Negotiations between the Blues, the Spanish club and the Colombian international have dragged on for weeks with no apparent resolution and Everton reportedly ready to call off their pursuit.
Mina was said to be holding out for a move to a bigger club or one at least able to offer him Champions League football, with Lyon interested and Manchester United his favoured destination.
It does not appear as though there was reciprocal admiration from Jose Mourinho, however, and it could now be that Mina will agree to a big-money switch to Goodison Park.
The Sport report claims that only the finishing touches need to be put on the deal and that Mina will sign a five-year contract but L'Equipe disagree, reporting that the defender would prefer Lyon.
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1 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:07:03
2 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:09:58
3 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:13:39
Then maybe we shouldn't be surprised at Everton's ploy of "we're backing out of this" actually working.
4 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:14:07
5 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:18:52
I really hope its truI because hes an absolute beast.
6 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:23:01
At this rate we are going to be scratching around on deadline day and end up getting either somebody we don't really need or somebody who isn't good enough or nobody at all.
Frustrates the hell out of me watching other clubs seemingly signing players at will while we watch on as our top targets get hoovered up.
7 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:27:06
8 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:28:49
Assuming they land Alderweireld, they'll need to unload one or two of their centre-backs. Seal the Mina deal, pounce on Lindelof (forget Rojo) and get Drinkwater in on loan and then we'll be cooking with gas this season.
9 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:33:01
10 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:35:30
11 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:36:01
12 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:42:07
The only reason it seems other clubs are able to wrap up signings instantly is because you dont sit and follow those clubs every move. They go through negotiations and can take time as well. It also helps to be in a position of power, which right now we are not. Easier to convince a player to go to Spurs than Everton at the moment, for obvious reasons.
13 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:43:11
14 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:47:43
15 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:48:07
They do report that both Barca and Mina overstepped in these negotiations. Barca asked Man Utd for 40, and Mina asked for a huge salary increase, and Jose said screw it.
The result is that Barca must sell Mina now because the signings of Malcom and Arturo Vidal have them with 6 non-EU players, which is too many for La Liga. Both Barca and Mina will have to take much less than they had asked for in order to get this deal done by Thursday.
And in a really weird twist, we could wind up seeing Mina in uniform next Saturday -- against us. Wolves are in for him.
Oh, and one more thing -- Mina has gotten an enthusiastic Everton invitation/endorsement from Digne. Quote from the Echo: ”I said to him to come but well see. Really I dont know. Hes a good player and a good guy.”
16 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:51:57
I dont agree that Richarlison is a bang average player though.
Yes we paid a lot of money for Siggy and Richarlison but when you consider championship clubs paying around £10m on players you havent heard of on a regular basis it puts miur spending in perspective!
Richarlison and Siggy will, in my opinion, prove their worth this year.
17 Posted 05/08/2018 at 20:59:03
18 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:00:15
Not sure how I feel about it. Hes not the fastest and certainly has some mistakes in him. Him and Keane would make for a pretty immobile pairing. But if nothing else he should be fun to have at corners and FKs!
19 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:02:02
If true then we might get him for less (€32m obviously comes with a WC premium).
Either way I dont care if were his 14th choice as long as hes good and puts the effort in. If he leaves in 2-3 years time having done a decent job, then so be it.
We need a decent CB badly.
20 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:02:43
21 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:03:00
That's what worries me, the only thing I've read about him is that he's slow. I just watched the highlights of his nightmare game for Barca at Levante and he was dreadful. Static and back on his heels for the goals. I'm hoping that was a one-off.
22 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:05:20
23 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:05:42
24 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:10:36
25 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:13:55
That's us screwed then
26 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:17:25
That said, we've been caught out on crosses often in games so a big centre half who can command in the air might pay dividends.
I'd never heard of him before the world cup either. I'd never heard of Digne before we signed him either. Both players have now had some Barcelona coaching which means they'll fit in perfectly at Everton. Yeah I know.
27 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:17:55
28 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:19:19
And the striker from Celtic. Then bring on the new season
29 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:19:35
30 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:23:18
Personally I think Keane will be 3rd choice CB.
31 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:26:13
Then there is a player with good or bad stats. Gets a little exchange going on TW from time to time but in the end they are with another team, have different manager and fellow players and loads of other things that make simple stats unreliable.
Be glad when to whole cattle market is over and can just watch some bloody football.
32 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:31:03
Also, Im not sure how slow he really is. I suspect like Keane that he takes his time to get moving but unlike Keane I reckon his top speed is pretty good. Hope so anyway!
33 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:31:29
What he doesn't have is experience. He will make mistakes, lots of them. But this is a kid who stepped up into a starting role at a WC and scored three goals. Have a little faith.
His "lack of pace" is a TW fable, invented by ?? and repeated frequently, probably mostly by those who didn't actually see him play.
34 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:33:43
35 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:39:07
Havent seen a lot of Mina but what I did see in the world cup was him getting spun inside out by pacy forwards.
Hopefully if true, Brands and Silva have got this one right because if one things for sure we desperately need to improve at the back.
Next signing has got to be a quality centre mid Schneiderlain is getting worse he looks more of a coward the more he plays.
36 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:39:23
37 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:44:23
38 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:45:16
39 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:47:02
Is lindoff quick, Im not sure or lacelles either- lacelles has looked very good every time Ive seen him. Replacing Morgan is just as important he seems a really toxic influence
40 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:49:34
He is after all 9ft tall.
41 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:50:19
He is coming to the right club, he will play every week and get better over the next couple of seasons.
