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Jonas Lössl could make a quick move back to the Premier League by joining Everton according to a report in France.

Foot Mercato suggest that the out-of-contract keeper will move from Huddersfield to Goodison Park to become Jordan Pickford's understudy in place of Maarten Stekelenburg.

That would contradict rumours that Marco Silva was readying Joao Virginia for that role.

Football Insider, meanwhile, are claiming that they have been told by an Everton FC source that the 30-year-old has already had a medical.

Original Source: Foot Mercato via Sport Witness  


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Derek Knox
1 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:21:34
I'm all in favour of this as I didn't trust Stekelenburg if called upon to deputise, but I do feel a bit for Joao Virginia, as it was mooted recently that he was to start training with the first team squad.

Maybe he has been training with them, and they have decided he needs another year, or even a loan spell to hone his undoubted skills.

Getting back to Stek, another of Koeman's cronies who has had a 3 year season (free) ticket for the gravy train, money for old dope!

Steve Ferns
2 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:33:36
Derek, Joao Virginia has been with the first team since Day 1.

This is how it works. Virginia is the 3rd choice. He is part of the match day squad. He trains day in, day out with the first team. If you want confirmation then watch the behind the scenes videos that come out every week, you will see Virginia on every single one of them. Further, look at when the u23s clash with first team games, Virginia did not play, as he was with the first team squad, ready to step up to the bench if someone pulled a hamstring in the warm up or landed awkwardly, but most importantly to get experience.

Ask anyone who goes the games, Virginia is on the pitch before every home game performing in all the warmups and working with Stek and Pickford. Every single home game, I cannot confirm he's at every away game but I don't see why it would be different.

Virginia was pulled away from Arsenal. Silva and his Portuguese connections know a lot about the kid. To be fair, he's well known to most sides, he was at Arsenal and he won the Euros with Portugal's youth side.

First assumption on my part is that they said to Virginia that he would be third choice (as he was) and that he was behind a 36/37 year old and that the way was clear to step up to 2nd choice if he did well, and no other Premier League side would give him that.

He's played extremely well. He did brilliantly for the u23s, especially when you consider that he did not train with them and so only knew his teammates from games. Every report on the u23s says how well he did and he barely made a mistake (one big one though).

So why on earth would we take this lad on a free and knock Virginia down to 4th choice? It would only make sense if this lad looked like he would be better, but nothing I've seen would make me think that. Or if Stekelenburg is off, but then why not sign another elder statesman with experience to give Pickford and Virginia?

Load of cobblers if you ask me.

Steve Ferns
3 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:41:30
If you want a freebie from Huddersfield to make up the numbers, isn't Durm (a 7 time German international and ex-Dortmund player) a better bet. He's a fullback who can play both sides. Sure, I ain't seen enough of him to know how good he is, but his versatility would make more sense than the keeper.
Derek Knox
4 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:44:58
Steve, thanks for the details and explanation, but as I understand it Stek, is out of contract soon is he not?

If that is the case, it does make more sense, even though Huddersfield got relegated, he wasn't a bad stopper, maybe it is cobblers, we shall see soon.

Rob Halligan
5 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:50:38
Derek, Stek has 12 months left on his contract. Makes no sense to me to be linked with Lossl, unless Stek has put a transfer request in, which I doubt. Joao Virginia is, in my opinion, a more than capable deputy to Pickford.
Kieran Kinsella
6 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:51:51
Derek

Stek extended his deal last year

Steve Ferns
7 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:53:17
He's got one more year left, Derek. I think he's as good as Everton can expect for a back-up. Pickford would not sit on our bench, and lose his England place, and no other player of that level would come in and play second fiddle to Pickford. That's the level Everton are at, I'm afraid. Maybe this lad would be able backup, but I would rather see Stek impart his knowledge and experience of playing at the very highest level to Pickford and Virginia. Watching Stek in the warm-ups, and comparing him to back-up keepers of the past, well he is extremely committed. He works well with Pickford and I believe that shows a strong bond. I see him as part of the team and helping Pickford, even if he does not play. If he's to leave for first team football, then I would want another Stek, someone who has won leagues, has played in the the World Cup Final, the Champions League, the Europa League, a seasoned international who has seen it all and done it all. Pickford is still very young and he needs someone like that helping him.

Pickford plays 38 games a season, he did so this season and last. He's that age where he bounces through the niggles and shakes them off. If he got a serious injury then we could always get a loan player in, or just be brave and give Virginia a game.

Lossl, a 30 year old journeyman, is not the signing we should be making. He doesn't have Stek's pedigree, he doesn't have Virginia's potential. If we get rid of Stek, then it's a Nigel Martyn type we need.

