According to MyNet, the striker's former club Besiktas are keen on re-signing him on the basis that his move to Goodison Park hasn't yet worked out as he had hoped.
Turkish-Football.com, however, have passed on information from "a source close to the player" that Tosun is fully committed to the Blues and has no intention of leaving so soon after signing for them in a £21M deal last January.
Tosun isn't the only Everton player being linked with the Turkish league. Oumar Niasse is once again being talked about in terms of a switch to Galatasaray, a link that has surfaced in every window since he moved to Merseyside two years ago.
Niasse is said to have been told he is free to leave Everton in January if a suitable buyer comes in for him.
These reports come amidst stories linking the Blues with Mbwana Samatta, a Tanzanian international striker who has started making a name for himself at Genk in Belgium even though he scored just 19 goals in 66 games for them.
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1 Posted 09/10/2018 at 15:41:23
Never mind... we have Big Dom to get us 20 a season! 😥
2 Posted 09/10/2018 at 20:46:56
Tosun = nice guy but not good enough
Calvert-Lewin = superb athlete but not a finisher
Niasse = too much of a wild card
Richarlison = superb prospect and the best option we have up top at the moment but I think he's more dangerous out on the wing
Walcott = again, too easy to mark if restricted to being up top
I keep saying it but it's amazing that there have been three transfers windows since Lukaku was sold (including the window in which he was sold) and the best we could do was sign one recognised striker and that was the unproven Tosun
Liverpool have four strikers capable of scoring 15-20+ (and maybe a fifth in Ings) and I'm not sure we have one...
3 Posted 09/10/2018 at 21:05:56
4 Posted 09/10/2018 at 21:46:16
It wasn't long ago fans were questioning Sigurdsson and moaning about the outlay. Most of our current players, given the support and encouragement of the club and the fans, and a reasonable run in the right position, would come good.
5 Posted 09/10/2018 at 22:03:02
Tosun has scored only one goal and is not able to turn his marker and mainly lays off balls. He is not threatening enough as a forward. I did think this was because of the high press tactics of Silva and Tosun having a leading role in it. I also thought that support play from the midfield was a problem, not providing the patterns he was used to. But it now appears that Ricarlison has no such problems.
In the case of Niasse, he really has been disappointing this season. He did not put enough work in during the Summer to get up to speed with Silva's system. He looks completely out of sync with the rest of the team. Maybe, because he's played for Silva before, he felt he didn't have to make an effort and just relaxed.
Brands and Silva are continually assessing these players. I expect at least Niasse to be gone and maybe Tosun in January as well. Calvert-Lewin has put more work in and scored more goals.
6 Posted 09/10/2018 at 22:27:42
But Tosun has received plenty of good service. Hes squandered many chances, clear unmarked headers, hesitated with the ball at his feet in the box, failed to make the run with a perfect ball sent into the box. Tosun this season, unlike last, has had the service and simply not produced. Service has not been the issue this season for any of our strikers.
7 Posted 09/10/2018 at 22:32:32
Maybe 5, Ings !!!! Really, Ings? I'm not sure we would find a place in our starting 11 for Ings if I'm honest mate. Who are the other 4 ?
Sturridge is there only out and out striker, he is quality if I'm honest, but if he was at us he wouldn't play often enough due to his injury record, as proven again last season at West Brom.
Firmino, yes I'd call him a striker and I'd admit he's better than ours.
That's it for me, Mane, Salah and I'm presuming Shaqiri? None of them are strikers. Walcott, Richarlison and Lookman are as much out-and-out strikers as any of them.
Imo, we need to accept that Calvert-Lewin could do with a loan deal to a top championship side, look at what it's done for Mitrovic.
Niasse isn't up to it, he works hard and is a physical presence, but his ability is limited.
Tosun is our best bet but he has nothing on Lukaku (our last good striker) or any of Arsenal's, Spurs, or Chelsea's strikers.
We need to buy a proven talent for big money, someone who has the potential to become a big star at us and move on for a huge profit.