He certainly wont be overawed by any of the top 6 . Thats the type of player we want. The only downside will be the regulatory Barca-buyback clause. But we will have to live with that because Mina probably wants it too.
If Brands gets him over the line, he deserves a lot of credit.
If we can do some smart business regarding a Central Midfielder this will start to look like a major transfer window for us. One that will transform our club from the dreadful demoralised outfit of last season to a new, dynamic, fearless team.
Digne,Richarlison and Mina are 3 quality signings. One more to come .
With the players out and players in we could have hardly hoped for better.
42 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:50:39
43 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:52:02
I hope we are in for one more centre back on top of Mina but that's doubtful.
An interesting week ahead of us.
44 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:53:37
I still worry about the striker position and if we could Mina plus one that would be spot on in my books!
45 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:56:21
46 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:57:18
If we dont get anyone else in Im just chuffed weve gotten rid of Williams and Mirallas at last.
47 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:58:02
48 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:58:24
49 Posted 05/08/2018 at 21:58:46
more strength back there and I don't think Holgate is the answer although he may help as a right back.
Let's wait and see if Silva get's him and another class attacking midfielder now that Klassen has gone (LOL)
50 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:00:58
Maybe it's me holding Everton in such high esteem, which is not shared by any others away from us, that is invoking that feeling.
Kudos to Marcel Brands, for us eventually getting our number one Target, hope I'm not too early in those congratulations.
51 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:01:30
Indeed, in one of those seasons he helped them win their first title in 20 odd years.
He actually wasn't a regular as in each season he picked up an injury that side lined him for months.
When he did play he was a presence in both penalty areas.
Defensively, he is best against a more traditional and static number 9. He can be troubled more by more nimble and fleet forwards which abound in the PL.
He cannot be described with 'excellent' pace, but nor is he 'slow'.
He would certainly make a better fist of getting his head on the end of crosses coming into our penalty area than our defence has managed in the last 12 months.
Disappointed like others that Mason Holgate's injury has curtailed his preseason. I want to believe he can become a vital component of Silva's Everton.
52 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:02:14
But the sheer physical talent is undeniable, and maybe he'll learn to turn quicker with better anticipation and footwork. Unlike Keane, who could be psychic about what's coming and would still be an aircraft carrier on the turn.
53 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:02:20
54 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:03:27
If Silva is going with a three in midfield we will need those three players to be industrious, creative, tenacious and pass well and he reminds me of Reidy which is high praise from me
55 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:04:16
56 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:04:56
57 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:05:06
I agree, Brands is no fool and the Agent and Mina have overplayed their hands. I expect this to happen at the last moment as the agent capitulates for a much lower fee than is exaggerated and leaked by him to save face.
58 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:11:44
59 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:12:14
60 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:13:16
61 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:21:09
Neither would be willing to let arguably their best player go, without either a fight or financial compensation, which would probably mean paying over the odds.
To get Lascelles as well as Mina would certainly transform us, but would be surprised if it happened.
62 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:21:25
63 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:27:36
His strength, height, power and yes, pace could make him a beast of a defender.
Think of how many times we worried whenever a top striker comes running at our defense, this guy has the tools to win battles like that more often than not.
Not to mention the fact that he is good for 6/7 goals from set-pieces, especially with Sigurdsson taking them.
Would still hope to see anothee come in, especially with holgate's injury, maybe go for Lascelles and offer Keane as part of the deal. Of go big and make a move for de Ligt.
Then go and get Loftus-Cheek or Grealish and Drinkwater, and Dembele from Celtic.
That would cement our place in 7th, and maybe offer the chance to go further if Chelsea, Utd or Arsenal tumble.
64 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:29:06
65 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:30:43
66 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:33:09
I reckon he'd be useful but I think this is agent talk to get United to move; can't see it happening.
67 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:35:06
Man Utd are struggling to even agree who they want – and then get it done.
Man City have only one singing...
So please stop the sarcastic negative comments about our club and our management team – that includes Moshiri, Kenwright, Brands, Silva and Ferguson.
Sense and Sensibility... let's see where we get to... Silva's methods will make huge improvements.
I just want safety – we have not replaced the goals; only Walcott can fix this and maybe Richarlson. Tosun is 12 -15 goals. Niasse is 6 to 10. Calvert-Lewin is 3 to 5.
Let's wait and see... with everything crossed and supportive of everyone at EFC.
68 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:35:16
Did Silva / Brands know anything about this player before the World Cup? I suspect not... which is a worry, because it smacks of desperation.
What I do know is that once again we let two centre backs leave without having a replacement signed first which is the way it should be done.
69 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:37:29
I love the negativity re a player hardly anyone has seen, targeted by Man Utd and on the books of Barca. Welcome to TW.
70 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:38:04
71 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:38:16
Isn't that where we were last week? So he'll still try to hold out?
72 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:39:02
73 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:40:03
Possibly, just possibly, that's what they've actually done?!
74 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:42:26
George, I love a pessimist!
75 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:47:21
LB, CB and LW this window for around £100m. I wanted to see quality, not quantity and I hope this is exactly that. Time will tell. I do like the look of Mina, and he certainly fits the Silva Profile.
Don't worry about the rest of the signings, this is a process, and it doesn't matter about getting the players now, as long as we have enough of them to fit into a good 11 now, and can get us back to 7th. Silva gets his sides flying out the blocks and expect things to be different come Saturday. We can add to the team with the right players in the next few windows, and properly build a team.
