Tosun scores but Blues stunned by Burnley resurgence

Even if we win today, I would still want Allardyce to be history, well before the next season starts, if not sooner.

I worried the last time Coleman played 90 mins in his first game back.

Several TW's said he wouldn't be put in that position! What happened, until today he hasn't even made the squad because he had a hamstring injury.

Play him for 60 mins or so, then bring Holgate on.

That way you see Coleman in the starting 11 at home next week against Brighton.

Hopefully Tosun has a good game today and opens his account. To all his doubters, give the lad a chance, because Sam hasn't.

Nice sharp play from Tosun. Dubai must have helped him to acclimatize to this weather!

Burnley had a good opening 10 minutes and continue to play down the channels well. Aaron Lennon having a good game as a result.

Pickford's save from Barnes was outstanding, but we have had the best chances, as well as scoring a really well worked goal.

The passing and speed of our counter attacks is hurting them. Theo Walcott is central to this. On another day he could already have a couple of goals to his name.

Here's hoping we don't collapse in the 2nd half and break Sean Dyche's truly awful record as Burnley manager of never ever having won a PL game with them after conceding the first goal in 50+ games.

Why on earth does Fat Sam not sub Keane with Holgate, he can't possibly be any worse. Leave Keane on and Burnley will score. Earn you money Sam

He takes creative players off when behind.

Absolutely piss poor... Again. Needs a massive turnaround in players, coaching, management,and scouting. It's rotten.

Burnley have not won in almost three months. Enter Everton.
Burnley have not come from behind to win in 53 matches. Enter Everton.
Burnley have scored more than once at home once all season. Enter Everton.

Add that to Deeney breaking his duck last week, and this sort of thing happens all too often at Everton.

I blame the manager. I blame the players. I blame the board. Everything about this club is broken. Everything.

I am not stunned - that was as predictable as night following day.

I don't think I have seen a more useless performance from an Everton team ever. How many completed passes did we make? I would be very surprised if it was more than 50.
This bunch of players appears to be unable to

control the ball
pass the ball - kick it as far up the field as possible or out of play appears to be the tactics as that happened dozens and dozens of times.
run around a bit
tackle the opposition
mark the opposition
put 100% effort in (for some it appears that 24% is all they can be bothered
to muster.

The manager appears to consistently choose the centre halves who are most out of form. He has about as much defensive nous as Roberto Martinez! A free header from a corner 3 yards out? Zonal marking - really?

I think that all the teams below us would be looking at finishing above us without any difficulty.

FFS this depressing beyond belief!,"Blues stunned by Burnley resurgence"

I am not stunned - that was as predictable as night following day.

I don't think I have seen a more useless performance from an Everton team ever. How many completed passes did we make? I would be very surprised if it was more than 50.
This bunch of players appears to be unable to

control the ball
pass the ball - kick it as far up the field as possible or out of play appears to be the tactics as that happened dozens and dozens of times.
run around a bit
tackle the opposition
mark the opposition
put 100% effort in (for some it appears that 24% is all they can be bothered
to muster.

The manager appears to consistently choose the centre halves who are most out of form. He has about as much defensive nous as Roberto Martinez! A free header from a corner 3 yards out? Zonal marking - really?

I think that all the teams below us would be looking at finishing above us without any difficulty.

FFS this depressing beyond belief!,,,1,14:31:50,,78.148.83.235,ok,1393,03/03/2018 14:31:50,garmor12,reader,, 902954,36340,toffeeweb,03/03/2018,Eugene Kearney,eugekearney@gmail.com,"Depressing, bleak, harrowing, worrying.

Why take off Tosun and Siggy????

Why is Williams still an employee of EFC?

Embarrassing.

If Stoke do us, I think it it willl put an end to Sams reign, but immediately after the last game.

I could be wrong but another shocking away day for EFC. It was a nap, that Burnley would win,no win for 11 games and they play EFC..

Another poxy weekend, roll on the end of the season. Lennon must be happy and had a good game, fair play..Sunday morning ale house teams take more care and are more professional than this squad.

What will be his excuse this time.

I can't wait to here who is to blame this time.

This is as spineless, naive and lacklustre an Everton team as I can ever recall. Even the relegation threatened teams under Walker and HKIII had some fight, some pride about them.

Keane played very well against Watford. Today, he showed yet again that we may well have paid a lot of money for a pup. Too easily muscled off the ball. Too easily stood up and run around. Little or no awareness of the whereabouts of the player he is marking. Any half decent defender would have easily been correctly positioned to block off and shrug off the run Barnes made for their equalising goal. Pickford - who again played well - should have come out made it more difficult for Barnes.

As for their winner, I was screaming at the screen: "Someone pick up Wood", 2-3 times. Williams actually LOOKS at him. SEES him there... and does Porthcawl to deny him the chance.

More than 2 months and 12 games without a win for Burnley . 53 games - FIFTY-THREE FRIGGING GAMES!!! - that they have NEVER won a PL game under Dyche after the opposition scored first.

Until today.

Everton that, all over.

Where is the desire to win in this team!

Pickford keeps pumping those high balls up the field and we lose possession at once in 90% of the cases. Why can´t he just roll the ball out to a midfielder (absolutely not to one of our defenders) and start passing the ball forward?

You really have to have an angels patience nowadays when you support Everton. This is just dreadful. £250 000 000 for these players, unbelievable!.

Allardyce out now!!

There's little point in carrying on as we are as two wins in twelve games is the form of a relegation haunted team. Brighton is a must win game and there's little doubt that Houghton has targetted Everton along with their other fixtures outside of the top six as winnable, so we'll get a game from them next week. To keep Allardyce means the atmosphere will be poisonous next Saturday and we can't afford for the crowd to be against him or his team. Hopefully results will go our way this afternoon but I'm not holding my breath.

But the biggest thing I'd level at them is they are devoid of fight. Not one of them gave a flying fuck when Burnley equalised and, let's be fair, there was only go be one winner and certainly not us.

This awful awful club has got a cancer running right through it and it needs radiation asap, starting with that fucking sentimental clown, Kenwright, and working down from him. What a disgrace this away record is: one win all season... Disgusting.

Anyone thinking we won't go down is living on another planet. We won't save ourselves, that's for sure; we'll rely on others to do that. We score and hide in our shell.

If this Moshiri is as serious as he says he is, he'd sack this clown tonight. Of course that won't happen though.

Williams should be done now. Culpable in both goals, if not solely for the first. Utter lack of composure when needed.

This team needs a midfielder who can boss a game

The sooner that fat twat Allardyce is gone, the better. What a joke we are. Burnley 6 points ahead. We can still get dragged into the bottom 3..Relegation beckons next season if that useless fat bastard and his hangers-on are still there.

Come on, Moshiri, get rid of this twat this weekend. We can then start looking for a new enthusiastic manager and start weeding out the garbage players we have in our squad... There won't be many left, I suspect. Dark times...

In the first half, we saw some good counter-attacking, but the defence... oh my word! It was only Pickford who kept us in front.

But the second half was just a dereliction of duty. It was plain what Burnley's tactics would be in bringing on Chris Wood, but you still expect international (ha ha) defenders to cope. They didn't.

Williams should be shipped out of the club asap. Keane is a bag of nerves. Why the hell doesn't Holgate play?

I'm really fearful that this shower could still get us relegated. I just can't see where the next win is going to come from.

It was stunning to me that Everton actually took a lead into half time away from home.

Utter waste of my time watching Everton really nowadays, an embarrassment of a club with an embarrassing lack of leadership from boardroom level to manager to the little lambs that turn out on the pitch every week.

We would have been better off giving John Terry a year long contract similar to the one Richard Gough was handed in 1999, at least he has a voice and leadership qualities.

Sam Allardyce must now be resigned to losing his job, not that he'll be arsed like because soft lad Moshiri was stupid enough to give him a fat contract .

It's time Moshiri stood up and started making wise footballing decisions rather than just flash wads of cash on Tom, Dick and Harry.

He probably shouldn't have sacked Koeman until he had a decent manager lined up instantly to replace him, then he keeps Unsworth hanging by a thread for more than a month before stupidly appointing Allardyce on a crazy contract .

The decisions Moshiri has made this season have greatly backfired and going right back to the summer it's been a farce really but it's reached its finale with the appointment of this joke Allardyce.

Get this, Everton are bad enough and could still get relegated THIS season!!!!

Says it all really!

You spend all that money over the last year to get “doubled “ by big spending Burnley!!!!

Equally culpable are “senior” players who are serial offenders of failing in their duty to the fans and the club. I accuse Williams and Schneiderlin as foremost perpetrators of this crime, but they are not lone offenders.

Martina is illustrative of the other gaping wound in the club; appallingly obvious inability to cope at this level. “It's not his fault he's shite” as my late father said about many of our former players. True. It's the fault of the incomepetent millionaires who foisted him and his ilk on our beloved club and then played them week in, week out in the face of all the evidence of their inability.

