Moyes from the Blackstuff

James Daniels 30/11/2019 40comments  |  Jump to last

Yozzer would have done well with Moyes's agent whose friends in the media are determined to give the ginger becardiganed one his old job back. There's not a day that goes by when I'm not fed up of some Tory beaut's ego being massaged on 5 live to turn to TalkShite and hear Alan Brazil say, out of his prolapsed anus of a mouth, "What about Davie Moyes for the Everton job, hey?"

You even got everybody's favourite spitter, Jamie Carragher, bigging up Golem both on Sky and in his column for The Telegraph. Jamie, mate, remember when you cried because Lucas Neil broke your leg and you were going to get your crew (Davie "the sloth" Thomson) to do him in outside Selfridge's in the Trafford Centre?

Everything about Carragher screams traitor, from his switching of allegiances, to being a paid columnist for a paper that acts as a mouthpiece for a man like Boris "Self-pity city" Johnson.

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But then, being a traitor is why he probably likes Moyes.

They say football fans are fickle; perhaps that's true but when it comes to holding a grudge, I'm not for moving. Moyes, no matter how great a job he did in the 10 years prior, acted with absolute disdain for Everton in the final year of his contract. Purposefully winding it down and upsetting poor old Bill, making him cry. If reports that Kenwright is all for Moyes's return are true, I think he needs to go see a shrink about Stockholm Syndrome.

Moyes dropped his keks at the first opportunity – all because his old mate had promised him the top job over a glass of red. Guess what, Davie? He stitched you up, Manchester Utd needed a fall guy to take the hit after Fergie time, they knew it was downhill and they needed a mug like you as a buffer.

I will never forgive the club for not saying to him the moment we knew, "Fuck off then, you're not speaking to our best players." It was the 'little old Everton' Moyes built and the reason the mad Martinez fella was a breath of fresh air. When he came for Baines, I was ready to kill.

How was that 8 months though, David? My favourite bit was at Goodison Park and when you called Evertonians a "disgrace".

I'm paraphrasing but I think he once said, "The only way is down once you leave Everton". Darn tooting.

If you take my unbridled bitterness out of the equation and look at it purely from an objective point of view, he's washed up. He got sacked from Man Utd, sacked from Sociedad (wasn't he brave though?), sacked from Sunderland after telling a female presenter she might get a slap and getting them relegated, and sacked from West Ham.

He hasn't completed a solitary year at a club since leaving Everton. At each new club, he has tried immediately to implement his dour 'knife to gunfight' expectations. He did this expertly at Everton over a decade but stating, after two games of a season, that Sunderland fans should prepare for a relegation battle backfired (or is that backstabbed?).

Moyes came to Everton as a fresh-faced kid whose sheer enthusiasm was the perfect elixir to Walter Smith munching on his finger, hunched over in the Directors Box. He brought with him a new approach (including a revolutionary 'footballers shouldn't be overweight' philosophy) to a failing regime. His mistake at Man Utd was wiping out a winning formula and replacing it with Steve Round.

Do people honestly believe that he's a good manager anymore? Or that he'd fit into the current system? At the best, he was great at picking up bargains in his own image and morphing them into a solid hard-working team that stood literally no chance of winning anything because he couldn't win at a decent team away from home.

He wouldn't be allowed to buy players, he wouldn't have his dictatorial way in every minute decision the club made. He'd be a head coach, responsible for tactics (shudder) and coaching the young crop, something he proved brilliant at with the likes of Rodwell, Rooney and Barkley. You do all know that, under Moyes, Stones would have been a bad central midfielder and Lukaku a right winger?

In this day and age, his star should be the same as Mark Hughes, as Martin O'Neill, as Alan Curbishley. He shouldn't even be in the frame — he should have been banging on the Coates's doors at Stoke shouting, "Giz a job" because that's his level.

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Steve Guy
2 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:03:46
I'll not speak for others but you've summed Moyes's past and present and I agree he'd be a retrograde appointment. Silva still in the job though and hopefully gets the results that dig him and the Club out of the mire we currently find ourselves in although I doubt it.

I've said in another thread “If Moyes is the answer, I'm not sure I know what the question was”!

Let's hope If (when) Silva gets the bullet, Billie Bullshit doesn't have the final say.

Tony Everan
3 Posted 30/11/2019 at 15:21:38
Moyes's time has been and gone. When he first came there was a passion for him and he harnessed it. Times have changed, only a small minority would want him back, the rest would be despondent.

Media luvvies linking us with Moyes and Hughes are enjoying it, they are kicking us whilst we are on the floor.

