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Mina set for Everton in €32m deal

| Sunday, 05 August 2018 221comments  |  Jump to last
Everton are close to agreeing a €32m fee with Barcelona for defender Yerry Mina if Sport in Spain are to be believed.

Negotiations between the Blues, the Spanish club and the Colombian international have dragged on for weeks with no apparent resolution and Everton reportedly ready to call off their pursuit.

Mina was said to be holding out for a move to a bigger club or one at least able to offer him Champions League football, with Lyon interested and Manchester United his favoured destination.

It does not appear as though there was reciprocal admiration from Jose Mourinho, however, and it could now be that Mina will agree to a big-money switch to Goodison Park.

The Sport report claims that only the finishing touches need to be put on the deal and that Mina will sign a five-year contract but L'Equipe disagree, reporting that the defender would prefer Lyon.



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Mark Wynne
1 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:07:03
Cue foot dragging in the hope of a “bigger move”.
Chris Clark
2 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:09:58
If he is only here for a few seasons so be it. We badly need defenders. I'm still hoping for another CB and CM.
Eugene Kearney
3 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:13:39
Hasn't Mr Brands been over there for about 10 days or so, apparently with the intention of bringing him and Digne both to GP?

Then maybe we shouldn't be surprised at Everton's ploy of "we're backing out of this" actually working.

Andrew Ellams
4 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:14:07
Knew this would happen as soon as someone blinked in Utds genuine negotiations.
Mark Tanton
5 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:18:52
It’s like a chain when you just want to move into the house you’ve set your heart on. Complicated stuff, depending on all the other centre halves and clubs involved.

I really hope it’s truI because he’s an absolute beast.

Paul Ellam
6 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:23:01
This has Yarmolenko written all over it! Why can't Everton just set a price and stick to it, as well as a date. Give clubs our choices and tell them if they can't or won't agree the sale by that time we will move on to someone else.

At this rate we are going to be scratching around on deadline day and end up getting either somebody we don't really need or somebody who isn't good enough or nobody at all.

Frustrates the hell out of me watching other clubs seemingly signing players at will while we watch on as our top targets get hoovered up.

George Cumiskey
7 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:27:06
No Paul this has Siggy written all over it, and look at the way that turned out.
Bill Gienapp
8 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:28:49
United can have almost any player they want. The notion that Mina would be at the top of their shopping list, even as a fallback choice, never really passed the smell test.

Assuming they land Alderweireld, they'll need to unload one or two of their centre-backs. Seal the Mina deal, pounce on Lindelof (forget Rojo) and get Drinkwater in on loan and then we'll be cooking with gas this season.

Paul Dewhurst
9 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:33:01
Bill: 8 - That would be a great first window
Michael Lynch
10 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:35:30
Is he actually any good? All I've seen is his goal in the WC against us, and it looked like he did his groin celebrating that, which doesn't fill me with confidence.
Gordon White
11 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:36:01
Can't disagree with 8 and 9.
David Barks
12 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:42:07
Paul #6,

The only reason it seems other clubs are able to wrap up signings instantly is because you don’t sit and follow those clubs every move. They go through negotiations and can take time as well. It also helps to be in a position of power, which right now we are not. Easier to convince a player to go to Spurs than Everton at the moment, for obvious reasons.

Phil Head
13 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:43:11
This is the complete opposite of the Sigurdsson debacle. Mina was our no.1 defensive target, quite rightly he held out for a better offer and when it didn't transpire, it appears he resorted to signing for us. The Sigurdsson transfer was more like the Richarlison one, our 3-4 choice option in that position, Zaha wasn't interested, Malcolm wasn't interested and whoever else may have been approached wasn't either. After weeks/months of rejection, the manager gets impatient, panics, and pays ridiculously over the odds for a bang average player. Hopefully, we can get Mina to instigate a transfer for his countryman Wilmar Barrios as well, a class act, would love to see the two of them in a blue shirt, desperately need that nastiness and aggression they showed in the World Cup.
Minik Hansen
14 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:47:43
If this goes through, I'll be so made up. If we don't, I hope pull a rabbit out the hat.
Mike Gaynes
15 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:48:07
My favorite sources for Barca news do not report this, at least not yet.

They do report that both Barca and Mina overstepped in these negotiations. Barca asked Man Utd for 40, and Mina asked for a huge salary increase, and Jose said screw it.

The result is that Barca must sell Mina now because the signings of Malcom and Arturo Vidal have them with 6 non-EU players, which is too many for La Liga. Both Barca and Mina will have to take much less than they had asked for in order to get this deal done by Thursday.

And in a really weird twist, we could wind up seeing Mina in uniform next Saturday -- against us. Wolves are in for him.

Oh, and one more thing -- Mina has gotten an enthusiastic Everton invitation/endorsement from Digne. Quote from the Echo: ”I said to him to come but we’ll see. Really I don’t know. He’s a good player and a good guy.”

Kelvin Thomas
16 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:51:57
I agree with you Phil with regards to Mina being number 1 target.
I don’t agree that Richarlison is a bang average player though.

Yes we paid a lot of money for Siggy and Richarlison but when you consider championship clubs paying around £10m on players you haven’t heard of on a regular basis it puts miur spending in perspective!

Richarlison and Siggy will, in my opinion, prove their worth this year.

Paul Smith
17 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:59:03
Barca .Everton's feeder club ;-)
Sam Hoare
18 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:00:15
I’ve heard from some relatively reliable ITK (I know...) that this is happening. Fee around £28.5m.

Not sure how I feel about it. He’s not the fastest and certainly has some mistakes in him. Him and Keane would make for a pretty immobile pairing. But if nothing else he should be fun to have at corners and FKs!

Denis Richardson
19 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:02:02
Mike I hope that’s true. Other reports say the deal to manu fell through as they couldn’t agree on agent fees (interesting how the size of the agents fee and who pays it could stop a transfer. You’d think the player and club had more say!)

If true then we might get him for less (€32m obviously comes with a WC premium).

Either way I don’t care if we’re his 14th choice as long as he’s good and puts the effort in. If he leaves in 2-3 years time having done a decent job, then so be it.

We need a decent CB badly.

Julian Exshaw
20 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:02:43
Quite surprising, if true. I'd have thought he'd want Champions League football etc. I would also imagine it took some time to 'sell' Everton to him. Oh well, let's hope it's going to happen and that there may even be a further pleasant surprise or two before the window closes.
Michael Lynch
21 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:03:00
Sam

That's what worries me, the only thing I've read about him is that he's slow. I just watched the highlights of his nightmare game for Barca at Levante and he was dreadful. Static and back on his heels for the goals. I'm hoping that was a one-off.

Sam Hoare
22 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:05:20
Some interesting (and positive) observations on Mina on this twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/simonedwardssaf/status/950883583119581185

Gavin Johnson
23 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:05:42
Here's hoping, but I won't believe this one until I see Mina wearing an Everton shirt.
Andy Meighan
24 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:10:36
I've heard Mina is on his way to have a medical at Finch Farm...
John Keating
25 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:13:55
Mina and Keane in a high pressing game?

That's us screwed then

James Marshall
26 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:17:25
He's a big old unit but not terribly mobile. Having watched all our pre season games, I'm not convinced Mina is the answer.

That said, we've been caught out on crosses often in games so a big centre half who can command in the air might pay dividends.

I'd never heard of him before the world cup either. I'd never heard of Digne before we signed him either. Both players have now had some Barcelona coaching which means they'll fit in perfectly at Everton. Yeah I know.

Graham Hammond
27 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:17:55
I know very little about this player but I am concerned that he may well be the wrong choice completely if indeed he lacks pace as is being suggested here. If we were to partner him with Keane (who is very slow) this cannot possibly work out well if we have any aspirations whatsoever in bridging the gap with the top 6. We need pace at the back which we currently do not have, like yesterday it will be a knife through butter in the Premier League, Schneiderlin sure as hell will not offer any protection to the back line. I am getting worried.
Chris Watts
28 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:19:19
Still prefer lacelles... don’t know much about this guy.. we need 2 centre backs plus 2 dembeles. One in midfield - I really think we should get him from spurs and ship Morgan .

And the striker from Celtic. Then bring on the new season

Mike Manchester
29 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:19:35
Just chuckled to myself when I realised it would be keen and mean (Keane and Mina)
Gavin Johnson
30 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:23:18
I think Silva's got big plans for Holgate this year. If Holgate can improve his concentration we could have a useful pairing with him and Mina if the latters deal is concluded.

Personally I think Keane will be 3rd choice CB.

Dermot Byrne
31 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:26:13
Graham #26: to be honest I feel the same about every player we are linked with. The game is so full of bullshit that no idea whose view can you trust. To be honest, the only team I watch is Everton so no idea who may be good.

Then there is a player with good or bad stats. Gets a little exchange going on TW from time to time but in the end they are with another team, have different manager and fellow players and loads of other things that make simple stats unreliable.

Be glad when to whole cattle market is over and can just watch some bloody football.

Sam Hoare
32 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:31:03
Worth pointing out that Brands will not be signing anyone on the basis of the WC alone. He knows the South American market well and no doubt was a fan of Mina’s from Palmeiras where he was apparently excellent, good enough to persuade one of the best teams in the world to buy him.

Also, I’m not sure how slow he really is. I suspect like Keane that he takes his time to get moving but unlike Keane I reckon his top speed is pretty good. Hope so anyway!

