optimistic new manager who plays our best players in their best position and who doesn't have favourites. Who buys a left-back and a new young centre-half; who understands that a centre forward cannot, repeat cannot, score goals on his own surrounded by two or three defenders; that a solid defence allied with creativity in midfield is required and that without pace in attack we are doomed to pass the ball across the pitch and back to the keeper.
Really I truly believe its not rocket science. You don't need to be paid £6 million to understand the obvious, do you?
74 Posted 15/01/2018 at 11:21:25
Holgate could be good supported in a quality defence. As could Keane (remember him?)
The midfield needs pulling apart and reassessing. I'd like Allardyce to try playing these - even just for laughs!:
Lookman, Gueye, sig, Vlasic
Then try Touson and DCL up front together.
It seriously can't be any worse!!
75 Posted 15/01/2018 at 11:42:54
The Allardyce bounce has run out of steam and we again look like one of, if not THE worst team in the division. We can all see the failings but a succession of 3 managers can't.
The thing that annoys me is that we'll probably somehow manage to string a couple of wins together during the run-in and people will be posting on ToffeeWeb with phrases like "top 6" or even worse, using words like "bring on the RS" before the derby game. We never learn.
I said it when we appointed Allardyce, we are now a club whose raison d'etre is to exist in the top division of English football being content to come away from games against Arsenal, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea and the RS with a hard luck story at best or a C+ for effort. Our motto is empty rhetoric which has carried no validity for decades.
I walk round where I live in my Everton shirt with a pride for what we once stood for but complete contempt for the management, board and playing staff of our once great club. To make matters worse, the RS are only a goalkeeper and a couple of defenders away in my opinion for being back to challenging for honours and titles. We look further away from winning anything than at any point in my lifetime.
The only crumb of comfort is Bramley-Moore Dock but we still have yet to see any designs and have already got escalating costs and delays. Why do we bother wasting our lives eh? It's the hope that kills you.
76 Posted 15/01/2018 at 11:44:30
I'd then do everything I could to try and get Fonseca at Donetsk or Tuchel if possible.
Everton Football Club need a new identity, forget the School of Science, that's gone and has been for a very long time.
77 Posted 15/01/2018 at 11:54:31
If anyone's bothered about the performances we we've been pretty shite all season I'd rather be shite and get a win like against West Ham and Huddersfield or get a draw like against Liverpool and Chelsea than that rubbish against Tottenham and Bournemouth.
It is a bad old season but laughably we can still get up to 7th and while it's not progress on last season we're still shite it should be our target for what's left of this season.
78 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:01:18
We are 9th and currently 55/1+ to be relegated (get a bet on now if you think we might), we will probably finish 8th or 9th this season, that's not a disaster. There's 11 clubs in the Premier League that wish they could do likewise.
Allardyce is not responsible for signing the players in our squad, apart from Tosun of course. His remit when he was made manager was to keep us in the Premier League; he will do that comfortably in my opinion.
Yes I agree that we as a club have messed up big time in all departments. If you believe that you learn by your mistakes, things should surely get better.
80 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:01:40
It is hard to disagree with much of your post (although I'm not quite as pessimistic as you seem to be).
However, you have given us a great chapter title if any of us ever write our autobiographies: "Life as an Evertonian continues."
81 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:05:24
Well, we all know why. The blue team were sold to a man who couldn't afford them.So they slipped further and further behind the red team.
Now the blue have money but as they are so far behind the red team because expectations and standards have dropped it is going to take an exceptional man to bring them back.
I don't believe the blue team have that man in any capacity at all at the club. Very worrying times for the blue team but a fantastic challenge for someone with the guts to pull it together.
82 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:14:12
15 January 2018 and I'm thinking how has it come to this after a 4-0 reverse against Tottenham?
83 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:22:22
Pickford in goal.
Williams and Holgate centre backs, end of. Kenny on the right, Davies on the left (go with me on this).
Gueye defensive mid, Sigurdsson attacking mid; Tosun up top with 2 fast attacking wingers Lookman and Vlasic (they need to be goal threats, so not Lennon) and a 'full of running' midfielder, ie, Baningime.
We need pace and as the RS proved closing down high up the pitch. McCarthy, Bolasie, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Calvert-Lewin all benched.
We also have a team bereft of height but, hey ho, one thing at a time.. .Tallest player is Sigurdsson and he takes the free kicks... What have we got to lose?
84 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:36:25
Kenny has got to be taken out of the team. He was at fault for goals against Southampton, Leicester, Man Utd, and now Spurs.
If Coleman isn't fit then play Holgate at RB or as a last resort Martina.
85 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:39:51
There is absolutely no positive vibes for the fans to latch onto, we play some of the most negative football I can remember over the last 60-odd years. Oh we have had worst players than those playing today but at least they tried to attack and score goals.
We have Allardyce and Lee and Shakespeare, all ex-managers, yet they don't seem to come up with a plan that enables us to have meaningful attacks that can end with a shot on goal. And following the drubbing by Spurs Allardyce has suggested we will have to go back to being boring, by that I guess he means more defensive. With hardly any shots on target in our last 5 games you would think it would be impossible to be more defensive.
Next up is West Brom at home. So is Allardyce saying that we intend to play more defensively against a team who have won 1 in I think 16 games, and we are at home.
