Brighton & Hove Albion vs Everton

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Yerry Mina is doubtful for the game because of a minor knee injury that has prevented him from training this week

Everton travel to the south coast this weekend for a clash with Brighton that will be intriguing in the wake of the Blues' 2-0 victory over West Ham last Saturday.

The changes in personnel and approach that Marco Silva made against the Hammers yielded a hugely promising performance and three precious points that point the way forward for a Toffees side that looked bereft after four successive defeats in the Premier League.

Having established what could now be a blueprint for an assault on the top six that looked fanciful just a week ago, Evertonians will be waiting to see if the manager breaks up a winning team by restoring some of the previous guard to the team or trusts the players that dominated and triumphed over West Ham to take the club forward.

Silva's line-up will be instructive when it comes to his willingness to keep some highly experienced and very well-compensated individuals on the bench despite their availability or late exploits last weekend. In addition to Gylfi Sigurdsson, who made a statement regarding his potency from 20 yards as a substitute in the closing stages against West Ham, Morgan Schneiderlin and Fabian Delph will be available again after they recovered from minor injuries, while Seamus Coleman is eligible again after serving a one-match ban.

To reinstate any of those players would be harsh on Djibril Sidibé and Tom Davies who both put in excellent displays, while taking Iwobi out of the No 10 role after he looked so dynamic and effective in it would be an enormously disappointing retrograde step.

It's a long season and Silva will need to draw on the depth of his squad at times because of injury and suspension so he can afford to keep faith with a winning XI for now, allow Delph to fully reover and risk the frustration of some of the egos in the meantime.

Silva might not have a choice but to leave out of his star performers at the Amex Stadium, though. Everton look likely to be without Yerry Mina after the Colombian sustained a minor knee injury late in the game against West Ham and hasn't yet trained fully with the first team this week because of the problem.

Silva remained hopeful that he might improve sufficiently in the next 48 hours to be able to play but indicated his confidence that Mason Holgate would be able to confidently fill the void.

"It's not such good news at the moment," Silva said of Mina who has arguably been the Blues' best player so far this season. "Of course, we have two more days until the game, so let's see how he is tomorrow and on matchday as well.

"It's not a serious, serious injury but it's something that until now hasn't put Yerry ready to work with the team in a full session.

"Mason is ready and prepared. He's showed me every single day that he's working hard to achieve and get his chance.

"He already did in two Carabao Cup matches. He did well, performed well and, in the game against Sheffield Wednesday, he did a very good game.

"I'm 100 per cent sure if he gets the chance he'll be ready to perform at his level because we believe in him."

For their part, Brighton promise to be a very different proposition under Graham Potter this season than they were under his predecessor, Chris Hughton. The former Swansea boss has revolutionised the way the Seagulls play, ushering in a passing and possession-based game that aims to beat the press of modern Premier League teams, pass their way through the lines and exploits nominal centre-halves as fullbacks.

It makes for a less predictable foe than Hughton's more rudimentary style and with Everton's high line already shown to be susceptible to movement and incisive through-balls this season,Silva will need to be wary of Brighton's new strengths.

Potter will be without Aaron Mooy who serves a suspension following his dismissal for two bookable offences in a 2-1 defeat at Aston Villa last Saturday but he will be looking for a repeat of his team's 3-0 shock of Tottenham a couple of weeks ago when Everton come to town.

Kick-off: 3pm, Saturday, 26 October, 2019
Referee: Andy Madley
Last Time: Brighton 1 - 0 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Holgate, Digne, Gomes, Davies, Iwobi, Bernard, Walcott, Richarlison

 

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David Pearl
1 Posted 24/10/2019 at 23:03:31
I've been liking the way Mina has progressed this season with a run of games and the confidence and aggression he has shown at corners trying to get a goal. We would miss him but this is why we have a squad and lm eager to see if Holgate can take his chance and show he's ready too. Big game, l hope we show we can kick on from here and not go backwards again.
Neil Wood
2 Posted 24/10/2019 at 23:11:13
Echo that David I like him... I think he's showing how good he is. And I also am a big fan of Holgate and think technically he is very gifted. Looking forward to Saturday
Gary Willock
3 Posted 24/10/2019 at 23:17:20
Holgate is a right sided defender only. As is Keane. Give the boy Gibson (or Feeney?) a go and show that the competition is more than “3” ?
Eddie Dunn
4 Posted 24/10/2019 at 23:26:26
We're doomed!
Derek Knox
5 Posted 24/10/2019 at 23:33:59
This seems strange, as on the Digne praises Silva thread, Jay Woods BRZ was saying he watched a video of Finch Farm training and Mona appeared to train as normal with the others.

I hope that is the case, as he would be a major loss, as David @1, mentioned he is a decent goal threat from corners, and has been unlucky with some good headers being saved.

I also agree that we should be able to replace anyone in the squad through injury, but we don't have a ready made replacement for Mina, heightwise, or at set pieces, hypothetically had Zouma still been with us, it would lessen the loss.

Mark Guglielmo
6 Posted 24/10/2019 at 23:48:09
Well this is problematic. I hope Holgate can surprise us in the same way Davies did last week. And maybe we don't give up any corners? One can dream!
Andrew James
7 Posted 24/10/2019 at 00:00:43
Holgate can do a job for us. He's a good player.

He actually is suited to Brighton now who like to play on the ground. Mina is great in the air but Mason can get the jockeying in and move the ball through space.

John Pierce
8 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:08:08
If we play the same way and with the same verve, Holgate will slide nicely into a rear guard which played a highest of high lines last week.

That plays to his strengths as has acceleration and pace. Despite his other flaws it may well work out okay.

Mark Guglielmo
9 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:10:28
He's certainly athletic enough in what limited time I've seen him play. Hope you're right, Andrew. I do surely hope that Keane realizes we need him to step up and command our back line more than ever, and Pickford communicates what's needed effectively.

Of course perhaps our attack will help take some pressure off the D as well.

Alexander Murphy
10 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:14:55
Mina has actually progressed this season despite our lacklustre showing.

Apparently, he has been working on his English.

(Surely that's vital for a central defender, to be able to talk with those around him ?).

Makes Me wonder how many of our players, staff & manager aren't fluent in a common dressing room language. I mean, Marco isn't exactly as fluent as Roberto Martinez, is he ?.

I'd rashly assumed that this would be a nailed on certainty. How naive of Me, or how naive of multi million pound Everton PLC ?
Or.
Is this the "Injury" that so many of our incoming players suffer from ?

Hope that Yerry is fit for Saturday. He's definately going to score soon. Maybe Marco needs to set him a 12 goal this season target like HK did with Degsy ?

John Keating
11 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:15:46
A pity if Mina does miss out as he was improving game by game.

As posters have mentioned I am sure Holgate will fit in comfortably

One good thing that may come out of this is that hopefully one of the youngsters will be on the bench - been calling for it forever! Which can only be beneficial to the Club and the lad.

Apart from Holgate same starting lot as last week please

Filipe Torres
12 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:19:41
As much as I would love a win, I think marco still hasn't sort out the defence.
West ham sat back but I expect brighton to press, do a bit of huff and puff and throw themselves at us with agression.
I only hope a draw but wont be surprised on a 1-0; 2-1 defeat.
Jerome Shields
13 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:20:08
It will be interesting to see Hol gate perform.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

14 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:34:29
Derek @ 5. Lyndon's report is misleading in that it states Mina hasn't trained all week. This video shows he has done just that in the last 24 hours.

Link

At the start of the video, you can see Mina walking out with Anthony Gordon, then in the background jogging lightly with the rest of the team in a warm-up. He is also seen briefly doing some gentle stretches.

What you don't see is him participating in the game practice, whereas you do see four other centre backs hard at it: Keane, Holgate, Gibson and Feeney.

Kase Chow
15 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:53:22
Really hope Mason Holgate doesn't play genuinely don't see what he brings to the team: no Ariel dominance, not lightening quick, not fantastic at reading the game. He's bang average and if he played for another EPL team, he wouldn't be first choice on our list to being him in

Would he get in any of the top 6 teams squads? I doubt it

I'd rather see Gibson who's a highly rated prospect. And giving him game time might persuade him to stay rather than we lose him for free

Holgate is NOT our future. Gibson might be

Michael Kenrick
16 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:56:53
Jay, I imagine it's the nuance in Silva's description: "... it's something that until now hasn't put Yerry ready to work with the team in a full session" [emphasis added].

So yes, he's doing some training... but perhaps not enough for selection? Only time will tell.

Derek Knox
17 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:59:44
Jay @ 14, thanks for that link mate, I see what you mean but being optimistic, I wouldn't rule him out completely till 14.00 GMT when the official team sheet is released.

Like many have indicated too, I hope if there are to be changes, that is the only one forced on us. This won't be an easy game but is certainly winnable if we play anything like last Saturday.

Mark Guglielmo
18 Posted 25/10/2019 at 01:30:44
Kase @15 nevermind that the top 6 isn't the top 6 this year, but how many of our starters do you think actually would? Digne and that's it.

Edit: unless you simply meant make the 18 as a sub, in which case you're correct

John Pierce
19 Posted 25/10/2019 at 01:36:46
Don't play half fit players, it's maddening. Let Mina rest up and be ready for Watford.

So many Everton managers have risked semi fit players in the past and guess what they rarely perform to the max and often pull others on the team to do a bit extra to cover them. It's detracts from everyone's game, often wasting a substitution.

Many say a ‘half fit so and so' is better than a 'fully fit whosyafather' That applies to Messi and Ronaldo not big Yegsy Mina dog. The lad despite being a behemoth has an indifferent injury record. Just trust Holgate and get a simple message into him and build him up.

Derek Thomas
20 Posted 25/10/2019 at 01:45:10
Kase @ 15; Fair point, I know Holgate has some experience, but in Gibson's case everybody's got to start somewhere and away at Brighton isn't your actual 'Daniel in the firey furnace' as far as debuts goes.

Managers mostly go...unless they have no option and are forced to...with what and who they know. Rumsfeld's 'known knowns' Vs 'known unknowns'. So much so, that some will pick a player totally out of position, to play just because they 'trust' him - Moyes, Hibbert, back 4, Vs City.

In my opinion, Silva is much more likely to go with Holgage than Gibson...even though its a risk, both are, up to a point risks. Having Gibson next to Keane might, in the short term, make the latter concentrate better, give him some responsability.

If it was up to me Gibson would be in - you learn by doing. I remember Labone telling Kenyon where to stand for corners, just as, a dozen or so years previously, he was no doubt being told by T.E. Jones...and so it goes.

Mike Gaynes
21 Posted 25/10/2019 at 02:02:06
Not sure where all the Gibson speculation is coming from -- Silva wouldn't have mentioned Mason if he wasn't the next man up.

Alexander #10, interesting speculation -- so some of our new boys might have missed time due to tongue injuries?

Jack Convery
22 Posted 25/10/2019 at 04:08:00
If Keane was a leader Holgate would be ok but Keane can only concentrate on his own game. Not sure Holgate on his left will suit either of them. I hope I'm wrong as Brighton at their, place is a hard nut to crack, unless you are in the top 2. COYBs another win for us long suffering fans especially those poor souls who follow you away every fortnight - you definitley owe them a performance on an away ground.
Paul Curwen
23 Posted 25/10/2019 at 06:41:26
Looking forward to a good atmosphere at the Amex...Hopefully we can kick on and build from our last outing. Looks like the weather is going to be wet and windy lets hope the game doesn't turn out to be a 'damp squib'
Darren Hind
24 Posted 25/10/2019 at 06:57:47
When I read some of the comments on Mason Holgate I shake my head in disbelief.. . HELLO!!!!!

