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Everton make approach for Mina

| Thursday, 05 July 2018 47comments  |  Jump to last
Everton are interested in Colombian international defender Yerry Mina and have already initiated contact with Barcelona, according to reports.

The Liverpool Echo say that the two clubs are in talks while Goal.com claim that the Blues have bid £21m to sign the 23-year-old.

There have also been suggestions that Everton have offered to take the big centre half on loan for a season with an option to purchase at the end of the season.



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Alan J Thompson
1 Posted 05/07/2018 at 05:23:16
Having only seen him against England, he seems good in the air and on the ball and seems to have a good turn of foot. Given his height it looks like it would be a good deal but I wouldn't want a deal similar to that of Deulofeu, if it can be avoided, particularly at that price.
Henry Lloyd
2 Posted 05/07/2018 at 05:56:27
I think this guy will scare the shit out of most if not all Premier League defences. Where the reported £21 Million is a Tad high for a defender, we did pay £25 million for Micheal Keane.

So if this is a serious bid, which I believe it is, then it will be a loan deal first which is the right way to go.

Everton are doing what they should be doing regarding re-building; we have undoubtedly one of the best goalkeepers on the planet and it makes sense to build from him outwards.

The picture is looking a lot clearer than it has been for some time, so I am all for Mina coming, however we do the deal.

Andy King
3 Posted 05/07/2018 at 06:53:56
Having performed an enormous scouting exercise on him, (i.e. watched him against England) he looks like he's got everything. Big, imposing, pretty quick and decent(ish) with the ball. Has anyone got any proper background on him?

I think they mentioned Barca had only just signed him but he was unhappy with not getting a game. If that's the case, I'd imagine a loan or protracted sale with buy-back clause. Even so, it might give us the opportunity to loan a few of the youngsters out to gain experience and reevaluate in a year or two's time.

Drew O'Neall
4 Posted 05/07/2018 at 07:44:51
Yes please.
Sam Hoare
5 Posted 05/07/2018 at 08:06:28
He's obviously a serious force in the air though having watched all of Colombia's games it seems he does get caught out of position at times and the quicker Davidson Sanchez had to bail him out at times.

He only played 4 games for Barcelona and yet they want double the price they paid for him a year ago? Canny.

Marco Silva likes to have at least one massive defender though Keane is pretty big at 6ft-4in. I'd say Keane and Mina together would make a very imposing if somewhat immobile pairing. Perhaps Mina and Holgate would be a good combo as Mason is a bit quicker and able to cover.

Christy Ring
6 Posted 05/07/2018 at 08:13:15
Mina is very good in the air, scoring a couple of goals. Defensively a bit suspect, and over the years, how many unknown players who have played well for their country in the World Cup end up being flops. Poborsky at Man Utd, was one of many.
Richard Lyons
7 Posted 05/07/2018 at 08:41:29
He's obviously good at rugby anyway, along with the rest of the Colombian defence, and he is surely better than my Auntie Mina (who is lovely, but she's 80 so past her best at heading the ball).
Bill Griffiths
8 Posted 05/07/2018 at 10:30:50
If Brands & Silva are driving this one would hope that he was already on their radars and not because of a few performances out in Russia.
Gavin Johnson
9 Posted 05/07/2018 at 10:35:17
Sign him up. The lad's a beast of a defender, but play hardball with Barca. No silly buy-back clauses this time!
Drew Shortis
10 Posted 05/07/2018 at 10:40:15
This summer I'm determined not to get caught up in all the transfer rumor nonsense. We have no idea whatsoever that Brand or Silva are actually interested in Mina or any other player. This kind of speculation has always been unreliable, but nowadays many of these stories seem to originate from 'journalists' who trawl through fans Twitter feeds & just tell them what they want to hear. All they care about is getting the clicks. There is no comeback if their 'story' is 100% fantasy.

Don't get me wrong, I love the transfer window wrangling. It's part of the sport. I'm just not willing to spend all summer chasing my tail, clicking on every dubious link that pops up or getting disappointed when we 'lose out' on a player I'd never heard of & the management may well never have approached.

