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Brands on scouting mission at Lyon

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Marcel Brands and Gretar Steinsson were said to have been at Lyon's game against Lille this evening scouting potential targets for the upcoming summer transfer window.

Everton's Director of Football and Chief European Scout were reported by Euro United to be looking specifically at former Manchester United winger Memphis Depay and France U21 defensive midfielder Lucas Tousart.

However, two players who have also been linked with the Blues, Rafael Leão and Nicolas Pépé would also have been on show for Lille.

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Annika Herbert
1 Posted 06/05/2019 at 06:21:56
Not seen much of Tousart but it would make sense to have a back up in place just in case the worst happened and we did lose Gueye.
Personally I hope we keep Gueye and bring in more quality to strengthen the team in general.
Derek Knox
2 Posted 06/05/2019 at 06:35:51
Unlike Annika I have never even heard of Tousart, apart from recent articles and this thread, but a lot depends on what the situation with Gana actually is, he will be almost irreplaceable.

As for Memphis Depay, I remember him being at Old Trafford when Van Gaal was there and he didn't exactly set the World alight then.

Alan J Thompson
3 Posted 06/05/2019 at 06:39:22
Wouldn't just have been on their way to a yacht in Monaco, would they?
Ray Roche
4 Posted 06/05/2019 at 06:46:59
Derek, my overriding memory of Depay was of turning up for training on his first day at United in a £250000 Rolls Royce. He was about 20-21 and epitomised all that is wrong in football today. And as you say, he didn’t set the world on fire.
Sam Hoare
5 Posted 06/05/2019 at 07:48:30
Tousart has not been great this season, he’s quite slow and his passing is mediocre.

There are plenty more players we could have been scouting including Thiago Maia who’s been excellent in the middle for Lille and was supposedly lined up if Gueye had left in January. Boubakary Soumare also started and scored and is the latest promising young midfielder with a mix of silk and steel to start earning the ‘new Viera/Pogba’ comparisons.

John Malone
6 Posted 06/05/2019 at 07:55:11
Totally agree with Ray’s comment above I wouldn’t touch Depay with a barge pole another of the Pogba/Lukaku generation epitomises everything that is wrong with the modern game.
Derek Knox
7 Posted 06/05/2019 at 08:34:28
Sam @ 5, I'll take your word for it regarding Tousart, but maybe he was not the intended target anyway, it's mere speculation that Brands/Steinsson were there to watch this guy.

You mention Boubakary Soumare there, who I have heard of, and seen in small cameos, and he sounds more likely (hope so) to have been the one they were running the rule over. All will be revealed in the coming weeks.

Kevin Prytherch
8 Posted 06/05/2019 at 09:17:51
Don’t know about anyone else but I’d much rather prefer chasing players who are either British, or have played in England for a couple of years.

Reason being, our best periods of the season were before and after winter. We had a team who were not accustomed to the winter weather we get over here. Arsenal used to struggle every year in comparison to Man Utd when Wenger was using expensive foreign imports every year. They’d get off to a flyer, finish the season well, but always struggled in the middle.

Next season Richarlison, Bernard, Digne, Mina and Gomes will all have that extra years experience of playing through the British winter so hopefully we won’t have as big a dip, however I reckon it takes 2/3 seasons to get fully accustomed to it. If we keep on buying players who are not used to the wet blustery English winters, we’ll always struggle in those winter months.

Just my opinion.

Sam Hoare
9 Posted 06/05/2019 at 09:28:11
Kevin@8, not sure about that. The likes of Firmino, Mane and Salah all seem able to cope with the weather. Likewise Silva, De Bruyne, Fernandinho etc

I think for us it was as much about fitness. Silva had them playing a high press game with little team rotation and I think they looked knackered was not there in Winter and they suffered a loss of confidence too.

English players or PL players tend to be overpriced and the likes of Bolasie, Williams and Schneiderlin have arguably been as bad as any foreign signings we've made in the last few years.

Of course Brands must get the profile right. Bernard for example is a classy player but he's no Brazilian layabout, he works his darned socks off every game come rain or shine. Work rate and professionalism will be essential components of the players Brands prioritises and i'm excited to see who he brings in.

