Win over tame Terriers unlikely to nudge opinion on Allardyce

By Lyndon Lloyd 29/04/2018 53comments  |  Jump to last

We’ll never know whether the 4-0 win over West Ham that David Unsworth oversaw as the final act of his spell as interim manager last autumn could have been the platform from which he could have built a steady run of form that would have eased Everton’s relegation concerns or, like the win over Watford that preceded it, it would have been followed more worrying results.

Had he been afforded the next game against Huddersfield at Goodison Park to see if he could deliver another three points, it’s possible that a period of stability might have ensued that would have allowed him to continue at the helm for the rest of the season.

Farhad Moshiri and the Blues’ board clearly felt following the defeats to Atalanta and Southampton that the situation was dire enough to go back to Sam Allardyce and offering him what he wanted and the decision had already been made by the time that game against the Hammers kicked off. To give the West Midlander his due, he fulfilled the brief as expected, with few frills.

The impression at the time was that it was only meant to be a short-term appointment, one that was unpalatable to most of the fans but necessary to get through to May with Premier League safety assured. Allardyce may have another year to run on his deal but it still feels like there is a decision to be made very soon over whether or not he should get to serve it out.

Hence the media speculation over the current manager’s future as Everton prepared for their third to last game of the campaign and Allardyce facing questions over the nature of his meeting with Moshiri in London last Thursday. Allardyce may have been searching for clarity over his position but it’s been evident among what seems to be a majority of Evertonians for a while now. There is no love for the 63-year-old one time England boss and never will be given that he was treated to more chants calling for his ouster even when the Blues were comfortably ahead.

Allardyce has been in this situation before, of course, at Newcastle and West Ham, both clubs with demanding fans who expect a certain way of playing which was not forthcoming under his stewardship. By admitting that, “I can’t honestly do more than I’ve been doing,” to win over supporters he is effectively writing his own P45.

Because if, for example, a 1-0 win over Newcastle at home with a single shot on target, two Merseyside derby performances and home matches against the Manchester clubs almost entirely devoid of attacking intent, and a complete lack of enterprise and adventure at the likes of bottom-dwelling West Brom and Bournemouth at the tail end of 2017 represent the limits of what he can produce by way of a “trial” for the Everton job on a long-term basis, he has fallen well short of this club’s standards.

The unfortunate fact for Allardyce is that we knew what we were getting when we hired him — a Premier League journeyman renowned for righting “listing ships” but who has never won anything in the game as a manager and isn’t ever likely to. He has done his job in terms of stabilising Everton and guiding the club clear of relegation danger but he hasn’t done anything to convince skeptical supporters that he has the ability to take Everton forward next season. The feeling is that, at most, he would oversee another season of thrills-free mediocrity with little chance of challenging the top six.

A 2-0 victory at Huddersfield, the same opposition and scoreline that began Allardyce’s reign back in November, doesn’t change anything in that regard even if it felt like a routine victory over bottom-half opposition. In their quest for a result that would move them further away from the relegation zone, the Terriers controlled most of the possession but were desperately poor in their execution.

Apart from a tame shot by Steve Mounie that Jordan Pickford gathered early on and a better opening that Rajiv van La Parra swept over the bar from 15 yards out, they had little to show for their efforts and the Blues’ defence was largely untroubled.

Everton, meanwhile, carried much of their threat on the counter-attack, trying to capitalise on their hosts’ need to get forward. When they did try and work the ball forward themselves there were the occasional patterns of neat play but, in the first period especially, moves routinely broke down in the final third with an untidy pass or overhit ball.

Cenk Tosun was industrious, Theo Walcott alert and threatening with his pace, and Nikola Vlasic, a surprise inclusion at the expense of Yannick Bolasie, was lively even if his touch betrayed understandable rustiness and he looked off the pace at times, the consequence of too many weeks sitting idly on the sidelines our out of the squad altogether.

As has so often been the case this season, much of the onus for knitting things together and pushing Everton forward fell to Wayne Rooney but he was, frankly, atrocious, once more a baffling source of embarrassingly mis-placed passes from a player so experienced and accomplished. It was no surprise that he was substituted once more before an hour had elapsed.