Steve Ferns
11 Posted 05/07/2018 at 10:51:45
As I said elsewhere, I've not seen enough of him to know if he's good enough, but he certainly fits the Silva profile for a centre-half.
Andrew Ellams
12 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:02:28
He must have something if Barca wanted him in the first place. It seems that they lost count of the number of non EU players they have in their squad (4 only in matchday squads in Spain I think) and that has meant he's struggled to get included.
Fran Mitchell
13 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:07:36
Barca got him for buttons because of an agreement made when Palmeiras signed him.

At Palmeiras the guy was brilliant. Helped win the league with them, voted best defender in the Brasileirão, scored against all state rivals (santos, são paulo and most importantly, corinthians).

Of course, the level of the Brasileirão is way below that of the Premier League, but his oerdormaces at the World Cup prove he is no dud. Barca apparently have concerns over his movement/positioning skills and thus his availability.

Think he'd be a great signing. He is a giant, he scores, and he plays with a smile on his face. A fan favorite in the making. Alongside Holgate would make an exciting prospect, with Keane and Jagielka offering competition.

Just hope if it is a loan, then we have a buy option, and if ww sign, that it doesn't include a ridiculous 'back back at a pittence' fee.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

14 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:28:59
I've seen a lot of Mina when (as Fran Mitchell has already posted) he played for Palmeiras in the Brazilian Serie A in 2016.

That was Gabriel Jesus's last season with Palmeiras before his move to City and a very important year for Palmeiras: they finally won the league again after a 22-year wait.

Mina did not immediately make the starting XI for a couple of reasons. Initially, he was away on International duty with Colombia at the Copa America when he first broke into the national team aged just 21. Then on his return to Palmeiras he had a hamstring injury, but by the end of his first season he did break into the team, played 11 times and scored 3 times.

In that season Palmeiras had a solid defence and carried a serious threat from dead ball situations attacking the opposition penalty area. Mina was very much part of that.

A similar pattern followed in 2017. He was again away on international duty and also had a metatarsal break, so his league performances numbered just 15.

It was enough for Barcelona to splash out €9 million for him in January this year. Palmeiras tripled their money by doing so.

Given who he is behind in the pecking order of central defenders at Barca, it is hardly surprising he has only played five times for them.

His threat at set pieces attacking the opposition goal is self-evident. He is a strong towering presence in defence. He could develop into a very fine player.

My nagging doubt about him, on what I've seen is - yes! He enjoys and is very good at the physical side of the game and loves going toe to toe with a big strong lump of a centre-forward.

Where he struggles more is with his mobility and tracking the quicker, smaller attackers which the Premier League has in abundance.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

15 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:39:27
In other news, any one else noted that FIFA has whittled down their referee's list for the remaining games? And that the yank Mark Geiger who took charge of the Colombian-England game has - astonishingly - been retained? Copy-paste below:

FIFA's Referees Committee on Wednesday selected 17 referees, 37 assistant referees and 10 Video Assistant Referees (VARs) for the final phase of its 2018 World Cup, holding in Russia.

Pierluigi Collina, the committee's head, told reporters in Moscow that this was because the number of referees at the 32-day competition has to be reduced at this point in time.

“The number of referees has been reduced in view of the number of matches left and the teams that have qualified for the next round.

“We have only eight matches left and only eight teams left also.

“These are in the quarter-finals (four matches), the semi-finals (two matches), third-place or losers' final (one match) and final (one match).

“Only eight matches are involved in this number of matches also.

“So, there is, therefore, a need for a reduction in the number,'' the former Italian referee said.

The 17 referees picked for the next phase include Alireza Faghani (Iran) and Nawaf Shukralla (Bahrain) from the Asian Football Confederation (AFC).

Others are Malang Diedhiou (Senegal) and Janny Sikazwe (Zambia) from the Confederation of African Football (CAF).

