Schneiderlin rejects talk of 'downing tools' at Finch Farm

Klaassen is not having a good time of it but he should come good. Be patient with him. If Johan Cruyff rates him as highly as he did, then who are we mere mortals to argue?

The only thing he's committed to, is the trappings of being of a professional footballer. I have only ever seen him have a decent game once, when we beat Man. City 4-0.

When you look at young Beni, in the games he has played the effort and commitment is in abundance.

It wouldn't bother me if neither him, or Mirallas ever turned out again, let the likes of Beni show what is expected, and is genuinely committed to the Everton cause.

He has made alot of mistakes, shirked challenges, passed poorly and had poor discipline. I think hes been comfortably our worst player this season and that is saying something!

I think he was very good in the next few games after that, particularly when it was him and Davies in the middle and Gueye was away (ANC) or on the bench.

Schneiderlin began the preseason matches a few gears below where he should have been playing.

I expected a marked improvement as the season began. It's just not happened for him.

He's looked very disinterested to be fair. Seems to have lost any edge he had which has reflected in his poor tackling, slow pressing and non existent tracking of runners.

In that time he's taken £100,000s with little return to the club and fans. He needs to just get a grip and give something back.

Its a joke and it is embarrassing as well as a waste of money. This also should apply to Spurs and Arsenal etc. We should only purchase players who are found by our scouts our or decent in form talented players. No more Premier League cast offs that can't get a game elsewhere. The other big club's don't buy rejects from competitor's so why should we.. Let's start acting like the big club we aspire to be.

What has disappointed me the most is that he is a real key player for the side, especially with Barry gone. Gueye and Davies lack Schneiderlin's discipline not to get sucked into the ball. He sits and can provide a defensive focal point for others to buzz off. Maybe someone will argue it's because he's too lazy to run.

Their first goal, when Keane misses the header, we have 3 central midfielders and all have gone forwards, and so we are left with a 3v2. Kenney does what he has to and goes across leaving his man unmarked. If Schneiderlin had been playing, and playing as well as last season, he would have been sat just ahead of Keane, he should not have gone forward, and he then drops and makes that 3v2 a 3v3, and that goal could have been prevented.

His passing has been very, very poor this season. But yesterday there was passes getting smashed to little lookman at 7 feet in the air and he was stood on the touchline. Schneiderlin of last season was our best passer, after Barry, and should (but hasn't been) dictating play from the back and launching attacks. Due to how crap he has been, and how limited gueye is at getting the ball forwards, we've been the slowest back to front team in the league.

Replacing Schneiderlin will become a key thing for me in the window. Davies could mature into the role, but it's not a role for an 18 year old, and Davies needs to learn to develop his range and quality of passing, because it's a long way short at the moment. Of course he played a cracking ball through for Lookman yesterday. which is why I say he could mature into it. He's got a good eye, he's always played just in front of the back four, and he's got all the other attributes, it's just the consistency of his passing letting him down.

I have no idea what happened to that player... he never turned up for preseason this year. I guess it's because he got married in June.

The guy wearing his shirt has been timid on the ball and especially in the challenge, bottling tackles that have cost us two goals. And the red was idiocy.

"Woeful" is not too strong a word for what he's been this season, but I haven't yet forgotten what he's capable of.

Schneiderlin was called a "disgrace" live on air by Jenas after the Lyon game, quite rightly. His lack of discipline has been a real problem. Barry knew when to foul tactically, MS is just reckless and brainless. He could quite easily have walked more than twice this season. Is this acceptable for our second highest earner? His marking and pathetic attempts at tracking his man have cost us goals not just this season but last season as well. He has not looked anything like a 25m player since he signed, you can count on one hand his decent games for us.

I personally think both Schneids and Klassen are quality footballers who are struggling along with the rest of the club right now. I wouldn't write either of them off yet.

As for Mirallas - I really thought that he and Barkley would pair for many, many Everton goals together. Shows what I know.

And Klaassen arrived I would say with better credentials. We just haven't seen the evidence yet.

1 Lukaku and 75 Million later we have Keane, Klassen, Sigurdssson and Sandro and Rooney.

Sell Stones and use the money to improve the team. 50 Million later we have Williams and Schneiderlin.

Anyone really still want to sell Barkley?

Fran 35, I never wanted Barkley sold. But it's been a long time since we've seen him, and I hope he has the desire and skill to come back and meet the very high expectations of him that we held for a very long time.

BTW - has anyone heard from Barkley lately? Do we think he's still hurt? Or is he just holding out to see who the next manager will be before he decides whether to re-sign or move along? That aborted signing at the end of the last transfer window was WEIRD.

I said to my lad who was sat alongside me, "Did you see them giggling to each other?" My boy, seeing the same childish behaviour, said "You'd think they'd be disappointed not to be on the pitch."