The Blues’ first shot on target wouldn’t arrive until six minutes before half time but it was a rapier-like move that began with Theo Walcott picking up an errant pass out of the Huddersfield defence in his own half and ended with Tosun firing home his first goal in five matches.

The former Arsenal man fed the Turk with a quick pass between two defenders and he single-mindedly took the ball just inside the area before steering an impressive low shot across Jonas Lossl and inside the far post.

Coming completely against the run of play, it was rough on David Wagner’s side but it was illustrative of the quality that exists in the Everton team but which hasn’t always been harnessed under Allardyce.

With the cushion of the goal, the Blues improved after the interval and Vlasic had the first sight of goal almost immediately after Walcott’s driving run but he fired his low shot down Lossl’s throat.

Seamus Coleman then had two chances to double the lead: first, when he beat the offside trap from Leighton Baines’s free kick but shot meekly at the goalkeeper and then when Vlasic back-heeled smartly to meet the Irishman’s run behind him on the overlap but Lossl made a good save with his leg.

Huddersfield were making errors all over the place as the half progressed but Everton failed to punish them with two or three promising openings on the break going begging. The Terriers were also finding it difficult to create genuine chances of their own but they spurned a good opportunity in the 65th minute when Van La Parra picked out Alex Pritchard but he mis-kicked badly from a central position.

And Everton then made the game safe with 13 minutes left following persistent work by Oumar Niasse down the right flank that ended with him floating a cross to the back side of the area to Baines. His one-touch lay-off found Idrissa Gueye with time and space to line up a shot that he buried with a crisp shot from 20 yards out.

Christopher Schindler had one chance with what would have been a free header with six minutes of the 90 to go but he missed a cross from the right completely while Scott Malone saw an injury time effort deflect wide but it was too little too late for the home side.

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Phillip Warrington
1 Posted 29/04/2018 at 08:08:44
If Allardyce is not responsible for the way Everton can't pass to another teammate, then who is? Christ, it was like watching one team pick up the wayward pass only to give it straight back!

A good strike from Tosun but rarely when he was clear and in space could we find him. The 2nd goal was a miss-cross from Niasse that, thanks to Baines making the effort to support the strikers, found him.

Pickford rarely finds an Everton player when he kicks long; he just seemed to be kicking long as if to relieve pressure but the ball was just coming straight back. Walcott, except for a couple of goals since his arrival, loses and gives away the ball too often – I can see why Arsenal were willing to let him go.

There lay the problems: all the players Everton have bought except for Tosun and Vlasic, were at a stage in their careers where they weren't getting game time at their previous teams.

Christopher Timmins
2 Posted 29/04/2018 at 08:48:39
Lyndon, I like you wish to see a change of manager during the summer, however, given what the current manager faced when he walked through the doors of Goodison Park last autumn and where we will now finish up in 2 games time he deserves a bit more respect than he is currently receiving. He has done his job!

All anger should be directed towards the Board!

Ian Hollingworth
3 Posted 29/04/2018 at 09:04:54
Christopher @2 you are correct that the board is where our problems lie as whatever we think of Allardyce we have bigger problems that need resolving.
That said Sam is not the man.
Sandra Bowen
4 Posted 29/04/2018 at 09:20:51
A good read and accurate summary as usual Lyndon. You really are a very good writer, I enjoy and agree with pretty much everything you post on here putting all mainstream journalists to shame with your understanding and accuracy of whatever topic you choose to write about.

As for yesterday, well that was actually a decent away performance and there really aren't too many things to take issue with regards to fat Sam. Substitutions all worked, solid defensively and looked a threat on the counter.

Agreed completely on Rooney, he really has been totally dire in recent weeks and whilst I was one who welcomed him back, he needs to be either shipped out or used from the bench. I liked Vlasic, looks like he appreciates the bail and wants to protect it and generally makes the right decision, def a player in there and I'd like to see more of him. The continued improvement in form of Schneiderlin is very welcome, no surprise to me as the return of both first choice full backs give him and the team such a better balance and a permanent outlet.

There's still a very solid base of good players at the club for a new manager to work with and build upon. Don't expect miracles with a new coach but we should still be an attractive job for many as even with this current squad, we are, or at least should be better than the rest of the other 14 teams.