From the Confederation of Central American and Caribbean Football (CONCACAF) are Mark Geiger (USA), Jair Marrufo (USA) and Cesar Arturo Ramos (Mexico).

Alan J Thompson
16 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:43:31
Andy (#3);Yeah, great idea that, loan out some of the kids and wait two years to see if they are any good!

Get the bloke who has just played at the World Cup, troubled England's finest and is on the books at Barca or, we could go and scout him for a season or two, eh.

Erik Dols
17 Posted 05/07/2018 at 12:50:25
Jay #15

“The number of referees has been reduced in view of the number of matches left and the teams that have qualified for the next round.

“We have only eight matches left and only eight teams left also.

“These are in the quarter-finals (four matches), the semi-finals (two matches), third-place or losers’ final (one match) and final (one match).

“Only eight matches are involved in this number of matches also."

This is one of the most wonderful pieces of text I have ever read. I get his point - just eight matches left so no need to keep all refs on board. But the way he is wording it... Probably just lost in translation. But the amount of words he needs to describe "just eight teams and eight matches left" reminds me of my school days if I needed to hit a certain amount of words in an essay.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

18 Posted 05/07/2018 at 13:07:07
Erik, I felt the same when I read it also!

I did think to completely cut Collina's words and just list the retained refs, but I kinda enjoyed the Pythonesque-like 'Holy Grenade of Antioch' description the bald Italian offered.

"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

19 Posted 05/07/2018 at 13:13:15
BTW Erik, any news from your part of the world about Brands going back to PSV or indeed his homeland to recruit anyone for Everton?

Or are you at the mercy of the speculative tabloid news like the rest of us?

Quick appendage. I also see the Dutchman Bjorn Kuipers will ref the Sweden-England quarter-final. I like him. He is excellent and surely a candidate for the final also.

Si Cooper
20 Posted 05/07/2018 at 13:15:59
I watched the Colombia - Senegal match and it was mentioned that Davidson Sanchez was required to dig Mina out of a hole every now and then. Against England, he seemed pretty competent even when he appeared to be carrying a bit of an injury.

Seems like a bit of a gamble even if he is a beast, so the price would need to be right.

Andy King
21 Posted 05/07/2018 at 13:54:59
Alan @ 16, the last thing I want to do is get into an argument with someone, but I do think it's a good idea to loan out a number of our younger defenders.

Personally, I think Holgate, Kenny etc. would benefit massively from a loan to a decent Championship side. They'd get games and experience under their belt which they're very unlikely to get here. I'd have a season-long loan planned into every young player's development. There's a huge gap between our youth setup and the first team which a well thought-out loan could bridge.

If the club feel they want Mina and can get him, then great news (as I've said, I know very little about him). My point was that I wouldn't rule him out if Barcelona won't simply sell him; we could actually use it to our favour.

(You may notice that was all said without any exclamation marks or sarcastic undertones...)

Steve Ferns
22 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:12:57
Andy, Holgate won't benefit from a loan to a Championship club, he is already above that level. Sure, if you wanted to pick holes in his game then he was inconsistent. I fail to see how a 21-year-old with his potential would benefit from going elsewhere for a year. He should be playing for us.

If Keane had come in and had the season that Maguire has had, then we'd all be shouting for Keane and Holgate to form the partnership that could last the next five seasons or more. I think the uncertainty over Keane has held Holgate back. That said, my thinking would be for Holgate to be on the bench and ready for action. If we need experience then Jags comes in, if we need pace we go for Holgate.

But there's merit to what you say with Feeney. Would he be best playing for the U23s where Silva and Brands can keep an eye on him, or is he best playing for a side in League One? I think due to his young age, I'd keep him in the U23s and have him as 5th choice centre-back for the first team (A new signing, Keane, Holgate, Jagielka, Feeney).

We need to learn the lessons of Galloway and Garbutt. Both were on the fringe of the first team, both looked ready, both were sent back to the U23s by Baines recovering from injury, both looked like they needed games, and both went significantly backwards because of those loans and perhaps had they stayed with us, then things would have been different.