76 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:48:02
I honestly don't mind if it's Mina or Rojo (or somebody else entirely). Even if we only get a couple of years out of either, they're both an improvement on what we have and I they give their all for the shirt, fucking welcome!
77 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:48:35
78 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:49:22
Out of curiosity, did you see yet the SHAMELESS (IMO) Neymar Gillete advert that was aired in Brazil this last week?
A 'mea culpa' both excusing and justifying his tumbling antics at the WC. For me, it echoed the Tiger Woods Nike ad in the wake of the golfer's scandals breaking a few years back, which used his respected father and mentor Earl's words together with a black and white non-speaking image of Tiger.
Dunno if it's just for the domestic market, or gone global. It's a really nauseating clip. Neymar's 'sincerity' earned him $250,000 from Gillete, according to some reports.
79 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:54:35
And yeah, what on earth does that have to do with razors?
80 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:56:07
I guess the proof will be next Saturday but if Morgan is not replaced my expectation is 0 even if we get 2 centre backs
81 Posted 05/08/2018 at 22:58:55
82 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:01:19
I am delighted to report that Zorra, a Saturday night satirical comedy show on Brazil's leading TV station, made this the opening skit last night.
Brazilians are very defensive about any real or perceived criticism of their country, or one of their own, so it was reassuring to see such a high profile show 'not buying it'.
83 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:01:35
Razor ads are up there with perfume ads as being the most irrelevant pretentious wank ever displayed on a screen... Double rant over – haha!
84 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:01:52
Yes, you would definitely think a club of Everton's size and stature would know exactly what they're buying and how well the player will fit into the squad. But Per Krøldrup. And Davy Klaassen. And... well there's quite a few isn't there?
If we do sign Mina, I hope they've got it right. And certainly at 6'-4" he should add some presence in both defence and attack for set-pieces.
85 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:01:53
86 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:02:01
As long as he's breathing and has some sort of pulse, he gets picked, but I attribute a lot of the failings in midfield down to his lack of commitment.
87 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:02:38
88 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:05:26
But yeh, I fear Morgan is such a weak link, he really offers nothing.
89 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:09:12
I have one simple question: How many of the current squad, could be described as: '...the only player in World Cup history to.....'. Exactly!
90 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:09:42
Very true, but I believe Brands is a bit more of a coy and thorough professional than the eejits behind some of our most recent exploits 👍🏻
If he does come I cant see him being anything other than an upgrade on Jags or Keane. Will just have to wait and see
91 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:10:55
If Brands and Silva want Mina, let's trust em til there's reason not to.
92 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:17:55
93 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:19:25
94 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:20:06
'The Boy stood on the burning deck etc.'?
Well, my son, being a student on holiday, with nothing better to do, came up with:
'The Boy stood on the burning deck, with a shocked and worried demeanour.
He looked around at the defensive shambles,
And begged for Yerry Mina'
OK, it's not Wordsworth, but it'll do!
95 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:27:43
On the plus side,
The neymemistas were running out of material, so he helped out and gave them so much material that we'll have neymer memes for a good few months still.
And did you watch Flamengo x Gremio? Gremio really are a delight of a team.
Best Brazilian football match since the Neymar x Ronaldinho (Santos x Flamengo) classic.
96 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:29:54
97 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:30:41
98 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:31:33
99 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:32:13
100 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:33:39
A couple of signings done and a few departures will no doubt give a clearer picture after a few matches and we certainly hope that picture is a hell of a lot better than it was. Tosun is no world beater but he tucked that one away nicely yesterday and I think he may well benefit from a partnership with Richarlison and/or Walcott.
Niasse and Calvert-Lewinare not good enough to start but may do a decent job on occasions off the bench. Bolasie is an enigma at this point so it's no good speculating on what his role will be.
I hope McCarthy is back soon as he, on form, is our best defensive midfielder.
101 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:36:23
Loftus Cheek is the obvious name, but Drinkwater on loan could be good deal, and we'd get to partner him our own version of Kante (Gueye)
As for a striker I have no idea. Maybe Dembele from Celtic, who wouldn't cost silly money. Personally, I'd probably go for Balotelli on a free transfer. He's scored for fun in France and would have something to prove after his disastrous spell with the RS.
102 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:41:38
Hes boiled the squad right down now, a few more are to leave, and well just have to wait until 5.00pm on Thursday to see the final squad.
Silva will then work with this squad for 12 months and lets hope they improve as the season progresses.
Ive seen flashes of what he wants to do and Im positive he will get us where he wants us to be. Sadly, were a long way off that right now, but who knows, things could click by Saturday.
Also, bear in mind its pre-season, so hes training the players hard. Its about fitness and getting those levels up for the season. From Saturday weve shifted out of pre-season into normal training. This means they train a lot less and so they will look a lot less tired. And so we will see their real fitness levels. Also, we all know from personal experience that your touch is worse when youre knackered, along with your decision making. We should see a sharper, fitter side come Saturday, hopefully with a new player or two, and then the pre-season work will be even more evident.
103 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:41:48
I loved how HE declared a public holiday for the city when they won the Libertadores last year - AND that it was observed!
I watched the mid-week cup game 1-1 draw, but was out last night for the league game.
Sao Paulo I have to say are impressing me in the league this year.
As for the Neymar shite, if you didn't see it last night look up the Zorra show on Globo.
The opening sketch is an excellent piss take of the Gillete ad.
104 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:45:48
105 Posted 05/08/2018 at 23:51:23
106 Posted 05/08/2018 at 00:26:57
I know Digne has been mooted on these pages as a possible centre back. I for one hope not!
