The Bundesliga side, now managed by ex-Huddersfield Town boss David Wagner, have joined Burnley and Crystal Palace in wanting to bring the 22-year-old in on loan amid speculation that Everton will look to sign a more experienced backup to Seamus Coleman.
Kenny made nine appearances deputising for the Irishman this past season but has yet to convince Marco Silva that he is ready to step into the role on a more consistent basis.
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1 Posted 31/05/2019 at 14:46:02
2 Posted 31/05/2019 at 14:58:47
Keep him here FFS. He is one of the most promising young full backs in the country.
Very depressing reading about taking Martina back and sending Jonjoe out on the same page
3 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:05:34
4 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:18:45
I'd like him to stay and battle with Coleman for the starting birth, but also see the advantage of him getting a 35-40 game season for his development. Maybe this experience would see him come back next summer ready to take over from a then 1 year older Coleman.
A move to Germany could do him well also, make him develop on a personal level - new country, new language, new experience, as a scouser who lives in Brazil, I always tell people the benefits of living abroad. And on a professional level, tactical development and adapting to a different style of play could help him reach new levels, certainly more beneficial than playing for Burnley where he'll learn about kicking the ball towards the big man up front.
If we were to sign a 'more experienced' back up for Coleman, I wonder what that would be? a loan? a veteran? Or someone who will ultimately block Kenny's path?
5 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:25:17
I don't want him to go the way of Galloway who seemed to lose all motivation when he was dropped out of the limelight.
Jonjoe was a bit inconsistent and had a poor game when unexpectedly called on at short notice but at his best he is as good as Seamus and a run of games would help that consistency.
A much better option than buying an untried foreigner with little resale value.
6 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:28:01
Coleman is our number one in that position and maybe Silva has seen that Holgate did really well at West Brom last season and possibly sees him as giving cover at both right back and central defence
7 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:33:46
He wont take us to the next level. I hate to say it but look at the right back across the park light years difference.
We have to set our sights higher.
8 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:41:24
That said neither are anywhere near the level of Digne. Personally Id keep one a sell other other, on the condition we buy a starting right back.
On that basis Kenny has a higher ceiling and better attributes for Silvas style, it would have to be Seamus to go.
Martina, well, cancel his contract.
9 Posted 31/05/2019 at 15:45:37
If this loan was to help Kenny develop as a player I see no problem with it at all. It could almost be seen as part of a players natural development that they should all do, somewhere between packing them off to university to learn independence and a ‘rumspringa year away.
10 Posted 31/05/2019 at 16:17:46
Looks like we have Martina as back up to Coleman if there is any mileage in the Schalke story. Kenny will not progress at all sitting on our bench. It remains to be seen what is his ceiling. He may have reached it already.
11 Posted 31/05/2019 at 16:18:37
Spending more minutes on the pitch, rather than the bench, can only help him. It would more beneficial than being just a back up to the wonderful Seamus.
Kenny will be good enough to replace Coleman in time, we should not be looking to sell him.
12 Posted 31/05/2019 at 16:39:47
Last year he only started 13 games over the whole season. And that's with Coleman still recovering and getting back up to speed. That's not enough for a 22 year old who should be learning the game and honing his craft in my opinion.
If he goes to Burnley for example and starts 30+ games, acquitting himself well as I hope he would do, then he would improve more than sat on our bench and could return ready to take over the RB slot for good.
13 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:04:55
If we don't buy another RB this summer -- and I don't think we should -- assume Holgate will deputize for Seamus this season. By all accounts, and on the two occasions I saw him, Mason performed very well at RB for West Brom. Gotta believe he's ahead of JJK in the queue right now.
14 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:11:48
15 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:23:43
Pretty sure he had a spell on loan at Oxford. If memory serves me correctly, he had an inauspicious start but by the end of the season he was playing really well.
16 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:28:09
17 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:34:23
18 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:44:54
With Kenny his distribution as a full back seems woeful. Defensively he seems sound. I believe Holgate playing a full season at West Brom will have done him the world of good rather than a dozen games this season at Everton. I think the same applies with Kenny but do not want us to sell him.
19 Posted 31/05/2019 at 17:49:03
20 Posted 31/05/2019 at 18:02:25
If he doesnt start playing regular football now then he will never improve, and this would be a travesty for a young player who doesnt get enough credit, IMO.
Jonjoe has got a big heart, so going to Germany might just improve the technical side of his game? And I dont think Peter@18 was alone, when he didnt think Coleman would be good enough to cement his place in Evertons first team, all those years ago.
I personally think this would be a great move for Kenny, and I hope it comes off for him.
21 Posted 31/05/2019 at 18:28:13
Its not so much the kicking it up to the big man as the pace of the opposition play which hed benefit experiencing at a Burnley or another Premier League team.
Hes already strong enough to play the mans game, and could benefit from technical improvement but I fear defending in Europe might set him back but am open to persuasion.
22 Posted 31/05/2019 at 19:28:03
23 Posted 31/05/2019 at 20:22:15
His only Everton first team appearance to date was at right back.