David Pearl
8 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:58:54
I thought Stek was out of contract soon. Isn’t Pope from Burnley also available?
You know for all you need to know buy a copy of Football Manager 2019 and real contract information is available along with tactical analysis and scouting reports. My last copy was maybe 8 years ago and it’s bizarre how accurate it is with what players come through. In that reality I had Robben playing for us and I won 3 CHampions League before I got bored. I know I should of continued past 7 finals... then in my head I’d be saying ‘7’ times like a true gobshite.
Steve Ferns
9 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:05:09
David, last time I played that game, Jose Baxter went on to eclipse Messi. Previous versions saw Bakayoko become the world's best. Should I name Tonton Zola Moukoko and Cherno Samba for other predictions on game that were wildly wrong?
Ben Jones
10 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:05:36
I completely agree with Derek here.

Stek is no good for a 2nd choice keeper. The point is to challenge Pickford which he is never going to do. I don’t care how old enough or experienced enough he is.

Virginia is a different argument. He has as Steve has said been very good at u23 level. I wouldn’t have too much issue having him as 2nd choice. But you could argue for his development he could play first team out on loan to a Championship club to gain experience.

Lossl isn’t a brilliant keeper but he’s been decent in the Premier league and he’s a Danish international. He’s also a free transfer. I don’t have a problem getting someone like that and shipping Virginia out on loan. Stek I’m not sure about, keep him as 3rd choice or get rid.

I think getting Losl is a smart bit of business so I’m all for it.

Steve Ferns
11 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:17:00
Ben, I don't know how good Stekelenburg is right now. You're probably right that Lossl is better. But Lossl would never be good enough to displace Pickford. He's not at that level. So unless I am very much mistaken, how is he going to "push" Pickford?

And is that really the job of the backup keeper? I remember Mimms was a top keeper, but other than that who did Southall have "pushing him"? Jason Kearton? Jim Arnold? A long list of nobodies who were never going to eclipse Big Nev. He didn't need pushing.

For me, a massive part of what Stek does is coaching. He is on the pitch before every game, at every half time, and his intensity in helping Pickford prepare, firing the ball at him with vigour, and working Pickford, is far better than any other backup I have ever seen at Goodison.

Is this not his role? To help Pickford prepare? To impart his knowledge having played for Ajax, Roma, and Monaco? To have played 58 times for the Dutch, to have played in the 2010 World Cup Final. He's only 36, he's not quite done yet. He's exactly what I would want as backup to my England international keeper.

Pope would not come here and sit on our bench. If he did and got in, Pickford would be off. we're not in the Big Six yet. We cannot have someone like Sergio Romero warming our bench.

Stek is perfect for me, and Silva has been singing his praises about his ability in training:

"The first thing I have to tell you, because it is the truth, is that he has been fantastic since the first day," he said.

"Big credit to him for that. And he will be fantastic until the end because we are talking about a very, very good professional.

"His behaviour everyday in training is fantastic, even if he knows that we will be playing Jordan. He is training hard everyday and always ready to help.”

Ben Jones
12 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:22:42
I see your point Steve in regards to his coaching and experience.

I’m not sure that’s the job of a 2nd keeper though. I don’t think we will see the b

Mike Gaynes
13 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:23:12
Steve, agreed. This move makes no sense on the surface.

UNLESS... Virginia may be off on loan this fall.

I believe this rumor. Too many media reports, including Mercato saying he's actually undergone a physical.

And Lossl is a really good keeper, excellent shot-stopper, quicker and younger than Stek. Makes big saves at big moments -- I remember he kept Huddersfield up last year with a couple of absolute blinders against Chelsea on the last day of the season. Has distribution issues, but for a backup, who doesn't?

We need three keepers. If Virginia's headed to the Championship for a loan season to harden his competitive skin, we could hardly do better for a backup than Lossl. And Stek can keep right on doing what he's doing for Pickford.

Ben Jones
14 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:26:32
Sorry about that. What I was saying is Pickford needs genuine competition. I would never expect Lossl to start regularly over him. But at least if Pickford is in a bad run of form Lossl can step in. I can’t see Silva relying on Stek to do the same. I think the increase in competition would make a better Jordan Pickford as well.
Derek Knox
15 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:29:28
Thanks guys, I was under the impression, he (Stek) was nearing the end of his contract, I know It's all about opinions, but I don't rate Stek one bit, and never have.
Steve Ferns
16 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:32:01
Mike, it makes no sense to loan a kid like Virginia out. He's 19, he's still a baby.

