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Schalke join race to sign Kenny on loan

| Friday, 31 May 2019 54comments  |  Jump to last
Schalke 04 are said by Sky Sports to be heading up the queue of clubs hoping to sign Jonjoe Kenny for the season.

The Bundesliga side, now managed by ex-Huddersfield Town boss David Wagner, have joined Burnley and Crystal Palace in wanting to bring the 22-year-old in on loan amid speculation that Everton will look to sign a more experienced backup to Seamus Coleman.

Kenny made nine appearances deputising for the Irishman this past season but has yet to convince Marco Silva that he is ready to step into the role on a more consistent basis.



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Liam Reilly
1 Posted 31/05/2019 at 14:46:02
Would be better to move to a PL side on loan to see if he's got the tools to challenge Seamus in the future; however if we buy a challenger in the summer window then I can't see him coming back.
Darren Hind
2 Posted 31/05/2019 at 14:58:47
There are at least a dozen other players I would rather see go out on loan.
Keep him here FFS. He is one of the most promising young full backs in the country.

Very depressing reading about taking Martina back and sending Jonjoe out on the same page

Dave Abrahams
3 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:05:34
Darren (2), thanks for posting that Darren, agree completely.
Fran Mitchell
4 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:18:45
In 2 minds on this one. I like Kenny, think he did well when given a chance, nothing spectacular, but did well and I think he'll become a premier league level full back.

I'd like him to stay and battle with Coleman for the starting birth, but also see the advantage of him getting a 35-40 game season for his development. Maybe this experience would see him come back next summer ready to take over from a then 1 year older Coleman.

A move to Germany could do him well also, make him develop on a personal level - new country, new language, new experience, as a scouser who lives in Brazil, I always tell people the benefits of living abroad. And on a professional level, tactical development and adapting to a different style of play could help him reach new levels, certainly more beneficial than playing for Burnley where he'll learn about kicking the ball towards the big man up front.

If we were to sign a 'more experienced' back up for Coleman, I wonder what that would be? a loan? a veteran? Or someone who will ultimately block Kenny's path?

Jay Harris
5 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:25:17
I am in the "keep him here" club.

I don't want him to go the way of Galloway who seemed to lose all motivation when he was dropped out of the limelight.

Jonjoe was a bit inconsistent and had a poor game when unexpectedly called on at short notice but at his best he is as good as Seamus and a run of games would help that consistency.

A much better option than buying an untried foreigner with little resale value.

John Keating
6 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:28:01
Think a great deal of Kenny who has been brilliant when called on for such a young lad.
Coleman is our number one in that position and maybe Silva has seen that Holgate did really well at West Brom last season and possibly sees him as giving cover at both right back and central defence
Mike Jones
7 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:33:46
Local lad, decent player... but nothing more.

He won’t take us to the next level. I hate to say it but look at the right back across the park light years difference.

We have to set our sights higher.

John Pierce
8 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:41:24
I thought he was very unlucky to be usurped by Coleman, whose form for large parts of the season was no better than Kenny’s. In comparison to Coleman, Kenny is David Beckham when it comes crossing a ball.

That said neither are anywhere near the level of Digne. Personally I’d keep one a sell other other, on the condition we buy a starting right back.

On that basis Kenny has a higher ceiling and better attributes for Silva’s style, it would have to be Seamus to go.

Martina, well, cancel his contract.

Mike Allison
9 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:45:37
Could be a reasonably smart move given that we’re not in Europe and Kenny is still behind Coleman in the pecking order. Callum Connolly will be at the club and could provide the cover at right back, finally getting a chance to earn a future at Everton, whilst Kenny gains experience and develops as a player.

If this loan was to help Kenny develop as a player I see no problem with it at all. It could almost be seen as part of a player’s natural development that they should all do, somewhere between packing them off to university to learn independence and a ‘rumspringa’ year away.

Terry White
10 Posted 31/05/2019 at 16:17:46
Mike (#9), Connelly may be a left back as well as in other positions but he definitely does not play right back.

Looks like we have Martina as back up to Coleman if there is any mileage in the Schalke story. Kenny will not progress at all sitting on our bench. It remains to be seen what is his ceiling. He may have reached it already.