I'm no scout but Batshuyai, Martial, Rashford and Morata have proven to have ability, it would be up to the coaches at our club to unlock there ability to get the best out of any of them.
I'm sure there's other top players, look at what the shite have found over the years in Torres, Suarez, and Salah. The players are out there, it's up to the scouts or whoever at the club to sign us the right player.
8 Posted 09/10/2018 at 22:52:43
I take on board your comments. And well put they are too.
I just wonder with some of these players if it's confidence? Like Tom. Tosun had a good record: 40 odd goals in 90 appearances? Okay, this is the Premier League. But I felt there were promising signs when he first played.
It's good that we feel we can do better. It's a sign of things to come. But I can't help thinking that, for the time being, we might make better use of the resources we've got.
9 Posted 09/10/2018 at 22:56:15
The likes of Martial, Morata and Rashford would cost plenty and yet come with pretty unimpressive strike rates in the Premier League.
Or perhaps you go for the likes of Deeney, Callum Wilson or Glenn Murray who have done the job at times for ‘smaller' clubs.
Or you go for the recent foreign hotshot but we saw how that worked out with Sandro. And so far Tosun.
Tricky stuff. Especially in the January window. I think Richarlison up top with Bernard on the left may well be our best bet this season and see what options are around in the summer.
10 Posted 09/10/2018 at 23:06:43
Our scouts need to do their jobs and find decent hungry strikers of quality and not household names that any armchair fan has heard of. Suarez was unearthed from the Dutch league, Salah initially cost Chelsea just £11m before being bought by them for £34m. Tosun was a desperation buy last January as Niasse was all we had.
Tosun, Calvert-Lewin and Niasse are simply nowhere near the quality we need. I doubt any of them would be bought by another Premier League club if we tried to sell.
January isn't a great time to buy anyone but we need to sign at least two decent strikers for our squad.
11 Posted 10/10/2018 at 00:08:21
I think this has been apparent because of the quality of players we have brought in and for this we should be happy. M&M clearly know the quality we need and I have every confidence they are identifying a target now. We won't progress without a top striker and — now we have sorted the defence, left-back and have pace and creativity — this is a must.
Calvert-Lewin needs to go out on loan. Bernard and Richarlison are so far ahead, it's like they are in a different league.
What about Tino Werner? He might be getable with a massive offer. Whatever happens, we are likely going to have to spend big. I can't see us picking up a world class striker on the cheap or from the lower leagues — again, I have every confidence each signing will improve the team.
12 Posted 09/10/2018 at 00:18:32
Also for anyone who talks about foreign players like Sandro and Tosun you have me wrong, I said we need to bite the bullet and spend big.
Tosun cost a similar fee that Tores cost Liverpool a decade ago. Sandro cost what many clubs pay for kids with potential. I'm talking about a Sigurdson-style transfer, a Lukaku-style transfer, a Fellaini style transfer. For us to make this happen means that fee now a day is £60-70M. It means we can't afford much else without selling.
We have a keeper, we don't really need a left or right back, we have Zouma on loan for centre-half along with Mina who's yet to play, so them with Holgate and Keane is plenty. We have wide men now with no room for Lookman for whom we turned down £25M. We may need a creative centre mid, although were yet to see Gomes. The squad isn't too bad, we just need a top draw striker.
If we need say a centre mid we could put together a package for Ramsey or Fabregas, both proven in the league and both most probably available. Put the right financial package together and either of them are cheap (Ramsey 6 months on contract, Fab getting on).
We have Niasse, McCarthy, Besic, Jagielka, Bolasie, to sell or get off wage bill to free up bits of funds, but again what we do need is a big time striker who is first name on team sheet and won't need to be left out for Calvert-Lewin who is mearly a young £1M lad from the Championship who has potential.
Schniederlin or Davies
Walcott or Lookman
That's a good side, but if we had a Lukaku who would walk in that side we would really push on and do stuff.
I'd like to see Sigurdsson in place of Schniederlin or Davies, Bernard behind striker, Richarlison back on left and a top-notch striker up top.