There stands a tale. I know I sound like a dinosaur but back in the day players would indeed be kicking themselves if they weren't selected and had to warm the bench.

I've always thought that Mirallas flatters to deceive and I don't rate the other one much either. Sell em both as far as I am concerned and good riddance to bad rubbish.

IF schneiderlin had anything about his game he would still be at Manchester United. There midfield is not the greatest but they knew. These players are not going to take pay cuts so there here to stay!

If I was managing I'd of docked them both a week wages and paid for away fans travel to the next game by coach. Or ploughed it into kids hospital

To be honest this sounds like the media trying to cause trouble with a slanted report. think Mirallas is unhappy with no game time and cannot get his form, can see him going in Jan unless a new manager comes in and gets the best out of him.

Schneiderlin? just really poor, doesn't deserve his place at the moment. Its a worry with Davies not at the races, Gana like a loose cannon, McCarthy continually injured, the midfield is a mess.. along with the defence and a light weight forward line..

Who ever comes in needs to get results, win ugly then build.

The legacy of Koeman is poor form, unhappy players and holes you could drive a bus through. We have not got a team, just a bunch of players doing what they think is best.. and some can't hack it or aren't interested. How did we get here??

None of this ever seems to be taken into account where footballers are concerned, due to the nature of 'support' we offer them as supporters of Everton (or any other club).

Am I alone in this line of thinking? Aaron Lennon is a prime example of us not knowing what goes on behind the scenes and making judgments.

Bobby Mallon - I can only assume you were high on crack cocaine when you suggested Schneiderlin alongside Klassen for our midfield have you not been watching us this season?

Sorry i rushed the end of my post and got words mixed up.

The ownership 'enquiry' aside, (another possible penalty ?), we're much better placed financially now. Personally, don't care who we sign the 'right' players from. That said, I'm happy to see our Youth players coming through. "Instant success" ? - not something we Blues are comfortable with ! Hard graft & patience, & shoot for the stars - if ya knows ya St Domingo !

Well said James #53

The kids are the future... They show way more passion and commitment than their supposedly wiser and more experienced team mates. Clearly neither Schneiderlin nor Mirallas are in what could be called "a good place", and I can't see them being nurtured back into happiness and form, unless it's through a change of club.

So, sell both of them in January. We have enough defensive midfielders and wingers...

I don't mean to be rude, but that's very short term thinking, and based on very little foundation.

When players are scouted, they're scouted for a long time, and watched numerous times over many games before an assessment is concluded - to say one player that's played what, 2 Premier League games is somehow 'better' than a player with almost 300 Premier league appearances is just not reality.

Bobby Mallons take on Tom Davies is great. Finally good to see another person not afraid to break trend.

Great point on midfielders too. Do managers see players who don't slide or run like headless chickens as midfielders these days?

Schneiderlin is a very good player who's in a deep trough right now. Will he come out of it, who knows? Maybe under a different manager we will see him at his (Southampton) best again.

He was a decent player at Southampton by all accounts. A friend, a season ticket holder echoed this.

However he was signed by Man U in July 2015 and his career hasn't progressed since.

Is it a drop in form or is this it for him now?

Schneiderlin, Vlasic, even Mirallas, it's never as simple as they don't try hard enough, or don't show the right attitude, and we only get 'so much' information, and rightly so.

What right do we have to pry into the lives of another person simply because they play football for the team we follow? We all do it at times, just some to lesser or greater degrees, but we'll never really know the full story as to why any given player is playing badly, or not playing at all - nor should we decide we have the right to know entirely.

Here's a thought - do professional footballers deliberately play badly, or make mistakes, mistime tackles or get sent off on purpose? I would suggest that never happens.

Perhaps it is something to do with getting married, I know I went downhill when I got married although having said that I am divorced now but don't seem have gone back up again!

May be as simple as he needs an arm around his shoulders and done decent man management.

Prying might be the wrong word, but hopefully you see what I'm getting at.

"I have to restore the truth after some articles in the medias. I was not excluded of the squad due to a lack of commitment during training this was a manager Decision And I was frustrated as I am fully committed in Everton since arriving in 2012 and I can't accept our actual ranking I apologize to the president and owner, my team mates and the manager for not being able to cope at that moment with my frustration."

The have been poor so far but it's been a baptism of fire and hardly the best platform to slowly integrate into new surroundings. The fans have played their part in destroying any confidence they may initially have had.

Have we given up on them? I still hope they may come good, am I being over optimistic?

That performance wasn't great but he was the only player that day to actually beat a man an get 2 shots in.

Paul Holmes spot on about the click. Koeman seen that straight away and tried to change it.

You can see on social media everytime they do a group photo.

What utter tripe you talk! Who's prying? We are just expressing an opinion.

