The last round of games in 2019 for the Premier League included some controversial moments when VAR again gifted a win to Liverpool in their relentless charge toward the Premier League title.
Meanwhile, failed former Everton manager David Moyes has been reappointed as the manager of West Ham, who have sacked Pellegrino.
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1 Posted 29/12/2019 at 14:05:47
2 Posted 29/12/2019 at 14:10:46
3 Posted 29/12/2019 at 14:11:51
4 Posted 29/12/2019 at 17:27:04
5 Posted 29/12/2019 at 17:31:52
Sick of the corrupt side of this game. Level playing field is a fantasy.
6 Posted 29/12/2019 at 17:33:09
7 Posted 29/12/2019 at 17:38:37
8 Posted 29/12/2019 at 17:41:07
9 Posted 29/12/2019 at 17:42:39
10 Posted 29/12/2019 at 17:45:43
What a joke.
11 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:15:51
Paul A, CCTV is a tool used in a court of law but depending on the case, it has been known for footage to be lost, or even stolen, but this is different because everyone could see Van Dijk, handle the ball?
Why look at something at half-time? So they dont get it wrong again next week? Obviously depending on the teams, but its Bournemouth and Wolves, who have got the biggest case to argue with the EPLS governing body, because both of these teams have been back on the pitch again less than 48 hours after finishing their last fixture and both with games away from home, whilst our neighbours once again get the most rest in between games.
The only thing worse than Liverpool being top is listening to some of the commentators. I know I could turn the sound down but Im listening to Jim Beglin, and he sounds like hes just sitting in the Kop talking to his mate, and I sometimes need to listen to some of this unadulterated shite for future reference!
12 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:16:03
13 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:18:11
They blatantly ignored it at the time. Listen to Carragher correcting where he thought the handball was before the decision came through.
They are full of shit.
14 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:23:31
15 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:28:51
Credit to Wolves today, theyve had a really good go and have shown incredible fitness levels considering what time they got off the pitch on Friday night, with a team that is evolving, and playing in Europe looks like its helping them immensely imo.
16 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:31:05
17 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:31:24
18 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:42:40
Too far back being one long pass coming off someones shoulder and then a goal, and probably about 4/5 seconds. Every team has had bad decisions because of VAR, but Wolves must be feeling sick after that right now.
Sheff Utd are having a good go at Man City, so lets hope Everton can do the same on New Year's Day.
19 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:48:52
20 Posted 29/12/2019 at 18:55:48
21 Posted 29/12/2019 at 19:01:55
I agree with the rule on offside should be looked at as we have had goals disallowed from fingertips to toenails for offside.
22 Posted 29/12/2019 at 19:03:11
23 Posted 29/12/2019 at 19:09:36
24 Posted 29/12/2019 at 19:12:56
Taylor couldnt bring Van Dijk's handball back, but VAR, could bring back the Wolves player being offside by a thumb-nail, out wide on the touch line, which just shows the lack of consistency with the whole VAR process at the minute.
It wasnt the linesmans fault he got the offside wrong with it being so tight, but even though everyone could see Van Dijks handball, we are not going to over-rule the referee for such a terrible decision, because its not why VAR has been introduced to the game right now!
25 Posted 29/12/2019 at 19:16:40
I still watch it sometimes because I find it funny, (honest) but theres nothing funny about getting robbed though mate, especially at footy.
26 Posted 29/12/2019 at 20:20:43
27 Posted 29/12/2019 at 20:30:37
I honestly think we showed a lack of fear there early on, (maybe too fearless) and our youngsters got through them a couple a times when we were one down.
I still think Calvert-Lewin should have been awarded a pen but hey-ho.
Watch how many of the 50/50 decisions go their way in the cup tie and all the little fouls they make to break our momentum go unpunished.
It's the momentum breaks that do more harm over the 90 mins and they have always got that advantage over us.
28 Posted 29/12/2019 at 20:57:12
I was flabbergasted, somehow kept control of my mouth, grandchildren on board, and the car.
I have no words, COYB.
29 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:00:57
After your turkey and your Christmas pud, a bit of Bully will do you good.
Keep out of the black etc. Top stuff. Jim Bowen and Howard Kendall two men at their peak.
30 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:04:16
31 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:23:12
Moyes confirmed as new West Ham Utd manager.