From what I saw against Valencia, Digne has neither the height nor the physique to play centre back.
And even if we do sign Mina before the Wolves game, I doubt Silva will be applying your logic when deciding on who to select at centre back in his first competitive game as Everton manager.
He'll go for something more tried and trusted.
107 Posted 06/08/2018 at 00:50:50
Replacement for Schneiderlin is a must I feel he and Gana just can't seem to click and I don't put that down to Gana let's just say that much.
I heard something recently about N'Zonzi wanting a move to the PL? Played a good role in France's Wc success and I think could be picked up for a relative bargain!?
108 Posted 06/08/2018 at 01:12:47
Coleman. Lascalles. Keane. Mina. Digne.
Much respect and admiration to Jags and Baines but their time has come to an end.
109 Posted 06/08/2018 at 01:28:11
Guess that gives us blues some hope.
And what about filipão? The Palmeirense Howard Kendall stunning lack of ideas from Palmeiras.
110 Posted 06/08/2018 at 01:44:53
Against us he seemed like a man possessed at times and even seemingly struggling with a muscle pull he was still putting himself about (eating up the ground with his length of stride).
I think he could be a great success for us if he does come, because his talents could work in the Premier League, but I hope people are prepared for him to be constantly talking to the press about how he wants to be playing for a Champions League side.
111 Posted 06/08/2018 at 02:16:27
I think most of us seem to agree on what we need this season, but identifying the right players is horribly difficult. Some of the names other people are putting forward make me shudder - but who knows which players will turn out to deliver what is required.
For what it's worth, Mina seems to have some huge strengths (physicality, size, aerial ability in both boxes) - and some possible weaknesses (uncultured, a bit wild and cumbersome, slow on the turn).
Last season Spurs signed Davinson Sanchez from Ajax for a good deal more than we are allegedly paying for Mina - and something tells me Spurs have gotten the better deal (I think Davinson Sanchez is very good across the board).
I curse the fact that this summer has seen us in such dire need of players. Replacing Schneiderlin seems to have been overlooked in favour of other problems; cannot believe he is still here, and looking to be still in the starting eleven for Saturday.
112 Posted 06/08/2018 at 02:34:07
113 Posted 06/08/2018 at 03:07:48
Please check with Lyndon regarding the size of the honorarium that comes with the title.
114 Posted 06/08/2018 at 03:09:06
He can play LCB in a back 3. Does not play CB in a back 4.
115 Posted 06/08/2018 at 03:14:45
But Benjamin Barkworth of EverythingBarca.com, a pretty good analyst, writes this about Mina:
He may not fit into the requirements Barcelona have for a defender, but he is talented for his age. Aerial prowess, tackling and passing are some of his best traits. Positioning and reading the game are his weaker areas, so it makes sense why he struggled for the Catalans. His passing also lacked the penetration from deep that was needed, although he circulated possession effectively. Barcelona cant afford to take risks with a long-term project in such a key area, but he has the potential to be a top defender.
Mina will suit a team that plays in a more traditional manner without such an intense focus on keeping possession as well as using the defenders to break through the opposition defensive shape with their passing and dribbling like Barcelona do. His aerial prowess also extends to the opposition box, which provides Marco Silva with a major weapon to use at set pieces.
116 Posted 06/08/2018 at 04:01:15
117 Posted 06/08/2018 at 05:08:20
All this bother over a relatively unknown player? Me I'd of left him hanging days, weeks ago but the fact we are still hanging around the Colombian totem is telling?
I might proffer we have no viable alternatives anywhere as advanced as this lad and the chronic lack of quality we do have makes him look like Bobby Moore.
It's all very odd, desperate and distasteful.
118 Posted 06/08/2018 at 06:08:48
Where does it say anything that Lyon are officially in for him, i.e quotes from Barcelona, Lyon or the player himself?!
Just checked news about Lyon and it's all about Fekir and Liverpool.
I also checked news about Barcelona, and all that's mentioned is about interest in Pogba, and that a deal with EVERTON has been agreed.
Finally checked our news and again it's all about an agreed deal with Barcelona for him.
Loads of people on here have shown frustration about the time it was taking for him to make up his mind.
Up to the point of hearing news that we've just agreed a price with Barcelona (even this news is still a rumour until made official). Any rumours previous to that news about him holding out for Champions League clubs are mute as you have to agree a deal with the parent club before you are given permission to talk to a player. Otherwise it's called tapping up.
No one knows why this deal has taken so long to get over the line or if any other club was in fact interested in him (I never actually noticed any official quotes from either Man Utd or Lyon or Barcelona, just rumours).
If I had to hazard a guess, my opinion would be based on previous transfers and that we normally take an age to get deals over the line whilst trying to negotiate the best possible price. Whereas other clubs seem to do their business alot more quickly.
Also noticed that we sold Klaassen and within days we had Digne.
Then noticed that since loaning out Williams and Mirallas, this deal seems to be back on.
We know we have to reduce squad bill, it was officially quoted from Brands himself, that we had to sell to buy because of our large squad.
119 Posted 06/08/2018 at 06:41:40
"This lad with limited appeal in both talent and like-ability screwing us around..."
Of course I'll take your word over that of Lucas Digne, who actually knows him, played with him, and says he's a fine player and a fine lad and urged him to come to Everton.
In his press quotes, Mina also seems to be a likeable guy with a sense of humor:
“When I arrived, to create a good atmosphere I started to bet with Messi and Suarez to see who took the best free-kicks in training,” he said. "I did it just to watch them. Before I knew it they were taking €50 a day off me. And I was like, ‘What, Im paying for these guys to go shopping! But the truth is those monsters put the ball wherever they want it. They are fantastic people and they are wizards.”
