How well are we doing?

Easier said than done; will Bramley-Moore Dock happen, and if so, when?

On face value it's a miracle we...

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Not sure of Paul's issue but I have noticed of late that I no longer seem to have that "edit" option after I rattle off a post and realize I made a typo.

I was wondering that too. Similar with Man City. I believe the "Emptihad" holds 55,000 though it often has many empty seats. So it is about 38 percent larger than Goodison Park. So, all things being equal (I realize they are not), they should bring in about 㿂 million to our 㾼 million. They actually bring in 㿥 million, while Liverpool have 㿽 million. Are the additional tens of millions purely from executive suites etc? Or is there a huge disparity in ticket prices?

I know Everton have made a point of keeping ticket prices low but having not been to the UK in a decade I have no idea how much a ticket price is to Anfield, Etihad, etc.

So providing we sell out every home game, even with the on the day ticket sales added to season ticket sales adds up to over £26M per season. Add on the away ticket sales and it's over £27.5M.

These figures are only estimates, and I know there are concessions etc, but surely the difference cannot be over £10M.

Rob, you will of course remember the old days when we'd be packed like sardines in Gwladys St and the tannoy would announce an attendance of not much more than 3 men and a dog. We'd all be screaming that they're dodging the taxman by deliberately underestimating the crowd. Maybe the 㾼m is the modern-day equivalent?

If your own quick calculations are correct, and I can only think that maybe the 㾼m figure is net profit after deduction of staff and material costs, it becomes even more baffling because those figures represent not only gate receipts but also all other match day income. I have been to a few of the stadiums of the other teams mentioned over the last couple of years and they are all light years ahead in terms of the quality of goods and services on offer. Who's going to roll up to Goodison a few hours before kick off (excluding hospitality) to sample the fine beers and wines and food on offer on the concourses? For me, there's no excuse not to have improved the facilities at Goodison far more than the cosmetic sticking-plaster jobs.

But actually, Rob, some of the other figures give even greater cause for concern.

I saw a report too detailing our lowest season ticket price which was 𧹈-odd. Even that figure multiplied by 30,000 virtually covers the 㾼 million figure. Wonder if someone has their hand in the till?

I feel as if we waste a lot of money keeping around these players to make Unsy look good. Man City, for example, tend to play a lot of 18-year-olds so by comparison our "twenty somethings" are bigger and stronger so have an advantage even if they are not technically as good.

We need to cut these jokers unless we have very realistic expectations they might become late bloomers. Clear the decks for the likes of Simms and give him a couple of years in the Under-23s.

In essence I was going to say its a miracle we are hanging in, if these figures are correct, but as Rob and others have confirmed the maths don't stack up, and it's mystifying.

In the 1970s and before and for a while after, we all knew that they'd be 48k, in GP, at least and the gate would be 39-41,445.

That's an example but the gate tax fiddle dodge we knew went on. These figures are very concerning as it makes BMD, critical.

Let's see what comes out the next few weeks.

And my parents are also paying less as over-65s. They're surrounded by the same group that have been going for over 20 years in the same seats. Does the figures include revenue from boxes?

Anyway, yes, bring on BMD. Please, as long as we have a team fit to challenge and we get ourselves back where we belong.

Commercial activities is shite and always has been, room for improvement. The wages-to-turnover ratio is essential and is one reason why we are not Sunderland. It is all linked, though.

We need to bite the bullet and take a big hit on our overpaid loanees. (It seems we got Villa to pay Bolasie his full 㿲k-a-week wack, which was a bonus.)

Bad calls were made, in hindsight. Walsh, Allardyce etc. But we have a huge challenge ahead. Build a stadium and a team. It can be done. It will be done.

We are rightfully cautious, as a lifetime of false dawns has made us, but this time, hopefully, the Gods of fate will be kind to EFC.

BMD @ min 60k, and future proof, will happen?

Dave #14, you're right, but don't forget the hundreds of tickets Everton gives away each match day as part of custom-and-practice contract, many of which are then sold on by the recipients for their own gain. This dodgy practice needs to stop.

I remember David Conn writing a few years before Moshiri joined the club, saying that our wages % to actual turnover was not sustainable. Seems like these figures confirm the same underlying problem has not been turned round. Although I would hope that the wage bill which has to decrease dramatically will happen once they move on the many unwanted players on the books at present.

We have kept our season tickets frozen for a few seasons now, maybe that is now becoming unsustainable. Maybe the over 65s like me need to pay a bit more, but I would hope any increase for the younger supporters is kept to the minimum.

That may explain some of the shortfall but as others have said that figure looks suspiciously low.

We're doing as well as we've been doing for some time, as a midtable club finishing in the range 45-60 points, having midtable highs and lows, and tending to lose our best players to teams who are doing better.

Another question is, is there any real sign of us progressing from this? The answer to that one is, probably, no overall, even though we see some signs of improvement in particular areas. In other words, it's difficult to see any overall sign of moving from a midtable club with midtable highs and lows.

Though shifting deadwood is not so easy as we know. I suspect we will be forced into loaning out a fair share once more as who out there is going to match the crazy wages of Mirallas, Bolasie, Sandro et al??? Astonishing how much damage just one or two seasons of mismanagement can do!

Spurs have a brewery in their new stadium. They estimate that beer sales alone generate £150k per match, or based on 19 league games, £2.85m.

We've always lagged behind and become overly dependent on broadcast revenue. If that dips (it's projected to, but not hugely) or God forbid we tumbled out of the top flight (which some advocate as a means of "resetting"), we'd be fucked for a generation.

Perhaps our management team can go and visit Spurs stadium brewery, if they can organise it...

This is the same guy who put in a bid of ٠ billion to buy Liverpool.

Pretty sure the "average" disposable income between a regular adult attendee at the Spurs stadium and one at L4 will be hugely different. There'll likely be a large number of football tourists at the London ground willing to throw their money away on their "soccer" day out.

That's not to say ours couldn't and shouldn't be improved considerably when the Bramley-Moore Dock stadium comes along.

By contrast ,our neighbours' cheapest season ticket for 65+ year olds is 𧺺 which equates to over 㿇 per match. Many will be paying much more than that.

The over-65 pricing is just one example. All the way through the age bands, the RS charge substantially more than our club does.