We then play Leicester at home, 2 weeks later. So between West Brom and Leicester he is taking the team for warm weather training, lets hope it gives him and his entourage a chance to work on the attacking side of the game.
86 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:44:26
87 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:46:54
88 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:57:20
I never wanted Rooney anywhere near us in the first place and despite his goals, which completely distort the true picture, he is the major problem.
Let's be honest, if he wasn't 'our' Wayne, would he be anywhere near the first XI?
And would we have paid any other 32 year old 𧵎k a week, smashing the wage structure at the club?
The answers are NO.
Yet he rocks up at Goodison to earn far more than anyone else and a place right in the centre of the team - yet deserves neither. He is the ultimate waste of space. A caricature of his former self.
And you can be sure the players know that too.
He crazily displaces Sigurdsson onto the wing, slows everything down and gets caught in possession from start to finish.
How much better have we looked when he has been either benched or substituted, with Glyfi allowed to do his job - which he is very good at - with pace on the wings either side of him in the shape of Bolasie and Lookman (as at Anfield)?
Rooney is living on nothing more than his reputation, and we are paying the consequences.
I'd rather have Osman in the team - and that really is saying something!
89 Posted 15/01/2018 at 12:58:06
They don't really seem to fight for each other either and the result of all this is what we see on the pitch, a slow, stop start, haphazard shambles.
90 Posted 15/01/2018 at 13:11:19
1 - Man City d
2 - l Man Utd l
3 - d Chelsea l
4 - Liverpool d
5 - l Spurs l
6 - l Arsenal
7 - l Burnley
8 - Leicester l
10 - w Watford
11 - w WHU
12 - Palace d
13 - w Bournemouth l
14 - w Huddersfield
15 - Newcastle w
16 - Brighton d
17 - S'ton l
18 - w Stoke
19 - WBA d
20 - w Swansea
The difference in results between the teams above us in the league compared to those below us could not be more obvious and starker than they are.
Our form against teams above us reads:
P 11 W 0 D 3 L 8 F 4 A 25 Pts 3 (out of a possible 33)
Our form against teams below us reads:
P 12 W 7 D 3 L 2 F 21 A 13 Pts 24 (out of a possible 36)
Given those numbers we are EXACTLY where we deserve to be in the league. We WILL (in the main) get tanked by the top six, home and away. We WILL struggle to score or force a draw against other middling clubs like ourselves currently above us.
By contrast, we will win most of our games - certainly at home - against all of the teams below us in the league. However, no matter who the opposition, as 12 months of results has shown us, we struggle to win away ANY WHERE!
We have just lost 4 on the bounce. Sadly, based on the above, 3 of those results - against United, the 'poo and Spurs - were almost inevitable. The Bournemouth default less 'forgivable'.
It is on the basis of the given data I have absolutely no fear of us being sucked into a relegation fight as some are getting twitchy about. Such twitchers are ignoring the fact there are others teams with worst form than ours.
Over the last 10 games, we sit in the same position in the form table as we currently do in the league - 9th.
Even over the last 6 games since our form nose-dived again, there are 5 teams below us in that form table - Swansea, Watford, Stoke, Southampton and (bottom of the pile) Burnley. Even in that table in which we have 5 points, 2 more teams - WBA and Leicester - also have 5 points but with a better goal difference.
Link to the above form tables:
I would add to the mix the idea that you need a minimum 40 points to avoid relegation is a myth. In the 22 seasons since the PL converted to a 20 team format, 66 clubs have been relegated. Only 3 of them were relegated with 40 points or more: Sunderland in 1996-97 and Bolton in 1997-98 (both with 40 points), then WHU in 2002-03 with 42 points.
The average final points tally of relegated clubs over those 22 seasons reads:
18th - 36
19th - 33
20th - 26
With 15 league games and 45 points still to play for, I am not fretting in the least that we can garner another 10 points to take us to the historically 'safe' number of 37 points. And before any one leaps on that statement, my ambition lies far, FAR higher than that paltry total.
Small comfort for the majority of Blues, I am sure, who wants us playing attractive football and challenging for trophies.
The wave of optimism that greeted our early summer dealings with a record transfer budget for Everton has long ago dissipated. Several leading figures at the club got that horribly, HORRIBLY wrong. We are suffering he consequences of that and the subsequent upheaval of replacing the manager.
Like many, I don't believe Sam Allardyce is likely to lead us to the 'promised land'. That said, he has my sympathy for the train wreck he inherited which was not of his making.
As I said on other threads over the weekend, I long for the appointment such as Spurs made in Pochettino who has his team playing deightful football, with a mix of good buys and home grown talent - a model Everton needs to adapt.
Who our 'Pochettino' is or could be, I have no idea. But I rather fancy unless and until we get that appointment right, we are unlikely to see any dramatic upsurge in Everton's fortunes.
91 Posted 15/01/2018 at 13:25:02
His tactics are based on a packed defence and long balls to a centre-forward that other players can feed off. Times have moved on in the Premier League, teams can easily neutralise such an attack with a few players and the extra players who are not needed can provide more support and options in attack.
Most people think Allardyce has no attacking plan. but the truth is he has one and it's not working. To play in the Premier League, you need an offensive system, keep possession, and have varied attacking options.