Mike Gaynes
33 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:31:29
Sam and Michael and James and Graham, no, he is NOT slow. He has excellent pace. He played three games in the WC. Click them up on YouTube and watch. You'll be pleased. Colombia played a high line and Mina got back beautifully. He has pace and power to burn.

What he doesn't have is experience. He will make mistakes, lots of them. But this is a kid who stepped up into a starting role at a WC and scored three goals. Have a little faith.

His "lack of pace" is a TW fable, invented by ?? and repeated frequently, probably mostly by those who didn't actually see him play.

Mike Gaynes
34 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:33:43
Gavin #29, Holgate probably won't be fit for a while. I would have agreed with you that he'd start, but now we have no idea when.
John Malone
35 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:39:07
I thought we’d moved on from the day’s of Weir and Stubbs at the back great in the air but goosed on the deck.

Haven’t seen a lot of Mina but what I did see in the world cup was him getting spun inside out by pacy forward’s.

Hopefully if true, Brand’s and Silva have got this one right because if one thing’s for sure we desperately need to improve at the back.

Next signing has got to be a quality centre mid Schneiderlain is getting worse he look’s more of a coward the more he play’s.

Sam Hoare
36 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:39:23
Mike@32, I watched every minute he played and as I said in 31 I think he is slow to turn/get sprinting but quick once he gets into his stride. So yeah, perhaps ‘slow’ is the wrong word but he is lacking a certain agility/acceleration that is to be expected perhaps with his frame and physique.
Pat Kelly
37 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:44:23
Now for a striker ! We ain't got many goals in the squad.
Gavin Johnson
38 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:45:16
Mike, lets hope Holgate is back in a few weeks rather than months. He has got the legs to cover tracking back for a big unit like Mina. I'll take your word for it if you're saying Mina's got enough pace/mobility. Maybe we'll be okay with Mina and Keane as a pairing. I hope so. I've not written Keane off like a lot of people have on TW.
Chris Watts
39 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:47:02
When was the last time we had a quick centre back? Ratcliff? Distan? Stones? We always seem to have plodding centre backs the difference now is we’re going to have a high line

Is lindoff quick, I’m not sure or lacelles either- lacelles has looked very good every time I’ve seen him. Replacing Morgan is just as important he seems a really toxic influence

James Marshall
40 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:49:34
I never said he didn't have pace, I said he might not be terribly mobile, as in getting turned like Keane does. There's a difference.

He is after all 9ft tall.

Tony Everan
41 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:50:19
I will be happy if this gets done , it will be a coup.

He is coming to the right club, he will play every week and get better over the next couple of seasons.

He certainly won’t be overawed by any of the top 6 . That’s the type of player we want. The only downside will be the regulatory Barca-buyback clause. But we will have to live with that because Mina probably wants it too.

If Brands gets him over the line, he deserves a lot of credit.

If we can do some smart business regarding a Central Midfielder this will start to look like a major transfer window for us. One that will transform our club from the dreadful demoralised outfit of last season to a new, dynamic, fearless team.

Digne,Richarlison and Mina are 3 quality signings. One more to come .

With the players out and players in we could have hardly hoped for better.

Ron Sear
42 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:50:39
At last, a competent defender. Now we don't have to buy Silva some brown shoes.
Chris Gould
43 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:52:02
I never doubted this would happen. All of the Utd nonsense was never believable.
I hope we are in for one more centre back on top of Mina but that's doubtful.
An interesting week ahead of us.
David Chait
44 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:53:37
Seems close ! Take it Man U decided against it.. not sure how good he will be but got to be an improvement like that Brands and Marco have gone for few high quality and not a whole clearout never works.

I still worry about the striker position and if we could Mina plus one that would be spot on in my books!

James Marshall
45 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:56:21
I just watched a YouTube video of him playing for both Barca and Colombia. He isn't the most cultured defender you'll see that's for sure.
Colin Glassar
46 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:57:18
I Iike all three signings. I’d like Danny Drinkwater (on loan if necessary) to give our MF a bit more mobility and muscle. And another forward (Batshuayi?) to improve competition.

If we don’t get anyone else in I’m just chuffed we’ve gotten rid of Williams and Mirallas at last.

Graham Hammond
47 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:58:02
Reading between the lines it sounds as if Mina has pace which would suit a team that plays a high line but not necessarily great instantaneous pace which I think is what is needed and possibly preferential in the Premier League. Ideally he would have both but that is extremely rare in any player. Whoever starts as our Centre Back pairing next Saturday needs to get some good strong defensive cover from Midfield, hopefully we can all agree on that much!
Mark Tanton
48 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:58:24
He's exactly what we need - an aggressive beast who's going to stick his foot in and bully his way around the back, hopefully. I hope this happens. Jagielka has been an immense servant of the club but he needs to be sitting in a high backed chair waiting for his medication before dominos afternoon. As I said in another thread, I think Keane will develop more and come on playing alongside someone else.
Tom Bowers
49 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:58:46
Well, if it happens it happens. God knows we need
more strength back there and I don't think Holgate is the answer although he may help as a right back.
Let's wait and see if Silva get's him and another class attacking midfielder now that Klassen has gone (LOL)
Derek Knox
50 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:00:58
A couple of weeks ago I was raring for this deal to come off, I am still glad, but feel that he is opting for us as a last resort, as he has been associated with so many other Clubs.

Maybe it's me holding Everton in such high esteem, which is not shared by any others away from us, that is invoking that feeling.

Kudos to Marcel Brands, for us eventually getting our number one Target, hope I'm not too early in those congratulations.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

51 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:01:30
I know Mina very well from the 2 years he played with one of Brazil's mega-clubs, Palmeiras, aged just 20-21.

Indeed, in one of those seasons he helped them win their first title in 20 odd years.

He actually wasn't a regular as in each season he picked up an injury that side lined him for months.

When he did play he was a presence in both penalty areas.

Defensively, he is best against a more traditional and static number 9. He can be troubled more by more nimble and fleet forwards which abound in the PL.

He cannot be described with 'excellent' pace, but nor is he 'slow'.

He would certainly make a better fist of getting his head on the end of crosses coming into our penalty area than our defence has managed in the last 12 months.

Disappointed like others that Mason Holgate's injury has curtailed his preseason. I want to believe he can become a vital component of Silva's Everton.

Mike Gaynes
52 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:02:14
Sam and James, that's for sure. Certainly at 6'5" and 205 he's not going to be quick off the mark, and he's certainly not "cultured" with his lack of top-level experience.

But the sheer physical talent is undeniable, and maybe he'll learn to turn quicker with better anticipation and footwork. Unlike Keane, who could be psychic about what's coming and would still be an aircraft carrier on the turn.

Stephen Davies
53 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:02:20
David #43..I think we have given him and his agent what they wanted .ManU didnt
Ray Said
54 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:03:27
To digress from centre backs for a minute, the club could do worse than to look at Mooy from Huddersfield for central midfield. He was impressive last year . He doesnt shirk getting at the opposition players, he can see a forward pass, he is two footed and is reasonably quick. He showed a positive attitude and didnt seem overawed who ever he was facing.

If Silva is going with a three in midfield we will need those three players to be industrious, creative, tenacious and pass well and he reminds me of Reidy which is high praise from me

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:04:16
Thanks for the insight, Jay.
James Stewart
56 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:04:56
Thought this might happen. Don't rate him at all. Slow, immobile and not what we need. No wonder United pulled the plug, just look at some of his rare Barca performances, atrocious.
Jimmy Hogan
57 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:05:06
Mike, Man United fans started the rumour and I suspect Everton fans have just googled "Mina" or read United fans tweets. Always dangerous.

I agree, Brands is no fool and the Agent and Mina have overplayed their hands. I expect this to happen at the last moment as the agent capitulates for a much lower fee than is exaggerated and leaked by him to save face.

Steve Ferns
58 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:11:44
Mike #32 I agree
Stewart Lowe
59 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:12:14
From what I have seen and read, he isn't slow at all. Very long legs and 6ft 5 that will get on the end of Richarlisons and Sigurdssons crosses. If this is true, and it looks like it is, he looks very comfortable on the ball anywhere on the pitch, and he is so so awkward to defend from set pieces. We lacked height, strength and certainly pace for years, so I'm looking forward to this. Barcelona don't sign up rubbish.
James Marshall
60 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:13:16
The funny thing is that if you look on YouTube there are Man Utd fan videos welcoming Mina to Utd. Images of him wearing Utd kits and everything.
Derek Knox
61 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:21:09
Ray @53, I wholeheartedly agree with Mooy, but as too with Lascelles, Huddersfield only managed to avoid relegation last season, and although Newcastle did slightly better.

Neither would be willing to let arguably their best player go, without either a fight or financial compensation, which would probably mean paying over the odds.

To get Lascelles as well as Mina would certainly transform us, but would be surprised if it happened.

Simon R. Smith
62 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:21:25
Just hope that this it not another one of those " it's 99.9% done deals " that we have had so many times before !
Fran Mitchell
63 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:27:36
I think Mina is potentially a world class defender. He has all the attributes, but yes, he does need to improve in some aspects. Like Koubaliy from napoli, who before Sarri arrived was seen as a mistake waiting to happen.

His strength, height, power and yes, pace could make him a beast of a defender.

Think of how many times we worried whenever a top striker comes running at our defense, this guy has the tools to win battles like that more often than not.

Not to mention the fact that he is good for 6/7 goals from set-pieces, especially with Sigurdsson taking them.