And as for your line "Make mistakes, Mistime tackles, play badly or get sent off on purpose." Well I'd question that last one because it certainly looked to me like Schneiderlin couldn't wait to get off the pitch against Lyon Hence the silly second yellow card.

I know for a fact Ferguson got sent off deliberately while playing for Everton, so believe me – it happens.

There's no room for that at the club. The youngsters need to see Mirallas and this lad hung out to dry for weeks and weeks. Get rid of both in January or the summer.

Vlasic has been at the club 5 minutes and because her brother isn't being selected his sister has been spouting off on social media a little too much.

Vlasic was told to tell her to shut the fuck up I've heard and he took exception to this, so I guess he's being shown who pays his wages!

His sister hungry for fame Is just using her brother in trying to raise her profile and if he doesn't see that he's fucking stupid.

It's his career – right!

Are we run by the Krays now? ... because that rumour is absolute pathetic.

How come Lukaku was never told to keep his dad quiet? And the rest of the footballing world told to keep agents quiet.

If I believed this nonsense I would still be leaving a mince pie and milk out Christmas Eve.

West Ham were training yesterday, dunno if it was just for Moyes to have a photo op or what. I understand we needed some rest after the game on Sunday but we really need to ensure we get fitness levels up.

Who's left at Finch Farm? There should still be a load like Baines, Jagielka, Robles, Schneiderlin, Mirallas and a few others. The latter two have training to make up. I hope we're still doing some proper training sessions with the guys and moving a few of the non-international U23s up to make a full session.

Ronald would be on the golf course in Portugal now, if he was still in charge. I hope Unsworth has the players not good enough for their countries with their noses down and training hard. We have a lot of work to do, and there's no excuse for these players not to be doing it.

I can understand that Vlasic was behind Lookman in the pecking order for wingers, as Unsworth was always going to go with Lookman. For Leicester, Unsworth went with experience in Mirallas and Lennon and Lookman was on the bench to replace Mirallas (he never does 90 mins does he) if the formation had not been ditched. He then went without wingers and kept Lennon and Lookman on the bench ready.

If given another game, I think Unsworth will start Lookman and Lennon against Palace and then it's a choice between Mirallas and Vlasic. If we see Mirallas after his latest antics, then Vlasic is more of an issue, if we see Vlasic, then I would simply put it down to Unsworth's faith in Lookman ahead of him.

I would hope Mirallas is left out of the team, unless he has suddenly bucked his ideas up and is training harder than he has ever done before. Even then, I would be loathe to play him.

The situation we are in, the inexperienced manager needs all the support he can get and social media is rife with non-stop gossip. These people need vetting and kept away from Everton games. Nothing but a virus.

All I want to do is learn more about the game, so sorry if this sounds arrogant but, as an Evertonian that really wants the best for all of us, I feel it's my duty to shut this nonsense up.

If you are referring to me getting out of the house – thankfully I can do that.

I'm not a virus, by the way, I'm an Everton supporter. I'm not insisting you believe anything, but if I was in control of Everton, I would be telling Vlasic's sister to mind her own business on team selection and club matters regarding her brother.

As I said, he's been here 5 minutes. I believe it because it makes total sense to me; I don't think it's absurd at all.

Your comparison to Lukaku's Dad is not at all the same – that's absurd!

Good luck to you in shutting all this nonsense up... start with Moshiri and Co and all the bollocks they come out with.

So it certainly happens. I do not imply that the Schneiderlin sending off was deliberate, but I am sure many of the players don't mind to miss the last two euro league matches now where we are out.

As for vetting fans, bit extreme mate!

As for making stuff up on twitter - I find that twitter has a lot of bullshit written on it. Alarmingly, one of the biggest bullshitters calls himself the President of the United States of America!

It's impossible to confirm a muscle injury. These guys will be on the verge of cramp, or may even have knocks, if they want to come off, they'll have an excuse, without the need to get sent off and pay a fine.

How is Lukaku's dad any different than Blanka Vlasic? Different theme and different gender but still talking out of turn.

Have a look at some of the posts on Schneiderlin and Mirallas. You'll never see a fanbase so committed to things that don't matter or can't be proved. All that energy could go to creating an atmosphere at Goodison.

Steve, I fully admit my composure is thin when I read such nonsense concerning Everton and I seriously never want to fall out with a fellow blue.

I am no Mr Everton and your support is important but to see empty rumours about our club is a piss-take to me and needs stamping out.

Nowhere to hide for the modern footballer.

I just gave it as an example that showed that it happens. I thought it was really weird and unprofessional.

I am sure in all clubs you will have Spanish players socializing in Spanish and Brazilian in Portuguese etc.

Poor Gylfi... no-one else speaks Icelandic!

