Fabian Delph is dealing with another soft-tissue complaint and is unlikely to feature against the Saints
Everton make the long trek down to the south coast for the third time this season as they take on fellow strugglers Southampton.
This part of England has not been a happy hunting ground at all for the Blues since first Southampton, in 2012, then Bournemouth and Brighton gained promotion to the top flight — in 15 visits over the past seven years, Everton have won just once, drawn four and lost eight times.
Apart from the three goals they put past the Saints in Roberto Martinez's final season in charge in August 2015, they've only scored twice at St Mary's, in seven games, conceding 12 and, of course, they've already let in three goals at the Vitality and Amex Stadiums already this season.
So it's hardly the ideal destination for Marco Silva and a team that as accrued just 11 points from as many matches and comes into the weekend sitting one place above the relegation zone. Just like last month, the Portuguese goes into what could potentially be a pivotal fixture in terms of his future at Goodison Park with a two-week international break looming beyond.
Defeat to a Southampton team that has yet to win at home this season and that was crushed 9-0 by Leicester City in their last game in front of their own fans really should be unthinkable for Silva and there are plenty who feel it could be the last straw for Farhad Moshiri and the Everton board but both teams could be galvanised by recent adversity.
Ralph Hasenhüttl rallied his team sufficiently last weekend to push Manchester City most of the way at the Etihad Stadium, with the Champions needing a late goal from Kyle Walker to overturn a 1-0 deficit and there is a danger that he could inspire the Saints to what would be only their third victory of the season this weekend.
Silva, meanwhile, will hopefully have been channeling a sense of anger among his charges following inexplicable injustice at the hands of VAR in the matches against Brighton and Tottenham, not to mention a sense of solidarity for André Gomes who begins his road to recovery from the fracture dislocation of his ankle he suffered at Goodison last Sunday.
The Portuguese underwent surgery to mend a fracture dislocation of his right ankle and was released from Aintree Hospital on Tuesday. While no official timescale has been put on his return, Everton's medical staff aren't ruling out Gomes seeing action again before the end of the season.
“It's not easy for us to give a sure date of when he will return but what's in our mind, from the feedback from our medical staff, is that it's possible he will be back playing again this season,” Silva said in his pre-match press conference.
“Everything went really well [with the surgery] and we hope we can see him playing again this season. Of course, it's not something we're 100% sure about but we have good possibilities [for him] to do that.”
The Toffees look likely to be without three important midfield players, then, as Fabian Delph battles a hamstring problem. The England international pulled up at the end of the 1-1 draw with Spurs clutching the back of his thigh and this latest soft-tissue problem means that he is a big doubt for the game at St Mary's Stadium.
“[Fabian] is a big doubt for the game,” Silva in his pre-match press conference today. Let's see tomorrow and after on the match day but I think at this moment he is a big doubt for the match.“
It would leave Marco Silva with just two senior players in that area of the pitch in light of Gomes's injury and Jean-Philippe Gbamin's long-term lay-off following surgery of his own on his thigh. Morgan Schneiderlin is fit again having shaken off a minor problem and would be the automatic choice as the holding midfielder while Gomes's absence hands Tom Davies the chance to get an extended run in the side and prove his worth in the middle of the park.
There has been a sense that Silva doesn't have full faith that the young homegrown talent is ready to hold down a permanent place in the side but, while Delph is sidelined and the transfer window doesn't reopen until January, the manager has little choice but to let him loose to see what he can do.
What formation he elects to use remains to be seen but it's likely to be a reversion to 4-2-3-1, perhaps with Alex Iwobi back in the No 10 role, flanked by Theo Walcott and Richarlison with one of Dominic Calvert-Lewin or Cenk Tosun leading the line.
The two strikers each stepped off the bench in the last two matches to score but Silva's propensity to chop and change up front makes it hard to know which player will get the nod. There's also a chance, of course, that Silva might restore Gylfi Sigurdsson to the starting XI, pushing Iwobi out wide and using Richarlison as the centre-forward.
At the back, Yerry Mina appears to be fit enough to start, despite being substituted against Watford in the Carabao Cup tie and hobbling his way through the closing stages of the Tottenham game, and is a good bet to partner Mason Holgate again while Djibril Sidibé continues at right-back.
Regardless of the mounting injury crisis afflicting Everton's midfield, Silva will still be able to field a team capable of beating a poor Southampton outfit whose frailties were ruthlessly exposed by Leicester a fortnight ago.
A draw and a committed, spirited performance is the very least that the travelling Blues would expect; the alternative, a sixth defeat in nine League games, would leave the manager in a perilous position.
Kick-off: 3pm, Saturday 9 November 2019
Referee: Paul Tierney
Last Time: Southampton 2 - 1 Everton
Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Sidibé, Holgate, Mina, Digne, Schneiderlin, Davies, Iwobi, Walcott, Richarlison, Tosun
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1 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:16:16
2 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:27:53
Quite often a struggling team and manager benefits from forced changes. Let's hope that is the case for us and that someone steps up and grasps their opportunity.
3 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:30:00
It's not like any of us didn't see this one coming.
4 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:47:32
5 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:50:11
6 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:51:18
7 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:52:39
8 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:53:18
10 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:55:03
Sidibe, Holgate, Mina, Digne
Iwobi, Shneiderlin, Davies
Walcott, Tosun, Richarlison
Or how about 5-3-2
Sidibe, Holgate, Mina, Keane, Digne
Iwobi, Schneiderlin, Davies
Get Sidibe and Digne down the wings to get crosses in for Calvert-Lewin and Tosun. I know it means dropping Richarlison down to the bench but I never like picking managers favourites regardless of form so that doesn't bother me at all.
The fact is that there are sides above us with supposedly worse players, worse defences, worse midfields, worse attacks but they all have better attitudes and don't collapse at the first sign of adversity. No matter who Silva picks they need to improve their attitude and stop hiding.
11 Posted 07/11/2019 at 17:56:50
Incidentally Delph has just been named in the England squad for the forthcoming qualifiers. Perhaps his hammy will be okay in a week?
12 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:04:27
I watched him in the U21 game midweek and he showed a few nice touches and some good passing. He didn't control the midfield and looked a bit lost as Crewe took control.
He's some way off Premier League level. He needs another loan if he's to succeed at Everton. I think he's behind Denis Adendiran in the pecking order too and I've never been convinced Denis is good enough.
13 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:05:32
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Walcott Iwobi Richarlison
If you wanted to swap Calvert-Lewin for Kean, that'd be fine.
Losing Delph right now at this moment is yet another blow.
We have to get 6 points from our next two league games.
14 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:07:24
15 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:11:57
We need pace in all other areas of the pitch to complement the lack of pace in the middle and that means a definite start for Sidibe who did okay against Spurs and looks the best right back at the club. Holgate's pace is also necessary.
If Tosun starts as I think he will, then he needs Iwobi behind him for pace and Walcott and Richarlison wide.
Sidibe Mina Holgate Digne
Walcott Iwobi Richarlison
16 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:17:31
Otherwise, I would consider dropping Sigurdsson into a deep role. He works hard and would set us on the counter-attack with his passing ability.
17 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:22:53
18 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:23:42
19 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:29:15
20 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:32:36
We should sell Sigurdsson and Schniederlin in January and buy some more hopefuls.
21 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:40:11
Where was Denis Adeniran against Crewe? Possibly being rested for Saints. I doubt it, I also remain to be convinced he can make it as a Premier League player.
22 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:48:07
23 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:52:18
The most important thing is we move the ball quickly, play with a high tempo and break at pace.
24 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:52:30
I'm not well up on who's available, what about Gordon?
25 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:53:47
As for Sigurdsson, he plays centre mid in a 4-4-2 fo Iceland. And he works his socks off
26 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:58:03
Maybe our first two midfield picks are injured but we have still got good players, improving players. Put Baningime on the bench.
Schneiderlin, Davies and Iwobi is a good balance of everything. I just want some movement ahead of them so Schneiderlin has more than sideways and back passes. He is more than capable.
I have a feeling that Tosun could start but wouldn't be surprised if Sigurdsson comes back in either.. after all its Silva that sees him in training. We also have Calvert-Lewin and Kean all itching to play.
We don't have a settled core line up either through form or injury, or a settled formation either. Anyway, at least Silva has started to show a bit more flexibility. It's harder when your manager is short on confidence on top of the players. The fact he is starting to work with, or is being forced to work with the players he has is good. Taken too long but l can see a chink of light. I just hope its not too late.
27 Posted 07/11/2019 at 18:59:29
Gordon is the only one I can see this season. I think the U23s is not a good team this season, the talent is all under 18, excluding Gibson and Gordon.