James Hughes
11 Posted 31/05/2019 at 16:18:37
If Schalke guarantee that Kenny will get to play then why not?. BUT only only loan.
Spending more minutes on the pitch, rather than the bench, can only help him. It would more beneficial than being just a back up to the wonderful Seamus.

Kenny will be good enough to replace Coleman in time, we should not be looking to sell him.

Sam Hoare
12 Posted 31/05/2019 at 16:39:47
Darren@2 and dave@3 I agree with your thoughts on Kenny insofar as him having great promise but I don't know how he will achieve that promise if he never gets a run of games.

Last year he only started 13 games over the whole season. And that's with Coleman still recovering and getting back up to speed. That's not enough for a 22 year old who should be learning the game and honing his craft in my opinion.

If he goes to Burnley for example and starts 30+ games, acquitting himself well as I hope he would do, then he would improve more than sat on our bench and could return ready to take over the RB slot for good.

Mike Gaynes
13 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:04:55
I think it's an exciting opportunity for Kenny. To play in the Bundesliga under a dynamic young coach like Wagner will bring out the very best in him and reveal a great deal about the extent of his potential. I'm with Sam #12, JJK needs top-level games and this loan will deliver them.

If we don't buy another RB this summer -- and I don't think we should -- assume Holgate will deputize for Seamus this season. By all accounts, and on the two occasions I saw him, Mason performed very well at RB for West Brom. Gotta believe he's ahead of JJK in the queue right now.

Jon Withey
14 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:11:48
Could be good for him to get first team games - I don't believe he has had a loan yet ?
Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:23:43
Jon

Pretty sure he had a spell on loan at Oxford. If memory serves me correctly, he had an inauspicious start but by the end of the season he was playing really well.

Mike Gaynes
16 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:28:09
He had a brief loan spell at Wigan as well.
Steven Astley
17 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:34:23
Never been impressed with him to be honest. Wouldn't mind him being shipped out. Would be interested to know the clean sheet and win rate numbers when he has played. I have a feeling it is abysmal.
Peter Warren
18 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:44:54
I hear what Darren says although Martina only coming back till we get rid. I remember thinking Coleman would never be a full back and defensively was woeful. Shows how wrong you can be.

With Kenny his distribution as a full back seems woeful. Defensively he seems sound. I believe Holgate playing a full season at West Brom will have done him the world of good rather than a dozen games this season at Everton. I think the same applies with Kenny but do not want us to sell him.

Tony Twist
19 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:49:03
Would like to see him go out on loan to get more experience and would like Holgate as the right back cover.
Tony Abrahams
20 Posted 31/05/2019 at 18:02:25
Kenny is 22 years of age and needs to play regular first team football, so I think sending him out on loan is the only way this is going to be achieved?

If he doesn’t start playing regular football now then he will never improve, and this would be a travesty for a young player who doesn’t get enough credit, IMO.

Jonjoe has got a big heart, so going to Germany might just improve the technical side of his game? And I don’t think Peter@18 was alone, when he didn’t think Coleman would be good enough to cement his place in Everton’s first team, all those years ago.

I personally think this would be a great move for Kenny, and I hope it comes off for him.

Drew O'Neall
21 Posted 31/05/2019 at 18:28:13
Coleman is the one to become back up to the first team and obviously Kenny isn’t ready.

Its not so much the kicking it up to the big man as the pace of the opposition play which he’d benefit experiencing at a Burnley or another Premier League team.

He’s already strong enough to play the man’s game, and could benefit from technical improvement but I fear defending in Europe might set him back but am open to persuasion.

Martin Mason
22 Posted 31/05/2019 at 19:28:03
The club are doing what an ambitious club must do and raising the bar in every position. They must see JJ as a good player but not good enough yet. As long as any replacement they find is better then that is how it must be. I believe they may be loaning him out rather than selling him because they still see the possibility of him getting to the required level. Possibly a last chance?
Mike Allison
23 Posted 31/05/2019 at 20:22:15
Connolly does play right back. It’s his original position, but he’s played in midfield a lot whilst out on loan.

His only Everton first team appearance to date was at right back.