Deeney or Wilson will most probably prove to be another Tosun, decent but not level-changing. We need a Lacazette or an Abameyang, a striker with pace, tricky feet and the ability to turn a draw into a win.
Batshuayi would be my choice: he scored when given a chance at Chelsea, scored at Dortmund on loan and taken by Valencia on loan. All 3 clubs are Champions League regulars; if they all fancy a punt on him, then that must say he has something. Also, add the fact he's got goals for Belgium too btw.
13 Posted 10/10/2018 at 00:39:06
With Pavon, Bernard, Richarlison, Walcott plus Lookman and Calvert-Lewin, that would be immense pace, skill and ability for players to interchange positions.
If Barca do go and sign someone, we should also make a sneeky move for Dembele... Who knows, with our good relationship with them?
14 Posted 10/10/2018 at 03:01:23
It will probably be a decade before we get "another Lukaku" – it's very rare to have a striker like that... When was the last one we had, Lineker, Sharp?? – it was 30 years ago. So let's not get obsessed over the striker position; we are scoring goals.
I'd like to see an upgrade to what we have, but it needs to be a significant upgrade to be worthwhile and I think this might be tricky, and certainly something that can wait until the summer. I'm sure Brands is on it.
15 Posted 10/10/2018 at 04:35:21
16 Posted 10/10/2018 at 04:49:10
Henry, Henry Onyekuru.
17 Posted 10/10/2018 at 05:10:52
18 Posted 10/10/2018 at 06:07:21
19 Posted 10/10/2018 at 06:36:14
Gabriel Jesus is 5 ft 9 in.
Firmino is 5 ft 11 in.
Lacazette is 5 ft 9 in.
Sadio Mane is 5 ft 9 in.
Onyekuru is 5 ft 9 inches tall.
Not surprising that, as a young player, he plays out wide as an attacking player. But his size doesn't exclude him from being a striker. Henry started as a wide player. It's the player's style and speed and technical ability that matters in combination with the team's style of play, most importantly. Henry wasn't about size, it was pace and skill and the way the team played.
20 Posted 10/10/2018 at 06:44:57
He has shown over his time in the Premier League that there is a decent striker in him and that is what you would be taking a punt on. He is used to the Premier League and when in form has scored goals.
A loan move with an option to buy would suit us and him in the short term. Whether or not Palace would be prepared to loan him rather than sell (in their mind maybe get rid) is a different matter.
21 Posted 10/10/2018 at 07:13:39
22 Posted 10/10/2018 at 07:43:40
If this is the case, then Benteke has got even less “movement” than Cenk, which is probably something Silva has told Brands his next centre-forward must have in abundance.
23 Posted 10/10/2018 at 07:50:50
24 Posted 10/10/2018 at 07:52:34
Hardly prolific, considering last season he scored 1 in 32 games. He, as well as Tosun and Niasse, have to go – just not good enough.
25 Posted 10/10/2018 at 08:04:55
Tosun is a willing player, but just lacks pace or physical dominance. I can't see that him and Sigurdsson can play together in a combination, as neither have the pace to get behind. Tosun with Bernard might be different.
I would break the bank for Rashford. Hopefully Mourinho hangs on, and he gets fed up of a bit-part role behind Lukuka, Martial and Sanchez. But I can't see the owners sanctioning a deal. The fans would kick off big style.
Other than him, there is just nothing decent about. Foreign players are just big gambles, and I am not sure we can spend big on that area without proof they can cut it in the Premier League.
26 Posted 10/10/2018 at 08:13:32
I think same can be said for Lukaku - now that he's seen the grass is not greener down the road could we get him back? (Would we want him back?)
Otherwise... bugger it – just go buy Killian Mbape! 😳
27 Posted 10/10/2018 at 08:15:16
You are right regarding the one goal. But at least he looked as if he wasn't spoonfed it like the Tosun goal and was getting shots on target, with some good positional play. I was trying to give him a chance, coming from the ranks. Better loaned out in my opinion.
28 Posted 10/10/2018 at 08:52:42
29 Posted 10/10/2018 at 09:01:42
He might also be available. He's not first choice at Arsenal, I think his contract is running down. He'd jump at the chance to move back to the northwest and be first choice for us.