Richard, I thought Beni was great when he got in the side too. But that was 18 months to 2 years ago. Then he got injured and then he had a failure of a loan to Wigan. He lost a year and is struggling to get back to where he was, never mind develop. Expect him to go on loan in January and not to get into our first team.
Richard, you are right about him being more defensive-minded than Denis who is more box-to-box. Are you sure Sigurdsson plays in a deeper role for Iceland? I've only watched a handful of games but it seems they have 9 outfield workers and Sigurdsson roams wherever he wants.
29 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:03:21
30 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:06:24
31 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:08:59
His form has been nothing like it was when he last came into the first team and personally I would prefer Dennis Adeniran who is too fast thinking for the U23s so might be able to make the leap.
Having said all that, Southampton is a must-win game so, in the circumstances, I would play Gordon with Davies playing the sole defensive midfield role and really go for it against Southampton.
We need bundles of energy and pace in this one so Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and Seamus take a bath.
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Walcott Richarlison Gordon
32 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:16:56
33 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:18:27
Schneiderlin just sits five yards in front of the centre-backs, rarely tackling and too deep to put any pressure on the opposition midfield players or make him put his head down. They get all the time in the world to pick a pass.
Watch the Aston Villa goal closely. He may look like he's "kept his shape" and is in a defensive position, like these iPad-warrior badged-up modern coaches like, but he isn't affecting the game.
Then when our keeper or cbs have the ball he runs and finds an opponent to mark him and doesn't want it.
He will take possession only in second and third phase after their entire midfield has dropped into their own half, affording him acres of space so he can demand the ball and pass sideways or backwards. Racking up the completed passes but getting us nowhere.
Proper midfield players like Arteta, Barry and Fellaini would go and demand it straight away. Marked or not and get us going. No need for Liverpool comparisons.
He has no energy. He doesn't sprint forward off the ball, leaving his marker behind. Doesn't get through a great deal of work and doesn't press.
He's neither defensive or attack-minded imho.
If we must compare him to a Liverpool midfielder or call Liverpool's midfield defensive then I think you're being harsh on them. They are all box to box and get through an unbelievable amount of work. They don't sit on their centre-backs, they hound you within half a second of receiving the ball. And will always try to pass forward and follow their pass.
Eric Dier for England but, without a good right foot or physical strength, is the only similar player I can think of who is similar to the Schneiderlin. I'd rather have Phil Neville!
Might as well play Davies, Iwobi and Sigurdsson as the midfield 3. Especially if you want to copy Liverpool. At least they'll press and get forward. Davies 6 and Iwobi and Sigurdsson as two 8s working, pressing and fighting for every ball.
Not saying it would work but at least they'd want the ball and compete.
34 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:19:40
We could rely more on the fullbacks. There was a thread when Iwobi was signed, on how he was the 'enabler of overlapping fullbacks' at Arsenal. That could be quite useful for us.
35 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:23:19
I might be wrong but I think he was also injured at Wigan.
I know he didn't play much.
36 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:27:08
I tried to find it online but I cannot find anything, one way or another. The only facts are he played 1 game, was a sub the game before that and then never made the matchday squad again. It is all very strange.
37 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:30:50
38 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:36:59
39 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:45:13
40 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:46:45
41 Posted 07/11/2019 at 19:49:57
Given our record at Southampton we might be happy to make it 12 points from 12 games and spend another 2 weeks just outside the relegation zone which I guess is better than the last international break!
42 Posted 07/11/2019 at 20:04:24
43 Posted 07/11/2019 at 20:22:37
David @ 41 the Moshiri revolution is in full flow! We may somehow get 3 points, but our away record is a shocker as we all know.
44 Posted 07/11/2019 at 20:44:05
Me, I'd play Coleman and put Sidibe in midfield as I'm sure he played there for Lille
Coleman Holgate Mina Digne
Sidibe Sigurdsson Davies Iwobi
Calvert-Lewin Kean or Tosun
45 Posted 07/11/2019 at 20:45:34
46 Posted 07/11/2019 at 21:40:18
Yet another inspiring decision by our wonderful genius, to get rid of McCarthy just as he was back to full fitness. At a time when we need players to put up a fight, and with Gana allowed to go too, we lost the only two players who really give everything on the pitch, and never replaced them.
The team lacks bottle in midfield, and with 2 more down, I really fear for our club in the demanding pre-Xmas run of games.
49 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:18:16
Sidibe Keane Holgate Mina Digne
I find it futile picking teams, but when I heard Schneiderlin's name getting mentioned, I thought I'd go for a system that, whilst drawing criticism from South America, might just keep Morgan out of the team!
50 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:31:39
Get Dom and Cenk in the box and put the ball on their heads. To either knock it down for our midfield to run on to or to have a go themselves. Surely it is our turn to have a slice of luck.
51 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:38:01
I disagree with quite a bit of what he says, especially about Silva, but nobody can claim he doesn't add value to the site and to the various debates.
52 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:40:08
Is that a 4-1-2-1-1.
I know we play like weve only got 9 men but please don't handicap us further. LOL
54 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:41:19
55 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:42:56
I did think about playing 3 centre-backs but Southampton don't have much weight up front and tend to play through Ward-Prowse in the middle so I think we would be better beefing up the midfield.
57 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:47:08
As someone else has said, probably our most graceful midfielder since Colin Harvey is out for the season whilst the nation rushes to comfort the player who shoulders most of the blame.
So at Southampton, I don't care who we pick as long as we grow a pair, collectively, sharpen our studs and get our retaliation in first. Cheat, dive and generally act like bastards and bollocks to our image as nice acquiescent Everton.
God, I wish Tony Kay, Johnny Morrisey and Jimmy Gabriel were playing.
58 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:48:50
I'm disappointed for Baines not even making the bench. I know he's not the future but we are paying him a salary to waste possibly his final year in football. Is he that bad in training?
59 Posted 07/11/2019 at 22:49:35
60 Posted 07/11/2019 at 23:14:40
And playing Schneiderlin is not 'playing it safe', it is just fuckin stupidity.
61 Posted 07/11/2019 at 23:25:04
He rarely loses the ball, can pass well, can tackle and Im sure Davies would play better next to him rather than Schneiderlin. Its someone he probably looked up to when coming through the ranks
It worked for Lahm.
62 Posted 07/11/2019 at 23:53:05
Im being cute (or trying to). Steve - obviously you throw a lot of time and effort into following this football club. I just wish you could be a little less rigid about formations, players and tactics. And by you, I also mean your buddy Silva. Its like youve convinced yourself you know all the answers. You should open yourself up to the unknown. Its fun.
63 Posted 07/11/2019 at 23:56:24
64 Posted 07/11/2019 at 00:11:27
Coleman, Holgate, Mina, Digne
Sidibe, Davies, Sigurdsson, Richarlison
Tosun has to stay on for the full 90 minutes.
My gut feeling is we must find a way to win this game and the Norwich game because there is a storm coming in December.
65 Posted 08/11/2019 at 00:31:00
Delph is a good player. Theres no correlation between him and Schneiderlin in any case. Theres a very good reason why Delph gets hamstring problems and Schneiderlin doesnt - Delph tears around the pitch straining every sinew to win the ball back. I also think hes decent in possession, particularly feeding the ball out to Digne. Schneiderlin is a crab who never gets out of 2nd gear.
That said, I hope he plays against his old club on Saturday and that he has a blinder against them. Hopefully they will then come in for him in January and give us £15 million for him.
66 Posted 08/11/2019 at 01:29:53
I also cannot believe we have nobody who can come in from the U23s and compete at this level. Just shows what a sorry mess we are in at the moment and I do not think Silva has the capability to rally the troops to get us through this difficult period.
Without Gomes and Bernard we have also lost probably our 2 most technically gifted players. So, without their influence on the game, we cannot replace them with slow pondering players like Shneiderlin and Siggy. We therefore have to go with pace as much as possible to overcome the lack of technical quality. So, for me, the team has to be:
Sidibe, Holgate, Mina, Digne
Davies, Iwobi, Baines
Walcott, Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison
While Bainsy has no match fitness, at least being a lefty he brings some balance to the team. He might only last 60 minutes but then he can be replaced with Sigurdsson or Schneiderlin. I would also like to see Gordon on the bench. He has to be given a chance now.
67 Posted 08/11/2019 at 04:10:51
68 Posted 08/11/2019 at 06:16:42
69 Posted 08/11/2019 at 07:12:45
On the team picking... I think playing Baines in midfield is about four years too late, but I'd prefer Baines to Morgan.
Baningime might not be ready to play 38 games a year in the Premier League, but he can surely step up for the odd game?
I agree, the time has arrived for Gordon to step in and replace Bernard.