He's also honest about having played poorly in his brief chances because of nervousness, and about the encouragement he got from Coutinho and Paulinho, who wouldn't be likely to do that for an "unknown" unless they saw something quality there.
And as for leaving him "hanging" days ago, apparently Brands did just that, and now the reports say his price is significantly lower and Brands is looking to close the deal at our price.
Personally, I'm inclined to go with Brands' judgement.
120 Posted 06/08/2018 at 07:51:14
I hope Mina will be good if he comes, still think a CB with speed AND PL experience should be brought in. I read people think Zouma could be the man, I have hardly seen him play but it looks a good deal on paper unless he is on ridicolous Chelsea wages.
121 Posted 06/08/2018 at 08:25:20
122 Posted 06/08/2018 at 08:40:53
Not sure Lukaku is the best example - he was with us for how long?
123 Posted 06/08/2018 at 08:47:23
124 Posted 06/08/2018 at 08:52:38
Otherwise this price is going up by the day.
125 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:03:54
That's better than "...Three bad seasons and he is still staying..."
I would take Lukaku over an average striker any day. We just have to accept that we are a stepping stone for most great players. Until we become a big and top club again, that will always be the case.
126 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:06:41
Aerial ability in both boxes, netting three goals in three games at the World Cup
Can drive forward with the ball and push the team higher up the pitch
Good passing ability, one of the reasons Barcelona signed him
Slow over short distances with nimble strikers able to get the better of him
Positioning problems, at times he appeared lost and was dragged out of place by clever forwards
Inexperienced, potentially yet another United defender who needs a wiser head beside them
127 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:08:29
In Sigurdsson we have someone who can cross the ball with pace and accuracy from a dead ball situation. Mina will be waiting on the edge of the penalty area . He will strike the fear of god into opposition defenders for Sigurdssons corners and free kicks. He will be used as a centre forward in those moments. He will score a few important goals for us throughout the season.
128 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:18:42
129 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:21:05
130 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:27:18
131 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:28:24
Mike, as ever, a good, well thought out post.
132 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:36:06
133 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:42:49
If you look a bit deeper you'll see that Lyon were linked with Mina a few days ago - they haven't just come in for him at the last minute at all, that's pure sensationalist journalism from hacks trying to make a story.
134 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:51:38
I do hope that we may have an alternative target too, so if it does go pear shaped, we haven't lost all of our eggs, and if both come off, happy days.
That may sound a tad over-dramatic, but we are talking about a key area here, even if this is the only bit of Transfer Activity, we could manage with the midfield and forwards (not ideally) but defence deficiency is paramount
135 Posted 06/08/2018 at 09:54:57
You will see that it is a French newspaper that has mentioned the Lyon bid. Probably the French version of The Sun.
We had come to personal terms with Yerry Mina's agent & all that was waiting for was for us to come to an agreement with Barcelona. Barcelona have accepted our offer but have not come to an agreement with Lyon.
Yerry Mina was due back at Barcelona today after his World Cup break. Lets see where his plane lands shall we.
136 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:02:03
137 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:05:12
138 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:14:30
IS ANYONE EVEN READING THIS!?!
139 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:30:27
140 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:32:08
141 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:39:36
Interesting that the article in the Mirror by a Spanish football expert should mention Fellaini, cos that's who I thought of as soon as I watched a few YouTube vids of Mina. I remember when he first played for us, I was astonished that such a big man could have no turn of speed whatsoever. It looked like he was running in porridge. Of course Fellaini ain't a central defender, but his main attributes were his distruptiveness and his heading ability. Mina looks like he might bring the same qualities. However, Fellaini didn't need to be fast because he was never the last defender. Would Mina and Keane as a central pairing be picked apart by nippy attackers?
Ah well, can't be any worse than what we've got, and hopefully he'll chip in with 8 or 9 goals from set pieces, which we desparately need.
142 Posted 06/08/2018 at 10:58:28
Agreed Michael, I still see Fellaini running in porridge but it doesn't matter when you play his role and have elbows like he does. Mina on the other hand...
All these links to the Lyon story are on websites run by people in their bedrooms - I haven't see any from anyone *quotes* official.
Alex@139 The Internet really is full of wonder isn't it...
143 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:10:39
They already have too many EU players so doesn't seem to me they are in position to call the shots on a player who likely can't play for them. We are desperate for a new CB but there are other options. Hope we won't be held to ransom.
144 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:16:31
Barca paid tuppence for him, played him five times and want to offload him cos he won't even get a place on their bench this season. But he's now worth nearly three times what they paid for him, despite being a failure at the club. Amazing what three goals in a world cup can do. John Stones must be worth close to a billion quid on the Mina scale.
145 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:18:15
146 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:31:10
147 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:38:20
Barcelona will wait it out for a European buyer or blink in the next few days. Ours is the only firm bid on the table.
148 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:38:35
149 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:50:45
I hope we don't pay over £30m for him personally. I know there are many on here who use the 'its not our money' refrain but I don't want us to get a reputation for constantly overpaying, we only have a finite amount of cash! It also puts more pressure on the manager and the player. There are other CBs out there.
150 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:52:03
151 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:54:51
At least he had a locker..........but that's another story altogether.
152 Posted 06/08/2018 at 11:57:44
Barcelona have problems with 5 non EU players on their books. Mina, Coutinho, just signed Arthur & Malcolm, & Arturo Vidal due in shortly.