30 Posted 10/10/2018 at 09:28:14
31 Posted 10/10/2018 at 09:34:27
Welbeck will get 15-20 goals a season, really? His best return is 9 goals in a season. As we seem to be good at ruining strikers, I can't see Welbeck turning it round with us.
32 Posted 10/10/2018 at 09:59:18
I think to be honest Silva wants someone who will press and move all over, creating room whilst also getting some goals themselves. Firmino is probably the best example of this in the Premier League. Richarlison could well be our best bet to emulate that, he works very hard, can win physical battles and has the pace and movement to get in behind.
I wonder if a large bid could get us any traction with Nabil Fekir. Or even Florian Thauvin who has a very impressive goals return over the last two years or so. Neither are out-and-out strikers but either could suit Silva's system and play in any of the front 4 positions, much like Richie.
33 Posted 10/10/2018 at 10:32:11
Niasse is Niasse a complete brainfart by Brown Shoes, the only way he'd improve is take his locker off him and put his gear in a cardboard box in the lawnmower shed at Finch Farm.
All this "he's only scored 3 goals in 573 appearances" is meaningless Joe Harper scored 573 in 3 appearances in Scotland but couldn't score on a night out with Rooney when he came here.
I don't know the answer, other than, as I've said before, get a priest down to Goodison and exorcse the place – it is obviously cursed.
34 Posted 10/10/2018 at 11:10:55
All these names mentioned, like Welbeck and Benteke etc, are just not good enough and they are the wrong type of player. I am sure Brands and Silva know exactly the type of player they want and, judging by their signings so far, we won't be disappointed.
We want a fast mobile attack that can break at speed; what we don't want is a lumbering striker that slows down play.
35 Posted 10/10/2018 at 11:24:14
I would give this quartet a run of games before January. Collectively they have around 12 goals and 3 assists in all competitions, which is a good return. If they can sustain this, we are looking at 50-odd goals and assists in all competition, which should provide the foundation for a good season.
I have been disappointed by our efforts to replace Lukaku and I hope we restrict ourselves in January to searching for and buying 1 established centre-forward from a high-calibre league.
No more hot prospects or punts from inferior leagues, please. Timo Werner and Nabil Fekir, as suggested, would be superb additions, but I am fearful even such targets will be beyond us. Brands will have a real job unearthing someone who fits the bill and wants to join.
Until then, our hopes for goals will surely lie in our quartet continuing to gel together. Perhaps their continued good form might hold the key to a Fekir or Werner wanting to be part of a very good forward combination.
36 Posted 10/10/2018 at 11:36:41
Tosun has come under pressure, mainly from fans, for not scoring but, if he links up play and gives the others the platform, that's fine by me.
I think it was unfair and the incorrect decision to drop him when Richarlison came back from suspension and I believe a couple of games together would have had him firing again.
Whomever we play in the centre-forward position must have those key skills I mention – Richarlison's hold-up play is superb for a winger primarily (Pienaar had that ability too, perversely for a wide man and one of relatively short stature) – and I think Tosun can do that job.
37 Posted 10/10/2018 at 11:50:53
Danny #29: Welbeck has hit double figures 3 times in his whole career across all competitions with his highest being 12. He's also missed more than 80 games for Arsenal through injury since the 14-15 season. I don't think he's the answer.
38 Posted 10/10/2018 at 12:47:36
There is also another reason why Richarlison needs to play the main striker role: if he goes back to wide left then where does Bernard play?
Now I think he can play in Sigurdsson's position but why would you move Sigurdsson from a position he is making his own. Yes the option is there for Sigurdsson to play in Tom Davies role, by why would you move 2 players in Bernard and Sigurdsson to accommodate a very average striker in Tosun?
39 Posted 10/10/2018 at 13:23:18
For me, Walcott runs pretty hot and cold and is not the future. I'd love to see Lookman given a start with the other 3 and see how he does. I think with a run of games his trickery and two footedness could become very useful. He showed at Leipzig that he is capable of bringing end-product to the table and could be the real deal if his attitude is spot on.
