Foot Mercato suggest that the out-of-contract keeper will move from Huddersfield to Goodison Park to become Jordan Pickford's understudy in place of Maarten Stekelenburg.
That would contradict rumours that Marco Silva was readying Joao Virginia for that role.
Football Insider, meanwhile, are claiming that they have been told by an Everton FC source that the 30-year-old has already had a medical.
Original Source: Foot Mercato via Sport Witness
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1 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:21:34
Maybe he has been training with them, and they have decided he needs another year, or even a loan spell to hone his undoubted skills.
Getting back to Stek, another of Koeman's cronies who has had a 3 year season (free) ticket for the gravy train, money for old dope!
2 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:33:36
This is how it works. Virginia is the 3rd choice. He is part of the match day squad. He trains day in, day out with the first team. If you want confirmation then watch the behind the scenes videos that come out every week, you will see Virginia on every single one of them. Further, look at when the u23s clash with first team games, Virginia did not play, as he was with the first team squad, ready to step up to the bench if someone pulled a hamstring in the warm up or landed awkwardly, but most importantly to get experience.
Ask anyone who goes the games, Virginia is on the pitch before every home game performing in all the warmups and working with Stek and Pickford. Every single home game, I cannot confirm he's at every away game but I don't see why it would be different.
Virginia was pulled away from Arsenal. Silva and his Portuguese connections know a lot about the kid. To be fair, he's well known to most sides, he was at Arsenal and he won the Euros with Portugal's youth side.
First assumption on my part is that they said to Virginia that he would be third choice (as he was) and that he was behind a 36/37 year old and that the way was clear to step up to 2nd choice if he did well, and no other Premier League side would give him that.
He's played extremely well. He did brilliantly for the u23s, especially when you consider that he did not train with them and so only knew his teammates from games. Every report on the u23s says how well he did and he barely made a mistake (one big one though).
So why on earth would we take this lad on a free and knock Virginia down to 4th choice? It would only make sense if this lad looked like he would be better, but nothing I've seen would make me think that. Or if Stekelenburg is off, but then why not sign another elder statesman with experience to give Pickford and Virginia?
Load of cobblers if you ask me.
3 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:41:30
4 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:44:58
If that is the case, it does make more sense, even though Huddersfield got relegated, he wasn't a bad stopper, maybe it is cobblers, we shall see soon.
5 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:50:38
6 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:51:51
Stek extended his deal last year
7 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:53:17
Pickford plays 38 games a season, he did so this season and last. He's that age where he bounces through the niggles and shakes them off. If he got a serious injury then we could always get a loan player in, or just be brave and give Virginia a game.
Lossl, a 30 year old journeyman, is not the signing we should be making. He doesn't have Stek's pedigree, he doesn't have Virginia's potential. If we get rid of Stek, then it's a Nigel Martyn type we need.
8 Posted 17/05/2019 at 20:58:54
You know for all you need to know buy a copy of Football Manager 2019 and real contract information is available along with tactical analysis and scouting reports. My last copy was maybe 8 years ago and its bizarre how accurate it is with what players come through. In that reality I had Robben playing for us and I won 3 CHampions League before I got bored. I know I should of continued past 7 finals... then in my head Id be saying ‘7 times like a true gobshite.
9 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:05:09
10 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:05:36
Stek is no good for a 2nd choice keeper. The point is to challenge Pickford which he is never going to do. I dont care how old enough or experienced enough he is.
Virginia is a different argument. He has as Steve has said been very good at u23 level. I wouldnt have too much issue having him as 2nd choice. But you could argue for his development he could play first team out on loan to a Championship club to gain experience.
Lossl isnt a brilliant keeper but hes been decent in the Premier league and hes a Danish international. Hes also a free transfer. I dont have a problem getting someone like that and shipping Virginia out on loan. Stek Im not sure about, keep him as 3rd choice or get rid.
I think getting Losl is a smart bit of business so Im all for it.
11 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:17:00
And is that really the job of the backup keeper? I remember Mimms was a top keeper, but other than that who did Southall have "pushing him"? Jason Kearton? Jim Arnold? A long list of nobodies who were never going to eclipse Big Nev. He didn't need pushing.
For me, a massive part of what Stek does is coaching. He is on the pitch before every game, at every half time, and his intensity in helping Pickford prepare, firing the ball at him with vigour, and working Pickford, is far better than any other backup I have ever seen at Goodison.
Is this not his role? To help Pickford prepare? To impart his knowledge having played for Ajax, Roma, and Monaco? To have played 58 times for the Dutch, to have played in the 2010 World Cup Final. He's only 36, he's not quite done yet. He's exactly what I would want as backup to my England international keeper.