So what's to be done? A square one rebuild is the only answer to this 3D nightmare. Allardyce and his acolytes on the coaching staff should be sent packing in he summer to wherever third rate coaches spend their inflated salaries. And Walsh can carry their bags on his way out. There has been much analysis already on these pages as to who would come and who wouldn't. We have no chance whatsoever of Simeone or Tuchel. Get used to that. Fonseca probably is doable. I'd be happy with that. If it transpires that we are forced to look only within British football I'd take Dyche, not Howe, and (here's where some of you sack me off) I'd not reject Benitez - the man is a sound manager and pisses all over Allardyce. Rogers, by contrast, is a clown.

As for playing staff, give the talented youngsters more of a look in, sell the vast stack of midfield deadwood at fire sale prices and bolster central and left side defence. And buy a 20 goal as season striker. As you apparently forgot about last summer. Don't promise Mrs. Moshiri any new diamond jewellery Farhad; if you thought you'd finished signing cheques, you haven't. Before you've sorted this cesspit out you'll have mortgaged the dog.

Spot on. In hindsight, sacking Koeman when they did could prove to be the worst decision the club has made this season. I'm not saying I 100% disagree with Koeman being sacked, but at the time we were a team in poor form. Fast forward five months and we're a club in turmoil and an absolute laughing stock.

So poor with are passing, its horrible to watch, which is definitely not the managers fault, but he his not wanted by many supporters, so it's definitely time for him to go.

I have never witnessed such a fragile squad, and just hope they can keep picking up enough points at Goodison, because too many players don't have it in themselves to really fight, which is what we are going to need the most, if we are not careful.

Everton have just been done by league two tactics, which shows how poor we really are.

I think as far as SA is concerned it has all been said, the worst managerial appointment since we lost Howard Kendall,probably in our once proud clubs history, we are now a bad joke, an insult to those,like myself who have lived and breathed Everton all their lives,the laughing stock of football, only major surgery can put things right, from the top down

Two of the substitutions were rank. There is now way Davies and Siggy should have come off. Niasse did better than Tosun and whilst Siggy was on the pitch he looked a threat.

DCL is not a left sided player. He gave no protection to Martina and did nothing going forward. To then leave him on the pitch and bring on Bolasie was a bewildering decision.

Williams is a total prat.

But then again, from Allardyce's appointment, to persisting with Walsh, to the only natural left foot in the starting XI belonging to your goal keeper, to your captain swinging his elbow at 2-1 down, welcome to Everton Football Club 2017-2018, where complacency, arrogance, negligence, suspect judgement and incompetency rule.

The worst Everton side in history.

The worst Everton manager in history.

The worst Everton Board in history.

Have we reached rock bottom yet or is there more humiliation to come?

It's got to the stage where the fans need to take direct action.

Williams is a very poor player and he makes anyone who plays alongside him look very poor. He causes uncertainty at the back and he leaves the goalie out on a limb.

It is very difficult to pick out any positives from this game, sorry I mean impossible.

Why does Allardyce persist in selecting Williams and Martina? Why did he select Calvert-Lewin and then play him on the wing when everyone knows it's a position he finds difficult? Why does no-one seem to know what to do at set-pieces? Why are players playing so poorly? Why do I expect Everton to lose every time they walk on the field?

Eddie Howe = Young eager and with a pretty impressive record at a small club but what impressed me is the style of football Bournemouth play, they go to win and set out to play football.

Paulo Fonseca = No English league experience but I believe he would come here and at least attempt to produce a team of winners and would open up new idea rather than the dark age football we are currently watching.

Mikel Arteta = Maybe a controversial appointment and maybe too soon but I'd certainly watch Arteta carefully because everyone has to start somewhere and he's learning from the best under Pep Guardiola.
Arteta schooled at Barcelona and knows Everton as a club, he would be unlikely to replicate the Sam Allardyce way of any-football.

Marco Silva = Moshiri's first choice and I believe Silva would be worthy of a crack at the club, unfairly dismissed after one bad spell at Watford but it's forgetting that he produced a pretty good Watford team early in the season too.

These are some of the guys I think would be realistic targets, I can't see someone like Tuchel, Simeone etc coming here to Everton.

I agree. Get rid now, he only wants to keep EFC UP. Then he still has his reputation in hand.
We won 4 nil v WHU with sam in the stands.
I beleive the players playex for Unsy that day not sam.

Unsy and Big Dunc for the remainder of the season.
If we carry on with this shite at the helm then the Derby is I am afraid to say, a damage limitation game and at Goodison. GOD help us.

Keep Pickford (if we can), Walcott, Siggi, Tosun & Coleman, loan out DCL, put Davies back in the U23s. Sell everyone else, sack the entire coaching & management team, bring in a manager we've never heard of and make Rooney his player/assistant.

And get rid of Bill K and his sidekicks. Time for change.

The truth is, we don't have the quality players to be even a top-half team, never mind top six or seven.

Yes, I think we'll stay up... but only just!

We have maybe six players who should be in the first team every week, four or five youngsters who should be eased into the team, not thrown in the deep end as they have been, and the rest moved on.

We need a massive injection of funds to bring in true quality players, to play in their natural positions, and a manager who actually has a system in mind for his team to execute.

Over to you, Mr Moshiri.

That is something that does not happen and shows just how much of a mess we are in.

Sam can say all he wants about 15 Social media comments, the fans today made it loud and clear what they thought.

I cannot see Sam surviving much longer.

This is now down to the board to admit there mistake and relieve him of his duties but I don't think this will happen either. We are in the shit and there is no sign of it changing. Our club has imploded, fucked itself big time gone back 10 years.

I have zero confidence in our board to put this right, if others have then sound crack on watching this utter shite. We now have to aim our grievances at the board as FS doesn't give a fuck. He walked passed our supporters with abuse ringing in his ears. He just put his head down and smiled to himself.

When asked a question after the game why the fans were not happy with Siggy going off he laughed. Don't waste your time having ago at him direct it to the people who can put us out of our misery and sack this fucking RAT.

I can't follow this anymore. For those of you still paying a bunch of greedy multi millionaires your money for their spineless, weak, gutless, cowardly efforts... good on you, you mugs!

If they go down (and a part of me hopes they do) it would be a blessing.

I never wanted Martinez, Pig head Koeman, Walsh, Sammy Lee or Allardyce at the club.

Inept, Juvenile leadership and an embarrassment to a once great name in football.

The result was no surprise. Excuse: heat not working in video room due to frost damage, so could show players how to play against them. They should know anyway. Maybe it's because they are mental.

Good point is it has moved the fraud closer to the door. Bad that Moshiri will realise he has been ripped off again. How much more can he take?

I'm one of those mugs who will support until we are safe then I will not attend as part of my protest.

Allardyce's record on substitutions is not good and whilst Rooney was the right introduction, Davies was not the right removal and so it went. I've never seen Calvert-Lewin play with such lack of desire before. He must have issues with Allardyce. We're stuck with him for the rest of the season but then he will be gone.

I am with Jason 80 - direct protest at games is the only answer. As one or two others have noted our RS cousins got it correct when outing Hicks and Gillete

We can talk as much as we want on forums, end of the day it is just empty venting. Nothing we say matters because those in charge don't know and don't care that we exist. We are just money.

This is not a knee jerk response. I have been tired for years. Even the name is becoming a joke. If that name has to take an embarrassing step back to overhaul the club at all levels then so be it. We've done it before!

Since Moyes left I honestly have lost something with this club. I'm no longer the starry eyed child resting my heart at the feet of grown men from the terraces. I'm now a man taking my money back from a bunch of boys on the field.

I have much more in my life than Everton so if these idiots fail, it will be deserved.

Everton could have taken the lead with that great shimmy by Gylfi but alas just wide and at that point Everton hadn't had a shot on target in the second half.

What happened soon afterwards was Cuco cocking up again and presenting Lennon with a run that got the corner and then the game was over.

Big Sam and Little Sam have had their fun so please as a matter of honour both of you, take the taxi ride now.

"Each to there own Paul.
We can talk as much as we want on forums, end of the day it is just empty venting. Nothing we say matters because those in charge don't know and don't care that we exist. We are just money."

Have posted same thought for some time now.

Apart from Coleman who has only played 2 games this season, who should Pickford roll the ball too?

They would only lose it, so he takes them out of the equation, but then 80% of our first an second touches go straight back to the opposition.

I know the answer, but it won't happen all the time Allardyce is at the helm.

Sack him now, we can't get any worse without him, probably do better.

Still two things to come from today first Williams will not start another game this term and secondly Dyche should never be put forward as a candidate as his style of play is horrendous.

We all know what happened next.

Who knows, perhaps the powers that be at our club do give TW a cursory glance ?

Perhaps it was the TW poll from this time that gave them the idea of soft arse ?

I hope they are looking at the most recent poll.