Dennis Stevens
5 Posted 29/04/2018 at 09:48:04
Allardyce had lost the respect of most football supporters nationally long before he was even linked to the Everton job. Since his arrival he has done roughly what was expected, but nothing that would gain him any respect from Evertonians, imo. Indeed, many of his utterances have only had the opposite effect.

However, it is true that any anger should be directed at the Board. They are on the bridge of this moribund ship, seemingly devoid of the charts to guide them to their chosen destination - if they have even identified one. Allardyce is merely the pilot, & it's time to drop him.

John Harrop
6 Posted 29/04/2018 at 09:55:28
After Garth Crooks intervention in the Allardyce debate, we now have Alan Shearer coming to the defence of the 'miffed' Everton manager, claiming that he's carried out his task, and more. No Shearer, he's delivered on his assignment. That's it; no more and no less.
Johnny Rainford
7 Posted 29/04/2018 at 10:21:34
One or two fans calling the Radio Merseyside phone in after the game saying the same thing and Ronnie Goodlass was getting a bit heated. The issue is simple. Some sections of the support refuse to show gratitude or respect for what he has done. I think without overdoing it, let's be reasonable, the guy does at least deserve the gratitude he seems to be craving. In October I didn't see anybody else stepping forward to get us out of the shit. It's a bit embarrassing tbh.
Dave Williams
8 Posted 29/04/2018 at 10:27:00
I would like to think that the Allardyce debate will be resolved over the coming week's and this site would go back to commenting on event's that don't end up being a Allardyce slagging off feast, but I can't see it...

But, my two pennies worth is can we afford to get rid of him, don't think the money pit is bottomless... Seem to be paying more for ex manager's now than we where on player's three years ago .

Great result yesterday, and hopefully it'll carry on over the next two game's, and then into the start of next season, a bit like Leicester a few season's back...

Tony Everan
9 Posted 29/04/2018 at 10:38:43
He definitely deserves gratitude and respect from Everton supporters. He has done the job he was asked to do with distinction.

Everybody would have taken 8th position after the Southampton away match.

Now that he has done his job the question must be “Is he the right man to take us forward for the next 3 seasons +?”

Sam may think it is harsh, but he isn't really what we need going forward. We need to have something more . A winner, someone who with a bit of quality recruitment and timely introductions of our youth can move us onto the next stage.

Sam is mid 60s, been in the game a long time and specialised in fire fighting and managing low /mid table clubs.

He has his limitations, he has never won anything after all these years. He has earned his spurs generally playing middle of the park elbow football. Is that what we want to watch for the next 3 seasons?

It's time for the club to take the plunge, say thank you and good bye.

Lawrence Green
10 Posted 29/04/2018 at 10:42:14
My favourite quote of the day from Paul Doyle in the Guardian:

"There was not much to love or fear about the visitors early on. Everton had a lot of the ball but advanced with the joy and pizzazz of a chain gang. One could understand why Evertonians complain that watching their team can feel like serving a sentence.

John Daley
11 Posted 29/04/2018 at 10:48:46
"we now have Alan Shearer coming to the defence of the 'miffed' Everton manager"

Strange how Shearer wasn't so quick to offer public support when fans of his 'beloved' Newcastle were calling for Allardyce's head and he was widely believed to be the man waiting in the wings to take over, turning up week after week to wave from his executive box but never saying a word to quell the speculation.

Phil Walling
12 Posted 29/04/2018 at 10:54:01
Can we afford to get rid of him,Dave ? With thick end of £130M coming the Club's way via placemoney, I really think we can.

The irony of the situation is that this hated manager has orchestrated the garnering of that treasure chest by his efforts whilst in charge.

Funny game, football !

Tom Dodds
13 Posted 29/04/2018 at 11:07:40
I have read now,(as I so often do) more or less every single article/letter(s) on this, and to a fair degree the same on other fan sites as well.

My take on the situation is a simple one,in that whereas I agree entirely with the tactical/personal and anylitical debates over SA,(and I do think they are spot-bloody-well on),I still find as with so many beefs over our Club,that fans are still mostly throwin' stones at the monkey(s) and not the organ grinders.

On saying that though I suppose after 23 years of abject financialy injected failure we are where we are.

