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David Moyes has said Everton 'want to do well in the cups' but suggested a strong Premier League campaign is more important.
Everton begin their Carabao Cup campaign at Preston North End tomorrow evening, aiming to improve on a poor recent record in cup competitions.
The Toffees have excited the FA Cup and League Cup in the fourth round or earlier on seven occasions in their last eight cup campaigns, reaching one quarter-final.
A second-string Everton exited this competition at struggling Wolves last season, while falling at the first hurdle in the FA Cup.
Asked at his pre-match press conference how much focus will be placed on the cups this season, Moyes gave a prickly answer. He said it was 'stupid' to suggest managers did not want cup success.
"I think it's a question every journalist asks every manager. In some ways, I think are those journalists dead stupid? Do you think none of the managers want to win the cups?
"Of course we all want to win the cups. Yes, the cups are hugely important, would it be more important than staying in the Premier League?
"I’ll ask you the question: Is winning a cup more important than staying in the Premier League? What would your answer be? Of course we want to do well in the cups, I can’t think of any manager who wouldn’t want a good run in the cups."
Moyes's comments come amid Angus Kinnear's target for Everton to 'challenge for a trophy' this season. He used the recent examples of Newcastle and Crystal Palace as clubs who succeeded with ambition in the cup competitions.
“Newcastle, Crystal Palace, have shown that it is achievable of clubs who are ambitious but [where] winning a Premier League or winning a European Cup is hard," he said.
"We have definitely had discussions with ownership and with David [Moyes] about how we use the Carabao Cup and the FA Cup to give something for the fans to really cheer and get behind and be proud of.”
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Sean Kearns
2 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:01:18
2 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:01:18
Fuck that! He hates us…. Out of the 92 teams in the professional football league, Everton are the only team who havn’t celebrated anything since the turn of the century (2000)… This includes first team honors and promotion. We are the only bastard team out of 92 that hasn’t celebrated a single thing since the year 2000!!! Every other one of the 91 teams has either won a trophy or been promoted since the year 2000….I’m 35 so being 4 when we won the FA cup I don’t remember it. What a gobshite. Why can’t we try in all the competitions equally? An institution of the game like us shouldn’t even concern ourselves with worrying about relegation, the league cup is the easiest to win and from what I see we currently have a “cup” team who could beat anyone on our day. Especially with Jordan keeping goal… Eddie Howe would have a bloody good go of it. We are tortured every season
John Collins
3 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:02:37
3 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:02:37
https://www.facebook.com/BBCMOTD/posts/are-those-journalists-dead-stupid-%EF%B8%8Fdavid-Moyes-hits-back-after-being-asked-about/1668391874653535/
Steve Brown
4 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:08:32
4 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:08:32
The quotes explain why he has always been a loser.
His big promise is keeping us in the Premier League.
Says it all.
His big promise is keeping us in the Premier League.
Says it all.
John Collins
5 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:10:01
5 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:10:01
An arrogant man, full of his own self importance.
I reckon he would be happy to be paid up and walk away.
Hes making statements recently to antagonise the fans.
I reckon he would be happy to be paid up and walk away.
Hes making statements recently to antagonise the fans.
Liam Mogan
6 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:12:26
6 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:12:26
Mr Touchy getting a cob on with journalists asking reasonable questions given his awful cup record.
He hates to be questioned. Given his limitations it's no surprise. Deep down inside he knows he is just an average manager.
He hates to be questioned. Given his limitations it's no surprise. Deep down inside he knows he is just an average manager.
Mark Ryan
7 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:15:34
7 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:15:34
and it precisely that childish response that makes me detest the man. As soon as the question is asked his back is up and he bristles and thats because because the truth hurts. His response is classic Moyes and he knows deep down he's never really tried in the cups for us. He knows he's always fucked up and he truly can't be arsed with it because Kenwright needed us to stay on the league. His response is pathetic, childish and equally vitriolic for the reporter.
Ask me an easier one he hopes
The next reporter asks "David, how does it feel to be going back to Preston where it all started for you ?"
Moyes response is to smile and relax and talk shit about Preston North's End Football History. What a total prick this man is. No fucking interest in winning either of the domestic trophies. MOYES OUT
Ask me an easier one he hopes
The next reporter asks "David, how does it feel to be going back to Preston where it all started for you ?"
Moyes response is to smile and relax and talk shit about Preston North's End Football History. What a total prick this man is. No fucking interest in winning either of the domestic trophies. MOYES OUT
Ian Wilkins
8 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:15:54
8 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:15:54
The reference point should not be staying in the PL, avoiding relegation. We’re past that aren’t we.. have loftier ambition surely.
Tony Hughes
9 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:21:42
9 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:21:42
Come on Moysey let's have ago in the cups this year, it's your last season you miserable fucker
Rick Tarleton
10 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:24:15
10 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:24:15
I'm always amazed at Everton's cavalier attitude to the cup competitions. Moyes has never seemed to value cup success very highly. Maybe he believes we'll be a 5000-1 team and win the league or at least qualify for the Champions' League.
If he follows his past behaviour and selects fringe players tomorrow night then we'll know he hasn't and, in fact, cannot change the habits of a fairly unsuccessful thirty years in management.
If he follows his past behaviour and selects fringe players tomorrow night then we'll know he hasn't and, in fact, cannot change the habits of a fairly unsuccessful thirty years in management.
John Williams
11 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:27:46
11 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:27:46
Calm Down, Calm Down.
Some of you will end up with a heart attack; it's football, not life and death.
Some of you will end up with a heart attack; it's football, not life and death.
Mark Ryan
12 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:28:05
12 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:28:05
Tony @ 9 that's what I should have said ha ha
Kevin Molloy
13 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:30:52
13 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:30:52
of course Moyes is going to switch players around for two games in a week. I thought that was what people wanted? Using the squad and all that? the league is always the priority. I'd be gobsmacked if he played Braithwaite for both.
It's becoming irrelevant anyway, our squad now is all much of a muchness, insofar as our shadow team is very nearly as good as the first team.
It's becoming irrelevant anyway, our squad now is all much of a muchness, insofar as our shadow team is very nearly as good as the first team.
Brian Harrison
14 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:37:12
14 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:37:12
I well understand the frustration from our fans for our lack of a decent cup run of late, but I think most Premier league teams play fringe players in the early rounds of the competition. If the fringe players don't get game time in the cups when are they likely to get any game time, and remember these guys are on top money so its not like we are bringing in loads of kids. If we start with Dibbling, Johnson, Beto and maybe Alcaraz then if they aren't capable of beating Preston then what's the point of having them at the club, as these are supposed to be challenging for a 1st team spot.
Jay Harris
15 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:39:23
15 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:39:23
The last time we got to the final and semi finals was under Moyes so while we all have misgivings about him it is unfair to give him shit about the squad he inherited and his attempts to get the hierarchy to invest in better players.
Martin Farrington
16 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:39:38
16 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:39:38
Tosser
Christy Ring
17 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:42:48
17 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:42:48
Asking a straight forward question, especially looking at his previous team selections and record in cup competitions, his arrogance comes out, and he thinks he can’t be touched.
Phil Roberts
18 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:46:22
18 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:46:22
Sam #2 - we are also one of 8 teams (2 promoted from National League) whose supporters have not had to go through the pain and humiliation of getting relegated since 2000.
We want to celebrate winning a trophy but apart from the Sky 5 (I don't count Spurs), 1 League, 4 Cup and 6 League Cup have been won by 9 different clubs out of the 86. That means the other 77 have won diddly squat except some mickey mouse trophy because underneath it all they are rubbish and not fit to be compared to us.
I am sure Wolves fans are delighted with the dross served up last season so it gives them the chance to come 1st or 3rd in the Championship and hold that trophy aloft - because far better to spend a season in the depths where you can win something. Lincoln will be a wonderful place to visit on a Wednesday night in January.
We want to celebrate winning a trophy but apart from the Sky 5 (I don't count Spurs), 1 League, 4 Cup and 6 League Cup have been won by 9 different clubs out of the 86. That means the other 77 have won diddly squat except some mickey mouse trophy because underneath it all they are rubbish and not fit to be compared to us.
I am sure Wolves fans are delighted with the dross served up last season so it gives them the chance to come 1st or 3rd in the Championship and hold that trophy aloft - because far better to spend a season in the depths where you can win something. Lincoln will be a wonderful place to visit on a Wednesday night in January.
James Marshall
19 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:46:49
19 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:46:49
Staying in the Premier League is the priority. I don't understand what the big deal is. He's right.
Mike Powell
20 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:48:24
20 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:48:24
We need to win a cup, we are not gonna win the league, we will be safe in the league.Lets go all out and win a cup FFS 1995 as the RS keep reminding us, we are desperate for a cup, let's shit that red shower up COYB
Kevin Molloy
21 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:50:52
21 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:50:52
it's also worth remembering, NOBODY, has invested less than Everton in the Premier League in the last five years. Middling clubs like Brighton have spent triple what we have. And people are moaning at Moyes for not winning the milk cup after he's been here a year.
Tony Abrahams
22 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:54:14
22 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:54:14
If that question irritated Moyes, then his answer will definitely irritate a lot of Evertonians. The reporter who asked the initial question is very stupid though because surely his reply should have been “why can’t you do both?”
No other team has played more top-flight games and yet this manager who has been incredibly fortunate (IMO) to manage Everton twice, and has never won a domestic honour, actually answers the question by talking about relegation.
My forte isn’t winning trophies, it’s always been about trying to avoid relegation. I did win something for West Ham and the ungrateful bastards got rid of me because too many so called supporters didn’t like my football, so I made sure I had the last laugh when we played at Spurs in May.🤮
No other team has played more top-flight games and yet this manager who has been incredibly fortunate (IMO) to manage Everton twice, and has never won a domestic honour, actually answers the question by talking about relegation.
My forte isn’t winning trophies, it’s always been about trying to avoid relegation. I did win something for West Ham and the ungrateful bastards got rid of me because too many so called supporters didn’t like my football, so I made sure I had the last laugh when we played at Spurs in May.🤮
Raymond Fox
23 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:58:33
23 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:58:33
Has he said anything wrong, his problem is he is too honest with his answers.
You want him to give some of the players an outing but when he doe's that, its wrong!
Name one Prem. side that plays their full first team in the earlier rounds, if we had a better squad like some of the now top clubs it wouldn't be a problem.
So Sean do you want us to get relegated so we could win promotion!
This jumping on Moyes whatever he does, is and has been for a while eff. boring it's no wonder some excellent poster have left.
You want him to give some of the players an outing but when he doe's that, its wrong!
Name one Prem. side that plays their full first team in the earlier rounds, if we had a better squad like some of the now top clubs it wouldn't be a problem.
So Sean do you want us to get relegated so we could win promotion!
This jumping on Moyes whatever he does, is and has been for a while eff. boring it's no wonder some excellent poster have left.
Kevin Molloy
24 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:59:31
24 Posted 25/08/2026 at 15:59:31
he's not been given any money Tony. that's the elephant in the room, the reason for his irritation. Money helps teams buy decent players. He's had nothing.
John Collins
25 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:01:59
25 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:01:59
Still £55 million to go to match last seasons spend total.
Mark Taylor
26 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:02:09
26 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:02:09
Would you sooner have relegation and win a cup or to stay in the PL and not win a cup? I would have thought the answer is the latter but appreciate some may differ.
One can of course hope to do both but you are taking big risks if you don't manage player loads and rotate. Everyone else does in the earlier rounds.
Is our squad good enough to rotate? You'd damn well hope so. Some I think you have to manage- Branthwaite comes to mind- some might be good at this point to play 3 in a week. Some who might otherwise be in the first team or close to it might need a run out. Garner and (if available) Norgard and O'Brien come to mind. Maybe also Dibling.
So I expect changes but I also expect it be be a team good enough to win.
One can of course hope to do both but you are taking big risks if you don't manage player loads and rotate. Everyone else does in the earlier rounds.
Is our squad good enough to rotate? You'd damn well hope so. Some I think you have to manage- Branthwaite comes to mind- some might be good at this point to play 3 in a week. Some who might otherwise be in the first team or close to it might need a run out. Garner and (if available) Norgard and O'Brien come to mind. Maybe also Dibling.
So I expect changes but I also expect it be be a team good enough to win.
Kevin Molloy
27 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:05:38
27 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:05:38
last years's total John, let's break it down. Two key players in Doucs and DcL left on frees. S you're needing to spend £30m on each replacement just to stand still. The rest went on development players like Dibling and Aznou who weren't ready for the first team. So he's basically got Dyche's team, and no new money.
John Collins
28 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:08:00
28 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:08:00
I'm breaking it down to minus £55 million on last summers spend Kevin.
Thats with an increase in revenue of 35% from the season previous.
Carpet baggers?
Thats with an increase in revenue of 35% from the season previous.
Carpet baggers?
Kevin Molloy
29 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:11:33
29 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:11:33
you're not factoring in the fact we had players of the equivalent of £30m each who left for nothing. So our initial investment of £60m just put us back where we were. You make it sound like he was given £100m to uplift the first team, he wasn't. What money he did get he spent well. We got in Grealish (unlucky to get an injury) and KDH.
John Collins
30 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:11:39
30 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:11:39
Hands up.
Are you happy to be relegation free by surrender in the two cups?
Settle for this club NEVER winning a trophy again as long as we stay in the division?
Are you happy to be relegation free by surrender in the two cups?
Settle for this club NEVER winning a trophy again as long as we stay in the division?
John Collins
31 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:13:33
31 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:13:33
"What money he did get he spent well. We got in Grealish (unlucky to get an injury) and KDH."
You said he only got development players 10 minutes ago
You said he only got development players 10 minutes ago
Dave Lynch
32 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:15:37
32 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:15:37
Why is it important to stay in the premier league?
I get the money part, but in footballing terms it's a dead league, PSR has ensured the top 5 will remain that way forever and a day, the FA have created a mini league in a big league and the rest of us are cannon fodder.
I've watched the top 5 spend billions and rape other teams of talent to ensure the status quo remains, the FA are facilitating a super league within a league and there is fuck-all anyone can do about it.
We and the rest of the bottom feeders (because that's what we are) just puddle along every season and are told we should be grateful for remaining in the "elite" echelons of the PL, when in reality we are just cannon fodder for the super entitled clubs.