Andrew Ellams
23 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:21:47
Holgate is a first team player. Maybe not every week but he certainly needs to be in the squad, week-in & week-out.
Fran Mitchell
24 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:27:56
I think the young players on the fringes — Kenny, Baningime, Dowell, Williams, Robinson etc — will benefit more staying at the club, training with experienced first-team players, and pushing themselves to try and get in the first team and take their chances when they get them.

Much better than sending them to a club where they will train with lesser quality players and coaches, with a style of play that doesn't match ours. (Dowell would have been better suited coming back to us when Karanka took over.)

At most, a short-term loan in mid-January to see how they do, if they do well á la Barkley and Coleman, then back into the first team.

Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:35:25
Mina looks like a liability to me. Kind of in the Materazzi or Funes Mori mold. Think about it, any time a defender even so much as breathes on a Llalana or Silva, the refs are ready to card them.

Because of his size, any 50/50 tackle is going to result in the midget opponent going to ground. If he actually fouls someone, they will probably end up in Row Z.

So I think refs will hound this guy into submission to where he is afraid to tackle. That leaves him to use his balls skills – but that is his area of weakness.

Steve Ferns
26 Posted 05/07/2018 at 14:37:21
Good idea Fran, short loans, more month-to-month and extending if in everyone's interests.

We need to avoid having any more cases like 23-year-old Connor McAleny on our books. Wasn't he older, or similar in age to Lukaku? It was obvious he was never going to make it, so why was he still at the club?

21 is not a young age for a player anymore. Few players come in after 21 these days and make it. Therefore, any player over the age of 19 who is not close to the first team should really be let go.

Why loan these lads when you can give them a free transfer and offload the wages? But, because the lower league club is getting them for free, then insist on clauses enabling us to get the player back easily (paying a fee, of course) and a sell-on to let us get a slice of the pie if the kid is a late developer.

Alan J Thompson
27 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:07:56
Andy (#21); If you didn't want sarcasm and punctuation then you should have had second thoughts before posting your #3.

As I recall, we signed Holgate from one of those clubs you now want him to be loaned out to and Kenny, Robinson, Dowell, Williams et al have all had loan spells. It might be worth listening to Lookman's views on the system.

I'm not a great admirer of the loan system but I'd have agreed with you if you had said that it is about time some sort of League or system was set up for youngsters to play regularly against better opposition rather than the League Cup, used by a lot of clubs, and, in the case of the regularly higher League placed sides, the FA Cup.

Andy King
28 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:19:05
My thinking with loans is to get them the vital experience needed at a crucial stage of their development. In game intelligence only comes from playing competitive matches. Playing a few minutes each game can lead to players trying to do too much to impress the manager.

Month-to-month loans would be great for us as, if the player is needed or deemed to be ready, then we get them straight back. Unfortunately, (but I'm not certain about this) isn't there a limit to renewing a loan deal in a single season? If a loan can only be renewed once, that means shifting a player around fairly often, which is unlikely to be helpful. Therefore I'd go for a 6-month loan with an option to extend in January.

Personally I'd send players in pairs on loan and try to develop partnerships with other clubs. Say for example sending Kenny and Holgate to Barnsley. Firstly, they're not shipped out on their own. Secondly, if they develop as we hope, then they'll know each other's game inside-out after playing competitively together. Finally, as part of the deal with Barnsley, we'd expect first dibs on any upcoming talent (ie, the next Stones or Holgate).

By the way, I personally think Holgate is a great talent and should be given an opportunity this season. I used his name as an example but I was thinking of any youngish player not in the first 25. If you're between 20-24, got years on your contract but have at least 2 players above you in the pecking order, then I'd rather see you playing.

Just my thoughts like...

Steve Ferns
29 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:22:03
Everton and other Premier League Clubs, and maybe even the England side, would be best served by allowing them to field a reserve side in the lower leagues. Thus we could avoid loaning players out and have good exposure to matches, in a style done in most European leagues.