Jerome Shields
10 Posted 06/05/2019 at 10:57:23
It could be any of these players, not including Depay. I agree with Sam that work rate and professionalism will be the priority.
Frank Crewe
11 Posted 06/05/2019 at 11:13:24
Kevin @8,

So you would turn down Messi because he's only ever played in Spain? I've heard of some daft reasons for not buying players but an aversion to rain is right up there with the best of them. Most European countries weather is pretty much the same as ours, particularly the more northern countries. The countries that really get more sun are the southern nations around the Mediterranean. Italy, Greece, South of France, Spain etc, and some of the best players in this country have come from those nations. But, even in those countries, it does get wet and windy from time to time. I would also point out that Gueye was born in Senegal, where it is really hot most of the year, and we bought him from Strasbourg in France. He had never played in this country before signing for us.


Williams is British unless you intend to class anyone who isn't English as foreign.

The fact is that, these days, football is a global business and it doesn't do a club any good to restrict what countries they will get players from. I wouldn't care if we got a player from the Arctic or the Sahara Desert as long as they were good enough; a bit of rain won't hurt them. Especially in these global warming days. Generally speaking, winters are pretty mild in this country.

Rob Halligan
12 Posted 06/05/2019 at 11:23:29
Frank, we actually signed Gueye from Aston Villa, after he'd spent a season with them before being relegated.

As for Bernard, he had spent five years in Ukraine with Shakhtar Donegal before we signed him, so every day in this country must feel like summer to him.

Rob Halligan
13 Posted 06/05/2019 at 11:25:49
FFS Shakhtar Donetsk, unless there is a Donegal in the Ukraine. 😁😁😁
Kevin Prytherch
14 Posted 06/05/2019 at 13:03:45
Sam - Salah and De Bruyne had pretty unspectacular first seasons at Chelsea, when they came back to England they’d already experienced our wet winters and knew what to expect a bit more. This would enable them to hit the ground running. Mane had 2 seasons at Southampton before upping a level at Liverpool. Firmino definitely improved year on year and it was his 3rd season that he really started banging the goals in.

There are obvious exceptions, such as Fernandinho, but in general it takes players time to adapt to both the winters, and the pace of the premier league. Richarlison for example, has started both seasons very brightly when it’s warm, and his form has dipped both seasons in the winter.

Frank - re-read my post. I said players who are accustomed to our weather. For example, Gueye was accustomed to it and hit the ground running.

I’d never advocate turning down a world class player, that’s just a ludicrous point to try and justify an argument. However I’d be wary of getting any more than a couple of players who aren’t used to the pace of the league or the weather.

Fran Mitchell
15 Posted 06/05/2019 at 13:33:36
Don't agree with the logic that players 'used to the cold' would do better, just seems a rather generic statement.

We signed Bolasie, Walcott, Williams, Schneiderlin, Rooney from the Premier League and they stank.

We signed Klaassen from Holland (not exactly the tropics), Vlasic from Croatia (violent winters), Tosun from Turkey (winter is very cold). Just don't see the logic.

We need to sign good players, young players who will improve and adapt. And principally, players that are not too expensive (ruling out the Premier League).

Paul Birmingham
16 Posted 06/05/2019 at 14:37:46
Hopefully they were on a mission, and I’d like to think the Memphis Depay, was not on the radar.

MB, is a shrewd operator and I doubt he’ll be giving any clues, but let’s see what happens.

Must keep Zouma, and Gomes but we’ll have to wait until the enquiry on FFP is announced. Hopefully it’s in our favour.

Also will Mina arrive this preseason? That would be like having a new player in the squad.

Interesting and exciting summer for EFC.

Sam Hoare
17 Posted 06/05/2019 at 15:01:55
Kevin@14 I think we have a transfer team now who will put long term potential ahead of short gain and I’m pleased about that. I take your point that foreign players are more likely to need time to adjust but a long term view is most likely to reap fruit I feel and though I would not be against a James Maddison type signing (maybe Jarrod Bowen?) I think there are better and cheaper available talents abroad.
Mike Gaynes
18 Posted 06/05/2019 at 15:31:27
Ray/John/Paul, I wouldn't touch Depay either based on the immaturity and erratic play he showed at ManUtd, but that was 3-4 years ago, and he appears to have matured since then. In November he was the biggest reason that Lyon eliminated City from the CL -- MOTM in both matches in my view, running his socks off and creating chances for others. This year he has 10 goals in 43 matches in all competitions, which isn't fabulous, but he also has 14 assists from the CF spot, and that's impressive at any level.