Our central defence has been a complete shambles all season. we have conceded more than any other club anywhere from corners and free kicks.
Tomorrows opponents (many peoples favorites to go down) have conceded less.
The much ridiculed Man U defence has conceded less.
Sheffield United have conceded SIX goals less.

You guys are worried about Holgate ????. . How the fuck do you think he feels ? He's being asked to step into this car crash and he will do so in the certain knowledge that the "Experts" who seem oblivious to what has gone on all season, will be ready to jump on his first misplaced pass.

Holgate turns 23 this week. That means the few chances he has had were given to him at an most center halves are not even considered.

It's a monumental ask to expect a young center half to step in for his first EPL game in nearly a year especially given the wretched record of the regulars. . but you know what ? I trust him far more than I trust the judgement of these beauts who are so readily writing him off.

What sort of a club are we ? five games EPL games at center half since he was barely twenty. . and instead of roaring him on with encouragement. The lighthouse loving avit merchants cant wait to write him off

Darren Hind
25 Posted 25/10/2019 at 07:13:42
Mark 6

You need to stop speaking for everyone else mate.

Tom Davies being a massive upgrade on Scheiderlin may have surprised you. . but be assured, it didnt surprise "us".

This incredibly naive, but wide spread, belief, that expensive foreigners, with exotic sounding names are always a the better option to a youngster who came through the ranks but cost nothing, drives me nuts.

Expensive flops used to be seen as a negative.

Tony Hill
26 Posted 25/10/2019 at 07:32:06
Holgate, if required, will be fine. He needs to develop his concentration but he is potentially a fine defender with a proper nasty streak.

This is another important game because we must correct our away form. As far as I am concerned, though, there is no going back after last Saturday.

We must keep playing in that style and with that commitment. If we do, we will, as a minimum, be one of the most entertaining sides in the League

Sam Hoare
27 Posted 25/10/2019 at 08:01:40
Brighton are better than their position suggests. They have been unlucky with red cards and being profligate. I expect them to finish nearer mid-table and beat some good teams on their way. I like Potter as a possible future Everton manager if he does a good job there.

It will be interesting watching one of the best pressing teams (us) against one of the most press-resisting teams (them).

Tony Abrahams
28 Posted 25/10/2019 at 08:06:35
If Mina is fit, I'd play Holgate alongside him.
Fran Mitchell
29 Posted 25/10/2019 at 08:13:15
This game Gould but we considered as equally 'must-win' as the previous one.

Silva needs to show he has learned, that he has improved and that he is the man to take us forward.

Our away form is miserable and should be considered as one of the major flaws of Silva's Everton. Beating West Ham at home? Even under Smith those 3 points were pretty much a given.

So another 3 points, Davies and Iwobi keeping their places for sure. Although despite a decent performance, I'd take out Walcott and put Kean on the right (swapping with Rich). Holgate in the centre with Gibson or Feeney on the bench (none of this defensive midfielder as back up centre back malarkey)

Jim Harrison
30 Posted 25/10/2019 at 08:24:11
Maybe unwise to say this, given the comments in support of Davies starting

I would love to see more of Delph and Gomes together. Especially if we have to play Holgate who hasn't had much match practice in a while. Maybe this game isn't the one, allow Delph a bit longer to recover, but I reckon they are a strong combination

Jim Harrison
31 Posted 25/10/2019 at 08:24:12
Maybe unwise to say this, given the comments in support of Davies starting

I would love to see more of Delph and Gomes together. Especially if we have to play Holgate who hasn't had much match practice in a while. Maybe this game isn't the one, allow Delph a bit longer to recover, but I reckon they are a strong combination

Steve Croston
32 Posted 25/10/2019 at 08:28:34
Exactly the same team as last time for me bar any enforced changes through injury. They were all excellent last week. If he puts Schneiderlin back in, I'll drive to Brighton and chin Silva. A really tough place to go though Brighton, they beat the spuds 3-0 last time out, so I'd be happy with a scrappy 1-0 win. Baby steps folks...
Martin Berry
33 Posted 25/10/2019 at 08:40:48
Holgate will be fine he is a good footballer who just needs more battle hardened experience.
What concerns me more is if Marco will have the "calmness" to pick the same starting eleven that did so well against W Ham ? bar injuries, if not what message does that give out ?
Trevor Peers
34 Posted 25/10/2019 at 09:13:37
Two wins in the next two games could have us believing Silva is back on track, the pressure would be off him, for the time being, as far as the fans are concerned.

This game will present a completely different set of challenges to the West Ham game. A hostile crowd and a team ready to scrap for everything is exactly the kind of test Silva should be releshing, the loss of Mina won't help, but his job will be to motivate the squad to go out and attack as we did in the last game, it will be fascinating to see if there really has been a serious revival.

Silva should be full of confidence, he has the full backing of the owner with little pressure being applied by Moshiri who seems to be completely behind Marco and is willing to give him a lot more time than most of us fans would ever dream of.

Derek Taylor
35 Posted 25/10/2019 at 09:39:53
Given their form this season it seems a big ask to expect last Saturday's team to carry their good form into a second game so soon after. With this lot, it's more like a big hope ! And Silva will tinker anyway !
Tony Waring
36 Posted 25/10/2019 at 09:42:59
Yes let's hope he keeps last week's team minus Yerry if injured. On a slightlh different tack I see reports of Jack Rodwell miht be going to Roma. Also he is only 28 years old seems like a lifetime since he was at Goodison. Let's hope he kicks on.
Rob Dolby
37 Posted 25/10/2019 at 09:47:42
If Silva picks the same team tomorrow as last week we know before a ball is kicked that we are going there to attack.

Tom Davies has his flaws like every player but what he does better than all of our other midfielders is that he moves the play forward. It's so obvious when he plays compared to the sideways and backwards from the others.

If Delph or Schneiderlan are included we will naturally sit deeper as a team.

This game is between the 2 managers. On paper we have better players in most departments. With the right attitude and tactics we should be hopeful of a win though we all know the game isn't played on paper and that the manager has a tendancy to self destruct when we concede set pieces around the box.

Darren @24 I actually think the defence as a unit in open play have been good this year. The defensive coaching at corners and free kicks is embarrassing. At this level players do what they are told the don't follow instinct.

Dave Williams
39 Posted 25/10/2019 at 09:57:23
I see no problem with Holgate though I'm with Tony Abraham's in that I'd prefer to see him partner Mina. Mason should be ready to stake his claim, older and physically more mature he is a decent footballing CB and the fans need to encourage him. I hope we see Feeney or Gibson on the bench as these young players need to develop or we risk losing them to the benefit of other clubs. Darren is right- we should bring these lads through rather than waste money on exotic names who have no desire or passion for our club.
Mick Conalty
40 Posted 25/10/2019 at 10:10:12
This is another must win game for Silva, otherwise last week's performance counts for nothing. It would mean one step forward two step back as usual.
Brian Harrison
41 Posted 25/10/2019 at 10:13:42
I always thought that this game would define our season far more than the home game against West Ham. Generally our home form has been good but our away form has been our Achilles heel, but not just this season but for quite a few seasons. So I hope that the team is exactly the same as last week, and if Mina isn't fit then I see no problem with bringing in Mason Holgate. But surely the real question to be asked of this group is can you play away as you did at home last week. With the same passion and belief or is this a team who can only perform that way with the backing of 40,000 Evertonians.

Certainly this game will answer a lot of these questions, as I fear if we lose tomorrow and other results go against us then our next home game becomes yet another must win game.

Alan J Thompson
42 Posted 25/10/2019 at 10:41:47
The only problem I have if Holgate has to replace Mina is my lack of faith in Silva and that he will probably include Schneiderlin to sit in front or possibly Davies playing deeper rather than taking the game to the opposition.
Eddie Dunn
43 Posted 25/10/2019 at 10:48:52
Darren #25, I agree about the attraction some people have for foreign exotic sounding players as opposed to lads from our lower leagues or coming through the ranks. Surely the same can be said for coaches. Look at the Arsenal with their much admired coach, hardly ripping-up trees. Then at Sheffied Utd Chris Wilder is punching above his weight. Guys like him just might be capable of doing better than certain fancy foreign managers. We should all keep an open mind and look out for up and coming coaches from the UK.
Brian Harrison
44 Posted 25/10/2019 at 11:05:32
Eddie 43

I would respectfully suggest that thats all this club has ever done is look at up and coming managers. This club is littered with such appointments even going back to Catterick whose Sheffield Wednesday side were runners up in the league. To Mike Walker who had 1 very good season with Norwich, Howard Kendall was doing well with Blackburn. Gordon Lee did well with Nottingham forest. But despits having Moores millions despite having the chances we didnt get one of the stella managers that were about. So no Clough, Robson or Revie who had all won trophies instead we went for managers who had won nothing, but might come good in a club with money.

John G Davies
45 Posted 25/10/2019 at 11:07:11
The Holgate conundrum again.

At this moment in time, regardless of his age, experience and potential, the lad can't defend.
He may well go on to be a top centre half, who knows.
The issue is the here and now.

Steve Brown
46 Posted 25/10/2019 at 11:31:39
Steve Brown
47 Posted 25/10/2019 at 11:31:39
No problem with Holgate. He is a good player with great long-term potential. A better defender than Stones and also confident bringing the ball out of defence. He is battle-hardened after a season in the championship, with West Brom. The physicality of the premier league is not an issue. He is comfortable on the ball, his positional play is usually sound so it is mainly his concentration, composure and decision making he needs to build on. But that is true of every young player who ever played the game.

Keane and Mina together prevents us from playing a high line, which we did with Zouma. I prefer Mina to Keane simply because he is better on the ball; it would be interesting to see him given a chance to partner Holgate for a run of games when he returns to fitness. That would of course require Silva to pick him. His reluctance to pick the young players when the seasoned pros have been poor has been one of the many reasons why he is in trouble still.

Steavey Buckley
48 Posted 25/10/2019 at 11:33:21
Playing Coleman instead of Sidibe would be a mistake because he is the future while Coleman was best in the past. Sidibe last week brought greater strength and stability to RB.
Dave Evans
49 Posted 25/10/2019 at 11:57:21
Davies deserves his place tomorrow but it isn't a choice between attack minded Davies versus defensive Delph.
In the right set up, either player[or both} can give us the impetus we need.
Stan Schofield
51 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:05:30
Darren@24: Spot on. It's beyond belief how much stick an individual like Holgate can get even though he's played so few games and our defence has been crap.

Also beyond belief is the old chestnuts we see on ToffeeWeb: He wouldn't get into a top 6 side. Only one or two would get into a top 6 side. I'll just give my opinion on the question of how many of our first team would get into a top 6 side: Probably all of them.

Folks seem to miss the idea of a player gelling or not gelling into a system, and the fact that the top 6 sides habitually sign good but not top players and make them look better, and sometimes top, players by fitting into a well-functioning system.

Jim Harrison
52 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:11:31
Steavey 48

I wouldn't disagree with keeping him in, but I thought he was caught forwards too often.

Coleman will be so frustrated. Keep him on the bench for one more week then watch him fly in the cup!!

James Stewart
53 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:15:06
@48 Agreed. Don't want to see Coleman brought back in. Sidibe deserves to keep his place.
Mark Guglielmo
54 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:20:26
Darren @26

I didn't speak for everyone else, "mate."