Would still hope to see anothee come in, especially with holgate's injury, maybe go for Lascelles and offer Keane as part of the deal. Of go big and make a move for de Ligt.

Then go and get Loftus-Cheek or Grealish and Drinkwater, and Dembele from Celtic.

That would cement our place in 7th, and maybe offer the chance to go further if Chelsea, Utd or Arsenal tumble.

Ray Said
64 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:29:06
Cheers Derek (60). We need more grit and those two both show quality and fight. I would love to see them play for us as their effect could be transformative
Chris Watts
65 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:30:43
I wonder if we could get David Silva. City have so many options he’d transform our attack..
Liam Reilly
66 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:33:09
I remember him going down like he'd been shot after a tussle with that man mountain 'Sterling'; so he needs to cut that shit out.

I reckon he'd be useful but I think this is agent talk to get United to move; can't see it happening.

Steven Jones
67 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:35:06
Spurs are struggling to sign anyone – or even shift their not wanted .

Man Utd are struggling to even agree who they want – and then get it done.

Man City have only one singing...

So please stop the sarcastic negative comments about our club and our management team – that includes Moshiri, Kenwright, Brands, Silva and Ferguson.

Sense and Sensibility... let's see where we get to... Silva's methods will make huge improvements.

I just want safety – we have not replaced the goals; only Walcott can fix this and maybe Richarlson. Tosun is 12 -15 goals. Niasse is 6 to 10. Calvert-Lewin is 3 to 5.

Let's wait and see... with everything crossed and supportive of everyone at EFC.

Oliver Molloy
68 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:35:16
If Barcelona thought that Mina would cut the mustard for them, they would keep him or loan him in my opinion. If he signs for us, we will soon see for ourselves if he is the commanding centre-back the club desperately need.

Did Silva / Brands know anything about this player before the World Cup? I suspect not... which is a worry, because it smacks of desperation.

What I do know is that once again we let two centre backs leave without having a replacement signed first which is the way it should be done.

Andy Williams
69 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:37:29
I thought he looked good in the World Cup. I was impressed before he was linked with us.

I love the negativity re a player hardly anyone has seen, targeted by Man Utd and on the books of Barca. Welcome to TW.

Stewart Lowe
70 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:38:04
Have to agree on that one, we can't depend on Niasse and Calvert-Lewin. Niasse's determination is admirable but he still isn't good enough. He might get 9-12 per season but it's not enough. Calvert-Lewin needs a season long loan somewhere like Leeds to get some consistent game time. For me, the jury is still out on Tosun, and he will only get 15 a season in my opinion. And we can't just launch everything onto his head. We need a solid other option up front.
Brent Stephens
71 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:38:16
Mark #1 "Cue foot dragging in the hope of a “bigger move”.

Isn't that where we were last week? So he'll still try to hold out?

Ray Said
72 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:39:02
Even if we do get Mina in, I still think we need another CB especially if Holgate is out. I don't rate Browning, Galloway or Pennington. I had hopes the first two could come good but they seem to have stalled while I never rated Pennington at all.
Brent Stephens
73 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:40:03
Paul #6 "Why can't Everton just set a price and stick to it, as well as a date".

Possibly, just possibly, that's what they've actually done?!

Brent Stephens
74 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:42:26
George #7 "this has Siggy written all over it, and look at the way that turned out".

George, I love a pessimist!

Steve Ferns
75 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:47:21
There's a picture of Mina on a plane on twitter, and a caption that the deal will be done soon.

LB, CB and LW this window for around £100m. I wanted to see quality, not quantity and I hope this is exactly that. Time will tell. I do like the look of Mina, and he certainly fits the Silva Profile.

Don't worry about the rest of the signings, this is a process, and it doesn't matter about getting the players now, as long as we have enough of them to fit into a good 11 now, and can get us back to 7th. Silva gets his sides flying out the blocks and expect things to be different come Saturday. We can add to the team with the right players in the next few windows, and properly build a team.

Rian Magee
76 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:48:02
I enjoy reading the comments from all us experts :P Don't you think Brands and Silva will be doing a little more than watching a few clips on YouTube and reading a few pages on the internet in order find out about a player they think is a fit for the squad and style of play?

I honestly don't mind if it's Mina or Rojo (or somebody else entirely). Even if we only get a couple of years out of either, they're both an improvement on what we have and I they give their all for the shirt, fucking welcome!

Sam Hoare
77 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:48:35
Oliver Molloy, I think you seriously underestimate Brands (and Silva) if you think they only heard of this player at the World Cup. Even I knew who he was before that an I'm not in the most respected DOFs in football with great links to South America.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

78 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:49:22
Fran @ 62.

Out of curiosity, did you see yet the SHAMELESS (IMO) Neymar Gillete advert that was aired in Brazil this last week?

A 'mea culpa' both excusing and justifying his tumbling antics at the WC. For me, it echoed the Tiger Woods Nike ad in the wake of the golfer's scandals breaking a few years back, which used his respected father and mentor Earl's words together with a black and white non-speaking image of Tiger.

Dunno if it's just for the domestic market, or gone global. It's a really nauseating clip. Neymar's 'sincerity' earned him $250,000 from Gillete, according to some reports.

Link

Steve Ferns
79 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:54:35
Cheers Jay, gives me a whole new reason to dislike Neymar. What a sycophantic pile of tosh. The lad is just a born cheat, and he certainly is a spoilt brat. Sure he does get kicked up and down the pitch, but no more so than Messi, and he doesn't do these antics. What a complete and utter wanker.

And yeah, what on earth does that have to do with razors?

Chris Watts
80 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:56:07
I must admit I can’t bring myself to get too optimistic. Something must go wrong. Like a bloke who’s wife has left him and next few girl friends have run off - I can’t believe it will work. This new partner must have something wrong with them.

I guess the proof will be next Saturday but if Morgan is not replaced my expectation is 0 even if we get 2 centre backs

Alex Mullan
81 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:58:55
That awkward moment when you catch the girl you're dating snogging another guy but agree to keep seeing her because she's 6ft-5in and with great ball skills.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

82 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:01:19
Nauseating, isn't it Steve?

I am delighted to report that Zorra, a Saturday night satirical comedy show on Brazil's leading TV station, made this the opening skit last night.

Brazilians are very defensive about any real or perceived criticism of their country, or one of their own, so it was reassuring to see such a high profile show 'not buying it'.

Rian Magee
83 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:01:35
Neymar epitomises what's wrong with football today, overpaid, cheating wankers. I saw a stat that he spent 17 minutes on the ground during Brazil's World Cup Finals – haha, what a complete ring. For all his skill, the boy is a disgrace. Ronaldo is cut from that same shit-stained cloth.

Razor ads are up there with perfume ads as being the most irrelevant pretentious wank ever displayed on a screen... Double rant over – haha!

Michael Lynch
84 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:01:52
Rian @75

Yes, you would definitely think a club of Everton's size and stature would know exactly what they're buying and how well the player will fit into the squad. But Per Krøldrup. And Davy Klaassen. And... well there's quite a few isn't there?

If we do sign Mina, I hope they've got it right. And certainly at 6'-4" he should add some presence in both defence and attack for set-pieces.

Lee Paige
85 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:01:53
So we get Mina then it's Smalling or Lindelof from Man Utd if we can't agree a fee with them on Rojo? Well that would certainly be an improvement on what we have right now but I'm still nervous about our midfield. I wonder if it was our abysmal defence that inhibited our midfield in some way and shoring it up will help free them up more? Doubtful yeah and probably more hopeful than anything.
Derek Knox
86 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:02:01
Chris @79, I think 99% of TW would like Schneiderlin gone, but for some reason he seems to be a protected species.

As long as he's breathing and has some sort of pulse, he gets picked, but I attribute a lot of the failings in midfield down to his lack of commitment.

Soren Moyer
87 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:02:38
I just don't think he will be a good signing for us!
Chris Watts
88 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:05:26
Lee, we know Van Dijk transformed Liverpool from a shambles to solid. Stam did the same for Man Utd some years back. A top quality centre-back can I'm sure.

But yeh, I fear Morgan is such a weak link, he really offers nothing.

Nicholas Ryan
89 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:09:12
Have just read something on the BBC website about Mina; it said, he is the only defender in World Cup history, to score 3 headed goals.

I have one simple question: How many of the current squad, could be described as: '...the only player in World Cup history to.....'. Exactly!

Rian Magee
90 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:09:42
Michael @83

Very true, but I believe Brands is a bit more of a coy and thorough professional than the eejits behind some of our most recent exploits 👍🏻

If he does come I cant see him being anything other than an upgrade on Jags or Keane. Will just have to wait and see

Brian Williams
91 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:10:55
The way I'm looking at this is; We've made two signings and both we can see, even in such a short space of time, are excellent.

If Brands and Silva want Mina, let's trust em til there's reason not to.

Steve Ferns
92 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:17:55
Who was the Barcelona player that Martinez chased hard after getting Deulofeu? Attacking midfielder in a No 10 role and we just couldn't persuade him to leave and come here. And what ever happened to him?
Steve Ferns
93 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:19:25
Well said Brian. There’s a plan at work here. And they are getting the right pieces into the jigsaw. It takes time. And it looks like they are doing it right, unlike last summer.
Nicholas Ryan
94 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:20:06
Do you all remember the children's nursery rhymes that began with:
'The Boy stood on the burning deck etc.'?
Well, my son, being a student on holiday, with nothing better to do, came up with:

'The Boy stood on the burning deck, with a shocked and worried demeanour.
He looked around at the defensive shambles,
And begged for Yerry Mina'


OK, it's not Wordsworth, but it'll do!