I get the money part, but in footballing terms it's a dead league, PSR has ensured the top 5 will remain that way forever and a day, the FA have created a mini league in a big league and the rest of us are cannon fodder.
I've watched the top 5 spend billions and rape other teams of talent to ensure the status quo remains, the FA are facilitating a super league within a league and there is fuck-all anyone can do about it.
We and the rest of the bottom feeders (because that's what we are) just puddle along every season and are told we should be grateful for remaining in the "elite" echelons of the PL, when in reality we are just cannon fodder for the super entitled clubs.
Kevin Molloy
33 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:17:17
33 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:17:17
KdH was one of the £30m players which we and to spend just to stand still.
Jack was a loan. You know the point I'm making. the money he was given either went on filling holes, or squad filler. No new money. for the first team.
Jack was a loan. You know the point I'm making. the money he was given either went on filling holes, or squad filler. No new money. for the first team.
Sean Kearns
34 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:17:45
34 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:17:45
A lot of replies to my comment most likely coming from people who are fortunate enough to have seen us win something and know what that euphoria must feel like. I’m halfway through my life and havnt celebrated a fookin thing. Leicester won a league and FA cup, Newcastle won a league cup, spurs won a league cup and very nearly and champions league!!…. And I’ve seen the 2009 FA cup final. Trophy’s is what its all about…. The 2009 semi shoot-out win against Man U was my absolute best day supporting Everton, I’ve never celebrated any Everton goal from open play as much as I celebrated Jags’ winning penalty. And I want more of that!.. but clearly I’m asking way too much… a championship play off final win at Wembley sounds pretty fucking fun to be honest with you!
Phil Roberts
35 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:18:08
35 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:18:08
I am hoping it is
Travers (or Pickford)
Röhl Tarkowski O'Brien Aznou
Hackney Armstrong
Alcaraz
Dibling Barry George
With Garner, Johnson Beto on the bench alongside Pickford/Travers, Mykolenko, Patterson, Keane, KDH, N'diaye.
If we need to bring on any of the last 6 to rescue the tie then we really are in trouble and more to the point, Moyes was right at the end of last season to keep an unchanged side.
Travers (or Pickford)
Röhl Tarkowski O'Brien Aznou
Hackney Armstrong
Alcaraz
Dibling Barry George
With Garner, Johnson Beto on the bench alongside Pickford/Travers, Mykolenko, Patterson, Keane, KDH, N'diaye.
If we need to bring on any of the last 6 to rescue the tie then we really are in trouble and more to the point, Moyes was right at the end of last season to keep an unchanged side.
Phil Roberts
36 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:20:29
36 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:20:29
John, put the question the other way around
Hands up.
Are you happy to not surrender in the two cups but get relegated and a chance to be promoted?
Hands up.
Are you happy to not surrender in the two cups but get relegated and a chance to be promoted?
Phil Roberts
37 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:28:23
37 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:28:23
Good job it is Moyes not me answering the questions.
I get sick and fed up of journalists asking stupid questions.
Journalist: "How much focus will be placed on the cups this season?"
Phil Roberts: "None at all. We don't want to win anything. How stupid are you? Of course we want to win every competition in which we enter."
It was like this morning when the minister was told by the intelligent Radio 4 presenter -- these new houses won't be finished being built until 2039. I dislike the current government but what a stupid question. My answer would have been "Yes, you are right. It is going to take 13 years. We may as well not start. Thanks for pointing that out and I will go to the House when it re-sits and tell them we are not going to spend the £39B on new houses because as the BBC pointed out it is going to take 13 years, so we may as well not bother starting."
With dumb questions like that, it is a good job I am never in front of a microphone because I would call them out for being stupid -- which it seems is what Moyes did but in a far more polite way.
I get sick and fed up of journalists asking stupid questions.
Journalist: "How much focus will be placed on the cups this season?"
Phil Roberts: "None at all. We don't want to win anything. How stupid are you? Of course we want to win every competition in which we enter."
It was like this morning when the minister was told by the intelligent Radio 4 presenter -- these new houses won't be finished being built until 2039. I dislike the current government but what a stupid question. My answer would have been "Yes, you are right. It is going to take 13 years. We may as well not start. Thanks for pointing that out and I will go to the House when it re-sits and tell them we are not going to spend the £39B on new houses because as the BBC pointed out it is going to take 13 years, so we may as well not bother starting."
With dumb questions like that, it is a good job I am never in front of a microphone because I would call them out for being stupid -- which it seems is what Moyes did but in a far more polite way.
John Collins
38 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:29:05
38 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:29:05
I don't think one goes with the other, Phil.
How many teams who have good runs to the later stages have been relegated same season?
How many teams who have good runs to the later stages have been relegated same season?
Dale Self
39 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:33:57
39 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:33:57
Raymond, please stop referencing Sean's posts while characterizing the rest of us as simply demonizing Moyes. It would be similar to me claiming your prose is similar to John's at 11.
By the way, John, this is Everton life, wise up maaaan.
Moyes was quite happy being the face of the club, as well as the font of knowledge in last season's episode. Now that Angus is talking, the tone has changed. He is threatened by the criticism, spouting crap, when he could simply deflect.
I don't actually hold Moyes responsible for some of this show, transfers in particular, but this is what you get when you do what Moyes did... by talking up Europe to calm the masses down, only to slide out the back door in ignominious fashion.
By the way, John, this is Everton life, wise up maaaan.
Moyes was quite happy being the face of the club, as well as the font of knowledge in last season's episode. Now that Angus is talking, the tone has changed. He is threatened by the criticism, spouting crap, when he could simply deflect.
I don't actually hold Moyes responsible for some of this show, transfers in particular, but this is what you get when you do what Moyes did... by talking up Europe to calm the masses down, only to slide out the back door in ignominious fashion.
Raymond Fox
40 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:36:52
40 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:36:52
They do ask stupid questions, although they have to ask something I suppose.
One of the pitch-side interviewers asked a player who scored, I think one of the Hull players, what he felt like when he scored!
One of the pitch-side interviewers asked a player who scored, I think one of the Hull players, what he felt like when he scored!
Sean Kearns
41 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:38:20
41 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:38:20
Man City win the League Cup every year and they look off it, certainly over the hill…
The Red Shite look shite still, Man Utd looked shite…
This is the season to have a go at it!
The Red Shite look shite still, Man Utd looked shite…
This is the season to have a go at it!
John Collins
42 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:43:04
42 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:43:04
The journalist probably looked at his record of third and fourth round exits in the two cups before asking the question.
Stu Gre
43 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:48:35
43 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:48:35
It's a weird attitude. Why does staying in the Premier League and winning a cup have to be mutually exclusive?
There is no point in being in the Premier League if we win fook all. As it stands, under this manager (and he's finally confirmed his attitude), we have no chance of winning anything.
I mentioned before, Coventry have been through hell and back, but last season I guarantee they had more fun than we have ever had under Moyes. Some folk want (or would settle for) mid-table forever... fine. I want to win a trophy.
The Premier League makes people forget the point of football.
There is no point in being in the Premier League if we win fook all. As it stands, under this manager (and he's finally confirmed his attitude), we have no chance of winning anything.
I mentioned before, Coventry have been through hell and back, but last season I guarantee they had more fun than we have ever had under Moyes. Some folk want (or would settle for) mid-table forever... fine. I want to win a trophy.
The Premier League makes people forget the point of football.
Raymond Fox
44 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:53:43
44 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:53:43
Dale, I referenced one remark out of one of Sean's post, plus I'm not demonising all posters -- just the persistent critics who are entitled to their opinions, of course, but as I say, it's getting pretty boring.
The articles don't help when we are bound to get onto the manager, it would be more interesting with more emphasis on the players.
They make for more posts, so I can see why it's done.
The articles don't help when we are bound to get onto the manager, it would be more interesting with more emphasis on the players.
They make for more posts, so I can see why it's done.
Dale Self
45 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:53:52
45 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:53:52
Let me take this special opportunity to agree, emphatically agree, with Sean Kearns. This is the time to advance Everton to serious contender status. Not a short-odds one mind you, but a fucking outside contender that could threaten the Bourgeois Behemoths.
We all see some weakness in the squads that typically dominate the Premier League. At the same time, we see the untapped qualities of their first eleven and bench. If we believe that players themselves need to realize their ambitions at contender clubs, there is a set of possibilities where either we pay above the odds or never get a sniff.
Additionally, and most crucially, we can see some energized chemistry in our squad now. I also think it is safe to say that most believe it to be a signal of actual quality, not just a loosening-of-the-reins response.
There is enough in the squad now, if you make some proper investments, the overall transfer budget burden will be neutral as we integrate more quality into the squad. This happens by reducing the premiums mentioned above and possibly getting some truly talented unknowns to buy in here.
We all see some weakness in the squads that typically dominate the Premier League. At the same time, we see the untapped qualities of their first eleven and bench. If we believe that players themselves need to realize their ambitions at contender clubs, there is a set of possibilities where either we pay above the odds or never get a sniff.
Additionally, and most crucially, we can see some energized chemistry in our squad now. I also think it is safe to say that most believe it to be a signal of actual quality, not just a loosening-of-the-reins response.
There is enough in the squad now, if you make some proper investments, the overall transfer budget burden will be neutral as we integrate more quality into the squad. This happens by reducing the premiums mentioned above and possibly getting some truly talented unknowns to buy in here.
Tony Abrahams
46 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:57:16
46 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:57:16
Then he should just come out and say that, Kevin:
"The reason I've never won a domestic honour is that I have never been given enough money to compete on all fronts. I keep a club stable, I have got history for slowly building a team up if I'm given plenty of time, and I won in Europe when the tables were turned and my West Ham team probably cost more to assemble than any other team in the competition.
"Everton, have moved into a fantastic new stadium, but they still haven't got any real money -- so don't expect me to win because I am not going to break the habit of a lifetime.
"Plus the Premier League has always been my bread and butter.
"That fucking Angus has got a cheek, though, saying the owners expect me to be qualifying for Europe and doing better in the cups.
"The smug hard-faced bastard had better get me a few more players in, because I'm actually overachieving helping to keep Everton in the Premier League, just like I was the first time I was here and Bill Kenwright was the lucky recipient of my talent."
If David Moyes was really serious about winning, then he would surely be digging people out a lot more? I personally don't think that has ever been as high on his agenda as playing things down and making himself look respectable.
"The reason I've never won a domestic honour is that I have never been given enough money to compete on all fronts. I keep a club stable, I have got history for slowly building a team up if I'm given plenty of time, and I won in Europe when the tables were turned and my West Ham team probably cost more to assemble than any other team in the competition.
"Everton, have moved into a fantastic new stadium, but they still haven't got any real money -- so don't expect me to win because I am not going to break the habit of a lifetime.
"Plus the Premier League has always been my bread and butter.
"That fucking Angus has got a cheek, though, saying the owners expect me to be qualifying for Europe and doing better in the cups.
"The smug hard-faced bastard had better get me a few more players in, because I'm actually overachieving helping to keep Everton in the Premier League, just like I was the first time I was here and Bill Kenwright was the lucky recipient of my talent."
If David Moyes was really serious about winning, then he would surely be digging people out a lot more? I personally don't think that has ever been as high on his agenda as playing things down and making himself look respectable.
Stan Grace
47 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:59:04
47 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:59:04
After 25 cup campaigns (13 FA Cup, 12 League Cup) with Everton, Moyes's record is as follows:
FA Cup average: 4.54th round
League Cup average: 3.83rd round
He lost one final, two semis and a quarter-final in those 25 cup campaigns. He lost nine times in the 3rd, ten times in the 4th and twice in the 5th round.
In the League Cup, he has only gone beyond the 4th round once.
Everton's Premier League final position in his best cup years were two 5th places, one 6th and one 7th. So doing well in the cups actually had a positive effect on our league placings.
FA Cup average: 4.54th round
League Cup average: 3.83rd round
He lost one final, two semis and a quarter-final in those 25 cup campaigns. He lost nine times in the 3rd, ten times in the 4th and twice in the 5th round.
In the League Cup, he has only gone beyond the 4th round once.
Everton's Premier League final position in his best cup years were two 5th places, one 6th and one 7th. So doing well in the cups actually had a positive effect on our league placings.
Ajay Gopal
48 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:59:41
48 Posted 25/08/2026 at 16:59:41
I don't know what triggered Moyes to get so worked up. I thought it was a fairly innocent question.
Mr Moyes, it doesn't have to be an either-or situation. You can win a cup and stay in the Premier League. In fact, the only instance that I know of when a team that won the cup (FA) and got relegated was Wigan, and most Wigan fans will probably tell you that the highlight of their footballing life was that FA Cup win.
Mr Moyes, it doesn't have to be an either-or situation. You can win a cup and stay in the Premier League. In fact, the only instance that I know of when a team that won the cup (FA) and got relegated was Wigan, and most Wigan fans will probably tell you that the highlight of their footballing life was that FA Cup win.
John Collins
49 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:01:41
49 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:01:41
Very good, Stan.
Exposes the Moyes falsehood perfectly.
Exposes the Moyes falsehood perfectly.
Dale Self
50 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:02:28
50 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:02:28
Fair enough, Raymond, I should have softened the tone but got a little excited.
Fuckin Moyes.
Fuckin Moyes.
Raymond Fox
51 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:11:45
51 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:11:45
No problem, Dale.
What do they say? "Where all agree, no one thinks very much."
What do they say? "Where all agree, no one thinks very much."
Josh Horne
52 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:14:45
52 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:14:45
BBC: Top 10 premier league managers
He has the third highest number of wins but is correctly ruled out of the BBC conversation for Top 10 Premier League managers ever on the basis of his lousy win percentage and the fact he has never won it, or even come close.
You might think a good cup record could make up for, or perhaps explain his Premier League mediocrity, but no -- it's the opposite. His cup record is even worse because Premier League survival is, apparently, so much more important; as if these two things are mutually exclusive.
Please can we get rid of this miserable, negative manager and get Eddie Howe in immediately.
He has the third highest number of wins but is correctly ruled out of the BBC conversation for Top 10 Premier League managers ever on the basis of his lousy win percentage and the fact he has never won it, or even come close.
You might think a good cup record could make up for, or perhaps explain his Premier League mediocrity, but no -- it's the opposite. His cup record is even worse because Premier League survival is, apparently, so much more important; as if these two things are mutually exclusive.