Pope would not come here and sit on our bench. If he did and got in, Pickford would be off. we're not in the Big Six yet. We cannot have someone like Sergio Romero warming our bench.
Stek is perfect for me, and Silva has been singing his praises about his ability in training:
"The first thing I have to tell you, because it is the truth, is that he has been fantastic since the first day," he said.
"Big credit to him for that. And he will be fantastic until the end because we are talking about a very, very good professional.
"His behaviour everyday in training is fantastic, even if he knows that we will be playing Jordan. He is training hard everyday and always ready to help.”
12 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:22:42
Im not sure thats the job of a 2nd keeper though. I dont think we will see the b
13 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:23:12
UNLESS... Virginia may be off on loan this fall.
I believe this rumor. Too many media reports, including Mercato saying he's actually undergone a physical.
And Lossl is a really good keeper, excellent shot-stopper, quicker and younger than Stek. Makes big saves at big moments -- I remember he kept Huddersfield up last year with a couple of absolute blinders against Chelsea on the last day of the season. Has distribution issues, but for a backup, who doesn't?
We need three keepers. If Virginia's headed to the Championship for a loan season to harden his competitive skin, we could hardly do better for a backup than Lossl. And Stek can keep right on doing what he's doing for Pickford.
14 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:26:32
15 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:29:28
16 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:32:01
If we had a 16 year old Rooney now, you wouldn't want to loan him out, you'd want to keep getting him ready for the first team, to train with them and to learn. Not to get the shit kicked out of him in the Championship.
Where loans make sense is not with future superstars, it's with the guys you aren't sure of. Kieran Dowell, for example. Lot of talent there, but not enough you are sure he's going to be good enough for us, so give him a loan and see if he develops.
I don't think a loan is right for Virginia. I think he should have a clear route to the first team, I believe he will oust Pickford within a few years, or maybe more likely, allow us to cash in on Pickford, with the hope and expectation that Virginia can be even better. I wouldn't want a loan to ruin that.
17 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:39:29
I think we need to start being bold and I would like Virginia to be given his chance as number 2. If I were him, and if Lossl (who has 7-8 years still ahead as a top keeper) joins, I would be pissed off, loan or no loan.
18 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:40:34
If Pickford has a bad run of form, as he did this season, you let him play through it, like we did. You work on the training pitch, and no doubt Stek played his part. Keepers need confidence. Confidence is everything. Dropping a keeper can kill confidence and can kill a promising career.
Just look at Joe Hart. Joe is not old. He's not had a career ending injury. He's not declined physically. However his confidence has gone completely. It will probably never return. He's probably finished as a top class keeper. All at the age of 32, or 30 when Guardiola dropped him. What about Paul Robinson of Leeds and Tottenham? He was another good young keeper. Perhaps a little overrated in terms of being the undisputed England number 1, but he was not far off that level. However, he was finished young, leaving Tottenham in his late 20s and at 32 he was relegated and never played top level again. He's still only 39.
Keeper's need confidence. It's more or less everything. Pickford is a cocky little git. You drop him for Lossl and it could destroy that whole thing, and it can wreck his career. You need to be careful with Keepers.
19 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:43:04
But I don't necessarily agree with you. Virginia isn't your average teenager. He's not long and skinny -- he's built like a bridge tower. Looked like a man among boys in the U-23 final.
Now let's assume for a moment that his physical development is matched by his emotional maturity. (Again, Silva's assessment.) What the hell good would it do him to spend another season in the U-23s? What more can he accomplish there? How can he develop further while playing in front of empty stands against teenagers?
He can't. His next step (again, per his manager's judgement) would be go play in front of big crowds against grownups. There are plenty of good managers in the Championship who could help him make the next step and be more ready when Picks moves on.
That, to me, is a reasonable rationale for Silva to loan him out. Lots of young keepers go that route. And hey, not saying he's Donnarumma, but if a 17-year-old can start in Serie A, a 20-year old can start in the Championship.
I'll go with the manager's call on this one. (Not that I have any choice.) And it's the only scenario in which signing Lossl makes sense.
20 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:48:31
Now what does he have to gain from this current setup? Day in, day out he is training with top class players. He is making saves and going one on one with our best. When they want to do extra shooting training, do we risk Pickford? No, it's Virginia who's staying behind after training.
He's exactly where he needs to be at this age and with this potential. And yes, I've seen the lad up close, he's much bigger than Pickford at about 6'3" or 6'4" and he's got a good build on him. He's still thin, but he's more or less the shape size and shape as Stek, if just little thinner. He comes and trains right in front of me before every game.