In Everton's case, Allardyce's simple attacking tactics aren't going anywhere and contribute to us losing possession. Other forward players aren't rarely in the game and are often isolated.
The defence is under more pressure and with are perennial centre-half problem of poor leadership, no organisation or support, raises its ugly head. Jagielka was told to man-mark Kane which added to the problem.
Allardyce, alarmingly, not only has simple attack tactics, but also has simple defending tactics as well. The opposition are now on to him and his luck, evident in his first three matches, as run out. Everton's defence has been inconsistent this past 5 years and no manager has copped on yet, or solved the problem. Allardyce isn't going to sort it either. He is in danger of exasperating it further.
The tide has gone out and Big Sam has been found to be swimming naked. Unsworth is better than him. How he ever got the England job makes you wonder. Hopefully whoever was looking after England will look after Everton.
Thanks for your astute analysis, Lyndon.
92 Posted 15/01/2018 at 13:26:53
However, I must now go back to my original thought in that Allardyce is the wrong appointment and a lot of blame for our recent performances are down to his boring/negative approach to the point where he must be contributing to the players lack of confidence in the way that he sets them up. He is saying to them, you are not good enough so defend for all you are worth.
Going right back to David Barks point (4), with his team set up. If we are going to lose with two defending midfielders, we might as well lose with just the one and give the team some hope of achieving something going forward. At the moment, once we cross over the half way line confidence goes out of the window.
Normally the optimist, I am not looking forward to the rest of this season, I can see us sliding into uncomfortable territory because Allardyce doesn't inspire confidence in the players we have. Eddie Howe has shown what you can do with an unfashionable squad this weekend.
Out of date; out of ideas; out of a left back; out of a commanding centre back; out of a midfielder with guile; out of respect for manager and board.
93 Posted 15/01/2018 at 13:32:59
How many more years is this board going to waste money and not replace the position Arteta played, with a player of equal or better qualities? The closest we have come was Osman when he went through a short purple patch that got him a place in the England squad.
We now seem to be in a similar position at left back with Baines being past his best, no recognized player in the squad to replace him, and it seems no player mentioned to be brought in this January window at the present time.
As bad as the team played on the weekend there is enough Premier League players in the squad to form a team to perform, that is capable of being in the 7th-8th position, as long as they are played in the position they are used to playing in with a team formation.
94 Posted 15/01/2018 at 13:35:20
I'd be shit but it wouldn't be my fault would it?
95 Posted 15/01/2018 at 13:35:23
You make a good point there about Eddie Howe getting the best out of an unfashionable squad, what is very noticeable with Bournemouth is again they play the game with a far greater tempo than we do; again it comes down to fitness; again it comes down to why do Everton always look so unfit?
What I will say, though: several Bournemouth players look far more lively than our players, I said when they first got promoted in 2015 there's a player there in Callum Wilson who can really produce the goods, lad got a terrible injury but he looks a really good striker, even better than Josh King for my money.
Twice we have played Bournemouth this season and, on both occasions, they have looked the better team. Even last season, in both games against them, it was purely Lukaku's brilliance in the 6-3 game that pulled us through. (We lost 1-0 away in September 2016.)
96 Posted 15/01/2018 at 13:56:43
Perhaps he just wasn't available as many other managerial options but it now seems Big Sam has shot his bolt.
Too soon to judge? Perhaps... but Saturday was just another debacle that we Evertonians have seen too many of this season.
It's time to show some guts and drop the ''big names'' and let the youngsters in. Sam doesn't appear to be in any great hurry to sign new players in vital positions so why not use the home grown talent who certainly couldn't do any worse.
97 Posted 15/01/2018 at 14:03:06
98 Posted 15/01/2018 at 14:07:56
He was signed as a forward and eleven goals and two assists in a team that has scored two goals in six games. A team that averages less than one shot on target a game.
We let in ten goals in the last four games, but Rooney is the issue. Honestly.
99 Posted 15/01/2018 at 14:22:32
100 Posted 15/01/2018 at 14:43:19
You've seen him play and I hope you realise the point I am making.
Who's to say Sigurdsson (who has a quality eye for a goal), and the centre-forward and wingers who would play alongside him in the centre of midfield, wouldn't have combined to a) score more goals and, more importantly b) get the whole team to play immeasurably better as a result of square pegs in square holes.
Rooney in centre midfield and Sigurdsson as left winger meanwhile are two of the most pronounced round pegs in square holes you will see in any team - shoehorned in simply because they have to appear on the team sheet - and it doesn't work. Neither is half as effective as they can be when played in the wrong position.
Love for Rooney cannot mask his inadequacies as the fulcrum of the team, which suffers as a whole when he muddles things up in the middle.
Play him alongside the striker if you must, but he is not some cerebral midfield genius. In my opinion, his best use is as an impact sub off the bench, to liven things up, up front, if we need him.
He's simply not good enough, in central midfield, to dictate the game and give us momentum.
Eriksen can, Hazard can, Silva can, Pogba can, Ozil can and Coutinho could (ha ha ha). Rooney simply cannot - any more than the aforementioned could transform into a striker in the twilight of their career.
He's too slow, too unaware of what's going on in close proximity and the whole team suffers as a result of having to play his way.