Please can we get rid of this miserable, negative manager and get Eddie Howe in immediately.
David West
53 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:22:04
53 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:22:04
It's not an either or question that was posed to him, is it?
As Stan's #47 post shows, cups don't have to have a detrimental effect on your league position, in fact the opposite can usually be the case: momentum, confidence, mindset, form, can all be improved by successful cup runs.
So, if we don't prioritise the cups, is he going to guarantee European football? Me thinks not!
Getting knocked out of cups doesn't improve your league form. Brings it back again to staying in the Premier League. How utterly depressing, uninspiring and demotivating.
He could have come out and said we want to challenge for these cups, as well as competing for European places, that's the minimum target for where this club is at right now. It won't be easy, but what is worthwhile is not easy.
I think we'd all be happier if he just didn't do pressers anymore, his words are worse than his tactics, selections and signings.
As Stan's #47 post shows, cups don't have to have a detrimental effect on your league position, in fact the opposite can usually be the case: momentum, confidence, mindset, form, can all be improved by successful cup runs.
So, if we don't prioritise the cups, is he going to guarantee European football? Me thinks not!
Getting knocked out of cups doesn't improve your league form. Brings it back again to staying in the Premier League. How utterly depressing, uninspiring and demotivating.
He could have come out and said we want to challenge for these cups, as well as competing for European places, that's the minimum target for where this club is at right now. It won't be easy, but what is worthwhile is not easy.
I think we'd all be happier if he just didn't do pressers anymore, his words are worse than his tactics, selections and signings.
Dale Self
54 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:34:46
54 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:34:46
Yes, Raymond, tense times on the way up, methinks. That is why everyone is getting excited.
Definitely don't want to be contentious with you as I've enjoyed your posts.
Brendan, Neil, yourself and some others I completely get. I struggle with some of the more rhetorical pro-Moyes treatments.
Definitely don't want to be contentious with you as I've enjoyed your posts.
Brendan, Neil, yourself and some others I completely get. I struggle with some of the more rhetorical pro-Moyes treatments.
Mark Taylor
55 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:34:51
55 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:34:51
I think Moyes is wily enough not to set himself a target he might fail at.
I think Tony A nailed it in his post and this comment: "Playing things down and making himself look respectable".
The time to start worrying is if we find out that's okay with the owners too.
I think Tony A nailed it in his post and this comment: "Playing things down and making himself look respectable".
The time to start worrying is if we find out that's okay with the owners too.
David Peate
56 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:54:35
56 Posted 25/08/2026 at 17:54:35
John Williams (11) Well said.
We have had far worse managers/secretaries starting with Theo Kelly who sold Tommy Lawton and Joe Mercer. Few will remember the hatred that we had for Kelly but we did not slag him off.
We have had far worse managers/secretaries starting with Theo Kelly who sold Tommy Lawton and Joe Mercer. Few will remember the hatred that we had for Kelly but we did not slag him off.
Christy Ring
57 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:08:11
57 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:08:11
We all like a "strong Premier League campaign"?
Don't forget when a journalist told him after our poor finish to last season, the fans were disappointed -- he took that as a snub as well.
Don't forget when a journalist told him after our poor finish to last season, the fans were disappointed -- he took that as a snub as well.
Billy Shears
58 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:12:15
58 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:12:15
Moyes should give everything a real fucking go in his last season with us.
Hopefully...!
Hopefully...!
Billy Shears
59 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:20:18
59 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:20:18
It starts with treating the League Cup with the respect it deserves... not with utter fucking contempt, season after season, would help!!
Play to win this fucking pot... finally. How many times have Liverpool won this Trophy!?
Play to win this fucking pot... finally. How many times have Liverpool won this Trophy!?
Billy Shears
60 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:25:53
60 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:25:53
Rotate the team, start fast and put Preston to the fucking sword... other Premier League teams do it... why can't we?
Travers
Patterson
O'Brien
Keane
Aznou
Hackney
Dewsbury-Hall
Armstrong
Dibling
George
Beto
Travers
Patterson
O'Brien
Keane
Aznou
Hackney
Dewsbury-Hall
Armstrong
Dibling
George
Beto
Conor McCourt
62 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:29:30
62 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:29:30
Why on earth would we be relegated? Last season, we finished 13th, where we only finished worse in 2 seasons in the last 2 decades.
We were in relegation fights when we had to sell our best players and had dubious points deductions. It would be some effort to get this squad relegated.
This is bizarre. Self-preservation is all this guy is interested in. Cup winners get a trophy and can earn a European place which this club should strive for.
Moyes is becoming more belligerent by the day.
We were in relegation fights when we had to sell our best players and had dubious points deductions. It would be some effort to get this squad relegated.
This is bizarre. Self-preservation is all this guy is interested in. Cup winners get a trophy and can earn a European place which this club should strive for.
Moyes is becoming more belligerent by the day.
Mark Ryan
63 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:31:53
63 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:31:53
John @30.
If I knew we would 100% never compete in the cups and were only ever aiming to stay mid-table and never win anything, I'd take relegation to the Conference because really, what's the fucking point???
If you don't aim to win every game, you should hang your head. Any sport I've ever played in, whether that was Rugby League playing for Widnes U11s, Cricket for my school and South Yorks U16s, Rugby Union for my school and South Yorkshire U18s, or Cricket for the local village team, I play to win.
Moyes is a total prick for not saying "We'll give it a really good go this season" -- even if he doesn't really mean it. Give us all some hope, you miserable twat. Does he mean to fuck us all off before the season has started? Dour tosspot.
UTFTs without Moyes.
If I knew we would 100% never compete in the cups and were only ever aiming to stay mid-table and never win anything, I'd take relegation to the Conference because really, what's the fucking point???
If you don't aim to win every game, you should hang your head. Any sport I've ever played in, whether that was Rugby League playing for Widnes U11s, Cricket for my school and South Yorks U16s, Rugby Union for my school and South Yorkshire U18s, or Cricket for the local village team, I play to win.
Moyes is a total prick for not saying "We'll give it a really good go this season" -- even if he doesn't really mean it. Give us all some hope, you miserable twat. Does he mean to fuck us all off before the season has started? Dour tosspot.
UTFTs without Moyes.
Kevin Molloy
64 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:36:01
64 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:36:01
I think he's been doing that, Tony. I think it's clear he's not getting on with Angus. He knows that that will ultimately mean he's shown the door.
He didn't need to do that. I think he's showing the fans that these people are not to be trusted.
He didn't need to do that. I think he's showing the fans that these people are not to be trusted.
Rob Hooton
65 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:36:02
65 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:36:02
Stan Grace, cracking post with shockingly bad stats regarding our early exits from both cups.
As you wrote, our best cup runs coincided with some of our best league finishes, showing how important confidence and consistency are.
I also believe that the more matches you play, the fitter and more ‘on it' you get, to a certain extent -- look at how often we play teams that played in Europe a few days earlier and you'd think we would be the fresher team, only to get rings run round us and look like the most knackered, lethargic team on the pitch.
The long breaks always seem to come at the wrong time for us, just as we are building up a head of steam. Let's not have those boring long breaks and have cups to play for, for fuck's sake!!
As you wrote, our best cup runs coincided with some of our best league finishes, showing how important confidence and consistency are.
I also believe that the more matches you play, the fitter and more ‘on it' you get, to a certain extent -- look at how often we play teams that played in Europe a few days earlier and you'd think we would be the fresher team, only to get rings run round us and look like the most knackered, lethargic team on the pitch.
The long breaks always seem to come at the wrong time for us, just as we are building up a head of steam. Let's not have those boring long breaks and have cups to play for, for fuck's sake!!
Gregory Shaw
66 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:36:55
66 Posted 25/08/2026 at 18:36:55
If he messes about with the team too much tomorrow and we lose, the fans will have a field day.
He has no respect for us. His interview after the Spurs match proved that.
He should have been sacked then. He has no ambition. Not good enough for our club. Get rid.
He has no respect for us. His interview after the Spurs match proved that.
He should have been sacked then. He has no ambition. Not good enough for our club. Get rid.
Sean Herbert
67 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:07:29
67 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:07:29
No defending of Moyes can change the fact his cup record is atrocious.
He didn't win a cup in his first stint and is unlikely to make winning one a priority this time around.
He revels in talk of his managerial longevity, but bristles at mention of his cup failings. Typical Moyes.
He hasn't been given the money to succeed, he is building a squad, he inherited a poor squad etc, etc.
At the end of the day, he is a bang-average manager with no ambition other than Premier League survival.
The really sad part is that he has been able to convince some fans that mediocrity is success and no one else could match his achievements. The arrogance of the man knows no bounds.
He didn't win a cup in his first stint and is unlikely to make winning one a priority this time around.
He revels in talk of his managerial longevity, but bristles at mention of his cup failings. Typical Moyes.
He hasn't been given the money to succeed, he is building a squad, he inherited a poor squad etc, etc.
At the end of the day, he is a bang-average manager with no ambition other than Premier League survival.
The really sad part is that he has been able to convince some fans that mediocrity is success and no one else could match his achievements. The arrogance of the man knows no bounds.
Kunal Desai
68 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:22:49
68 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:22:49
Everyone's a winner here.
Moyes gets paid handsomely to keep the stability going. TFG get a stable Premier League club with another year of increased revenue.
Why would TFG give Moyes anymore funds? He'll stabalise the club with the current players and will leave at the end of the season. Everyone's a winner.
Ambition? What's that!
Moyes gets paid handsomely to keep the stability going. TFG get a stable Premier League club with another year of increased revenue.
Why would TFG give Moyes anymore funds? He'll stabalise the club with the current players and will leave at the end of the season. Everyone's a winner.
Ambition? What's that!
Derek Knox
69 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:33:38
69 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:33:38
Not too long before the "Moyes Out" banners appearing?
Quite rightly so, in my humble opinion!
Quite rightly so, in my humble opinion!
Tony Hughes
70 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:42:47
70 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:42:47
How can a good run in the cups, half a dozen games or so, affect the Premier League performances so badly?
So what are we saying here? We can never qualify for Europe because we've got to worry about a Euro campaign fucking the Premier League up?
I know... let's just maintain our mundane, souless stability in Premier League: no hope, excitement or aspiration... just set that bar low, step over it, and claim a job done.
Stability, eh? Rinse and repeat.
So what are we saying here? We can never qualify for Europe because we've got to worry about a Euro campaign fucking the Premier League up?
I know... let's just maintain our mundane, souless stability in Premier League: no hope, excitement or aspiration... just set that bar low, step over it, and claim a job done.
Stability, eh? Rinse and repeat.
Christy Ring
71 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:58:51
71 Posted 25/08/2026 at 19:58:51
Listening to Moyes, be satisfied with a place in the Premier League, and forget about any cup run.
That's his definition of 'ambition'.
That's his definition of 'ambition'.
Mark Murphy
72 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:02:37
72 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:02:37
I played for Trev's Vets over 50s but I don't like to mention it. But I'd honestly prefer Moyes to target the cups this season and play our stronger sides in the cups.
We're not getting Top 6 and we're not getting relegated -- rotate in the Premier League and go strong in the cups!
We're not getting Top 6 and we're not getting relegated -- rotate in the Premier League and go strong in the cups!
Mark Murphy
73 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:16:03
73 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:16:03
Billy @60,
He rotated the team against Wolves last season, and we lost and went out with a whimper. And btw, Wolves rotated even more than we did that night -- we still had what many of us would consider enough to win that game.
It's the message he's projecting that we aren't arsed about the cups. The same 11 (less Branthwaite) that played Saturday should start and be rotated only when we're 2-0 to the good at least.
He rotated the team against Wolves last season, and we lost and went out with a whimper. And btw, Wolves rotated even more than we did that night -- we still had what many of us would consider enough to win that game.
It's the message he's projecting that we aren't arsed about the cups. The same 11 (less Branthwaite) that played Saturday should start and be rotated only when we're 2-0 to the good at least.
Tony Abrahams
74 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:22:36
74 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:22:36
If he feels that they’re going to show him the door then surely he should just come out and criticise them anyway, Kevin, because what exactly is there to be scared of if they’re going to get rid of him anyway, mate?
I know there’s two sides to everything but to hear the manager of Everton, get so defensive after being asked if he wanted to win a cup was totally embarrassing imo.
He has obviously tried to belittle the reporter who asked him the question but he has just ended up belittling himself and the overall ambitions of Everton Football Club, imo mate.
I couldn’t agree with you anymore Mark@72, because the only thing that helps to keep a football club relevant outside of it’s own fanbase, is winning trophies
I know there’s two sides to everything but to hear the manager of Everton, get so defensive after being asked if he wanted to win a cup was totally embarrassing imo.
He has obviously tried to belittle the reporter who asked him the question but he has just ended up belittling himself and the overall ambitions of Everton Football Club, imo mate.
I couldn’t agree with you anymore Mark@72, because the only thing that helps to keep a football club relevant outside of it’s own fanbase, is winning trophies
Jim Bennings
75 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:23:43
75 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:23:43
Everton Football Club have for years had an allergy to success, well at least success that shows at the end of it a big silver trophy.
Success has been modified into relief nowadays, relief that we have managed to survive again, relief to hit 40 points by mid April.
Moyes does nothing just change this mindset and narrative.
For me he had one shot at bringing this club a trophy, that 2009 FA Cup Final on May 30th against a very good but wounded and smarting Chelsea side.
Yes we were short that day of three key components in Jagielka, Arteta and Yakubu, but once we took the lead in the first 20 seconds we almost instantly reverted to sitting deep, fear again overriding a will and desire to win.
I somehow don't see that ever changing while Moyes is here.
He was an unknown quantity when he arrived in 2002, a fresh enthusiastic young face after Walter Smith's rather turbulent and mostly dour 4 years.
After that 11 years of no success for Moyes though, his limitations have long since been exposed and laid bare which is why statements like this one come as no surprise.
Success has been modified into relief nowadays, relief that we have managed to survive again, relief to hit 40 points by mid April.
Moyes does nothing just change this mindset and narrative.
For me he had one shot at bringing this club a trophy, that 2009 FA Cup Final on May 30th against a very good but wounded and smarting Chelsea side.
Yes we were short that day of three key components in Jagielka, Arteta and Yakubu, but once we took the lead in the first 20 seconds we almost instantly reverted to sitting deep, fear again overriding a will and desire to win.
I somehow don't see that ever changing while Moyes is here.