I also agree that Tosun should be starting.
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Plenty of pace in there! Run riot!
70 Posted 08/11/2019 at 07:22:42
71 Posted 08/11/2019 at 07:33:40
As for tomorrow, I think he'll go with Lyndon's team and rightly so. We look thin but that's the reality. We need to become mean and to have maximum concentration given our depleted resources.
72 Posted 08/11/2019 at 07:38:21
73 Posted 08/11/2019 at 07:56:21
I didnt like Koeman or Allardyce and it was very easy to criticise them all the time. Its much harder to stand by a manager when everyone else has jumped ship.
But dont worry. I have thick skin and never give up. Being an Evertonian has taught me that.
74 Posted 08/11/2019 at 08:17:30
I'd rather have some fanciful posso dream stuff (that's me) and some well thought out support and comments (that's you, Steve) than any of the whinging miserable crap that a few post (that's you?? – I am sure you know who you are).
Up The Blues – “Hey Moriarty what's with the neggo waves, man – think posso – think bridge.”
75 Posted 08/11/2019 at 08:29:29
Confidence, I would imagine is pretty thin throughout the current team/squad, but I have always maintained that WE DO have the players to make a difference, it's just that this manager is reluctant to make changes unless enforced, and very seldom is adventurous, or willing to try something else, that MAY just work.
76 Posted 08/11/2019 at 08:36:32
77 Posted 08/11/2019 at 08:43:02
I hope the terrible blow of the Gomes injury has bolstered this squad and hope that Silva can impose a siege mentality because we really need to string an unbeaten run together and simply can't afford a defeat to a team so low in the table.
I expect a high tempo game and hopefully our speed on the break will be enough to get the result but our defence always give me palpitations.
78 Posted 08/11/2019 at 08:50:17
79 Posted 08/11/2019 at 09:25:48
I always take notice of your posts, and agree with quite a lot of them. I understand your reluctance at having Schneiderlin in the team, however, despite not being a big fan of Schneiderlin, there are not many midfielders left to pick from, and I'd go with the experienced Frenchman.
I'm hoping that he will realise the mess Everton are in and the need for the whole squad to pull together at this difficult time. I'd hope and trust that he will give a bit/lot more than he has given in the last 18 months and show the manager, the club and the fans that he cares about the situation we are ALL in and shows it on Saturday, along with the rest of the squad.
Steve Ferns, that's the spirit mate, don't let the bastards grind you down.
80 Posted 08/11/2019 at 09:29:12
81 Posted 08/11/2019 at 09:31:40
Sorry, I have lost all confidence in Everton.
82 Posted 08/11/2019 at 09:31:55
83 Posted 08/11/2019 at 09:36:00
If only we had even just one of Kay, Gabriel and Morrissey!! They don't make them like that any more.
I would give Gordon a chance in this game:
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Davies Iwobi Baningime
Walcott Richarlison Gordon
I can't understand posters having a go about other guys posting. It's always interesting to read other views, even when you don't agree with them. As others have said, scroll down if it annoys you that much but don't sink to the depths of the odd few who abuse others who have different views.
We all share the same aims!
84 Posted 08/11/2019 at 09:39:33
When somebody puts a lot of effort in to analyse something, and is usually often successful at it, it can piss some people off, people who are not able to do good analysis, and/or cannot be arsed to put the work in. Such critical people have a tendency to make personal comments that are really unwarranted, especially when they think you've got something wrong and they've found a chink in the armour.
As someone once said, talent instantly recognises talent, but mediocrity knows nothing better than itself, and if you invented an ingenious machine for automatically peeling potatoes, there would be some people who'd complain it doesn't peel apples.
Your analyses are always interesting. Keep on posting.
85 Posted 08/11/2019 at 09:43:32
You have nailed your colours to the Silva mast and will defend him to the hilt, and thats very commendable, but failure to see any faults is bordering on being misguided, a bit like the band on the Titanic. I liked the appointment of Silva and said so at the time, as the alternative of Frank de Boer didn't appeal but with the money spent we should be competing at the other end of the table.
I also think Brands is accountable for the mess we are in, but its always the manager who is sacked if the team fails. I think if we lose to Southampton Silva will be sacked.
Obviously Moshiri will be loathed to have to sack him given the time and money he spent in acquiring Silva, but even he will have run out of patience if we lose to Southampton.
86 Posted 08/11/2019 at 09:59:38
Steve F @23 I've no problem with defensive midfielders who show for the ball, move it forwards and commit energy to the game (like Liverpool's) but the trouble is that Schneiderlin does none of those things (anymore). In particular, I rarely see him move into good positions to receive the ball when his team-mates are under pressure. He's a decent enough player who was very good at Southampton but I just think he's lost a lot of confidence. Perhaps he could play as part of a move mobile midfield but my heart sinks when I see him and Sigurdsson (and Gomes) in the same midfield 3.
I think we should stick with the 4-3-3 which actually limited Tottenham to very few chances indeed (till we gifted them a goal). I'd play Iwobi, our best creator, as the most advanced of the 3 (like a deeper 10) and see what the unknown quality of Gordon can do. This team needs a lift and bringing in a highly rated youngster for his league debut might provide that spark (either that or you have to play Walcott again).
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Delph( or Schneiderlin) Davies
Gordon Calvert-Lewin Richarlison
87 Posted 08/11/2019 at 10:11:16
With Walcott, it's all about end product... or specifically the lack of it! At times he looks a threat but you come away from the game thinking it all came to nothing. Also, his goals have dried up and we are desperate for goals.
88 Posted 08/11/2019 at 10:40:30
Brands taking a risk in transferring in injury-prone players was always going to be hit and miss. There have been mostly misses. Because of the way Everton is perceived, many players shy away in the transfer windows, leaving Everton with little choice.
It is the same regarding manager candidates.
89 Posted 08/11/2019 at 10:43:55
90 Posted 08/11/2019 at 10:48:54
Whoever pulls on the shirt for this game (including Schneiderlin), I hope they leave nothing in the dressing room because we need a 100% from every one of them.
91 Posted 08/11/2019 at 10:55:49
I can see Davies slowly getting overrun in the centre of midfield and getting slated on here immediately afterwards.
To be honest, if we were to stick with a 4-3-3, I would play Richarlison in midfield. The guy tackles and intercepts more than anyone else on the pitch at times and, although he might wander with it not being natural to him, there will still be 2 covering midfielders. He also offers the option, as Davies does, of carrying the ball.
I know its unlikely but a midfield and attack of...
Richarlison, Baines, Davies
Iwobi, Kean, Walcott
92 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:03:18
I actually always look out for Steve's posts as I find him highly informed and knowledgeable, although I don't exactly see eye to eye with him on all matters Silva. Many posters offer little but repetative and unconstructive criticism – and by all means feel free – but I appreciate far more the likes of Steve, who is one of the contributors who make the effort of presenting insightful analyses and explaining their views and opinions.
Of course people will always have differing views in football but, in my book, fronting a reflected opinion deserves some respect.
93 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:05:44
94 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:16:11
95 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:22:14
There are those who would rather that we lost tomorrow in order to get rid of the manager but I for one hope that he turns it around even at this late stage.
96 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:33:59
97 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:34:47
You are on of the few on here who can argue their own opinion without resorting to belittling or goading people.
I've disagreed with you often but always enjoyed how you politely fight your corner.
98 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:34:49
No matter what team he picks or who is available for selection surely to god this is a must-win game and so too Norwich?
If we aren't winning at Southampton (who only ever seem to win at home against us every season) then I doubt we will win an away game all season, certainly won't be winning away before Christmas looking at the fixtures ahead.
The players need to grow a pair, Silva needs to start manning up too, I'm still pissed at why he hasn't been out this week shouting from the rooftops about how bad VAR is and that Martin Atkinson should not be allowed near an Everton game again.
Tomorrow really is make-or-break stuff.
99 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:43:11
I have supported the Blues for years. My great uncle, Thomas Veitch, played for the club in the 1880s. My Dad took me to the game at Goodison when we won the League in 1963. He also took me to home games where we won 6-1 against possibly Nottingham Forest and Chelsea. I can still recall Tommy Ring making an absolute mess of the opposition's right back.
After 1966, I could not go the games much. My parents had sent me to Merchant Taylors School in Crosby that had lessons on Saturday morning (which is why I am so intelligent) and rugby on Saturday afternoon (which is why I am so physically developed). But I do recall travelling home on the train on Saturday afternoons listening to the 1966 FA Cup Final where Derek Temple scored the winner after we had gone down 2-0, and also a 5-something win against Liverpool at Anfield.
I only have three things to contribute to this thread.