Fran Mitchell
95 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:27:43
Jay, of course, who could've missed that "When I get on my feet, All of Brasil stands up" nauseating arragonce and yet incredibly funny. It was even more nauseating and up itself than Lula's pre-candidacy advert, and that is saying something.

On the plus side,

The neymemistas were running out of material, so he helped out and gave them so much material that we'll have neymer memes for a good few months still.

And did you watch Flamengo x Gremio? Gremio really are a delight of a team.

Best Brazilian football match since the Neymar x Ronaldinho (Santos x Flamengo) classic.

Nicholas Ryan
96 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:29:54
Steve [91] I believe it was Sergi Roberto, interestingly, described at the time, as Roberto Sergio; and he's still there. By the way, the English version of the Barca website, describes Mina as 'one of the biggest talents in South America...'
Grant Rorrison
97 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:30:41
Steve 91. Was it Sergi Roberto? If so, he's still at Barcelona.
Steve Ferns
98 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:31:33
Nicholas and Grant, it must have been. But he’s now a right back, so that threw me.
Fran Mitchell
99 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:32:13
Also, good to see Silva saying "he's our player and he stays" in reference to Lookman.
Tom Bowers
100 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:33:39
I, like many others, have been critical so far of Silva but, in retrospect, it's been somewhat unfair. He has inherited primarily a squad in disarray with so many misfits, i.e. experienced men who have shown they are unhappy or not good enough. He has probably been appraised by the existing staff about some players but needed to form his own opinions from the pre-season which I am sure he has done now.

A couple of signings done and a few departures will no doubt give a clearer picture after a few matches and we certainly hope that picture is a hell of a lot better than it was. Tosun is no world beater but he tucked that one away nicely yesterday and I think he may well benefit from a partnership with Richarlison and/or Walcott.

Niasse and Calvert-Lewinare not good enough to start but may do a decent job on occasions off the bench. Bolasie is an enigma at this point so it's no good speculating on what his role will be.

I hope McCarthy is back soon as he, on form, is our best defensive midfielder.

Gavin Johnson
101 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:36:23
It would be nice to bring in a 2nd CB as well as Mina, but I'd prioritise bringing in a midfielder, or striker in that order before an extra CB. I can't see us making more than 2 signings before Thurs.

Loftus Cheek is the obvious name, but Drinkwater on loan could be good deal, and we'd get to partner him our own version of Kante (Gueye)

As for a striker I have no idea. Maybe Dembele from Celtic, who wouldn't cost silly money. Personally, I'd probably go for Balotelli on a free transfer. He's scored for fun in France and would have something to prove after his disastrous spell with the RS.

Steve Ferns
102 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:41:38
Tom, he also said how he had watched a lot of tape, but that does not tell you everything. So it seems he’s given all the players the chance to fight for their place if they wanted to. And that’s fair enough for me.

He’s boiled the squad right down now, a few more are to leave, and we’ll just have to wait until 5.00pm on Thursday to see the final squad.

Silva will then work with this squad for 12 months and let’s hope they improve as the season progresses.

I’ve seen flashes of what he wants to do and I’m positive he will get us where he wants us to be. Sadly, we’re a long way off that right now, but who knows, things could click by Saturday.

Also, bear in mind it’s pre-season, so he’s training the players hard. It’s about fitness and getting those levels up for the season. From Saturday we’ve shifted out of pre-season into normal training. This means they train a lot less and so they will look a lot less tired. And so we will see their real fitness levels. Also, we all know from personal experience that your touch is worse when you’re knackered, along with your decision making. We should see a sharper, fitter side come Saturday, hopefully with a new player or two, and then the pre-season work will be even more evident.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

103 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:41:48
Fran @ 95 I too like Gremio and how they play football, plus their manager, Renato Gaucho.

I loved how HE declared a public holiday for the city when they won the Libertadores last year - AND that it was observed!

I watched the mid-week cup game 1-1 draw, but was out last night for the league game.

Sao Paulo I have to say are impressing me in the league this year.

As for the Neymar shite, if you didn't see it last night look up the Zorra show on Globo.

The opening sketch is an excellent piss take of the Gillete ad.

Jerome Shields
104 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:45:48
All I can say he would be better than what we have a CB, but we need another one along with him.
Nathan Ford
105 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:51:23
Hopefully we sign Mina and on Saturday we play a back four of Coleman, Mina, Digne and Baines. That way, we have Mina next to Digne who he's trained with many times. This will help both and a right-foot - left-foot partnership as well.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

106 Posted 05/08/2018 at 00:26:57
Nathan @ 104.

I know Digne has been mooted on these pages as a possible centre back. I for one hope not!

From what I saw against Valencia, Digne has neither the height nor the physique to play centre back.

And even if we do sign Mina before the Wolves game, I doubt Silva will be applying your logic when deciding on who to select at centre back in his first competitive game as Everton manager.

He'll go for something more tried and trusted.

Dale Darlington
107 Posted 06/08/2018 at 00:50:50
I like the look of Mina. Looks a powerful intimidating centre half who judging by world cup performances ain't afraid to get his head on the end of it! Something we really do need! Will provide a huge upgrade on what we have. I have a really hard time watching Keane it's more head in hands with him than much else honestly.

Replacement for Schneiderlin is a must I feel he and Gana just can't seem to click and I don't put that down to Gana let's just say that much.

I heard something recently about N'Zonzi wanting a move to the PL? Played a good role in France's Wc success and I think could be picked up for a relative bargain!?

Dan Davies
108 Posted 06/08/2018 at 01:12:47
If we sign the boy from Newcastle too, we're in business. Lascalles.

Coleman. Lascalles. Keane. Mina. Digne.

The future.

Much respect and admiration to Jags and Baines but their time has come to an end.

Fran Mitchell
109 Posted 06/08/2018 at 01:28:11
Yeah Jay, how the hell São Paulo managed to turn things round. They were woeful at the beginning of the year, and had been on a steady decline for years.

Guess that gives us blues some hope.

And what about filipão? The Palmeirense Howard Kendall stunning lack of ideas from Palmeiras.

Si Cooper
110 Posted 06/08/2018 at 01:44:53
What I remember from the World Cup was a commentator saying that Davinson Sanchez was the one who was tasked with backing up when Mina left a hole in the Colombian defence but that Mina could dominate aerially. The national manager obviously saw enough attributes to forgive the lapses.

Against us he seemed like a man possessed at times and even seemingly struggling with a muscle pull he was still putting himself about (eating up the ground with his length of stride).

I think he could be a great success for us if he does come, because his talents could work in the Premier League, but I hope people are prepared for him to be constantly talking to the press about how he wants to be playing for a Champions League side.

Andrew Keatley
111 Posted 06/08/2018 at 02:16:27
I think last season told us a lot about player acquisitions. In July 2017 a lot of people on here (and in the media) were predicting a rise in fortune and league position because we signed some (supposedly) decent players. We all know what followed.

I think most of us seem to agree on what we need this season, but identifying the right players is horribly difficult. Some of the names other people are putting forward make me shudder - but who knows which players will turn out to deliver what is required.

For what it's worth, Mina seems to have some huge strengths (physicality, size, aerial ability in both boxes) - and some possible weaknesses (uncultured, a bit wild and cumbersome, slow on the turn).

Last season Spurs signed Davinson Sanchez from Ajax for a good deal more than we are allegedly paying for Mina - and something tells me Spurs have gotten the better deal (I think Davinson Sanchez is very good across the board).

I curse the fact that this summer has seen us in such dire need of players. Replacing Schneiderlin seems to have been overlooked in favour of other problems; cannot believe he is still here, and looking to be still in the starting eleven for Saturday.

Victor Yu
112 Posted 06/08/2018 at 02:34:07
Even if he is using us a a stepping stone for a bigger club offer in a year or two, I would definitely take him since we desperately need a quality CB now.
Mike Gaynes
113 Posted 06/08/2018 at 03:07:48
Nicholas #93, I nominate your son as Poet Laureate of ToffeeWeb.

Please check with Lyndon regarding the size of the honorarium that comes with the title.

Mike Gaynes
114 Posted 06/08/2018 at 03:09:06
Nathan #104, Digne is not a CB.

He can play LCB in a back 3. Does not play CB in a back 4.

Mike Gaynes
115 Posted 06/08/2018 at 03:14:45
OK, folks, the English-language Barca websites are reporting this as a done deal. Barcablaugranes calls it a "crazy" amount of money.

But Benjamin Barkworth of EverythingBarca.com, a pretty good analyst, writes this about Mina:

He may not fit into the requirements Barcelona have for a defender, but he is talented for his age. Aerial prowess, tackling and passing are some of his best traits. Positioning and reading the game are his weaker areas, so it makes sense why he struggled for the Catalans. His passing also lacked the penetration from deep that was needed, although he circulated possession effectively. Barcelona can’t afford to take risks with a long-term project in such a key area, but he has the potential to be a top defender.

Mina will suit a team that plays in a more traditional manner without such an intense focus on keeping possession as well as using the defenders to break through the opposition defensive shape with their passing and dribbling like Barcelona do. His aerial prowess also extends to the opposition box, which provides Marco Silva with a major weapon to use at set pieces.

