Silva: I need stability as much as Everton do

My reaction to Moyes as manager – cautious optimism, as something really needed to change.

Martinez – why did we want someone who had just overseen relegation at his previous club?

Koeman – what was all the fuss about? He hadn't don't anything and had more clubs than Tiger Woods.

It is easy to be a nay-sayer and I have no desire to be right but I have a very similar feeling re Silva. For my concerns, see a mixture of the above.

Please may I be wrong.

Now... onto Day 2!

The fact that they have made the contract 3 years in my opinion is telling. Everton is a 5-year project, the first 3 years will be building a competitive side. It's only after 3years that they will move to the next level and be competitively consistent. At the moment, Silva was the only candidate for the job and at that level the only suitable candidate. In 3years, hopefully Everton are at the higher level and either Silva or a candidate at the higher level can take them forward.

The combination of Brands and Silva should attract the better players, which have been reluctant to buy into the Everton project under the last four Managers. This will be the first test. The other test of the internal sorting out of the club and squad will only become apparent as the team evolves over the next season.

I think that Moshiri has learnt a very costly lesson over this past two years. The caution taken reflects this. Mr Bill's influence is on the wane; he was always too much of a supporter, like the rest of us, he has also learnt that there are no quick solutions. Lyndon's "Patience is the virtue" now needed. Your caution is wise.

Andy (#3) – I see a pattern here...maybe you are a consistent cautious optimist and your feelings have no bearing on the likelihood of success or failure of any managerial appointment?

For what its worth I was more optimistic about Moyes than I was about Martinez or Koeman. I was even more optimistic about Smith. So who the hell knows eh!

On Silva I am at about the same optimism level as I was about Moyes – actually its quite a similar punt – young manager who has done well at lesser clubs/leagues. If he stays 11 years then maybe that'll mean things have gone well.

All jokes aside, Silva has the reputation, rightly or wrongly, as a flake. Only he can change that.

I am happy we are going with Silva as he had the Steve Ferns stamp of approval and Steve knows his stuff.

Look at Mourinho's post title winning part season at Chelsea and the same for Ranieri at Leicester as examples on how tight the margins are between success and abject failure. Important issue is how the players respond to the new regime.

I'm happy with Silva's appointment. I desperately wanted Martinez at the time, and as far as I'm concerned Roberto's appointment worked out fine. I'm hoping Marco can give me a 70+ point season chasing down the top 4 watching some wonderful football the way Roberto did in his first season.

And for the broken record types who want to say, "he ruined Everton" and, "he couldn't defend" and, "exciting football? All we did was pass the thing to death" just save it and don't bother.

Marco's the man. I believe there's going to be a few seasons akin to Roberto's first season. Something about Silva gives me hope and excitement. I can't explain why, just a gut feeling.

The future is on the up.

But for now I suppose he has the benefit of the doubt.

Olympiacos have a lunatic in charge, he'd won the league by 30 points, there was no topping that season. Porto are the best run Portuguese club and you can't blame him for wanting that job.

Hull went down and he wanted to be in the Premier League. Watford was the Pozzos, and they broke promises and sold players without his consent (if rumours are believed).

Silva I am less excited about, I am happy to give him time to build and show a difference. I want to see passion, I want to see a manager who knows how to manage, make changes, win games and play football. Next season if fine to get his feet under but he has to show a plan to bring on the some players I will be happier than having Sam there.

I think brands will make a call on progress in 2 years and if nothing will push to get someone in. World Cup and then bring on the start of the season.

Also very pleased they're looking at our own players before deciding what they need. Too many clubs sign players for the sake of new faces, and though we undoubtedly need some, we have some good players returning from loans who need evaluating (Dowell, Besic, Lookman, Robinson, Sandro).

Look at Chelsea – they signed the left wingback from Roma for over 㿊M, when they have Kennedy returning from a loan at Newcastle; where he thrived starting week-in & week-out.

I'm not saying we have that level of talent out on loan, but why buy a Kluivert or Lozano if Lookman and Sandro fit the bill?