1. Colin Harvey was the most technically gifted footballer I have ever witnessed. But now I am 70 years old I cannot remember whether I was copying him or he was copying me.
2. The combined loss of Tony Kay and my emigration to Australia were enormous losses for the club.
3. Lay off Steve Ferns. He is the only one who backs up what he is saying with a few facts. He will not be right on everything, and I don't agree with him on everything. But I agree that the Club will achieve nothing by changing the manager now.
100 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:51:10
Surely to god, the team have got to start producing? We have been unfortunate in the last two, mainly due to incompetent officials and VAR. Ever the optimist, I'm going for a 3-1 win!
101 Posted 08/11/2019 at 11:51:59
It's a must-win as defeat against Southampton with our upcoming fixtures combined with a Shite manager and a shocking injury list could send us on a catastrophic downward spiral into a serious relegation scrap.
The flip side is that defeat will be another nail in Silvas coffin and pushes him nearer the exit door/sack (which is 100% something that needs to happen). We have been massively poor under him this season.
Look at Wolves – despite taking a small squad into the Europa League, they are now ahead of us in the league. We have Sheff Utd, Wolves, Villa, Brighton, Burnley, Newcastle, Palace all ahead of us –we have been that poor. The blame rests on Silva's shoulders.
102 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:00:01
With your luck on a couple of recent away trips, take a parachute with you!
It's about time you and the loyal away support were rewarded with an away win.
Let's hope it comes tomorrow.
103 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:05:19
104 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:20:51
Steve posts a lot because many posters are interested in his often alternative view and will address their comment directly to him. That's not a problem the snipe-from-the-sideline nothing-to-say crew will ever have to address.
It's difficult to be confident about an Everton side on the road, but the Saints confidence has to be brittle. Fortune will favour the brave tomorrow.
Be bold. Two up top would win this
105 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:21:17
106 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:25:17
The message is clear; as long as we are 'in touch' with the top half, no major decisions will be made. And we shall win, anyway!
107 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:30:31
Things haven't really changed much since. We still have Schneiderlin and may now put him back in the side to usher in another lacklustre performance. If history repeats itself I expect to see a managerial change before if not at the Norwich match.
Unlike Unsworth, I see no evidence of Silva being able to motivate players or turn things round. Furthermore, Silva has no confidence in any of our young players, exemplified by his treatment of Davies. I'm afraid Silva has 'loser' written through him like a stick of rock and relegation has been his only signature achievement.
I still pray that Silva somehow gets his selection and tactics right, but realistically I can see no prospect of a win. I hope I'm completely wrong and that our away support at long long last get a performance and result that their tremendous commitment deserves. COYB.
108 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:36:39
Saints defended as if their lives depended on it. Their three central defenders were superb, frustrating City for most of the match. If they play half as good tomorrow we'll be happy to escape with a point. It will have done their confidence a power of good.
Steve Ferns is a knowledgable and personable guy. He has opinions and relates them clearly and concisely. But they are his OPINIONS, and if you disagree get your crayons out and respond. Don't give the guy undeserved stick.
109 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:54:13
Schneiderlin is and never was the problem. He is a good player and feeds off the confidence and movement ahead of him. Silva sets up sometimes way too wide and seems fearful of being outmanned in wide areas, not wanting to leave our full-backs exposed. It's up to Silva now as to whether he goes for it or plays it safe, sticking with 4-1-4-1 which may work to our favour more if we counter-attack. We don't know what team or formation he will pick. Many of us want to see Tosun start but who's to say he won't just bring in Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson instead of shuffling Richarlison to accommodate either Tosun, or probably Calvert-Lewin.
We need a win.
110 Posted 08/11/2019 at 12:56:16
I personally rate their manager and, with the injuries we are carrying into this match, we are going under the cosh a little I reckon. I would be happy with the draw, although we have it in us to win no doubt but whether the fight is in us tomorrow remains to be seen. 1-1 I predict, but hoping for a clean sheet to give us 1-0 or better.
111 Posted 08/11/2019 at 13:00:01
An air hostess once asked if I wanted to join the Mile High Club. Not being one for shelling out on clubs, I declined. Did I make a bad decision? Just thinking of all the discounts I might have got.
112 Posted 08/11/2019 at 13:01:06
113 Posted 08/11/2019 at 13:21:36
Steve is way more knowledgeable than me on the game and I've always enjoyed reading his contributions. For what it's worth, I didn't agree with him when he analysed Silva's career and said he would be a good fit for our club. I think there's a massive difference between managing smaller clubs and Everton FC, and we saw this with Roberto.
I also think that Silva has shown an ability to string 4 or 5 good results together followed by a slump. I haven't followed his career as strongly as some but that's my recollections of his time at Hull City and Watford anyway. I was prepared to give him time and my support because I saw him as an improvement over the loathsome Allardyce.
Keep posting though, Steve, because you certainly know the game, our club and you always argue your case well, even if I don't always agree with you.
114 Posted 08/11/2019 at 13:31:26
The positions both teams find themselves in makes the morale boost of winning this game every bit as important as the points.
Southampton looked very good against Man City and were unlucky not to come away with something, they will be well and truly up for this. This match is more about mental strength than formations, I love these do-or-die games!
115 Posted 08/11/2019 at 13:37:08
That said, I don't denigrate Steve but the sheer number of his posts can be overwhelming in my opinion. It's probably an age thing though. He's young and I ain't!
116 Posted 08/11/2019 at 14:11:50
This is a forum. Jesus man, if you don't like a particular poster, skip it FFS!
Steve, keep posting.
And Steve - earlier you were mentioning how Liverpool don't have a creative CDM, and they're very defensive in that position [paraphrasing].
I don't care what Liverpool do. And you can't compare us to them at that position. They make up for dull defensive mids because they have arguably the best front three in world football! They don't need any dynamic play from the back. They have a level of dynamic play from three players that most teams don't have in their whole squad! Credit where it's do, even through a snarl.
I hope Sigurdsson is dropped deep. I think he'd do just fine there. IwobiN is far more attacking and quick on a ball. He should be at No 10 for me.
117 Posted 08/11/2019 at 14:13:34
1. Don, that last comment wasn't directed squarely at you.
2. If we, God forbid, lose this game, relegation is a reality. It'll be 100% time to hit the panic button.
118 Posted 08/11/2019 at 14:17:05
No doubt Schneiderlin will try and protect the defence and hopefully allow us to hit them on the break.
119 Posted 08/11/2019 at 14:25:00
I hope am wrong, we need three points as fast as possible atm.
120 Posted 08/11/2019 at 14:36:53
121 Posted 08/11/2019 at 14:47:19
Sid Holgate Mina Digne
Richarlison Davies Sigurdsson Iwobi
. Tosun .
Sigg is out of form, but would rather find a way of incorporating him than playing Schneiderlin. We never play well when Schneiderlin plays and if he is chosen I will fear the worst.
Holgate deserves his place.
DC-L is a converted midfielder so in that role he can supplement the midfield defensively and be combative in winning possession in the air and retaining possession in the advanced midfield positions. This could give us more midfield control that we are crying out for .
Tosun looks fired up so he could get the goal that makes the difference tomorrow. Give him a chance.
122 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:05:50
123 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:07:22
You would hope that with what happened to Gomes, the awful VAR decisions we have had, plus Hasenhuttl,s comments it will rattle enough cages to make our players play as if their life depended on the result.
124 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:21:22
125 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:23:31
I hope he plays Beni on Saturday if Delph doesn't make it, because I don't rate Schneiderlin, for a defensive midfielder, how many tackles has he missed when playing this season, he was sent off at Palace, two bad tackles, against City, he chopped down de Bruyne, against B'mouth, they scored after Richarlison fouled King, because Morgan missed him completely with a tackle, could Beni be any worse?
126 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:28:57
Hes right mind you so Im not going to criticise him.
Four years on from Farhad Moshiri I dont think any of us, Moshy included could have quite believed where we are.
Calls for patience and time are gone now, we cant permanently be a club in transition and struggling.
Has Brendan Rodgers taken years to sort out Puels mess at Leicester, no he hasnt!
Its time we start looking like a bloody team thats had millions spent on it and stop this pissing about all the time.
127 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:32:47
It feels like we dont have enough energy in the side to get the best out of our attacking players.
Could it be time to be direct and play into a front two? Lewin and Tosun?
Can we even play that way?!
Its seems very unlikely given Silvas history.
More likely we play 4-5-1 and play on the counter. That would solve the need to have the ball.
I wouldnt play Delph, hes clearly not fit and, cannot, as we originally thought play a number of games without breaking down.
Its gonna be 4-2-3-1 with Davies with Schniederlin and he will suck the life out of Tom. Tom will get the blame...