I only wish the "Collective" venom and vitriol on these sites,and nay (!) even the threat of 'organised protests'
plus of course the recent steady stream of conscice editorial comments that have flowed out of the volcano of scorn for the present situation(s)been used more abundantly in the past,against the precurser of ALL of our present shit,namely our hopefully to be ousted Chairman Mr.William Kenwright.

On another note,i, like so many others have renewed my season ticket hoping for finally a path/track that may lead us down a Blue bricked road.
There will be no ITK's forecasting that one I bet !

Dennis Stevens
14 Posted 29/04/2018 at 11:07:42
I suppose in that sense you could claim that Allardyce has really earned his pay-off by moving us a few places up the table, Phil! I'd give him his wheelbarrow full of cash as soon as the banks open tomorrow & offer to wheel it through the streets for him too.
Steve Murphy
15 Posted 29/04/2018 at 11:59:06
Everton haven't really played good football for a while. Certainly last season they weren't much (apart from the Man City game).

At the start of this season, Everton were absolutely shocking. Definites for relegation. We were not just getting beat, but often we capitulated. Several games saw us ship multiple goals – shambolic. The Board had put their money in but, for various reasons, the players they had invested in were struggling, and the 25-goal-a-season man had left.

For over a month, no-one stepped forward. Unsworth to his credit did but was out of his depth. His later games saw a 5-1 home defeat against Atalanta and 4-1 away defeat against a team that remain in the bottom three.

So we got Allardyce. He stepped up, did a job, steadied the ship, and turned the players we had into a unit. Is it attractive? - no! But no-one can work miracles in the 22 or so games he's had.

The sad thing about Evertonians is they don't get behind their team like many other clubs. They are happy to join in pitching stones at their own that just makes us a laughing stock. ‘Supporter' is someone who supports their team. We are worse than the opposition!

Nicholas Ryan
16 Posted 29/04/2018 at 12:51:52
As to the Allardyce argument, there is a piece on this website, headed: "Everton must change, to earn some love". Please, read it, as it is absolutely spot-on.
Jack Convery
17 Posted 29/04/2018 at 13:12:32
Our loyalty which is totally taken for granted needs to develop some balls. I reckon the walk out on 78 at the Southampton game is spot on. Fan power we must use it. No more boring, safety first crap at EFC. He must go and please let BK go with him. Try and get Dein to Goodison or someone of his calibre as its desperately needed. We are a ship that has just missed hitting a jagged reef. However the ship is still unseaworthy and a sudden gust will drive us back towards it pronto. Time for leadership cool heads and a coming together of Captain, officers and crew. PLEASE FFS !
Liam Reilly
19 Posted 29/04/2018 at 14:08:22
Excerpt from the Guardian:

"Everton went into the weekend 19th out of the 20 clubs in the Premier League when it comes to the number of shots they have managed on Allardyce's watch, 19th in terms of efforts on target, 19th in chances created and 19th for attempted dribbles."

There's no spin that can make that football look or sound good. It's soul-destroying and poor to watch.

That said; there's no way Moshiri will sack him before the season is out and have to either promote Unsworth again or pay another manager (4th in one season) to take the reigns. I suspect he'll be told to go quietly the week after the season ends.

Dave Evans
21 Posted 29/04/2018 at 18:53:17
Johnny Rainford @7 Spot on.

I'm sure many fans who don't want Allardyce here next season are embarrassed at the 'spawn of the devil' mob vitriol that has been apparent among some fans recently. He has done what he is good at doing. He focuses on details, gets the team playing tightly, motivated and playing the percentages.

Hopefully we can get a manager who can take things from here. One who matches more fans aspirations. But the big question is who? The silence is tumbleweed-like from many who spit the bile.

Tony Abrahams
22 Posted 29/04/2018 at 18:57:50
Good spot John, but I think Shearer would actually make more sense if he just sat in the studio waving his hand every week!
Dave Evans
23 Posted 29/04/2018 at 19:30:55
Nicholas Ryan @ 16
Thanks to the pointer to the article. Made me re-evaluate . A lot of truth in it.
Andy Crooks
24 Posted 29/04/2018 at 22:22:05
Steve,15, I disagree. A supporter, in my view, is someone who wants the best for their club. I think it is sheep you are thinking of. Liverpool supporters have not tolerated shite and they did not become a laughing stock.

We are a laughing stock because we have Evertonians who think that Allardyce is not contemptable.