Coutinho's EU passport will not be available till Christmas at the earliest which will mean Vidal just involved in training till then.
There is no place for Mina whatsoever. It may just mean Barcelona loaning him out for a year then selling him. Arthur, Malcolm & Vidal have no way of obtaining a EU passport.
Mina will prpbably be here for a medical tomorrow or Wednesday.
153 Posted 06/08/2018 at 12:11:47
He does surely have to move this window though - he sure as hell ain't gonna get a game over there with the EU restrictions. It's a delicate one for Barca because if they hold out for Lyon and that falls through, then they're stuck with Mina on their books.
I'd guess Barca will/have agreed a fee perhaps with both clubs and leave it up to Mina/agent to work it out before the end of the week.
154 Posted 06/08/2018 at 12:24:19
Do I want him? I have only seen his World Cup games and he looked the type we need but I am happy to trust Silva and Brands. The reaction on ToffeeWeb to these rumours is priceless – some get excited and others think it's the end of the world. Who would be a football manager!!
155 Posted 06/08/2018 at 12:44:40
Hopefully, as some have said, the deal is set up so it should be able to happen quickly but I'm a tad concerned about the reported agent fee hurdle and Lyon hovering in the background ready to step in anytime and scupper the whole thing. (I also hear Spurs are sniffing too.)
Mr Brands and Co have a lot to accomplish by close of business on Thursday and should be working on other deals, including an alternative for Mina. They cannot afford to be spinning their wheels if Mina is dragging his heels – it is too important a week for any shenanigans. I'm looking for some urgency from Mina to evidence he is excited to be coming.
All that said, I reckon M&M are a pair of smart cookies and they will be looking to cover all the bases to get the right deals over the line for Marco to have a fair crack until the next window.
As things stand, even with some of the proposed signings mentioned above, I don't think we will see the best of this new-look Everton until the second half of the season; it usually takes time to bring a new team and philosophy together. If we can be in the top 10 by January and be playing stylish attacking football, we would be in a good place to push on and who knows – anything can happen from there – but be prepared for it to take longer.
We need to be patient and back these guys to the hilt and encourage every player in a blue shirt – even when they get it wrong.
156 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:03:13
157 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:13:59
I actually think once the Premier League window closes, there will be fewer suitors for him, and they will know Barcelona's desperation to off-load him and that will drive the price down. European Clubs know that once the money-bag Premier League clubs' window shuts, the prices will go south.
Ladies and Gentlemen, fasten your seat-belts, the next 3 days will be fascinating.
158 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:15:35
159 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:33:29
I know it was called for by managers, clubs and fans alike, but I am not in favour of the English transfer window closing before the season starts. Overall, I think it prejudices (PL) teams chances of landing their prime targets at 'reasonable' prices, although all prices seem absurdly inflated these days.
I voiced the same opinion last year: given the different starting dates of all the European national leagues, it is impossible to settle on a single uniform transfer deadline day acceptable to all.
Like other wrinklies, I recall how in the past the transfer window remained open nearly all year round, only closing in April for a couple of months to the end of the season.
I'm really not convinced limiting clubs and players to two small windows in the year serves anyone's best interests. I'm not even sure, if challenged in court, if it is even legal.
The situation is all the more compounded for English clubs this year in that very little business is typically done during the tournament in a WC year, together with losing a full 3 weeks off previous summer transfer windows under this system.
160 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:37:29
161 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:40:59
It shows how desperate we are to actually sign someone/anyone.
Its main reason why we have recruited badly over the last few years, we just cant attract the quality players we really need.
Second best will not advance us up the table, we are always hoping to get lucky.
162 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:45:49
The player has consistently pushed Everton to the side to any other suitor thats been mentioned in the press. He has hesitated about joining us. He is getting kicked out of Barca because he is surplus to requirements and hasnt made the grade. That should be enough to worry anyone.
Everton before have bought, Digne who is bound to be nice about his mate so lets ignore that subjective witness statement eh, thats worth nothing to anyone. Platitudes are lovely but what else would you expect? “This lad is shite, swerve him Everton.”
Refreshing but unlikely.
Weve also bought Geri. Buying casts offs from Barca or any club players who dont make it is a poor policy. We have done with United for years now Barcelona have a direct line to the club too.
You buy players who are on an upward curve. Stones, Lookman, Richarlson, Holgate etc.
Not Bloomquivst, Neville, Rooney, Williams, Schniederlin, Digne etc.
Im sorry but the step down is a clear one to Everton and you are expecting that player to be motivated or hungry?
Sorry the timeline and media noise around this fella is alarming.
And as for those of you thinking hes a goal threat, lets find a lad who can defend first before we get carried away.
Only two centre halves on the last 30 years were a global threat for Everton. Mountfield and Lescott. Both could defend and have the goal record to match.
163 Posted 06/08/2018 at 13:47:49
Everton are generally these days not known as a big club.
A lot of benchwarmers at top clubs are probably earning bigger wages than game starters at Everton and that's why transfers in are so protracted as some players are after the same or even more loot.
After getting stiffed over the Gylfi deal I suspect Moshiri is loathe to have it happen again.
164 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:17:00
Then when the Premier League transfer window shuts, and we are out of the game, they will back track.
Barca / Mina, dont say I didnt warn you.
165 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:30:14
That said, I hope Silva is not seeking "refuge for weak coaches" (his words, not mine) by buying a big unit without coaching the side to defend properly. Zonal marking has been very suspect in pre-season and you could have Southall, Mountfield and Ratcliffe at their zenith and still leak a bunch of goals without proper organisation.