I can safely say we are the worst team in the league and it is pure luck we are not in the bottom three!

Where do we go from here? Surely there's a very good manager out there that can transform this team? Look what Carvhal has done for Swansea!

I fear a mass clear-out will just make things worse! Williams, Martina and Schneiderlin, yes, but a decent manager could surely make the rest of these players better?

We have to beat Brighton at home! Must win!! It's so depressing... !!

John Terry on a one year deal to add some leadership.

James Tarkowski or Harry Maguire.

Xherdan Shaqiri.

And I'd have spent less money on a striker that would have done the business at Premier League level rather than spend millions on hit and hopes .

Wasted money of wasters like Williams, Schneiderlin, too much on Sigurdsson, waste of money on Klaassen who has no future, waste of time signing Sandro, Vlasic and Keane has been an utter disaster, I've seen tankers move quicker.

No one would argue that this team (if you can call it a team )will definitely pick up points away between now and end of the season. Add in to the mix we have to play Liverpool and Man City at home then the Brighton game becomes a must win situation because a loss would make every game a crisis match.

We now know that this is a team that cannot fight and lacks character and skill so we must win next week before the pressure becomes unbearable.

I've never been so devastated after watching Everton so poor and literally hopeless and knowing that we have spent a fortune to arrive in this situation.

When Carragher says we are embarrassing he really means we are a joke. But joke team or not the fans will have to get behind them again next week because that is what we do. That Sam is why you can boast of our good home record.

Agreed - I've said before that Dyche is the love child of Moyes and Allardyce.

Regardless of money the thing that drives us as adults is passion, commitment, drive, heart, love, desire, belief and a strong bond. It's part of being an adult and that was why we were drawn to the drama. Like willing a flu ridden Michael Jordan in 1997 to grab 38 points or Bruno hurting Tyson.

It's more than just money for us. You try giving your misses your credit card and nothing else and see how long your marriage lasts!

We loved Cahill because he was an average player (on millionnaire wages) who gave a fuck! The same for Carsley and much of those who made up the teams before.

The direction and vision I have seen in recent years boils my piss. Unlike us they don't have a winning spirit, or a desire for the club.

This team is treading water and I guess I'm tired of waiting for tomorrow.

I remember my wife saying to me "Why are you celebrating so much?" when we last won the league in ‘87. I said. "Well it might not happen again in my lifetime." I didn't mean it at the time but now it's looking like I was right.

We are the worst team in this division and we will be lucky to escape relegation. What actually happens in training? I ask because our players look like they haven't got a clue what they should be doing. When did we have a good defence? It's been so long I can't remember. Even when we had Jags and Stubbs they looked frightened out of their lives when they received the ball.

Now the defence is even worse. The ref did us a great favour when he sent Williams off. A player like that should never be wearing an Everton shirt. If Allardyce is still in the job on Monday, it will be an absolute disgrace.

But our problem is the DoF and its/his/their buying policy that's left us in this position. We've spoken/ranted about the imbalanced squad so there's not much more to say, but to go into a season with no left footed defenders is total incompetence, to not redress that in the January window is veering on sabotage.

We buy Tosun obviously needs service from the wings, Allardyce plays Calvert-Lewin as a wide player only that he isn't, while Lookman is allowed to go out on loan – like I say, that's near to sabotage.

Yes, get shut of Allardyce, the sooner the better, but get shut of the DoF v not just Walsh but everyone associated with it.

I'm from The States and I'm finally coming to England in September. But, as excited as I am, at this point, if nothing changes between now and then, I don't know that I want to waste my money on an Everton ticket.

Sad to see how far the club has fallen. Moshiri needs to see this and take major action now! Big overhaul needed asap!

Let's not forget though what a soft centre this team has. I'm sick of being let down by most of them. We need a clear out in the summer - the following have to go:

Stekelenburg - no longer required.
Martina - nothing personal, but he's our 3rd choice right back and not good enough.
Jagielka - great servant but his time has come.
Williams - has never convinced, is old and slow, and has let us down again today. Can't play in a back 4.
Schneiderlin- he has stunk the house out all year. Needs to move on, the fans have had enough of him now.
Besic - he's a trier but way down the pecking order. Time to go.

There are probably others.

We need 2 centre halves, a left back, a centre mid and probably a striker. That's the spine of a team. Let's hope we get some players with backbone, more than the shower they are replacing.

Need to hear his logical explanation again why we won't go down this season.

If I could find a book maker that would indulge me I'd lump something on us going down. We are and have been that bad all season.

The defence is a complete and utter shambles, with 3 centre halves who aren't Premier League status, no left-footed full-back as reserve (forget Garbutt he couldn't defend for toffee) a young pretender as a centre half who is always minutes away from losing his head and a goalie who now is starting to get affected with what's in front of him, and two mid-30-year-olds who were good 4 years ago.

I don't know where to start with the midfield, other than Gana and Sigurdsson the rest just don't perform consistently enough to warrant a permanent place. Schneiderlin has gone missing, Klaassen a dud, Davies's energy can't make up for his woeful distribution, Rooney has one good game in three.

Upfront, a young 20-year-old who tries but isn't there yet, Niasse who is an enigma, Tosun clearly must be wondering if he'll only ever get one chance a game; and Walcott, who must be wondering will we ever get someone on the end of his crosses. Bolasie a complete waste of money.

Virtually 80% of them cant pass the ball to another blue shirt. 80% make terrible decisions on how to keep the movement going. No matter who we get in, it's years and years away from anything worth watching.

We think as Everton we should be going out there with the intention of playing attacking, exciting football, never losing – well it's just not on with this bunch. Get real – it's a complete re-start with maybe Moshiri willing to pump in another 𧶲M or more on players and at least another 𧶲M on a ground.

How much would people take for some of our crap? Realistically?

Schneiderlin 㾸M? Williams free, Klaassen 㾶M? Bolasie 㾶M? Keane ٦M? Vlasic ٣M? Sandro ٤M? I'd keep Sigurdsson but may get 㿅M?

What a waste of money! Who is responsible for this! If it was me in work I'd be sacked!!

Need a manager and need a style of play then buy the players to fit into it!

Shambles!!

Allardyce wants to be sacked. It's obvious to us all and that poison is killing us. We are a shambolic laughing stock but we have to bite the bullet and get rid of him quickly.

Even more worrying is, the coaches of the teams were about to play will see how slow Michael Keane reacts to balls played down the channel. They will have also noticed that Pickford's biggest problem is he never comes for corners, so you put a man to pin him on his line and swing the ball to the far post.

I know this may seem desperate but I would approach Marco Silva and get him in place before the next home game. With Swansea beating West Ham easily it will mean we will be closer to the relegation teams than we were after Unsworth's last game.

If Silva is Moshiri's choice, then let him have eight or name games assessing the squad before the next transfer window. But if Fonseca is his choice then we have to hope and pray we get enough points to stay up.

I am refusing to name our manager because he doesn't warrant a mention. If this team manages to stay up it will be in spite of having him as manager.

They all played in shit teams too but I can't take to many of this lot! Maybe it's because I'm older but they don't seem to give a shit!

Fonseca in please the second Shakhtar's season is completed for me.

Whomever takes charge why wait?! Give the guy a chance to work with the existing players we have, see who he wants to retain, who he wants to offload, and we can hit the summer break ready to move early in the market.

It's SO bad.

Broken record time: when you play to draw on the road this is what you get

As for the game, I echo other peoples sentiments that Calvert-Lewin isn't a left sided player. BS really dropped the ball allowing Lookman to go out on loan. What's happened to Vlasic?

Williams again was awful and a liability, needs to go along with Schneiderlin. I think Keane got some unfair flack today. I thought he had a good game on the whole and it was Pickford who was at fault for their first goal.

It's all very grim. The worrying thing is that defeat is expected and it doesn't really hurt anymore this season.

Forget fly by's and banners

Stay away from Goodison next week make this blind and deluded board get rid of the 2 fat sams they are a cancer and destroying our club

Take your pick of bookies mate.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation

However, Keane was worse. The worst display of positional sense and awareness of runs being made around and off him that I can remember from any centre half. He needs to be on the shipping-out list in the summer.

I bet there is not a single person who watched that game on the box who didn't know what was going to happen when they kept putting up that stat about Burnley never coming from behind to win. There's nothing to say that hasn't been said a hundred times.

My long suffering Mrs still loves to go dancing. Tonight I will take her dancing.

Calvert-Lewin had a very ineffective game and Walcott was poor. The centre-backs will get most criticism and quite right too. Keane allowed himself to be bullied by Barnes and Williams gave him no help whatsoever. I saw the second goal coming when the TVcamera gave the view from the corner flag and you could see their player in acres of space at the back post.

Sam is trying to deflect criticism by blaming the loss on failure to take chances- they had far more than us and as soon as the second half started you could see them scoring. I thought that again there was a lack of fight, no leadership and subbing Siggy for Bolasie was crazy. Bolasie does not yet look fit to me whilst Siggy could have been moved more central.