40 Posted 10/10/2018 at 14:06:23
I also think Lookman is a talent but, despite Silva singling him out as the present and the future at Everton, it doesn't seem to have appeased Lookman. He started the cup game against Southampton and looked very exciting in the first half. But, when he was substituted after an hour, Schneiderlin put his hand out to Lookman who just brushed it aside and ran off.
Didn't look like the actions of somebody who wanted to stay and impress Silva... Yes, he can be disappointed at coming off but his behaviour raises the question for me: Does he want to be here?
41 Posted 10/10/2018 at 14:11:30
That'll be bloody Walsh and Koeman again then.
42 Posted 10/10/2018 at 15:03:20
It's actually something that has long been evolving in football.
More than 20-odd years ago, the manager of Brazil's World Cup winning team of 1994, Carlos Alberto Parreira, predicted 4-6-0 as the formation of the future.
At that World Cup, he relied on two (relatively) diminutive players, Romario and Beto as his forwards. Increasingly down the years, you see more and more players of their stature and skill-set filling the slot 'traditionally' filled by a player with a towering physique (such as Duncan Ferguson).
It makes sense. The speed, fitness levels and technique required at the highest level of professional football today demand a more 'universal' player – one with many skill-sets who can play many roles - rather than a 'specialist' player who is only suited to one position.
Everton's front four on Saturday offered this 'Brave New World' of modern day football. It is becoming increasingly hard to 'label' players by the traditional names given to positions they occupy on the pitch because they interchange their roles in-game so much.
Take Gylfi Sigurdsson as an example. I really like how Silva is playing him this season. He is not playing as a 'Number 10' (as that role is broadly understood), nor as an out-and-out second striker to whoever plays the 'Number 9 – striker – centre forward' role.
He is playing more centrally than last season, for sure, and his default position is more advanced than a '#10'. He is interchanging nicely with the supposed '#9', and yet – because he has such a good engine – at times he is getting down and dirty helping out the defence and can be found in central midfield.
The front 4 at Leicester – the first time they have played together, remember – has the potential to be hugely potent. It contains speed, technique, good passing, an eye for a goal and ALL can interchange with the other, which is going to cause confusion with opposition defences.
I would guess this is very much the direction Silva wishes to take the team. As such, distributing the goals around the team (as we are now doing this season) rather than being over-reliant on one player to get the goals (as was the case with Lukaku) could pay dividends.
* For anyone interested, here is a good article from The Guardian by Jonathon Wilson (some of you may be familiar with his work, Inverting the Pyramid – a history of the evolution of tactics), entitled:
43 Posted 10/10/2018 at 16:04:26
Alan J #41, yes, he plays mostly left wing but switches to the right, and goes to the middle to chase long balls over the top. And I just don't agree with your Koeman / Walsh comment, because I don't think there's such a thing as having too much talent in a club, especially a club like ours. And this kid has meltdown speed.
44 Posted 10/10/2018 at 16:29:08
He's a poacher and will fire us the goals... play to his strengths, FFS.
45 Posted 10/10/2018 at 17:02:17
Brands will be looking to move on the next raft of players who are seen to be surplus to requirements, Tosun and Niasse will be near if not at the top of that list.
The money squandered on sub-par signings has been truly breathtaking in recent seasons, something that Moshiri has looked to arrest with the shrewd appointment of Brands. We are in a state of evolution and patience will be needed.
46 Posted 10/10/2018 at 17:12:55
Time will tell... but I have a feeling that, if Lookman leaves, we may regret it in years to come.
47 Posted 10/10/2018 at 17:27:51
48 Posted 10/10/2018 at 17:31:15
Make that 8 in 44... Not 1 in 32.
49 Posted 10/10/2018 at 17:34:35
50 Posted 10/10/2018 at 18:09:23
51 Posted 10/10/2018 at 18:14:28
Which ordinary players were you thinking of replacing?