Declan Martin
24 Posted 31/05/2019 at 20:36:13
Very much in agreement with #7 Mike.
Seamie is not quite the player he was before injury and not getting any younger.
Kenny is a good lad, but not up to that level - at least now.
If we could get the equivalent of a right sided Digne. .
Andrew Keatley
25 Posted 31/05/2019 at 20:51:49
Mike (23) - Callum Connolly might have played right-back on occasion, but he’s predominantly lined up at left-back in his senior footballing career. He was tried out as a defensive midfielder while on loan, but I believe I am right in saying he’s essentially a left-footed defender.
Mike Allison
26 Posted 31/05/2019 at 21:43:30
He’s right footed, mainly a defender, quite short to play centre back in The Championship and has played much of his senior football as a ball-winning central midfielder. If he’s ever going to get a chance in the Everton first team, it’s most likely to be at right back.
Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 31/05/2019 at 22:05:15
Mike #23-#26, you'd have had to be a fanatical fan of the Championship to have even seen Connolly play RB in the last two seasons.

At Ipswich he lined up at RB in his first two appearances, then played the next 37 games at DM.

This season at Wigan and Bolton, 35 appearances combined... 2 at RB.

You're entitled to your opinion, but his last three managers clearly considered him a midfielder.

Paul Dewhurst
28 Posted 31/05/2019 at 22:35:07
Seamus getting a loan playing for Blackpool when they got promoted made him as a player. It may do the same for JJK? Think Prem or Bundesliga would be good enough but would want him to be first choice 30 plus games.

If he goes on loan I don’t think we will be left with Holgate or Martina as back up. Wouldn’t shock me if we signed a 1st team RB and Coleman was back up.

We are going to have to move on some shite again this summer, let’s see how good Brands is

Mirallas
Holgate
Bolasie
Martina
McCarthy
Besic
Niasse
Baines
Jags
Sandro
Tosun
Vlasic
Lookman
Tarasaj
Henry O
Williams
Garbutt

It’s a lot to trim off the wage bill one way or another

Paul Birmingham
29 Posted 31/05/2019 at 22:50:34
For me JJK, needs games to develope his potential and keep his confidence.

The Bundesliga could be a great chance to emerge and progress. I fear he’ll be wasting his time next season, not playing in the first team..

As I don’t see Silva taking to him this season, unless as a last resort. The lad deserves a chance to forge a good career as he’s got the potential to kick on.

Ironic though the drift wood pile is building up at FF, and Cuco is back. If we can shift 10 of the players referee above it would be a miracle. If we shift 6, that would be a good result.

The general tempo sees, a garage sale this summer, and the next review of BMD.

Nothing is guaranteed but if we sell a few players, and BMD is genuinely deemed to be progressing with 60k, capacity- lol, then, a few incomings, it could be the base that “Spurs” us on.

Pray tomorrow night, we are happy Evertonians!

Mike Allison
30 Posted 31/05/2019 at 23:05:03
Mike, I don’t understand your post. You frame it as if you’re ‘disagreeing’ with me but then say the same thing as me.

Connolly has played most of his senior football as a midfielder whilst out on loan, but is much less likely to get in the Everton midfield than he is to play at right back, which was his main position in youth football.

It’s not really a matter of ‘opinion’. I’m trying to helpfully provide information to people who seem to have misconceptions. The bit that is opinion is that he’s more likely to play full back for Everton than midfield. It is fact that he’s right footed and came through the Everton youth teams as a defender.

Don Alexander
31 Posted 31/05/2019 at 23:06:25
JJK in my opinion does indeed have a "big heart" but he is 22 and still didn't manage to win a regular place whilst our best RB was recovering from a severely broken leg for nigh on a (recent) year. Once again this forces me, and others from what is said on TW, to wonder about the quality of coaching at USMFF?

If JJK was playing elsewhere would Brands have an inclination to now sign him?

So, are we so strapped for cash by way of the cock-ups committed down the years from our boardroom that we just have to dispose of JJK on loan or sale, or are we able to make a decision about his future based on whether or not he's good enough, aged 22, to very, very soon make it as a player in a top six Premier League club? Hmm.