I cannot see us winning, I simply have no history or form to tell me we might.
128 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:42:36
129 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:44:33
I just don't know where we go with him if we don't get a result on Sat. A draw probably buys him the Norwich game but a defeat and surely its time to part ways.
Next two games are against two of the worst teams in the league - anything less than 4 points and we're in serious trouble with our Dec fixture list. (As if we weren't in trouble already.)
It's still early in the season but I can see us being tonked away to Leicester and Liverpool in 4 weeks time and don't hold out much hope against a resurgent Chelsea thereafter. So 3 probable losses in a row before making the trips to Manu and Arsenal lovely way to bring in xmas. Potentially 5 games, 5 losses, zero points. We'd then be almost half way through the season so can't bang on the 'it's still early' drum.
Simply HAVE to get a result this Sat - 97th minute winner off Tosuns arse fine by me - don't care how.
130 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:48:57
That's down to the manager in my view.
131 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:50:46
I think we need a lot of energy for this game and therefore don't need the "safe and slow" Schneiderlin.
Southamptons success against City was defend like their lives depended on it and hit on the break.
I don't see them playing that game tomorrow so I think we should reverse it with high energy defending and hitting them on the break.
We also need goalscorers so I would give Gordon a game alongside Richy and Walcott who is due a goal and seems to be back to form With Davies, Iwobi and Siggy in MF.
Lets hope our current manager can inspire them enough for a much needed 3 points and a boost for our long suffering travelling supporters.
132 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:56:43
@ Steve Ferns general - your backing of Silva is quite admirable in the face of what he's actually delivered in 15 months. Although I think you're wrong (I never wanted Silva in the first place), if that's your belief stick to it. (I backed Koeman all the time and thought he was harshly done by given he had the rug pulled from under him with the summer transfers but many others here wanted him gone. Many still think he was crap for us even though we haven't actually finished higher than his first (and only full) season since Martinez' first season.
This site is all about opinions and most of us have gone through phases of 'mass postings'. Swings and roundabouts for me, if people don't like someones post they can just ignore it (am sure some do mine!).
133 Posted 08/11/2019 at 15:59:20
Were going to win! Break the away bugaboo, breathe some life into the squad, out together an inspired performance for their fallen comrade, and just go for it.
Soton Im not sure what theyll do. On the one hand, with their own doubts starting to creep in, Hasenhuttl may want to show the home supporters some fire after that 0-9 embarrassment, and try to play on the front foot. Which would actually play right into our hands (and he may know that).
On the other hand, he may take a different approach and sit back to simply try to pull a result in an ugly, torrid affair. This is where I want to see us/Silva adjust and not just cross & pray. Soton has 3 CBs over 6 foot if Im not mistaken. For this reason, I believe there need to be a Plan A, and a Plan A.2.
If we look to take it to them, Id hope for:
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Davies Iwobi Sigurdsson (Im honestly not convinced he can play here but at this point, why not)
Walcott DCL Richarlison
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Richarlison DCL Sigurdsson (yes I know theres a snowballs chance in hell of this happening but I truly think he could be valuable here)
Either way I want to see 3 forwards.
134 Posted 08/11/2019 at 16:03:54
135 Posted 08/11/2019 at 16:07:54
Towards the end of last season we played the top teams and did well against them. I'm pinning my hopes on that.
136 Posted 08/11/2019 at 16:09:28
Steve Fearns, keep posting mate, and hopefully Silvas Everton can get us a result tomorrow for everyones sake.
137 Posted 08/11/2019 at 16:11:21
Pete #89, Sheeds is only 60 and he'd bump Schneiderlin out of that lineup!
138 Posted 08/11/2019 at 16:20:40
Just my opinion, but to me it's all about the energy here, not the balance.
Jamie #116, bravo for your support of Steve. Now stop posting so much.
139 Posted 08/11/2019 at 16:22:49
140 Posted 08/11/2019 at 16:50:30
141 Posted 08/11/2019 at 16:55:57
142 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:07:31
So often I put in an opinion and (possibly because it's uninteresting) nobody takes me up on it. I think the real reason is most posters come on to vent their spleen, and how often do posters mention that they "haven't had time to read previous posts" and then give an opinion that has already been argued earlier in the thread.
Steve, you do post a lot, but you always have something to say, rightly or wrongly. Post as much as you want remembering that everyone on here is equally entitled to their viewpoint.
You (Steve), always listen and often respond.
I used to put my hand up in class and answer more than my fair share of questions. Other kids might have thought I was a swot. The lesson would have been pretty dull without those that wish to contribute, and on hear listening to other's opinions is just as important as sounding-off, like some do.
Keep on posting.
143 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:09:09
The mans got zero fight or fire.
He just doesn't inspire and his results over 1.5 season back that up.
He shouldn't be in a job he's been dog shit this season.
144 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:10:09
For those unfamiliar with the format Steve will cast his eye over the team selection, will tell you all you need to know about who WILL and who WILL NOT play and in what positions. There will be opportunities to question/ nay offer your views, but Steve's views will be final- there will be no room for argument.
All this will take place before kick-off - Steve will not be open to questions after the match nor will he take any adverse retrospective comments about team or manager performances.
After FINAL Whistle we will be joined by Jay, our very own chattering Jay all the way from the Amazon. He will spend a long, long time disseminating the game, the result, the successes and failures. It will all be there for you - you will not miss a minute of the action. There will even be time for those with a thirst to pop-down to the local for a few pints, while Jay continues to dispense his diatribe about what he has witnessed from the comfort of his armchair, somewhere up the Amazon.
Fear not Jay's views will still be available into the early hours of Sunday. So there is no need to rush back from the pub. He will not disappoint.
So, pop-pickers the pre-match action has already started!! Enjoy the Steve 'n Jay Show - I promise you won't miss a thing!!
145 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:15:25
146 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:17:19
147 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:17:19
148 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:19:49
149 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:20:42
150 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:23:46
151 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:26:53
152 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:32:53
Regarding Steve Ferns, I have met him once, just after Mr Silva took over in 2018. Hes a very nice guy, thoughtful, and a dedicated Evertonian. Thats good enough for me. We disagreed on our new coach, my view was that Marco could not organise a defence. I have been desperate to be proved wrong, for a while towards the end of last season it looked like Steves man was winning through, but this season we have gone backwards. Drastic and prompt action to remedy things is needed.
153 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:33:45
Very accurate very witty
154 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:35:11
I am still in Marco Silvas corner... just ,
he has got to start getting results though, poor VAR decisions, bad luck and injuries have wrecked this season so far and so this is where Silva has to earn his crust and get some points on the board.
December is very tough so Saints and Norwich are six pointers anything less and we well maybe looking for yet another manager with Unworth taking the reins for that differcult run of games which I cant help feeing would not go well.
2-1 to the blues !! COYB
155 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:36:07
Calvert-Lewin with Calvert-Lewin dropping into midfielder when we dont have the ball
156 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:40:10
157 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:49:08
158 Posted 08/11/2019 at 17:50:58
Read @ 153.
Lost and found.
All is well in the world again.
159 Posted 08/11/2019 at 18:04:47
Let's get back to the footy anyway. Saints are a team that I've always liked. Usually they know their place and a team you can expect to beat. Ralph Hasenhuttl is an intriguing character. Known as the Alpine Klopp (due to being Austrian rather than German). The Klopp reference is due to his similar style in the "gegenpressing" mould. He fought his way into the Bundesliga 2 with Aalen (who? exactly) before jumping to Ingolstadt where he turned them around and took them from relegation places to Champions in a season. He then took them to 11th in his only season with them in the top flight, before being lured by the newly promoted and newly rebranded Red Bull Leipzig (back when the Red Bull was prominent). Leipzig set a few records as they surprised everyone finishing 2nd. They then slipped to 6th and Hasenhuttl resigned as they refused to extend his contract, apparently they only wanted him for one more year and then they would change manager. Old Everton admirer Ralf Rangnick was their Director of Football and he took over for a season as manager whilst he waited for Julien Nagelsmann to come in the following season. Hasenhuttl then waited for 6 months until Saints came calling.
Last season he did a decent job getting 30 points for Saints, from 23 games, staying up by 5 points. The team he inherited were bottom two with 1 win from 16 games. Such was his impact that he was still talked up at the earlier part of this season that I heard some pundits asking why Man Utd had not got him in. It's all gone wrong in recent weeks and they have been in freefall. But it's worth remembering how good they have been under the Austrian and that they are more than capable of turning it around.
They should play a 343 type formation with a back 3, two defensive midfielders, a pair of wingbacks, and then a front three of Ings flanked by Redmond and Ward-Prowse. It's the five centrally defensive players who will cause Everton a problem. If they try and defend, then Silva's Everton have failed to show that they have many ideas about how to get through the lines.