I just hope Moshiri is not blindsided by Bill Kenwright. Bill's probably still got Moyes's brass nameplate ready to nail back on his office door.

Kev Gibbs
4 Posted 30/11/2019 at 16:42:45
Brilliant final sentence, Tony. Made me laugh anyway. That snake Moyes returning is a nightmare I don't want to contemplate. I would rather take a punt on someone completely untried than allow Gollum back.
James Stewart
5 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:04:19
I'm sorry but this is just stream of consciousness nonsense. Naive in the extreme, and not worthy of article space. Moyes isn't coming back. It would have happened by now if he was. This kind of vitriol is unnecessary.

John P McFarlane
6 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:09:01
Unnecessary vitroil? I would think that Moyes has gotten off lightly for the way he ran down his contract and treated the club with disdain once he sat on SAF's throne. Respect is a two way street and David Moyes decided to alter the way many of his fans thought of him.

There was a time for Moyes at Everton, it isn't now and never will be.

Anthony Murphy
7 Posted 30/11/2019 at 17:11:35
Jeeez this again?
Lenny Kingman
8 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:45:11
"How ever great a job he did for us!!"

Come off it.

Paul Hewitt
9 Posted 30/11/2019 at 18:52:55
Has anyone see the league table tonight? We're in a right mess. I would love to bring Rafa in to save us, but I can't see it happening. I think Moyes would be the next best to do it.
Ian Riley
10 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:04:16
I cannot understand the mentality of owners of football clubs? Under David Moyes we were skint, no money for big star players. I accepted under the circumstances he did a great job in terms of league position and player sales. Now here comes the bit I don't understand?

Our prayers were answered. A billionaire riding up the M62 all in blue. Since our owner has taken over we have spent over 300 million plus on players. Looking to build a new stadium. Problem is we have had manager after manager who have won what? We have had average managers and spent a lot of money. At business level you go out of business. We are heading out of the league at this rate.

I actually believe those choosing Moyes look at safe hands who can rescue the situation. It could happen. Or appoint a manager whom can put their medals on the table and up the respect of players and fans. At this point it's a lottery if any manager could save us. The board must be unified on the next manager appointed but please get a move on.

Andy Walker
11 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:29:23
As soon as you start using the term ginger or dour you lose the argument.
Dave Evans
12 Posted 30/11/2019 at 20:34:18
It's a doddle to rip into any suggestion for an interim or long term manager. The eyes squint. The veins bulge and the bile slips easily from the throat.

You can even let the spittle spread to your own topical hate figures.

It's a bit more difficult suggest a viable alternative. One backed up with at least one wipe of reason.

Moyes probably isn't the answer but neither are articles like this.

Derek Thomas
13 Posted 30/11/2019 at 21:44:59
Spot on, him and that rs twat rafa can both do one.

Right, its done, over, finito. Nobody ever mention him again

Mark Guglielmo
14 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:01:25
Before this degenerates further into yes and god no, please understand that Moyes turned down an interim appointment, telling Everton that he wanted a 2-year deal. Which is pretty ballsy for someone who's chronically unemployed for not being as good as his previous jobs.

NEXT

Brian Williams
15 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:07:26
Mark, I don't believe there's any proof of that is there and could just be more media shite, which I, for one, believe to be the case.
Mark Guglielmo
16 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:12:05
Brian, yeah probably not what I would call great sources, so that's fair. Maybe if I wish that to be true really hard, it will be.

Though, tbf, media shite is believed daily on this site.

Brian Williams
17 Posted 30/11/2019 at 22:17:11
That's half the problem Mark lol.
Derek Thomas
18 Posted 01/12/2019 at 00:28:26
Mark @ 16; thats because if its too bad to be true, we want to be able to say Christ Everton wtf.

If its too good to be true, we still want it to be true - because were special, a big club and nothing but the best will do...and don't get me started on our ability to 'do' the most outragious sort of Doublethink that would make Mustapha Mond AND The Tik Tok Man blush.

Shrinks could get Nobel Prizes using this and other sites as source material.

Henry Lloyd
19 Posted 01/12/2019 at 04:05:50
Probably one of the best articles I have ever read on this site, the truth spoken and telling it how it is... The times I have been slated for saying similar things I have lost count.

Marco Silva should have been sacked after Spurs Stuffed us 6-2 at Goodison. Now even their manager has been sacked, along with a shit load of other so-called Big Club managers. But fucking Silva is still here... What the fuck is going on???

Call it a waste of article space James Stewart (@5)? At least it's the truth, even if it's bitter and sarcastic, but it is all true!! Some people, in fact, a lot of people, need to wise up and start speaking the truth.