However, this would undoubtedly be catastrophic to the English game, meaning a dilution to the English game, and a dismantling of the football league pyramid that underpins our game.

It's a very difficult exercise and a decision that cannot be made lightly. There does seem an air of inevitability to it though.

John Pierce
30 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:36:18
Mina, not sure really what sets him apart from others we've been linked with other than his age, Brands very clear on that, a younger profile.

Vida, even Kone Sunderland all seem very similar to me. Tall, physical and quick, not seeing any ability on the ball though.

We need that style of player as often centre-backs are exposed one-on-one under Silva but perhaps were things got sticky for him at Barca is the lack of ‘ball playing' to carry it out from the back?

I think we will retain a younger element to the back line, Holgate/Keane but both require an older more experienced partner to thrive IMO. I think that's where we need to target, a 26- to 29-year-old, but time will tell.

Alan Bodell
31 Posted 05/07/2018 at 15:41:16
Oh, I'll leave it to those overpaid in positions to make the right decisions and they must know what the last lot did with all that finance. Absolutely spunked Williams, Bolasie, Sandro, Keane, Klaassen... But then, if they fuck up, then they'll find another job somewhere else.

Contacts, that's all you need these days on the merry-go-round. But just pray we get it right (lucky) this time before, as David Gray sang, 'What we gonna do when the money runs out'???

Derek Knox
32 Posted 05/07/2018 at 17:18:04
Slightly off topic, but still concerning transfer news, I have been reading some good news, that we have little chance of signing Carvalho, who is allegedly deep in talks with Real Betis.

Let's hope the other alleged link to Domagoj Vida follows a similar path, as I believe both would be a backward step to building a decent team with quick decisive forward movement.

Tom Bowers
33 Posted 05/07/2018 at 17:40:32
It's always a problem: stick or twist?

Everton have some decent defenders to work with and the question is who to keep and who move out.

Jags and Baines are past their best and Martina is not good enough any way you look at it. Keane looks as if he will progress under a new boss but the jury is still out on young Holgate as he needs to show more toughness at central defence.

The likes of Davies, Gana, Schneiderlin and Besic could help as deep midfielders although Schneiderlin may not be everyone's cup of tea.

What was sadly missing last season was a lack of belief from the opening whistle. There was a general lethargy from the off and apathy once they got behind.

We are all hoping, obviously, that the new staff will get things going again and it may well be that new signings are the only way to kick-start that process.

Steve Ferns
34 Posted 05/07/2018 at 18:13:38
Tom, surely the appointment of Silva and Brands tells you that, to use your analogy, we intend to “stick”.
Derek Taylor
35 Posted 05/07/2018 at 18:53:19
As has been said before, at Everton players are loaned out primarily to reduce the wage bill. An overwhelming number are never seen again even if they return from the lower divisions where they pick up a host of bad habits and sloppy play.

If they are any good, keep them here to grow into the Everton mould.

Erik Dols
36 Posted 06/07/2018 at 11:17:55
Jay Wood [BRZ], sorry for the late response. I especially like your MP reference! Just for fun I'm going to quote one specific sentence from Collina again:

“Only eight matches are involved in this number of matches also."

Simply brilliant! I will use this in the future when I went out drinking and the missus questions how much beers I had... "Only eight beers were involved in this number of beers also".

More on topic: As Brands is our new man, the Dutch press seem to link every player from the Eredivisie who can shoot a ball 10 yards straight with Everton. Mind you, with the current state of Dutch football, there are not that many players fitting this description. But I have no idea at all which rumours can be taken seriously. In the past at PSV, a few days before big signings, the press knew about them almost every single time. Lozano to PSV was lingering for months.

The Dutch press are convinced Kuipers will get the final if he does well in the Sweden - England fixture. I also rate him quite highly.