Tony Marsh
25 Posted 29/04/2018 at 22:46:01
Just love the way the editor and large amounts of fans credit Unsworth with the 4-0 win over West Ham even though Allardyce was officially the Everton manager on the day of the game. If Allardyce had not come in when he did I am pretty sure we would've lost the game in question as Unsworth was lost in all the games proceeding it.

I guarantee you all another thing also. If West Ham had beaten us on that night in question versus West Ham the same editor and the same fans would be blaming Sam Allardyce for the loss. It really is pathetic, the barrel scraping for sly digs at Allardyce that is going on right now. Allardyce is no Guardiola but he has helped the club away from a relegation dogfight.

Who gives a rat's arse if it hasn't been pretty? It has been effective enough. You all suffered 11 years of Moyes without this much whining.

Wether you like it or not, the 4-0 win over West Ham is on the CV of Sam Allardyce. If any of you think Unsworth was worth sticking with back in November I fear for this club I really do.

Michael Kenrick
26 Posted 30/04/2018 at 02:11:41
Ah, Tony (#25) – you're becoming more emboldened with your nonsense, I see, following your anointed one's back-to-back wins against fellow also-rans.

Now, you have no shame in claiming the 4-0 West Ham win for him, even though, as we reported on the night:

"David Unsworth is to take charge of this evening's match against West Ham United, his last task in charge of first-team affairs before Allardyce takes over." — Emphasis added, as they say, in case you are having trouble digesting this one. I can't make it any clearer.

Why would you change the narrative now, five months down the road? Do you think we are so simple-minded that we have forgotten? Or are you as desperate as your hero is to bend the truth in an attempt to bamboozle those who can see very clearly what he is doing to this club?

And by the by... for the record, I got into a lot of trouble with the Site WebMaster for my too vehement disparaging of Our Former Manager (Moyes) long before the snake fooled everyone in his final traitorous season with us.

Heck, you've suddenly become such an advocate of pragmatism — maybe you were one of his strongest supporters back then?

David Barks
27 Posted 30/04/2018 at 02:42:37
I remember the days when Tony Marsh labeled so many on here as Moyes apologists. It's amazing to see him be the one to now lecture us all as to the greatness of Sam Allardyce.

It truely is a remarkable evolution, for someone who would constantly call out supporters for supporting “Dour Davie” and say how horrible the football was, that he wouldn't win ya trophies, to now come on here and constantly sing the praises of Allardyce and his zombie football. Wow, we beat Huddersfield, what an accomplishment. Surely he should be appointed on a five year contract in your eyes.

Go on, as you lecture us for simply stating the obvious in regard to how horrible the football is, be honest and say whether you want Allardyce to be signed to an extension. Surely you don't believe it good practice to leave the man to enter next season with only one year on his contract. He must be backed in your eyes, correct? Sam Allardyce, the man to restore Everton to glory, so says Tony Marsh. I fear for your emotional well being when the club finally sends the man out to pasture.

Peter Gorman
28 Posted 30/04/2018 at 03:03:34
"If West Ham had beaten us on that night in question the same editor and the same fans would be blaming Sam Allardyce for the loss."

A hypothetical statement which I'll happily dismiss as groundless bollocks.

Chad Schofield
29 Posted 30/04/2018 at 03:04:22
Here's the article referenced at #16 and #23... it's really good, or pathetic, depending on you Tony Marsh-otmeter:
Jim Harrison
30 Posted 30/04/2018 at 03:05:33
For me, all this stuff about Sam boils down to this: Can we get a better manager than Sam Allardyce at Everton Football Club?

Ask that question back when he was appointed and the answer would have been different. Not because the club was any different but because of the stage of the season and who was available. Perhaps we could have made a better appointment back then? Given that he has achieved the brief of turning around the form in relation to results I think his appointment can be viewed as a reasonable decision given the availability of suitable alternatives.

There is a whole back-story that of course we all know about, the bodged transfers, Koeman losing it .but those were symptoms, sometimes the medicine doesn't taste nice but you still need to take it

As some posters have said, we should be grateful in some way to Sam for his efforts. As easy as it is for us to come on to the forums and bash what he has done or what he has said the job of a football manager isn't without its stresses and evidently isn't child's play. In recent seasons we have seen Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers, Van Gaal, Conte and Raneri all fall from lofty positions. These are guys with undoubted pedigree and shows it's not just child's play. He took over a club in a bad patch and did what was required. Fair enough.