He was an unknown quantity when he arrived in 2002, a fresh enthusiastic young face after Walter Smith's rather turbulent and mostly dour 4 years.
After that 11 years of no success for Moyes though, his limitations have long since been exposed and laid bare which is why statements like this one come as no surprise.
Kevin Molloy
76 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:37:47
76 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:37:47
it's a stupid question though isn't it Tony? they are treating him like someone who has a case to answer. And he doesn't. He's doing a good job. He's not being given any money, but the squad looks better now than it has for years. And we have kids coming through. Why should he be getting asked questions like 'do you really want to win this cup'. He's right to bristle about it.
As to why doesn't he throw himself on his sword, he likes being Everton manager. I think he's done more than enough to show people who Angus and his mates are.
As to why doesn't he throw himself on his sword, he likes being Everton manager. I think he's done more than enough to show people who Angus and his mates are.
Kevin Prytherch
77 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:49:15
77 Posted 25/08/2026 at 20:49:15
Football manager says that staying in the premier league is more important than winning the league cup - he’s right.
Not sure what everyone’s issue is.
Not sure what everyone’s issue is.
Paul Hewitt
78 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:01:26
78 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:01:26
Kevin. I'd rather win a cup and get relegated. If our ambition is just to stay up and try not to win anything Then what's the point ?
Christy Ring
79 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:07:44
79 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:07:44
It definitely won't change his mindset, whatever team he picks tomorrow night, he won't pick Branthwaite, which I completely understand, but if O'Brien doesn't start I'd be worried, especially as Keane is the only backup centreback we have, and all the talk of a new fullback and striker, looks dead in the water. It does seem TFG, Kinnear and Moyes are at loggerheads?
Tony Abrahams
80 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:10:43
80 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:10:43
I completely and unexpectedly disagree with everything that you have just said Kevin, except the bit where you said he likes managing Everton Football Club, mate.
He’s made an absolute fortune out of managing Everton, without ever having any real expectations put upon himself, and I think this came right through in his answer to a very legitimate question, imo.
What’s stupid about asking a manager, who has mostly made a career out of steering his team’s to what is perceived to be a respectable league position, if he had any real interest in trying to win a cup?
Kenwright was more interested in the premier league money than glory and he found the perfect fit and now it’s beginning to look like The Friedkin’s, are no different.
It suited Moyes, to play this game under Kenwright, will it suit him to play the same game now?
If that’s what had happened then I don’t think this would have registered much interest Kevin P, but it was Moyes, who turned the question on its head when he embarrassingly brought relegation into the conversation.
He’s at the wind-up Stan, in the post below!
He’s made an absolute fortune out of managing Everton, without ever having any real expectations put upon himself, and I think this came right through in his answer to a very legitimate question, imo.
What’s stupid about asking a manager, who has mostly made a career out of steering his team’s to what is perceived to be a respectable league position, if he had any real interest in trying to win a cup?
Kenwright was more interested in the premier league money than glory and he found the perfect fit and now it’s beginning to look like The Friedkin’s, are no different.
It suited Moyes, to play this game under Kenwright, will it suit him to play the same game now?
If that’s what had happened then I don’t think this would have registered much interest Kevin P, but it was Moyes, who turned the question on its head when he embarrassingly brought relegation into the conversation.
He’s at the wind-up Stan, in the post below!
Stan Grace
81 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:15:37
81 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:15:37
Kevin #77,
"Football manager says that staying in the premier league is more important than winning the league cup - he’s right.
Not sure what everyone’s issue is."
If you read my post #47, especially the last paragraph, you'll see what everyone's issue is.
"Football manager says that staying in the premier league is more important than winning the league cup - he’s right.
Not sure what everyone’s issue is."
If you read my post #47, especially the last paragraph, you'll see what everyone's issue is.
Jim Bennings
82 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:24:26
82 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:24:26
Everton Football Club should be about more than staying in the Premier League.
FFS there's not a cat in hells chance this team gets relegated even with limited striking options and no right back.
Try and win something and stop fearing the drop
FFS there's not a cat in hells chance this team gets relegated even with limited striking options and no right back.
Try and win something and stop fearing the drop
Nigel Scowen
83 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:27:10
83 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:27:10
Paul@78
‘I'd rather win a cup and get relegated’, what a load of absolute shite!!! Who are we fucking Wigan or something.
We have spent more years in the top flight than any other club, it’s a record to be cherished, proud of and yes protected. Also at no point has anyone ever said that our only ambition should be to just stay up and not win anything, let’s keep it real shall we.
‘I'd rather win a cup and get relegated’, what a load of absolute shite!!! Who are we fucking Wigan or something.
We have spent more years in the top flight than any other club, it’s a record to be cherished, proud of and yes protected. Also at no point has anyone ever said that our only ambition should be to just stay up and not win anything, let’s keep it real shall we.
Kevin Molloy
84 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:29:53
84 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:29:53
we'll have to disagree on this Tony. You make it sound like his 12 years at Everton was the equivalent of a walk in the park in his slippers. Football management is one of the most demanding jobs out there, and he got us consistently top six with no money. The moment he started slipping he would have been for the chop. And the money he made at Everton was the going rate, other teams would have paid similar.
It's worth I think distinguishing between the milk and the fa cup. I think ;he was always going to prioritise the game at the weekend, so our participation in the milk cup would suffer from fielding a few reserves, but the FA cup, I'm sure ne's always wanted to win that. I think his whole take on both cups was spot on. I certainly wouldn't have wanted him playing Arteta against Grimsby and then. getting beat by Charlton at the weekend.
It's worth I think distinguishing between the milk and the fa cup. I think ;he was always going to prioritise the game at the weekend, so our participation in the milk cup would suffer from fielding a few reserves, but the FA cup, I'm sure ne's always wanted to win that. I think his whole take on both cups was spot on. I certainly wouldn't have wanted him playing Arteta against Grimsby and then. getting beat by Charlton at the weekend.
Tony Abrahams
85 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:31:54
85 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:31:54
Nigel, I understand what you’re saying mate, but since Boxing Day 1999, Everton, have been very reminiscent of the Coventry City I remember from my childhood.
Nigel Scowen
86 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:44:54
86 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:44:54
Yes I agree Tony but getting relegated would be completely catastrophic, my point would be and what Moyes should have said (someone else mentioned this previously) is that we should strive for both success in the cups AND stability in the EPL, including getting into Europe via league positions. As usual he did a poor job in answering quite an innocent question from the media.
But rather win a cup and get relegated……for the love of God!!!
But rather win a cup and get relegated……for the love of God!!!
Paul Hewitt
87 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:47:12
87 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:47:12
Football is about memories Nigel, I have many from the 80's Now it's just bloody boring.
Stan Grace
88 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:55:11
88 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:55:11
Kevin #84,
"I certainly wouldn't have wanted him playing Arteta against Grimsby and then getting beat by Charlton at the weekend."
But that's not what happened. We did better in the League the further he went in the cups, especially the FA one. So Moyes himself demonstrated in his first spell that's it's worth trying to do well in both league and cup.
So Moyes whole take on both cups was the opposite of spot on.
"I certainly wouldn't have wanted him playing Arteta against Grimsby and then getting beat by Charlton at the weekend."
But that's not what happened. We did better in the League the further he went in the cups, especially the FA one. So Moyes himself demonstrated in his first spell that's it's worth trying to do well in both league and cup.
So Moyes whole take on both cups was the opposite of spot on.
Christy Ring
89 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:55:40
89 Posted 25/08/2026 at 21:55:40
Speaking of cups, Celtic went 0-1 up tonight (4-0) on agg, 4-4 now extratime, unbelievable Jeff.
Tony Abrahams
90 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:03:57
90 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:03:57
Football management can’t be easy Kevin, but it’s very well paid and it’s a complete myth that Moyes, never got any money. Ask any manager what they would like the most and I’m sure 99% of them would say time, and whilst Moyes, never got loads of money, he definitely got a lot more time than anyone.
Eighth highest wage bill, or was it sometimes ninth? wasn’t really punching above his weight that much, especially with his pathetic record in the cup competitions (both domestically and whenever we were lucky enough to qualify for Europe) but the arguments have already been done to death a thousand times.
I thought his arrogance got the better of him Kevin, and if he really has got a genuine gripe with the owners, then coming out and saying it rather than dismissing that reporter has being stupid, would have definitely got him a lot more support off most Evertonians, imo mate.
It’s not easy, we need more players, but if there is one thing I’d love to do, now I’m lucky enough to be managing Everton again, would be to win a trophy for those fantastically loyal Evertonians.
If David read’s ToffeeWeb, then maybe he’ll consider me to be his ghostwriter Kevin!!
Leeds turned over Forest again Christy, reminding me of the time Everton, went to Upton Park, twice in the space of four/five days, knocking West Ham out the league cup and then beating them in the league again on the Saturday.
Eighth highest wage bill, or was it sometimes ninth? wasn’t really punching above his weight that much, especially with his pathetic record in the cup competitions (both domestically and whenever we were lucky enough to qualify for Europe) but the arguments have already been done to death a thousand times.
I thought his arrogance got the better of him Kevin, and if he really has got a genuine gripe with the owners, then coming out and saying it rather than dismissing that reporter has being stupid, would have definitely got him a lot more support off most Evertonians, imo mate.
It’s not easy, we need more players, but if there is one thing I’d love to do, now I’m lucky enough to be managing Everton again, would be to win a trophy for those fantastically loyal Evertonians.
If David read’s ToffeeWeb, then maybe he’ll consider me to be his ghostwriter Kevin!!
Leeds turned over Forest again Christy, reminding me of the time Everton, went to Upton Park, twice in the space of four/five days, knocking West Ham out the league cup and then beating them in the league again on the Saturday.
Nigel Scowen
91 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:10:27
91 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:10:27
Paul@87
Me too Paul, and I truly felt sorry for the likes of Sean Kearns when he commented that he had never seen any success such as we enjoyed in the 80’s but staying in the EPL is the most important thing nowadays like it or not.
The importance of the cups has hugely diminished over the years to the extent that there are some teams that would rather finish 4 and get in the Champions League than actually win a cup.
Dreadful but that’s how football has changed I'm afraid, it’s all about the EPL and I think that is what Moyes was clumsily trying to articulate. Like I said he should have said that we going for a high league position and Cup success.
I can’t remember who won the FA Cup 3 years ago but I can remember who won it in 1978.
Me too Paul, and I truly felt sorry for the likes of Sean Kearns when he commented that he had never seen any success such as we enjoyed in the 80’s but staying in the EPL is the most important thing nowadays like it or not.
The importance of the cups has hugely diminished over the years to the extent that there are some teams that would rather finish 4 and get in the Champions League than actually win a cup.
Dreadful but that’s how football has changed I'm afraid, it’s all about the EPL and I think that is what Moyes was clumsily trying to articulate. Like I said he should have said that we going for a high league position and Cup success.
I can’t remember who won the FA Cup 3 years ago but I can remember who won it in 1978.
Jamie Gentry
92 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:14:38
92 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:14:38
So I bought a Volkswagen Polo brand new last year. I didn't drive it much because, compared to my other cars, it didn't really perform as well.
However, luckily, a grub loving Greek chap, who was obviously 3 lumps of feta short of a salad, bought that Polo for 20 grand more than I paid for it. Happy day!
I wouldn't do business like that and I certainly wouldn't want our club to either. We will get 3-4 more bodies in and they will hopefully improve our squad.
If we can sell Beto for £50M to a gullible Greek, then I'll smash plates in a Kefi jig with the rest of the bluenoses out there... but I won't lose any sleep over this transfer. UTFT!
However, luckily, a grub loving Greek chap, who was obviously 3 lumps of feta short of a salad, bought that Polo for 20 grand more than I paid for it. Happy day!
I wouldn't do business like that and I certainly wouldn't want our club to either. We will get 3-4 more bodies in and they will hopefully improve our squad.
If we can sell Beto for £50M to a gullible Greek, then I'll smash plates in a Kefi jig with the rest of the bluenoses out there... but I won't lose any sleep over this transfer. UTFT!
Tony Abrahams
93 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:16:36
93 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:16:36
Roger Osborne scored the goal and I'm sure David Geddis, ended up signing for Villa on the strength of his display that day!
I'd genuinely take getting relegated this season if Everton, could regain automatic promotion and win the cup next season. What a fucking year that would turn out to be!!!
I'd genuinely take getting relegated this season if Everton, could regain automatic promotion and win the cup next season. What a fucking year that would turn out to be!!!
Kevin Molloy
94 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:17:20
94 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:17:20
Tony, the only money he got was what he could generate from selling his own players. That was why Kenwright loved him.
It's what always happens with him, his good work is then used to hit him over the head. He steers us from relegation to 13th? Then that 13th place is used as a stick to beat him with when we finish in the same place the following season, despite us fighting relegation for years.
He has good young players coming through, but he's not congratulated for creating the atmosphere where they can thrive -- no, it's 'he'd better not get in their way. He'd better not crush them'.
I've seen Everton under Rafa, Dyche, Lampard just head into a nose dive into the rocks. We get a year of progress, and he gets more stick than any of them.
It's what always happens with him, his good work is then used to hit him over the head. He steers us from relegation to 13th? Then that 13th place is used as a stick to beat him with when we finish in the same place the following season, despite us fighting relegation for years.
He has good young players coming through, but he's not congratulated for creating the atmosphere where they can thrive -- no, it's 'he'd better not get in their way. He'd better not crush them'.
I've seen Everton under Rafa, Dyche, Lampard just head into a nose dive into the rocks. We get a year of progress, and he gets more stick than any of them.
Si Cooper
95 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:42:32
95 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:42:32
It's certainly not the either / or question Moyes warped it into. Very worrying if he thinks going on a cup run would see us crashing out of the Premier League, so not a sensible response at all.
It's also not a given that all managers will be approaching all available competitions with a good attitude. You would certainly forgive a manager of a small club for prioritising league survival if that benefits his club more than anything else.
Moyes is just, as usual, doing his best to lower expectations so he can continue to enjoy the adulation of the easily pleased.
It's also not a given that all managers will be approaching all available competitions with a good attitude. You would certainly forgive a manager of a small club for prioritising league survival if that benefits his club more than anything else.
Moyes is just, as usual, doing his best to lower expectations so he can continue to enjoy the adulation of the easily pleased.