Kieran Kinsella
32 Posted 31/05/2019 at 23:08:18
Mike Allison,

You're right in that Connolly did play RB for the U23s and his one first team game for Everton. But for the U23s they also shuffled Kenny into the centre-half role. So I think part of it was that they tried to pick the best players rather than necessarily the best specialist for each position.

I saw Connolly play RB at the Under 23 World Cup and he didn't do well either going forward or when players ran at him. I think at this stage Mick McCarthy and the folks at Bolton have realized that he is better suited to a midfield position. I would be very surprised to see him break into the first team squad as a right back.

Kieran Kinsella
33 Posted 31/05/2019 at 23:14:45
Jonoe Kenny still reminds me of Gary Neville. I remember when Neville was younger, sometimes he was right back, sometimes he was centre-half. He admits himself that he was technically inferior to the rest of "Fergie's fledglings" but somehow with determination, he made up for his diminutive stature and lack of skill and became a key man for Fergie.

In theory, Kenny could do the same but the challenge for him is the style of play. The game has changed and continues to evolve. Man Utd under Fergie were a "passing team" for the time but by comparison to today's sides they look like long ball merchants. Consequently, I don't know that Neville would enjoy the level of success that he had if he were playing today.

I suspect Kenny would be best served being in a bit more of a direct, old school type side. I just don't know if you're going to see that at Everton. Burnley, on the other hand, could be a good fit.

Martin Berry
34 Posted 01/06/2019 at 00:26:54
Good luck to the lad, I think he is going to be a cracking full back
He just needs time at his young age that some of the naysayers don't seem to give him on some postings
Andrew Keatley
35 Posted 01/06/2019 at 00:31:04
Kieran (33) - You definitely didn't see Callum Connolly playing RB at the Under 23 World Cup; you saw him playing left-back (JJK played right-back throughout the tournament) at the Under 20 World Cup (and wearing the number 3). Kyle Walker-Peters ended up taking over from Connolly as first-choice left-back as the team progressed from the group stage and into the knockout rounds.

Apologies if I have got it wrong, and that Callum Connolly is in fact a right-footed player, but he has definitely played left-back for England junior teams, and for Everton youth groups.

Si Smith
36 Posted 01/06/2019 at 01:02:22
I believe a loan would do Kenny the world of good, and keeping Holgate as cover for Coleman is ideal.

What I don't want is us wasting money on a right back, Coleman is still a top full back and a season out will give Kenny the match practice he needs, just look at what a loan deal done for Coleman.

If he has the bottle to go to Schalke it would be massive for his development.

Mike Jones
37 Posted 01/06/2019 at 01:13:36
He isn’t good enough if we want to be challenging for top 4 and heaven help us the League which is what I want again before I die. Let’s stop dwelling on half decent premier league standard footballers and aim higher. My daughter is 17, has no interest in football but said to me she could never think of Everton as winning anything or being outside the top league I.e. we are ‘just there’. We have been in the ‘new’ 1st division since 1992. have a look at who the other ever presents are and measure our success I’m about to see ‘them’ possibly win their 6th European fa cup. I need more for my son ( big blue) and unborn grandchildren
Mike Gaynes
38 Posted 01/06/2019 at 05:59:44
Mike #30, I was simply pointing out that your opinion about Connolly as an RB is based on some pretty ancient history, given that he has barely played the position in the past two years. Your opinion also clearly runs counter to the opinion of his last three managers, because once they got a glance at him at RB they couldn't wait to push him back up into midfield.

My own opinion, not having seen him, is that playing the position years ago in youth football has apparently not translated to any ability to play it as a professional -- let alone in the Prem. And based on that, I would say that if he has a future with us, it's not at RB.

Mike Allison
39 Posted 01/06/2019 at 08:42:00
That’s fair enough then Mike, although ‘ancient’ history may be a stretch. I believe Connolly has indeed played right back, left back, centre back and midfield during his career (both senior and youth).

My opinion is that a young player like that is always more likely to get a chance at full back rather than in midfield as it’s a less key position. If we’re generally of the opinion that he can’t play full back in senior football then I don’t see any future for him at Everton, and a loan out for Kenny makes no sense.