David Barks
116 Posted 06/08/2018 at 04:01:15
Well that would be a positive if true Mike. All of us will have to wait and see how he adapts, grows and settles into the team. Hopefully he can form a great partnership with either Keane or Holgate, or maybe someone else. At least he’ll know Digne.
John Pierce
117 Posted 06/08/2018 at 05:08:20
This lad needs to get to fuck, a proper tart hanging out for any offer but our beloved Mersey bloos. Lyon now allegedly in for him. This lad with limited appeal in both talent and like-ability screwing us around should have every effing siren going off at Finch Farm.

All this bother over a relatively unknown player? Me I'd of left him hanging days, weeks ago but the fact we are still hanging around the Colombian totem is telling?

I might proffer we have no viable alternatives anywhere as advanced as this lad and the chronic lack of quality we do have makes him look like Bobby Moore.

It's all very odd, desperate and distasteful.
Swerve!!!

Michael Morgan
118 Posted 06/08/2018 at 06:08:48
John @116,

Where does it say anything that Lyon are officially in for him, i.e quotes from Barcelona, Lyon or the player himself?!

Just checked news about Lyon and it's all about Fekir and Liverpool.

I also checked news about Barcelona, and all that's mentioned is about interest in Pogba, and that a deal with EVERTON has been agreed.

Finally checked our news and again it's all about an agreed deal with Barcelona for him.

Loads of people on here have shown frustration about the time it was taking for him to make up his mind.

Up to the point of hearing news that we've just agreed a price with Barcelona (even this news is still a rumour until made official). Any rumours previous to that news about him holding out for Champions League clubs are mute as you have to agree a deal with the parent club before you are given permission to talk to a player. Otherwise it's called tapping up.

No one knows why this deal has taken so long to get over the line or if any other club was in fact interested in him (I never actually noticed any official quotes from either Man Utd or Lyon or Barcelona, just rumours).

If I had to hazard a guess, my opinion would be based on previous transfers and that we normally take an age to get deals over the line whilst trying to negotiate the best possible price. Whereas other clubs seem to do their business alot more quickly.

Also noticed that we sold Klaassen and within days we had Digne.

Then noticed that since loaning out Williams and Mirallas, this deal seems to be back on.

We know we have to reduce squad bill, it was officially quoted from Brands himself, that we had to sell to buy because of our large squad.

Mike Gaynes
119 Posted 06/08/2018 at 06:41:40
John #116:

"This lad with limited appeal in both talent and like-ability screwing us around..."

Of course I'll take your word over that of Lucas Digne, who actually knows him, played with him, and says he's a fine player and a fine lad and urged him to come to Everton.

In his press quotes, Mina also seems to be a likeable guy with a sense of humor:

“When I arrived, to create a good atmosphere I started to bet with Messi and Suarez to see who took the best free-kicks in training,” he said. "I did it just to watch them. Before I knew it they were taking €50 a day off me. And I was like, ‘What, I’m paying for these guys to go shopping!’ But the truth is those monsters put the ball wherever they want it. They are fantastic people and they are wizards.”

He's also honest about having played poorly in his brief chances because of nervousness, and about the encouragement he got from Coutinho and Paulinho, who wouldn't be likely to do that for an "unknown" unless they saw something quality there.

And as for leaving him "hanging" days ago, apparently Brands did just that, and now the reports say his price is significantly lower and Brands is looking to close the deal at our price.

Personally, I'm inclined to go with Brands' judgement.

Arild Andersen
120 Posted 06/08/2018 at 07:51:14
Steve (91), yes, it was Sergi Roberto. It was said Barca were ready to let him go, and then they had some injuries (?) in his position late pre-season and he really took the chance in their first team when he got it. Those things happen. That could have been a coup, an Arteta mk2.
I hope Mina will be good if he comes, still think a CB with speed AND PL experience should be brought in. I read people think Zouma could be the man, I have hardly seen him play but it looks a good deal on paper unless he is on ridicolous Chelsea wages.
Alex Carew
121 Posted 06/08/2018 at 08:25:20
It’s nice to see ya showing interest in these type of players but as soon as they drag their feet tell them to do one. We can do without players with this attitude. Have we learnt nothing from the Lukakus of the world? One good season and he will be gone, need something more settled. Move along!!
Brent Stephens
122 Posted 06/08/2018 at 08:40:53
Alex #120 "We can do without players with this attitude. Have we learnt nothing from the Lukakus of the world? One good season and he will be gone".

Not sure Lukaku is the best example - he was with us for how long?

James Marshall
123 Posted 06/08/2018 at 08:47:23
An interesting article on Mina highlighting all the things myself and a few others mentioned about him last night: Link
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
124 Posted 06/08/2018 at 08:52:38
I hope we have pre-bought the Euros.

Otherwise this price is going up by the day.

Victor Yu
125 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:03:54
"...One good season and he will be gone..."

That's better than "...Three bad seasons and he is still staying..."

I would take Lukaku over an average striker any day. We just have to accept that we are a stepping stone for most great players. Until we become a big and top club again, that will always be the case.

James Marshall
126 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:06:41
Strengths
Aerial ability in both boxes, netting three goals in three games at the World Cup
Can drive forward with the ball and push the team higher up the pitch
Good passing ability, one of the reasons Barcelona signed him

Weaknesses
Slow over short distances with nimble strikers able to get the better of him
Positioning problems, at times he appeared lost and was dragged out of place by clever forwards
Inexperienced, potentially yet another United defender who needs a wiser head beside them

Tony Everan
127 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:08:29
As well as his attributes as a defender Mina has a serious goal threat about him.

In Sigurdsson we have someone who can cross the ball with pace and accuracy from a dead ball situation. Mina will be waiting on the edge of the penalty area . He will strike the fear of god into opposition defenders for Sigurdsson’s corners and free kicks. He will be used as a centre forward in those moments. He will score a few important goals for us throughout the season.

James Marshall
128 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:18:42
Richarlison started following Mina on Twitter.

Big. News.

Chris Clark
129 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:21:05
I am hearing rumours that Spurs are now looking at him for a replacement for Toby. Could we get Sissokod again?
Alex Carew
130 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:27:18
Brent #121 I am aware of that but the guy spat the dummy out after a little bit of interest and wanted to leave almost immediately once others showed interest. The guy had so much talent and he knew it, shame he just couldn’t get over his attitude. But we conned him for a year but once Martinez went he just never looked interested (even though he was top scorer - actually our only scorer).
Ray Roche
131 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:28:24
Mike@118

Mike, as ever, a good, well thought out post.

Alex Carew
132 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:36:06
Victor #124 I agree now I think about it, rather have someone succeed and then piss off than just be shite from the off. But it would be nice to get more players like Coleman who actually give a damn about the club rather than people not remotely interested in Everton. Just heard Lyon have come in last minute and matched us so I guess he will be off there instead no doubt.
James Marshall
133 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:42:49
Alex@131

If you look a bit deeper you'll see that Lyon were linked with Mina a few days ago - they haven't just come in for him at the last minute at all, that's pure sensationalist journalism from hacks trying to make a story.

Derek Knox
134 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:51:38
Just when you start thinking that Mina is coming eventually, this Lyon link has emerged, and while there are no official statements from the Club, either refuting or endorsing them, it results in confusion.

I do hope that we may have an alternative target too, so if it does go pear shaped, we haven't lost all of our eggs, and if both come off, happy days.

That may sound a tad over-dramatic, but we are talking about a key area here, even if this is the only bit of Transfer Activity, we could manage with the midfield and forwards (not ideally) but defence deficiency is paramount

David Milner
135 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:54:57
Alex @131

You will see that it is a French newspaper that has mentioned the Lyon bid. Probably the French version of The Sun.

We had come to personal terms with Yerry Mina's agent & all that was waiting for was for us to come to an agreement with Barcelona. Barcelona have accepted our offer but have not come to an agreement with Lyon.

Yerry Mina was due back at Barcelona today after his World Cup break. Lets see where his plane lands shall we.

Rob Halligan
136 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:02:03
Apparently Aston Villa have also been rumoured to be interested in him. I kid you not.
Brent Stephens
137 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:05:12
Victor #124 - said it better than me.
James Marshall
138 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:14:30
THE LYON LINK WAS ONLINE DAYS AGO. IT IS NOT A NEW LAST MINUTE LINK.

IS ANYONE EVEN READING THIS!?!

Jesus.

Brian Williams
139 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:30:27
James. No need to shout mate. ;-)
Alex Carew
140 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:32:08
I must have missed the bit where I said they had shown no interest? I didn’t say that at all, I said they had supposedly come in last minute with a matching offer. Is that not correct? I agree I have no evidence for either, only stating what I read.
Michael Lynch
141 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:39:36
James

Interesting that the article in the Mirror by a Spanish football expert should mention Fellaini, cos that's who I thought of as soon as I watched a few YouTube vids of Mina. I remember when he first played for us, I was astonished that such a big man could have no turn of speed whatsoever. It looked like he was running in porridge. Of course Fellaini ain't a central defender, but his main attributes were his distruptiveness and his heading ability. Mina looks like he might bring the same qualities. However, Fellaini didn't need to be fast because he was never the last defender. Would Mina and Keane as a central pairing be picked apart by nippy attackers?

Ah well, can't be any worse than what we've got, and hopefully he'll chip in with 8 or 9 goals from set pieces, which we desparately need.

James Marshall
142 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:58:28
At least you're listening now, Brian ;)

Agreed Michael, I still see Fellaini running in porridge but it doesn't matter when you play his role and have elbows like he does. Mina on the other hand...