If we had a 16 year old Rooney now, you wouldn't want to loan him out, you'd want to keep getting him ready for the first team, to train with them and to learn. Not to get the shit kicked out of him in the Championship.

Where loans make sense is not with future superstars, it's with the guys you aren't sure of. Kieran Dowell, for example. Lot of talent there, but not enough you are sure he's going to be good enough for us, so give him a loan and see if he develops.

I don't think a loan is right for Virginia. I think he should have a clear route to the first team, I believe he will oust Pickford within a few years, or maybe more likely, allow us to cash in on Pickford, with the hope and expectation that Virginia can be even better. I wouldn't want a loan to ruin that.

Tony Hill
17 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:39:29
It's a triangulation - excluding Stek - which would require the departure of one of them within 2-3 years since none of them would accept third place. Perhaps the plan is to get rid of Pickford.

I think we need to start being bold and I would like Virginia to be given his chance as number 2. If I were him, and if Lossl (who has 7-8 years still ahead as a top keeper) joins, I would be pissed off, loan or no loan.

Steve Ferns
18 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:40:34
Ben, I don't agree with this whole "take players out of the firing line" thing. I heard a few Man Utd fans say it about De Gea. I was amazed. Ok, it works with strikers. Your striker is on a bad run, put him on the bench and let the backup have a go. The striker can still come off the bench, and pay a few minutes and find a bit of luck and then force his way back in. You cannot do that with keepers.

If Pickford has a bad run of form, as he did this season, you let him play through it, like we did. You work on the training pitch, and no doubt Stek played his part. Keepers need confidence. Confidence is everything. Dropping a keeper can kill confidence and can kill a promising career.

Just look at Joe Hart. Joe is not old. He's not had a career ending injury. He's not declined physically. However his confidence has gone completely. It will probably never return. He's probably finished as a top class keeper. All at the age of 32, or 30 when Guardiola dropped him. What about Paul Robinson of Leeds and Tottenham? He was another good young keeper. Perhaps a little overrated in terms of being the undisputed England number 1, but he was not far off that level. However, he was finished young, leaving Tottenham in his late 20s and at 32 he was relegated and never played top level again. He's still only 39.

Keeper's need confidence. It's more or less everything. Pickford is a cocky little git. You drop him for Lossl and it could destroy that whole thing, and it can wreck his career. You need to be careful with Keepers.

Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:43:04
Steve #16, I'll leave that decision to Silva's judgement.

But I don't necessarily agree with you. Virginia isn't your average teenager. He's not long and skinny -- he's built like a bridge tower. Looked like a man among boys in the U-23 final.

Now let's assume for a moment that his physical development is matched by his emotional maturity. (Again, Silva's assessment.) What the hell good would it do him to spend another season in the U-23s? What more can he accomplish there? How can he develop further while playing in front of empty stands against teenagers?

He can't. His next step (again, per his manager's judgement) would be go play in front of big crowds against grownups. There are plenty of good managers in the Championship who could help him make the next step and be more ready when Picks moves on.

That, to me, is a reasonable rationale for Silva to loan him out. Lots of young keepers go that route. And hey, not saying he's Donnarumma, but if a 17-year-old can start in Serie A, a 20-year old can start in the Championship.

I'll go with the manager's call on this one. (Not that I have any choice.) And it's the only scenario in which signing Lossl makes sense.

Steve Ferns
20 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:48:31
Mike, he isn't in the u23s. He's in the first team. Day in, day out. He just goes to the u23 matches and plays for them, if and only if, it does not clash with first team duties. He is on the pitch with the first team before every game. He is working with them and training with Pickford and Stekelenburg like he's about to play.

Now what does he have to gain from this current setup? Day in, day out he is training with top class players. He is making saves and going one on one with our best. When they want to do extra shooting training, do we risk Pickford? No, it's Virginia who's staying behind after training.

He's exactly where he needs to be at this age and with this potential. And yes, I've seen the lad up close, he's much bigger than Pickford at about 6'3" or 6'4" and he's got a good build on him. He's still thin, but he's more or less the shape size and shape as Stek, if just little thinner. He comes and trains right in front of me before every game.

Jamie Crowley
21 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:53:23
Wasn't there a rumor recently (few months ago) that Everton were looking to offload Pickford?

I thought it 100% crap, but maybe (?) we are going to get some big money for him, and Silva doesn't feel as if it will hurt the team as much f he goes, bringing in a player at another position with the Picks money?

I really hope not, but is there any validity in that thought process?