21 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:53:23
I thought it 100% crap, but maybe (?) we are going to get some big money for him, and Silva doesn't feel as if it will hurt the team as much f he goes, bringing in a player at another position with the Picks money?
I really hope not, but is there any validity in that thought process?
22 Posted 17/05/2019 at 21:57:01
23 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:01:37
You're entitled to your belief that the kid is not ready for that, but rather needs another year of stopping practice shots and watching Pickford. But if Silva is thinking that some battlefield experience is what Virginia needs next, I would think you'd be on board with it given your faith in him.
Of course, I could be completely misreading the tea leaves here, and we're signing Lossl just on the basic principle of you can't have too many good players. But to me this is an indicator of Virginia heading out for an adventure.
Bet you a buck he gets loaned out if Lossl is signed.
24 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:04:07
A year from now, very possible. Right now? Brands would need an armored car to go grocery shopping.
25 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:11:47
26 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:14:57
Just having fun.
27 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:17:20
If he loans Virginia out, I think it will be the wrong decision. As I have said, loans should be for older players. Ones who have had the opportunity and have learnt, but have not forced their way into the Everton first team. That is players you are starting to think might never make it.
Players I would not consider loaning out right now are: Feeney, Astley, Davies, Gordon, Simms. All 18-20 and I think could make it. If they reach 22 and are not first team, then I'd look to loan them out. For example, I would never consider loaning out Jonjo Kenny, but now he's 22, if he's not good enough to be in the first team after pre-season then I would be doubting he's good enough, and out on loan he would go.
And I do believe you can have too many good players. That's a definite. Last season under Koeman we had far too many players. I prefer a small squad. More harmonious and everyone plays more often. If you get injuries, well that's football, and it's a chance for kids.
I believe in youth, and I would always want to see a pathway for the youth to get into the first team. I would always want to see the 4th choice centre-back be no older than 21, same with 4th choice centre-mid, or winger, or 3rd choice striker. And definitely the 3rd choice keeper should be no older than 23.
It also helps you balance the books. youth is cheap, it's disposable. If Kenny isn't good enough, he's on £25,000 per week. Half of what Martina is on. It's easy to offload him, he's affordable to Championship clubs. Less on wages, more to spend on big transfer fees.
Virginia will be on peanuts. Lossl will want a decent salary. £50,000 a week easy. That's £8m if you give him a 3 year deal, plus signing on fees, agent fees, and all the other forgotten transfer expenses. And for what, a player likely to sit on our bench and never play, and barely, if at all, better than Stekelenburg and with none of the experience or wisdom to pass on to Pickford.
28 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:18:58
29 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:22:18
Ok, stuff like that may toughen you up, but could just as easily have the opposite affect on him. Let him learn his trade at Everton, and in 3 or 4 years he can challenge Pickford for the number one slot, and maybe look forward to 15 years as our number one goalkeeper if and when Pickford moves on.
Leave things as they are, and if in 12 months time, Stek decided to call it a day, then I'm sure there will be plenty of other goalkeepers similar to Lossl, age wise, who would jump at the chance to join Everton as a number two to Pickford.
30 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:30:29
As I said above, a lot of what makes a top goalkeeper is confidence. And if you lose it, properly lose it, like Joe Hart has done, you can never get it back. So Virginia needs to be looked after and brought in at the right time, in the right games. And I see no reason for him to go the Pickford route. Just because it worked Jordan does not mean it would work for Joao.
31 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:46:53
FYI Lossl was on £28,000/week at Huddersfield, and I doubt we'll have to go anywhere near £50K for a relegated 30-year-old keeper.
Rob #29, you point out another factor that might figure into Silva's calculus -- Virginia isn't going to want to wait 3-4 years for a #1 job. He's too good. If he's in the same status a year from now, I doubt he'll sign a contract extension. Aside from his assessment of the kid, Silva might be heading off a transfer request.
Again, I may be completely misreading this situation. I'm a lousy soothsayer. But Steve, I'll wager you that beer that IF Lossl signs, Joao will be loaned.
32 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:53:05
Promote Virginia to #2 and offer Stek a coaching role if his input is that sought after.
33 Posted 17/05/2019 at 22:59:02
If Lossl signs, I would bet that its because Stek is off. Virginia would remain where he is and then next season he would be off loan and someone else would step up to 3rd choice.
34 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:00:10
35 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:12:56
"Mike, it makes no sense to loan a kid like Virginia out. He's 19, he's still a baby."