I’m not fully convinced yet though, and still believe Connolly has a chance of being an Everton right back. This bit is definitely an opinion only.

Martin Mason
40 Posted 01/06/2019 at 09:11:48
Paul@28

You could make a team and bench from those. The only problem is that it'd be a League 1 team.

Steve Ferns
41 Posted 01/06/2019 at 09:31:24
Mike @39, fullback is a less key position? Really? I'd argue that fullback is up there as the most important position on the pitch. There's been a revolution at full-back over the last 10 years. The epitome of modern fullback is sadly most evident across the park where they utilise Robertson and Alexander-Arnold. Both are like 400-m runners and get up and down all game long. They provide the attacking width and this is confirmed by their number of assists. Yes, both get back and defend. The revolution has meant that the likes of mane and Salah can play inside in the channels and come central, as the fullbacks are outside of them. If you look at Liverpool, then it's the central midfielders who play a much-reduced role in their side than the fullbacks.

Connolly is a right footed player. So is Kyle Walker-Peters. Jonjoe Kenny has them both playing left-back in the U20s World Cup due to his quality. He played like modern fullback getting forward and getting the crosses in. He's got a great right foot and hits a lovely delivery. Coleman is not even close to Kenny in terms of crossing ability. Kenny has him for pace now too. Kenny showed himself to be sold defensively, so much so that some on here actually think of him as a defensive fullback rather than an attacking one. The lad needs an extended run in our first team to show his attacking talent. Kenny has unlimited potential, but at 22 the clock is ticking and he must start playing before it all comes to nothing.

If it were up to me, I'd want him to fight with Coleman over the summer to claim the jersey. I think he can oust Coleman on merit this season.

Sam Hoare
42 Posted 01/06/2019 at 10:26:45
Steve, I’m a fan of Jonjoe’s but I’m not sure about ‘unlimited potential’.

I agree about his crossing being better than Coleman’s but his dribbling and passing are definitely not currently. His passing completion of 72% last season was one of the lowest in the team. I don’t think he has looked as confident on the ball for us as he has for some of the youth teams I’ve seen him in.

Crucially it seems that Silva does not fully trust him yet and so I’m not sure Kenny will get the game time under him that he needs to kick on.

It may be that Holgate is second choice RB next season or even that Brands brings in an upgrade on Coleman.

Paul Tran
43 Posted 01/06/2019 at 10:53:27
There's a few nuances here.

If Seamus is first pick, rightly in my view, Jonjoe needs games, so it makes sense to loan him out. He needs to be told he's next in line here, I think he's a great prospect.

If Seamus gets injured, Holgate could slot in for him. I know a WBA fan who was raving about him last season.

As for Martina, like it or not, he's our player until we find another home for him.

Tony Abrahams
44 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:02:05
Would you be as comfortable in your position if you never felt that you was getting a fair crack Sam?

Great points above modern football Steve, because I’ve heard Arnold’s best position is in midfield, and yet Klopp prefers him bombing up and down the wing.

Robertson can definitely be exploited though and I’m preying Son, can get in behind either him or Arnold tonight!

Mike Allison
45 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:11:49
Even though I accept everything you say about the modern full back Steve, I still say you need to be a better player to play in central midfield, it’s a more difficult, more important position than full back. The centre of the pitch remains the ‘engine room’ and the core of what goes on in every other position. A full back plays in 90-180 degrees, a midfielder plays 360.

Two questions; if putting in a young, inexperienced player to your Premier League team, would you rather they started at full back or central midfield?

If building a team, would you prioritise signing top full backs if it meant you had to accept second rate central midfielders or would you get top midfielders first and accept lesser full backs?

Alan J Thompson
46 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:15:27
Oh for fuck's sake, is there nobody at the club capable of improving a young player who has done well at all his international age levels and on the odd occasions he has played in the 1st XI???

Is the best we can do for capable youngsters is send them out to lower division clubs and coaches to see how that improves them? I do have to wonder what we see as second-rate.