What he doesn't do for me is give the spoon full of sugar. His interviews and pressers are filled with self promoting twaddle. He dresses pragmatic performances up as dominant displays, and the fans are not stupid.

Back to the question, and at this point you would have to say yes, the club could appoint a better candidate for the job. Its the end of the season and there are coaches currently without jobs who could fit the bill and the potential to prise a manager away from a role with another club is greater when not during the earlier stages of a season. The club is also 8th now, not 19th!! (Thanks, Sam!)

And as much as people say that the squad isn't good enough, its perfectly good enough to have at least matched last years league position. Sam has proved that. Under his tenure we are 6th in league form I believe? Making the step to challenge the top 6 would have always required more money and signings than what was spent over the past 2 years. I very much doubt that Moshiri thought at the beginning of this season that we would be troubling City at the top without having a primary striker!!

In summary, pay him off his last years salary, see it as a bonus. He has come in and done his bail out job, well done him. But now we need a different coach to kick us on. The football has to improve. Likely we will finish 6th or 7th again nest season, there is no reason we cannot do so by at least having some decent performances!!

John Pierce
31 Posted 30/04/2018 at 04:10:28
Modern, progressive coaches find a way to win and play with adventure, sure from time to time that's to be balanced.

Allardyce patently cannot do both, we will have go through a number of coaches until one can match those demands.

Really is time the board, media and fans stop trying to turn back the sea with dated autocratic managers at best stand still.

Ernie Baywood
32 Posted 30/04/2018 at 05:31:33
If I'm honest I don't really care about being adventurous for the sake of it. If we could find a way of winning every game 1-0 I'd be ecstatic.

But I do believe you have to play some football to move into the top 5 or 6.

I don't dislike shit football because it's not entertaining. I dislike it because it doesn't get you beyond about, erm, 8th. And yes, it's not particularly entertaining either. Finishing mid table and being a cup irrelevance each year is bad enough without the games being dull too.

What are we looking forward to?

Brian Porter
33 Posted 30/04/2018 at 06:21:23
Allardyce's latest pronouncement that the players "can't get any fitter" really tells us a lot about his standards. Compared with virtually every other team in the league our players still look unfit and unable to sustain 90 minutes of fast paced Premier league football.

So if our manager is saying this is as fit as he can get them, then surely that in itself is admitting he can't improve their performance levels any further. As we expect our team to progress incrementally year on year, that in itself is reason enough to dispense with the current incumbent and bring in a coach who can lift our players' fitness levels to a standard that will allow them to challenge the clubs placed above us in the league.

His words condemn him and us to never ending mediocrity. Do we want more? Yes, Sam, we do! 9

Dermot Byrne
34 Posted 30/04/2018 at 07:15:38
David #27: I can understand the argument put forward by Tony Marsh. It is pragmatic in the extreme, seems to have no optimism or dream to it but not totally illogical.

I don't have the interest to see conflicts between the Marsh position now compared to the past. But I am interested how he seems to have a disproportionate number of references in posts (inc. this one) on TW.

I think the reason is how he works on TW. He has a quick think, adopts a position, criticises those with other views and stubbornly sticks to his position regardless of any new emerging evidence such as SA sticking to football that was still dour & unexperimental after safety was secured

This enables him to adopt a wise oracle all on his own persona and as more people disagree, so he will use phrases like "I guarantee you all..." or "If any of you think..." as above.

I love the smell of burning martyr!

Tony Marsh
35 Posted 30/04/2018 at 09:19:45
David Barks & Co.

Like it of not Sm Allardyce has earned a crack at next season.This squad is not his but our form since Sam took over is top 6 form. Why should Allardyce be treated like a scabby dog because the football isn't wonderous??.

Can you magine how bad it would of been last season under Hollywood Ron without the Lukaku goals.Two away wins all of last season has already been surpassed by Sam Allardyce!!! Please all you football experts out there enlighten me as to when the football we last played was scintillating edge of your seat stuff.