52 Posted 10/10/2018 at 18:26:43
I'm in the minority here, but I don't think Dowell is relevant. And as for Tosun, if his productivity doesn't improve he won't have a choice about his long-term future with Everton – it'll end when we land somebody better.
Loved your response to Soren.
53 Posted 10/10/2018 at 19:06:06
54 Posted 10/10/2018 at 19:14:01
Honestly, I swear some of our so-called fans haven't got a clue. It's a wonder Peter Crouch's name hasn't been thrown in the mix.
Laughable — absolutely laughable!
55 Posted 10/10/2018 at 19:37:57
56 Posted 10/10/2018 at 20:00:26
Tosun's finishing rate last season was more indicative of his talent, though his all-round 'game' could probably do with some improvement. He's not yet found his touch this season but that could have as much to do with adapting to Silva's ways as a downturn in confidence.
When the confidence returns (or I should say 'if' as nothing is certain in this game) we should see fewer comments about him being "just not good enough".
A patient lot us fans.
57 Posted 10/10/2018 at 20:14:58
He has scored one goal in seven this season, the same as Calvert-Lewin, I think he will be back in Turkey in one of the next transfer windows, probably sold at a loss.
58 Posted 10/10/2018 at 20:16:18
A striker is just that, he puts the chances away and we need no more from them than that. Hopefully Tosun will come good but it has to be sooner rather than later.
59 Posted 10/10/2018 at 20:36:36
Calvert-Lewin does need to go out on loan as he has lost confidence in front of goal.
Alan #47, Bolasie has lost his place and been dropped to the bench at Villa. He won't be coming back, M&M have decided he is not good enough and is 30 in May.
60 Posted 10/10/2018 at 20:49:41
He and Bernard CAN play together.
61 Posted 11/10/2018 at 07:26:44
Whilst I appreciate that he does get into some good positions etc etc, I would rather have a bone idle Lukaku type that just does that old fashion thing of scoring!!!
Near misses and effort do not win points; scoring more goals than the opposition do.
62 Posted 11/10/2018 at 08:07:07
I reckon he's played out-wide as much as he has played down the middle... so, for this reason, I don't understand the comparison with a young Graeme Sharp, who could have never played out-wide or run up like this kid.
Just my opinion, but how many people would have predicted a great career for Sharpy, when he first started making his way at Everton?
63 Posted 11/10/2018 at 08:13:08
I should note that these are Premier League stats as I think if a player scores a dozen goals in one season against inferior teams in cups this would not give a true reflection of his ability in the Premier League.
For Kevin (#48), Swansea are a Championship club and as such, Calvert-Lewin could not have scored against them, unless the club has seen the light and sold him to a club at the level he is probably best suited – not a personal attack on him but my opinion of his standard based on stats.
64 Posted 11/10/2018 at 08:29:56
Great post and a very interesting concept of what could be happening at Everton too.
65 Posted 11/10/2018 at 09:05:35
8 in 44 was in all competitions.
4 from 32 in the Premier League is still better than the 1 in 32 you first quoted.
The fact that he can score in cup competitions against lower teams would suggest it is more to do with composure than finishing at the moment. He can score when undoubtedly given a bit more time and space in cups, but snatches a bit in the Premier League. This ability comes with age, there are very few examples of people younger than Calvert-Lewin who have that composure to score regularly at such a young age.
Imagine a couple great strikers who could have been written off at 21...
Kane 5 in 13
Shearer 9 in 77
Calvert-Lewin is doing well for his age.
66 Posted 11/10/2018 at 09:19:43
Lukaku has only ever broken the 20-goal barrier once in the Premier League. I presume therefore, that you are using inferior cups as your argument for a 20+ striker.
Indeed, aged 22, Lukaku played 36 times in the Premier League (pretty much all starting and all up front) and only scored 6 more than Calvert-Lewin did last season.
Like you said – stats.
67 Posted 11/10/2018 at 09:27:38
68 Posted 11/10/2018 at 13:05:44
To quote you Lukaku has only broke the 20+ once, totally agree, but all other seasons guaranteed double figures and close to 20.