Brian Harrison
47 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:29:50
This has to be a good move for player and the club, JJ has had limited game time and quite rightly Seamus is the first choice, so he will be playing in a top league and hopefully will get plenty of game time. Far better go to Shalke than to a Championship club and he will be playing against some top sides.

I think we missed the boat with Davies not sending him on loan. I also think if we had a top striker DCL may have benefited from a loan spell with a good German side instead of having to learn his trade in the hardest league in World football. Seems the template for German clubs is to pick up young talented British players, and it hasnt hampered these players getting into the full England side. Maybe thats why Lookman sees a move to Leipzig as a chance to get regular football rather than as an unused sub most weeks with us.

Alan J Thompson
48 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:41:11
Brian (#47);

Are you trying to say that the Germans are better coaches and motivators and that we would be better off employing them for our youth teams or just that winning at their age level is worth nothing and perhaps we should abandon signing local youth?

Tony Abrahams
49 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:43:50
Good questions Mike, because I’m sure it’s something that could bring about a vey interesting debate?

I see people saying Kenny is not good enough when you compare him to Arnold, but the Liverpool player is even better than exceptional, and there are not many players of this calibre in the game imo?

I have asked many Liverpool fans who was the better player when they both got in the first team Gerard or Arnold, and have been looked at as if I’ve got two heads by many of them.

I remember Gerard clearing one off the line against Everton is what I tell them, but honestly think Arnold is a better player at the same age, just like England fucked up by not playing Gerard at fullback when it was obvious him and Lampard couldn’t play together, when they had a great squad of players?

It’s all about the team at the end of the day, and whilst Liverpool play with a very functional midfield, which allows the fullbacks to roam, I’ve also seen v.good teams with functional fullbacks and absolutely fantastic midfielders?

At the end of the day Jonjoe Kenny has won a World Cup in his age group, and not played enough football since to really progress, and hopefully this is the model Brands is now going to adapt, with all good young Everton players now, because you only really develop when you are playing regular first team football imo.

Coaches should definitely help you improve Don, but it’s competition that brings young players on the most?

James Newcombe
50 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:53:20
A loan to a good top division side could be the making of him. He’ll learn a lot more than he will sitting on our bench. If we’re able to recall then it’s a no-brainer!
Sam Hoare
51 Posted 01/06/2019 at 12:08:36
Tony@44, no I certainly wouldn't. Which is my point. Some players are just naturally confident but most need to learn and accrue experience. Kenny will never look totally comfortable in that position till he gets a fair crack. But it doesn't seem likely he'll get that run of games at Everton with Coleman clearly preferred. It's Catch-22: he won't be comfortable till he gets a run, but under Silva he's unlikely to get a run till he looks comfortable. Hence a loan might be best.
Dave Abrahams
52 Posted 01/06/2019 at 12:30:36
Sam (51), you have summed up Jonjoe’s situation very well, I would add that Jonjoe would be very comfortable with a manager who trusted him a lot more than Silva does.
Justin Doone
53 Posted 02/06/2019 at 23:16:05
Kenny is a good full back. Certainly good enough for the Premier league. But he wouldn't get in a top 6 team at the moment so he needs to improve to help Everton improve.

For that to happen he's needs regular competitive games. The same for Lookman, Dowell etc.

Ideally he'd go to the team that will give him the most game time in a good league but there is never any guarantees.

From Silvas point of view I think he believes Kenny is just a little to slow and lightweight for his game plan. Kennys strength is his range of crossing and passing which I think would suit Burnley who play a more direct game.

However I'm not sure even if he did well that would line him up to fit in with what Silva wants which is to have the pace and energy to get up and down the pitch more.

I'm a fan and like a full back to put in a good, accurate, pacey early cross. Something no other right sided player seems capable of doing, Coleman, Walcott, Bernard, Richarlison, Lookman..

Gerry Ring
54 Posted 03/06/2019 at 23:19:06
John #8 & Steve #41,

To suggest that Kenny is in the same league as Coleman is off the wall. I like Kenny but don't see anything to suggest he can be a top-class Premier League full back.

Seamy will, more than likely, be better next year, given his professionalism & determination. Kenny got a chance to establish himself as 1st choice full-back but didn't take it. A loan spell would definitely be a positive step.

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