Dunno about that. You don't have to look any further than our current #1 and his own extensive loan history, from an earlier age than Virginia is now, to consider that it seems to have served him well.
Just sayin' like.
A back-up keeper - unless you are one of the stupidly rich monied clubs that can contract two current internationals - is a tricky one to cover.
36 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:22:54
This story seems to be true and think Lossl would be an overall improvement over Stekelenburg. I thought that Virginia would become No.2 this summer but if this lads coming in, perhaps a loan move might be right for the young keepers progression.
I also don't think a No.2 necessarily has to be a young keeper with potential or the old pro who can pass on their experience. I don't know who our GK coach is right now, but we've had some notable names in the past like Chris Woods and Peter Bonetti, and first and foremostly it should be the GK coach who draws on their experiences to help any GK who is having a rough time. We defaultly get young or old backup keepers as No.2's because they're usually most content to be a squad member. If we bought a keeper to really push Pickford for the No.1 spot then we should look at buying Fraser Forster who inexplicably a No.2 right now. I don't think he'd sign for another club to be a No.2 so if Jonas Lossl is willing to come in and be backup for Pickford, I'm okay with that because he seems to be an improvement on Stekelenburg.
37 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:30:52
If Joao is battering down Silvas door demanding a loan, then sure, you consider it. If hes happy to keep learning within the confines of the first team squad and playing u23 matches then thats what id want from him at 19 years of age.
As for the goalkeeper coach. Its Hugo Oliveira. He was at Benfica when Man Citys Ederson was there. He got a lot of credit for his development. Silva brought him to Hull and then Watford. Hes a bit of a character and has a good reputation in the game.
38 Posted 17/05/2019 at 23:49:27
Even if only part of it is true, as you say yourself it "clearly [another presumption] developed [Pickford's] character as he fought tooth and nail to the to the top."
Maybe Pickford already had the 'never quit' trait before going out on loan, eh?
It may not "make it the blueprint for Joao Virginia" (I don't see anyone in this thread claiming that), but Pickford himself has said on camera many times that all his loan spells were a great learning curve for him, so it is an option that has proven results in Everton's current leading gloveman.
It's a very sweeping statement you make to say such loans for a young keeper make 'no sense'.
39 Posted 18/05/2019 at 00:04:25
Lossl is a good addition, but I'd like to see him used more wisely than many team use there 2nd choice keeper.
For me back up keepers being in goal in the fa cup is a big no no, I'd give Lossl games at home in the league against the weaker teams, along with some cup games that suit the keepers level.
40 Posted 18/05/2019 at 00:12:18
41 Posted 18/05/2019 at 00:32:34
42 Posted 18/05/2019 at 00:34:24
As for Lossl, his stock has fallen in the last 18 months. I imagine any move to acquire him or another goalkeeper is part of an overall plan that will mean that one of our current 3 keepers will not be here next season - so well have to wait and see which one it is.
43 Posted 18/05/2019 at 01:27:21
I haven't expressed an opinion on whether it's a good idea to loan out Virginia. Nor have I expressed an opinion on the (only rumoured) signing of Lossl - a player who has not registered with me AT ALL.
I simply pointed out that the loan system seemingly worked out just fine for Jordan Pickford, as it did for arguably the club's greatest ever goalkeeper, 'the Bin Man', who was also getting battered in non-league teams at the age Virginia now is.
I make no presumptions about the inner thoughts of Marco Silva and the career path he intends for any Everton player.
44 Posted 18/05/2019 at 01:45:24
45 Posted 18/05/2019 at 03:40:00
And I believe it will be Big Dunc who will be joining him as assistant, because the joint needs a big bouncer on Saturdays.
46 Posted 18/05/2019 at 05:02:24
47 Posted 18/05/2019 at 09:13:04
48 Posted 18/05/2019 at 10:06:32
49 Posted 18/05/2019 at 11:14:11
As a club our record concerning bringing young keepers through is absolutely shocking. I cant recall a local lad making the grade as a first team regular since Andy Rankin back in 1971. Drew Brand had a game or two and was then dropped never to reappear but I cant recall anyone making it from the reserves/ under 23s. Maybe this is because the bigger clubs prefer to use established keepers rather than take a chance with youth but nevertheless it is a very poor return on the money we must spend in developing keepers.
This lad sounds very good and I really hope he is given a proper chance as I have serious doubts over Pickford and if we could replace him at a decent profit I would do it.
50 Posted 18/05/2019 at 13:58:30
I hear you loud and clear about the madness of letting Pickford go.