The next game really is crucial. I would go for something radical and play Siggy in CM – our best player in his best position – and build the midfield around him. Play Baines to give some balance and maybe Garbutt wide left midfield?

Forget the protests until we are safe- we need the crowd behind the team to win our home games and cannot risk making an already fragile team even worse.

Words fail me with Allardyce- the smirk in the interview absolutely stank of arrogance – he may as well have said: “What the hell do the fans know?” Dreadful arrogance from a man who really doesn't seem to care.

If you can stomach to watch the game back, the Burnley player runs away from Williams in behind Keane who can't get back. Williams just ambles along hoping Keane will deal with. Martina is in no mans land half way between defence and midfield and the ball goes in the space behind him.

Keep Keane get rid of Martina and Williams for free if necessary. Build a better central defence unit as has been stated previously with a left sided central defender who can play a bit and a proper left-back. Then, barring injury, leave them to it.

Battered us?

A strange way to describe a 2-1 defeat where we missed two one-on-ones before half time.

Burnley are an awful alehouse team who just launch it constantly to a big grock. Do you think the Everton fans would put up with that if Dyche was manager.

I agree with you about Silva, if he is the plan for the future get him now and let him assess the squad. If Fonseca has been lined up hand over to Unsworth for the remainder of the season as he will benefit from the experience. The stakes are high but I feel Allardyce reaped the rewards of Unsworth in the purplish patch so a change now is the lesser of the evils.

Change has got to be now as the toxicity is tangible and will poison Goodison for vital games. If he remains there has to be a protest of some kind. In other threads turning our backs on the 18 and 78 minute has been suggested.

I don't think we will go down but this man may drag us much further into the darkness if he is not sacked immediately.

I have to disagree with you over Keane.

IMO he should be getting slaughtered for his performance today. He was totally culpable on both goals and was constantly in cloud cuckoo land. He is not even good enough for the U23 side.

Williams by comparison is the whipping boy but our best centre-back pairing has been Williams and Holgate. Some genius decided to change that and we have leaked like a sieve since.

Did you ignore the 21 shots that Burnley had compared to our 10? Did you ignore all the saves that Pickford had to make? We were lucky to escape at 2-1.

David, you are quoting stats there but did you see the match?

Walcott skied the ball over from 5 yards out with the goal gaping. He then shoots tamely with only the keeper to beat not once but twice.

In the first half, we played well going forward – much better than last week the problems came in the second half when we were awful. Burnley created chances but none as good as the ones Walcott missed we should have been further in front but shot ourselves in the foot.

And Simon, I've been an Everton fan for over 30 years so I am way beyond help!

Earlier in the season, we were getting outplayed by Watford at Goodison Park, losing 2-0. We got over the line that day with a 3-2 victory. We got a goal back and then we (the fans) took over, roaring them forward, urging them to produce more effort. We wouldn't let them give up. More than that, we made the Watford players nervous wrecks... more nervous than our own nervous wrecks; we were the stars that day.

We can do it again versus Brighton, Newcastle and Southampton. Forget Allardyce, he's here for a big check... Let's start next week versus Brighton; it's our club – let's fight for it and make and force the players to do the same. We are here forever; players, managers and directors come and go... the quicker the better for lots of them. Ever-fuckin-ton.

Justifiably blame Allardyce for lots of things but the players need to look at themselves today – not for the first time.

Those stats are from the damn game! Did you not see their 21 shots, their 8 on goal compared to our 4? What match were you watching?

How can you say Burnley didn't create any chances as good as Walcott when they scored 2 goals! I'd call the ball hitting the back of the net a damn good chance. Pickford had at least 3 spectacular saves to limit then to only 2 goals.

This team is an empty shell. There's nothing there. No camaraderie, no spirit, no fight, no passion, no interest, no pride, no nothing and that is worrying because if there's no interest in the cause then we are doomed, either this season or next.

I remember reading an article a few years ago about Everton being in terminal decline since the late 80s and, even though I brushed it off, it's almost becoming prophetic now. I wished I had kept it.

Brighton is a must win. They'll have one eye on their FA Cup tie the week after, so we need to get amongst them and win every 50-50. We have to be more aggressive where it counts, and hold a higher line. I was disappointed that Coleman didn't get forward today – he needs to be powering up and down the the line like he did on his comeback game.

This is a shit season, all that matters is staying up at this point. I know that everyone keeps saying we won't go down cos x = y² or some other convoluted points formula, but I'm holding my breath til we're four points clear with one game to go.

Dreadful team, dreadful management. Burnley were just a stronger version of us today, so absolutely no fucking way should Dyche be on our short list of managers. Hoof ball is hoof ball, fuck that.

I've asked you a question which you haven't answered instead quoting some stats like an Opta geek.

So your logic dictates that a chance is only a good one if it results in a goal? Well what spectacular hindsight that is.

By your reckoning, when Maradona picked up the ball in his own half in 1986, it was only a damn good chance once he had dribbled past half the team and rounded the keeper.

Been to 6.

Knocked it on the head after the 4 - 0 at Wembley. Spending the savings on 2 weeks with the other half in the Indean Ocean.

Better for my health.

I wanted Unsworth kept on for at least 5 home Premier League games. The panic signing of Allardyce on the back of a disastrous trip to Southampton (where injuries forced two early changes to an already patched up back four) was a knee jerk reaction that may end with a Villa like disintegration. Usually one club that seems to be secure in mid table at New Year plummets into the bottom 3 while one side manages to escape.

Given the dreadful results, lack of anything resembling team spirit or organisation and this season's penchant for setting unwanted 'firsts', I'm afraid that this year we are the seemingly 'safe' club destined for the drop. Our final new record for the season might end up being the first Allardyce rescue club to get relegated. However, we can at least dodge that bullet by sacking the smug bastard on Monday.

We were in good shape with Moyes at the helm, compared to the shambles we have now become. Kenwright wouldn't back him financially, that was the time to invest the money, another opportunity missed.

We're badly run by amateurs that's the real reason for our spectacular collapse, and until we get successful people to run the club, or just get lucky picking the right manager, it will remain so.

You obviously didn't watch the games against Spurs, Watford, Arsenal & the Europa League games... 'embarrassed' is an understatement. My mates now feel sorry for me.

Your email handle must be samallardyce@gmail.com. Yes I watched the match, they were better than us in every single department. The stats are used to put numbers to an opinion, otherwise it's very easy for someone like you to claim that we had the better chances.

No, we did not. Their goals were both very clear and good chances. They also had numerous other very good chances that were only thwarted by spectacular saves by Pickford. We on the other hand had a grand total of 4 shots on goal. None of their goals were via a Maradona like run.

Nobody is buying what you're selling. We all watched the game. We know what we saw. We were lucky to get out of that game only conceding twice. They had 21 shots, convertin 2. The first was a throughball resulting in a 1 on 1 with the keeper. Very good chance. The second was a header from a corner from about 2 yards out. I'd say that's a clear chance. Other than those 2 goals, they had so many other chances compared to our very few.

No Dyche. No Rafa. No to anyone who's ever taken a club down from the Premier League. No to anyone whose CV consists of managing to keep a shit club in the Premier League for three seasons. Just fuck off all these mediocrities.

I'd rather take a chance on someone coming up through the leagues, like Nuno Santos at Wolves, or a first jobber like Arteta. Not that either of those would risk their reputation on a basket-case like us.

Sam seems to have got himself stuck between two stools: if he picks an adventurous set-up we can't defend and if we go all out defence we can't defend. I thought he had been brought in to address our defensive weaknesses, but obviously he has found it just as difficult as Koeman and Unsworth.

Today's defeat was made in Watford – our lack of adventure there put pressure on the team today. Exactly the same thing happened at Christmas when we failed to take the game to West Brom and lost the following game at Bournemouth.

Sam has been in the hot-seat for 15 league games, we've won five, drawn four and lost six which means 19 points from a possible 45, which is only four more - 15 from a possible 42 – than Koeman and Unsworth combined, took from their time in charge. Given that record, we should just about earn enough points to keep us in the Premier League.

One. Allardyce will soon be sacked. Again he showed his tactical cluelessness and was easily outmanouvered by his Burnley-counterpart. Dyche showed Allardyce how to play his own game, and spanked him royally at it. Now it should be plain obvious to the board as well that Allardyce clearly is not up for the task as the inevitable sack draws ever closer.

Two. We will now fortunately be without Williams for the three upcoming games. Hopefully he will never play in a blue shirt again. His (lack of) marking on their second goal, pure schoolboy error, and the red card where low points. His distribution is equally woeful as he spreads his passes left and right, hardly ever to a player in blue. Keane is a good defender but he needs a leader type of partner in the central defence with the style of play we are applying now, a low defence with little possession. I think Keane will come good, I see a good defender there, and I think he will himself be that kind of leader in a couple of seasons under the right manager.