All these links to the Lyon story are on websites run by people in their bedrooms - I haven't see any from anyone *quotes* official.

Alex@139 The Internet really is full of wonder isn't it...

Sam Hoare
143 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:10:39
Phil Kirkbride now saying that no fee has been agreed. That Barca want over £30m. 67% of the time he's right every time.

They already have too many EU players so doesn't seem to me they are in position to call the shots on a player who likely can't play for them. We are desperate for a new CB but there are other options. Hope we won't be held to ransom.

Michael Lynch
144 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:16:31
If the Echo is to believed, Mina's fee is far more shocking than Richarlison's.

Barca paid tuppence for him, played him five times and want to offload him cos he won't even get a place on their bench this season. But he's now worth nearly three times what they paid for him, despite being a failure at the club. Amazing what three goals in a world cup can do. John Stones must be worth close to a billion quid on the Mina scale.

Mark Tanton
145 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:18:15
We just don’t know what’s going unfortunately! I think there’s a good chance Everton are briefing the Echo in a way which is meant to help negotiations, or just to cloudy the waters for commercial sensitivity perhaps.
Paul Mackay
146 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:31:10
Turned up for training with Barcelona today. If anything was imminent they would not have him in for one day of training. Could see him staying put.
Steve Brown
147 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:38:20
He can't stay put as they have 5 non-EU players and 3 slots. So he will be going somewhere in the next few days.

Barcelona will wait it out for a European buyer or blink in the next few days. Ours is the only firm bid on the table.

Derek Knox
148 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:38:35
Paul @145, or, maybe he left his 'lucky pants' in his locker! 🤔
Sam Hoare
149 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:50:45
This is where the Uk window closing sooner than the European one may hurt us. Barca might wait it out hoping that Lyon or other will make a better offer than the one that we have put in.

I hope we don't pay over £30m for him personally. I know there are many on here who use the 'its not our money' refrain but I don't want us to get a reputation for constantly overpaying, we only have a finite amount of cash! It also puts more pressure on the manager and the player. There are other CBs out there.

Andrew Ellams
150 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:52:03
Maybe he just turned up for work as he's paid to do.
Brian Williams
151 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:54:51
Derek #147.
At least he had a locker..........but that's another story altogether.
David Milner
152 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:57:44
The Spanish sites out here in Spain, Mundo Deportivo especially, are saying that we have agreed a fee with Barcelona. Mundo Deportivo IS a Barcelona based newspaper.

Barcelona have problems with 5 non EU players on their books. Mina, Coutinho, just signed Arthur & Malcolm, & Arturo Vidal due in shortly.

Coutinho's EU passport will not be available till Christmas at the earliest which will mean Vidal just involved in training till then.

There is no place for Mina whatsoever. It may just mean Barcelona loaning him out for a year then selling him. Arthur, Malcolm & Vidal have no way of obtaining a EU passport.

Mina will prpbably be here for a medical tomorrow or Wednesday.

James Marshall
153 Posted 06/08/2018 at 12:11:47
I agree the fact he's training with Barca doesn't mean anything with regard a transfer. He's under contract with them and therefore required to attend training like the rest of their players.

He does surely have to move this window though - he sure as hell ain't gonna get a game over there with the EU restrictions. It's a delicate one for Barca because if they hold out for Lyon and that falls through, then they're stuck with Mina on their books.

I'd guess Barca will/have agreed a fee perhaps with both clubs and leave it up to Mina/agent to work it out before the end of the week.

Dave Williams
154 Posted 06/08/2018 at 12:24:19
I would be very surprised if he comes to us. The stories coming out seem to suggest he is looking everywhere before Merseyside and Barca look to be after more than he is worth. I remember back to Dean Saunders, Bruce Rioch (he then changed his mind for more money) and many more who just didn't seem to want to come to Everton and this guy seems the same to me.

Do I want him? I have only seen his World Cup games and he looked the type we need but I am happy to trust Silva and Brands. The reaction on ToffeeWeb to these rumours is priceless – some get excited and others think it's the end of the world. Who would be a football manager!!

Steve Hewitt
155 Posted 06/08/2018 at 12:44:40
This is going to be a tight week from a timings perspective – he's in Barcelona, needs to get here, have a medical etc by Thursday evening. If he is really serious about this and is coming he needs to be on a flight tonight to demonstrate his desire.

Hopefully, as some have said, the deal is set up so it should be able to happen quickly but I'm a tad concerned about the reported agent fee hurdle and Lyon hovering in the background ready to step in anytime and scupper the whole thing. (I also hear Spurs are sniffing too.)

Mr Brands and Co have a lot to accomplish by close of business on Thursday and should be working on other deals, including an alternative for Mina. They cannot afford to be spinning their wheels if Mina is dragging his heels – it is too important a week for any shenanigans. I'm looking for some urgency from Mina to evidence he is excited to be coming.

All that said, I reckon M&M are a pair of smart cookies and they will be looking to cover all the bases to get the right deals over the line for Marco to have a fair crack until the next window.

As things stand, even with some of the proposed signings mentioned above, I don't think we will see the best of this new-look Everton until the second half of the season; it usually takes time to bring a new team and philosophy together. If we can be in the top 10 by January and be playing stylish attacking football, we would be in a good place to push on and who knows – anything can happen from there – but be prepared for it to take longer.

We need to be patient and back these guys to the hilt and encourage every player in a blue shirt – even when they get it wrong.

COYB!!

Christy Ring
156 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:03:13
A new centre-back is a top priority. I read a report from a Spanish journalist, who said, in the little game time he had at Barcelona, he didn't do well. He's only 23, looked good in the World Cup, and a big improvement on what we have, and great in the air. A lot better signing than Rojo, who we're linked with, for the same money. The biggest problem we have, nothing ever runs smoothly when it comes to buying players.
Ajay Gopal
157 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:13:59
Sam (148), I beg to differ. "This is where the UK window closing sooner than the European one may hurt us.".

I actually think once the Premier League window closes, there will be fewer suitors for him, and they will know Barcelona's desperation to off-load him and that will drive the price down. European Clubs know that once the money-bag Premier League clubs' window shuts, the prices will go south.

Ladies and Gentlemen, fasten your seat-belts, the next 3 days will be fascinating.

Derek Knox
158 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:15:35
Christy how very true, but the same could be said, when trying to ship players out too.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

159 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:33:29
Ajay and Sam.

I know it was called for by managers, clubs and fans alike, but I am not in favour of the English transfer window closing before the season starts. Overall, I think it prejudices (PL) teams chances of landing their prime targets at 'reasonable' prices, although all prices seem absurdly inflated these days.

I voiced the same opinion last year: given the different starting dates of all the European national leagues, it is impossible to settle on a single uniform transfer deadline day acceptable to all.

Like other wrinklies, I recall how in the past the transfer window remained open nearly all year round, only closing in April for a couple of months to the end of the season.

I'm really not convinced limiting clubs and players to two small windows in the year serves anyone's best interests. I'm not even sure, if challenged in court, if it is even legal.

The situation is all the more compounded for English clubs this year in that very little business is typically done during the tournament in a WC year, together with losing a full 3 weeks off previous summer transfer windows under this system.

Alan J Thompson
160 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:37:29
I take it he's played enough internationals not to have too much trouble with a work permit?
Raymond Fox
161 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:40:59
Is Mina the right player for us? We are all complaining about the defence but from what I read he's far from a steady/good defender.

It shows how desperate we are to actually sign someone/anyone.
Its main reason why we have recruited badly over the last few years, we just cant attract the quality players we really need.

Second best will not advance us up the table, we are always hoping to get lucky.

John Pierce
162 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:45:49
Mike, it might pay to take those Barcelona spectacles off, the ones you wear when the blue tinting ones aren’t on. 😎

The player has consistently pushed Everton to the side to any other suitor that’s been mentioned in the press. He has hesitated about joining us. He is getting kicked out of Barca because he is surplus to requirements and hasn’t made the grade. That should be enough to worry anyone.

Everton before have bought, Digne who is bound to be nice about his mate so let’s ignore that subjective witness statement eh, that’s worth nothing to anyone. Platitudes are lovely but what else would you expect? “This lad is shite, swerve him Everton.”

Refreshing but unlikely.

We’ve also bought Geri. Buying casts offs from Barca or any club players who don’t make it is a poor policy. We have done with United for years now Barcelona have a direct line to the club too.

You buy players who are on an upward curve. Stones, Lookman, Richarlson, Holgate etc.

Not Bloomquivst, Neville, Rooney, Williams, Schniederlin, Digne etc.

I’m sorry but the step down is a clear one to Everton and you are expecting that player to be motivated or hungry?

Sorry the timeline and media noise around this fella is alarming.

And as for those of you thinking he’s a goal threat, let’s find a lad who can defend first before we get carried away.

Only two centre halves on the last 30 years were a global threat for Everton. Mountfield and Lescott. Both could defend and have the goal record to match.

Tom Bowers
163 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:47:49
Your so right Raymond. Getting quality players when your team has been also rans or less for many year is very difficult.

Everton are generally these days not known as a big club.

A lot of benchwarmers at top clubs are probably earning bigger wages than game starters at Everton and that's why transfers in are so protracted as some players are after the same or even more loot.

After getting stiffed over the Gylfi deal I suspect Moshiri is loathe to have it happen again.

Tony Everan
164 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:17:00
Lyon will verbally offer the player, agent and Barcelona the earth in excess of what we are offering.

Then when the Premier League transfer window shuts, and we are out of the game, they will back track.