Take the Romalu Lukaku goals away from the last 3 seasons before Sam Allardyce and it would of been absolutely shite watching Everton. You all seem to think we were like Man City before the arrival of Allardyce. We have been awfull to watch for years. Some of the capitulations last season were as bad as anything under Allardyce yet we're was the outpouring of venom then?

In an Ideal world one the dellusional names being bandied about would be manager but the truth is no one wanted he job last year.If Motes was allowed 12 years in charge surely a man who saved us from relegation should be afforded 12 months.It the decent thing to do isn't it.?
By the way Sam Allardyce has never been charged with or banned for any criminal offences.

Mal van Schaick
37 Posted 30/04/2018 at 10:29:28
If it is results business, then Allardyce has done what he was brought in to do. The Style of the results is a different matter. We've all seen how the board works. They stuck with Moyes and one up front for years, and we're happy to be top 10. So, don't hold your breath on any managerial change just yet. It may be that Allardyce will walk on the resentment of the fans and deflect the issue away from the board.
Tony Marsh
38 Posted 30/04/2018 at 10:32:50
David Barks & Co.

Like it or not, Sam Allardyce has earned a crack at next season. This squad is not his but our form since Sam took over is top 6 form. Why should Allardyce be treated like a scabby dog because the football isn't wonderous??

Can you magine how bad it would've been last season under Hollywood Ron without the Lukaku goals? Two away wins all of last season has already been surpassed by Sam Allardyce!!! Please all you football experts out there, enlighten me as to when the football we last played was scintillating edge-of-your-seat stuff.

Take the Romalu Lukaku goals away from the last 3 seasons before Sam Allardyce and it would've been absolutely shite watching Everton. You all seem to think we were like Man City before the arrival of Allardyce. We have been awful to watch for years. Some of the capitulations last season were as bad as anything under Allardyce yet where was the outpouring of venom then?

In an Ideal world, one of the delusional names being bandied about would be manager but the truth is no-one wanted the job last year. If Moyes was allowed 11 years in charge surely a man who saved us from relegation should be afforded another 12 months. It is the decent thing to do isn't it?
By the way, Sam Allardyce has never been charged with or banned for any criminal offences.

Ray Jacques
39 Posted 30/04/2018 at 13:56:17
Why do some posters dismiss the win at Huddersfield as expected. This team has just gone almost 12 months without an away win anywhere in the league. Any away win is a bonus.

I would like Brendan Rodgers as manager. He knows the league, his football style is entertaining and I think he has a point to prove. His links to the RS would soon be forgotten if he delivers the goods.

David Currie
40 Posted 30/04/2018 at 15:34:26
Tony 38, you make some good points but going forward Sam's style of football is boring and he does not have a go at winning games against the top 6 teams. We would be better getting Eddie Howe who with better players and money would get us believing we can attack and try to beat the better teams. His philosophy is to play attractive and play on the front foot. He can improve our young players and given time I think he would do well.
Tony Marsh
41 Posted 30/04/2018 at 16:00:22
David @40
One of the reasons Howe didn't settle at Burnley was his missus hated it up North. No chance Eddie is leaving the South coast again mate. If Dyche wants his stab at Europe who is there to take over and risk there reputation @ Fraggle Rock.??

Allardyce is by no means the Ideal manager but at this present moment in time I can't see anyone better to take over. I agree the football has been shocking under Sam but we aren't an elite club. We are a survival club with a board run by Muppets.

Some fans on here and out there are not living in the real world. Still quoting School of Science and Nil Satis nonesense which to me is a by gone era. As much relevance these days as the British Empire.

Johnny Rainford
42 Posted 30/04/2018 at 21:33:49
Obviously can't speak for anyone else but I'm a little jaded with our managerial merry-go-round and some of us seem to want SA out for no other good reason that they simply don't like the fella. Sixth best form team in 2018...? . don't let the facts get in the way! Is this seriously what we've become!?
Brian Williams
43 Posted 30/04/2018 at 21:42:29
.......And some of us want him out because the football his teams play is complete and utter shite and we want better for Everton. Don't you?
Johnny Rainford
44 Posted 30/04/2018 at 21:47:30
Brian... 6 months ago mate I just wanted a win and stuff the way it was achieved.
Dogs of war wasn't pretty either but I never heard anyone complain about It back then because it kept us up and yielded a trophy.
Peter Gorman
45 Posted 30/04/2018 at 21:53:39
Tony, if you are using the turgid shite served up by Koeman as a defence for the turgid shite served up by Allardyce then you are definitely barking up the wrong tree or just weren't paying any attention to the disdain for Koeman that positively dripped from these pages.