For your Kane (5 in 13, which I believe is a good ratio) and Shearer (9 in 77, cannot find a season that long), I will give you:
Fowler aged 17 28/12
Owen Aged 17 36/18
Dean Aged 17 27/27
Last season, head to head, Lukaku & Calvert-Lewin
Lukaku 16 from 34.
Calvert-Lewin 4 from 32.
That is a difference of 12! Lukaku for me every day of the week.
I'm sure we can both produce stats to counter each others argument. Suffice to say I am not happy that Everton believe Calvert-Lewin is the way forward and you seem to be so I will leave it at that.
69 Posted 11/10/2018 at 14:20:30
They both peaked early, I hope Calvert-Lewin, just peaks, and although it's only my opinion, I don't reckon we will see great longevity in Lukaku's career either.
The way forward is to get better players, which looks like it's happening since Brands & Silva came to the club. It's interesting to see there is talk of both Niasse and Tosun leaving, but no such talk of the same thing happening to Calvert-Lewin.
We all want better, but sometimes that just happens with time, which some people don't seem to have anymore.
70 Posted 11/10/2018 at 14:58:45
Not in 1 season.
Kane had only played 13 Premier League games at 21.
As Tony said, Owen and Fowler peaked earlier and were finished earlier.
Kane and Shearer started banging them in around 22 years old, Shearer lasted a lot longer than Fowler or Owen.
Calvert-Lewin is at the age where he needs to start improving, but to write him off with a similar (if not better) goals ratio as Kane or Shearer at a comparable age would be folly.
71 Posted 11/10/2018 at 15:34:02
All things must be considered to create a winning formula.
A centre-forward who doesn't score goals regularly but is pivotal to his other 3 forwards scoring every week deserves careful thought. Like all the systems we try, the proof will be in the pudding.
I think it is a cop-out.
It is making me think that the ‘centre-forward' then is more like a central defender playing No 9 with his back to goal. Shielding and holding up play linking with the midfield and getting it wide quick. The ultimate centre-forward for doing it was the awesome Didier Drogba when playing for Chelsea.
As well as all the nuts and bolts and hard work, he was no shirker on scoring duties. That's one of the major reasons they won a lot of trophies during his time.
Can Brands find us a Drogba?
72 Posted 11/10/2018 at 15:49:27
He didn't score a top flight goal until he was 23.
He'd have never made it at Everton with the “If you're not a world beater at 20, you're never going to be” brigade.
73 Posted 11/10/2018 at 16:01:18
Owen had 10 good years of scoring and Fowler 7. Whereas Kane and Shearer started later so lasted longer.
Can't wait for March 2019, Calvert-Lewin is 22 and we have Liverpool and Chelsea.
Any talk of Niasse and Tosun leaving is only in the media, the same papers that said we are bidding for Shearer etc.
Interesting that there is no talk of Calvert-Lewin leaving as no-one has bidded or shown an interest in him... I wonder why?
74 Posted 11/10/2018 at 16:15:08
Calvert-Lewin might not make it; however, going by your reckoning if we had Shearer, Kane and Drogba in our Youth system. You'd have been saying the same about them at 21 years old - not good enough. By the age of 24 you'd have been looking pretty silly.
Calvert-Lewin would have suitors if he was up for sale. It's generally considered he's not up for sale so there aren't any suitors. You don't see Sigurdsson, Coleman, Keane, Gueye etc linked with moves do you? It's because they aren't considered to be up for sale.
Give him time, he may or may not surprise you.
75 Posted 11/10/2018 at 16:17:02
76 Posted 11/10/2018 at 16:21:46
"Interesting that there is no talk of Calvert-Lewin leaving as noone has bidded or shown an interest in him... wonder why?"
You are mistaken: Dominic Calvert-Lewin to snub Bournemouth to fight for his Everton future.
And how do you know there haven't been more? Just because nothing has shown up in the papers? Inquiries occur all the time that are never reported.
77 Posted 11/10/2018 at 18:14:00
78 Posted 11/10/2018 at 19:24:33
79 Posted 11/10/2018 at 19:27:16
80 Posted 11/10/2018 at 19:35:43
Shearer was 17; in his first full game for Southampton (not his debut) he scored a hat-trick versus Arsenal.