Though I do truly appreciate you then moving on to declaring somehow that I prefer high-priced foreigners or whatever shit it was you wrote. So you can get inside my head and know what I'm thinking? Impressive trick, that! Guess what I'm thinking right this very second then.

Lastly, if you think that Davies performance was anything BUT a surprise then you must have a very limited exposure to most Everton fan sites, blogs, YouTube channels, and the like.

I didn't say he couldn't have that kind of performance, I said it was a surprise. Maybe switch to decaf and find your reading glasses. Davies had his best game in terms of not turning the ball over, at taking the ball away, and pass completion percentage. THE BEST. And I loved it! A "pleasant surprise" if you will.

Go rant at someone else, I'm the wrong tree for your little barking noises.

Ray Roche
55 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:29:38
Stan @51

I'm fed up with the “top six” crap as well. Who are the top six now? Does it include United? If so, most of our side would get a game. Only City and the RS are immune to some of our boys staking a claim.

Annika Herbert
56 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:33:22
Kase@15 and you base this opinion on how many games? Because I don't recall seeing Holgate play too often over the last few seasons. At least not for Everton.
Of course everyone is entitled to his, or her, opinion but I prefer to make judgement over more than a handful of games.
Christy Ring
57 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:36:18
If Mina doesn't make it tomorrow, I have every faith in Holgate, he's quick, mobile, and deserves a chance, probably should have had more game time. If Delph is fit, the bench is the furthest he should get, how can you drop Davies after his performance, and he's more attack minded. Let's be honest, we all know he should have got his chance before now, Silva played him against the hammers, because Delph/Schneiderlin were injured, he was a breath of fresh air beside Gomes, and Marco has to see how the midfield excelled,and drove us forward.
Mark Guglielmo
58 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:38:03
Alan @42

My fear exactly. That because Mina may be out, Silva reverts to his tendency to be safe, and we get Schneiderlin as a result. My personal preference as I've stated consistently, is that I want the exact same team, minus Mina if he can't go of course.

What I'd then like to see is something Silva hasn't shown us yet; having a plan B or an ability to make proactive adjustments if and only if gameplay dictates. Let these guys start and if it doesn't work, then bring in a replacement or 2.

Mark McDonald
59 Posted 25/10/2019 at 12:53:29
I too cannot stand all this media cliche shit of Top 4, Top 6, Best of the Rest etc. Its just lazy newspaper, radio, tv journalist talk.

I always want to see us finish as high up the table as possible but that is not always possible as long as we always play good attacking football the results will hopefully come.

Give Silva the time to build his team. Look at how many years we gave Moyes even though he won nothing we remained in the Top League even if our final position fluctulated over the seasons.

Got to be patient. It has only been 9 games.

Martin Nicholls
60 Posted 25/10/2019 at 13:05:23
Brian#44 - Gordon Lee came from Newcastle, not Forest.
It is wrong to infer that we didn't go for Revie or Robson - we actually went for both. Revie reneged on an agreement he had with us and we messed up the Robson move by announcing details prior to him being given the opportunity to inform the Cobbold family (his employers at Ipswich).
Rob Dolby
61 Posted 25/10/2019 at 13:45:21
Brian 44. You make a good point about us not making top managerial appointments.

Proven winners more or less guarantee a certain level of success.

I do think that if Moshiri was deadly serious about us challenging in the same way the the City owners are then he would have tried to appoint a marquee manager.

Money talks and always has. Go and get the best manager and pay top wages and surprise surprise we will start climbing the table and contending for trophies. Banking on potential in coaches and players will only get you so far.

Mark Guglielmo
62 Posted 25/10/2019 at 13:51:22
Rob, a bunch of us covered this in depth in the Digne article.

I'll pose this Q here as well. Why would a top-flight manager with proven success, CL pedigree, etc. come to Everton?

Rob Dolby
63 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:19:22
Mark 62. One word answer Money.

City picked Hughes to put a prem foundation in place paying well over the odds for players like Rodwell and Lescott. Mancini came in as the proven winner. It's not rocket science.

Why did Guardiola end up at city or Mourinho at Chelsea or Utd.
LVG, Conte, Ancelotti,Mancini, Benitez, Emery all came over for a massive pay day and chance to compete.

If Moshiri is serious about owning a club that competes he has to dig a lot deeper into his pockets otherwise it looks like we are more of an investment than status symbol to him.

We have arguably the best league in the world with the best players. Any top manager would want to test himself given the right platform.

Jay Harris
64 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:23:17
We cant sugarcoat it. Mina if not fit will be a huge loss. Personally I worry about the Keane-Holgate partnership that was such a disaster a couple of seasons ago when the only partner that worked OK with Holgate was Ashley Williams..

They both lose concentration and that is a mental thing not something you can coach technically. They are both rightsided players too which I feel will leave Digne a bit exposed.

Lets hope the team can lift their performance again and compensate for it.

David Pearl
66 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:29:38
As long as Gomes keeps his place l don't mind who partners him, Davies, Delph or Schneiderlin. Also Walcott with Sidibe and Iwobi dropping deeper all added to a more fluid shape. Both Bernard and Walcott found space coming inside as well as out possibly due to Iwobi covering more ground from deeper. Siggy on form could also do this job. Sky pundits either have Brighton to win or the draw. I think we should win this. Do they know best or are we all deluded?
Mark Guglielmo
67 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:32:55
Sorry Rob, but it's isn't about money, or rather, not all about money.

So you're suggesting a manager who regularly competes, and likely gets into, a European spot will want to come here to...do what exactly? Take another 2-3 years to do what we all want?

I'll reiterate what I mentioned in another thread; every great manager is built, not born. The example I used was Kloppe. Dortmund took a chance on an unproven commodity, only 2 seasons removed from him getting Mainz relegated. He became a very good manager there, and well, we all know where he is now.

Everton cannot compete with the bigger clubs. Not for players, not for managers. When thinking of those teams, they all have money and aspiration. The climb from good-to-great is much easier on the Continent than it is in the EPL. Frustrating? Absolutely. Fact? Also absolutely.

I think it was Steve F who also correctly pointed out that even if we could attract such a manager, how much more of Moshiri's money would it take to further build out the squad? He doesn't have a bottomless pit of money to spend on his investment, doubly so when you consider the plans for the new stadium.

Like it or not, we are a club that needs to find a Kloppe circa 2008, a diamond-in-the-rough if you will. The fact that it seems as though we have failed to do so doesn't mean we have to stop trying.

All that aside, which manager or managers do you believe would come here and win within 2 years?

Mark Guglielmo
68 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:40:40
Darren, I do speak only for myself, and tend to layer in a variety of other sources, which is where the 'we' or 'us' comes from. Just because you don't doesn't mean those opinions don't exist. Certainly not less than fans in a pub or in the grounds, where opinions are based on a far more sheltered, head in the sand position. Do their AOL connections still work you think?

What does the duration of time I've been posting here have to do with anything?

Lastly, I've been clamoring for Davies to be in the squad over Morgan since matchday 1. Like some of your brethren here, you seem to have mastered the straw man argument. I'll break it into simple words for you: me saying Davies was a pleasant surprise does not mean I think Morgan should play over him. That sounds like a 3-pints deep argument, when perhaps your faculties aren't the sharpest.

Now, do you get that?

Andrew James
69 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:42:37
I think we've tried everything we can on the coach recruitment front. We tried succession-boot room with Colin Harvey. We brought in the best in Scotland at the time with Smith. We've gone with the latest bright next thing with Mike Walker and Roberto Martinez.

Moyes was us going down the leagues for a young coach. Koeman was us trying to go with what we thought was an elite manager with experience in overseas leagues and a winner.

Silva I suppose is a combination. He is regarded in some quarters as a future star (like Roberto and Moyes once were) but is also a winner abroad (like Koeman and Smith).

It is a bizarre trend that our trophy winning coaches in the last 50 or 60 years were all former players...

Mark Guglielmo
70 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:42:45
David @66 usually it's good news when the Sky pundits pay Everton no mind. It's no different over here. I've replaced "top 6" or "big 6" with "Sky 6," which seems more accurate.
Rob Dolby
71 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:48:42
Mark 67. I will have to disagree.
The prem is all about money and has been from its inception by design.

Hypothetically if we unearthed the best new manager who came to manage our squad full of internationals we could compete with the addition of more firepower.

Realistically to compete in the prem you have to spend more than anyone else on quality in playing staff and coaching. Only Leicester have bucked that trend and probably only Leicester and Notts Forest have done it in my lifetime.

Tony Hill
72 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:50:03
The most important selection tomorrow is at right back. Sticking with Sidibe will show that Silva has nerve and will not be held back by considerations of seniority and past service. Choosing Coleman will show, I am afraid, the opposite.
Dermot Byrne
73 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:53:47
Ha! Who speaks for who?

I can say that Holgate is good and capable, Davies too. The manager I am still out on. My view as just a fan.

But I also suggest the sun may come up tomorrow but suspect Darren, the troll without Twitter, may disagree.

Cue..."the sun did not on Feb 29 1932 as I pointed out and you ignored on 6 Oct 2017"!

Sport? Comararderie? Mutual respect?

For 99% of us yeah...the 99% I speak for..
you consistently think skinned and aggressive troll.

Barred? Soon!

Dermot Byrne
74 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:55:09
Or even "thin"!
Darren Hind
75 Posted 25/10/2019 at 14:56:17
What a half witted response.

You've been pulled for being high on ill informed opinion and low on knowledge and you counter it with a dazzlingly intelligent response where you label matchgoers as people with their heads in the sand.

Guess what - Looks over both shoulders to ensure nobody else hears. . . The match goers have internet too. . PC's, Lap tops, Phones . . everything. I even saw one fella on Youtube

I mastered the straw man argument when you were in short kecks lad. You havent quite grasped the meaning of the term yet.

Claiming you were calling for Davies to play, then claiming you were "surprised" when he played well, sounds more like the ramblings of a bleedin idiot than the opinion of knowledgeable, socially interactive, skilled debater.

See ya


Mark Guglielmo
76 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:01:59
Rob @71 that's fair, the EPL is definitely about money, but honestly so are at least the top 5-6 in all the other top flights as well, and they have the added bonus of a shorter timeline to success, just because top-to-bottom those leagues aren't as strong 1-20.

So who might you be thinking of? Ideally someone who wouldn't completely change our current style and/or players? That alone would set us back years again.

Brent Stephens
77 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:05:13
I'd like to see Sidibe getting an extended run but I don't see Silva ditching Coleman any time soon. Davies I also want to see given an extended run and I think Silva might well keep faith in him. Let's hope Holgate can step up to the plate given the likely loss of Mina.

Mark #68 you bring an interesting colour to ToffeeWeb!
"a 3-pints deep argument"!

What happened to #65?

Darren Hind
78 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:07:50
Have another port n Lemon Dermot, you'll still be as dull as dish water, but I'm sure you will feel a lot less hypocritical.
Mark Guglielmo
80 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:14:26
Dermot @73, my post to Darren was my first hackles-raised response, and that was a reaction to said person being aggressive and thin-skinned toward me. Who knew a 2-letter word like "us" would cause so much grief? Seems rather sensitive, no?

Otherwise, when talking EFC with rational supporters who don't overuse the exclamation key, I've gotten to have a great many intelligent, polite discussions. Ban me? You're well within your right to flag my posts but be sure to point out what rules or guidelines I've broken.