As fans on TW and at large are saying to the point of tedium; they want more than turgid shite. Winning and entertainment being top of the list. Muppets the board may be but they are somewhat rich muppets. You say you can't see anyone better but I'm sure even Mrs Howe would stop whipping her husband for the chance to earn the kind of money Big Sam simply isn't at this 'survival club'.

Brian Williams
46 Posted 30/04/2018 at 22:03:13
Johnny you just CAN'T compare this seasons football with the dogs of war side.
Johnny Rainford
47 Posted 01/05/2018 at 07:57:37
This is true Brian. We secured safety alot earlier this season.

What do I know mate I'm just a long suffering supporter and I keep hearing calls for us to sack our third manager in as many seasons. Jeezus we've become an absolute joke.

If allardyce is sacked were on our 4th manager in 4 seasons.

No wonder nobody wanted to step forward in October.

Brian Williams
48 Posted 01/05/2018 at 08:18:30
I feel your pain Johnny mate! We all do I reckon.
Johnny Rainford
49 Posted 01/05/2018 at 08:30:11
Onwards and upwards Brian. Have a good day fella.



Kim Vivian
50 Posted 01/05/2018 at 16:04:56
It's a fact that getting us above 10th and into 8th or 9th place will cover Sam's payoff so one can say he has earned it and to all intents and purposes it will cost us nowt.
If we can now get Silva in for nothing, I'd say job well done.
Dennis Stevens
51 Posted 01/05/2018 at 16:10:32
Absotively, Kim! Not sure Silva would top my list but his appointment would be a huge relief after suffering recent performances under Allardyce.
Brian Williams
52 Posted 01/05/2018 at 16:14:32
Jesus, now Allardyce is shortlisted for manager of the month. Someone really IS taking the piss.
Jay Harris
53 Posted 01/05/2018 at 16:21:34
I think thats just his pals in the media Brian. I would expect Pep or Darren Moore to get it.
Brian Williams
55 Posted 01/05/2018 at 16:39:42
It does seem like SOMEBODY just has it in for Everton and it's supporters though doesn't it Jay?
That gobshite Durham on Talksport is milking it and asking "Have Everton supporters got it wrong?"
Pete Clarke
56 Posted 01/05/2018 at 17:11:05
Let's put it another way then. If we had lost against the Hammers, then I am sure Allardyce would not have mentioned going into the dressing room before the game, would he??

Allardyce needs no thanking as he is being massively overpaid. He's getting some results which matters most I suppose but fuck, it's hard to watch.

The board are the people letting us down because having Allardyce at the club is hard enough given his background in the sport but the thought of him being here next season is just painful.

He simply is not for this club whether he gets results or not. It would take a few away wins at the likes of Anfield, Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge to win us over and we are all more likely to win the lottery than that happening.

We should appoint a new manager and put Sam on maintenance duties at Finch Farm or somewhere with the view that if it goes tits up he will be brought back in. That's not sa bad compromise!

Keith Harrison
57 Posted 01/05/2018 at 17:14:00
4-4-2 report:-

Depressed supporters

Manchester City fans are revelling in Premier League title glory, Wolves supporters are relishing a return to the top flight and the Accrington Stanley faithful are in raptures after watching their team secure a place in the third tier for the first time.

Following these clubs is an absolute joy at the minute, so perhaps their supporters should spare a thought for the fans whose teams have brought them nothing but misery this season…

10. Everton

Everton fans are well aware that they haven't snagged silverware in more than two decades. So, when Iranian businessman Farhad Moshiri purchased a majority stake in the club in 2016, nobody could blame them for feeling a collective pang of optimism. Finally, the blue half of Merseyside was equipped with the resources to compete with big-spending neighbours Liverpool.

Fast-forward two years and it's all gone horribly wrong. Ronald Koeman paid the price for poor recruitment with his sacking in October 2017, a team largely comprised of failed signings is chasing shadows across the Goodison pitch, and a weather-beaten Sam Allardyce sits on the throne of an empire in turmoil.

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