24 Posted 31/05/2019 at 20:36:13
Seamie is not quite the player he was before injury and not getting any younger.
Kenny is a good lad, but not up to that level - at least now.
If we could get the equivalent of a right sided Digne. .
25 Posted 31/05/2019 at 20:51:49
26 Posted 31/05/2019 at 21:43:30
27 Posted 31/05/2019 at 22:05:15
At Ipswich he lined up at RB in his first two appearances, then played the next 37 games at DM.
This season at Wigan and Bolton, 35 appearances combined... 2 at RB.
You're entitled to your opinion, but his last three managers clearly considered him a midfielder.
28 Posted 31/05/2019 at 22:35:07
If he goes on loan I dont think we will be left with Holgate or Martina as back up. Wouldnt shock me if we signed a 1st team RB and Coleman was back up.
We are going to have to move on some shite again this summer, lets see how good Brands is
Its a lot to trim off the wage bill one way or another
29 Posted 31/05/2019 at 22:50:34
The Bundesliga could be a great chance to emerge and progress. I fear hell be wasting his time next season, not playing in the first team..
As I dont see Silva taking to him this season, unless as a last resort. The lad deserves a chance to forge a good career as hes got the potential to kick on.
Ironic though the drift wood pile is building up at FF, and Cuco is back. If we can shift 10 of the players referee above it would be a miracle. If we shift 6, that would be a good result.
The general tempo sees, a garage sale this summer, and the next review of BMD.
Nothing is guaranteed but if we sell a few players, and BMD is genuinely deemed to be progressing with 60k, capacity- lol, then, a few incomings, it could be the base that “Spurs” us on.
Pray tomorrow night, we are happy Evertonians!
30 Posted 31/05/2019 at 23:05:03
Connolly has played most of his senior football as a midfielder whilst out on loan, but is much less likely to get in the Everton midfield than he is to play at right back, which was his main position in youth football.
Its not really a matter of ‘opinion. Im trying to helpfully provide information to people who seem to have misconceptions. The bit that is opinion is that hes more likely to play full back for Everton than midfield. It is fact that hes right footed and came through the Everton youth teams as a defender.
31 Posted 31/05/2019 at 23:06:25
If JJK was playing elsewhere would Brands have an inclination to now sign him?
So, are we so strapped for cash by way of the cock-ups committed down the years from our boardroom that we just have to dispose of JJK on loan or sale, or are we able to make a decision about his future based on whether or not he's good enough, aged 22, to very, very soon make it as a player in a top six Premier League club? Hmm.
32 Posted 31/05/2019 at 23:08:18
You're right in that Connolly did play RB for the U23s and his one first team game for Everton. But for the U23s they also shuffled Kenny into the centre-half role. So I think part of it was that they tried to pick the best players rather than necessarily the best specialist for each position.
I saw Connolly play RB at the Under 23 World Cup and he didn't do well either going forward or when players ran at him. I think at this stage Mick McCarthy and the folks at Bolton have realized that he is better suited to a midfield position. I would be very surprised to see him break into the first team squad as a right back.
33 Posted 31/05/2019 at 23:14:45
In theory, Kenny could do the same but the challenge for him is the style of play. The game has changed and continues to evolve. Man Utd under Fergie were a "passing team" for the time but by comparison to today's sides they look like long ball merchants. Consequently, I don't know that Neville would enjoy the level of success that he had if he were playing today.
I suspect Kenny would be best served being in a bit more of a direct, old school type side. I just don't know if you're going to see that at Everton. Burnley, on the other hand, could be a good fit.
34 Posted 01/06/2019 at 00:26:54
He just needs time at his young age that some of the naysayers don't seem to give him on some postings
35 Posted 01/06/2019 at 00:31:04
Apologies if I have got it wrong, and that Callum Connolly is in fact a right-footed player, but he has definitely played left-back for England junior teams, and for Everton youth groups.
36 Posted 01/06/2019 at 01:02:22
What I don't want is us wasting money on a right back, Coleman is still a top full back and a season out will give Kenny the match practice he needs, just look at what a loan deal done for Coleman.
If he has the bottle to go to Schalke it would be massive for his development.
37 Posted 01/06/2019 at 01:13:36
38 Posted 01/06/2019 at 05:59:44
My own opinion, not having seen him, is that playing the position years ago in youth football has apparently not translated to any ability to play it as a professional -- let alone in the Prem. And based on that, I would say that if he has a future with us, it's not at RB.
39 Posted 01/06/2019 at 08:42:00
My opinion is that a young player like that is always more likely to get a chance at full back rather than in midfield as its a less key position. If were generally of the opinion that he cant play full back in senior football then I dont see any future for him at Everton, and a loan out for Kenny makes no sense.
Im not fully convinced yet though, and still believe Connolly has a chance of being an Everton right back. This bit is definitely an opinion only.
40 Posted 01/06/2019 at 09:11:48
You could make a team and bench from those. The only problem is that it'd be a League 1 team.