166 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:43:24
That means it's more likely to happen than not but I hope he's not the only one.
167 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:51:31
To be fair, I'm not sure I'd put Neville in the same category as the others. Granted he has less innate football talent than pretty much anyone of recent vintage – maybe Niasse aside – but he was effective for us, gave it everything and certainly made the most of the limited talent he had.
I also take your point about Mina. In these situations, weaker players will indeed be more likely to coast and likely ultimately fade away from the game at the highest level, but the ones with mental toughness and self-belief will just want to work even harder to prove their critics wrong.
Hopefully this guy is in the latter camp, if we get him.
168 Posted 06/08/2018 at 14:59:11
169 Posted 06/08/2018 at 15:04:50
David #151, spot on regarding the non-EU player situation for Barca, and the possibility of a Mina loan.
John #160, other young or in-their-prime players who have been "kicked out of Barca" because they were deemed "surplus to requirements" have been Maradona, Ronaldo, Alexis Sanchez, Neymar, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Luis Figo and Thiago Alcantara. (And of those only Figo and Neymar really wanted to leave.) So Barca ain't perfect, and taking their castoffs isn't necessarily a bad idea. Geri notwithstanding.
Mark #165, he did force his way into a Colombia side that performed pretty well at the WC, so maybe that says something for his drive. He hadn't played in many WC qualifiers but didn't give up.
170 Posted 06/08/2018 at 15:34:45
At least my missus will be happy as she is from Medellin!
171 Posted 06/08/2018 at 15:43:30
Bryan from Bristol City going to Villa. He's an absolute steal, we should get him to challenge Baines or loan him until next season. He'll be a top player. He reminds me of a young Baines.
Digne? Mina?? Surely we can do better with £50m?
172 Posted 06/08/2018 at 15:47:27
I would imagine it is only human for players who are forced to make a step down- and realistically, that is what we are and not even in CL to compensate- to risk becoming somewhat disillusioned. It would be like you or me getting demoted at work or having to move to a lesser job, even if the pay is good. I think you need a fair amount of spirit to cope with that and rebound.
It made me think about who else has taken a signficant step down, but then thrived, excluding those at the tail end of their career. For some reason Mendieta sprang to mind, Valencia, Lazio (when they were good) and Barca, then to Middlesborough. I think he was only 28 so still in his prime.
I suspect the list of players doing this and kicking on to greater things is not as long as the ones who didn't.
173 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:02:01
Maguire is quoted at being £50+ million, Gibson is a Championship player and cost £15 million. £30 million in today's market is standard.
He has all the attributes to be top top class, but yes, he has some flaws, if he didn't, we wouldn't have a chance. Personally hope this comes off.
Worth remembering Barça only got him cheap because they had already purchased 'first option' as part of the deal that took him to Palmeiras.
174 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:06:05
Let's give him a 6 year contract anyway and loan him back out to another EU club.
Why can't Bill tell the Home Office there actually cultural 'entertainers' for a musical he's working on and sort out the paperwork at a later date i.e. When selling.
My laugh has suddenly turned to fear... A Mina mystery, in A minor
175 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:18:46
The team must loose its pedestrian style, else another rerun of last year is on the cards.
176 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:25:26
177 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:33:27
Bryan over Digne, really, are you high?!
I've heard it all now, my god you are having a laugh.
One is a Championship player, no more no less, if not, why hasn't he already been snapped up by a Premiership team. He's not an international, and has played for Bath, Plymouth and Bristol and is almost 25.
The other is a French international, that has played for PSG, Roma and Barcelona and only just turned 25.
At best I'd get him as a cheap backup for Digne once Baines leaves or retires.
178 Posted 06/08/2018 at 16:59:28
179 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:02:12
180 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:11:12
We'll end up paying £35m plus add-ons, and giving him a five year contract worth £5m a year.
181 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:20:12
But there is one massive positive, this was brands / Silvas number one CB target and weve hung in there, and it looks like were going to get him. Lets be honest none of us have seen him play much or know how good he is, but the two guys who run the football club had his has number one choice so lets be happy if they get it and see how good he is.
As a side note from what I saw at the World Cup he was awesome.
182 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:27:25
183 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:27:35
It will be some kudos to MB, the club and some rays of hope for this season.
184 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:41:03
Agree 100%. Buying players on the back of a good world cup invariably ends in tears.
185 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:42:49
186 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:49:22
I don't remember Mendieta well, but of my list in post 169, you can easily pick out players who kicked on to greatness despite dropping to "lesser" teams from Barcelona. Both AC Milan and PSG would have been considered steps down for Ibra, but he scored a goal a game for them. And of course Napoli was a football backwater until Maradona became "surplus" at Barca.
187 Posted 06/08/2018 at 17:58:17
Whether Mina is worth the fee is for the club to decide. Even though it's difficult after the Koeman transfers fiasco last summer we have to trust Silva and Brands to make the right decisions. If we end up at the right end of the table they did. If we end up at the wrong end they didn't and they'll be out on their arse and we'll be looking for new management once more.
188 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:01:00
The purchase of Coleman was the equivalent of buying a non-league player, and him making it in the Premier league.
It happens about once a decade with the odds being very slim.
189 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:05:18
If it was the early 80s Liverpool are Nottingham Forrest and Everton are Notts County It's just the way it is.