Steve Ferns
22 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:57:01
Jamie, if Lossl is coming in to replace Pickford, then Silva would get lynched. That's utter madness. If we decided to cash in on Pickford because we think he's actually overrated, then surely you would consider one of Heaton, Pope or Butland? You could probably sign any of them for half of what you would get for Pickford and still have a lot of money left over to spend on the other position. No need for Lossl then is there?
Mike Gaynes
23 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:01:37
I know that, Steve #20, but he doesn't PLAY with the first team. All the top-class training in the world doesn't duplicate game experience. He's not making actual saves, just practice. And he sure as hell isn't going up for a high cross in a crowded penalty area in the 90th minute in front of 30,000 maniacs at Elland Road.

You're entitled to your belief that the kid is not ready for that, but rather needs another year of stopping practice shots and watching Pickford. But if Silva is thinking that some battlefield experience is what Virginia needs next, I would think you'd be on board with it given your faith in him.

Of course, I could be completely misreading the tea leaves here, and we're signing Lossl just on the basic principle of you can't have too many good players. But to me this is an indicator of Virginia heading out for an adventure.

Bet you a buck he gets loaned out if Lossl is signed.

Mike Gaynes
24 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:04:07
Jamie #21, I'd be shocked.

A year from now, very possible. Right now? Brands would need an armored car to go grocery shopping.

Terry White
25 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:11:47
Mike & Steve, I think you are getting rather agitated about a newspaper story.
Mike Gaynes
26 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:14:57
Terry, it's called withdrawal. There's no Everton game tomorrow to talk about. Addicts babble when they can't get a fix.

Just having fun.

Steve Ferns
27 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:17:20
Mike, just because I have faith in Silva doesn't mean I think he's Jesus or some kind of second coming. He's the kind of coach I've been dying for us to hire, but he's not fulfilment of some kind of prophecy to win us the league. I believe that he's capable of taking us to the top and has no ceiling in terms of potential.

If he loans Virginia out, I think it will be the wrong decision. As I have said, loans should be for older players. Ones who have had the opportunity and have learnt, but have not forced their way into the Everton first team. That is players you are starting to think might never make it.

Players I would not consider loaning out right now are: Feeney, Astley, Davies, Gordon, Simms. All 18-20 and I think could make it. If they reach 22 and are not first team, then I'd look to loan them out. For example, I would never consider loaning out Jonjo Kenny, but now he's 22, if he's not good enough to be in the first team after pre-season then I would be doubting he's good enough, and out on loan he would go.

And I do believe you can have too many good players. That's a definite. Last season under Koeman we had far too many players. I prefer a small squad. More harmonious and everyone plays more often. If you get injuries, well that's football, and it's a chance for kids.

I believe in youth, and I would always want to see a pathway for the youth to get into the first team. I would always want to see the 4th choice centre-back be no older than 21, same with 4th choice centre-mid, or winger, or 3rd choice striker. And definitely the 3rd choice keeper should be no older than 23.

It also helps you balance the books. youth is cheap, it's disposable. If Kenny isn't good enough, he's on £25,000 per week. Half of what Martina is on. It's easy to offload him, he's affordable to Championship clubs. Less on wages, more to spend on big transfer fees.

Virginia will be on peanuts. Lossl will want a decent salary. £50,000 a week easy. That's £8m if you give him a 3 year deal, plus signing on fees, agent fees, and all the other forgotten transfer expenses. And for what, a player likely to sit on our bench and never play, and barely, if at all, better than Stekelenburg and with none of the experience or wisdom to pass on to Pickford.

Steve Ferns
28 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:18:58
Terry, it's a discussion between two guys who respect each other's knowledge of the game, opinion and want to have a frank discussion. I only wish I had the chance to do so over a beer with Mike in person. I would definitely enjoy it. He's buying though.
Rob Halligan
29 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:22:18
Joao Virginia is only 19 years old. Far too young in my opinion to be a first choice goalkeeper at any club. I remember reading an article by Jordan Pickford about when he was loaned out by Sunderland to lower league clubs, and he took one hell of a battering by big grok centre forwards every time he played.

Ok, stuff like that may toughen you up, but could just as easily have the opposite affect on him. Let him learn his trade at Everton, and in 3 or 4 years he can challenge Pickford for the number one slot, and maybe look forward to 15 years as our number one goalkeeper if and when Pickford moves on.

Leave things as they are, and if in 12 months time, Stek decided to call it a day, then I'm sure there will be plenty of other goalkeepers similar to Lossl, age wise, who would jump at the chance to join Everton as a number two to Pickford.