Barca / Mina, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Amit Vithlani
165 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:30:14
It's yet another colossal fee we are paying, but you know what, I am just glad we are buying him, as I like this lad and I think he will be a monster (not famous last words I hope!).

That said, I hope Silva is not seeking "refuge for weak coaches" (his words, not mine) by buying a big unit without coaching the side to defend properly. Zonal marking has been very suspect in pre-season and you could have Southall, Mountfield and Ratcliffe at their zenith and still leak a bunch of goals without proper organisation.

Justin Doone
166 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:43:24
Unconvinced in his quality and in our ability to sign a top class player that we need. Barca have some great midfielders and forwards but defensively I'm unsure if they suit.

That means it's more likely to happen than not but I hope he's not the only one.

Mark Taylor
167 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:51:31
John 160,

To be fair, I'm not sure I'd put Neville in the same category as the others. Granted he has less innate football talent than pretty much anyone of recent vintage – maybe Niasse aside – but he was effective for us, gave it everything and certainly made the most of the limited talent he had.

I also take your point about Mina. In these situations, weaker players will indeed be more likely to coast and likely ultimately fade away from the game at the highest level, but the ones with mental toughness and self-belief will just want to work even harder to prove their critics wrong.

Hopefully this guy is in the latter camp, if we get him.

John Pierce
168 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:59:11
Whoops 😬 post 160. Global > Goal
Mike Gaynes
169 Posted 06/08/2018 at 15:04:50
Tony #162, from what I've read Lyon cannot match our rumored offer financially. What they can offer that we can't is CL football.

David #151, spot on regarding the non-EU player situation for Barca, and the possibility of a Mina loan.

John #160, other young or in-their-prime players who have been "kicked out of Barca" because they were deemed "surplus to requirements" have been Maradona, Ronaldo, Alexis Sanchez, Neymar, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Luis Figo and Thiago Alcantara. (And of those only Figo and Neymar really wanted to leave.) So Barca ain't perfect, and taking their castoffs isn't necessarily a bad idea. Geri notwithstanding.

Mark #165, he did force his way into a Colombia side that performed pretty well at the WC, so maybe that says something for his drive. He hadn't played in many WC qualifiers but didn't give up.

Colin Metcalfe
170 Posted 06/08/2018 at 15:34:45
€32M! Wow such an inflated price for a player who had just a few good games at the World Cup, I fear our club will go bust if we keep spending silly money on average players.

At least my missus will be happy as she is from Medellin!

Justin Doone
171 Posted 06/08/2018 at 15:43:30
Yes I would take Wellbeck. Scored goals where ever he's been and works hard. Fitness is the only concern. He's a co-ordinated Niasse.

Bryan from Bristol City going to Villa. He's an absolute steal, we should get him to challenge Baines or loan him until next season. He'll be a top player. He reminds me of a young Baines.

Digne? Mina?? Surely we can do better with £50m?

Mark Taylor
172 Posted 06/08/2018 at 15:47:27
Mike 168, I hope you're right but I think there is a bit of a difference between how you might approach national selection and your outlook on your club, who after all are your employers long term in a way a national team is not.

I would imagine it is only human for players who are forced to make a step down- and realistically, that is what we are and not even in CL to compensate- to risk becoming somewhat disillusioned. It would be like you or me getting demoted at work or having to move to a lesser job, even if the pay is good. I think you need a fair amount of spirit to cope with that and rebound.

It made me think about who else has taken a signficant step down, but then thrived, excluding those at the tail end of their career. For some reason Mendieta sprang to mind, Valencia, Lazio (when they were good) and Barca, then to Middlesborough. I think he was only 28 so still in his prime.

I suspect the list of players doing this and kicking on to greater things is not as long as the ones who didn't.

Fran Mitchell
173 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:02:01
Inflated price? Find me an international centre-half, widely considered one of the best of his age group, available for less?

Maguire is quoted at being £50+ million, Gibson is a Championship player and cost £15 million. £30 million in today's market is standard.

He has all the attributes to be top top class, but yes, he has some flaws, if he didn't, we wouldn't have a chance. Personally hope this comes off.

Worth remembering Barça only got him cheap because they had already purchased 'first option' as part of the deal that took him to Palmeiras.

Justin Doone
174 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:06:05
The work permit comment made me laugh. Its so ridiculous it's probably true and why no other English team want him as they have done their homework i.e. Utd soon pulled out.

Let's give him a 6 year contract anyway and loan him back out to another EU club.

Why can't Bill tell the Home Office there actually cultural 'entertainers' for a musical he's working on and sort out the paperwork at a later date i.e. When selling.

My laugh has suddenly turned to fear... A Mina mystery, in A minor

Paul Birmingham
175 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:18:46
Along side Lascelles and or Zouma, would feel easier and more flex to cope with slick pace and movement other teams have in abundance on the attack, counter attack.

The team must loose its pedestrian style, else another rerun of last year is on the cards.

Paul Birmingham
176 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:25:26
Is this another rumour and will this one happen? Conflicting stories in the media, I’m airing caution based on what normally happens, with last minute signings. Just under 2 days, and to get any players in, will be some achievement.
Michael Morgan
177 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:33:27
Justin @170,

Bryan over Digne, really, are you high?!

I've heard it all now, my god you are having a laugh.

One is a Championship player, no more no less, if not, why hasn't he already been snapped up by a Premiership team. He's not an international, and has played for Bath, Plymouth and Bristol and is almost 25.

The other is a French international, that has played for PSG, Roma and Barcelona and only just turned 25.

At best I'd get him as a cheap backup for Digne once Baines leaves or retires.

John Hughes
178 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:59:28
Michael (177). Similar things were said about another full-back we signed from over the water. The one and only Seamus Coleman.
Andrew Ellams
179 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:02:12
John, we didn't buy Seamus instead of a player with Digne's pedigree.
Michael Lynch
180 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:11:12
Lyon's president is talking up a Mina transfer now according to the Red Echo.

We'll end up paying £35m plus add-ons, and giving him a five year contract worth £5m a year.

Nathan Jones
181 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:20:12
There seems to be lots of disagreement about if he’s any good, if he can defend, if he’s quick and mobile, if we should try and sign players from smaller clubs who see Everton as a step up, weather we should sign players who don’t say yes immediately etc...

But there is one massive positive, this was brands / Silva’s number one CB target and we’ve hung in there, and it looks like we’re going to get him. Let’s be honest none of us have seen him play much or know how good he is, but the two guys who run the football club had his has number one choice so let’s be happy if they get it and see how good he is.

As a side note from what I saw at the World Cup he was awesome.

Tony Williams
182 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:27:25
Get Lacelles.
Paul Birmingham
183 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:27:35
Looking for the inside pieces of the jig saw, in context of the squad. Rotton core is being removed, but the infill and tim3 is really against the club.

It will be some kudos to MB, the club and some rays of hope for this season.

John G Davies
184 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:41:03
Tony (#182),

Agree 100%. Buying players on the back of a good world cup invariably ends in tears.

Lee Paige
185 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:42:49
I really don’t care now what we pay for a CB as long as they are better than what we currently have because if we don’t buy anyone we are in for a rough season. Not sure if Silva will survive playing the way he wants.
Mike Gaynes
186 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:49:22
Mark #172, I'm sure you're right with your last line, but more players fail than succeed at big clubs like Barca anyway, so my point was that avoiding them might not be a great idea.

I don't remember Mendieta well, but of my list in post 169, you can easily pick out players who kicked on to greatness despite dropping to "lesser" teams from Barcelona. Both AC Milan and PSG would have been considered steps down for Ibra, but he scored a goal a game for them. And of course Napoli was a football backwater until Maradona became "surplus" at Barca.

Frank Crewe
187 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:58:17
How many of you complained that our competitors were spending big because they had a rich owner? So we get a rich owner and now there are complaints that we are spending too much. Paying over the odds has become the norm. For all you Ron Managers there is no more wheeling and dealing or picking up a bargain and polishing him up in the reserves. There is no reserves for one thing. These days transfers have to be first team ready. They sink or swim from day one. If we want to buy international players from clubs like Barcelona we have to stump up the cash so get used to it because it isn't going to change anytime soon.
Whether Mina is worth the fee is for the club to decide. Even though it's difficult after the Koeman transfers fiasco last summer we have to trust Silva and Brands to make the right decisions. If we end up at the right end of the table they did. If we end up at the wrong end they didn't and they'll be out on their arse and we'll be looking for new management once more.
Michael Morgan
188 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:01:00
John @178,

The purchase of Coleman was the equivalent of buying a non-league player, and him making it in the Premier league.

It happens about once a decade with the odds being very slim.

Joe McMahon
189 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:05:18
It always gonna be tough for any Everton manager to recruit the standard of players we need. The club has no CL history, won nothing in decades and the stadium is let's face it is an a embarrassment.

If it was the early 80s Liverpool are Nottingham Forrest and Everton are Notts County It's just the way it is.

Don Alexander
190 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:05:36
Frank (#186), I tend to agree with you but I'm guessing that unless we're really flirting with the drop by March both M&Ms are here for three or four Windows minimum, progress being measurable from one to the other ideally, and definitely so after next summer's.
Christy Ring
191 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:35:59
We're still no further on in the Mina transfer, despite all the speculation. Thursday is deadline day, so we should make a final offer to Barcelona, take it or leave it, to give us time to buy another centreback. We ended up taking Mangala in the final hours last January, a panic signing, so we can't make the same mistake, I'd put Rojo in the same bracket.
Daniel A Johnson
192 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:47:09
Get in Lascelles and Lindeloff now.