101 Posted 15/01/2018 at 14:43:51
Keane instead of Maguire
Klaassen instead of Richarlison
Williams instead of Evans
Bolasie instead of Zaha
All realistic alternatives we could have got in his time here for less money than he has squandered like Richard Pryor in Brewsters Millions.
102 Posted 15/01/2018 at 14:53:02
Rooney has scored ten league goals 4 of which are Pens he has two assists. He is the highest earner at the club.
He is far too slow to be playing for a team in the top half of the league, as he is given the best role and best wage in the team I feel he is a massive part of the problem. I watched him closely and been to most of the games; of course the pundits would never criticise him but some of his performances such as the ones against Newcastle when he scored Brighton, Atlanta, Liverpool, Tottenham twice, Bournemouth (where subbing him won us the game) actually make me wonder if he had been out on the ale before the games.
Yes, you can point at other problems such as the defense etc but the team is shaped around him, first with him as a striker and now in the key position in our midfield. We won't improve until he is out the side.
103 Posted 15/01/2018 at 15:43:37
Perhaps his value is just a tad more appreciated these days !
104 Posted 15/01/2018 at 16:57:15
The tail that is EitC is wagging the dog that is EFC. How can the Head of a charity with no knowledge of football or business, and even with a less than stellar track record of leading a charity before she was airlifted into EitC, manage to combine this job with that of Deputy CEO of the club itself? Moreover, her elevation to the Board brings nothing to the party in terms of moving the club forward towards what should be its primary aims, and at the same time deprives a place on the Board to someone who might.
Before anybody starts down the PC route, I would genuinely love to see more women in pivotal roles in football and many of the best posts to TW are from female contributors. My gripe is not sexist; it is twofold:
a) we need people on the Executive and Board of EFC, irrespective of gender, who have the passion to want to take EFC back to where it belongs and the intellect to do something to make that happen; and
b) nobody should be allowed to hold two posts simultaneously at the club at this level. The club needs a full-time Deputy CEO.
It is my suspicion that the present incumbent's reluctance to relinquish the charity job is based upon a mixture of personal vanity (photoshoots galore!) and the pragmatism of knowing that if her lack of qualification to run a Premier League football club is ever found out and she's sent packing by a new owner then she keeps her job as head of a charity run by a board of her friends... sorry, I meant trustees.
I am appalled at what is happening to my club. Nepotism and empire building are holding the club back. The deputy CEO is the gatekeeper and nobody gets to the people above her in the food chain without having to get past her. Those below her in the middle management can enjoy a comfortable well-paid existence as long as they pay her due homage (eg, to refute posts such as this).
It's no way to run a railroad, as we used to say, and the lack of excellence at the top impacts upon every aspect of the club including, and, lest we forget, most importantly what happens on the pitch.
One day I might write the book. That will worry her.
105 Posted 15/01/2018 at 17:45:22
The club unfortunately will need to be ripped up again players and manager.
106 Posted 15/01/2018 at 17:53:01
Allardyce, to me, is just too old as well as too old fashioned. I just can't imagine him on the training field saying anything more inspiring than,"Once more around the field lads." I also think he hasn't got a clue as to who we should sign.
Mysel,f as follower from the early fifties, and a one time teacher and coach, I openly realise that I too would be out of date coaching today. I think you have to be relatively young, inspirational and knowledgeable about strategy and how to get the most out of each individual player. Most important you have to be able to blend those special talents into a team.
Please, Everton Football Club, my still beloved team, think before you leap into further darkness. The past is yesterday. I enjoy my recollections and memories of the past, but I would still like to aspire to ambitions for a future.
I am old enough to want it soon. No more drastic mistakes for 2018. Without wishing him any ill will, I would like Sam to leave at the end of this season. For your health, and mine, please retire gracefully. Is that possible?
107 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:00:24
REACT Everton FFS! Martina cannot play another moment in that position because he entirely stymies us from attacking down that flank, not to mention being a bang average defender! If he is still the starting LB on Saturday when WBA visit, I think I will officially go mad.
Yes left-footed defensive players may be in shorter supply than say central midfielders on the sale or loan market. But there must be one out there somewhere we can buy or borrow, surely, surely?! I'm past caring who it is, just somebody who can kick the flipping thing with their left foot, that is all I ask!
GET A LEFT BACK (or recall / register Galloway or Garbutt) NOW.
I'm off to rock back and forth quietly in a corner...
108 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:01:37
I'm going to bed
109 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:08:01
That leaves only 4 defenders who can work well together, in addition to Pickford...
Dang, no Gana, for that... So could we have any winger who could be doubling as a foil for Tosun regularly? (In addition to Gylfi, who seemed to thrive on that...)
110 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:16:46
111 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:17:56
I think Allardyce has been listening too much to the Everton fans... Once we didn't lose for a few games, the manager were expected to win in swishing style quite naturally! We ARE Everton after all! We were the School of Science (maybe)! In the 60's. And that is only 5 or 25 years ago, right???
112 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:28:14
Otherwise we have the same old suits by and large with their nose in an ever-increasing trough despite new money (or sales money?) being brought into the club.