Re: Davies, again I'll reiterate that just because one utterly dismisses sources other than TW or the pub, doesn't mean those thoughts carry any less weight than yours (or anyone's for that matter). It's called variety. Davies surprised ME, despite my wanting him to play from the get-go, half in part because I don't rate Morgan at all. It is also worth at least acknowledging that he did have his best game, ever for him.

Apologies if I've been thin-skinned. It's been an abysmal month for me trying to land a job, and my stress level is through the roof.

Cheers

John Pierce
81 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:18:49
I would back a proven winner, even one past their best to make an immediate impact. A post suggested we have tried every flavor of managerial appointment bar going for the top top rated guys.
I'd agree it would take a fee approaching that of buying a player but the appointment is that integral to success I wouldn't baulk at it.
The rub is we sit with a DoF incumbent who looks like he'd never go that route. It seems he prefers the up and coming guys and as such may be able to assert more control over them. Could Brands handle the top drawer managers? Not sure.

Perhaps it's worth thinking about if push came to shove that an top manager could make an impact (without needing their hand held) and Brands could focus on getting the rest of the footballing operation up to speed? I think the academy and u23 need reshaping to ensure players are more easily integrated into first team life; same systems etc.

Marco is still very much deep in it for me. He has to string together a very good run of results without consecutive defeats which often under him habitually snowball out of control.


Brent Stephens
82 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:20:38
Looks as if Jack Rodwell could sign for Roma! What a journey he's been on.

Mark #80 I'm not sure it's you that Dermot is having a pop at.

Brian Harrison
83 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:24:36
Martin

Sorry yes Lee came from Newcastle not Forest. I know we made attempts to get Revie and Robson but my point was we didnt get them. The man we should have got was Clough but Moores wasnt brave enough. But I still stand by my original comment this club never has appointed the best that money could buy.

Mark Guglielmo
84 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:24:54
Sorry Brent, despite speaking the same language, I do still sometimes struggle with translating to my English lol

Dermot, if I did misinterpret who you were speaking to, my apologies again. Mea culpa.

Ray Smith
85 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:28:06
Darren 75

I was about to post a similar comment to yours.

I take it your comment ‘dazzlingly intelligent', was tongue in cheek.

Mark (various) stop ‘nitpicking'.

Mark Guglielmo
88 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:33:42
Thanks, Dermot, it's appreciated. Nothing like a job search to demoralize oneself further into the abyss.

On the bright side, and getting back on topic, perhaps there will be a managerial spot opening up soon and I could apply there! I'd cost a lot less, that's for certain!

COYB

Paul Tran
89 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:46:51
Hope you didn't have your hard-earned on GT, Darren. I was pleased with that; ran well, jumped well and as Nicholls said, he looked like he needed the run at the end. Al Dancer looks a very good chaser, though I'd note that Twiston-Davies always has his horses ready early.

Onwards and upwards!

Neil Wood
90 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:49:13

Holgate will do just fine for me... One of the most technically gifted defenders for me and I would like to see him given a run (With Mina preferably)

Darren Hind
92 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:51:50
crawled over the second last Paul. Lost a little momentum. That put paid to any chance.
He'd have gone down anyway, but would have finished closer.

Watching brief for me. I was still very impressed. You'll have a lot of fun with this fella this season.

As you say. The winner looks very smart

Paul Tran
93 Posted 25/10/2019 at 15:56:22
Yes, Darren. I suspect our lad will end up over a longer trip. Al Dancer looked a proper two-miler there.

By the way, if people want 'savage', they may want to check out some of our exchanges over Martinez back in the day. Though I suspect neither of us lost any sleep over them.

Tony Abrahams
94 Posted 25/10/2019 at 16:22:05
That's because youse don't put anyone to sleep Paul!
Mike Gaynes
95 Posted 25/10/2019 at 16:22:22
PT, those were the good old days!
Paul Tran
96 Posted 25/10/2019 at 16:47:00
They certainly were, Mike. 5th in the league, most goals and points for ages, And we still had plenty to argue about. Martinez being a pundit in the World Cup was my favourite topic.
Steve Ferns
97 Posted 25/10/2019 at 17:46:52
What a bizarre turn this thread took!

Holgate will do just fine. Brighton aren't Burnley. He may even be better for us as he's quicker than Mina or Keane.

Lewis Gibson - How many of you shouting for him have seen him? And for how ever many minutes? I've seen a bit of him and he's done well, but he's far from ready. I'd be scared for the lad if he started tomorrow.

Brighton - completely different team to last season. But let's face facts, they will be in the bottom 6. They're exactly the kind of side I would pick for us to play away from home. Villa or Sheff Utd are too physical and play men behind the ball and we struggle with that. Brighton play football and should go toe to toe with us and that's what silva wants. Bournemouth are the same and they beat us, so it's no guarantee, but if I had to pick an away game for us to play next and we had to win, it's Brighton away as my first choice.

Season back on track - if we win against Brighton, reversing last seasons win, then we are one point up on the corresponding fixtures from last season. So, we can build from there and if we then beat Watford on Tuesday then we should be full of confidence for the Spurs game. Hopefully it is still the right time to play them.

Past managers who won trophies before getting the Everton job - Walter Smith won something like 6 SPL's, Bobby Martinez won the Cup, Koeman won 3 or 4 Dutch Leagues, Silva won the Greek League, the Portuguese Cup and the Supercup. I note most people's opinions on that lot. But let's just use Waldo's words and say ALL have been “disappointing”.

Our away form - it's the same under silva as it has been for a long time. That is poor for sure. But it's been going on a long side. We're a home team and have been since I was a kid.

Silva is meant to be best as an away manager. His famous results before Everton all came in away games. This is because of his fast counter attacking teams. You might not think you've seen enough of it, and I wouldn't disagree at all. But I hope Silva can start to show it starting on Saturday. I thought we pressed brilliantly against bournemouth before losing our way. More of that but with better, quality passing and a tempo as high as last week is what we need. And yes, gotta keep the winning side.

Paul Tran
98 Posted 25/10/2019 at 17:56:36
For the umpteenth time Steve, I hope you're right. Martinez, Koeman and now Silva all
talk(ed) about fast, pressing football. All show(ed) it all too rarely. And that's their fault, as it's the manager's responsibility to do what they say they want to do and do it well.

I'm 55 years old and my experience tells me that if we're thinking of anything other than a win against the likes of Brighton, we should pack it all in.

Frank Crewe
99 Posted 25/10/2019 at 17:58:34
Football is supposed to be a meritocracy. We are constantly told if you want to get picked you have to take your opportunities. Well the players who came in last week all grabbed their chance with both hands. There is nothing to suggest that bringing back those players who for whatever reason didn't play last week would improve the side. This being the case I would hope that Silva will stick with the players and formation that served us so well last week. They all played well last week so it is only fair they start this week.
Denis Richardson
100 Posted 25/10/2019 at 18:11:48
Another gift of a game for Silva after West Ham. Brighton are one of the worst teams in the league with only one home win this season, all be it that against a slowly disintegrating spurs team. Not expecting a win as guaranteed but anything less than a draw will be a terrible result and a draw won't exactly be good.

I imagine Brighton will look to eek out a result so not expecting a classic. Result all that matters so hoping the team can bring back some point(s) to GP.

Just hope the team is set up the same as last weekend and we don't revert to type.

MARCO - DON"T CHANGE A WINNING TEAM.

Steve Ferns
101 Posted 25/10/2019 at 18:13:16
Paul, I would hope that we are thinking of a win against every side we play, home or away. Otherwise, we should pack it in. I don't mind playing cagey and trying to nick a win, as long as we actually try. This was my big problem with Moyes, that really he tried to nick a draw against the best sides.
Paul Tran
102 Posted 25/10/2019 at 18:18:56
Agreed Steve. When push came to shove, Moyes thought he was managing the Everton he joined, rather than the Everton he'd built. Ultimately that what eventually held us back under him.
Rob Halligan
103 Posted 25/10/2019 at 18:35:34
Steve, Paul, I'm going down to Brighton in the morning fully expecting us to win. I never expect anything less although we don't always get what we want. A comfortable 3-0 win with Richarlison, Iwobi and Moise Kean with his first goal for the club.
Mark Guglielmo
104 Posted 25/10/2019 at 18:43:10
Is anyone else worried at the possibility that BHA score first? I shudder to think.

If that terrible scenario unfolds, one can only hope that some of our youth will fight harder, rather than hang their heads and disappear.

Rob, above. I want Kean to open his account so badly. Nothing would be better than a jolt of energy after he comes on as a sub, to win the game of course.

David Pearl
105 Posted 25/10/2019 at 18:48:51
Mark

As ever we need to score first and hopefully early. Not very good to spend so much money and not be strong favourites for this.

Last week was the turning point but backing it up is the real test, I'm looking ahead to Watford and wondering if Silva will play his strongest team or bring in the likes of Kean.

Mark Guglielmo
106 Posted 25/10/2019 at 18:56:47
On a positive note, David, for the first time in a long time I feel we actually can field 2 dangerous, or at worst, very capable sides. Hope my gut is right for a change! Agree with everything else you said.
Mike Gaynes
107 Posted 25/10/2019 at 18:58:03
Rob #103, it's gonna happen.
Paul Tran
108 Posted 25/10/2019 at 19:00:18
Mark, I hope Brighton score first and that we come back and win the game. The quicker it happens, the more belief we'll all have, fans and players.
That for me, would be a sign that Silva is really turning things around.
Mike Doyle
109 Posted 25/10/2019 at 19:03:28
Rob #103] hats off to you and the other blues making that journey. Hope for your sakes you get a performance your efforts deserve ( and if you decide to stay overnight Brighton has has few establishments not unlike the Grafton - or so I've been told).
Brian Williams
110 Posted 25/10/2019 at 19:11:11
Apologies for changing the subject but has anyone read Schneiderlin's comments on the BBC sport site.
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
How some people can be SO unaware!
In the end I laughed. Comedy gold I reckon.

His level of shitiness is all down to perception he reckons!

Derek Taylor
111 Posted 25/10/2019 at 19:19:24
This afternoon, my barber told me he fully expected to see Coleman and Delph restored to the side tomorrow
'because extra cover will be required for Holgate'.As he was 'doing me nose hairs' at the time, I said nothing but he can't have been right, can he ? Can he ?
Mark Guglielmo
112 Posted 25/10/2019 at 19:24:33
Paul @108 Oh I don't know, I'd probably hurl my breakfast all over the viewing room. It would certainly reflect a major hurdle we need to overcome, but I'd wager the price would be an uptick in heart attacks!

Derek @111 If someone had scissors up my nose, I'd say whatever he wanted me to say.

Martin Mason
113 Posted 25/10/2019 at 19:25:32
Please give Holgate a chance rather than pontificate on how he may play and pick Tom Davies before any of the other midfielders. I expect us to revert to pre-West Ham selection and form and disaster as Brighton are not a bad side.
Derek Knox
114 Posted 25/10/2019 at 19:48:46
Rob @ 103, full kudos to you mate, you are a loyal away supporter, and never miss a game, I also hope you are right with your optimistic and very welcome score prediction.

I can only hope this may be the case, BUT only if he pretty much plays with an unchanged side, unless Mina has to be replaced, make that the only change!

Brian @110, I will check that out, but not being a Schneiderlin aficionado, nothing would surprise me with him.