Steve Ferns
30 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:30:29
Exactly Rob. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I know most will disagree with me, but Steve Simonsen could have been a top class keeper. We handled him badly and he took a battering mentally at too young an age, before he was ready for it, and he never got to the level he could have gotten to. For any keeper too keep that many clean sheets in the 2nd tier (in what is now the Championship) playing for a club like Tranmere Rovers, shows the potential that kid had. He's not as big as the biggest modern keepers (we are talking well over 15 years ago now) but he was as big as where about in the 90s, and he had every physical quality going. Great athleticism, great wingspan, great reflexes, great leap. For me he had the lot. but he was in too soon, and in the era where we fans were slating keeper after keeper (Paul Gerrard, Thomas Myhre and Steve himself) for not meeting the standards we expect, because those standards were set by big Nev, and you could not expect a 20 year old kid to be at that level. Had he been introduced gradually, say after Nigel Martyn, then I think it would have been different.

As I said above, a lot of what makes a top goalkeeper is confidence. And if you lose it, properly lose it, like Joe Hart has done, you can never get it back. So Virginia needs to be looked after and brought in at the right time, in the right games. And I see no reason for him to go the Pickford route. Just because it worked Jordan does not mean it would work for Joao.

Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:46:53
Steve #27, I wouldn't loan out any of those guys either. But none of them look like current Prem players to me in terms of physical maturity.

FYI Lossl was on £28,000/week at Huddersfield, and I doubt we'll have to go anywhere near £50K for a relegated 30-year-old keeper.

Rob #29, you point out another factor that might figure into Silva's calculus -- Virginia isn't going to want to wait 3-4 years for a #1 job. He's too good. If he's in the same status a year from now, I doubt he'll sign a contract extension. Aside from his assessment of the kid, Silva might be heading off a transfer request.

Again, I may be completely misreading this situation. I'm a lousy soothsayer. But Steve, I'll wager you that beer that IF Lossl signs, Joao will be loaned.

Ray Robinson
32 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:53:05
Only my opinion I know, but I consider Lössl to have been one of the worst keepers in the Premier League - indeed his form was so bad at one point this season that he lost his place in Huddersfield's team. A very unreliable keeper.

Promote Virginia to #2 and offer Stek a coaching role if his input is that sought after.

Steve Ferns
33 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:59:02
Mike, if Lossl signs then one of Stek or Virginia leaves. Stek would be on a free but Virginia would be on loan. That’s a no-brainer.

If Lossl signs, I would bet that it’s because Stek is off. Virginia would remain where he is and then next season he would be off loan and someone else would step up to 3rd choice.

Rob Halligan
34 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:00:10
Mike, I understand that. Every player wants to play first team football. Unfortunately for a goalkeeper, there is only one place available for him, it's not like an outfield player who can maybe be played out of position. In 3 or 4 years time Virginia will still only be 23 or 24 years old, with the prospect of at least 15 of 16 years ahead of him as a number one goalkeeper for whichever club he plays for.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

35 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:12:56
Steve @ 16:

"Mike, it makes no sense to loan a kid like Virginia out. He's 19, he's still a baby."

Dunno about that. You don't have to look any further than our current #1 and his own extensive loan history, from an earlier age than Virginia is now, to consider that it seems to have served him well.

Just sayin' like.

A back-up keeper - unless you are one of the stupidly rich monied clubs that can contract two current internationals - is a tricky one to cover.

Gavin Johnson
36 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:22:54
Stekelenburg gave the best singular performance I've ever seen between the sticks from an Everton keeper when he saved 2 penalties and made a series of worldy saves against City a few years ago. His problem is that he's always had more errors in him than a GK playing at the highest level should. He always seems susceptible to an error from saving long distance shots where he neither holds onto the ball or parry's it away safely.

This story seems to be true and think Lossl would be an overall improvement over Stekelenburg. I thought that Virginia would become No.2 this summer but if this lads coming in, perhaps a loan move might be right for the young keepers progression.

I also don't think a No.2 necessarily has to be a young keeper with potential or the old pro who can pass on their experience. I don't know who our GK coach is right now, but we've had some notable names in the past like Chris Woods and Peter Bonetti, and first and foremostly it should be the GK coach who draws on their experiences to help any GK who is having a rough time. We defaultly get young or old backup keepers as No.2's because they're usually most content to be a squad member. If we bought a keeper to really push Pickford for the No.1 spot then we should look at buying Fraser Forster who inexplicably a No.2 right now. I don't think he'd sign for another club to be a No.2 so if Jonas Lossl is willing to come in and be backup for Pickford, I'm okay with that because he seems to be an improvement on Stekelenburg.

Steve Ferns
37 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:30:52
Jay, I said on another thread that Pickford has done that. I doubt he went on loan for any reason other than they didn’t foresee his career progression. Otherwise why would he be in non-leage and every other tier between there and the premier league at one stage or another. Clearly, it developed his character as he fought tooth and nail to the to the top. But that doesn’t make it the blueprint for Joao Virginia.