He was not a habitual scorer in his first couple of seasons but was a well respected forward who helped Southampton with many of their goals, and it was obvious he was going to one of the bigger clubs in the near future. He turned down Alex Ferguson and Man Utd when he signed for Blackburn, and, I think, when he joined his home town club Newcastle.
A great goalscorer on the field; a boring bastard off it and on TV.
81 Posted 11/10/2018 at 19:36:04
Shearer was born in August 1970 and made his debut in March 1988 against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. A fortnight later, he scored a hat-trick against Arsenal at the Dell, thus breaking Jimmy Greaves's 30-year record. Shearer was 17 years and 240 days when he bagged the hat-trick.
82 Posted 11/10/2018 at 21:17:36
I think Tosun has quality and is a good finisher. But he lacks the all round game that is needed for a top Premier League striker. He's a 12-goal-a-season man in this league at best. If we want to progress, it will be without Cenk unfortunately. His attitude and effort have been first class and he should be commended for that.
I think the board should explore every possibility of trying to do something for Marcus Rashford. This guy is super talented and Man Utd are not giving him the role his talent deserves. He will look to move and, whilst he may have many options, we should put our best case forward at being the one he selects.
83 Posted 11/10/2018 at 21:23:13
Shearer was 21 going on 22 when he netted 13.
It would equate to Calvert-Lewin this season.
84 Posted 11/10/2018 at 21:44:24
Maybe Owen and Fowler scored more goals when they were younger because they played for a decent team?
Shearer only played for a mid-table Southampton, and Calvert-Lewin has only played for a similar team at Everton so far in his fledgling career, and this is one of the main reasons I don't think it's wise to write this kid off just yet.
85 Posted 12/10/2018 at 06:59:03
86 Posted 12/10/2018 at 07:38:56
Stop trying to put words into peoples mouths.
Point to the occasions where I have said that he will score 13 this season.
Oh right - you cant.
Cant win an argument based on facts, so make stuff up.
87 Posted 12/10/2018 at 08:40:56
Time is in precious short supply with many football brains on here and that applies to the respect afforded to our new manager and Tom Davies.
88 Posted 12/10/2018 at 12:52:59
To quote your 83:
"Shearer was 21 going on 22 when he netted 13.
It would equate to Calvert-Lewin this season."
You said it, I just repeated it, then quoted it back at you!!!!!
I was also never arguing, never argue about football, I make my comments to get considered replies.
Take a chill pill and don't get personal.
89 Posted 12/10/2018 at 23:10:41
90 Posted 12/10/2018 at 23:32:44
His career is an interesting one and Mark Gleason (South African based football journalist and African football historian) has written extensively about Roger Milla. They effectively brought him out of retirement for the World Cup as a token gesture for a legendary player. He repaid them by rolling back the years and producing his most memorable and famous goals complete with trademark celebration.
He then kept his career going long enough to play in the next World Cup and hung his boots up for the final time after it after scoring as a 42-year-old and the oldest outfield player in a World Cup (still a record). He was recognised ahead of even George Weah or Abidi Pele (father of the Ayew brothers currently playing in the Premier League) as the greatest African footballer.
91 Posted 12/10/2018 at 23:50:04
Click the link and scroll down to see footage of a late 20s Roger Milla in action as he twice won the French Cup, scoring in one final, both times whilst still in his 20s. The guy was clearly a player.
92 Posted 12/10/2018 at 23:58:41
93 Posted 13/10/2018 at 01:37:16
At best, he'll be able to improve in order to win a better contract from whomever for whatever's left of his playing career, and that's what I'd like.
Second, he'll unsuccessfully bust a gut in trying to achieve improvement whilst with us (which will be an obvious disappointment all round).
And at worst, he'll fanny about for the duration of his contract whilst being paid a salary he could only have dreamed about two years ago (and that to me will mirror what I've seen in so many of our signings in the Kenwright years).
Over to you, Cenk (and your agent, of course)!
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