32 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:24:26
33 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:31:20
The Van Dijk decision was another strange one as I thought VAR was supposed to be used for all parts leading up to the goal, and that should have included Van Dijk's involvement. But as Uefa are thinking of using robots for linespersons, the best is yet to come. As I said, the use of VAR is taking the excitement from the game and that will eventually lose spectators.
34 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:35:51
35 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:36:24
36 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:55:06
37 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:57:55
Apparently the pilot was so bad, they nearly scrapped the whole thing. You can't beat a bit of Bully!
38 Posted 29/12/2019 at 21:58:41
You are not alone, mate. I too with world class naivety thought that VAR would be a great leveller, the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd at home would now be dealt the same hand as ourselves.
How fuckin wrong we were, eh? It just gives the individuals involved another opportunity to bottle it or look away.
Not only has VAR done nothing to stop inherent favouritism of the chosen few, it is having a detrimental effect on the whole game as a live spectacle. I really believe it to be a chronic disservice to football.
39 Posted 29/12/2019 at 22:05:27
40 Posted 29/12/2019 at 22:23:43
"This club makes me fucking sick,"
"No ambition whatsoever,"
"You can take my season ticket and stick it where the sun dont shine! Next level? Seriously!"
"I honestly hope you receive a winding up order and liquidate,"
Thank God we didn't bring him back. Feel sorry for West Ham, always liked them as they (usually) try to play the right way and in the Di Canio days were a bit crazy.
Re the Liverpool win tonight. Just ridiculous. Ref disallows their goal - VAR overrules and gives is. Ref gives Wolves' goal - VAR overrules and disallows it. Just what dodgy deal has been done with some far eastern betting syndicate to give them the league this year? They've already had about half a dozen dodgy VAR decisions go their way this season. Without VAR they'd be on about 10 points less!
41 Posted 29/12/2019 at 22:54:17
I hear now they're talking about changing the laws of the game to suit VAR, unbelievable! It is definitely an anti-match-going-supporters thing and the best day ever would be the day it's binned.
42 Posted 29/12/2019 at 23:24:36
Upon his return, he said: "It's fabulous to be back. It feels great to be home. I've missed being here because I really enjoyed it."
43 Posted 29/12/2019 at 23:49:28
Like fully completing the job he did at Sunderland, d'ya think he means..?
44 Posted 29/12/2019 at 00:07:54
Of course, football is now completely bent. When you play Liverpool, you are actually up against the combined financial might of Nike, Nivea, Standard Chartered Bank, Western Union and New Balance. They have Amazon, the BBC, BT and Sky in their pockets too. These companies want their products in the hands of trophy winners and will pay accordingly, under the radar of course.
Dark forces, mate, just do not believe it is sport any longer and more often than not we are the flip side of the coin.
45 Posted 30/12/2019 at 00:34:21
46 Posted 30/12/2019 at 01:07:20
47 Posted 30/12/2019 at 02:35:53
48 Posted 30/12/2019 at 03:13:17
49 Posted 30/12/2019 at 03:30:02
Now, I do respect what he did for the club for 1st 5-6 years of his reign, but then he started believing in all the media hype about himself, he lost his humility, he began to believe that he was doing us a favour. That is when we got stale, never believed that he or Everton could win anything.
Thank god for good sense to prevail over Brands and Moshiri. Now, we dont know how the Carlo appointment will ultimately turn out, but at least we will know that we tried with one of the very best managers to lead our club. Here is hoping for a new dawn in our beloved clubs history.
50 Posted 30/12/2019 at 04:49:30
51 Posted 30/12/2019 at 06:50:10
I cant forgive Moyes for the way he left Everton so disrespectfully. When saying about Martinez, “Hell learn how it works over there” [paraphrase] and then poaching our players for buttons. He was a dick about the entire thing.
I hope he goes down with West Ham.
That might be the worst managerial appointment Ive ever seen. Horrible. Poor West Ham fans will have no hope and theyll be full of venom Ill bet.
52 Posted 30/12/2019 at 07:37:25
53 Posted 30/12/2019 at 08:54:36
Similarly, I would like to know at what point a ball is deemed to have been played by the foot and what difference it would make if the ball was deemed to have left the foot an instant earlier or later.
I'm not sure how many frames per second modern video is recorded in, but in my younger days, I worked in the animation industry and we had 24 frames of action in one second. Now if you look at the speed of football 24 frames per second can cover a fair bit of movement. It can thus be decided that a ball has "left" a boot at the moment when an armpit is offside but if one decided that the ball left the boot one 24th of a second earlier, that offender would be well onside.