If Joao is battering down Silva’s door demanding a loan, then sure, you consider it. If he’s happy to keep learning within the confines of the first team squad and playing u23 matches then that’s what id want from him at 19 years of age.

As for the goalkeeper coach. It’s Hugo Oliveira. He was at Benfica when Man City’s Ederson was there. He got a lot of credit for his development. Silva brought him to Hull and then Watford. He’s a bit of a character and has a good reputation in the game.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

38 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:49:27
Lots of presumptions in that, Steve.

Even if only part of it is true, as you say yourself it "clearly [another presumption] developed [Pickford's] character as he fought tooth and nail to the to the top."

Maybe Pickford already had the 'never quit' trait before going out on loan, eh?

It may not "make it the blueprint for Joao Virginia" (I don't see anyone in this thread claiming that), but Pickford himself has said on camera many times that all his loan spells were a great learning curve for him, so it is an option that has proven results in Everton's current leading gloveman.

It's a very sweeping statement you make to say such loans for a young keeper make 'no sense'.

Simon Smith
39 Posted 18/05/2019 at 00:04:25
I'd imagine Virginia to go out on loan, especially as Silva has said hes too good for u23 level.

Lossl is a good addition, but I'd like to see him used more wisely than many team use there 2nd choice keeper.

For me back up keepers being in goal in the fa cup is a big no no, I'd give Lossl games at home in the league against the weaker teams, along with some cup games that suit the keepers level.

Steve Ferns
40 Posted 18/05/2019 at 00:12:18
Jay, I don’t believe we should ever loan out our best young kids. I don’t believe that’s best for their development. I believe it can help develop players who you might have doubts about. If you believe that loaning out Virginia is the best thing for him, then that’s your opinion. As mike says we have to trust the manager who sees him every day, and clearly believes in him enough to sign him in the first place. I just don’t think a loan is right. And I definitely don’t agree with this signing.
Don Alexander
41 Posted 18/05/2019 at 00:32:34
The last thing this squad needs is yet another 30 year-old alleged "wanna-be".
Andrew Keatley
42 Posted 18/05/2019 at 00:34:24
It’s good to have a preferred pattern for our Under 23 players. Other clubs (like Chelsea) loan so many of their young players out because otherwise their Under 23 squad would be fifty-strong. I think sometimes the individual player in question will have more of a say - like Lookman did when he reportedly refused a domestic loan in favour of going to Leipzig. Other young players have refused to go out on loan, or forced one through. I think Joao Virginia could benefit from playing games; he seems to have huge confidence in his own ability but is going to struggle to play any meaningful football at Everton as long as Pickford is here and doing all right.

As for Lossl, his stock has fallen in the last 18 months. I imagine any move to acquire him or another goalkeeper is part of an overall plan that will mean that one of our current 3 keepers will not be here next season - so we’ll have to wait and see which one it is.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

43 Posted 18/05/2019 at 01:27:21
Steve @ 40.

I haven't expressed an opinion on whether it's a good idea to loan out Virginia. Nor have I expressed an opinion on the (only rumoured) signing of Lossl - a player who has not registered with me AT ALL.

I simply pointed out that the loan system seemingly worked out just fine for Jordan Pickford, as it did for arguably the club's greatest ever goalkeeper, 'the Bin Man', who was also getting battered in non-league teams at the age Virginia now is.

I make no presumptions about the inner thoughts of Marco Silva and the career path he intends for any Everton player.

Derek Knox
44 Posted 18/05/2019 at 01:45:24
I am wondering whether Koeman has been given the nod for the Barcelona Manager's job, and he has invited Stekelenburg to join him. That would explain why they would want a back-up in Jonas Lossl, as Stek is due to leave and join him.
Mike Gaynes
45 Posted 18/05/2019 at 03:40:00
Derek, bit of miscommunication there. Koeman has actually been named the manager of Barcelona Burger and Beer Garden in Mooresville, North Carolina. His appointment was delayed by his difficulty in learning the language, but he is reported to be speaking passable Southern now.

And I believe it will be Big Dunc who will be joining him as assistant, because the joint needs a big bouncer on Saturdays.

Derek Knox
46 Posted 18/05/2019 at 05:02:24
We'll Mike it all makes sense now, well sort of, if Stek has latent culinary skills, he may want him to produce his bacon, cheese, triple Stekburger. Simples!
Dave Abrahams
47 Posted 18/05/2019 at 09:13:04
Talking about the goalkeepers coach at Everton, he doesn’t seem to have improved Pickford in the last twelve months, he’s still making the same mistakes but is making less of them because he has had less to do in the last few weeks.
Jon Withey
48 Posted 18/05/2019 at 10:06:32
Problem is, if Pickford gets seriously injured - what sort of a season would we have with Stek as #1 ?