Derek @111, your barber isn't a Brighton supporter is he? :-)

Jay Harris
115 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:04:32
I would love us to go on a 'clean sheet" run like we did last season. A few 1-0 s would be most welcome and confidence building.
Derek Knox
116 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:10:37
Jay @ 115, basically the year Leicester surprised everyone and won the Prem, most of their wins and obviously 3 points, were exactly that, 1-0 or 0-1 scorelines. They all mount up at the end of the day, as Brucie used to say " points mean prizes ".
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

117 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:18:22
Steve @ 97. You really need to stop being so revisionist about our performances this season.

We did NOT "press brilliantly against bournemouth before losing our way" as you describe it.

We had a good opening five minutes and were then overran and out fought for the rest of the first half, being extremely fortunate to go in at half time on level terms thanks to DCL's excellent header.

We then had a good 20 minutes at the start of the second half, meekly conceded two goals and reverted to being rancid and ragged.

Bournemouth's 3-1 win remains their solitary home win this season, only one of TWO home wins in the entirety of 2019 (the other being v Spurs as they were distracted by the CL).

Yes, Everton has for too long been poor on the road. But it is part of Silva's remit to address.

Earlier this week I posted something similar to Paul Tran's thinking @ 108: in an ideal scenario I would welcome us going a goal down at Brighton as long as we got up to win.

We need to get those twin monkies off our backs: never winning in 22 PL games under Silva having conceded the first goal; winning away.

The longer we carry those burdens, the heavier they get.

Andy Crooks
118 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:36:56
If Jack Rodwell signs for Roma I will hunt through the garage for my boots and join him there.
Steve Ferns
119 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:40:37
Reading far too much into posts on social media alert.

Yerry Mina has just posted:

“All smiles heading into tomorrow's game.”

Does this mean he's fit and playing? As I said reading far too much into a social media post!

Btw the King Yerald name always makes me laugh, though we don't see much of that on TW.

Rob Halligan
120 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:41:22
Leicester are tearing Southampton apart. 4 -0 after 40 minutes.
Rob Halligan
121 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:45:06
Make that 5-0.
Mark Guglielmo
122 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:45:22
SPOILER ALERT Rob ;-) I'm watching too. Incidentally, there was an example of VAR working just as intended. Terribly dangerous tackle and deserved red IMO

The weather looks horrid, and Brighton isn't far away as much as I know about English geography. Will it be a soggy bog tomorrow, and to what extend will that neutralize our pace & passing?

Derek Knox
123 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:45:32
Thanks Jay for pointing out that our own Steve Ferns has been caught flagrantly 'scuttlebutting' and 'calumniating.
Why it was only the other day I was accused of 'fact distortion' by the aforementioned, when I posted that we have lost more games under Silva than we had won.

While it certainly felt like that, it appears his margin between wins v losses is about a silk's thread of difference in favour of the wins.

I have always advocated that I want Everton to win, preferably accompanied with a decent display, and I can reluctantly accept a loss IF, we have genuinely been outplayed by a better side on the day, OR, we have been on the receiving end of poor decisions and disallowed goals. NOT by a meek and paltry display by players who look like they've never played together before.

Bill Gienapp
124 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:46:37
I generally try to avoid hyperbole, but I really do think this match could define our season. If Silva has the courage to stick with last week's lineup and we put in another incisive performance and get a much-needed road win against a perfectly beatable Brighton side, it will calm nerves, generate some momentum, put us back in the thick of the table and give us a real platform to build on. If we revert to type and put in another drab, uninspired shift, well... I don't think we'll end up in a relegation scrap or anything, but it'll be hard to imagine the season amounting to much.
Derek Knox
125 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:51:03
Rob, watching it too, think Hassenhuttl will be nominated to be 'Saints Santa' before too long, ie; they will give him the sack!
Rob Halligan
126 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:51:10
Further than you probably think, Mark. Southampton to Brighton is around 55-60 miles apart.
Steve Ferns
127 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:52:29
Jay, it's a fact that we've won more tackles in the opposition third than any other side in the PL under Silva.

If you disagree about how we pressed against Bournemouth, then that's your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. We pressed brilliantly.

Derek you were factually inaccurate.

Mark Guglielmo
128 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:52:57
Oh that's not too bad then. The weather here (NYC suburbs) can change in only 10 miles. God bless the fans in Southampton sitting there in this weather.
Rob Halligan
129 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:53:01
Saints next home game is us. They will be missing Ryan Bertrand who received a straight red in the build up to the first goal.
Mark Guglielmo
130 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:54:34
Steve @119

The best "funny" name I've seen this year was Dominic Carabao-Lewin, that one killed me.

Steve Ferns
131 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:55:35
The lady next to me a couple of seasons ago used to used call him “Calvin”. Close enough eh?
Stan Schofield
132 Posted 25/10/2019 at 20:58:10
Ray@55. Man City and Liverpool could well use some of our first team players. Especially Liverpool, who have a few outstanding players but more 'good' players who are organised very well and thereby gel as a team. I believe we have quite a few who would easily displace Liverpool players, so long as they are organised well in a well-functioning system.

When a team is not gelling, it's players look far more ordinary than when the team gels well. We have very good players, some of whom would easily grace too sided, it's just that they need organising effectively.

Derek Knox
133 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:04:30
Mark @ 128, " God bless the fans in Southampton sitting there in this weather ".

Half of them of already left according to the commentary, but then again I could be 'factually inaccurate'. :-)

Ray Roche
134 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:05:28
Stan, good points. I've said before, it's down to the (lack of good) coaching. Leicester won the League with bang average players, but they played their hearts out in a system that suited their abilities. Round hole, 'ere, let's put a round peg in it. Simple game made to look difficult by over coaching.( Don't get me started on some gobshite coach having to explain to a semi literate footballer just what is on the sheet of paper that he's holding in front of him. Give me strength)
Rob Halligan
135 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:06:28
Derek, the stadium does look half empty now.
Ray Roche
136 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:06:47
Derek, at least half the fans have left. They were leaving after Leicester scored the second. Seems like Huttenhall or or whoever, isn't the Messiah after all. He's just a very rubbish coach.
Mark Guglielmo
137 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:10:26
Stan @132

Curious as to which players on Liverpool are only good, or I guess worse than ours? Or City.

Don't get me wrong, I have no good things to say about either team (especially since one of my best pals is a die-hard RS supporter), but I am legitimately curious as to your thoughts.

Peter Mills
138 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:11:44
Rob#103, have a great day and come back with 3 points.
Derek Knox
139 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:12:21
Rob @ 135, let's hope we see the Brighton Rock gang led by Pinkie, do the same tomorrow at the Am-Ex, after they have had enough humiliation after twenty minutes.

" Nurse my sedation needs topping up ". :-)

Paul Tran
140 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:15:33
The thing is, Ray & Stan, in the quest for meaningless, irrelevant statistics, for tactical & technical 'innovations', Leicester had the simple idea of hiring a coach who got the best out of his players through organisation & motivation. They then got it wrong twice, learned from it and recruited a good coach who does the simple things very well.

I'm a big fan of science, ideas and innovation. I use them in my work. They should be done as an add-on to organisation and motivation, rather than instead of them. Far too many coaches/managers try to be too clever and then sell the idea that they 'cant' get the players to understand their great master plans.

It's a fundamental part of the role that is far too often overlooked.

Rob Halligan
141 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:15:54
7-0. This is piss poor defending by Southampton.
Mark Guglielmo
142 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:17:22
Touchdown!
Ray Roche
143 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:18:26
Christ, it's an embarrassment.0-7
Ray Roche
144 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:19:50
Good post Paul
Mark Guglielmo
145 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:20:33
I think I read somewhere that Vardy is 2nd only to (Mane maybe) in goals scored during calendar year 2019. That guy never stops.
Ray Roche
146 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:23:33
I think we've had a couple of “7”'s and an 8 against the Saints in the past but at GP.
Steve Ferns
147 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:25:08
Paul, Rogers ain't a simple coach. Your perception of him doesn't tally with anything I've seen from the guy in that dreadful fly-on-the-wall documentary. I always thought his man-management seemed poor, that whole envelope thing for starters and he seemed a very sycophantic person.

But he's meant to be a good coach. He went to the Jose Mourinho finishing school at Chelsea and learnt the Portuguese's methods on analysing the opposition. If I recall correctly, he was in charge of that after AVB left, or maybe that was the other way round. He also coached the youth side. Nothing about his philosophy was old fashioned or simple. Not unless you're saying he has had a complete turnaround at Celtic and then Leicester. But his beliefs seemed too deep rooted for that.

Derek Knox
148 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:31:03
Come on Leicester this getting boring, you haven't scored for a few minutes!
Stan Schofield
149 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:34:08
Mark@137: Liverpool's defence is much improved because they signed VVD and Allison. Before that, they struggled defensively. Our fullbacks would easily replace theirs, and Mina could easily replace VVD's side-kick. Our midfield is superior to theirs, provided our organisation is good. Davies, Gomes and Sigurrdson would easily get into their side, Gomes being a class above any of their midfielders. In attack, Richarlison, Bernard, Iwobi, and (on form) Walcott could easily slot in. Firmino was quite ordinary until Klopp arrived, underlining the importance of effective organisation on getting the best out of players.
Daniel A Johnson
150 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:37:02
Amazing how Leicester get a good manager and they make massive strides.

Whereas after nearly a season and a half of Silva we've only gone backwards. But hey Steve Ferns and Digne think he's mustard so I'll sleep well tonight.

David Pearl
151 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:38:10
So what you're saying Stan is that we've been underperforming a little bit.
Mark Guglielmo
152 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:42:02
Stan @149

Thanks for answering and explaining in earnest. I will respectfully disagree with most, but I admire your devotedness to our guys!

Derek Knox
153 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:43:57
David, I think Stan is saying we have been underperforming a lot, under Silva!
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

154 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:44:30
Steve @ 127.

See Steve, when you come back with 'the fact' that we've won more tackles in the opposition third than any other side in the PL under Silva as some kind of - defence? proof of Silva's what, exactly? (I genuinely don't know if it proves anything) - to me it undermines your credibility.

The sum result this season of our superior tackling in the final 3rd that excites you so much (and of course, we don't know the context in which said tackles were made) is a failure to score in 5 of our 9 PL games. Indeed, DCL's goal at Bournemouth remains our solitary goal in four PL away games this season.

And to correct you. I didn't describe at all the manner in which we 'pressed' at
Bournemouth.

I - very accurately, I believe - recalled the 5 and 20 minute spells at the start of each half in which we held the upper hand.

I would certainly not describe it as you do, that we pressed 'brilliantly'. There really was nothing exceptional about those fleeting moments of ascendancy. Together, they amounted to less than a third of the game and did not result in a flurry of goal scoring opportunities.

As always Steve the issue is not about denying you your right to express your opinion and perceptions of how a game played out. It's how you present your views and always inflate, distort and sandbag them to present Silva in as favourable a light as possible.

We were largely rancid and insipid at Bournemouth and one of the enduring memories of the game was not of our league-high tackling in the final 3rd, but rather - as the manager himself stated post-match - the number of times we lost not just the 1st ball, but the 2nd, 3rd and 4th ball also. That was uttered by Silva himself.

The poor tackling was also the catalyst of Fabian Delph's memorable on-pitch "you're all friggin shite" meltdown even though he was as culpable as anyone.

Ray Roche
155 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:44:34
0-8
Fuck me!
Derek Knox
156 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:47:11
I wonder if Gunn will 'fired', as their goal-keeper!
Mark Guglielmo
157 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:51:27
Jay @154

Lucky for us that was 5 games ago and featured 5 starters who god willing will not be starting tomorrow.