The soundbites from last weeks' AGM were cringeworthy in the extreme - voodoo, espionage, and the Everton bootleg beatles equivalent of the RS 'fab four' who collectively cannot hit a cows arse with a banjo in 90% of the games.
Mr Moshiri would also do well to not only stop speaking to Jim White, but stop speaking altogether until running his next proposed smart quips past a real life fan who daily has to endure the endless mirth from every other fan in the country.
It's season ticket renewal day today, the anniversary of the day a young, vibrant, hungry side tore Man City a new one.
Renewing mine? Only if a worldie left back personally delivers it to my door.
113 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:35:22
114 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:40:37
He needs to grow a pair before the next game and send them out to do what an Everton side should do to a WBA side, especially at home. Not try and become even more boring and less adventurous.
Creepily, listening to him, it seems as if it's his agenda for us to be shit so he can feel he has some purpose here.
115 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:43:14
However that goes, we'd not get relegated, I think! And we may very well be the last team in this money-era to get so many youngsters through to benefit the first team in the long run!
We've spent so much on youngsters these last few years, I refuse to believe there is no plan for the future in there... :)
116 Posted 15/01/2018 at 18:54:44
Also, there are players in the Everton team, who are not up to standard and have been for sometime, particularly in the back line and Allardyce's tactics are unsuitable for other players.
Allardyce's management has exasperated Everton's problems, rather than promises of the hype of his previous clubs.
117 Posted 15/01/2018 at 19:05:38
118 Posted 15/01/2018 at 19:19:38
Look at the salaries they pay themselves. The senior and middle managers are like the cast of Meet The Fokkers Friends of Kenwright.
119 Posted 15/01/2018 at 19:29:08
Starting the season without a backup left back should be a sackable offence. But not having one in place to be paraded while the corks were popping on New Years Eve? I cannot remember anything like this; it's beyond inept.
120 Posted 15/01/2018 at 19:36:04
121 Posted 15/01/2018 at 19:36:28
122 Posted 15/01/2018 at 19:45:50
As it happens I believe that the Stadium will not reach the planning stage as Mayor Anderson will have a very difficult task in persuading the full council that taking out such a huge loan, for and on behalf of Everton Football Club, is a good deal, regardless of the possible long-term benefits that the City might receive.
I also have concerns about how the cost of the Stadium will impact on the playing side of the club in years to come. Of course many will say without a new stadium we will not progress and indeed that may be true, but the devil may be in the detail as to how the Stadium, may also stunt our progress if we are tied to a long-term deal that we find difficult to finance over a period of years.
Saving the club from possible carpet-baggers in the coming quarter of a century may be a good idea in principle but what if that good idea becomes an albatross that stops us progressing when the game changes, as it is bound to do, some ten years down the line?
123 Posted 15/01/2018 at 19:51:15
Then his form dipped off with the team as Koeman was booted out, and he was written off. Some were calling for Usworth to ditch him and that's what he did. Then he is reinstated and scores a load of goals including that excellent hattrick. All of a sudden he's the best player in the world again, and even the national press jump on the bandwagon and start mentioning that England should coax him out of retirement.
Now the goals have dried up, the team has lost 5 in a row, and we've taken a beating. Rooney is the one who's coming in for the most criticism. You can bet a load that he'll only go and get another hat-trick on Saturday and go on another goal-laden run as we win a few of the easier games coming up.
So which is it? Is he great? Is he the reason we are losing? Or maybe he's somewhere in the middle. A fading player that was once world class, or at least close to it. As he fades he is able to roll back the years from time-to-time and almost win games singlehandedly, whilst other times, things do not go his way and he looks as bad as everyone.
I'm reminded of watching Kevin Sheedy in 1992. Sheeds was a similar age. He was about the last of the glorious team still playing. I recall one game in particular where he hit a 50 yard cross field pass which bounced twice and sailed out of play on the right flank, just in front of us. He was jeered by a few near us, and I joined in. My dad said to me, "No son, that wasn't sheedy's fault, that was a great ball, it's just we don't have someone like Trevor Steven to be making the run as it is hit, and the winger (forget who it was - Mark Ward?) just doesn't have the ability to be able to see that pass coming.
Now, that does not quite fit for Rooney. Rooney has played some terrible passes. Some terrible short passes, and I have thought, I can do better than that. But he has hit a few good long passes that other players have just not seen. He's also been restricted by the lack of movement of Everton players. You can only hit the great long pass if someone is going to make the run, and if he's looking up and seeing Sigurdsson marked and static, Calvert-Lewin / Tosun surrounded by 3/4 players, and Lennon / Bolasie walking forward almost hand in hand with the fullbacks, whilst Gueye and McCarthy are stood alongside him watching on, then what's he going to do, and maybe his poor passes come from going to option E or F, on what he wants to do.
Rooney is not the problem. He is still a vital player for us. The brain is there. He still sees things. The passing is there, in fact he's the only one hitting them now Schneiderlin has decided to play as poorly as he has. The stamina is also there. He is one of the few still getting up and down the pitch and sprinting back chasing lost causes at the end of games. Yes, he's slower than he used to be, but no he's not Sigurdsson slow.