Interesting times.

Dave Williams
49 Posted 18/05/2019 at 11:14:11
What an interesting discussion and Steve and Mike each make some very valid points.
As a club our record concerning bringing young keepers through is absolutely shocking. I can’t recall a local lad making the grade as a first team regular since Andy Rankin back in 1971. Drew Brand had a game or two and was then dropped never to reappear but I can’t recall anyone making it from the reserves/ under 23s. Maybe this is because the bigger clubs prefer to use established keepers rather than take a chance with youth but nevertheless it is a very poor return on the money we must spend in developing keepers.
This lad sounds very good and I really hope he is given a proper chance as I have serious doubts over Pickford and if we could replace him at a decent profit I would do it.
Jamie Crowley
50 Posted 18/05/2019 at 13:58:30
Steve and Mike -

I hear you loud and clear about the madness of letting Pickford go.

But!

Silva has been bigging up Stek. Lossl is rumored in. Virginia sounds more than capable, albeit young.

If you can cash in on Picks and get a really good young striker, is it really that bad a move?

Riverboat gambler type stuff, but we are talking about Marcel Brands here, who has balls as big as Texas.

I'm not so sure I'd be against the gamble. I love Pickford, I've made that abundantly clear on other posts. But if we could get silly money for him and bring someone in who bags 20-25 goals a season, and Stek OR Lossl is between the sticks while Virginia develops another year or two, are we or are we not a better team?

We need to score more goals.

I just don't think the idea, again being a gamble but isn't everything in life a bit of a gamble, is that far-fetched the more I consider it.

And if you're a 8th place team, don't you have to roll the dice a bit to attempt to break that Top 6 ceiling?

Stek isn't a bad keeper. If we increase our goal output by 10-15 a season, while only increasing our goals against, due to a keeper not as talented taking the position, say by 5-7 goals per season, are we not better off?

Moneyball. ???

James Hughes
51 Posted 18/05/2019 at 14:21:34
No to Lossl for me, no more players from relegated clubs, especially a keeper. I would rather Rob Halligan went in goal.

Jamie, you are correct a short while back there were articles about how Silva was bigging up Stek. it seemed odd at the time and still does.

Pickford is a bit of bighead, the Barcodes game was evidence enough. But keepers are just like drummers in a band - odd

Alan J Thompson
52 Posted 18/05/2019 at 14:40:02
This is probably up there to be shot down but the majority of keepers seem to be more than tolerant and accepting of the pecking order in their position. Ted Farmer to Gordon Banks, who was Westies deputy - Andy Rankin, Mimms to Nev, Dunlop and O'Neil, Heaton and Pope at Burnley which does bring to mind an exception, Joe Hart and then there's the City keeper Pep thought was hopeless at distribution.

Still, a fourth keeper might just compliment the extra wingers that seem to be in every other rumour.

John Pierce
53 Posted 18/05/2019 at 15:28:43
Bad keeper, makes Sergio Rico look half decent. Bad idea.
Mike Gaynes
54 Posted 18/05/2019 at 16:04:17
James #53, we couldn't afford Rob Halligan. Top-level keepers like that are beyond us.
Rob Halligan
55 Posted 18/05/2019 at 16:24:52
Very true Mike, very true. Though I don't know why James Hughes is having a pop at me?
James Hughes
56 Posted 18/05/2019 at 21:47:57
Rob, not having a pop at you at all,. Just saying I think you could do a better job than Lossl. Also didn't know you were so expensive mate,
Kris Boner
57 Posted 18/05/2019 at 21:54:21
Pretty certain someone on ToffeeWeb mentioned this season they had played keeper at sunday league level. Sure they'd sign as 4th choices for a nominal fee.
Rob Halligan
58 Posted 18/05/2019 at 21:59:08
James, I got the feeling you knew me and had seen me play. I did actually play in goal for many years on a Saturday and Sunday, though couldn't kick a ball to save me life now!!

As a kid I had trials for Everton, but as an outfield player. I often think I could have got to a reasonable standard, although maybe not the old first division as it was then, if I had played in goal as a young kid. Still, que sera sera eh!!

Andy Crooks
59 Posted 18/05/2019 at 23:16:02
Steve, good post @ 11. However, @16, what have you seen that makes you think that Virginia will replace Pickford in a few years?
Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 18/05/2019 at 23:33:44
Kris, I'm starting in goal tomorrow in Sunday league. But I'm 63, so I'm not sure I can hold the pen long enough to sign.