We will get the ball out wide, that's where the space will be. I would like to see us getting it out wide and early and then look to play through the lines from the wings. This requires the pace of Iwobi rather than Sigurdsson in the number 10 position. We have to play Sidibe and not Coleman. We need to get our fullbacks forwards and double up on their wingbacks and pull defenders wide to create space in the middle. In doing this, I think we need a safety valve in the middle and with the personnel available, that can only be Schneiderlin. He will be keen to impress his former club, he will be keen to show us he is not "negative" and so he must show this by passing the ball quicker and keeping things moving. I hope he does not go too attacking and try to play like Gomes, because he cannot do that, and we need him to sit in, anchor the midfield and let others get forwards. Ward Prowse and Redmond will drift inside and it'll be important that Davies and Schneiderlin are back to defend when Saints attack. They will press us hard and moving the ball quickly is essential to beating that press, just as Leicester did. We need to switch the ball from side to side at speed, like Leicester did, and we could enjoy the same chances.
My head says a hard fought 1-1 draw, but we have to win, we must win, and so I'm going with a 1-3 win to the Blues.
160 Posted 08/11/2019 at 18:10:49
Thank you. You know of what I speak.
Mike @ 138 -
Don't be such a Seppo.
161 Posted 08/11/2019 at 18:24:04
So its a must win match away at Southampton.
The key word is here AWAY.
As much as I'd love to be optimistic but under Marco Silva I've seen nothing to suggest we are going to get anything but a good spanking on Saturday.
If they score first then god help us, after the 9-0 Southampton are going to be playing like lions in front of their home fans.
Big match for us an even bigger match for Marco.
162 Posted 08/11/2019 at 18:29:07
163 Posted 08/11/2019 at 18:30:19
I hope we channel the "do it for Andre" energy, and draw on that if we go behind and exercise the ghost of never coming from behind (in a league game). We need to be the ones playing like Lions and we need to use the energy of their crowd against them.
Definitely a big match for the Blues. And definitely a game we must win, if Everton are to have any degree of success under Silva.
164 Posted 08/11/2019 at 19:03:28
I think we should expect a high-energy showing from the Saints; they probably need a win even more than we do. I reckon a draw would be an adequate result, all things considered. My concern is that we will be outfought and outthought and come back with no points and even more discontent.
165 Posted 08/11/2019 at 19:31:25
I think we are all still waiting/hoping for the Marco Silva lightbulb Eureka moment.
But it wont come against Southampton.
Trust me I 100% want to win but I also wanted to win against Palace, Villa, Burnley, Brighton & Bournemouth also.
166 Posted 08/11/2019 at 19:31:43
Indignation and anger fueled by a colleagues injury get you no more than a short hit.
The intensity they play with ‘one in however many games is the minimum they should turn out. Why arent the players able to live up to that very basic requirement?
167 Posted 08/11/2019 at 19:53:12
168 Posted 08/11/2019 at 19:59:08
169 Posted 08/11/2019 at 20:48:52
170 Posted 08/11/2019 at 20:59:53
Big match tomorrow though. Great chance to alter the narrative of the season altogether. A defeat and it really is time for a change of manager.
171 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:00:04
172 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:19:14
Before we appointed Silva I recall a number of posters suggesting he should be one we ought to consider. I wasnt among them, but with hindsight maybe I should have been.
173 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:19:47
174 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:24:38
175 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:28:58
176 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:43:18
Havnt been to St Marys since 2014!
Lost 2-0 too 2 own goals in first half hour.
Alcaraz in first minute standing in for Distin and Coleman on the half hour.
Pochetino was the manager and Lambert and Llalana played.
2-0 win coyb
177 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:53:45
Even the most staunch of his supporters will have to accept his record is appalling and cannot be allowed to continue.
Please no Schneiderlin. We have to win not win the passing sideways league.
178 Posted 08/11/2019 at 21:54:05
Such his belief in Silva. It explains why he pursued him so single mindedly, he believes he has made the right choice and he will take it personally if he is proven wrong.
We have nothing to lose now, we should blood as many youngsters as possible, they are our future, Gordon seems the obvious choice to make a start tomorrow, even if it is off the bench.
179 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:00:58
Now they're bottom.
As I've said on previous threads, lets see how the league settles down by end of December. That's when you truly know where you are.
Moyes would have been sacked most seasons based on early season form. I'm not a Moyes fan but just saying.
180 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:10:19
I was one of the voices calling for Brendan Rodgers but got laughed at and some of our lot don't want Kopites here at this massive club despite some of our best players in last 30 years came across the park. Sheedy Ablett, Beagrie, Hutchinson,.
Rodgers missus wanted to come back South as she hated Glasgow. She is from Southport so Everton would of been ideal. I would beg Benitez to leave China and try get him. Fuck the Annfield connection. This chump Silva will take us down. Its what he does best.
Newsflash guys we are not rivals of LFC anymore they have left us in thier dust.
181 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:15:47
The reality is he's neither great nor shite, but ordinary, mediocre, and not what we want.
182 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:21:02
183 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:25:19
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Lookman Deulofeu Richarlison
184 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:28:49
185 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:29:09
Law of averages if nothing else. Weve had rotten luck lately and this has to change soon. A few players are due a good performance and/or goal - Mina has been banging on the door for a while, so if he plays Ill be chucking a tenner on a 2-1 scorecast with Mina scoring first 😃
A win gives us a bit of breathing space and chance to regroup. A defeat however against a determined Southampton desperate to put right that 9-0 reverse is not impossible, but they are a poor side who we should beat if we turn up.
186 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:39:43
It could of been...
Sidibe Stones Mina Digne
Gomes Gana Barkley
Not too shabby
187 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:45:19
188 Posted 08/11/2019 at 22:50:42
190 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:01:12
One's a flop and one's a fop. Neither is remotely a "top".
191 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:03:01
193 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:08:33
They are an average team with a below average manager and so despite playing Soton (absolutely battered by the Foxes) but running City close last week I wouldn't expect much at St.Mary's.
What might have been a midfield to compete with has now been decimated by bad injuries already and what is left doesn't inspire confidence.
With a stuttering offence for the most part there has been little contribution in the way of goals from other areas with Siggy seemingly going backwards much like Walcott.
Kean can't buy game time under Silva so what can we expect.
A defeat tomorrow surely will seal Silva's fate.
Tosun got him out of jail last week against ten man Spurs but it was not a game to remember.
One other footnote, Does anyone else think Carragher is an awful commentator much like Gary Neville ?
194 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:12:56
And before people cite THAT goal, or THAT dribble, or THAT pass to contradict me I actually agree all three displayed very sporadic excellence but nowhere near as much as being "top-drawer" requires.
That's why Barkley remains only a nailed-on bench-warmer, if that, at opulently well-off Chelsea, Duelofeu remains a mainstay this season for Watford right at the bottom of our league, and Lukaku, on stats, is admittedly now doing moderately better in a big, second-placed team at the moment but in a league where the fourth placed "big" team has just been spanked at home by the legendary Glasgow Celtic. Hmm?
Maybe rose-tinted specs should be dispensed with by hard-nosed Blues eh?
195 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:13:37
Sheedy and Hutchison were two great players with RS connections. As for Ablett, he was steady, but he was hardly great either. Beagrie?! I'm guessing you mean Peter Beardsley cos Beagrie flattered to deceive and has no connection to the RS.
196 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:14:02
197 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:15:58
198 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:19:46
I dont know how you can put Lukaku in there with Barkley and Deulofeu. I know many of us questioned Lukakus lethargy, commitment, first touch etc...but the guy scored goals. He didnt flatter to deceive...he bloody carried us.
199 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:26:01
200 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:51:43
I appreciate he blows hot and cold at times but I look at our side and whilst we have some excellent footballers, we still lack a genuine flare element and pace.
Even watching tonight's game. I watched Buendia for Norwich who had genuine pace and trickery and that something different along with Hernandez who again at times waltzed past players... for Watford they of course had Deulofeu and Pereyra. again quick as hell.
We have some exceptional players but not an exceptional team.
Other than Bernard, we have no one who can waltz there way through a couple of players.
Think Traore, Zaha, Deulofeu a 'bums off seat' player who scares the opposition to death. And players of the ilk of Ziyech, Neres, Depay, Berjgwin, Lozano to name a few.
In a word, despite my love for Everton, we are slow and boring with spurts of excitement.