The problem I have with Rooney is that he cannot be trusted. He also has absolutely no tactical discipline. That comes from a lifetime of being the player who is mostly on the ball or about to get the ball. Forget playing up top, he can't do it, he will go AWOL and drop too deep. Forget being no10, again he can't do it. Here he drops deep for the ball and then doesn't get forward. Wherever he plays, he plays FROM the position, not in the position.
I believe he has a lot to offer, not just goals, but in chance creation. But I've noted he's been playing higher and higher up the pitch. I want to see him deeper. My preference is to play a central midfield three, very narrow. One sits, and I do mean sits. He provides the shield and the stability and takes care of any opposition number 10. The role Schneiderlin did so well last season. Then we have the Gueye player, whose job it is to get forward and tackle. To chase the opposition up and down the pitch, safe in the knowledge that there's a man behind him if he gets by-passed by a quick triangle of passes around him. Rooney can then be free to do his thing.
Up front, we need pace. Lots of it. This formation is set to heavily counter-attack, and relies on getting the ball back and getting it to Rooney who will then smash a long pass down field and catch the opponent as they pile forwards.
Bolasie / Tosun is fine. It's the left flank where Sigurdsson is, that is the problem. He's slower than slow. I understand fully why he's played. Martina is a liability, no doubt about that, and he's there because he runs harder than anyone. Therefore, he should provide some defensive stablility. Only he didn't provide any against Spurs where we got over-run down his side. And he didn't provide an out ball. When receiving the ball, he can't use his excellent touch to take it past the defender, which he can do easily, because he cannot use his (non-existent) pace to get past his man. This means he gets the ball and he is coming back inside and slowing up the moves.
We have been far too ponderous, when really we need to play faster. and this has been the story of our season. We are too slow. Slow on the ball. Slow moving the ball. Slow closing down. Slow passing the ball. And ultimately too slow in getting the ball forwards. A lot of this comes from a lack of movement, and more from a lack of pace.
We need to shift the formation from a 451 to a 433. There's only a slight tweak here to be honest. The wingers need to step forwards slightly. But the main change is in the cover for the fullbacks. Make Gueye cover Kenny at right back. Let Rooney cover left back, he's done it before and he did it well. Then let McCarthy / Schneiderlin / Davies cover the centre and the number 10. Sure, tell the wingers to track back and provide some cover, rather than play 3 out and out strikers, but they need to be higher up the pitch and limit their coverage to about our 30 yard line. This way when we win the ball they can be charging forwards and allow Rooney to get the pass forwards quickly. The players for these wide positions should be from Bolasie, Lookman, Vlasic, and I'd even throw Sandro in there. I believe he can do such a job on the left, breaking at speed and coming inside onto his right. A move he did often last season. Of course Tosun is central, with Calvert-Lewin as sub.
Of course, my omission is Sigurdsson. He's too slow for a position on the flank. But what he can do is play Rooney's position. There's no reason he cannot be used as a sub for Rooney coming on at half-time on those days when Rooney just doesn't have it, coming on as he tires, or starting to give Rooney a rest. We should also knock on the head the notion of trying to play a number 10. Playing Rooney or Sigurdsson in this withdrawn role, getting on the ball early and getting the ball forwards quickly, is the way forwards.
124 Posted 15/01/2018 at 20:06:18
125 Posted 15/01/2018 at 20:06:27
So shall we settle on 'pivotal' midfielder for these purposes?
Whatever the description, I listed the most influential six in the teams above us (one for each), to highlight how behind he curve Rooney is and how we suffer as a consequence.
Sigurdsson does everything better than Rooney - so why not play him in the middle and push Rooney out to the wing (preferably the one nearest the bench)?
He is imperious in one respect however, in that none of the other six can be relied upon to give the ball away or get caught in possession like him. He is absolutely without peer in that department.
Whenever did you see Eriksen for example, get consistently bundled off the ball, scuff it to an opposition player, get taken by surprise, or need too much time to gather his thoughts? Rooney does all the time, every game.
There can be no disputing that everything fell into place for the West Ham game and he scored a fabulous hat-trick. However, one swallow does not a Summer make - and Rooney has been shovelling snow in virtually every other match.
Have you not noticed how we magically play better, faster, more enthusiastically, more coherently and with width and purpose when he gets substituted?
That's because we have players in their proper positions.
It is rapidly occurring to most Evertonians that he is not worth a place on sentiment alone - which is what he is being picked on now.
126 Posted 15/01/2018 at 20:16:49
That said, to be honest, even if the stadium doesn't go ahead, I can't see it would matter so long as we improve on the pitch. It's the latter that's important, whether it's a new stadium or Goodison.
127 Posted 15/01/2018 at 20:26:05
Kenny has been one our best performers this season, he is a young player who is learning his trade. On the other hand I doubt if Martina is even a footballer
128 Posted 15/01/2018 at 20:26:10
Siggy is slow, because let's have it right, he should have been playing in the centre from the minute he signed, but he's stuck to the task, probably because discipline is something that comes naturally to him, (he's not really slow!) and maybe after scoring at Anfield, and with the team looking so much more balanced once Lookman, replaced Rooney, then maybe he had just had enough on Saturday night?
Wrong? maybe. But everyone has got a breaking point, and three consecutive managers have now played our record signing out wide, even though he hasn't got the pace to run a fullback. It's soul destroying for me just watching as a spectator, so imagine what it must be like for Sigurdson, who showed us what he can do from his proper position only last week at Anfield?