Three. Tosun scored and it will do him a world of good. We saw what kind of forward he is, a fox-in-the-box type. Many of us discovered that almost immediately and he needs service into the box, something there is precious little of under Allardyce, where low defence, hoofing up to forward, which will lose it eight times of ten, is the style. We haven't got that type of forward. Calvert-Lewin is the one who comes closest, but to put that pressure on a 20-year-old is a bit steep. I think Tosun would be great in a more passing-oriented attacking setup were we would create chances for him. As would Sandro.

Four. The goal we scored was true class. It was derived from us having plenty of players in and around the box, and some neat interplay between players that clearly have creativity. Unfortunately, they are not given chances to display it often enough because of the style of play. If we could push players further up the pitch and be meticulous in possession we would easily be able to play Burnley and all the other teams below sixth place off the park. With an attacking mindset we would have put this game to bed by half-time, but unfortunately the manager doesn't apply that type of play. But the goal shows that we have creativity in the team.

Five. Sigurdsson finally played in his right position, and I thought he was much better today than most other games. Now if we had a mentality to play attacking football, we could get much more out of him, but now he spends most of the game hunting down opposition players when they have the ball. We should be the one's possessing the ball, and the other team chasing it, at least against teams below the top six.

Further, with all the good Dyche has done at Burnley, I don't see him being a good fit for us. He has kind of the same gameplan Allardyce has, but he has a better way of getting his team to attack and create goals. In my mind that is not the way I want my Everton to play. I'd like us to be more easy on the eye and better with the ball, always going for the three points in every game with an attacking mindset. Dyche is though much better at creating teamspirit and making the players play as a team – something Allardyce is totally bereft of. But I want us playing better football so I'd like to see Fonseca in our hotseat.

In the defence, I'd really would like to see Holgate partner Keane for the rest of the season. I think both players have great potential, and both are pretty good with their feet, so they can pass the ball out of defence instead of hoofing it Williams-style. Giving them time to play with eachother now could get them to gel a little, and create a good platform for next season.

I think once we get a manager who will get us playing a more possession-oriented football and make us better at closing down opposition players and we start winning games, confidence will come and those two will flourish. Those who are criticizing Keane, I mean which defence looks good when the opposition is allowed to ping in crosses from left and right (mostly right today for obvious reasons) putting pressure on the back four? None. That will always create havoc regardless of who the defenders are. And on top of that we have two players in defence who can hardly defend: Williams and Martina.

If now the board only could take some action and sack Allardyce... If we can't get Fonseca in now, put Unsy in charge for the rest of the season... It can't be any worse than this. Then get Fonseca in asap, so he gets some time shaping the team.

Allardyce out now!

If we avoid the drop, let's hope we get a decent manager and 11 players who can play Premier League football. It's embarrassing for the owner, the fans and the few players who are good.

All this "let's get to 40 points first then sack him" bollocks, is what's wrong.< Get him and his midget mate fucked right off, we are a complete embarrassment to the Premier League.

Nobody fears us anymore, clubs/players who haven't scored for an age can't wait to play us as we just roll over and have our tummies tickled.

Another weekend ruined for Evertonians everywhere. We are far from safe because this team hasn't the fight or heart to compete at all. Nil Satis... my arse.

Otherwise some of the posts on here are truly mind-boggling.

Once we are safe, I would give Keane a few games alongside Jags, Coleman and Baines, if he cannot learn anything from those three players, then he needs to hang his boots up.

It would get boring if every single post was the same "get fat head out of our club" rant. Personally, I'm interested in hurling abuse at a number of targets, not just the biggest one.

"Where's Jay Woods (BZL)? [Wood, no 's', actually...]. Need to hear his logical explanation again why we won't go down this season."

Point #1. Jay Wood [BRZ] is around and posted on this thread both at half time (post # 9) and at full time (post #38).

Point #2 .As you seem to be aware of my unwavering prediction, you will also be aware my 'logical explanation' is still holding up. Since I laid it out in detail in answer to a poster who predicted just one more win in the (then) remaining 14 games, the results have gone very close to what I predicted. Indeed, believe it or not, but we are ahead of the game.

Home to Leicester was a predicted loss. We won. Up 3 points on the prediction.

Away to Arsenal, predicted thumping. Duly delivered.

Home to Palace, predicted win. Correct.

Away to Watford, predicted draw - possible win. Lost. -1 point on the prediction.

Away to Burnley, predicted loss. Correct.

Taken overall across those 5 games, we are 2 points to the good. Not difficult to predict for anyone capable of analysing very clear data.

As I keep repeating, stop looking at Everton's results in isolation and understand just how many games of ALL the teams around and below us are against each other. Today's fixture list and results was further evidence of this fact.

Finally, you state: "If I could find a bookmaker that would indulge me I'd lump something on us going down. We are and have been that bad all season."

You evidently aren't looking very hard, Paul. You could be making a killing if you were sincere in your claim. 80/1 is still the best price available on Everton being relegated this season. 40/1 the worst price.

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Alternatively, you could go the other way and back Everton to stay up, but the odds are literally not worth a farthing. Something daft like 1/650. Lay 𧽂 to win ٟ.

Those bookies, eh? What do they know...?

God, I know it's all been said, but there's never any sense of hope at games, even when we go ahead. Give me 11 Seamus's and I could move this team.

Good to see your prothetic predictions are becoming reality. Fingers crossed for those home games, going down is unthinkable.

I won't be needing that link btw. A little reactive after a terrible display.

Allardyce's tactics of protecting and defending from the back mean defenders never have a break and get frustrated that they're subjected to wave after wave of attacks that often means they're panicking, clearing the ball up-field, which in turn frustrates the forwards because they are continually chasing lost causes.

These are tactics of a lower league team playing a Premier League team. You could see Burnley were going to score and it was a matter of how many; they just constantly attacked Everton. The last two managers have lost Everton's identity by just trying to defend against the so-called better teams. Everton used to play football, no matter who we played.

My own opinion is that they should no longer wait but fire him now, and if they have someone else in mind at the end of the season, use David Unsworth until then.

Leopards don't change their spots so we are going to get the same for the rest of the season unless we change, and my own feelings are you don't leave over ripe fruit in your fridge to go rotten and spoil everything else.

He said: “If your own fans don't want you there is no point to carry on working because you are going to damage first of all your company, your club.

“At some point, you need to go away because the club is always more important than any person and if I am the point that creates a problem between all levels of the club, I prefer to go away.

“For me football is no drama. It's natural. It's true.

“I promise you for me, it is not a drama. Football is a joy."

What he said was – and he's friends with 3 of Evertons players– "Look you might not like this but there's at least 5 players in that squad that don't give a flying fuck how Everton get on They're there for one thing only: Money."

He said they are not bothered if they upset the fans, the board, or the manager – they'll still get paid regardless. And if the unthinkable did happen, they'll bail out asap

He did say the likes of Tosun, Bolasie and Vlasic absolutely love the place, the City, and most of all, the fans, and would do absolutely anything for them.

Wether you believe this is true is up to you but the kid has no reason to lie to me as I've known him a long time... since he was a kid, in fact. It didn't shock me but made me think: "What have we signed?" What a shambles this whole affair is.

[ps: I'm not naming the kid either.]

Goodbye.

One of my questions from today is: Why was Baines on the bench? If he is fit enough to be in the squad then he should be on the pitch. Martina is a willing trier but hopelessly out of his depth.

Tosun scored a very good goal – a real poacher's effort. If he is this Tony Cottee style of player then we should play to these strengths.

Everton failed to cope with the demands placed on the defence by a blindingly obvious substitution from Burnley. Big Sam then made matters worse by a series of three weird substitutions before our captain was sent off for an act of crass stupidity. We lost pace when Davies went off, a goalscorer when Tosun departed and our most able footballer when Sigurdsson was inexplicably withdrawn. This is not to criticise any of the replacements.

I just hope Baines and Funes Mori can be installed as quickly as possible – a back four of those two plus Holgate and Coleman is potentially quite strong – if not very short of match practice! Gueye is a fine shield and Davies a tireless runner. If Sigurdsson is played in his best position and Walcott allowed time and space on the right, then we have a gap up front and on the left of midfield. Tosun may have earned a chance and could be subbed by the twenty effective minutes Niasse appears to conjure up every fortnight. There is little beyond this – some really promising youngsters, a couple who are in the unproven category (Keane, for example), some ageing players who have served us well and a group who should be ditched now – Williams, Klaassen, etc.

I suspect the zombie manager may yet go before the end of the season. He will almost certainly be around to suffer at the hands of Man City and Liverpool. To be honest, he can't suffer enough for me. He has inflicted so much on us – it just seems fair.