201 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:55:21
Of course Beagrie and Ablett weren't. I agree with you that Don Hutchison was committed, but he also had some guile. He was one of the best Everton players in HK mk3 and Walters time. For me he was excellent and a shining light in that Everton midfield circa 97/99, but yeah, if you wanna distinguish between the good players Tony mentioned, he wasn't the calibre of Beardley or prime Sheedy. Tbh, I hadn't given too much thought about which adjective to use in my original post. I guess you're right and 'excellent' is a few places down from 'great' lol
202 Posted 08/11/2019 at 23:59:36
203 Posted 08/11/2019 at 00:02:06
Brilliant Schneiderlin analysis.
Articulated exactly the player he is Not good enough for Everton Football Club.
3 points tomorrow please.
204 Posted 08/11/2019 at 00:05:50
205 Posted 09/11/2019 at 00:20:29
Two immediate problems emerge to me. One, Brands, a guy with a record of overseeing real achievement in a disadvantaged situation and Kenwright, a guy with a record of no achievement whatsoever in any situation at all, apart from massively swelling his own bank account on the back of every true Blue fans' expense.
For me I'd prefer to stick with Brands and, please, whoever he chooses as our next manager.
It's got to these depths to me, again, unless Silva can somehow still transform the playing team into credible characters, never mind players.
206 Posted 09/11/2019 at 00:24:08
207 Posted 09/11/2019 at 00:30:18
A Southampton website lists all our well known deficiencies and adds - Everton seem to have just as much trouble, if not more, playing themselves as they do the opposition and go in their shell at any untoward crowd noise.
208 Posted 09/11/2019 at 00:35:25
We have this game and the Norwich game to try and turn our season around, if it goes pearshaped then the Chinese super leagues finishes 30th November, whether Everton will make an approach or not I do not know, but the window of opportunity is there if needed.
I would prefer we got a result tomorrow and against Norwich so for now this is on the back burner for me.
Lose them both then there cannot be any other option to relieve the manager of his duty.
209 Posted 09/11/2019 at 00:43:00
As the Telegraph is one of the better sources out there Christ help us if it's true and that's the level our Board is at. Replacing one relegation specialist with another? Never mind Silva, sack the board and replace Blue Bill with a cardboard cut out if that's the level of their thinking.
210 Posted 09/11/2019 at 00:43:21
My late friend and Blue Steve Ashcroft always used to say, "We should have never got rid, mate", when discussing Delo. I bowed to his knowledge; nice and a plus that I agreed. ;0)
Delo did blow hot and cold. But he's got talent, and the ability to raise the pulse of, and excite, the fans. He gets you off your seat.
Or the couch, for us bastardized Yanks forced to watch on the square idiot box.
211 Posted 09/11/2019 at 00:45:51
Yeah, he's lightning quick. So is Royston Drenthe. To even mention this particular butterfly in the same post with the likes of "Ziyech, Neres, depay, Berjgwin, Lozano" is an absolute joke. There's a reason that they're all in the CL and the Euros and the World Cup and he's not. If football were dessert, those guys would be chocolate Gâteau and Dobos torte. Del Boy is the whipped cream on top -- decoration and empty calories.
Jamie, hate to disagree with you and the cherished memory of your buddy, but Deulofeu's exit was anything but a tragedy.
212 Posted 09/11/2019 at 00:52:10
Fair enough. But Gerard would give us, presently, something we desperately lack: excitement.
He'd actually fit in perfectly with Silva's system. Silva continually plays it wide. Stick Gerry on the wing, a la Martinez, and watch him rifle in those low, "snap crosses" of his and we might be in business!
You've never, ever liked Delo. I've always liked him. It's a preference thing. I still think, with his talent, and in the right system, he'd be gold. Probably just another "romantic" thought.
213 Posted 09/11/2019 at 01:01:48
214 Posted 09/11/2019 at 01:11:06
Actually, I did like him very much as a youngster in 2013, and even more during his 2015 partnership with Rom. But by the halfway mark of that season he was strolling around the pitch like he was Pirlo, and I thought he thoroughly deserved to be benched in 2016 and loaned out in 2017.
He no longer appears to be that spoiled kid, but he also clearly never took advantage of that extraordinary talent.
David #213, yes, he can create sublime moments that none of our players are capable of. You just need to be willing to wait around for a month at a time to see them.
215 Posted 09/11/2019 at 01:15:48
216 Posted 09/11/2019 at 01:43:32
He lasted nine games. One goal, one assist. They couldn't wait to dump him.
217 Posted 09/11/2019 at 02:05:15
Well played Everton, well played. Slick move that. Up Marcos tricky Toffees.
218 Posted 09/11/2019 at 02:30:28
I think that, now the FA has come out and sort of admitted that Anthony Taylor cocked up the VAR penalty against Brighton and the decisions in the Tottenham game were less than helpful, I think Moshiri is an honourable guy and will realize that and Silva will be given the next two “winnable” matches against the Saints and Norwich.
Less than a couple of wins could put us back in the relegation zone with ⅓ of the season gone. Two wins will put us in mid-table. If the unthinkable happens it doesn't matter what anyone here says, we are in deep doodo!
219 Posted 09/11/2019 at 03:45:21
Personally speaking anything less than a win against Norwich at home and at least a draw tomorrow would finish me totally with Silva. I already think we should be lining a replacement up but if he can turn things around would give him to the end of the season.
If we lose these two games or only get a point I cannot see him surviving the end of the Norwich game.
However no matter how I feel about Silva I would prefer us to get 3 points tomorrow.
220 Posted 09/11/2019 at 04:13:07
I sit here at 3:42 in the morning, wide awake, would be a lie, but unable to sleep all the same.
I feel today's game is a must-win. Have absolutely no confidence it will be...but will nevertheless hope from 3 pm onwards.
Then I'll come back here..fill my glass up again and fret and worry alongside the rest of you.
I was at The Dell, sometime in the '80s. when the giddy heights of being Champions had recently been experienced... but, I recall feeling apprehensive before that game, because Everton had turned from being dependable...into the other woman wildly unpredictable.
I think we went 3-0 up rather rapidly... Graeme Sharp grabbed a hat trick if I remember correctly.
Ended up 4-0,
Hand on heart... I cannot see this Everton side producing such a result today. And for me, it has nothing to do with tactics...or how much money you can throw into the transfer market... it's about heart, guts, and passion. None of us can complain about passion on ToffeeWeb You don't disagree about things you don't care about do you..?
Just think where else could you talk absolute bollocks in the early hours of the morning, trying to tire yourself out, so you can sleep before Everton let you down again? Ramble? Yes, I can... Come on you Blues... don't let us down. Another one, please, Mr Bartender...
221 Posted 09/11/2019 at 04:25:11
222 Posted 09/11/2019 at 07:02:56
Hope all the travelling Toffees wrap up warm itll be a cold one and were all warmed up by a win here and then vs Norwich. These matches are companion pieces.
223 Posted 09/11/2019 at 08:35:28
So, two crap teams, the worst home form versus the (next to) worst away form.
Should be televised.
As a warning or a means to get the kids to go to bed. “ Get to bed or Ill make you watch Saints v Everton “.
Oh! How the mighty are fallen!
224 Posted 09/11/2019 at 08:39:52
Whether it be a penalty, against or for, or a Red Card it never alters the outcome of a game!
As for today, I think a lot will hinge on who he selects, and although we are getting a bit 'bare bones' in the midfield department, I just hope and pray that Schneiderlin is not wheeled out as a replacement for the unfortunate Gomes.
Hoping too to see two up front and at least see Anthony Gordon on the bench, but Silva being Silva, I would be very surprised to see him alter anything from his predictable and boring team selections.
225 Posted 09/11/2019 at 08:51:18
If the youngsters arent any good, at least weve given them a go. Being no good only means that theyre at the same level as schneiderlin.
A properly organised, motivated tactically aware Everton would win this comfortably. But it is Marcos Everton so a shit nil nil or one nil defeat.
Im usually super optimistic about our chances but not today. Prove me wrong Everton. COYB
226 Posted 09/11/2019 at 08:55:01
It really is depressing. Our away form is dreadfull and even when we do look like getting a win away(Brighton) the Gods conspire to prevent it with VAR and own goals.
I live in hope that this team can start at a high tempo. If only we could go ahead early-on in a game then we could play with confidence.
The loss of Gomes couldn't have come at a worse time, and with Delph a doubt and Mina clearly having been rushed back too soon, we are in danger of running out of players.
I feel that the best we can hope for is a draw.
227 Posted 09/11/2019 at 09:30:54
I have zero confidence we can win here Saints will be up for it and our midfileld is depleted otherwise I thought our defence showed signs of improvement last week.
DCL & Tosun to start and Keane to come on early for Tosun if needed. Stand by for a franetic 90 in lashing down rain, get those long studs on.