41 Posted 01/06/2019 at 09:31:24
Connolly is a right footed player. So is Kyle Walker-Peters. Jonjoe Kenny has them both playing left-back in the U20s World Cup due to his quality. He played like modern fullback getting forward and getting the crosses in. He's got a great right foot and hits a lovely delivery. Coleman is not even close to Kenny in terms of crossing ability. Kenny has him for pace now too. Kenny showed himself to be sold defensively, so much so that some on here actually think of him as a defensive fullback rather than an attacking one. The lad needs an extended run in our first team to show his attacking talent. Kenny has unlimited potential, but at 22 the clock is ticking and he must start playing before it all comes to nothing.
If it were up to me, I'd want him to fight with Coleman over the summer to claim the jersey. I think he can oust Coleman on merit this season.
42 Posted 01/06/2019 at 10:26:45
I agree about his crossing being better than Colemans but his dribbling and passing are definitely not currently. His passing completion of 72% last season was one of the lowest in the team. I dont think he has looked as confident on the ball for us as he has for some of the youth teams Ive seen him in.
Crucially it seems that Silva does not fully trust him yet and so Im not sure Kenny will get the game time under him that he needs to kick on.
It may be that Holgate is second choice RB next season or even that Brands brings in an upgrade on Coleman.
43 Posted 01/06/2019 at 10:53:27
If Seamus is first pick, rightly in my view, Jonjoe needs games, so it makes sense to loan him out. He needs to be told he's next in line here, I think he's a great prospect.
If Seamus gets injured, Holgate could slot in for him. I know a WBA fan who was raving about him last season.
As for Martina, like it or not, he's our player until we find another home for him.
44 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:02:05
Great points above modern football Steve, because Ive heard Arnolds best position is in midfield, and yet Klopp prefers him bombing up and down the wing.
Robertson can definitely be exploited though and Im preying Son, can get in behind either him or Arnold tonight!
45 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:11:49
Two questions; if putting in a young, inexperienced player to your Premier League team, would you rather they started at full back or central midfield?
If building a team, would you prioritise signing top full backs if it meant you had to accept second rate central midfielders or would you get top midfielders first and accept lesser full backs?
46 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:15:27
Is the best we can do for capable youngsters is send them out to lower division clubs and coaches to see how that improves them? I do have to wonder what we see as second-rate.
47 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:29:50
I think we missed the boat with Davies not sending him on loan. I also think if we had a top striker DCL may have benefited from a loan spell with a good German side instead of having to learn his trade in the hardest league in World football. Seems the template for German clubs is to pick up young talented British players, and it hasnt hampered these players getting into the full England side. Maybe thats why Lookman sees a move to Leipzig as a chance to get regular football rather than as an unused sub most weeks with us.
48 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:41:11
Are you trying to say that the Germans are better coaches and motivators and that we would be better off employing them for our youth teams or just that winning at their age level is worth nothing and perhaps we should abandon signing local youth?
49 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:43:50
I see people saying Kenny is not good enough when you compare him to Arnold, but the Liverpool player is even better than exceptional, and there are not many players of this calibre in the game imo?
I have asked many Liverpool fans who was the better player when they both got in the first team Gerard or Arnold, and have been looked at as if Ive got two heads by many of them.
I remember Gerard clearing one off the line against Everton is what I tell them, but honestly think Arnold is a better player at the same age, just like England fucked up by not playing Gerard at fullback when it was obvious him and Lampard couldnt play together, when they had a great squad of players?
Its all about the team at the end of the day, and whilst Liverpool play with a very functional midfield, which allows the fullbacks to roam, Ive also seen v.good teams with functional fullbacks and absolutely fantastic midfielders?
At the end of the day Jonjoe Kenny has won a World Cup in his age group, and not played enough football since to really progress, and hopefully this is the model Brands is now going to adapt, with all good young Everton players now, because you only really develop when you are playing regular first team football imo.
Coaches should definitely help you improve Don, but its competition that brings young players on the most?
50 Posted 01/06/2019 at 11:53:20
51 Posted 01/06/2019 at 12:08:36
52 Posted 01/06/2019 at 12:30:36
53 Posted 02/06/2019 at 23:16:05
For that to happen he's needs regular competitive games. The same for Lookman, Dowell etc.
Ideally he'd go to the team that will give him the most game time in a good league but there is never any guarantees.
From Silvas point of view I think he believes Kenny is just a little to slow and lightweight for his game plan. Kennys strength is his range of crossing and passing which I think would suit Burnley who play a more direct game.
However I'm not sure even if he did well that would line him up to fit in with what Silva wants which is to have the pace and energy to get up and down the pitch more.
I'm a fan and like a full back to put in a good, accurate, pacey early cross. Something no other right sided player seems capable of doing, Coleman, Walcott, Bernard, Richarlison, Lookman..
54 Posted 03/06/2019 at 23:19:06
To suggest that Kenny is in the same league as Coleman is off the wall. I like Kenny but don't see anything to suggest he can be a top-class Premier League full back.
Seamy will, more than likely, be better next year, given his professionalism & determination. Kenny got a chance to establish himself as 1st choice full-back but didn't take it. A loan spell would definitely be a positive step.
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