129 Posted 15/01/2018 at 20:33:53
For me, as stated above, he's far too slow to play there. I also think he's too slow to play just behind the striker, and like Rooney (and instead of Rooney) I'd like to see him play deep. But of the two I think I'd give the nod to Rooney, who I believe offers more goals, both from his boot, and by supplying them to other.
130 Posted 15/01/2018 at 20:50:05
You made a great point about Sheedy's pass not looking good because the standards of his team-mates had dropped, but if Bolasie had composure, we might have got a draw at Anfield, because he should have played Siggy in, who had just made another great lung busting run, in the FINAL MINUTE, instead of going for glory instead?
131 Posted 15/01/2018 at 21:02:53
Our problem is we have no sense of unity or team. Why could go from destroying West Ham who are now fearing nobody to now being afraid of everybody. I thought at one stage that we were moving upwards but it now seems that all the other relegation strugglers are making progress, West Ham, Crystal Palace which means if we do not improve significantly in the next few games we are back in the dogfight and, given the spirit Saturday, I would fear for us in that situation.
132 Posted 15/01/2018 at 21:07:12
133 Posted 15/01/2018 at 21:22:38
134 Posted 15/01/2018 at 21:38:14
Only a couple of veterans even deserve that distinction and they only because they relate to past successes which some of us can still recall eg, Jagielka, Rooney, Ferguson. We still have the likes of Tom Davies, Lookman, and some kids who won the World and championship junior cups who can possibly come good; as for the rest, god help us.
135 Posted 15/01/2018 at 21:46:52
West Ham has pretty much been his one stand out performance for me and that was a game where the stars aligned against a team that at the time were one of the few worse than us.
Of course he's only one of numerous problems we have but it still infuriates me no end.
136 Posted 15/01/2018 at 21:55:06
The reason so much attention is being paid to the ridiculous fact that the club has still done nothing to address the complete lack of a left back in the team is, well, it's a glaring miss. The full backs are incredibly important to a team's attack.
Just look at how important the following are to how their clubs play in attack. Moses and Marcos Alonso, Walker and Mendy (Delph as well), Valencia and Young or Shaw, Trippier and Davies or Rose. There is a reason Pep spent so heavily on fullbacks. They are incredibly important in getting up in attack, providing space for the midfield players and getting into the box.
There is no surprise that we are impotent down the left with Martina, not to mention being exposed when in defense. It's pathetic. Baines has been going downhill for years but the club did nothing. We were already struggling down the left because of his lack of pace. It's a massive need that the club has and continues to neglect.
137 Posted 15/01/2018 at 21:58:21
Transfer deals takes eons, the shop sell tops with LFC photos on them. The shop even got Tosun's name wrong when people started buying them Tuson!! FFS.
Moshiri makes everyone laugh when he opens his mouth, except us fans. Kenwright has fucked us for far too long. When I heard Tim Cahill was on his way to Millwall, I half expected to hear Bill had phoned him and said come back Tim, we need you. With you, Rooney, Bolasie, Tosun and Siggy we can have Our Own Famous Five!
Scouting is a joke and the amount we have spent on players in certain cases has been ridiculous. What does Walsh do? The amount we got for Lukaku was a joke. He scores goals for fun for EFC, and yet we sold him for a bloody pittance.
Then there was the who is going to replace Koeman fiasco. Moshiri wants Silva, Kenwright wants a British manager. Walsh wants Allardyce and we say no. Then, lo and behold, we go begging to Big Sam "Please come and save us!!!
Show some balls, EFC go out and buy Sanchez and Mata and FFS buy a fucking left-back!!!
Show real intent not showboat. I have run out of patience and believe me so have an awful lot of other people. Sort it out or get out, the whole fucking lot of you!!
138 Posted 15/01/2018 at 22:52:29
You know it's bad when you are a bit jealous of the fight shown by Bournemouth and West Ham.
139 Posted 15/01/2018 at 23:17:01
Roberto De Niro's character Mike says: "A deer has to be taken with one shot. I try to tell people that but they don't listen."
140 Posted 15/01/2018 at 23:17:07
141 Posted 15/01/2018 at 23:47:36
142 Posted 16/01/2018 at 01:54:03
143 Posted 16/01/2018 at 02:32:30
Martina is terrible but he was our only option so Sigurdsson should have worked overtime to protect him but he didn't. Maybe Sam told those two to try to make the full-backs look like fools but I doubt it.
I am with those who say that Sigurdsson should be in the middle. I think that Wayne can play midfield, at least he can see a pass even if not all of them come off. Start with the workers and give the flair guys a run out for the last 15 minutes until we are solid again.
144 Posted 16/01/2018 at 03:55:19
Utterly numb. Very saddened. Shame on those in charge.
145 Posted 16/01/2018 at 06:13:13
We need proven goal scorers, it's as simple as that. We have Tosun, but he can't do it alone. Calvert-Lewin has done a great job but is nowhere near being a premier league striker yet. Sandro needs a run in the team to gain confidence and to integrate with the players around him.
I remember the good old days when you signed a new player and he was out in the team and got the chance to prove himself over a number of games. Now, they get one start and,a couple of substitute appearances and are written off without having that bedding in time.