His constant throwing players under the bus, and saying we have the same ambition as Newcastle and West Ham ffs, just goes to show what a clueless fool he is, or he's getting his sly digs in as he knows he's on his way soon.
Moyes's last game for us against West Ham said it all when their fans sang "Where's ya Moyesie gone?" and our reply was "You've got Sam Allardyce"

It's a funny old game, as they say, but no Everton fans are laughing under this clown. The sooner he's gone, the better.

Let's face it, we hate managers unless they're winning every game and playing beautiful football. If a manager of Everton resigned every time the fans hated him, we'd be getting through nine or ten a season.

I reckon we should have no more than two permanent and one temporary manager per season, so we should stick with Allardyce til May. In the meantime we can all boo the fuck out of him, which at least keeps us warm and passes the time until he gets his cards.

I'm pretty sure it was blues. If so, have we ever turned on a manager with chants before? I've witnessed the crowd turn on managers, but can't remember if we've chanted like this at others before?

My point is, surely there's no going back from that. May as well end this mess now as having him there for the rest of the season can only be damaging. Moshiri act now.

I hear you, buddy, careful though or else you'll be accused of being Fat Sam himself, honestly don't think I've ever been more insulted.

David,

I feel like I need to make this point again in relation to your constant whittering about the stats and let me try and make this as clear as possible.

Burnley have a shot from 30 yards out which trickles through to Pickford it is counted as a shot on target but it's hardly a chance.

Sigurdsson wriggles to the byline draws the keeper and cuts the ball back to Walcott who rushes in and blazes the ball over the bar from inside the 6-yard box.

Which is the better chance? Which move is the more expansive football?

Now your stats would indicate Burnley had one shot on target and Everton none but realistically which team should have scored?

I am not trying to defend Allardyce just pointing out that this game was much better than last week and we should have been more than 1-0 up at half-time; the second half, however, was shocking.

I don't think Evertonians enjoy 'hating' the manager in fact I think it's the last thing that any of us want to see. Much better to appreciate what he's trying to do and enjoy the team playing good football – but that hasn't happened often enough at Goodison Park for far too long – in the main because the club have appointed the wrong manager/personality for Everton FC.

Let's see if he hands in his notice if he has a bad run and the fans get restless.

I won't just blame the players. Everyone involved in this club deserves their portion of the blame.

I've reached a strange point with Sam. He's a poor manager, arrogant beyond belief, talks shit, he couldn't care less about our club, and he lacks any ambition. I've never disliked an Everton employee more than this guy.

But he was all those things before we brought him in. Hard to hold it against him too much.

Can I get too angry about this match? It wasn't the worst performance I've seen this season. It wasn't the worst I've seen this week. We're getting exactly what we appointed., ie, just enough to stay up. So don't expect anything great away from home. The next home game matters more.

The next appointment is a huge one, but it can't be done in isolation of the other problems. If our owner cannot get the club aligned to some kind of common vision then there's no "right man for the job" because we don't know what the job is!

Until then, sleepwalking our way to something better than 17th is the way. It's all we're aiming for. If you don't like it, there's no point blaming Sam.

Manager and staff deserve better than Keane and Williams playing like they are on Sefton Park, along with Williams and his pathetic unprofessional childish tantrums. Allardyce is slaughter for picking them. But exactly who else does he turn too when every centre-back in a squad he inherited is either too old and finished or too young and really not as good as some might suggest.

Allardyce attempts to get a left sided defender in, at the death of the January window as yet another transfer period ends in chaos and targets not acquired. Then that solution has a horror debut and is seriously injured and out for the season.

Before the fume gets going in my direction, I never wanted Allardyce, nor did most of us, but I reject the boo-boy mentality and tried to give him a chance. His arrogance is bringing him down. He's not us is he? Took me a while to see it but I did today.

But if anyone sees Allardyce and his fourteen or so games in charge as the problem, you are just closing your eyes to the collapse of our club, from top to bottom, it's absolutely leaderless on the footballing side and obsessed with loan repayment and Bramley-Moore. Everything about the playing side, starting with Walsh, is rotten. We have spent money but nowhere near as most sound-byte comments would suggest if you understand the simple principles of squad building.

Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce. Not one fit to clean David Moyes training boots and let's face it, in the last few years, he had grown tired and stale.

Almost an entire squad bar just a handful, useless, genuinely useless. How have we got here? No control, no leadership, no coherent recruitment approach, just a naive new owner, inexperienced and acting like a kind uncle as he throws money about, mostly in the wrong direction. Kenwright? No idea what's going on in the boardroom. Who is leading? Anyone?

Nine games. Big decision. Trust Allardyce to get the seven or eight points needed. Or accept the embarrassment of yet another dismal failure and bring in Silva .somewhat discredited I think or rely on an Unsy surge, all emotion and gung-ho spirit.

It may be enough. But we are truly a rudderless ship and I honestly don't think anyone at the club can grasp what's going on. It really feels that helpless.

We've conceded 1 or less in 10 out of 15 league games under Allardyce so we are undeniably more solid. Watford beat Chelsea 3-0 at home prior to beating us and Burnley recently drew 1-1 at home to Man City. Both are currently in the top half of the table. Anybody would think we'd just been taken apart by West Brom.

Anyone who seriously thinks we are going to get relegated, and that all the teams below are mysteriously better than we are despite being in their current positions, are being completely delusional.

We're bad but we're not that bad.

Jamie Carragher to take charge until end of season?

Sounds daft I know, but he says it how it is. No room for fools.

I know it won't happen because Jamie can see what's going on, and wouldn't want to be part of it anyway.

Could he be tempted???

Today we missed a great opportunity to go 2-0 with Walcott. The margins are very small. Today we attacked with more purpose but defensively we are so vulnerable to any attack. This is not a new problem but one that has been going on for years. Even Sam is aware of it but the personnel at his disposal is there to see.

The midfielders are not strong enough to protect the back four. We have missed a Carsley to break up play of the opposition. Not a fancy job but very effective. We have players in the thirty plus category and those mainly lie in the defence.

In the summer, I think Sam will be moved on. Whoever comes in has a rebuilding job. At least three years to get younger players and gel them together. The owner needs to realise this is no quick fix. Perhaps this has been the problem since he came in. Throwing money at it won't do. We are buying to show we are a big club with no plan.

If the owners want a director of football, then employ a foreign coach used to working under this model. Is that want we have? If so, the director of football must be sacked immediately. If not and managers have put their request for players then it's not totally his fault. The role of director of football is to buy players needed to improve the team. The coach is in charge of team performances solely.

The board need to meet and set new aims and objectives. Manager after manager spending then moving on achieving nothing must stop. Sadly, it will require more patience by the fans but if we see a plan with energy moving forward it will be worth it.

Decisions to be made. Over to the board for the next chapter .

Ask yourselves the following questions:

1. Are you happy with the performances under Sam?

2. Are you happy with the desire under Sam?

3. Are you happy trying to nick a point against the likes of Watford under Sam?

4. Are you happy at the way Sam talks about the club?

5. Are you happy about the way Sam talks about the players?

6. Are you happy about the future of the young players under Sam?

7. Are any of the answers to the above different under Unsworth or Koeman?

Seriously – at some point, we have to stop defending this guy.

Lesser teams are just attacking down our left flank and crosses are coming in from there non stop in every game. Sometimes Cuco will find 2 opposition players to mark, they are attacking our weakest link so much.

It's a total amateur set-up in every way, it has to be sorted out from top to bottom. There is no attention to the most basic of detail.

There needs to be a forest fire through the club, the current coaching staff and scouting staff need razing to the ground. It can't go on like this if we want to improve and become a threat to the top 4 or 6.

Moshiri has got his work cut out with it all, he could do with bringing in an outsider from a well run club to sort it out root and branch.

If the club's infrastructure is not on a par with the top 4, including coaching and recruitment, we will never ever break into it.

This summer needs the biggest shakeup and restructuring in the clubs history. Kenwright and Woods need to step aside and let Mr Moshiri rule with an iron fist. The old guard is redundant. Bring in a new regime.

We've four more to go though, against Swansea, Stoke, Huddersfield and West Ham, so it's gonna get a whole lot worse.

And if anyone's still wondering why Duncan Ferguson's on the coaching staff, step forward Ashley Williams.

And Grant (#214) fair point, mate. Only West Brom are below us in the Premier League away league table this season.

Basically, the man doesn't have a clue about Everton, it's history, and sadly most of it, is history, he is one of the many mercenaries in the game today.

He won't lose any sleep like you or I do, before and after a Match, I use the term match loosely, as we are little match for anyone at the moment.

Fans live and breathe Everton, to him it's just a very well paid retirement programme.

The sooner he has vacated – sorry, I mean, 'is sacked'... because he won't go unless pushed, because he knows it will cost Everton, the better.

Apparently a lot more than you. Now fuck off – and take your Mini-Mee with you.

I am under the impression you were recently interviewed for the managers post at Everton. I fully understand your reason for deciding to wait until your current suitors, Shaktar, win the Ukrainian league. I also hope you gain further management experience by not losing to Roma in the Champions League on Tuesday 13th thus taking you into the last eight.