I saw multiple press reports last month that the RS were in for him as a potential replacement if Mane departs.

Given Brands' spectacular success in a short transfer window last summer, I'd trust his judgement on Depay.

Ray Roche
19 Posted 06/05/2019 at 15:52:11
Fair enough Mike but his attitude will have needed to improve. We don’t want any Billy Big Bollocks ruining the dressing room atmosphere.
Kieran Kinsella
20 Posted 06/05/2019 at 16:14:13
Kevin 8

The weather argument was only used at Everton as I recall by Michael Madar. It was too cold for him supposedly. However, that joker started out at Sochaux based in Montebliard, Eastern France. Their average temperatures there between October and March are between 2 and six degrees colder than Merseyside. They also have more snowfall. So obviously, he was a big liar and he just couldn't be arsed playing.

Andrew Ellams
21 Posted 06/05/2019 at 17:14:02
There is a story on Newsnow linking us to Thiago Mendes as a replacement for Gana. As his at Lille maybe Lyon players weren't the target of this trip.
Barry McNally
22 Posted 06/05/2019 at 17:58:54
Lille are odds-on to qualify for CL group stages and Lyon will likely get to third qualifying round - will any of their players swap CL for significant increase in wages and PL football?
Barry McNally
23 Posted 06/05/2019 at 18:00:02
Answer is probably yes, money talks!
Shane Corcoran
24 Posted 06/05/2019 at 18:06:18
Rob, brilliant.

I think Coleman played with them before he moved to Sligo.

Joe Corgan
25 Posted 06/05/2019 at 18:33:01
Mike 18: Lyon didn't eliminate City from the Champions League. Man City qualified top of their group despite losing to, then drawing with, Lyon.
Bobby Mallon
26 Posted 06/05/2019 at 18:38:48
I think playing in a tougher league without a winter break hinders some foreign players at first, they don’t seem to be able to handle the fitness needed to sustain the winter schedule. Look how well we have done since the lads had two weeks off.
Paul Tran
27 Posted 06/05/2019 at 19:15:21
When Depay went to Utd it was all over the Dutch press that he was going there way too early, he couldn't resist the money, was going to end in tears, etc. And they were right. Playing very well in France by all accounts.

We will be linked with lots of players this summer. Various people on here will get excited/annoyed on the basis of untrustworthy papers/websites.

Sit back, relax and wait till they're in the shirt. Brands tends to do things properly.

Paul Tran
28 Posted 06/05/2019 at 19:17:38
When Depay went to Utd it was all over the Dutch press that he was going there way too early, he couldn't resist the money, was going to end in tears, etc. And they were right. Playing very well in France by all accounts.

We will be linked with lots of players this summer. Various people on here will get excited/annoyed on the basis of untrustworthy papers/websites.

Sit back, relax and wait till they're in the shirt. Brands tends to do things properly.

Mike Gaynes
29 Posted 06/05/2019 at 19:34:09
Thanks for the correction, Joe... that's what I get for posting while sleepy.

But Depay really was very good against Citeh.

Ben McVeigh
30 Posted 07/05/2019 at 02:22:36
I like Sam's #17 comments, a Jarrod Bowen type player is perfect fit, if we can unload Walcott.
Has anyone seen Marc Roca from Espanyol? Spanish mates keep talking him up, but I don't get La Liga matches in Aus, apparently a quality young defensive midfielder.
If we are going to have a tight budget, what are thoughts on any pickups from the relegated teams, ie a cheap CF to compete with DCL.
Gavin Johnson
31 Posted 07/05/2019 at 05:08:31
Does anyone know anything about Lucas Tousart? If Gana does want to leave I won't begrudge him. I think we sign Gomes but will then need someone to come in for Gana if he leaves. A french U21 who's playing for Lyon shouldn't be no slouch. I also think Schneiderlin could play a bigger role as the anchorman protecting defence if we do have to sell Gana.

As for Zouma. I'm beginning to think he'll be back at Chelsea next season even if they can lift the their transfer ban. If that's the case I'd like us to try and buy Jonathan Tah, from Bayern Leverkusen.