Therefore the person looking at the footage has a certain amount of input as to when this occurs. This means that if the Video Ref has a personal bias or there is a general feeling amongst those in the game that it would be "good for the product" that a certain team benefits, then there is the flexibility to interpret events favourably.
The focus on TV is always on the superimposed line showing toenials or armpits on or offside. What I would like to see is the boot and ball and a close-up from more than one angle to detect the instant of release and how that relates to the resultant decision.
54 Posted 30/12/2019 at 09:08:46
I feel however the answer to your question is quite simple. The ‘right' call is whichever is needed to give Liverpool an advantage.
The disallowed Wolves goal being a case in point. The guy was about 2 cm offside. How that isn't basically level I'll never know.
55 Posted 30/12/2019 at 09:09:45
56 Posted 30/12/2019 at 09:28:26
Scrap it at the end of the season and let's get back to booing the refs on the field, not the refs in a bunker playing video games.
57 Posted 30/12/2019 at 09:56:57
The tail is wagging the dog here. It should be for The Referee to ask: Did I see what I thought I saw? Not for VAR to pull The Referee up on something he thinks is okay.
"His elbow was offside" — my arse!
58 Posted 30/12/2019 at 10:20:35
59 Posted 30/12/2019 at 10:50:27
They are a squad with great ability but they lack cohesion and fight and if they got this appointment wrong they would be drifting for the Championship.
Moyes was brought in on a 18 month contract which is probably the least he would have taken but suggests the owners only want him to keep them up and is no show of faith. He also did well the last time there so I would imagine he will get a few out of their comfort zone like he did with Arnautovic.
I think he is ideal for them
60 Posted 30/12/2019 at 10:56:09
61 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:18:34
Very well said. You cover a point Ive (less articulately) made since the introduction of VAR.
There is all this fussing about players being offside by 1mm yet absolutely no consideration when the ball was kicked.
Determining when the ball left a players boot is a really difficult task in itself. It might even be impossible without ultra-slow motion cameras. That is fine and I think imperfection in that sense is understandable. However, if they cant get that right then how can they be over-ruling referees on the basis that a ‘clear and obvious error has been made?
I would wager well see a change to that terminology before next year, too. ‘Clear and obvious will be replaced by something even more vague.
62 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:22:19
I would also stop the use of these lines being drawn across the pitch, let the on field ref look at it without the lines and make his decision on what he sees.
Why does Mike Riley decide that refs wont use on field monitors, also how come other leagues let the ref use the monitor. It shows how bad this system is when you have ex refs disagreeing with VAR decisions, This delay every time a goal is scored waiting to see if VAR will let it stand or not is killing the game. You celebrate the goal then have to wait to see if it will stand, most fans in the stadium hate VAR as it kills the atmosphere completely.
63 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:27:43
64 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:33:35
They get away with murder because they dont have to come right out and explain themselves, leaving it for everyone else to argue, and usually about “who said what”, in the television studios, which are usually dominated by ex-players of the teams that are getting the most favourable decisions, is how Id probably break it all down?
65 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:37:06
As to VAR in general, there is only one team in the PL that has not had a VAR decision cost and indeed gain them points - no surprises for guessing which!
Graham Hammond#44 is spot on - Sky bean counters will be rubbing their hands at the anticipated increase in Sky Sport subscriptions etc if and when "their" club is eventually given the PL title.
If we are to be forever cursed with any form of video review, it should be as Brian Harrison#62 suggests - and even then should only be used if it can genuinely be suggested to the ref that he may have made a clear and obvious error.
The system as it stands and is currently used is corrupt and stinks.
66 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:37:51
The way it is implemented right now is horrible. Football never wants to hear about other sports, but take a look at cricket, rugby, tennis or even field hockey. They've all sorted it out in a better way. Football will get there but typical as it is - football is inventing the wheel again.
I think I once read an interview with a cricket umpire who said one thing people needed to adjust was their expectation about the VAR. It's not about getting the right calls percentage from 90% to 100%. Video assisted refereeing is not going to do that. But to get from 90% to 93% or even 95% is progress. I feel this is one of the things football is doing wrong - case in hand are all the on-side/off-side discussions. VAR wants to score 100%. But as Eddie #53 demonstrated very well, a lot of times even with all the video evidence at hand, it is still very dubious to make the call. And in those instances, VAR should not make the call at all.