Jamie Gentry
96 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:43:33
96 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:43:33
Agreed Kevin Molloy, I would have loved to have seen some of our past managers given a war chest to prove what they can do.
Unfortunately, Ancelotti, Dyche, Lampard etc could never compete or hope to bring in the talent that any manager worth half his salt knows would improve our squad.
We have the smallest squad and we are spending on a similar level to the promoted teams. The owners need to give Moyes a licence to improve every position at every opportunity... then we can judge him.
Only then can you truly fail as a manager, when you build a team from the top of the treetops. Moyes has always over- achieved with very little, whereas Pep, Mourino and Kenny Dalglish have been backed to the hilt.
Before he left, I honestly thought we were almost there, that was without any money. Let's see if these owners give him something to work with and then judge.
Unfortunately, Ancelotti, Dyche, Lampard etc could never compete or hope to bring in the talent that any manager worth half his salt knows would improve our squad.
We have the smallest squad and we are spending on a similar level to the promoted teams. The owners need to give Moyes a licence to improve every position at every opportunity... then we can judge him.
Only then can you truly fail as a manager, when you build a team from the top of the treetops. Moyes has always over- achieved with very little, whereas Pep, Mourino and Kenny Dalglish have been backed to the hilt.
Before he left, I honestly thought we were almost there, that was without any money. Let's see if these owners give him something to work with and then judge.
Brendan McLaughlin
97 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:46:23
97 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:46:23
Stan #88
If there's a link between doing well in the cups and doing well in the league... why do most of the Champions League chasing clubs often play a "weakened" team in the cups?
If there's a link between doing well in the cups and doing well in the league... why do most of the Champions League chasing clubs often play a "weakened" team in the cups?
John Collins
98 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:52:50
98 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:52:50
Yet they still win both cups most years, Brendan.
Kenn Crawford
99 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:53:42
99 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:53:42
Hi all,
I don't think that David Moyes is a bad manager, I think he is a shit manager, as I have said before.
Over 2 periods, this is his 13th year with our beloved club and the only thing he has ever picked up is his pay packet. This is not good enough.
I for one will not settle for any more Moyesocrity. Get him gone!!
I don't think that David Moyes is a bad manager, I think he is a shit manager, as I have said before.
Over 2 periods, this is his 13th year with our beloved club and the only thing he has ever picked up is his pay packet. This is not good enough.
I for one will not settle for any more Moyesocrity. Get him gone!!
Brendan McLaughlin
100 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:57:13
100 Posted 25/08/2026 at 22:57:13
Exactly, John #98.
And more often than not, still qualify for the Champions League. Obviously there is no link.
And more often than not, still qualify for the Champions League. Obviously there is no link.
Les Callan
101 Posted 25/08/2026 at 23:36:48
101 Posted 25/08/2026 at 23:36:48
Christy @ 89. 5 - 1 to Lask !
Stu Gre
102 Posted 25/08/2026 at 23:52:47
102 Posted 25/08/2026 at 23:52:47
Kenn, personally, I would love to see a progressive manager in place, but unless Pep comes knocking, I don't think this is the time to change. It'd be suicide for anyone this close to transfer deadline day and with no preseason. Imagine the furore if he didn't do as well as it was perceived Moyes would do.
I wonder if this article illustrates the concerns about Moyes's reluctance (based on some opinions) to develop young players? The need to survive rather than win is probably easier if you aren't prepared to take risks, play the percentages, and fall back on tried and trusted.
One thing that has always concerned me was the lack of foundational innovation in our youth teams. Very few top quality players have come through our youth academy. Given the amount of time Moyes has been afforded, it is a real crime that we don't have a youth conveyer belt over the last 20 years.
Rooney? His development can't be attributed to Moyes, he was already developed.
Gordon? Maybe...
Rodwell, Barkley worth a mention. Baxter, Browning, Duffy. Not exactly Man City cast-offs.
It's a shame. Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea (and Wenger) have all shown the value of youth development -- not only to your team but to PSR, and given his tenure, you'd have thought his stability powers might have stretched to this.
I think Martinez tried to change things: accommodation at Finch Farm, different training techniques, focus on recovery to prevent burn-out and injuries.
I often wonder where we'd be if that crazily optimistically blind fool Roberto had been allowed to see out his master plan. I reckon we'd have won something, but he'd have been hated by some for a long time.
I also think our foundations would be much better for subsequent managers, but like I keep saying, unpicking the Moyes ways will take years.
I wonder if this article illustrates the concerns about Moyes's reluctance (based on some opinions) to develop young players? The need to survive rather than win is probably easier if you aren't prepared to take risks, play the percentages, and fall back on tried and trusted.
One thing that has always concerned me was the lack of foundational innovation in our youth teams. Very few top quality players have come through our youth academy. Given the amount of time Moyes has been afforded, it is a real crime that we don't have a youth conveyer belt over the last 20 years.
Rooney? His development can't be attributed to Moyes, he was already developed.
Gordon? Maybe...
Rodwell, Barkley worth a mention. Baxter, Browning, Duffy. Not exactly Man City cast-offs.
It's a shame. Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea (and Wenger) have all shown the value of youth development -- not only to your team but to PSR, and given his tenure, you'd have thought his stability powers might have stretched to this.
I think Martinez tried to change things: accommodation at Finch Farm, different training techniques, focus on recovery to prevent burn-out and injuries.
I often wonder where we'd be if that crazily optimistically blind fool Roberto had been allowed to see out his master plan. I reckon we'd have won something, but he'd have been hated by some for a long time.
I also think our foundations would be much better for subsequent managers, but like I keep saying, unpicking the Moyes ways will take years.
John Collins
103 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:16:41
103 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:16:41
Win it "With weakened teams" was my point Brendan
Brian Wilkinson
104 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:30:17
104 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:30:17
Listen, I'm all for a couple of changes to rest players, but we have only played 1 match.
Has he not learned from the Wolves cup game last season: pick your strongest 11, get the job done, then make changes.
Has he not learned from the Wolves cup game last season: pick your strongest 11, get the job done, then make changes.
Annika Herbert
105 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:36:37
105 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:36:37
A lot of Moyes backers blame a lack of funds for his failure to actually win anything. Or even challenge for anything, to be truly honest. They then claim that he had an awful squad to work with on his return.
Using that analogy, doesn't it follow suit that every manager who followed him failed at Everton, due to the shit Moyes left behind then?
Because you can't really say that Moyes inherited a terrible squad from Dyche, but left a top squad for Martinez etc.
Moyes wasn't short of money at Man Utd and failed miserably there too. He spent money at West Ham Utd, but achieved no domestic success.
Thirty years of lining his pockets with little intention of anything other than Premier League survival.
Why didn't Moyes answer the reporter's question by explaining exactly what has gone wrong in the cups during his near 13-year stint with Everton? Maybe then his reply might have been more palatable.
Using that analogy, doesn't it follow suit that every manager who followed him failed at Everton, due to the shit Moyes left behind then?
Because you can't really say that Moyes inherited a terrible squad from Dyche, but left a top squad for Martinez etc.
Moyes wasn't short of money at Man Utd and failed miserably there too. He spent money at West Ham Utd, but achieved no domestic success.
Thirty years of lining his pockets with little intention of anything other than Premier League survival.
Why didn't Moyes answer the reporter's question by explaining exactly what has gone wrong in the cups during his near 13-year stint with Everton? Maybe then his reply might have been more palatable.
Brendan McLaughlin
106 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:49:56
106 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:49:56
John #103
Stan was suggesting that treating the cups as importantly as the league was somehow beneficial to a team's league performance.
You rightly pointed out that some clubs despite fielding their second string were still successful in the cups and I was suggesting that this approach also wasn't necessarily detrimental to their league placing.
Are we not basically saying the same thing? Or maybe you just weren't referencing Stan's post at all?
Stan was suggesting that treating the cups as importantly as the league was somehow beneficial to a team's league performance.
You rightly pointed out that some clubs despite fielding their second string were still successful in the cups and I was suggesting that this approach also wasn't necessarily detrimental to their league placing.
Are we not basically saying the same thing? Or maybe you just weren't referencing Stan's post at all?
Steve Brown
107 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:52:10
107 Posted 25/08/2026 at 00:52:10
The right question to ask the reporter was if fans would be happier finishing 13th and winning a cup, or 8th and not winning a cup.
Trying to play the relegation card when we have a net spend of £155M over the last 2 summers makes him look foolish.
Under Dyche, we made a net profit of £79.7M and he still kept us up.
Winning a cup also gets us into Europe, something dim Davie struggles to get his prickly, dour, loser head around.
Trying to play the relegation card when we have a net spend of £155M over the last 2 summers makes him look foolish.
Under Dyche, we made a net profit of £79.7M and he still kept us up.
Winning a cup also gets us into Europe, something dim Davie struggles to get his prickly, dour, loser head around.
Nicolas Piñon
108 Posted 25/08/2026 at 01:01:13
108 Posted 25/08/2026 at 01:01:13
Tomorrow is a must-win.
Moyes should be relieved we won on Saturday after that horrific start, but he suddenly gets pissed off at a journalist's question.
There's no excuses for not going through tomorrow having no injury concerns. Everybody knows.
Moyes should be relieved we won on Saturday after that horrific start, but he suddenly gets pissed off at a journalist's question.
There's no excuses for not going through tomorrow having no injury concerns. Everybody knows.
Brendan McLaughlin
109 Posted 25/08/2026 at 01:01:53
109 Posted 25/08/2026 at 01:01:53
Annika #105,
I can't remember where we finished when Moyes left... 7th perhaps.
When Moyes took over from Dyche, we were 17th and 1 point I think above the relegation zone. Surely even you can see there's a world of difference.
And don't get me wrong: I can certainly accept Dyche was operating under very different pressures from Moyes but that doesn't alter the fact that Martinez inherited a much better squad than Moyes did on his return.
I can't remember where we finished when Moyes left... 7th perhaps.
When Moyes took over from Dyche, we were 17th and 1 point I think above the relegation zone. Surely even you can see there's a world of difference.
And don't get me wrong: I can certainly accept Dyche was operating under very different pressures from Moyes but that doesn't alter the fact that Martinez inherited a much better squad than Moyes did on his return.
Don Alexander
110 Posted 25/08/2026 at 01:39:56
110 Posted 25/08/2026 at 01:39:56
Football fans across the board all want to see their teams entertain them with enough good results to win or qualify for a higher level.
As if the wants of fans count for anything to those losers who've owned us though.
Us lot, after a series of ultra-dubious owners bent on seeking to look after themselves above all else to the cost of us lot, have seen no success and precious little entertainment ever since the now utterly bent Premier League was created, with us as a major contributor with a very few other clubs, all of whom have won trophies and entertained their fans more than periodically ever since.
We're the worldwide known exceptions, long-since a mediocre club with no perceptible future except to be used by maybe a few aspirant players willing to consistently give it their all in a bid to be as soon as possible signed by a trophy winning team, whilst our 30 year trophy drought endures.
Friedkin and Moyes are content with that, both of them getting mega-richer by the day by being so content.
This season at Hill Dickenson Stadium (horrible name that it is), I only expect to be entertained by any rugby matches played there.
As if the wants of fans count for anything to those losers who've owned us though.
Us lot, after a series of ultra-dubious owners bent on seeking to look after themselves above all else to the cost of us lot, have seen no success and precious little entertainment ever since the now utterly bent Premier League was created, with us as a major contributor with a very few other clubs, all of whom have won trophies and entertained their fans more than periodically ever since.
We're the worldwide known exceptions, long-since a mediocre club with no perceptible future except to be used by maybe a few aspirant players willing to consistently give it their all in a bid to be as soon as possible signed by a trophy winning team, whilst our 30 year trophy drought endures.
Friedkin and Moyes are content with that, both of them getting mega-richer by the day by being so content.
This season at Hill Dickenson Stadium (horrible name that it is), I only expect to be entertained by any rugby matches played there.
Stan Grace
111 Posted 26/08/2026 at 02:08:55
111 Posted 26/08/2026 at 02:08:55
Brendan #97,
"If there's a link between doing well in the cups and doing well in the league... why do most of the Champions League chasing clubs often play a "weakened" team in the cups?"
At no point have I suggested such a link or mentioned other teams. In line with the focus of the article, I pointed out that Moyes had previously demonstrated that it's possible to finish higher up the league and go further in the cups the same season. In other words, Moyes suggesting the focus needs to be Premier League survival makes no sense.
Brendan #106,
"Stan was suggesting that treating the cups as importantly as the league was somehow beneficial to a team's league performance."
Again, I wasn't suggesting this. I was providing the facts that a good cup run for Moyes didn't lead to problems in Everton's League position.
Brendan, can you explain why we did so well in the cups and managed to finish 5th, 6th or 7th the same season? And why, if Moyes takes the cups seriously as he said in the interview, in 21 out of 25 cup campaigns his Everton teams didn't get beyond the 5th round?
"If there's a link between doing well in the cups and doing well in the league... why do most of the Champions League chasing clubs often play a "weakened" team in the cups?"
At no point have I suggested such a link or mentioned other teams. In line with the focus of the article, I pointed out that Moyes had previously demonstrated that it's possible to finish higher up the league and go further in the cups the same season. In other words, Moyes suggesting the focus needs to be Premier League survival makes no sense.
Brendan #106,
"Stan was suggesting that treating the cups as importantly as the league was somehow beneficial to a team's league performance."
Again, I wasn't suggesting this. I was providing the facts that a good cup run for Moyes didn't lead to problems in Everton's League position.
Brendan, can you explain why we did so well in the cups and managed to finish 5th, 6th or 7th the same season? And why, if Moyes takes the cups seriously as he said in the interview, in 21 out of 25 cup campaigns his Everton teams didn't get beyond the 5th round?
Eric Myles
112 Posted 26/08/2026 at 03:16:30
112 Posted 26/08/2026 at 03:16:30
Begs the question:
"Why didn't the other half dozen managers between Moyes win us a cup?"
"Why didn't the other half dozen managers between Moyes win us a cup?"
Paul Griffiths
113 Posted 26/08/2026 at 03:31:19
113 Posted 26/08/2026 at 03:31:19
Stu Gre (43): 'Why does staying in the Premier League and winning a cup have to be mutually exclusive?'
Thank you, Stu, for the best and most important sentence on this thread by a country mile. It's like Moyes wants to make it one or another. My God, he might actually be coming to terms with his very real limitations.