If per chance Roma win the game meaning you sadly exit the competition, don't hesitate to contact Everton to tell them you are ready to fulfil a life long ambition to manage in the Premier League. I believe you love a challenge, trust me – this will be a big one. Don't be fooled into waiting until the season ends as you will need to run your eye over quite a few players before they get the flip flops on.

Ignore the rumours about the London Reds Mr Wenger is part of the furniture and wont be moving for quite a while, and anyway you will be building a new history with a new ground not many can offer you that other than Everton.

So get the one way flight booked; see you soon!

Happy Birthday.

Williams? Captain? Thats an insult to the likes of Mike Lyons, Kevin Ratcliffe, Phil Jagielka and Dave Watson. Harry Maguire would have been a good fit. Tosun and Sigurdsson withdrawn – why???

I doubt even Marco Silva would want the job now, low confidence and disinterest running through club top to bottom. Allardyce and that red umpa-lumpa are insulting my club. Disgusted.

He knows the money is in the bank already and his last chance of making a proper name for himself has gone so he doesn't give a toss.

We are not going to get a top class manager with this mess going on at the club. We will get a promising manager only by offering massively inflated wages or we take a chance on somebody else and hope our bad luck runs out.

One thing is for sure though and that is the longer we let this big headed prick embarrass us on a weekly basis the lower we drop in the minds of those that may be considering us as a club to take on.

There are too many amateurs at the club so players' and managers' agents will know these weaknesses when we come searching.

If you can really disregard the number of decent balls they got into our box in the first half, the Pickford saves, the last-ditch blocks and even the fortunate/ timely deflections that just about thwarted open goal chances, then I don't really think you have a balanced view and I can't take your posts seriously.

Whether you like Dyche as a manager is immaterial because it is not related to the failings of our team as a whole that most of us are concerned about; just a smokescreen. Only the severely deluded can look at that game and come to the conclusion that it all hinged on the handful of clear cut chances we created.

Don Alexander, what did you mean by your Ferguson/Williams chat? It went over my head but I have a feeling I'll enjoy it once I understand it.

Ship out most of the current squad in the close season and replace them with some quality.

Oh and while we are at it, get rid of the useless Walsh! DoF, my arse!!!!

2. Why does Sam say things that are at odds with reality?

"I'm not changing the team." He changes it.

"The problem is we don't score enough goals" and it is obvious the defence is beyond crap.

"I'm surprised there is speculation regarding my position". I hope he is just delusional because there isn't really any other explanation.

"Walsh should ride out the criticism". WTF?

I felt we appointed Sam one game to soon. I think I was correct.

Hopefully the board read this.

I suggest you try looking before posting – whilst I'd never bet against Everton, you can get odds of between 40/1 and 80/1.

I hope to God we start to hear about Moshiri meeting up with managers. If they're not doing that right now, then run the lot of them out of town.

While you're there, do some scouting for a left-back.

Have a look at Andy's comment @ 200 and see if you can guess the identities of the five players in question.

I'll start us off with the easy two, Williams and Schneiderlin.

Any guesses about the other three?

Rooney as caretaker player/manager would see us over the line and stem the poison we are witnessing. If Silva is Moshiri's man, then get him in now. If we don't beat Brighton, we will see Goodison lose it. Too risky for me.

Harry Catterick always had the view that, even if a player was only injured, he was ignored as he was no use to the cause – what he would think of this lot wearing a blue shirt is anyone's guess but I doubt it would be printable. His Sunday morning chats with Sir John Moores on this lot would be interesting...

So... Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Mirallas, Williams, and Klaassen.

My five would be Williams, Schneiderlin, Mirallas and a couple out of left field – Holgate and Funes Mori!

Personally, I'd like to see some of these lot, in particular dickhead Williams, put into a boxing ring where Tony Bellew can just knock the fuck out of that waste of space.

Wisest head, tactically suss, most experienced central defender on our books. Puts his body on the line every time. So why isn't he starting?

Not even on the bench... Maybe he's told Allardyce some home truths. I can't imagine the dressing room or Finch Farm is a fun atmosphere right now... if it's ever been that for a moment since Allardyce arrived.

Until proven guilty.

Only on here could a thread descend into a 'My 5 love the club less than your 5' playground spat.

The three obvious names are, Williams, Schneiderlin and Mirallas. Hopefully the former two will join the latter exiting the club.

There's no way Rooney or Sigurdsson are in that list. I'd maybe add Klaassen. He turned down the possibility of winning a league winners medal with Napoli over money disputes. I'm totally lost over a fifth name.

So why the invective yesterday? I found the abuse unworthy of Evertonians. It was classless. It wasn't even as if this had been one of our worst performances this season.

The substitutions that set off much of the abuse were hardly outrageous either. There was a strong case for the removal of both Davies (ineffective) and Tosun (tiring), if not so for Sigurdsson.

I can't see relegation as particularly likely. If it was to become so, then we might arguably be better off if Allardyce played more in the way of all his previous sides (ie, with spirit and intensity and with all bar one outfield player behind the ball when not in possession). Instead he seems to be falling between stools, by selecting what on paper is an attack-minded side with some gifted players, but leaving his defence exposed.

Certainly his mid-season purchases were hardly Allardyce-like, in buying two forwards when his own preferences would surely have been a ball-winning, driving midfield player (the loss of McCarthy will have been a big blow to the way he typically would be wanting to play).

Allardyce has to go, obviously, but this explosion of targeted abuse in the form it took at Burnley, even if there was an element of the herd instinct about it, is unwarranted. It will also be unproductive; Allardyce is what he is – so, if there is to be a target, let it be the Board who appointed him.

Agents don't pay the price for underperforming players, players don't pay the price for their own failures, the fans and the club pay the price on every occasion. That is why the club pays huge salaries to the management and staff isn't it? It's their job to ensure that the players give 100% on every occasion.

It does seem that player power has spread from the elite clubs right throughout the Premier League, it's extremely unhealthy and very dangerous for the sport. More and more supporters of all clubs outside of the chosen few are questioning their loyalty to their club and the players who are supposed to represent them out on the pitch.

It's obvious that even those very experienced managers such as Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes, Hughes et al have no solutions to offer to combat this relatively new phenomenon. I certainly don't have any answers to the issue, how exactly do you motivate a twenty something millionaire?

FIFA, UEFA, various FA's, Media and Clubs should start to examine this issue which is becoming a cancer throughout the game. Perhaps the agents need to be less influential as they can create disharmony where there was none.

Once again the players had the chance to impress us, if they were good enough they would have by now.
I bet Moshiri thinks now 'what the hell have I got myself into' because he needs to spend an awful lot more money if we are going to be anything else but a middle of the table team.
We need a completely new start with Moshiri or whoever, with sole control over what happens at Everton by buying the other owners out.
We are not inside the club to judge who of the staff need dismissing, but there needs to be changes at Goodison.
Kenwright and Walsh should be gone for two, Kenwrights had his oar in for too long and Walsh has been a disaster up to now.

You can't blame Sandro for coming to England for the big pay day (£120k per week) and it just happened to be Everton offering it. But he's definitely one of a few players who haven't settled, who will surely move on ASAP. So it would be no surprise if he couldn't care less about the club.

Funes Mori seems to be very close with Mirallas and Schneiderlin, especially on social media etc. So it wouldn't be a surprise if he's a similar disruptive influence.

A commanding centre back
A left back
A commanding central midfielder

We could already have the squad to build around these.

Anyway, I think it might be easier to find the five who DO care. Rooney, Coleman, Jags, Davies, DCL for me. Pity two of those are past it, two of them aren't PL quality yet, and one of them has been out injured for a year.

Other than the names of the players, is there even one single fact (not speculation) as to your post about Funes Mori. Wouldn't surprise me if you were one of those claiming Lukaku was a disruptive force to the team too, despite no evidence of that.

You then follow it with an impassioned defense of Klassen, without any facts other than his name, he was a youth member and a captain of a club (from a second-rate league, my opinion), and that he is at Everton. Nothing else you said was factual, just wishful thinking or speculation. Seriously, are you his agent, a family member, or are you actually him?

Selecting Rooney has become an issue. He should never be starting no10 ahead of Gylfi and frankly he's struggling in midfield now because everyone around him is struggling and the defence behind him is abysmal. He's far from a perfect buy but he's not the issue so your rant is undeserved.

Dave Williams - Good shout naming Sandro. I'd totally forgotten about him. He doesn't seem like he's been a happy bunny this season, and would make my list of 5.

I was willing to give Sam a chance but I feel that his time is up. He has been unable to achieve anything positive with the squad since he arrived. I think that he has had adequate time to try to show that he has the ability to take us forward, albeit incrementally. He hasn't done that. We are stagnant or even falling backwards. I do not see any type of game plan either. It is totally haphazard.