James Kirrane
20 Posted 01/12/2019 at 06:13:39
Good article James. I think most Evertonians felt betrayed by Moyes in his last year. His behaviour was reprehensible. Moyes is clearly very arrogant and believes he is a lot better than he actually is. His recent track record is poor and I do not think the club's hierarchy are stupid enough to employ a guy whose appointment would be extremely unpopular with the fans.
Mark Andersson
21 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:15:37
The media want and have Everton were they want them.. There monopoly on the big 6 suits there agenda... if for some mirical Everton done a Leicester the media would go into melt down...

As far as the Moyes debate goes if he dose get the job he wont last long because there are more fans against him even before he starts..

David Nicholls
22 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:45:01
I’d take Moyes back in a heartbeat. We were in a horrendous state when he took over and he left us in a healthy position.

Martinez was able to add Barry and Lukaku to what was a very decent team resulting in his impressive first season. Since then, we have gone backwards despite spunking over a hundred million quid on players.

Dave Abrahams
23 Posted 01/12/2019 at 08:53:15
David (22), Moyes took over Everton seventeen years ago, a lot younger then and raring to have a go in the premier league, he’s past his best now, look at his last four jobs.

If you want a younger Moyes then Sean Dyche is the Man you want, neither of them are my own personal choice to be honest, but of the two the Burnley manager would be the better choice, IMO.

David Nicholls
24 Posted 01/12/2019 at 09:05:00
Actually Dave, I would welcome Dyche. I think people imagine him as being a long ball merchant who loves to hoof it up to Wood and Barnes but i’d be interested to see what he’d do with better players. I remember they did us at Goodison under Koeman and their goal was a move involving about 20 passes
Eric Paul
25 Posted 01/12/2019 at 09:20:16
James @20,

They employed Allardyce!!!

Tony Everan
26 Posted 01/12/2019 at 09:29:14
Dyche has worked wonders at Burnley, but I don't want him at Everton. I don't think he has what it takes to take us to the next level.

Though a few more home results like yesterday's he may be a free agent soon... would save us on compensation.

Kevin Molloy
27 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:50:07
Everybody saying Moyes is finished – he did the job we need him to do just 12 months ago with West Ham. Lifted them to safety with the minimum of fuss. You'd think it was close season and we had the pick of the crop the way people are talking.

Southampton and West Ham won yesterday; we have never been in greater danger of going down. If we go down, we ain't coming back up, not with our debt.

We have to have a professional in, who knows what he is doing. It's a massive job, there are only two candidates I'd be confident will do it: Moyes or Benitez.

Paul Hewitt
28 Posted 01/12/2019 at 11:59:16
Kevin @27. Spot on mate. People seem to think when Silva is gone, we can just go and get any manager we want. We can't... and, like you said, Moyes and Rafa are the only two I feel confident in keeping us up.
Nicholas Ryan
29 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:05:01
Was David Moyes a good manager? … Yes
Is he still a good manager? … Possibly
Is he worth taking a 'punt' on? … Probably not.
George McKane
30 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:20:39
For those supporting the dreadful prospect of Moyes coming back, I wonder if any of you are also criticising Management, Silva and The Club in its general lack of ambition, bravery, courage and defensive thinking?

For me, having watched Everton for 60 years now, the last 6 or 7 years (actually if I am truthful I mean 8 or 9) of Moyes era was dreadful and his whole negative, good loser, safety-first, 'who do we think we are' attitude made me sick.

I could not stand to see him anywhere near our Club again.

Tom Harries
31 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:29:19
"In this day and age, his star should be the same as Mark Hughes, as Martin O'Neill, as Alan Curbishley."

Mark Hughes has been linked with us by at least one paper.

Andrew James
32 Posted 01/12/2019 at 12:36:44
The moment the original post lost credibility in my eyes was during the Stones and Lukaku remark.

Moyes bought Stones (despite people always thinking he was a Martinez purchase) and he had an excellent record with centre-halves. He didn't buy Lukaku but I find the claim he would have played him on the wing ridiculous.

We didn't have many strikers like Lukaku under Moyes. The three I can think of are Ferguson, Yakubu and Beattie, all of whom Moyes played at the very top.

I understand some coming out now and being fearful he might return but the re-writing of history and forgetting context is embarrassing. Moyes had little money to spend (anyone remember the 2 years where Beckford and Gueye the secret weapon were our only signings? Or Stracqualursi?) and we finished top half for 9 out of 11 seasons and in the top 6 many times.

In the last 4 seasons, we have finished 11th, 7th, 8th and 8th. Under Moyes, a 7th or 8th was a disappointment because he'd got us to 4th, 5th or 6th.