Sean Kearns (34): 'A lot of replies to my comment most likely coming from people who are fortunate enough to have seen us win something'.
Sorry fella like, there were precisely no replies directly addressed to your comment before #34. One after was shall we say, rather critical.
Jamie Gentry (92): 'So I bought a Volkswagen Polo brand new last year. I didn't drive it much because compared to my other cars.'
You clearly are a member of the gentry with your multiple cars. My question is, why on earth did you buy this Polo?
Thank you, Stu, for the best and most important sentence on this thread by a country mile. It's like Moyes wants to make it one or another. My God, he might actually be coming to terms with his very real limitations.
Sean Kearns (34): 'A lot of replies to my comment most likely coming from people who are fortunate enough to have seen us win something'.
Sorry fella like, there were precisely no replies directly addressed to your comment before #34. One after was shall we say, rather critical.
Jamie Gentry (92): 'So I bought a Volkswagen Polo brand new last year. I didn't drive it much because compared to my other cars.'
You clearly are a member of the gentry with your multiple cars. My question is, why on earth did you buy this Polo?
Alan J Thompson
114 Posted 26/08/2026 at 05:18:22
114 Posted 26/08/2026 at 05:18:22
I don't mean this as a defence or an attack on David Moyes but....Win a Cup?!?
What do you think this is... the '70s or '80s when a run in cup competitions meant a sizeable increase in revenue???
Since the inception of the Premier League, of which we were supposedly one of the five driving clubs, and present day TV revenue, they are just a fixture filler to, at best, test the strength and depth of your squad and younger players.
This may have started with Wenger, and I don't know if this is proved or disproved by the winners coming from what seems mostly the likes of Arsenal and Man City, a long way from the winners or finalists in the '60s, like Birmingham and Shrewsbury(?).
Personally, I don't think it does your reputation any good going out early, and the European competitions they qualify you for are not the biggest money spinners. However, I do think winning becomes a habit and perhaps marks you as something more than also-rans.
Would I put my strongest team out in the early rounds against lower division sides? Probably not... but it should be a team strong enough to win and sent out with that intention.
Strangely enough, just before starting this, I went through a drawer and found an old flag from the 1976 League Cup Finals which I bought outside the ground at the first Final. I had the cane confiscated by a copper at the turnstile.
By God, that was a dramatic week or two in both cups that I wouldn't have missed for the world... don't we have some sort of cup record in years ending in a 6?
What do you think this is... the '70s or '80s when a run in cup competitions meant a sizeable increase in revenue???
Since the inception of the Premier League, of which we were supposedly one of the five driving clubs, and present day TV revenue, they are just a fixture filler to, at best, test the strength and depth of your squad and younger players.
This may have started with Wenger, and I don't know if this is proved or disproved by the winners coming from what seems mostly the likes of Arsenal and Man City, a long way from the winners or finalists in the '60s, like Birmingham and Shrewsbury(?).
Personally, I don't think it does your reputation any good going out early, and the European competitions they qualify you for are not the biggest money spinners. However, I do think winning becomes a habit and perhaps marks you as something more than also-rans.
Would I put my strongest team out in the early rounds against lower division sides? Probably not... but it should be a team strong enough to win and sent out with that intention.
Strangely enough, just before starting this, I went through a drawer and found an old flag from the 1976 League Cup Finals which I bought outside the ground at the first Final. I had the cane confiscated by a copper at the turnstile.
By God, that was a dramatic week or two in both cups that I wouldn't have missed for the world... don't we have some sort of cup record in years ending in a 6?
Phil Smith
115 Posted 26/08/2026 at 05:31:05
115 Posted 26/08/2026 at 05:31:05
I'd play almost an entirely different first 11 for this with:
Travers
Patterson O'Brien Keane Aznou
Dibling Alcaraz Hackney George
Dewsbury-Hall
Beto
Travers
Patterson O'Brien Keane Aznou
Dibling Alcaraz Hackney George
Dewsbury-Hall
Beto
Steve Brown
116 Posted 26/08/2026 at 05:47:29
116 Posted 26/08/2026 at 05:47:29
A domestic cup has been won by Crystal Palace, Leicester City, Wigan Athletic, Portsmouth, Newcastle United, Swansea City, Birmingham City, Spurs, Middlesbrough and Blackburn Rovers in the last 25 years.
Winning a domestic cup qualifies you for Europe, and regular qualification for Europe increases revenue.
As Stu @ 43 says “Why does staying in the Premier League and winning a cup have to be mutually exclusive?”
The reason that it seems that way to many Everton fans is 30 years of dumbing down expectations. Now we see avoiding relegation as success and breaking into the top 10 as a triumph.
Winning a domestic cup qualifies you for Europe, and regular qualification for Europe increases revenue.
As Stu @ 43 says “Why does staying in the Premier League and winning a cup have to be mutually exclusive?”
The reason that it seems that way to many Everton fans is 30 years of dumbing down expectations. Now we see avoiding relegation as success and breaking into the top 10 as a triumph.
Steve Brown
117 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:00:31
117 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:00:31
Brendan @ 109, is there really a world of difference?
- 2023-24 season: 15th under Dyche (12th if points deducted are excluded).
- 2024-25 season: 13th under Dyche and then Moyes
- 2025-26 season: 13th under Moyes.
Where there is a world of difference is the net spend on transfers.
- Under Dyche, we made a net profit of £79.7M and he still kept us up.
- Under Moyes, we have a net spend of £155M (and counting).
- That is a spend variation of £235M rounded.
So who has really delivered when you factor in performance and transfer spend? To be honest, Dyche has out-performed Moyes to date. That is why Moyes has not been offered a deal extension to date.
- 2023-24 season: 15th under Dyche (12th if points deducted are excluded).
- 2024-25 season: 13th under Dyche and then Moyes
- 2025-26 season: 13th under Moyes.
Where there is a world of difference is the net spend on transfers.
- Under Dyche, we made a net profit of £79.7M and he still kept us up.
- Under Moyes, we have a net spend of £155M (and counting).
- That is a spend variation of £235M rounded.
So who has really delivered when you factor in performance and transfer spend? To be honest, Dyche has out-performed Moyes to date. That is why Moyes has not been offered a deal extension to date.
Paul Griffiths
118 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:26:05
118 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:26:05
Leeds and Palace allegedly in for our Jake O'Brien.
Paul Hewitt
119 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:36:09
119 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:36:09
Can't believe we are even considering selling Jake O'Brien.
He should be starting over Tarkowski.
He should be starting over Tarkowski.
Brendan McLaughlin
120 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:50:44
120 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:50:44
Fair enough, Stan #111.
Perhaps I read too much into your initial post. However, in your post #47 you did claim:
"So doing well in the cups actually had a positive effect on our league placing."
We don't actually know what effect, if any, doing well in the cups in those seasons had on our league placing. We could possibly have finished higher if we had not gone as far in the cups in those seasons.
Perhaps I read too much into your initial post. However, in your post #47 you did claim:
"So doing well in the cups actually had a positive effect on our league placing."
We don't actually know what effect, if any, doing well in the cups in those seasons had on our league placing. We could possibly have finished higher if we had not gone as far in the cups in those seasons.
Liam Mogan
121 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:52:36
121 Posted 26/08/2026 at 06:52:36
Over 100 posts about cups.
Moyes has only won 1 trophy.in nearly 30 years of management. And none at Everton.
It doesn't matter what he says or doesn't say about taking them serious, he won't be winning anything.
Not winning is his USP.
Moyes has only won 1 trophy.in nearly 30 years of management. And none at Everton.
It doesn't matter what he says or doesn't say about taking them serious, he won't be winning anything.
Not winning is his USP.
Brendan McLaughlin
122 Posted 26/08/2026 at 07:06:55
122 Posted 26/08/2026 at 07:06:55
Steve #117
The "world of difference" comment related to Annika's suggestion that there wasn't much difference between the team Martinez inherited from Moyes and the team Moyes inherited from Dyche.
I wasn't making any comparison between Moyes current and Dyche's recent tenure at Everton.
The "world of difference" comment related to Annika's suggestion that there wasn't much difference between the team Martinez inherited from Moyes and the team Moyes inherited from Dyche.
I wasn't making any comparison between Moyes current and Dyche's recent tenure at Everton.
Paul Griffiths
123 Posted 26/08/2026 at 07:07:47
123 Posted 26/08/2026 at 07:07:47
Moyes would not start O'Brien over Tarkowski, Paul.
I see one of the greatest ever Rugby League players died yesterday, and no, it wasn't Dolly Parton.
I see one of the greatest ever Rugby League players died yesterday, and no, it wasn't Dolly Parton.
Phil Roberts
124 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:08:09
124 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:08:09
John #38. Wigan, and we then went and signed their manager.
Hull. And both of them are in the last 15 years.
Nicholas -- no injury concerns??? What? Branthwaite is being nursed back to 38 games a season. Garner is out after a groin op. Irogebunam is out injured. Nørgaard has not played because of injury.
Hate to see what it would be like if we had an injury crisis.
Hull. And both of them are in the last 15 years.
Nicholas -- no injury concerns??? What? Branthwaite is being nursed back to 38 games a season. Garner is out after a groin op. Irogebunam is out injured. Nørgaard has not played because of injury.
Hate to see what it would be like if we had an injury crisis.
Ian Bennett
125 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:20:26
125 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:20:26
Annika @105, Of course Moyes was fighting one-handed with the financial constraints first time around, unless you're claiming that Bill Kenwright was a good owner who provided the right financial backing. So which was it in your opinion??
If Bill had backed him with serious money, then we would all have every right to ask why Moyes couldn't taken a good base to the next level. But that wasn't the case. Not even close.
The last 4 seasons of pitiful ambition of financial power, of a once elite institution, saw Everton sell more than it bought in every season.
With a net spend over his 11 years of less than £4M, which was a fraction of what top players were going for, Moyes delivered one of the best pound-for-pound teams in the Premier League from that meagre backing.
That's not my opinion, but the opinion of his fellow pros that backed him for League Manager three times in a 7-year period. Of anyone, they knew how hard it is to take a team forward, and for me, that speaks volumes of the challenges that he faced. Far more than the words of any disgruntled fan, including you.
Roberto and the next fella will have inherited a well balanced group of footballers that can be taken to the next level with financial backing and smart transfers. The accusations that he hasn't are clearly not true.
If Bill had backed him with serious money, then we would all have every right to ask why Moyes couldn't taken a good base to the next level. But that wasn't the case. Not even close.
The last 4 seasons of pitiful ambition of financial power, of a once elite institution, saw Everton sell more than it bought in every season.
With a net spend over his 11 years of less than £4M, which was a fraction of what top players were going for, Moyes delivered one of the best pound-for-pound teams in the Premier League from that meagre backing.
That's not my opinion, but the opinion of his fellow pros that backed him for League Manager three times in a 7-year period. Of anyone, they knew how hard it is to take a team forward, and for me, that speaks volumes of the challenges that he faced. Far more than the words of any disgruntled fan, including you.
Roberto and the next fella will have inherited a well balanced group of footballers that can be taken to the next level with financial backing and smart transfers. The accusations that he hasn't are clearly not true.
John Collins
126 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:21:53
126 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:21:53
That's definite proof of the dangers of competing in Cup competitions, Phil.
John Collins
127 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:25:57
127 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:25:57
Ian,
Given that CV, why do you reckon he considers his teams can't fight on two fronts, even after being backed financially?
Given that CV, why do you reckon he considers his teams can't fight on two fronts, even after being backed financially?
Paul Griffiths
128 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:35:15
128 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:35:15
Ian - 125 - WTF are you going over that old ground yet again and again and again again? It's no longer relevant. It was a long time ago. It was another Moyes.
This one is much older. Even more set in his ways. The oldest Premier League manager by 9 years. He looks spent. More wrinkles and crevices than W H Auden. Who gives a fuck what he did in 2005, 2008, or 2012? What is the relevance? It doesn't matter any more.
It's 2026. Last season was misery. Moyes -- Hurrah! -- got us to the same position as the season before. Hurrah! -- playing shite footy after a big spend in summer 2025.
It actually borders on desperation that someone -- you, Ian -- would turn to things from 15 to 20 years ago to, erm, make the case for Moyes in 2026...
Utter irrelevance. Moyesturbation of the highest right-hand order.
This one is much older. Even more set in his ways. The oldest Premier League manager by 9 years. He looks spent. More wrinkles and crevices than W H Auden. Who gives a fuck what he did in 2005, 2008, or 2012? What is the relevance? It doesn't matter any more.
It's 2026. Last season was misery. Moyes -- Hurrah! -- got us to the same position as the season before. Hurrah! -- playing shite footy after a big spend in summer 2025.
It actually borders on desperation that someone -- you, Ian -- would turn to things from 15 to 20 years ago to, erm, make the case for Moyes in 2026...
Utter irrelevance. Moyesturbation of the highest right-hand order.
Tony Abrahams
129 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:43:25
129 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:43:25
I thought Stan gave stats that showed the Everton teams under David Moyes often finished the season higher up the table when his team had a decent rather than a below-average cup run?
When I go to the game to watch Everton, it always feels better when I am going with optimism rather than out of a sense of duty. I have even started missing a few home games during the last few years, because there has been no optimism and that sense of duty is wearing very thin.
The new ground was meant to be a catalyst for a different, more aggressive Everton, befitting of the club from yesteryear. I didn't expect instant results but I did expect a change in the attitude of the people running the club; otherwise, what exactly was the point in moving away from Goodison in the first place?
I hope things change in the next few days, because just like it often felt under Moyes & Kenwright, it has suddenly begun to feel like it's “Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right” for a massive football club that doesn't seem to have any real sense of purpose beyond trying to stay in the top league.
When I go to the game to watch Everton, it always feels better when I am going with optimism rather than out of a sense of duty. I have even started missing a few home games during the last few years, because there has been no optimism and that sense of duty is wearing very thin.
The new ground was meant to be a catalyst for a different, more aggressive Everton, befitting of the club from yesteryear. I didn't expect instant results but I did expect a change in the attitude of the people running the club; otherwise, what exactly was the point in moving away from Goodison in the first place?
I hope things change in the next few days, because just like it often felt under Moyes & Kenwright, it has suddenly begun to feel like it's “Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right” for a massive football club that doesn't seem to have any real sense of purpose beyond trying to stay in the top league.