There's a lot to be said for the old way of doing things. It produced stability, confidence and team spirit, something we will never achieve with the constant rotation and weekly chopping and changing of personnel. Not rocket science, but it used to work well in the good old days.
146 Posted 16/01/2018 at 07:55:23
They knew he was way past his glory days as a striker , too slow and an undisciplined lifestyle for an elite athlete. They knew he was not a champions league quality midfield player too.
He may have the brain but midfield is not his place, he's too slow and finds himself out of position. His natural instincts are as a striker , not a midfielder. Never will be.
The problem is compounded because he is a big personality. Achieved the most. The player they all look up to and want to play through. They respect and fear him. He is central to our identity as a team and how we play.
It has contributed to a chronic condition of slow ,ponderous and mistake ridden football.
If he was still at Man Utd , he would not be playing.
I like his enthusiasm, his love for the club , and still think he has some quality as a striker. From the bench or as cover.
As a midfielder he is most definitely not the solution.
We need to wean off Wayne if we want to start winning.
147 Posted 16/01/2018 at 11:03:56
Pickford, thank god for him.
Jonjoe, clearly great potential. Not quite there yet.
Jags, at his best, very good with a small v. 5 years ago. Liked him very much.
Baines, ditto (plus his crosses and pens).
Williams, great Euro games, one good season for us, too old, too slow, too narky.
Holgate, never good enough. Like him but not good enough.
Funes Mori. Ok ish on a good day not enough of them. Injured.
Colman. Class. Missing youthful hubris. Injured.
Martina ? Martinarish.
Keane ? Biggest dissapointment of all. I'd never heared of him but the reports were he was the best of a bad bunch at Sunderland. Woo hoo! Woo not !
So. Very good goalie and one good full back who is injured. One Kid who will be the real deal. Not a recipe for sucess. A disaster five years in the making.
BTW I see Stones reverted to type over the weekend.
149 Posted 16/01/2018 at 11:51:04
150 Posted 16/01/2018 at 12:07:02
The new Wembley is impressive I suppose but when you are located in row 34 on level 5 the players start to resemble Subbuteo players.
The first 30 minutes or so was not too bad and even the period after the first goal up to half time was acceptable. However, what transpired after the break was a shambles, it was shameful.
The manager seems to think he has a free swing; if we lose it's the failures of the past and the players fault and if we win it's all down to him. His comment about playing in a more boring manner defied all logic how many shots on target have we had since the turn of the year?
We are a distance away from where we need to be in order to compete for a top 6 place. The sooner we reach the 40 point mark the better. Based on last Saturday's performance, particularly the second half offering; we are a bottom 6 team all day long.
To those of you who follow the team home and away, week-in and week-out, you have earned my admiration. The last thing on my mind on the walk back to Wembley Park Station was the next game!
151 Posted 16/01/2018 at 13:34:08
152 Posted 16/01/2018 at 13:50:10
Like a lot of of fans on ToffeeWeb, I don't see what Walsh brings to the table at Everton. He's costing a lot more than his brother Mick did and it looks like with same result next to nothing.
153 Posted 16/01/2018 at 13:53:46
154 Posted 16/01/2018 at 15:57:20
Glory for our club starts with a LEAGUE CUP WIN,unless that happens we just coast along just making up the numbers.
155 Posted 16/01/2018 at 16:05:42
Dave @152 - at least they got shut of Mickey Walsh - his brother seems Teflon coated
The big question - how do we effect change in such a regime and prevent another 30 years of woe?
156 Posted 16/01/2018 at 18:41:54
George @147 and many others continue to Saintify Pickford. Yes he is a good shot stopper but very far from a complete keeper. No command of area, parries the ball back into play instead of around the post, terrible distribution of ball from all too frequent back passes, decision making on coming out for crosses is inconsistent. This leaves a disjointed defensive set up. All great keepers know what they can do and boss the back four, when to go when to stay.
Same with our full backs, we persist in playing Martina at left back when we know he cant cross with his left. Why do not we switch him with Kenny and see if there is the same problem. Either way if we are playing one up fron we need the full backs to move forward which means that the forward midfield players need to be fast enough to get back and cover. Martina has been exposed because Siggy is too slow to get back.
Finally, our midfielders and centre halves are terrified in making a mistake and will not make a forward pass. Hence back to Pickford. I do believe there is the makings of a good team in ther (West Ham and Liverpool games showed this) but the coaching, direction and selection are not giving belief to the players.
I was not a Sam man, did not object however as any other suggestions were unproven risks for the situation we are in. Need however to see a bit more of change from Koemanns era to believe Sam can move us to next level i.e. comfortable at 6-8 place as near term target.
157 Posted 17/01/2018 at 14:56:44
What cannot be acceptable is the effort shown by some players and also the amount of attempts on goal either off or on target this has been woeful and must improve. The latter is surely down to tactics.
158 Posted 17/01/2018 at 19:15:30
I turned out for Crawfords (Cubs), The Lomond, to name but a few. Along side me was a guy called big Mick. Built like an Orc, and he would have buried anyone! Today's Babycham sippin, Nivea sniffin ballerinas... well, you get my drift. Personally, ex-RS Ratboy
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