The reason giving for him leaving Sporting makes no sense, he quit Olympiacos for 'personal reasons' when the going was good, his spell at Hull was brief as could be and Watford allege he lost interest (or some such guff). All in all, there are grounds for suspecting he may not be here for the long haul.

I hope I am wrong as you've done a good job of arguing he should be.

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Silva was outspoken at Sporting. He is not one to toe the party line. He will be honest and say what the club needs and what it needs to do. The fans respected him for that and some thought he was a voice for them.

The owner wanted the guy from Benfica, Jorge Jesus. You'll recognise him, he's the Portuguese Barry Manilow lookalike who's been around for what seems like forever. He won the league with Benfica and joined Sporting within hours of Silva being sacked. Despite being brought in to bring glory, he's still to win the league or cup, with only a league cup (which doesn't give the winner European qualification) to show for his efforts.

The personal reasons given for leaving Olympiacos were reported to be him wanting the Porto job, but the current Wolves Manager got the job and won the league.

And yes, 9 years at the club as a player doesn't show loyalty as a manager, but it does hint at a bond to Estoril that saw him stay for three years, even when he had the chance to leave earlier.

I would hope he can develop a bond here that would keep him here if bigger fish start to circle.

I mentioned in another thread about Silva's 3 year deal which I find too long. We have been severely bitten with our last 3 managers regarding contract length and the cost to the Club to pay them off.

I would suggest we have employed a second tier manager. If top guys like Tuchel and Emery can be offered and accept 2-year deals, then we should be following suit, possibly with one-year options.

If, as suggested, Silva wanted the Everton job, then I'm sure he would have accepted similar deals to other top managers.

Emery also has a rebuilding job at Arsenal; he seems happy enough. Silva's track record doesn't show well for staying at clubs, though it is argued it's everyone else's fault but his. Regardless, in my opinion ,we should be more careful with these contracts.

So three years is too long but two years would be just right? It's one year difference. Also, a two-year contract would mean they would have to renegotiate immediately following this season, assuming he does well, otherwise he'd be a lame duck.

Steve Ferns reckons this Silva is so good we will see a transformation almost immediately. If that's the case after the first season roll it over to another 2 years and so on.

As I mentioned I would have thought, based on our past history, if top managers like Emery and Tuchel accept 2 years why not this guy.

It pisses me off that these guys can cock up and walk away with more than me and you will both earn in a lifetime. Let's see how good he is and remunerate him on success not on status quo.

It might only be a year of a difference but it might increase his motivation to succeed and earn himself a better deal.

My point in contract length is to reward Silva at the end of the season with a year option on his remaining one year, and so on. It seems to me contracts are not worth the paper they're written on until it comes to pay off time.

David reckons a 3-year deal is only another one extra on my preferred 2-year deal. He is of course correct but where does it end? Well, he has a 3-year deal, let's just give him another one making it 4? Some say our plan is a 5-year one, so, do we give him a 5-year deal ?

At this time, everything is supposition and we all hope Silva can turn us around, but, if it does go pear-shaped, this time let's try and not get ripped off again.

Martinez got a new deal after an excellent first season. Few were bemoaning it and it's only with hindsight that it's criticized. I'm sure if Silva has us in the top 5, we'll be offering him a new 5-year deal.

Koeman was wanted by Moshiri and so had him over a barrel. Allardyce was surely hired with one eye on firing him so the terms should have been easier for Moshiri to swallow.

I don't know whether Silva would accept a 2-year deal, I suppose we won't find out.

It's no secret that our better managers "get" this club, and what it's about. Martinez for me has come the closest to "getting" Everton. The problem is Bobby gets everybody. Koeman, Allardyce, Walker, Moyes, Smith....an Evertonian amongst them?

A fighter for sure.

Would you rather watch Schneiderlin go through the motions, or watch a 100% hard as nails effort from Mo?

Many will say Mo's not good enough. But when you have a dead season like our last one, give me players who will fight like rabid dogs.

Mo is one of those players. I hope he gets a new life under Silva.