Both quality young defenders both different and both better than Jags and powder puff Keane

Terry White
193 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:52:17
Daniel (#191), has Newcastle said that Lascelles is available for sale? Has Manure said Lindelof is available? Has Chelsea said Loftus-Cheek or Zouma is available? How do we "get them in now"?
Jim Jennings
194 Posted 06/08/2018 at 19:08:15
Mike Gaynes

There’s a big difference between selling a player for a world record fee, especially when that player wants to move (Neymar, Ronaldo, Maradona, Figo) than binning a squad player or a youth who hasn’t made the grade (Digne, Deulofeu, Mina)

Daniel A Johnson
195 Posted 06/08/2018 at 19:16:52
Terry WHite

Like any transfer you make a bid and money talks.

The toon are on their Knees needing cash so a bid for Lascelles would most likely tempt them.

As for Lindelöf he had a bad match against Huddersfield and the moody bastard Mourinho dropped him for most of the season. Plus with them courting Maguire a bid could tempt them.

Jimmy Hogan
196 Posted 06/08/2018 at 19:49:19
The latest twist renders any further discussion irrelevant. Lyons' President has just issued a statement saying that he rates Mina and Lyon can offer Champions League football. He will chose them. That's what he really wants, even if the wages are less.

See the Echo. Sorry, I don't know how to provide a link.

Colin Glassar
197 Posted 06/08/2018 at 19:49:30
We got Bernard!!
Chris Clark
198 Posted 06/08/2018 at 20:49:56
Can he just put us all out of our misery and sign a contract. I don't care where he signs it just as long as he does it.
Terry White
199 Posted 06/08/2018 at 23:06:07
Daniel (#194), the Toons have been signing quite a few new players and there is no mention of them needing money. If they do not want to sell Lascelles, just like if we do not want to sell Pickford, then it does not matter how much you offer for a player, unless you think we should offer silly money for Lascelles and/or Lindelof. Your words "could tempt them" are probably pretty accurate - could but won't.
Adam Carey
200 Posted 07/08/2018 at 00:09:46
It's on Sky Sports as a rumour but they are reporting Mina as being offered to Man Utd by Barcelona as a makeweight with another player plus £45M for Pogba. This could drag...
Colin Glassar
201 Posted 07/08/2018 at 10:07:24
Mina been given permission not to train with Barca this morning pending transfer. Everton or Lyons?
Richard Lyons
202 Posted 07/08/2018 at 11:29:37
Colin @201 - I'll happily put him up while he gets settled ;-)
Michael Lynch
203 Posted 07/08/2018 at 12:01:05
The papers still reckon he'll end up at ManUre and we'll end up with one of their cast-offs. Not sure which of Smalling, Rojos and Lindelof is the least disappointing option. Though I guess starting the season with Keane and Jags is probably the most worrying thought.
Phil Greenough
204 Posted 07/08/2018 at 16:55:00
BBC gossiping, Man United have offered £35 million.
Jason Broome
205 Posted 07/08/2018 at 19:13:20
In my humble opinion if we sign him... Who should partner Mina.

Smalling is highly under-rated. He is a leader, solid, has amazing fitness and puts in a shift. No matter who else arrives he always makes it back into the first team to partner Bailly. Says a lot really.

Lindelof struggled in his first season at United and caused concern for United fans. However he has improved and is considered to be a better option than Rojo. He can also hit a pass better than the other two. Out of the three a lot of United fans would let Rojo go.

Rojo is over-rated and not much better than Funes Mori. Very late tackler who struggles under pressure and can sometimes be found out of position. Not the commanding centre-back we are looking for. Another £30 Million mistake waiting to happen.

Grant Rorrison
206 Posted 07/08/2018 at 22:32:01

I am not totally sold on Mina the more I watch highlights of him and read about him. I think we could use someone like Smalling playing alongside him. We're going to possibly have a first choice defence with 2 players that have never played premier league football before. Jagielka is done and playing Keane alongside them sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
Mike Gaynes
207 Posted 07/08/2018 at 22:34:49
Smalling is a blunder machine. Tremendously talented player who makes repeated mistakes under pressure. Absolutely not what we need.
Grant Rorrison
208 Posted 07/08/2018 at 22:43:43
Mike 207. If you say so Mike. It's not reflected in his stats.

http://www2.squawka.com/players/chris-smalling/stats#performance-score#manchester-united-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2017/2018#819#all-matches#1-38#by-match

We're being linked with a loan for Zouma now. Another defender I'd probably prefer to Mina. Or at least playing alongside him. Is he a 'blunder machine' in your opinion too?

Jason Broome
209 Posted 08/08/2018 at 01:10:31
Coming at this from a logical stand point I would rather have Zouma than Mina. Because like Shakira's hips 'the stats don't lie.'

We never learn. Lasts seasons flavour of the month Sigurðsson divided ToffeeWeb on his valuation and his stats.

Some believed that Sigurðsson was the messiah who would take us forward. We wasted time obsessed with a £45 Million free kick specialist who had super human leadership qualities.

Some of us threw up the stats contradicting the hype and got shut down. Not saying Sigurðsson isn't a good player but £45 Million?

Mina has done little to earmark a £30 Million + price tag. Wasting valuable days chasing this dude because he had a good world cup is crazy.

How much would he have been worth prior to the world cup?

Why did he not play much more than 6 times for Barcelona?

If he is such a player worthy of £100 Million then why are Barcelona cashing in for £30 Million?

Zouma and Mina are the same age.

Mina is F605 and Zouma is F603. Zouma has a bigger frame and is harder to muscle off of the ball. Mina goes down a little to easy.

Zouma was named Chelsea's players, player of the year in their Premiership winning team of 2014-2015.

Zouma was earmarked as John Terry's direct replacement due to his talent, ability and physical attributes.

Zouma played 31 times in a team boasting of Cahill, Ivanovic and John Terry.

Zouma was considered in the top 10 best young players in Europe.

Zouma can play as a defensive midfielder.

Zouma was held back due to an injury of which he has fully recovered.

Zouma has Premiership and Champions League pedigree and wont have a problem with the pace of the English game.

Zouma has strength, power, speed, and leadership qualities and has been likened to both John Terry and Toby Aldeweireld in his abilities.

Mina had a good world cup against Poland, Senegal and England and played 6 times for Barcelona. Not saying he's not good but equally (for the premiership) not proven.

So... note to self:
Switch of Newsnow, put down the subjective, over-hyped newspapers and think who you would rather have in defence come winter?

James Marshall
210 Posted 08/08/2018 at 08:47:10
That paragon of fact based journalism the Daily Star are claiming Everton have agreed a fee with Barca and personal terms with Mina but he still hasn't signed - likely waiting to hear if Utd or Lyon want him.

Personally I'd rather we didn't sign him anyway.

Andy Williams
211 Posted 08/08/2018 at 10:08:19
Lots of noise coming from Spain today saying it's a done deal. One thing that I find very positive is that Lyon want him. They tend to develop players rather than paying over the odds for them
Kase Chow
212 Posted 08/08/2018 at 11:36:23
If this guy was coming to Everton then he’d be signed up by now

It’s ain’t happening

Dermot Byrne
213 Posted 08/08/2018 at 11:41:23
Cannot find a thread to put this on.

By God The Sun still hates the RS.

Link

Mark Tanton
214 Posted 08/08/2018 at 11:44:14
Kase he’s going somewhere. If we don’t get him I feel unusually confident for an Evertonian that we’ll get someone else in. Brands and Silva seem to know exactly what they need.
James Marshall
215 Posted 08/08/2018 at 12:33:56
Yeah I'm seeing reports that he's definitely signing for us today.

In Spain they seem pretty convinced he'll be an Everton player.

Cope radio in Spain said this: En cuestión de horas se hará oficial la salida de Yerry Mina al Everton.

Translation: In a matter of hours the departure of Yerry Mina to Everton will be official.

James Marshall
216 Posted 08/08/2018 at 12:35:36
Cope also said: Yerry Mina a un paso de convertirse en nuevo jugador del Everton. Habría acuerdo entre clubes por 32 millones y firmaría cinco temporadas. Se están cerrando los últimos detalles de la operación

Translation: Yerry Mina is one step away from becoming a new Everton player. There would be agreement between clubs for 32 million and it would sign five seasons. The last details of the operation are closing

Kunal Desai
217 Posted 08/08/2018 at 19:53:57
The deal is done and apparently will have a medical at Finch Farm tomorrow.
Kase Chow
218 Posted 08/08/2018 at 20:01:06
Kunal #217

How do you know this mate? (I hope you’re right)

Kunal Desai
219 Posted 08/08/2018 at 21:39:03
Reported on some news outlets, how reliable I don't know. Lets see tomorrow what materialises.
Steve Ferns
220 Posted 08/08/2018 at 22:13:31
Sky Sports News aren't listing Mina as one of their Man Utd targets. Do they know something they can't report yet?
Bill Gienapp
221 Posted 08/08/2018 at 22:26:27
If ever there were a "I'll believe it when I see him holding the scarf" situation, it's Mina.

That being said, I have a sneaky feeling this deal will go through. I've never bought that United are seriously interested in him, and Lyon can't match our offer - all they can do is keep bleating about the Champion's League in the press (as if they're any sort of factor in the tournament) and hope Mina tries to force a move to them.

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