Silva has been bigging up Stek. Lossl is rumored in. Virginia sounds more than capable, albeit young.
If you can cash in on Picks and get a really good young striker, is it really that bad a move?
Riverboat gambler type stuff, but we are talking about Marcel Brands here, who has balls as big as Texas.
I'm not so sure I'd be against the gamble. I love Pickford, I've made that abundantly clear on other posts. But if we could get silly money for him and bring someone in who bags 20-25 goals a season, and Stek OR Lossl is between the sticks while Virginia develops another year or two, are we or are we not a better team?
We need to score more goals.
I just don't think the idea, again being a gamble but isn't everything in life a bit of a gamble, is that far-fetched the more I consider it.
And if you're a 8th place team, don't you have to roll the dice a bit to attempt to break that Top 6 ceiling?
Stek isn't a bad keeper. If we increase our goal output by 10-15 a season, while only increasing our goals against, due to a keeper not as talented taking the position, say by 5-7 goals per season, are we not better off?
51 Posted 18/05/2019 at 14:21:34
Jamie, you are correct a short while back there were articles about how Silva was bigging up Stek. it seemed odd at the time and still does.
Pickford is a bit of bighead, the Barcodes game was evidence enough. But keepers are just like drummers in a band - odd
52 Posted 18/05/2019 at 14:40:02
Still, a fourth keeper might just compliment the extra wingers that seem to be in every other rumour.
53 Posted 18/05/2019 at 15:28:43
54 Posted 18/05/2019 at 16:04:17
55 Posted 18/05/2019 at 16:24:52
56 Posted 18/05/2019 at 21:47:57
57 Posted 18/05/2019 at 21:54:21
58 Posted 18/05/2019 at 21:59:08
As a kid I had trials for Everton, but as an outfield player. I often think I could have got to a reasonable standard, although maybe not the old first division as it was then, if I had played in goal as a young kid. Still, que sera sera eh!!
59 Posted 18/05/2019 at 23:16:02
60 Posted 18/05/2019 at 23:33:44
And I could never live up to the Halligan legend. Greatness is greatness.
61 Posted 21/05/2019 at 09:30:00
Really?! You'd prefer we hadn't signed Gueye for £6m? Should Liverpool have steered clear of Hull's Andrew Robertson for £8m? Antonio Valencia was a poor signing for United?
I think surely players have to be judged on merit and there are plenty of good players who have been found in poor teams.
62 Posted 21/05/2019 at 16:45:25
There have been no reports either of him in a chippy near Finch Farm or Goodison Park. It's approaching a week since the Transfer Window officially opened, and no-one has come in, or gone out. Hate all this heel-dragging. :-)
63 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:05:59
As above, doesn't make sense to me. Stekelenburg must be off. I hope the lad does well and I wish Jonas Lossl good luck and happiness here.
64 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:19:47
65 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:31:28
Not glamorous but practical.
66 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:44:09
Surely this signing means Stekelenburg is off? Or perhaps, more positively, Virginia is going to get his match experience on loan?
I know Steve said that may be detrimental as in goalkeeper years; he is a baby. However, didn't Ruddy play week-in & week-out for Cambridge at a similar age?
67 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:54:40
I think a lot of the hype after his World Cup performances, has wilted to the extent that none of the top clubs would consider buying him, just my opinion.
68 Posted 24/05/2019 at 12:59:01
But if we did then it would almost certainly be for more than we bought him. I'd expect £40m absolute minimum for England's No 1 whose still a very good age. Palace are charging £50m for an uncapped right-back who's had one good season in the Premier League!
69 Posted 24/05/2019 at 13:04:27
Pickford is a very good keeper, made excellent saves in our victories against the top 6, and was solid throughout the end of the season.
For us to find a better keeper would be very very difficult. And in terms of value, well, it has at least doubled from what we paid. And he is still England No 1 and looks set to remain so.
In terms of Lossl, well, the idea of Stekelenburg makes me come down with cold sweats. So a solid No 2 whilst Virginia develops makes sense, especially for free.
70 Posted 24/05/2019 at 13:24:30
Let's go the whole hog and get Dean Saunders in. He has been relegated with virtually every club he was with.
It may be nonsensical as Gana and Zouma have shown but I still think relegated players bring bad luck with them.
71 Posted 24/05/2019 at 13:25:49
And not even with my Danish tinted glasses I can imagine he is envisaged as first choice at any time... I really hope those figures are plain wrong.
72 Posted 24/05/2019 at 13:40:24
73 Posted 24/05/2019 at 14:01:28
Sounds like Danny Welbeck might be our next freebie.
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