Rob Halligan
158 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:51:47
9-0. Two hat tricks. If any manager, home of away concedes nine, then the sack is inevitable.
Brent Stephens
159 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:52:05
Vardy's a cheating bastard.
Derek Knox
160 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:53:19
They'll have to cut the match ball in two!
Jim Bennings
161 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:54:22
Sad thing about it is we should be the club that Leicester have been this last four years.

Leicester are currently everything that I wish Everton were, fast pacy incisive fluid football, players that don't fluff their lines in front of goal, a striker that scores bags of goals (who we should have bid every penny of the £75 million we got for Lukaku in 2017 for).

I say good luck to Leicester, they are a club that is moving forward, it's a forward thinking club that has recruited well and is owned by people that seem to understand football.

Brent Stephens
162 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:55:34
Sky referring to the nine away goals as a “top flight” record. So Sky have just discovered the world Before Sky. BS.
Mark Guglielmo
163 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:55:44
I too wondered that, Jim. Why didn't we make a serious play for Vardy then?!
Anthony Murphy
164 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:56:24
Evidence that a good manager can make all the difference.
Rob Halligan
165 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:56:31
Leicester coaches will have no problems getting away. There's only their fans left in the stadium.
Tony Hill
166 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:58:26
Rogers was a very good manager back at Swansea too. I'm not surprised at all that Leicester are doing so well. Let's have some confidence that we can match them. They will be 7 points ahead of us tomorrow, if we win, after 10 games. Not time, just yet, to write ourselves off.
Steve Ferns
167 Posted 25/10/2019 at 21:58:48
Jay, I believe that I can accurately recall the game and how often we got them to cough up the ball and how this is more than most sides this season and how we have done this consistently. Which is where the statistic comes in to re-enforce my belief.

You are entitled to your opinion. But on and on you will go because you do not accept my right to have an opinion. And no doubt there will be more lengthy posts as this is what you do time and again and quite frankly I've taken to skipping most of your posts as you have a never-ending need for conflict. Go argue with someone else.

Jim Bennings
168 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:01:49
Mark

I said at the time we sold Lukaku, I wasn't bothered about Vardy's age, too many folk are worried about sell on values when what we should have been thinking about is signing a prolific striker that probably in the last two years would have scored 45-50 goals in our shirt by now.

The summer of 2017 was a disgrace that will live long in the memory, the sentimental signing of Rooney influenced no doubt by our buffoon in the boardroom, the crazy signing of Klaassen for 㿅 million, 㿊 million on Pickford (when there were keepers to be had cheaper and equals to Pickford) 㿄 million on Michael Keane.

Every penny of what we got for Lukaku I'd have went straight to
Leicester and made them an offer they simply couldn't refuse and done everything to make sure Vardy wanted to join us, but that ship has sailed now and one of the reasons why we are were we are and Leicester are arguably going to be in the Champions League again very soon.

Stan Schofield
169 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:05:31
David@151: Exactly. We tend to squander talented players by not organising well.

Mark@152: It's not devotion, just analysis, and Everton pisses me off the way that good players have been squandered. Liverpool's strength is good organisation, always has been since Shankley. They get 'good' players and make them look better, whereas too often we've signed good players and made them look crap.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

170 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:09:57
Mark @ 157.

Is that an attempt by you tend to revive the claim you made on the Digne thread along the lines of dismissing any and every historical statistics as they are not relevant to the present?

You know, the same thread in which you also attempted your own revisionism of three losses this season which, you claimed, should have resulted in an extra 3 points to our tally.

I'm guessing you still haven't recognized both the hypocrisy and the fallacy of the two disparate claims, Mark.

Paul Birmingham
172 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:15:58
Fair play to Leicester, who have raised the bar, yet again and set what may be an unprecedented record in the EPL, for an away game, win?

So back to what counts and EFC, and the South Coast, and what should be a game we can win, if we show the same application, as last Saturday.

Thus lies the question.. I hope last week was no flash in the pan, and tomorrow we are in cruise mode, and win...

Yes win, is all we want, and play with style and win.

Mark Guglielmo
173 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:17:42
Seriously Jim. Didn't we sign like 5 #10s that summer? Good god. Everytime Vardy scores another tiny piece of my brain breaks. Soon enough I won't have anything left. And you're right about LC. They look pure class right now.

Stan, my hope is that we (or he) found a strong foundation to build upon and actually be allowed to gel with one another, since as you pointed out, it sure has been missing. I'd love to be able to say "the sum is greater than the whole of its parts" about our team and be confident that it's actually true.

Derek Knox
174 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:20:01
Stan, good analysis there, we seem to have the propensity of appointing a succession of Managers who possess the reverse Midas Touch, in which they can turn Gold into Shit with alarming proficiency.

As a mere mortal, I have only just about mastered the art of turning 'Wine into Water' but I don't boast about it either. :-)

Mark Guglielmo
175 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:21:24
Not at all Jay @170, just an observation that we are, indeed, lucky. That hopefully the poor form on display in the Bournemouth game won't be replicated. Are you always like this? Get a grip. I anxiously await your 11-paragraph reply.
Stan Schofield
176 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:25:59
I recall us beating Southampton 8-0 at Goodison in 1971. Around the same time, we beat Leicester 7-1 at Goodison. We need that level again. A measure of our decline is folks comparing us infavourably with Leicester (Leicester, ffs!).
Mark Guglielmo
177 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:28:59
I wasn't even born yet, Stan!
Kunal Desai
178 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:29:22
That is some midfield Leicester have put together - Maddison, Tielmans, Ndidi, Perez and Barnes.
The lad Barnes looks great. Did well at WBA last season and has carried those performances into this season with Leicester.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

179 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:29:44
Steve @ 167.

And equally I'm very accustomed to you being resentful towards reasonable, rational and civil posts that legitimately challenge your own views.

Deflecting 'blame' on the other poster and labelling them as some kind of provacateur for expressing an alternative view to your own again does you no credit Steve.

As for mocking my alleged verbiage Steve, I'm guessing there are no mirrors in your house.

Unlike your good self Steve, if the mood takes me, I will continue reading your posts and responding to them as I deem fit.

How YOU choose to ignore or engage in them doesn't make a ha'penth bit of difference to me.

Tom Bowers
180 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:32:59
Stan, # 176 actually I think the score against Southampton was 9-3 with Ball scoring 4 and Royle scoring 3 ( maybe the other way round).
Paul Tran
181 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:36:36
Steve, I'm not sure I called Rogers a 'simple' coach. I do think his work starts from what I would call a simple/fundamemtal basis of organisation and motivation. At Celtic and now, at Leicester, you know how his sides are going to play, the players play like they know what theyre meant to be doing. The difference in Celtic is stark since he left, as is the difference in Leicester since he arrived.

Does he know apps better, can be crunch/analyse the numbers better than the other coaches? Maybe he can. Does he explain things to his players clearly so they know what they're doing? I'd say the evidence says yes.

I have it on good authorities from one former club that he's 'a cocky bastard'. The same two people said they thought he was a very good coach, particularly with the players, and would go very far.

Silva may be from the same 'finishing school', Steve, but I'd argue the evidence in England is that he's a little bit behind some if his fellow pupils - at the moment.

Mike Doyle
182 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:37:53
Tom. Stan is right. It was 8-0. I was there. The following season they beat us 1-0 at Goodson.
Ray Roche
183 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:39:42
Tom, Everton 8-0 Southampton. Royle 4,Johnson 3 and Ball 1.

We also beat Leicester 7-1 with a certain Peter Shilton in goal on 30th November 1968. My Birthday. What a present!

Ray Roche
184 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:41:15
Tom, you might be thinking Of Everton 8-3 Cardiff when Cardiff were relegated.
Stan Schofield
185 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:42:50
The 8-0 win against Southampton, we had a new electronic score board at the Park End/Goodison Rd corner. The board listed the scorers: 7 9 7 9 8 9 9 7, in line with Ray@183.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

186 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:42:51
Mark @ 175.

Thanks for your concern, but I've got a very good grip on things, ta very much.

How about yourself? Are YOU always going to be 'like this'? Posting 24-7? Pronouncing THE definitive word on Everton, life, the universe and everything?

What joy!

Steve Ferns
187 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:44:15
Jay, your posts are not civil and you have ongoing conflicts with someone or other each week, if not more often than that. No doubt you'll be “challenging” someone after the Brighton game. Every week. It's getting old and very boring.
Mark Guglielmo
188 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:46:09
Sorry you've apparently never had to deal with strong opinions before, Jay. Are you keeping count of my posts now too? It's lovely living in your head rent-free but you're out of coffee.

I will now take the utmost pleasure in helping you feel joy!

Steve Ferns
189 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:46:42
Paul, the evidence shows he's far behind Rogers right now. About 8 points back, and growing. Silva's not from the same finishing school though, he's never worked with Mourinho. Thanks for the clarification.
Christy Ring
190 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:53:56
Tony Hill @72 If you think the most important selection tomorrow is Sidibe for Coleman, it's a sad day, I agree he should keep his place, but to pick out Coleman of all the players, I'm flabbergasted, why?
Kieran Kinsella
191 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:55:54
Andy Crooks 118

I'll see you there

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

192 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:57:28
Steve @ 187.

My posts to you at 117 and 154 were entirely civil.

What you evidently took exception to was that I offered perfectly rational alternative views to your own reading of the Bournemouth game and the 'supporting' statistics you offered.

Check the chronology and the tone of our respective posts for who truly gets petulant, personal and uncivil.

Clue: it ain't me,mister!

Brent Stephens
193 Posted 25/10/2019 at 22:58:00
Jay “186 “Are YOU always going to be 'like this'? Posting 24-7? Pronouncing THE definitive word on Everton, life, the universe and everything?”

Jay, you might want to just reflect on that statement.

Steve Ferns
194 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:01:07
Jay, it's you who is in conflict with someone else above and has constant arguments on here weekly, with a variety of posters. No doubt you'll be at it with someone else tomorrow. You should go look in your own mirror and realise the common denominator is yourself.
Kieran Kinsella
195 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:02:56
Jay as a “blue” is like the blue meanies from yellow submarine. Anyone got any apples?
Mark Guglielmo
196 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:05:12
Brent, was wondering if I was the only one who caught the irony in that. Hit the bullseye there.

Life, the universe, and everything. Sounds like a Douglas Adams novel!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

197 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:08:25
Ehrm...Mark @ 188.

Sorry ole son, but whilst you've posted a lot of words, you haven't offered any strong, least of all serious opinions, for me or anyone for that matter to 'deal with.'

And I'm certainly not keeping count of your posts. Not enough beads on my abacus.

David Pearl
198 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:08:25
Christy,

To be fair if he picks Walcott l would prefer he keeps Sidibe in too. I thought they really played well together. As did Davies and Gomes. And Iwobi made it all tick. What ld like to see is Gomes start quicker tomorrow. I know it was his first game back but he always seems to have to grow into games. He's got to keep the same team, injuries permitting and keep the momentum if we can. Didnt we beat Burnley last season 5-1 then lose our next game? Hope we turn up again.

Kieran Kinsella
199 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:11:08
I hope Davies just from the point of view of what being dropped might do his confidence after playing well last week
Mark Guglielmo
200 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:14:13
David, I think that Burnley wallop from last year was one of those cases of you're not always as bad as you look nor as good as you look scenarios. Didn't Digne score 2 set piece goals that day? I'm with you though, let's not have a comedown tomorrow!