And I could never live up to the Halligan legend. Greatness is greatness.

Sam Hoare
61 Posted 21/05/2019 at 09:30:00
James@51 " no more players from relegated clubs"

Really?! You'd prefer we hadn't signed Gueye for £6m? Should Liverpool have steered clear of Hull's Andrew Robertson for £8m? Antonio Valencia was a poor signing for United?

I think surely players have to be judged on merit and there are plenty of good players who have been found in poor teams.

Derek Knox
62 Posted 21/05/2019 at 16:45:25
Good point Sam, but all seems to have gone quiet on this guy, considering he 'allegedly' had a Medical, you would think it was just a matter of crossing the tee's and dotting the i's.

There have been no reports either of him in a chippy near Finch Farm or Goodison Park. It's approaching a week since the Transfer Window officially opened, and no-one has come in, or gone out. Hate all this heel-dragging. :-)

Steve Ferns
63 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:05:59
Everton have officially confirmed the signing now.

As above, doesn't make sense to me. Stekelenburg must be off. I hope the lad does well and I wish Jonas Lossl good luck and happiness here.

Andrew Ellams
64 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:19:47
This sounds like a sensible but unexciting signing to me. If Pickford picked up a lengthy injury early season we would have somebody coming off the back of two years Premier League experience vs a 38-year-old with hardly any recent football or an inexperienced teenager.
Sam Hoare
65 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:31:28
I see the sense in it. He's younger and better than Stekelenburg. A more viable alternative to Pickford should something happen. And he will be well challenged hopefully by Virginia over the coming years.

Not glamorous but practical.

Tommy Surgenor
66 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:44:09
I had hoped that Virginia would be #2 next season. Perhaps they felt it better he gain match experience by playing in the U23s rather than “ceasing up” on the bench.

Surely this signing means Stekelenburg is off? Or perhaps, more positively, Virginia is going to get his match experience on loan?

I know Steve said that may be detrimental as in goalkeeper years; he is a baby. However, didn't Ruddy play week-in & week-out for Cambridge at a similar age?

Dave Abrahams
67 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:54:40
If Everton do sell Pickford, as some above have suggested, how many fans think we would get more money for him than what we paid?

I think a lot of the hype after his World Cup performances, has wilted to the extent that none of the top clubs would consider buying him, just my opinion.

Sam Hoare
68 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:59:01
Dave, I don't think we'll sell Pickford. Certainly not with Lössl as his replacement!

But if we did then it would almost certainly be for more than we bought him. I'd expect £40m absolute minimum for England's No 1 whose still a very good age. Palace are charging £50m for an uncapped right-back who's had one good season in the Premier League!

Fran Mitchell
69 Posted 24/05/2019 at 13:04:27
Sell Pickford? Jeses, we are a fickle bunch. He had a spell, along with the entire team, where his form dropped. He made some mistakes, as did Alisson, Kepa, De Gea – keepers make mistakes, even the best.

Pickford is a very good keeper, made excellent saves in our victories against the top 6, and was solid throughout the end of the season.

For us to find a better keeper would be very very difficult. And in terms of value, well, it has at least doubled from what we paid. And he is still England No 1 and looks set to remain so.

In terms of Lossl, well, the idea of Stekelenburg makes me come down with cold sweats. So a solid No 2 whilst Virginia develops makes sense, especially for free.

James Hughes
70 Posted 24/05/2019 at 13:24:30
Not happy with this at all. Yet again, another player signed from a relegated club. We should not be signing dross.

Let's go the whole hog and get Dean Saunders in. He has been relegated with virtually every club he was with.

It may be nonsensical as Gana and Zouma have shown but I still think relegated players bring bad luck with them.

Henrik Lyngsie
71 Posted 24/05/2019 at 13:25:49
According to Danish media, he is on a free and will pocket around £12 million over 3 years, including a signing-on fee. That is just insane if he is just bought as cover for Pickford.

And not even with my Danish tinted glasses I can imagine he is envisaged as first choice at any time... I really hope those figures are plain wrong.

Dave Abrahams
72 Posted 24/05/2019 at 13:40:24
Sam 68) and Fran (69), I’m just asking for opinions, I’m not bothered one way or the other to be honest, I think he can become a very good player, don’t think we will sell him but would be surprised if we got much more than we bought him for at the moment.
Colin Glassar
73 Posted 24/05/2019 at 14:01:28
Welcome aboard, Jonas Lossl. I think he will become a more than decent understudy to Jordan Pickford.

Sounds like Danny Welbeck might be our next freebie.

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