67 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:52:49
The fact that Im disagreeing with you proves that the only thing VAR, is doing at the minute is creating even more arguments, which is the exact opposite of what its supposed to do.
I dont think its trying to invent the wheel again Erik, I just think it hasnt got a clear clue, which is probably proved best by the inconsistencies we are seeing every single week.
68 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:56:03
On VAR, I really don't see why there can't be the equivalent of umpire's call in cricket. 'Clear and obvious' hints at this (but isn't implemented), but for offside decisions surely it wouldn't be difficult to have a 'zone of uncertainty' of a foot or so?
69 Posted 30/12/2019 at 11:58:08
So it's simple, as long as any part of your body is onside, then you're onside.
70 Posted 30/12/2019 at 12:01:04
71 Posted 30/12/2019 at 12:15:26
72 Posted 30/12/2019 at 12:28:44
Cheers for that. Spat coffee all over my kecks! 🤣
73 Posted 30/12/2019 at 13:39:08
You just know that if Coleman made that handball in the run-up to an Everton goal against Liverpool the VAR would have said it was in the phase of play leading to a goal. New rules should not be subject to interpretation.
74 Posted 30/12/2019 at 13:43:55
With all of the "active" "inactive" etc stuff to keep an eye on, the game is surely being poorly reffereed, as no human could possibly see it all at once, hence the calls for VAR supposedly to help the officials.
If the law was that any player in an offside position when the ball is played results in an offside flag, then we would all be able to judge it clearly.
Surley players deliberately going offside at free kicks etc to draw defenders deeper, are still "active" as they encourage defenders and keepers to keep an eye on them incase they become "Active" again a second or two later.
Messing about with the rules has created this whole mess.
Add to all this the nonesense in Europe, where linos are encouraged to keep their flags down until the move is complete just adds to the confusion and dissappointment, just like the current VAR check on every goal.
Technology, if it can be trusted, is fine if used in a proper system. Cricket is an example where the system is wrong. With the silly review limits, so batters clearly out cannot be reviewed, even though a million viewers all know he should be, brings the game into disrepute, as does the dodgey technology that decides how high the ball will bounce, regardless of any inconsistencies in the surface or wind!
So many times we see imaginary balls being tracked over the stumps, when in the past all that was needed for the Umpire, was for the ball to be in line at a low enough height, and the batsman to either not play a shot, or miss the ball as it hit his pad.
They have over complicated it, so that they now rely on the flawed technology to get their decisions, and in the process leave players on the pitch, who were clearly out, whilst others are deemed out on an imaginary ball hitting imaginary stumps.
Football needs to be simplified or we will be forever mired in technology, that may or may not give us a more accurate decision.
I would suggest that for a player to be offside, the attacker should be given the benefit of the doubt, and clear daylight should be visible between the attacker's torso and the defender's for offside to be granted. This would be much clearer to see, less flagging and no toenails and armpits.
75 Posted 30/12/2019 at 13:57:03
Now a striker has to be fully behind the defender to be certain. Absolute nonsense.
76 Posted 30/12/2019 at 16:33:44
Until VAR can produced instantaneous outcomes, it's shit.
77 Posted 30/12/2019 at 17:36:54
78 Posted 30/12/2019 at 17:54:51
May I suggest that in the FA Cup tie at Anfield the away side should be injected with caffeine and the home team something like . (suggestions on a postcard please...)
79 Posted 30/12/2019 at 23:12:05
I would find soul destroying.Why bother with a referee.The game is pandering to a completely different type of supporter.The fans that go regularly home and away don't matter any more.Its geared to the Sky / BT/ Amazon viewers who don't go to games but demand football to fit within there leisure time.In other words,football is no longer a working man's game and hasn't been since the start of the premier League.Its going to become a sort of Rollerball/Stephen King nightmare whereby individuals will bet on various incidents throughout a game oh hang on,they do that now
I support Everton because it's in my blood, I have even got Everton on my birth certificate being born in Mill Road so yes.Evertonians are born.I don't watch any other football if I can help it because the hype and what I have said above render it all shite to me.
I have rambled on a lot here but I have had a celebratory drink as my wife is now out of danger and on the road to recovery although I will have many months of rehab with her.I am humbled by the many heartfelt messages I have had from fellow blues and even feel George's cosmic grooves coming through as I write.To all fellow ToffeeWebers throughout the world,I wish you all the very best for the New Year...have to sign off now the ale has got the best of me.NSNO
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