Jay, have you skipped your Metamucil for the day, is that's what got you all in a bother?

Tom Bowers
201 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:14:41
You guys are so right. I stand corrected. Don't know where I got 9-3 from. The old grey matter ain't what it used to be.
Still, not much chance of this current offence getting a big score like that even against ten men.
David Pearl
202 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:21:17
Well Tom, we had 2 sitters missed and the woodwork a couple times too... they have it in them with a bit of composure.

Mark, yes Digne hit a couple sheedy like. I've got Walcott or Davies first score and 3/1... if it wins l'm going on holiday!

Mark Guglielmo
203 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:22:54
Agreed David, I don't know if it was just my nerves fooling my eyes or not, but they seemed pretty nervous too. A little bit of settling down and those goals go in more often than not. I hope you win your wager!
Tony Hill
204 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:23:51
Christy @190, because the selection of Coleman over Sidibe would be an act of weakness in a way which would not be so with any other selection.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

205 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:26:02
Ehrm (again!) Mark and Brent.

I'm not all over TW 24-7 like a rash.

I don't even post every day.

I sometimes initiate discussions. I sometimes respond to posts on themes that interest me.

My posts are frequently sprinkled with qualifiers such as IMO, I believe, etc.

I have NEVER claimed that my opinion is the definitive and only permissible view on ANY subject.

There are many posters who do promote their views as being sacrosanct and untouchable.

I'm not one of them.

Mark Guglielmo
206 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:40:29
I'm in the middle of an angst-inducing job search, one that directly influences my ability to take care of my wife and try not to lose my home. So yeah, I have some time to post when I'm not speaking with headhunters or applying to jobs. You spit that out as if it's a crime, and consider it a "rash."

What's your excuse? I've got a tenner on the answer being "I'm retired."

Meanwhile, back on topic, anyone take note that Brighton only have 9 goals on the season, and 6 of them came against Watford/Spurs? Certainly Everton would be in a glass house with a stone to truly point fingers at another team's goal-scoring proficiency, but Brighton aren't world beaters not by a long shot. They lost 0-2 to Southampton! That same team that just lost 0-9 to LC.

I like our chances tomorrow.

Paul Birmingham
207 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:43:39
Regardless of the internal fuss, let's unite in spirit, presence etc and so the Evertonians, as is this world, tomorrow celebrate a win.

Each to their own, now to unite for a win.

In our position, we need unity, and solidarity for the cause, of EFC.

I hope and pray in the years left, by the man in the Sky, we see some trophies come in, soon.

Jerome Shields
208 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:50:56
Jay.

Try putting forward your own views, rather than critic others.

All of us have our opinions and we all support Everton. We are always looking for a break through and putting forwarded our humble analysis and suggestions, many of them worthwhi!e, adding to our collective understanding of Everton. A lot is determined by how Everton perform, the heat of the moment and the viewing platform available. Some do a fair bit of homework and it shows in posts.

But any contribution should be respected, particularly those that are prepared to stick their neck out and put their opinions forward.

None of us are actually managing, playing, or coaching Everton and none of us are getting the megabucks being paid out to those that do.

Mike Gaynes
209 Posted 25/10/2019 at 23:57:59
Mark G., given your obvious football expertise I'd suggest you get an application in to Southampton, because after the most lopsided loss in Prem history -- at home no less -- there are going to be lots of jobs available there for someone who knows their stuff. And I hear the weather is nicer on the coast.

Condolences on your job search ordeal, and best of luck.

Mark Guglielmo
210 Posted 25/10/2019 at 00:00:06
At the risk of posting too much *gasp* I appreciate that, Mike, but lest you toss gas (petrol?) on the smoldering remnants of a fire, I am NOT an expert by any stretch (collective duh erupts from the crowd), I'm just passionate and opinionated lol. Oh and I love this club from afar.

Cheers

Steve Ferns
211 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:04:02
Good luck, Mark. I hope you find something worthwhile soon.
Rob Hooton
212 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:10:42
I just have a terrible feeling that Silva will use Mina's injury as an excuse to bring Schneiderlin back into the fold to ‘protect' the defence – and, in doing so, invite pressure on them completely negating said tactic!

Hope I'm wrong and we get a rare away win; be brave and go for it, Marco, fortune often favours the brave!

Mike Gaynes
213 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:10:54
Mark, as I posted a couple of days ago, I'm delighted you've joined this merry little band, and IMO you know what you're talking about. As for the "fire", don't worry about it, just push a sausage onto a stick and have a barbeque.

How far "afar" are you?

Mark Guglielmo
214 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:13:12
Thank you Steve!

And again, thank you, Mike. I live roughly 40 miles west as the crow flies from New York City. Can't even find a proper EFC local fan group without going there, or Philadelphia. So I just put my kit on and scream into the void. My wife says I scare the cats on matchday.

Oh, and Rob, I worry about that very same thing. But who knows what the heck Marco is thinking half the time.

Mike Gaynes
215 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:19:37
You're here in the COLONIES? Way cool. You a Yank or a transplant?

There are a couple other Jersey Boys on TW, one who drops in on the Live Forum every week, so you might find somebody to watch a game with sometime.

Mark Guglielmo
216 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:24:29
Born and bred here! Born Brooklyn, raised New Jersey, educated New York (Ithaca College for the fat lot of good that'll do you). Cool, I'll be on the lookout for those "Jersey Boys."

At my last job, I got the pleasure of traveling to England a few times (all London), and even got to see EFC for my first and only time at Stamford Bridge. Where I learned to not root for the away team in the home section. :-)

I've already started planting the seeds with the wife for an eventual trip to Liverpool. I need to go to a game at the mother ship!

Rob Hooton
217 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:27:52
Great stuff Mark, hope you can make the pilgrimage and bring some luck with you 😀
Mark Guglielmo
218 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:29:34
Rob, I'll settle for bringing some luck through my TV to tomorrow's match! lol
Mike Gaynes
219 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:33:50
Mark, when you do make the pilgrimage, you'll find an unbelievable support network here on TW.

When I made my first trip over after 32 years as a Blue, I was utterly enveloped in a welcoming cadre of resident TWers, not just from Merseyside but from the north of England and Scotland. Enjoyed life-changing experiences and made (I hope) lifelong friends.

You just landed in the best spot ever.

David Pearl
220 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:39:50
Mark,

Youre not alone in using ToffeeWeb for a bit of therapy. I find l come on here more when I've stuff l'm dealing with.

Not the best week for me either. I was on my way for an ECG a few days ago. Car broke down om the way. Called a taxi to the train station. They sent the taxi to the station instead of to me. Then when it turned up within 100 yards he got a flat. Then he couldn't get the nuts off... so l ended up loosening them all for him. Then he couldn't work the jack so l did that. Then while l started taking the nuts out he put the jack down again so l had to tell him just step aside and l would do it. Got to the station with 2 minutes to spare and his card machine wasn't working. By the time it did l ran down the steps with the train at the platform and the driver looked at me while driving away. This is my life...

Got to the hospital an hour late, my blood pressure is through the roof and l have an enlarged heart. If Liverpool win the league, l won't be able to take it... but anything else, bring it on!

Mark Guglielmo
221 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:51:58
Mike/David, I already love being here. Though some may not return that love 😂 One of the things I really enjoy is the mostly mature, knowledgeable discussion. I also hang out at the GrandOldTeam forum and it's basically the opposite.

I was pulled into the football obsession/life by my 2 best lifelong friends, one an Everton diehard, the other, a Liverpool scouser (they taught me all the lingo). I prefer rooting for the underdog so it was going to be Blue all the way. Plus we outnumber him! In his defense, he's an English ex-pat.

David, apologies, I laughed out loud multiple times during your story.

Mike where are you in the States? Also, on behalf of 67% of my people, I'm sorry for the Trumptard.

COYB!

Steve Ferns
222 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:55:22
You gotta laugh or you'll cry, eh David. I hope the blood pressure was down to your ordeal and was back down to an acceptable level shortly afterwards. At least science has proved you have a big heart. I bet that one wins you a few arguments with the missus. Best of luck winning the battle with your health David.
Mike Gaynes
223 Posted 26/10/2019 at 00:59:54
David, good God, mate, you are having quite a stretch, aren't you? Glad you can laugh through at least some of your life travails. Glad we can help with that. Hang in there.

Mark, I'm on the beach in Oregon. Halfway between our moderators, Lyndon in SF and Michael in Seattle.

If you're interested, I wrote a bit of a travelogue about my debut trip to Goodison:
https://www.ToffeeWeb.com/season/16-17/comment/editorial/34817.html%20-%2032

David Pearl
224 Posted 26/10/2019 at 01:08:28
Cheers Steve. Split from the misses 2 months ago. Thanks for reminding me 😁

Mark, yes you have to laugh! Unbelievable. They put a monitor on me last week and all shit broke loose. Its just me I'm sure. If it happened to Larry David they'd think it was too far fetched and slapstick. I had this monitor on while purposely trying to keep calm. Went to the shop and a big queue for coffee. They were giving free ones out. Of course l get to the front and the machine breaks down. Then l walk 2 minutes to pick up my pizza and they've given it to someone else. Went to parents for dinner and me Ma left a briefcase behind a door in the middle of the floor. Two black toe nails and a limp. I just drove home took my pills and straight to bed after that.

Anyway, at least l have Everton (ha).

David Pearl
225 Posted 26/10/2019 at 01:11:23
Mike, it could of been a better year. No doubt we will take 6 points off them lot and win a cup just to even things out a bit.
Mark Guglielmo
226 Posted 26/10/2019 at 01:24:14
David, God bless you for keeping that chin made of granite throughout this ordeal. I'll be sending healing vibes from across the pond.

Mike, no way! Oregon is my favorite place in the entire country. My wife and I have spent 2 anniversaries there (in Portland), but we've made several trips to the coast. Visited the Goonies house, had a great meal in Cannon Beach before a great day of hiking, took all the requisite photos of Haystack Rock, and visited a great brewery and Tillamook Creamery in Tillamook. I'd move there if my whole life wasn't on this coast. I'll definitely check out that travel report, sounds amazing!

Ron Marr
227 Posted 26/10/2019 at 01:38:25
Welcome Mark! I'm Liverpool born, but a 40 year resident of San Francisco. My wife and adult children are American. I'm 2-2 voting in Presidential Elections. Obama came thru twice.

It used to be if you saw someone in an Everton shirt in California they were Liverpool born, glad to see it's changing albeit slowly. I always felt the club dropped the ball by not promoting Tim Howard's Everton connection, especially after the 2014 World Cup. Visiting Dick's Sporting Goods all we saw was Sky 6 gear.

Jack Convery
228 Posted 26/10/2019 at 01:41:16
I hope your health recovers Mr Pearl. We may have the biggest laugh of all time next May if Brenda & Leicester were to pip Liverpool to the title. So get that BP down - chill and watch Phillip Colbert on the Late Show with his Trump monologues - very very funny - Don and The Giant Impeach.
Mark Guglielmo
229 Posted 26/10/2019 at 02:08:00
Thanks Ron! Slowly but surely we Yanks are catching on. Compared to most of you, I'm a very new fan. I was one of those "World Cup" fans, but being of Italian descent, I very much remember Giorgio Canali, and later as a young man being dazzled by Roberto & Dino Baggio (this being 1994; I'm 46 now).

But even then, it took me some time to "get" football. I knew I was hooked when I could appreciate a nil-nil draw, and all that came with it. The beautiful game, indeed.