George Cumiskey
130 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:59:32
130 Posted 26/08/2026 at 08:59:32
Shouldn't you play your best team and try to win every match you play in?
Or am I being very naive? 🤔
Or am I being very naive? 🤔
Dave Abrahams
131 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:18:21
131 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:18:21
Moyes never tried to get away from Everton while Kenwright was making him one of the best-paid managers in Europe until his ego -- and what an ego he's got -- made him believe he could manage one of the top clubs in Europe...
He lasted about 9 months and the Man Utd fans were calling him “Bobbins” after about five or six months. Bobbins meant dogshite.
I thought he was a very average manager, if that, and his career record proves it. If you think differently, I imagine you are very easily pleased.
He lasted about 9 months and the Man Utd fans were calling him “Bobbins” after about five or six months. Bobbins meant dogshite.
I thought he was a very average manager, if that, and his career record proves it. If you think differently, I imagine you are very easily pleased.
Andy Meighan
132 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:46:18
132 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:46:18
So roughly translated, what he's basically said to Joe Thomas, who he's really got no time for, is, "Well, I can't really be arsed if we go out at Preston because ultimately it's the Premier League status that matters."
What a rude and condescending answer to a fairly obvious question! After listening to that and the way he suddenly got up and just left the presser, I am really expecting us to lose tonight.
What a rude and condescending answer to a fairly obvious question! After listening to that and the way he suddenly got up and just left the presser, I am really expecting us to lose tonight.
Steve Dowdeswell
133 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:48:09
133 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:48:09
So no cup run and mid table mediocrity this season is it?
Brian Wilkinson
134 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:48:41
134 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:48:41
Experience over class every time with Moyes.
Two good performances by our young lads, Hackney and Armstrong, but instead of praising them and encouraging them for the next game, he could not resist saying they would not have played, only for injuries.
He gave Rohl a chance at Villa Park, Man of the Match... dropped next game.
Stuck O'Brien at right-back for most of last season; now, because O'Brien has said he wants to play in his normal position, he gets made available to be sold.
Keane got a 3-match ban last season, O'Brien moved to centre-back, we never lost a game. As soon as Keane's ban ended, he was back in the team and O'Brien shifted to right back.
Every single one of us wanted to know the answer, which was a fair question, about going for the cups and silverwere. Moyes flipped at the question... is he so deluded that he thinks the squad we have now is in any real danger of the bottom three teams?
If Moyes's way of thinking still is it's better to finish 13th than have a cup run, then he needs to go. For too long now, Moyes has taken it for granted we should be happy about punching above our weight.
Name me one other manager anywhere near the top 14 teams that mentions relegation anywhere at the start of the season.
We've played just one Premier League game, let those players gel for the upcoming Bournemouth game rather than make 5 to 6 changes tonight.
On about putting Travers in... really? Pickford has only played 1 pre-season game and a league game, why change the goalkeeper?
Moreover, why change a winning team? Those fringe players will get their chance, but don't be making changes after just 1 game in, go for momentum and keep the feelgood factor going.
Go for a win. If we have a decent lead, then put some of the fringe players on, get the job done first.
One final thing on the matter: he will no doubt rotate. My guess is he will manage Branthwaite as a reason to rest him, but nailed on he will start both Keane and Tarkowski in the middle, no way is he rotating the convenient skipper.
Over to you, the fans going to the Preston game tonight. A nice loud chant of, "There's only one Jake O'Brien"... send a message loud and clear to Moyes and the board.
Two good performances by our young lads, Hackney and Armstrong, but instead of praising them and encouraging them for the next game, he could not resist saying they would not have played, only for injuries.
He gave Rohl a chance at Villa Park, Man of the Match... dropped next game.
Stuck O'Brien at right-back for most of last season; now, because O'Brien has said he wants to play in his normal position, he gets made available to be sold.
Keane got a 3-match ban last season, O'Brien moved to centre-back, we never lost a game. As soon as Keane's ban ended, he was back in the team and O'Brien shifted to right back.
Every single one of us wanted to know the answer, which was a fair question, about going for the cups and silverwere. Moyes flipped at the question... is he so deluded that he thinks the squad we have now is in any real danger of the bottom three teams?
If Moyes's way of thinking still is it's better to finish 13th than have a cup run, then he needs to go. For too long now, Moyes has taken it for granted we should be happy about punching above our weight.
Name me one other manager anywhere near the top 14 teams that mentions relegation anywhere at the start of the season.
We've played just one Premier League game, let those players gel for the upcoming Bournemouth game rather than make 5 to 6 changes tonight.
On about putting Travers in... really? Pickford has only played 1 pre-season game and a league game, why change the goalkeeper?
Moreover, why change a winning team? Those fringe players will get their chance, but don't be making changes after just 1 game in, go for momentum and keep the feelgood factor going.
Go for a win. If we have a decent lead, then put some of the fringe players on, get the job done first.
One final thing on the matter: he will no doubt rotate. My guess is he will manage Branthwaite as a reason to rest him, but nailed on he will start both Keane and Tarkowski in the middle, no way is he rotating the convenient skipper.
Over to you, the fans going to the Preston game tonight. A nice loud chant of, "There's only one Jake O'Brien"... send a message loud and clear to Moyes and the board.
Sean Herbert
135 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:50:29
135 Posted 26/08/2026 at 09:50:29
Ian @125 -- and Moyes's lack of achievements in his entire career make me sick of hearing fans like yourself defend him. He never had any money, he was hamstrung with a limited squad etc, etc.
He wasn't short of funds at Man Utd was he! So what was his excuse there? Don't tell me, he was left an ageing squad by Ferguson.
The fact remains that he has never won a domestic trophy in his entire career. The chance he did have to win one with Everton he blew because he reverted to type as soon as Everton scored.
So you can quote whatever you want from whatever year you so wish. Moyes has still made millions from being mediocre.
If he was so cash strapped at Everton and thought he could do so much more with increased backing, why didn't he quit and move on years before the Man Utd job?
Could it be he knew his limit and was happy to be mediocre? I know what I think..
He wasn't short of funds at Man Utd was he! So what was his excuse there? Don't tell me, he was left an ageing squad by Ferguson.
The fact remains that he has never won a domestic trophy in his entire career. The chance he did have to win one with Everton he blew because he reverted to type as soon as Everton scored.
So you can quote whatever you want from whatever year you so wish. Moyes has still made millions from being mediocre.
If he was so cash strapped at Everton and thought he could do so much more with increased backing, why didn't he quit and move on years before the Man Utd job?
Could it be he knew his limit and was happy to be mediocre? I know what I think..
Kim Vivian
136 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:04:13
136 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:04:13
Jay @15 -- not sure that's true.
Wasn't it Martinez? League Cup Semi-Final vs Man City.
Wasn't it Martinez? League Cup Semi-Final vs Man City.
Steve Brown
137 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:04:39
137 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:04:39
Funny that the fear of relegation is being used as a rationale for not challenging for a domestic cup.
We've spent £155M net on new players since summer 2025. Crystal Palace's net spend over the last 3 years is £69M but they have somehow managed to win the FA Cup, Charity Shield and the European Conference League in the same period.
How did they survive?
We've spent £155M net on new players since summer 2025. Crystal Palace's net spend over the last 3 years is £69M but they have somehow managed to win the FA Cup, Charity Shield and the European Conference League in the same period.
How did they survive?
John Collins
138 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:10:37
138 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:10:37
I've just checked, Steve.
Palace are still in the Premier League.
Palace are still in the Premier League.
Ian Bennett
139 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:11:29
139 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:11:29
Paul, it was a response to 105. If there was raking of old ground, it was there, mate.
Or did you look the other way when reading that...
Or did you look the other way when reading that...
James Marshall
140 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:14:36
140 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:14:36
Here's the crux of it - supporters and managers come at this from a very different viewpoint, more so now than ever.
Supporters want to play sparkling football and win cups. Managers are under enormous pressure from the club owners to steer a steady ship and keep it in the Premier League for one reason only - money. Large amounts of money.
The manager is the fall guy because he has to attempt to placate both parties. Which is not possible, particularly for a club like Everton, with a fanbase desperate to win a trophy, and an owner desperate for a return on his investment.
Moyes is stuck in the middle. His brief when taking over will have been simple - establish Everton as a club no longer flirting with relegation every year. Supporters see it differently. They see a shiny new stadium, and a new owner with lots of money so want to see instant delivery of new players and success.
That's just not realistic. We're streets behind the so call 'big clubs' in terms of revenue and support in the modern game. Moyes won't be here forever, and our current situation is not his doing. He's a very easy target, but the bigger picture is always more than what the manager says in a press conference.
Supporters want to play sparkling football and win cups. Managers are under enormous pressure from the club owners to steer a steady ship and keep it in the Premier League for one reason only - money. Large amounts of money.
The manager is the fall guy because he has to attempt to placate both parties. Which is not possible, particularly for a club like Everton, with a fanbase desperate to win a trophy, and an owner desperate for a return on his investment.
Moyes is stuck in the middle. His brief when taking over will have been simple - establish Everton as a club no longer flirting with relegation every year. Supporters see it differently. They see a shiny new stadium, and a new owner with lots of money so want to see instant delivery of new players and success.
That's just not realistic. We're streets behind the so call 'big clubs' in terms of revenue and support in the modern game. Moyes won't be here forever, and our current situation is not his doing. He's a very easy target, but the bigger picture is always more than what the manager says in a press conference.
Andrew Ellams
141 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:14:40
141 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:14:40
Kim @136, it was.
Martinez got us to the semi-finals of both cup competitions.
Martinez got us to the semi-finals of both cup competitions.
Raymond Fox
142 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:19:52
142 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:19:52
Although there is time yet to sign players it's not looking too optimistic at the moment.
As things are if any part of the club needs criticism it's the owners, we have no proof of course but it does not look like they have okayed lots of money to improve the squad.
Any manager will want the best players he can get his hands on, he would be barmy not to, so I think it's a safe bet it wont be Moyes fault if we don't sign a class player or two.
I understand a lot of the criticism Moyes gets I just think it's a bit over the top sometimes, all the so-called top/best managers have squads stuffed with the best players on the planet, they make the managers look good.
Don't get me wrong some managers are bound to be better than others but you also need quality players to win things.
As things are if any part of the club needs criticism it's the owners, we have no proof of course but it does not look like they have okayed lots of money to improve the squad.
Any manager will want the best players he can get his hands on, he would be barmy not to, so I think it's a safe bet it wont be Moyes fault if we don't sign a class player or two.
I understand a lot of the criticism Moyes gets I just think it's a bit over the top sometimes, all the so-called top/best managers have squads stuffed with the best players on the planet, they make the managers look good.
Don't get me wrong some managers are bound to be better than others but you also need quality players to win things.
Kevin Molloy
143 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:29:11
143 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:29:11
Raymond, yes, our standard bids for players is currently hovering at around the £15M mark, which is laughable.
World class, my arse.
World class, my arse.
Brendan McLaughlin
144 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:32:27
144 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:32:27
I think Alan #114 and James #140 pretty much nail it.
Brian Harrison
145 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:37:48
145 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:37:48
I think most fans would have expected a right back to be the main priority, yet still no movement on that and our other priority was a striker.
We have 4 wide players and could end up with 5 if Grealish comes back.
So at least 2 are going to be bench warmers, also looks like Barry will be our main striker as it stands, he has so many deficiencies in his game I find it unbelievable that we are relying on him.
Rumour is that Jake O'Brien may be sold which, given the ages of Tarkowski and Keane, would surely be madness. He isn't a right-back but he has never let us down playing out of position, and for that, he could be sold.
I thought last season Tarkowski was showing signs of getting slower and caught out more defensively but getting the captain's armband would suggest he will start most games.
We have 4 wide players and could end up with 5 if Grealish comes back.
So at least 2 are going to be bench warmers, also looks like Barry will be our main striker as it stands, he has so many deficiencies in his game I find it unbelievable that we are relying on him.
Rumour is that Jake O'Brien may be sold which, given the ages of Tarkowski and Keane, would surely be madness. He isn't a right-back but he has never let us down playing out of position, and for that, he could be sold.
I thought last season Tarkowski was showing signs of getting slower and caught out more defensively but getting the captain's armband would suggest he will start most games.
Liam Mogan
146 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:42:01
146 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:42:01
Does he not realise that supporters need a bit of hope and excitement?
Or does he expect us to be content with awful football and downplaying ambition?
Or does he expect us to be content with awful football and downplaying ambition?
Mark Murphy
147 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:42:49
147 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:42:49
I'll hold my hands up and admit that before the Wolves cup game last year I had an offline discussion with Tony A when I said we should deffo rotate for that game as the next league game was more important. To be clear, I wouldn't have said that if it was the FA cup.
But I was saying that on the proviso that we gave the league a fcuking good go - not end in a whimper with European qualification in our grasp.
BTW - I'd love to travel back in time and read the pre match comments regarding rotation in that game. I don't recall any major shocks, possibly apart from Seamus at left back? And even then didn't Ndiaye and Grealish come on at half time? I personally thought it was more due to lack of enthusiasm on the night - on the pitch it was a pre season friendly performance. (not in the stands!)
I repeat, we're not going to win the league and we're not getting relegated. Go strong, in both selection AND motivation, for both cups - even the Mickey Mouse one!
But I was saying that on the proviso that we gave the league a fcuking good go - not end in a whimper with European qualification in our grasp.
BTW - I'd love to travel back in time and read the pre match comments regarding rotation in that game. I don't recall any major shocks, possibly apart from Seamus at left back? And even then didn't Ndiaye and Grealish come on at half time? I personally thought it was more due to lack of enthusiasm on the night - on the pitch it was a pre season friendly performance. (not in the stands!)
I repeat, we're not going to win the league and we're not getting relegated. Go strong, in both selection AND motivation, for both cups - even the Mickey Mouse one!
Mark Ryan
148 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:44:02
148 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:44:02
Eddie Howe went to Newcastle and whilst winning a cup and getting his team into Europe he didn't relegate them.
Why does Moyes shit his pants every year when the Carabao and FA Cups come along? Just put out your best team and win the next fucking game, you dithering dour idiot.
You never know, Dave, winning might become a habit. Your team might enjoy it!
Why does Moyes shit his pants every year when the Carabao and FA Cups come along? Just put out your best team and win the next fucking game, you dithering dour idiot.