190 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:05:36
191 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:35:59
192 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:47:09
Both quality young defenders both different and both better than Jags and powder puff Keane
193 Posted 06/08/2018 at 18:52:17
194 Posted 06/08/2018 at 19:08:15
Theres a big difference between selling a player for a world record fee, especially when that player wants to move (Neymar, Ronaldo, Maradona, Figo) than binning a squad player or a youth who hasnt made the grade (Digne, Deulofeu, Mina)
195 Posted 06/08/2018 at 19:16:52
Like any transfer you make a bid and money talks.
The toon are on their Knees needing cash so a bid for Lascelles would most likely tempt them.
As for Lindelöf he had a bad match against Huddersfield and the moody bastard Mourinho dropped him for most of the season. Plus with them courting Maguire a bid could tempt them.
196 Posted 06/08/2018 at 19:49:19
See the Echo. Sorry, I don't know how to provide a link.
197 Posted 06/08/2018 at 19:49:30
198 Posted 06/08/2018 at 20:49:56
199 Posted 06/08/2018 at 23:06:07
200 Posted 07/08/2018 at 00:09:46
201 Posted 07/08/2018 at 10:07:24
202 Posted 07/08/2018 at 11:29:37
203 Posted 07/08/2018 at 12:01:05
204 Posted 07/08/2018 at 16:55:00
205 Posted 07/08/2018 at 19:13:20
Smalling is highly under-rated. He is a leader, solid, has amazing fitness and puts in a shift. No matter who else arrives he always makes it back into the first team to partner Bailly. Says a lot really.
Lindelof struggled in his first season at United and caused concern for United fans. However he has improved and is considered to be a better option than Rojo. He can also hit a pass better than the other two. Out of the three a lot of United fans would let Rojo go.
Rojo is over-rated and not much better than Funes Mori. Very late tackler who struggles under pressure and can sometimes be found out of position. Not the commanding centre-back we are looking for. Another £30 Million mistake waiting to happen.
206 Posted 07/08/2018 at 22:32:01
I am not totally sold on Mina the more I watch highlights of him and read about him. I think we could use someone like Smalling playing alongside him. We're going to possibly have a first choice defence with 2 players that have never played premier league football before. Jagielka is done and playing Keane alongside them sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
207 Posted 07/08/2018 at 22:34:49
208 Posted 07/08/2018 at 22:43:43
We're being linked with a loan for Zouma now. Another defender I'd probably prefer to Mina. Or at least playing alongside him. Is he a 'blunder machine' in your opinion too?
209 Posted 08/08/2018 at 01:10:31
We never learn. Lasts seasons flavour of the month Sigurðsson divided ToffeeWeb on his valuation and his stats.
Some believed that Sigurðsson was the messiah who would take us forward. We wasted time obsessed with a £45 Million free kick specialist who had super human leadership qualities.
Some of us threw up the stats contradicting the hype and got shut down. Not saying Sigurðsson isn't a good player but £45 Million?
Mina has done little to earmark a £30 Million + price tag. Wasting valuable days chasing this dude because he had a good world cup is crazy.
How much would he have been worth prior to the world cup?
Why did he not play much more than 6 times for Barcelona?
If he is such a player worthy of £100 Million then why are Barcelona cashing in for £30 Million?
Zouma and Mina are the same age.
Mina is F605 and Zouma is F603. Zouma has a bigger frame and is harder to muscle off of the ball. Mina goes down a little to easy.
Zouma was named Chelsea's players, player of the year in their Premiership winning team of 2014-2015.
Zouma was earmarked as John Terry's direct replacement due to his talent, ability and physical attributes.
Zouma played 31 times in a team boasting of Cahill, Ivanovic and John Terry.
Zouma was considered in the top 10 best young players in Europe.
Zouma can play as a defensive midfielder.
Zouma was held back due to an injury of which he has fully recovered.
Zouma has Premiership and Champions League pedigree and wont have a problem with the pace of the English game.
Zouma has strength, power, speed, and leadership qualities and has been likened to both John Terry and Toby Aldeweireld in his abilities.
Mina had a good world cup against Poland, Senegal and England and played 6 times for Barcelona. Not saying he's not good but equally (for the premiership) not proven.
So... note to self:
Switch of Newsnow, put down the subjective, over-hyped newspapers and think who you would rather have in defence come winter?
210 Posted 08/08/2018 at 08:47:10
Personally I'd rather we didn't sign him anyway.
211 Posted 08/08/2018 at 10:08:19
212 Posted 08/08/2018 at 11:36:23
Its aint happening
213 Posted 08/08/2018 at 11:41:23
By God The Sun still hates the RS.
214 Posted 08/08/2018 at 11:44:14
215 Posted 08/08/2018 at 12:33:56
In Spain they seem pretty convinced he'll be an Everton player.
Cope radio in Spain said this: En cuestión de horas se hará oficial la salida de Yerry Mina al Everton.
Translation: In a matter of hours the departure of Yerry Mina to Everton will be official.
216 Posted 08/08/2018 at 12:35:36
Translation: Yerry Mina is one step away from becoming a new Everton player. There would be agreement between clubs for 32 million and it would sign five seasons. The last details of the operation are closing
217 Posted 08/08/2018 at 19:53:57
218 Posted 08/08/2018 at 20:01:06
How do you know this mate? (I hope youre right)
219 Posted 08/08/2018 at 21:39:03
220 Posted 08/08/2018 at 22:13:31
221 Posted 08/08/2018 at 22:26:27
That being said, I have a sneaky feeling this deal will go through. I've never bought that United are seriously interested in him, and Lyon can't match our offer - all they can do is keep bleating about the Champion's League in the press (as if they're any sort of factor in the tournament) and hope Mina tries to force a move to them.
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