I don't see him returning as a good idea as it would tarnish an already dented reputation for him and the legacy of 11 years with us.

If you prefer 2014-2019 to 2002-2013 then fine. Less finals, less semis and more sackings. I know which era I remember more fondly.

Can we stop beating the guy up. If you don't want him back and based on the last half-decade, I can understand, but he gave us the best decade since the 80s. Look at the table finishes and the results and try arguing otherwise?

Rick Tarleton
33 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:14:42
I don't think that "betraying" our club is relevant, it's what managers and players do when they leave for higher pay and better prospects.

What concerns me about this talk of Moyes returning is the fact that people have forgotten just how awful a manager he is. At no club since Everton has he lasted a season; his ultra conservative, defensive attitude means every game starts with the attitude, we have a point, he plays for that point and if we go ahead, take off an attacking player and put on an extra defender.

He simply is inadequate.

Paul Birmingham
34 Posted 01/12/2019 at 13:23:22
It's a non starter and even the board must know, it would backfire.

Moyes had a time at EFC, and done well on a shoestring, but he effectively conned the club in his last 18 months, and left.

His conduction of his transfer plans in his first season to claim that good players must leave EFC to further career, proved his nature and lack respect for EFC.

Big time Charlie, came and found that he couldn't do it, and his stock has fallen to a short term journey man manager.

I hope the board take their time and make a quality decision on our next manager.

There's loads of potential managers mentioned, but only a few we will be likely to secure.

For now focus is on the Leicester game.

Paul Kelly
35 Posted 01/12/2019 at 15:47:18
Was going to write an essay, I'll keep it simple. NO, a billion times over to TGT, he comes, I go, as will many others.
Jack Convery
36 Posted 02/12/2019 at 00:39:46
Unfortunately there isn't a font big enough for me to write the word NO ! It is NO and will remain NO. Stopping a ship from sinking is one thing turning it into an Ocean going liner is beyond him and always was. I agree Stoke and teams of their ilk are his level. He shafted EFC and pulled the wool over Tiny Tears Kenwright. If he is appointed I will not step into Goodison again.
Craig Walker
37 Posted 02/12/2019 at 13:44:33
Rick @33. Exactly my thoughts. Well said.
Dick Fearon
38 Posted 02/12/2019 at 20:24:01
If it has to be Moyes, he could give us a sign he has learned from his mistakes while ditching his "knife to a gunfight" mantra.

He could demonstrate his willingness to do those things by signing a success-based contract.

Jerome Shields
39 Posted 02/12/2019 at 23:00:37
Apparently Everton where talking to Moyes, but pulled out of talks, such is the backlash from Fans against Moyes.

Many of us where optimistic regarding Silva. He showed signs that Everton had players who where heading in the right direction, when playing well.

But whether it be Norwich or Liverpool we all know now that weaknesses right across Silvas Everton team on the pitch will ensure no matter how well players may play Everton will not win most games and will lose most of them in the third quarter of the match.

Potential we may all think that Everton can perform to a level to compete, if they bother to turn up, in fixtures this side of Xmas, but it is now becoming increased delusional to expect results across all competitions.

Silva has been looking at the same problems in the Everton team throughout his tenure and either has failed to identify them or is incapable of finding a solution.

The solution to the current Everton Crisis is now determined by the ability or lack of ability of the Everton Board and Senior Management, in which our confidence is questionable.

It's looks as if Everton Fans are destined to suffer.

Alexander Murphy
40 Posted 03/12/2019 at 06:10:24
FUCK "moyes" off !

[Please note: I deliberatley de-capitalised that name as a deep mark of deisrepect. If it appears capitalised then it's been imposed by TW and is against My expressed intent].

Any slack arsed journo who has the cretinicity to wheel out that serial loser really needs their contract terminated.

I've tired of reading his name in the same sentence as Everton.

When "happy clapping" Goodison applauded this reptile for his Quisling departure, I sat unmoved in My seat. Secretly, I was delighted. His malodorous, bottler, forelock tugging, "silver phobic" ways had thoroughly sickened Me. I wish that he'd left years earlier and taken bloody Widow Twanky with him.

Apparently, Twanky & Mosh have been taken aback at the ferocity with which Evertonians have reacted to the prospect of the ginger turd returning. Really ? Well done Blues, keep up the good work.

His return would guarantee us relegation.

Love Everton ?
Hate Moyes.

Steve Ferns
41 Posted 03/12/2019 at 11:40:22
If it's not Moyes why is he even money favourite and no one else has a look in? It can't all be people who support other clubs having a "flutter" can it?

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