You never know, Dave, winning might become a habit. Your team might enjoy it!
Mike Powell
149 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:57:59
149 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:57:59
If he doesn't try and win at Preston, and try and have a good cup run after what he said, he is going to feel the full force of the fan base.
There are going to be thousands of Blues at Preston and at every away game... Why should we bother if all that matters to him is to stay in the Premier League???
There are going to be thousands of Blues at Preston and at every away game... Why should we bother if all that matters to him is to stay in the Premier League???
Stan Grace
150 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:58:17
150 Posted 26/08/2026 at 10:58:17
Brendan #120,
It's a fair point saying "We don't actually know what effect, if any, doing well in the cups in those seasons had on our league placing."
It's a fact though that Moyes never did badly in the league when we had a rare good cup run.
I'd appreciate your thoughts on the two questions I asked @111.
It's a fair point saying "We don't actually know what effect, if any, doing well in the cups in those seasons had on our league placing."
It's a fact though that Moyes never did badly in the league when we had a rare good cup run.
I'd appreciate your thoughts on the two questions I asked @111.
Jack Convery
151 Posted 26/08/2026 at 11:03:16
151 Posted 26/08/2026 at 11:03:16
I think the Moyesiah is really pissed off at present. His narky response gave him away. He obviously didn't like the failure quote by Kinnear at all.
He's realised, the Everton of now is not the nice cosy place, where he could put his slippers on, sit back and take the money from the Blubberly One.
The two of them turned Everton into a mediocre, has been, of a club and, as long as we had moments, we the fans should be satisfied. Well, sod that for a game of soldiers.
We the fans are not happy to play second fiddle to any body. The Blubbery One could have had the Arabs, now owners of Man City but wouldn't let go of his train set.
Moyes is a mediocre manager. No other club but Everton would have given him 11 years, first time round. The Man Utd players sussed him out immediately but some at Everton still see him as some sort of Moyesiah... He isn't and never will be.
Why pundits back him, god knows. I didn't want him back and I'd love to see him go. He has no ambition to try and win a cup, even though, in my opinion, he has a squad capable of giving it a good go and, with a fair wind, a chance is there to win one.
You only have to look at the teams who have won the cups whilst the Moyesiah has been a manager. I'll just mention Birmingham as an example.
I'm lucky I've seen great Everton teams and great success. I live in hope that those long-suffering fans who have seen nothing will one day see it and that it is not just a one-off.
We are Everton and no one should forget it. Sing the Boys home tonight, those of you who have got tickets. COYBs.
He's realised, the Everton of now is not the nice cosy place, where he could put his slippers on, sit back and take the money from the Blubberly One.
The two of them turned Everton into a mediocre, has been, of a club and, as long as we had moments, we the fans should be satisfied. Well, sod that for a game of soldiers.
We the fans are not happy to play second fiddle to any body. The Blubbery One could have had the Arabs, now owners of Man City but wouldn't let go of his train set.
Moyes is a mediocre manager. No other club but Everton would have given him 11 years, first time round. The Man Utd players sussed him out immediately but some at Everton still see him as some sort of Moyesiah... He isn't and never will be.
Why pundits back him, god knows. I didn't want him back and I'd love to see him go. He has no ambition to try and win a cup, even though, in my opinion, he has a squad capable of giving it a good go and, with a fair wind, a chance is there to win one.
You only have to look at the teams who have won the cups whilst the Moyesiah has been a manager. I'll just mention Birmingham as an example.
I'm lucky I've seen great Everton teams and great success. I live in hope that those long-suffering fans who have seen nothing will one day see it and that it is not just a one-off.
We are Everton and no one should forget it. Sing the Boys home tonight, those of you who have got tickets. COYBs.
Mark Murphy
152 Posted 26/08/2026 at 11:56:36
152 Posted 26/08/2026 at 11:56:36
Mike @ 149.
The away support doesnt tend to vocalise discontent towards Moyes to be honest. I've had a few angry exchanges when I've voiced any anti-Moyes sentiments
The "Moyesy had a dream" song was still being belted out at West Ham and Palace away when we were in our flip flops. The last time I heard loud discontent at aways was Norwich under Benitez.
The away support doesnt tend to vocalise discontent towards Moyes to be honest. I've had a few angry exchanges when I've voiced any anti-Moyes sentiments
The "Moyesy had a dream" song was still being belted out at West Ham and Palace away when we were in our flip flops. The last time I heard loud discontent at aways was Norwich under Benitez.
Rob Halligan
153 Posted 26/08/2026 at 12:11:16
153 Posted 26/08/2026 at 12:11:16
I'd love to know how Moyes convinces potential signings to join us, if he has no intention of either winning a trophy or qualifying for Europe? I mean, what does he actually say……….
“Come and sign for us. Our objective is not to win anything or qualify for Europe, but to toddle along in midtable every season. We will however pay you a king's ransom for the privilege of playing for this great club.”
I know what my reply would be... and the second word is Off!
“Come and sign for us. Our objective is not to win anything or qualify for Europe, but to toddle along in midtable every season. We will however pay you a king's ransom for the privilege of playing for this great club.”
I know what my reply would be... and the second word is Off!
Brendan McLaughlin
154 Posted 26/08/2026 at 13:04:13
154 Posted 26/08/2026 at 13:04:13
Stan #150,
Thanks for the homework, mate -- Are or were you a teacher?
I'm on childminding duty today and will be watching the match tonight on some hopefully not too dodgy stream but after that I'll try and give you a considered reply.
Hopefully we all enjoy the match tonight.
Thanks for the homework, mate -- Are or were you a teacher?
I'm on childminding duty today and will be watching the match tonight on some hopefully not too dodgy stream but after that I'll try and give you a considered reply.
Hopefully we all enjoy the match tonight.
Brendan McLaughlin
155 Posted 26/08/2026 at 13:10:41
155 Posted 26/08/2026 at 13:10:41
Mark #152,
That's interesting.
That's interesting.
Stan Grace
156 Posted 26/08/2026 at 13:39:18
156 Posted 26/08/2026 at 13:39:18
Millions support Farage so I wouldn't read too much into that, Brendan.
Joe McMahon
158 Posted 26/08/2026 at 13:51:16
158 Posted 26/08/2026 at 13:51:16
Rob @153.
Tarkowski £150k pw
Keane £100k pw
O'Brien £44k pw.
I know which one I'd want to keep, but there isn't another team that would pay those two carthorses that much money.
As Blue Bill said "Everton always get it right"
Tarkowski £150k pw
Keane £100k pw
O'Brien £44k pw.
I know which one I'd want to keep, but there isn't another team that would pay those two carthorses that much money.
As Blue Bill said "Everton always get it right"
John Collins
159 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:14:47
159 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:14:47
Mark 152.
The ultimate away fan has given you his verdict in the post below yours.
The ultimate away fan has given you his verdict in the post below yours.
Brendan McLaughlin
160 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:14:59
160 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:14:59
Stan #156
If Farage's smug face was flashed up on the big screen at Deepdale tonight I'd expect quite a few boos from the Everton supporters.
If Farage's smug face was flashed up on the big screen at Deepdale tonight I'd expect quite a few boos from the Everton supporters.
Les Callan
162 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:19:45
162 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:19:45
Joe.
Is Keane really on £5M a year?
Is Keane really on £5M a year?
Stan Grace
163 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:23:11
163 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:23:11
I was referring more to a person being popular without it being merited, Brendan.
Enjoy the game as I always hope to. Actually thought we played some decent stuff the other day when we pushed forward in numbers.
Mykolenko has got to support George much more in the same way Röhl did with Ndiaye though. Otherwise, Dewsbury-Hall has to keep moving left and leaving space in the centre.
Enjoy the game as I always hope to. Actually thought we played some decent stuff the other day when we pushed forward in numbers.
Mykolenko has got to support George much more in the same way Röhl did with Ndiaye though. Otherwise, Dewsbury-Hall has to keep moving left and leaving space in the centre.
Christy Ring
165 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:52:55
165 Posted 26/08/2026 at 14:52:55
I can't understand that it's reported, Moyes will sell O'Brien if he can get a fullback in, how does that even make sense. Palace are interested in O'Brien, but even a swap for Munoz, would leave Keane as our only other centreback, has he lost the plot.
Ian's point that Moyes left Martinez a strong team, no, Roberto signing Lukaku, McCarthy and Barry, was the difference.
Ian's point that Moyes left Martinez a strong team, no, Roberto signing Lukaku, McCarthy and Barry, was the difference.
Mark Murphy
167 Posted 26/08/2026 at 15:25:12
167 Posted 26/08/2026 at 15:25:12
JC - yes, I know Robs views and I've sat with him on several occasions, but my point is the discontent is not vocalised nor, I would suggest, shared by the majority. As I said, I've been roundly abused for having a go at Moyes' tactics at several games so I learned to keep my thoughts to myself, even in the pub after a disappointing game.
It may be that the fans are literally supporting the team (and by extension, Moyes) by avoiding the negativity but my feeling is that a large part of the following, maybe even the majority, are still on board with Moyes. That "Moysie had a dream" gets a good number behind it.
To be fair, the away days and performances this last season were much better than in recent times.
And the be even more fairer, I doubt we would have been having this discussion if we (or Moyes if you prefer) had blown the last seven games of an otherwise promising season.
It may be that the fans are literally supporting the team (and by extension, Moyes) by avoiding the negativity but my feeling is that a large part of the following, maybe even the majority, are still on board with Moyes. That "Moysie had a dream" gets a good number behind it.
To be fair, the away days and performances this last season were much better than in recent times.
And the be even more fairer, I doubt we would have been having this discussion if we (or Moyes if you prefer) had blown the last seven games of an otherwise promising season.
Darren Hind
168 Posted 26/08/2026 at 15:55:54
168 Posted 26/08/2026 at 15:55:54
Moyes will get lots of young ale-fuelled lads singing his name down the concourse and, in fairness, they seem to like his stability (for now). But majority support? No way on this earth. There were thousands wanting to wring his neck after our last game at Spurs.\
Mark's right though, Mike. Down the years (despite very good reason), the travelling blue army have very rarely washed our dirty linen in public. You usually have to drop somebody like Alex Young for that to happen...
It's not happening tonight, or anytime soon.
Mark's right though, Mike. Down the years (despite very good reason), the travelling blue army have very rarely washed our dirty linen in public. You usually have to drop somebody like Alex Young for that to happen...
It's not happening tonight, or anytime soon.
John Collins
169 Posted 26/08/2026 at 16:17:34
169 Posted 26/08/2026 at 16:17:34
Being honest back Mark.
Far from a majority for me, apart from a couple I genuinely don't know a Blue who thinks he should stay.
Im not point scoring Mark, that's being honest mate
Far from a majority for me, apart from a couple I genuinely don't know a Blue who thinks he should stay.
Im not point scoring Mark, that's being honest mate
Ian Horan
170 Posted 26/08/2026 at 16:32:17
170 Posted 26/08/2026 at 16:32:17
Moyes's response is the epitome of everything that is wrong with us!!! He believes that's all that matters. I can't work out if it's delusion from him or blinding arrogance.
Boys Pen Blue Blill is is no longer here setting the bar so low as of be grateful you serfs!! It's a new Everton fit for the 21st Century, which means competing in every game or competition we play in, for fuck's sake!!
Boys Pen Blue Blill is is no longer here setting the bar so low as of be grateful you serfs!! It's a new Everton fit for the 21st Century, which means competing in every game or competition we play in, for fuck's sake!!
Mark Murphy
171 Posted 26/08/2026 at 16:39:18
171 Posted 26/08/2026 at 16:39:18
No problem at all JC.
It’s probably my accent that winds them up rather than my views…
“What’s it gorra do wit yew lah??”
Good luck to all that’s going tonight and please let your views re the sale of JoB be known!
It’s probably my accent that winds them up rather than my views…
“What’s it gorra do wit yew lah??”
Good luck to all that’s going tonight and please let your views re the sale of JoB be known!
John Collins
172 Posted 26/08/2026 at 16:43:38
172 Posted 26/08/2026 at 16:43:38
Mark.
😁👍
Enjoy the game mate.
😁👍
Enjoy the game mate.
Mark Murphy
173 Posted 26/08/2026 at 17:10:48
173 Posted 26/08/2026 at 17:10:48
John, it's my wife's birthday mate. The selfish cow wants me to take her out for dinner!
Women, eh -- can't live with em..
Women, eh -- can't live with em..
Stan Grace
174 Posted 26/08/2026 at 17:40:26
174 Posted 26/08/2026 at 17:40:26
Mark #173,
Take her to a sports bar that does food. Both happy.
Take her to a sports bar that does food. Both happy.
Tony Hughes
175 Posted 26/08/2026 at 17:43:14
175 Posted 26/08/2026 at 17:43:14
Happy wife, happy life, as i'm constantly reminded
John Collins
176 Posted 26/08/2026 at 17:50:27
176 Posted 26/08/2026 at 17:50:27
Don't get caught checking the score, Mark.
Have a good night, mate!
Have a good night, mate!
Mark Murphy
177 Posted 26/08/2026 at 21:08:39
177 Posted 26/08/2026 at 21:08:39
Hello all!
nice dinner - Tomahawk steak and lobster with a great Rioja Reserva.
Back now and she wants peace and quiet and masterchef.
Just tuning in for the second half with a single malt and Bob Dylan sound track.
How we doing?
nice dinner - Tomahawk steak and lobster with a great Rioja Reserva.
Back now and she wants peace and quiet and masterchef.
Just tuning in for the second half with a single malt and Bob Dylan sound track.
How we doing?
Brent Stephens
178 Posted 26/08/2026 at 21:14:20
178 Posted 26/08/2026 at 21:14:20
Soup kitchen, Mark?
Mark Murphy
179 Posted 26/08/2026 at 22:14:03
179 Posted 26/08/2026 at 22:14:03
Well, that was one fucking good enjoyable evening!
I caught the second half!
I caught the second half!
Stan Grace
180 Posted 27/08/2026 at 12:06:02
180 Posted 27/08/2026 at 12:06:02
Brendan #154,
Your homework is due in today otherwise I'll have to mark it down as "avoidance". ;)
Your homework is due in today otherwise I'll have to mark it down as "avoidance". ;)
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1 Posted 25/08/2026 at 14:56:53
Will he change a winning side, he usually does.