Granted when it came time to pick a side, my football-loving friends said I could pick anyone but the Sky 6. Everton it was. And now here I am, complaining about team selection and the like. Which probably also explains my naive optimistic outlook. I haven't lived through years, nay, decades of heartbreak & disappointment. I'll check back in 25 years 😃

Mike Gaynes
230 Posted 26/10/2019 at 02:59:59
Mark, I have absorbed an uncountable amount of milk fat at the Tillamook creamery, between the cheese and the ice cream. We live about four hours south of there. If you ever traverse the coastal highway again, our reservation desk is open 24/7.
Albert Perkins
231 Posted 26/10/2019 at 05:26:10
Mike 230. Just visited the Tillamook myself this summer. I live 3 hours South in Eugene and love driving up the coast. I have often had to get out of bed at 4AM and search for an online source on my laptop for the game at some weird Airbnb.

I'm a Liverpool lad far from home cos my Swedish wife and I have kids that live on the Left Coast. Everton gives me a chance to forget the politics for a bit even though it's challenging. Screw Brexit, let's beat Brighton!

Paul Tran
232 Posted 26/10/2019 at 07:20:21
Mark, David, best of luck with what's going on in your lives.
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I'm looking forward to the Livec Forum, the bile when we go a goal down, the joy when we send up winning, the continued debate about Silva ever after!
Darren Hind
233 Posted 26/10/2019 at 07:23:42
Nobody will care who played if we are three points better off come 5pm.

Silva will always have to make changes with this squad. we don't have any consistent 7/10ers.

Nearly all of our players blow hot and cold. Bernard and Walcott had the faithful out of their seats last week, but they are not going to suddenly become consistent.

Stan's right, we do have more talented midfield players than Liverpool, but they know exactly what they will get from the likes of Milner and Henderson. Gomes, Sigurdsson, Benard, Walcott etc may have more talent, but every one of them are capable of stinking the house out.

The only thing certain about this club is: If we drew an alien eleven away in the next round of the cup, 2,500 Rob Halligan's will spend the next few days figuring out how they are going to get to the dark side of the moon.

Brent Stephens
234 Posted 26/10/2019 at 08:34:37
David #220 etc etc etc! What a stoic you are, mate. If you can meet with triumph and disaster, eh. Obviously you can meet with disaster - I just hope you can meet with triumph when we win a cup (soon, I promise).
Derek Knox
235 Posted 26/10/2019 at 08:53:14
Brent, if we don't win a trophy this season, I will hold you personally responsible. :-)
James Hughes
236 Posted 26/10/2019 at 08:53:36
Good luck to England, hope we stuff the Kiwis and then we make it a win double
John Hammond
237 Posted 26/10/2019 at 09:07:41
After the run we've been on, changing a winning team is only going to destroy confidence. Sigurdsson scoring a 20-yard belter as a sub in the dying seconds against tired opposition shouldn't mean he should come back in. Delph has been injured so let's save him for the cup game.
Tony Abrahams
238 Posted 26/10/2019 at 09:10:53
Sausage roll, steak pie, come on England give us a try!
Stan Schofield
239 Posted 26/10/2019 at 09:28:54
Mark@229: A belated welcome to Everton and ToffeeWeb. One of the great things about ToffeeWeb is being able to debate with folks like you who are from and reside in different parts of the world. I'm from Liverpool, lived right near Goodison and Anfield for many years, so was able to walk to the match with my dad. Thing is, I've learned through ToffeeWeb a fair few things about Everton from Evertonians who are far afield, a wonder of the information age.

I was in Texas a few weeks back, and watched the Everton v City game with Houston locals, after we'd watched the Chelsea v Brighton game. I was interested in their take on Everton. The consensus seemed to be that City, Chelsea and Everton looked class, and that Brighton were workmanlike and ordinary. That gave me some encouragement about Everton, since although we lost there were some positive signs which were apparent to neutrals.

In the West Ham game last week, those signs became clearer. The quality of the football we can play with that team is, in my opinion, the best I've seen since the great Everton days of the late 60s, when we were the best and could thrash Leicester 7-1.

But Everton being Everton, they can lift you up and then let you down with a bump. Let's just hope today's game doesn't do the latter! With Everton, it can be a real roller-coaster ride!

Rob Halligan
240 Posted 26/10/2019 at 09:54:08
FFS got as far as Sandbach and coach broke down. Had to wait 45 minutes for a replacement coach. Eavesway sent a replacement coach that belonged to Man Utd. Pure luxury!!
Darren Hind
241 Posted 26/10/2019 at 10:01:53
The Haka has to be one of sports great rituals.

Maybe we should adopt it. Benard and Walcott would terrify the opposition before a ball is kicked.

Brent Stephens
242 Posted 26/10/2019 at 10:05:36
Derek #235. I have a feeling in my waters this year. It's optimism or old age.
Jonathan Tasker
243 Posted 26/10/2019 at 10:24:29
Silva out!

I don't care how he did last weekend, he's a disgrace.

Compare and contrast our club with Leicester

The happy clappers on here are going to get very upset when it's eventually revealed that there's no new ground.

Jerome Shields
244 Posted 26/10/2019 at 10:47:12
I am not looking forward to Silva's team selection. I always seem to get it at kick-off and feel a unrecovering sensation and start hoping for the best.
Tony Hill
245 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:10:52
Mark Guglielmo: as Stan says, it's lovely to see how many people from all over the world are on here. I hope very much that you will be able to get to see us play in our beautiful city.
Ray Roche
246 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:16:44
Jonathan @243,

“No new ground” — Would that be “the Kenwright's” fault?

Steve Brown
247 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:26:29
That was one of the greatest performances by any England team.
Tony Abrahams
248 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:27:41
Not a ball been kicked, although the England rugby team have just put in the complete performance, full of heart, desire, skill, will, and concentration, but I'm not sure even they were as aggressive as Jonathon@243, but I was very proud of them anyway!!
Brent Stephens
249 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:32:15
Great rugby result! Great game. Can't believe how little look-in NZ got. Itoje was immense.
Tony Abrahams
250 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:32:20
I'd say it was one of the most complete team sporting performances I've ever seen Steve, unfuckingbelievable the way they never let the all blacks breath for 80 minutes mate, absolutely incredible.
Steve Ferns
251 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:46:07
Rob, just seen a picture of what I assume is your replacement coach on Twitter. Very nice. I hope you enjoy the game and don't arrive too late.

Did anyone see BBC “expert” Mark Lawrenson didn't think Leicester would best Southampton? He should pack it in.

Oh, and he's got Brighton down for a 2-1 win.

Brent Stephens
252 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:55:14
Steve #251 - it was a close game though. Could have gone either way.
Alan J Thompson
253 Posted 26/10/2019 at 11:59:13
Sorry, but again can't/haven't read all on this thread but someone said that if we win today we are back on track. For what, another 8th? How does that mediocrity bit go again?

Is there anyone out there who seriously believes we are going to win anything – not just this season but in any time that could be called the near future?

James Marshall
254 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:08:04
It's worth noting that Leicester scored more goals in one game last night, than we've scored in all of our 9 matches.

Our biggest problem is clearly scoring goals. Oh, and letting them in. Aside from that, we're all good.

Kim Vivian
256 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:13:54
Fabulous start to the day glued to the rugby with copious amounts of coffee. I thought we would win it today after the demolition of the Aussies, and just made up for the England lads. Credit, however, to players of both teams. I just wish football could embrace the same sporting spirit that these guys do. And take the odd knock or two a well.

Made up also for Leicester. I quite like Leicester (my late Mum's team) and happy for them especially after the tragedy a year ago. As many on here have alluded to, with more astute direction and management, that could be us - not necessarily banging in the 9 goals, but in terms of progress and league position. Good for them.

I hope we can get off to the same sort of start as the England lads today and finish up with a similar margin of victory - say 3-1 would be lovely. But we are Everton so predictions are never easy. I have a horrible feeling we might take a step backwards and maybe end up at 1-1 today.

And thanks again to Leicester - gained me 47 points on the FPL last night. I need them. Badly.

Jerome Shields
257 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:14:42
#Mark 206

Good Luck.

Mark Guglielmo
258 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:17:58
Chins up, face front, lads! It's matchday!! (Now that I know Santa Claus doesn't exist, Friday nights are my new Xmas Eve)

Thanks to all the welcomes, hope we're all very happy come 12/5pm.

COYB

Steve Ferns
259 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:23:24
Mark, worth noting that tomorrow we will shift from BST to GMT. Not sure when you adjust your own clocks but we do so in 13.5 hours.
Kim Vivian
260 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:27:08
Just watching City/Villa. There's some fucking weird away kits this season, although I quite like that Villa ensemble. Can't quite make the connection with Villa though.
Alan J Thompson
261 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:29:38
Kim(#256); Got, just today,12/1 England to play Wales in the Final but mostly for the benefit of a few Kiwi and South African friends. Well, might be in a day or so.
Eddie Dunn
262 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:52:28
A truly momentous morning of rugby. I am on top of the world and now need Everton to get a special away win.
Kim Vivian
263 Posted 26/10/2019 at 12:54:05
Hope that comes in for you, Alan. S Africa strong favourites but that adds pressure on them on the day. I'm a bit neutral on this one. As an England fan I guess I'd rather we faced Wales but I do have a S African connection and a N vs S hemispheres would be good. Bring it on. Good luck with your bet. I'll be watching. (Unless I have to catch MotD to re-watch our 9-0 twatting of Brighton !)
Francis van Lierop
264 Posted 26/10/2019 at 13:00:44
Don't change a winning team!
Tony Everan
265 Posted 26/10/2019 at 13:37:02
I'm not bothered about breaking records or anything, a un-newsworthy 8-0 win for us today would do.

Neil Wood
266 Posted 26/10/2019 at 13:54:29
Welcome Mark. Good afternoon all

Well 8 minutes to go to see if this lad has some balls or not.

Same team for me but I'd also be tempted to start Kean instead of Walcott (not a slur on Walcott last time our but just want to see Kean)

Paul Tran
267 Posted 26/10/2019 at 14:15:58
Darren #241, if you like the haka, get down to London on the Kiwi national day, they all join up and do a mass haka over one of the bridges. I joined in one year, it's an absolute hoot!
Mike Gaynes
268 Posted 26/10/2019 at 14:17:06
Albert #231, glad to have another Oregonian here. I went to school in Eugene. Many, many years ago. Sure has changed.
Paul Tran
269 Posted 26/10/2019 at 14:18:02
Afternoon/morning Mike, hows it going?
Mike Gaynes
270 Posted 26/10/2019 at 14:20:51
Hiya, PT! All good here. You? Congrats on your horse performing well.
Paul Tran
271 Posted 26/10/2019 at 14:24:11
Great, Mike. Just back from a wonderful chill-out holiday in Sutherland. And no need for boots/waterproofs in the great weather! Really happy with Trump's first run yesterday, next stop planned for Cheltenham in mid-November.
Mike Gaynes
272 Posted 26/10/2019 at 14:24:26
For anyone interested in the US, Fox Sports 2 is currently airing Dortmund vs. Schalke -- Jonjoe Kenny's toughest challenge of the season.
Mike Gaynes
273 Posted 26/10/2019 at 14:25:17
You needed that break, PT... been working too hard!
Paul Tran
275 Posted 26/10/2019 at 14:28:40
We both did, Mike, my wife's just finished her second book. Gonna be busy for the next six weeks, but it never feels to hard when you enjoy it!

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