I get the distinct feeling Marco is going to have a lineup full of hustlers. Gueye, although passing is an issue, covers a stupid amount of ground. Siggy runs constantly, Besic is an effort-beast. I think we may see a team at the start of the season that on paper isn't as "talented" as many people's "top pick line-up", but one that will do exactly what Marco wants and tells them to do.

And that will mean work your socks off. It will also mean for the first time in quite a while I expect to see a "real team" instead of 11 dudes tossed together with some obscure metric or reasoning.

For the first time in quite a long while, I'm excited to watch us play again under Silva.

It's early days, but good signs, and whilst Silva wasn't my first choice, he kept stum for 8 months, and now it looks like the club are working as a club and not on fairy tales, as often in the last 30 years.

Let's see what summer brings in.

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We all know that the revitalisation of Everton, given the self-inflicted problems, is a 5-year project. Poor planning and contracts have got us to where we are now.

Maybe the Board is like those (I include myself) who hope that Silva is going to be the 'one', after the disappointment of the other so-called 'ones' who were going to make Everton into a top 4 side. But this isn't the way to think when you are running a football club.

I do have concerns regarding Silva and the Board, but I do see a plan trying to be implemented, which is a welcome change. Hopefully the unprofessional Everton Board don't derail it.

I think he's got his confidence back, had a great run in the team at Boro when they were chasing down the top 3/4 in the Championship – built for this upward fight we find ourselves in.

We can't be a team of headless chickens for sure, but if we were it'd be better than watching what we have the last few months.

And Lookman starts for me for the first ten games, regardless of how he does. Look at Richarlison under Silva at Watford, Mola can be that guy and then some.

Great if he can, but I ain't holding my breath, and that's with reference to Besic alone by the way. If he goes, I suggest we'll be paying any leeway in his salary until 2021 as well. Sigh.

The Premier League placings are not the route we should take but Moshiri can't see it. Never a mention from him about the two domestic cups or from our new gaffer or DoF it seems. Sad as that is our best route to silverware and global success. The world only notices winners, not who comes 4th.

The only person who will benefit from incremental placings in the Premier League will be Moshiri as, over time, his stock will increase but our trophy cabinet will still be bare.

At least I'll know by mid-September if our new managerial team has Wembley earmarked this season... but I am not hopeful.

Prove me wrong, please Blues.

PLEASE.

Let's say a basic pay of ٠m a year with ٞ-3m a year add-ons based on league placing and cup appearances.

A specific clause for termination due to non-performance following a series of warnings.

It never fails to astound me that managers can fail spectacularly and walk away with millions, straight into another job.

The same reason that players don't fancy performance-related pay – because if it doesn't work out they want their contracts paid in full to the end of the term. So Martinez walked away with 㾶 million and no doubt Koeman pretty near that figure and Allardyce ٤ million after 6 months in the job.

Like all transfers, be it managers or players they want a minimum of 3-year contracts, and clubs are quite happy to agree them till things go wrong then as Everton have found out it gets very expensive.

Moyes had a 6-month contract at West Ham because it suited him as well as the club, and let's not forget Moshiri only wanted to give him 6 months originally but Allardyce turned it down as he knew Everton were desperate to get him. He probably knew if he signed a 6-month contract he would be sacked at the end of the season as he was but this way he walks away with ٤ million instead of nothing.

You only have to look at what has happened at Aston Villa – they spent money they didn't have, gambling that they would get into the Premier League, which would have enabled them to pay off their debts. But they lost to Fulham in the playoffs and now owe the taxman a considerable amount of money.

I remember reading Alan Sugar's autobiography and he said when he was chairman of Spurs, all his business acumen went out the window. The manager kept saying, "If you buy me so-and-so, we will win the league" Then, when it didn't happen, he was asked "Well, buy me these 3 players and we will definitely win the league." Again, it didn't happen.

Seems even the cleverest of businessmen lose all control of their faculties when they get involved with football clubs. Beware Mr Moshiri, you have already listened to Martinez and Koeman and are still no nearer winning a trophy.