Steve Ferns
37 Posted 06/07/2018 at 11:41:13
Erik, what do you think PSV will be thinking about selling players? It is very significant that Brands stayed and worked hard right up to 1st July. Clearly he did so in PSV's best interests. No doubt he has left a long-term plan on the table for his successor.

Brands must surely have discussed Lozano's future as part of this. And surely he must have talked about Everton coming in for him. He will also be aware of any star players in their academy system.

So, in your opinion, how likely is Brands to have properly discussed the transfer of Lozano to Everton, and the sale of any other PSV players to Everton?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

38 Posted 06/07/2018 at 12:14:37
Good man, Erik!

And you've sown the seed of an idea how I can usefully apply the 'Collina Code' in my own negotiations with the missus!

Erik Dols
39 Posted 06/07/2018 at 12:30:59
Steve (#37), they most certainly will have discussed this to some extent. But "properly" discuss it, I doubt that, as PSV will have been smart enough to wait for the World Cup. Lozano played well but not outstanding IMHO so his price won't be as inflated as PSV would have hoped. Don't think a deal was already in place.

Jay (#38), no guarantees, probably the 'Collina code' will have the adverse effect...

Jason Broome
40 Posted 07/07/2018 at 09:48:02
Tall, awkward, and not as good as everyone is making out. I don't rate Mina at all. The Premier League will expose him. We really need to be signing better. A one-year loan is all I would go with.
Jim Wilson
41 Posted 07/07/2018 at 14:33:24

The slagging off of easily two of our best players, Jagielka and Baines, needs to stop. I am absolutely sick of it. They helped us get out of the shit last season and are a valuable asset for next season.

While I am at it, for the morons who want to write their own history, played out of position all last season, Rooney still helped us stay up with his goals. And I thank him for that. He saw first hand what a lunatic club we are.

There isn't much wrong with most of the players we have at the club, we just have moronic management that just holds us back enormously. Liverpool have a knack of finding a good player and then know how to develop him into a great player. I'm not sure we know how to find a good player but I am sure we haven't a clue how to develop him. I haven't seen or heard much from the new management team that inspires confidence either.

But stop bashing our good experienced players, they are not the problem. Clearouts and signings have destroyed us! Nothing but madness.

Victor Yu
42 Posted 11/07/2018 at 08:41:52
According to teamtalk.com, we have offered $21M for him.
Sam Hoare
43 Posted 11/07/2018 at 09:18:27
Jim @41, I haven't seen many people slagging off Jagielka and Baines but many have pointed out that we cannot keep relying on them. Their physical attributes are on the wane naturally at their age and, at left-back in particular in the modern game, pace and stamina can play a big part.

Both can still play a part next season but obviously, at 33 and almost 36, both will need phasing out and replacing in the nearish future if we have aspirations of moving up the table.

Len Hawkins
44 Posted 11/07/2018 at 09:37:16
Kieran (#25),

I hope the refs this coming season are going to follow the lead of the World Cup referees and not blow for every tackle being a foul. The one lasting positive to come out of this tournament is letting the games flow more which means a more pleasing game to watch. I, like most, am fed up to the back teeth with supposedly grown men rolling around feigning injury like a bunch of 3-year-olds. I'd be quite happy to see Mina running through any redneck bastard.


Richard (#7),

Aren't Aunties great? My old aunty had a wicked swerve on a free kick — I think the bunion put a bit of extra spin on the ball.

Steve Ferns
45 Posted 12/07/2018 at 12:31:57
Conflicting reports on the big fella today. He’s either a deal done for £25m or £41m or he’s stalling on other clubs. There’s quotes attributed to his agent saying the deal is not done and there’s still time for the RS to come in.

All very interesting. Watch this space I suppose.

Dave Trickey
46 Posted 12/07/2018 at 14:31:58
Barca have just signed Clement Lenglet. If there is any real basis for the Yerry Mina rumours, could this be the catalyst for some movement?
Kristian Boyce
47 Posted 14/07/2018 at 19:36:29
Supposedly Leicester just offered £26m for him.

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