FWIW I hope its BS about the Dour One and Sparky.
228 Posted 09/11/2019 at 09:39:08
I'm not saying this is rational thinking, but then supporting Everton was never a rational choice, I was taken to the match when I was 7 and Everton were great and had Alex Young and Co. So I grew up with a winning expectation that sort of infused into my blood so to speak. Not winning just produces disappointment automatically, as if the universe has been knocked out of harmony.
Perhaps a problem with the Club is a lack of winning mentality. Where winning every game is viewed as a must. Every game is a must win game. And not winning should naturally produce disappointment. In this respect, I don't think there should be any debate between us, since I think every Evertonian should be disappointed if we don't win, and if they're not they should condition themselves mentally to be so.
229 Posted 09/11/2019 at 09:46:22
230 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:06:43
231 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:09:51
Southampton a re a better team, the battles will have to be won, and victory will have to be earned the hard way. But we have more quality.
So six points from the next 2 games is very achievable. It would be a shot of adrenaline for the club.
232 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:15:19
With nothing to show for the past quarter-century except, perhaps, the pragmatism of David Moyes, and little to hope for bar the prospect of a new stadium, just maybe better times are ahead ! Of course we've hoped for that ever since the last century and the signs are we shall wait a bloody while longer.
So, do yourselves a favour and stop hoping. The days of Catterick, Kendall 1 - and even bloody Moyes -are long gone. Only our past -the long ago past - is worthy of mention. If we don't accept Everton for the car crash it's become we should find something else to write about. Like Brexit.
233 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:15:53
Mind I think if we fail to win today I think he and Moshiri will find a very different attitude from our fans. With a tough run of fixtures coming up in December, today and the home game against Norwich is I believe our last chance to put back to back wins together and move away from the bottom 5.
234 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:27:29
Desperate for 3 points 1 is not good enough against them
Silva needs gone regardless of the result he has had long enough to show he is capable of taking us forward and failed miserably
VAR and all the other excuses cannot mask the fact that Silva in his time here has been abysmal.
Maybe Im wrong but 2 pre seasons, performances and results dont lie
We are where we are because we deserve to be not because of VAR
235 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:28:38
The previous results at Southampton this century do no look promising for a win today. Will our coach gamble or play conservatively? I hope for the first but expect the latter, we will see.
236 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:43:48
237 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:45:04
We are again being made favourite at 6/4 but I cant muster any confidence that we will win the game.
The future is not looking great, what with injuries to first choice players and lack lustre performances.
We need to start winning against teams such as Southampton, if we don't do soon its getting really serious.
238 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:47:25
However, they have won 3 senior trophies since the last time we lifted any silverware. So from that perspective you could argue it either way.
Fact is right now, if you lined up their team next to ours and asked which players would make the other, I think wed all agree wed snap their arm off for half their team. Not sure any of our players would make theirs right now tbh. History aside, the fact is today they have a far superior team to ours having spent a fraction of what weve spent and on a lower wage bill. They are also playing a damn site better and a whole lot more watchable.
I dont think we should dismiss them as being mediocre, they are a better side. Also you dont win the league being lucky, so I give them massive credit for winning it a few years ago. Was a season where they gelled and all credit to them. They are the current standard we should be trying to copy. Well never get near City with the oil money they have.
We have absolutely no right to belittle any other side right now as were playing shit, are near the bottom and havent won anything for 25 years!
239 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:47:27
The only hope for Marco is a win on the South coast. A boost to morale followed by another win against relegation certainties.
We have to put clear air between Watford, Southampton, Norwich and ourselves. A couple of wins would see us up in the top 7.
It's a crucial game.
240 Posted 09/11/2019 at 10:55:15
241 Posted 09/11/2019 at 11:10:10
I'll happily take 3 points in any fashion currently but a clean sheet and a genuine non-VAR attributable goal would be nice.
I've always thought Ward-Prowse (?) was a very good underrated player. The type of player that we have been missing who can bring forward drive, goals, good range of passing, crossing and link up play.
Hopefully Davies can continue to play well and add a few goals to his game. Midfielders who can score goals appear to have been ignored from our recruitment policy in recent years but without a genuine goal scoring striker we lack a goal threat.
That's why Siggy is important, for his goals and I think he'll be back in the starting line up today. Not saying it should be this way but without Bernard and Gomes we need his passing and goal threat.
242 Posted 09/11/2019 at 12:03:24
When you weigh up, not only the ridiculous salaries, but compensation packages that have bee 'awarded' to Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce. It is a staggering sum, and when you add to that the budgets that in many cases have seen us overspend on players, and unfortunately we do not seem to have improved since the days when we were skint.
243 Posted 09/11/2019 at 12:06:00
244 Posted 09/11/2019 at 12:24:13
245 Posted 09/11/2019 at 12:37:51
246 Posted 09/11/2019 at 12:44:25
Will we ? Sadly I doubt it with this crowd. It will be wet and cold and after we concede the first goal due to being half awake our heroes will be looking forward to a warm shower and some post match hospitality.
After, of course, applauding our travelling fans.
247 Posted 09/11/2019 at 12:44:50
PS @ Eric 243 have you seen Decembers fixtures!
248 Posted 09/11/2019 at 12:51:32
If Delph is also out today I cannot see what's left getting the win unless Silva waves a magic wand (if he has one).
249 Posted 09/11/2019 at 12:55:07
I first started watching us in the early '60s, we had a proud history and were, in my old dad's words, ‘football royalty'. If we don't aspire to be challenging for honours, then what's the point? Whether we win them or not – usually not for too long – we should still challenge.
Our club has been let down for years by people at the top aspiring for no more than mid-table placings and the oft-quoted ‘plucky little Everton'. Disgraceful. We as a fan base deserve far more.
When Liverpool were rubbish under Hodgson and Hicks and Gillette, they didn't lower their sights and accept second-best, as we found to our cost. Even when Man Utd went down to Division 2 years ago, they still considered themselves a great club. So much is in the positive mentality - and some of the crew who run our club don't have it.
Football runs in cycles and, with the right attitude, we can get back up there again; other clubs have done it. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum – that should be our aspiration at every training session and every game.
250 Posted 09/11/2019 at 13:08:54
My wording was clumsy. I mean the gap between our expectations, as you point out, and the rather poor fist our directors, manager and players actually deliver over the past 30 years in no way match up.
251 Posted 09/11/2019 at 13:09:36
252 Posted 09/11/2019 at 13:10:21
Just saying. It wouldn't surprise me at all on that evidence if he makes the team today. Also not saying that is necessarily a good or bad thing, given that Silva himself said Fabian has played more minutes and games than ideal.
He's appeared 10 times already for the Blues this season compared to the 20 appearances he had with City last season.
253 Posted 09/11/2019 at 13:17:51
If we really don't want to play 3 miss then in a 4-2-3-1 we could go with just Tom and Gylfi, with Iwobi in front. Pretty sure Sigurdsson has played central midfield for Iceland and Swansea.
If Gomes can play in a two alongside Davies, then no reason Sigurdsson can't. He works harder, is no slower or less mobile, defensively is no worse and probably won't give up daft free-kicks in dangerous areas. He'd get on the ball more than at AMC (or SS, whatever) and can arrive at the edge of the box to get in some long-range shooting positions.
254 Posted 09/11/2019 at 13:23:26
It wasn't my intention to take any fellow Blues to task; apologies if it came out that way. We're obviously in agreement about the direction our club has taken anyway.
255 Posted 09/11/2019 at 13:32:25
I watched both games with Saints, the humiliation of being mauled by Leicester, and the subsequent turn around against Man City.
Okay, they lost the last one, but they were in front for a lot of that game, and looked a totally different side from the week before. While I have always maintained that we have some decent players, it is the selection and combination of the right players for a given match that Silva seems unable to fathom out.
256 Posted 09/11/2019 at 13:55:07
257 Posted 09/11/2019 at 13:59:04
258 Posted 09/11/2019 at 14:00:14
We find ourselves at the annual point where we bay for the sacrificial managerial victim to make us feel a little better as if installing a better dressed Sam Allardyce or a perennial Doctor of Dourness like (God help us) Mark Hughes or Davey Moyes. What a way to run a railway.
The thing about luck is that it changes all by itself but changing managers a third of the way into the season is inviting disaster. If you do need to change managers, do it properly and not out of panic.
259 Posted 09/11/2019 at 14:03:38
260 Posted 09/11/2019 at 14:05:33
Good luck Rob!
261 Posted 09/11/2019 at 14:12:52
I agree we should be more competitive than we are at this moment, but hopefully we can string a few positive games together and get on a more even keel. I cant say I'm confident though, the club is a comedy of errors.
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