Bobby Mallon
32 Posted 07/05/2019 at 06:42:59
If we are going to get a striker, then the person has to be a proven goal scorer, a vardy mane lukaku finisher and I don’t mean going out and buying one of those three just a player who can finish like them. We have plenty of young talent of our own, Sambou, Hornby, Onyekuru without going and buying someone.
We need to 1) keep hold of Gana 2) buy a top striker 3) buy a top defender ( as zouma is leaving) 4) stop being sentimental and offload our ageing players baines, jags,
Williams. Plus Besic, Sandro, Dowell ( as I don’t think he’s a silva type player). Start preparing like a top side with 2/3 quality players.
Bobby Mallon
33 Posted 07/05/2019 at 08:06:04
A sneaky bid for out of contract kompany
Iain Johnston
34 Posted 07/05/2019 at 10:35:08
A couple of bids for Bournemouth's Fraser & Cooke would do me.
Nicholas Randall
35 Posted 07/05/2019 at 23:55:46
I think Kevin is wrong to say Everton need to get players in that are used to an English winter. In general the whole of the United Kingdom has mild winters. This is especially true in Liverpool because it is closer to the coast. Liverpool receives more rain because it is near the north west coast and weather systems come in from the Atlantic meaning that western areas are wetter than central and eastern areas. I think that foreign footballers will be used to rain in an English winter.
Si Cooper
36 Posted 09/05/2019 at 06:45:37
Nicholas, we certainly have a more temperate climate than would be expected (we are the same latitude as Nova Scotia I think) due to North Atlantic Drift and being coastal (not sure what you mean by being ‘near’ the coast, rather than on the coast for a maritime city). I didn’t think Liverpool was particularly wet though, with Manchester being North West as well but significantly wetter. When I was at school they taught that the Sefton Coast was second sunniest (that doesn’t necessarily equate to hottest) region in the country due to being in the ‘rain shadows’ of North Wales, Pennines /Peak District, and Lake District, but maybe climate change has put paid to that.
I always thought our biggest weather bugbear was the winds that blow in unhindered from the West.
All in all, I very much agree that our weather shouldn’t be an over-riding factor for most players.
Alan J Thompson
37 Posted 09/05/2019 at 07:29:15
Si(#36); There use to be an expression in Liverpool that if you could see the Welsh hills then it was about to rain and if you couldn't see them it was because it was raining.

I used to play cricket at Aigburth (not Liverpool CC) right on the river and for some reason they decided to start a season early, in early April I think, and after a while one of the umpires had to be taken off the ground suffering from hypothermia due to the wind off the river.

If memory serves, it was the weather that got the old cold sponge its reputation as it usually went either up the front of your shirt or down the front of your shorts so when you saw it coming you got up and on with it.

James Hughes
38 Posted 09/05/2019 at 08:08:23
Well I hope Brands gets it right this summer and brings in some decent recruits. Chelski's transfer ban has been upheld so a very realistic chance we won't get Zouma.
Alan J Thompson
39 Posted 09/05/2019 at 13:12:08
James(#38); How does this transfer ban work? I assume they can neither sell nor buy (change registration) but if Zouma is out on loan then wouldn't he be registered to the club to whom he has been loaned? And could a player simply walk out on them even if still contracted on the basis of restraint of trade if he doesn't get a regular game or is RoT not applicable if contracted and paid as agreed? And does it apply to goalkeepers who I believe can be signed outside of transfer windows in an emergency.
Si Cooper
40 Posted 09/05/2019 at 15:53:19
I haven’t looked into it but the transfer ban has to be one on signing players not selling them surely, with the problem being for us that they won’t want to sell Kurt Zouma unless they can replace him?
On the Liverpool climate, Alan, moaning about the weather is a British pastime and there won’t be one inch of the country where you couldn’t see the ‘4 seasons in one day’ mix of weather or fairly reasonably be expecting some precipitation in the near future most of the year and the same will likely apply to many parts of Europe. Liverpool has been ranked the 18th wettest UK city (out of a total of 63) which I don’t think is that bad considering the West Coast is generally the wettest. I firmly believe that our patch doesn’t really hit the extremes in any meteorological category. I’ve visited some of the drier places such as Wakefield, York, and Newcastle in the middle of winter and have been very happy to hasten back to the warmer North West coast!
John Raftery
41 Posted 09/05/2019 at 16:10:15
Chelsea can sell but they can’t buy.

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