The difference between Lukaku and Vlasic is night and day... our former striker scored goals so perhaps him and his dad were entitled to a moan now and again. Lukaku always made it clear he wanted Champions League football and was never afraid to say so from the moment he signed with Everton.

As I said, Vlasic has been with us 5 minutes and his sister was spouting off about him not being in the team when he was fit, as if he has been treated badly. He needs to do his talking on the pitch first and foremost.

You say these are empty rumours, but in reality you haven't a clue, have you? Rumours are rumours – some will not be true but some will be... you just have judge yourself what you believe and what you don't.

For instance: do I believe the rumour that Moshiri is at Everton on behalf of his Russian Arsenal buddy? Yes, I do. You might say that's shite but it's what I believe.

In the early years of this century, a lad who sat behind me in the Park End systematically criticised every player from Paul Gerard (in goal), to whoever was wearing the number 11 shirt, which could have been any of the following: Mark Pembridge, Scott Gemill, Nick Barmby etc. I put up with it for a while but finally I lost patience, and turning around I said, "You must be some effin player."

The point I'm trying to make is that some of us don't make allowances for the fact that there could be a hundred reasons why players are not up to scratch, as plainly illustrated in the Aaron Lennon situation.

Even allowing for the fact that the team at that time wasn't the best to wear the "Royal Blue of Everton", I find it a bit rich that people (who at best are decent Sunday League players) can call international footballers 'shite'. I understand their frustration but I don't understand the way they express it. I get just as frustrated but I know that they are (as I stated earlier) not machines.

As a 79-year-old who has been actively supporting Everton since I was 10 years old, I have seen some (not so good) players, but I have always managed to keep my disappointment to an acceptable level. I'm not a Saint by any means but age and experience has mellowed me somewhat.

"Nowhere to hide for the modern footballer"? Our lot have done a decent job of it this season. I just hope whoever is counting to 100 is on 99 and they get out from behind the sofa pdq.

Waste of energy. Unless you're a modern-day ITK guru that is. I think if you still have the energy to start a few songs at Goodison or create an atmosphere, interest in rumours is fine.

So, in your mind, all rumours never become reality? That is a little bit silly, isn't it?

Too many examples of rumours that have been true in all walks of life to even bother!

I would like you to explain by what you say below:

"I think if you still have the energy to start a few songs at Goodison or create an atmosphere, interest in rumours is fine."

I am not foolish enough to believe every rumour doesn't become a reality. It's the ones with no proof I find a waste of energy. The Goodison atmosphere is grim so what I am saying is maybe that energy could be spent at the game.

At the end, I was trying to say if you're someone that loves a rumour but still has the energy to back the team vocally, I suppose that's fine.

I'm nearly 60 and I for one minute don't think footballers are machines but you've missed a point here. Them so-called footballers we've had to suffer down the years have been awful. Now I know that applies to most teams but I'm only bothered about Everton.

So basically what I'm saying is... We pay big money for season tickets, travel, ale money, etc... I think that entitles anyone to blow off a little steam. If you want to sit there like a kitten, feel free.

Me? I like to get a little bit of frustration out – not much... just a little. So please don't criticise others because they only feel the same They just release it differently

"To see empty rumours about our club is a piss-take to me and needs stamping out."

"Sorry if this sounds arrogant but, as an Evertonian that really wants the best for all of us, I feel it's my duty to shut this nonsense up."

I hope you keep us updated on progress, Paul. How do you actually go about stamping out 'empty rumours' on the internet and shutting up social media?

I feel that I am not the only one who has missed the point. Although I no longer attend away fixtures, I too have over the years, spent hard earned money on season tickets, travel, ale [in my case, a bottle of Guinness] etc, and as you describe it, I have, and still do, "let off steam."

Like yourself, I also relieve myself of the frustrations that life throws at me, my world on a match day is 120 yards long and 70 yards wide. I do not criticise fans for showing their displeasure, it's the foul language and venom directed at the players that I find distasteful.

I'll try to explain my stance on this issue as clearly as I can, for example if, [as happened on Sunday with Leighton Baines], a player misses a relatively simple chance, my initial reaction is one of vociferous frustration, but then I think of when, in my younger days I did exactly the same thing, and knowing that he didn't do it on purpose, I regain my composure.

So Andy it's not the displeasure that's shown, that is the issue with me, it's the manner in which it's displayed, I hope you see and respect my point of view, and by all means you must continue to "Let off steam" and remember we're all in this together. All the best.

Our 'old boys' might just about survive under Dyche but Big Sam will have them out of here in a trice if he gets the gig. Life's not always fair, is it?

This thread started about Schneiderlin, and I'm sure it was you who said a while ago that the only reason that Mouriniho let him leave Man Utd, is because he thought his legs had gone, Phil?

There will be plenty with the same theory and plenty I feel that could follow suit. People can do whatever they want and I am not the first to react to something I find unusual.