I previously thought that we had some quality in the squad but now I accept that many of the players have to go too. With the possible exception of Seamus, I wouldn't keep a single defender in the entire present squad. We also need to send Pickford over to Pep for 6 months to have him coached on commanding the last third of the field.

As for the rest, Sigy and Theo have quality and will thrive with good players around them. The others can go. The problem is how much do we recoup for this miserable bunch.

I think it has been self-evident all season that something is amiss within the squad. I can add yesterday's game to yet another this season where I have questioned the players' commitment to the cause.

The following Echo story has already been flagged up in Lyndon's 'Decision Time' post, but it is highly relevant to the issue Andy references in this thread:

Link

Scroll past the speculation about the story's main theme - Steve Walsh's position at Everton - to where it reports how thorough David Moyes was about his scouting in his Everton days.

You have to wonder if the same extremely thorough 'due diligence' applied on Moyes' watch is still being applied today.

Because say what you like about Moyes (and before anyone completely misconstrues this post, I don't want him back EVER in any position at Everton after his actions and words towards our club when he moved to United), he had a good eye for talent and, equally important, for the right 'character' to fit in with the group dynamics. The dressing room was never stronger and more unified in the last 15 years than it was in Moyes' time.

Rather than TWers idly speculating who the 'Infamous Five (or more!)' could be, perhaps we and the hierarchy at the club could question who, is ultimately responsible for recruiting the players we have, how and why are they being scouted, and what criteria are they applying?

Because it strikes me no-one is directly accountable for the growing number of big-ticket signings who just haven't cut it at the club. Fingers are pointed and deflection is made, but no one is being collared or replaced for these failings.

Moshiri clearly hasn't yet landed the right manager for Everton. It is fair to add our first stab at employing a Director of Football also isn't working out.

A stiff-brushed Spring Clean ahead of a crucial summer is much needed.

Would still love Chris Wilder here as I'm sure he would rip our squad apart, boot out the shirkers, play to our strengths and pick only players that suit his system. Generally improve us and move us onward.

Mosh does love his foreign Gaffers though, so expect more of the same with even more money thrown after bad to come... Sigh.

Freeze those 10 minutes. Add a tough, forward-driving centre mid who can keep the ball with a similarly strong commanding centre-back and we have the making a of a team with an identity.

Sure, next game Allardyce will 'respond' by shunting Sigurdsson to the wing, bringing in Rooney to slow us down and worsen our poor ball retention and bringing in Niasse with his all-effort 50p coin feet.

Any manager thinking of joining us should watch those 10 minutes and see what the current one can't/won't. Then build a team round it next season.

We deserve relegation. Accept it.

What Williams did was Ferguson to a tee. Take out an opponent with a blindside wallop to the head. And before anyone points it out I realise we at Everton have rarely if ever seen Williams hit the heights Ferguson squandered.

In addition Ferguson, having rendered himself bankrupt, then turns up at Blue Bill's door and is allowed to join the FF staff despite having no coaching qualifications at the time. He's still here and his first loyalty will be to the plonker who employed him, not the manager, whoever he might be.

He's not the only one at FF either, we're full of "never-were's" being given summat to do by our teary-eyed "maestro" and I suggest that, Unsy aside, getting rid of everyone at FF and in the boardroom who "Get's Us" may go a very long way to introducing professionalism right across the club. It'd make a nice change.

Regardless of how Brighton finish up today, they will be a handful next week.

Our only chance is to start with Baines, then maybe, just maybe we might nick it!!! with some resilience down our left, rather than the space teams currently enjoy against us.

Brighton is the last game for me this season and all the time Allardyce is with us.

Kenwright could put on a production of Barnum with the clowns and circus acts he has surrounded himself with.

You never know!, but that's the Evertonian coming out of me.

All the time Allardyce is with us, I won't be attending home or away.

I only get to a dozen or so games a year, so they will hardly miss me.

How did I not wake up to news of our manager being sacked?

We do nothing while we freefall into obscurity.

Aim high.

They held that lead with a former Everton player in Shane Duffy too. A guy we should have never let go.

Would you rather have Williams - Keane or Duffy - Holgate?

Hmmmm .

It is no good changing managers, blame the players for showing a lack of desire and hiding from blame by not taking responsibilty.

Teams below us are showing some fight at least.Thirty four points are not going to be enough and I have no optimism left in this shambles of a squad.

The away games, as if our form and attitude isn't enough, are against teams fighting for their lives. If we were to lose next week and Stoke start picking up results, by the time we play Newcastle we would be right in the shit and the Goodison atmosphere will be acidic. Those of us at a certain age will know what that means.

We've seen earlier this season that this lot play like scared Rabbits with little discipline against anyone...We are the worst team in the PL and I really fear for Everton this season.

It might be one of the poorest Everton teams that we have seen in a long-time but we are not the poorest team in the division, by a long way. We need to win a couple of games from the remaining quarter of the season or not lose any of the games against the teams around and below us, the likelyhood of losing each and every game is about the same as me getting four numbers on the lottery. Somehow we will secure the necessary points or there will be three other sides who fail to match our tally.

Complacency is our enemy but talking ourselves down isn't going to help either.

Shots 20th
Shots on Target 20th
Chances created 20th
Chances created from open play 20th
Shots faced 19th

I dare say the stats before he joined would not make good reading either...

There's no masking how shite we are all over the pitch, if it came down to "The Dogs of War" well, I'm sorry, but it's more a case of "Puppies at Play" – the team is full of shithouses.

And if Hippo Head ain't shown the door tomorrow, then the club is ran by such people. Nil satis, my arse.

What a brilliant idea...

I posted earlier this thread about real threat of relegation. Looking at our fixtures and current form, we will need to pick up points against Brighton, Newcastle or Southampton. Brighton are organised and will come for a result. Southampton can seemingly score at will against our defence. Newcastle will come for a point and try to hit us on the break.

I think we can write off any pipe dreams of a result against the RS and Citeh and Swansea (a) are too good for us on present form. Stoke away is always a battle and our spineless wonders won't be up for it. Huddersfield (a) will relish having a go at us at home, but it is a match where we must go for a win.

That leaves West Ham. Away. Last game of season. Any team from 12th to 19th only needs a maximum of three wins/better results to go above us. Although some are playing each other, all have shown a better propensity to get a result against top teams and pick up points on the road. They will also fight to stay up.

Scary, isn't it? This Saturday really is a 'must win' or I fear the worst. The adrenalin shot of putting Unsy back in tomorrow might help as Allardyce is too busy counting his cash to give a toss about what happens to us.

Are you trying to say playing two forwards increases the likelihood of scoring goals? What madness is this?

And for next season, we need to be more creative. I would like to sign Shaqiri from Stoke. And despite the opener by Tosun, he is not good enough. We need another centre-forward. Looking for Batsuhyai or Vardy.

Billy Bullshit and Sideshow Elstone should be barred from Goodison. If Moshiri doesn't man-up, he has to go. This appears to be a paper exercise for him pushing his or somebody's dodgy money around.

This club is fucked and Billy has sold us out. Moshiri must be the biggest gobshite around, spunking the money on duds that no other club appeared to be going after. He also lets Billy pick the manager. What a crock.

Having spent so much money on duds, we have gone backwards as a club. Sir John Moores would never have had an Allardyce or pygmy Sammy Lee at our club. Unless we, us supporters, show them that we will not tolerate this anymore, we are the next Sunderland, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Birmingham or Villa – take your pick, folks.

In a sense it might be understandable against City – though not forgiveable – but then again I got to thinking that watching City can be pretty painful when they simply rack up pass after pass with no end product in sight. At times they look like the old Barcelona but without Messi and Neymar!

Lawrence Green (#257), one idea I think could have a positive outcome for the sport (as I don't think Everton are alone with most of their issues) is if a governing body brought in a policy that required clubs to draw up contracts to have win bonuses as a significant part of a player's payment. None of this 𧷤k a week business regardless of performance or results.

I know some contracts would have performance related bonuses (goals, clean sheets, etc) but if every single professional player in a league knew that their weekly pay was going to be affected by the outcome of each match, shouldn't that almost eliminate players simply going through the motions and maybe get players working together better to ensure they maximise their income?

Question: who is our Number 1 striker?

I've not seen Tosun live but I hope he would be our first choice. Niasse tries. Calvert-Lewin is promising. Rooney lacks pace. Vlasic...

Do we really need another top class striker or is it time to play 2 up front, not on the wing but through the middle?

As a team, we are worse at passing a football than any other in the Premier League, despite the 'talent'. Something is seriously wrong at Finch Farm.

Aaron Lennon looking confident and dangerous and moving under Dyche and his staff's stewardship is no coincidence.

The likes of Roy Vernon, big Labby, Westy, the wonderful Golden Vision, Bally and Howie Kendall etc must be turning in their graves at what is going on at our club. There really needs to be a clear-out.