Moshiri hopes Ancelotti's experience can succeed where previous coaches have failed

That's a pretty harsh assessment and a misreading to a degree of the fans by Moshiri that doesn't appreciate the context of the erosion of our faith in Silva, which began last season after the Anfield derby, was hastened by the defeats to Villa and Sheffield United this term and intensified in the weeks that followed by dreadful performances and results.

Evertonians just want to see forward progress, Farhad. We have big dreams and ambitions but our only expectations are that the players show the passion and fight that Duncan has just demanded of them and that the club appears to be going in the right direction.

The appointment of Ancelotti is certainly a step forward but it will only bring tangible results if we get the recruitment right which, to date, has been decidedly mixed, particularly pre-Brands.

Martinez - inconsistent bullshitter who talked the talk but who managed two consecutive bottom half finishes whilst still talking as though we were a top team. His in game management was atrocious. Who can forget being 2-0 up at home to West Ham with 11 minutes left. Down to ten men and he brings on a striker. We lost 3-2. Deluded snake oil salesman.

Koeman - aloof, arrogant and absent. Just didn’t get the club and didn’t connect with the fans.

Allardyce - was just Allardyce

Silva - less of a bullshitter than Martinez but very much in the same mould. He has been dealt a bad hand this season with injuries and the failure to sign players in key positions but his inability to change tactics in-game was his undoing; as evidenced by his shameful record in games when the opposition scored first.

We are desperate for a manager to succeed and are desperate for one who gives us something to be proud of. We will get behind them if they give us something to get behind.

My Christmas wish is for him and Boys Pen Bill to button it. Just sign the cheques Mosh, and just wave and smile Bill. Other than that, shut up.

Weird thing is give us a real trier like the Straq or Niasse proving Koeman wrong and we love them to bits.

As much as it sickens me to say this, in order to be a top club you need to throw money about like confetti, Minimum 150mil every window or you are not going to be dining at the top table. If you want Zaha you feckin GET Zaha not Iwobi, End of story

Sounds to me like a guy with egg on his face, As with Silva he demanded a turn at driving the proverbial trainset and he unceremonialsy smashed it into a brick wall, ,,,A lot of things will need to happen to make Carlo's reign succesful

Investment in TOP players is the main one

As fans we want the best players playing attractive football are expectations "standards" are high because our DNA is built on only th e best is good enough..

The egos of Mosh and Bill are embarssing when in the spotlight of the media...

Carlo has taken on a massive job all his experiance will now be put to the test...

Dunc has flamed the embers of hope into a fire, can Carlo keep the fire burning and into a inferno of passion and successes for both players and fans.

We demand because we deserve only the best..

The spot light is on Carlo now half the media is already against our new manager so it really is a must for the fans to back Carlo so we can all stick a finger up to them by becoming winners again

He's tried mid-level and low-level managers, and it hasn't worked to get us beyond midtable. So now he's finally trying the best available. We've signed very good players under Brands, and need to see how Ancelotti can use them, organise them, to best effect, and then take things from there, identifying new signings as required.

Now, one thing that is not mentioned in this interview, is Everton's track record of letting our best players leave when they're in their prime, without adequate replacement, all the way from Ball in 1971 to Gana at the end of last season. He has to be aware that this tendency must stop in order to be a big club and stay at the top consistently, otherwise even a manager of Ancelotti's ability will be undermined.

The language used was misplaced but there’s a degree of truth about the sentiment. How? It’s only become that way because a rich billionaire took over and rightly the money spent should have translated to more.

The owner has been at the heart of three poor appointments. For a fella who should know the value of money it’s taken him some time to show it.

1. Of all the managers since Moshiri bought us, they’ve all had a common quality - stubbornness! If something wasn’t working, they didn’t change! No flexibility! Evertonians are not mugs! If we see something needs changing, and it doesn’t change, we’ll let the manager know!

2. How is any club to progress when we consistently sell our best players and replace them with inferior ones! As mentioned above, this is a constant trait at Everton! You want to bridge the divide, keep your best players and add more! No more of this, “stay till the seasons end and you can have your transfer” bullshit!

3. You hired Allardyce! He’s an older manager, and he’s a bag of wank! He had an opportunity (after Unsworth moved us away from the relegation places) to show the world he had the skills to play more expansive football. He didn’t. The fans let him know he’s a twat.

4. We’ve had years of Bill Kenwright blowing snot into his hanky regaling tales of yore! Now that’s fucking patience! What we don’t need is a richer guy doing his best impression of Bill! Be your own man Moshiri, bin the fucktards off pronto and most Evertonians will love you!!

Its not warranted. But I will go further. If we are two defeats from disillusionment then we have been conditioned by what has been said, promised and served up to us for 10 years or more.
We have never fallen short in the support of our club. The directors have. The managers have, the players have.
The treatment of supporters has been disgraceful, communication non existent and trust has been lost in the pursuit of truth. If we are damaged goods then look to see who has damaged us. Trust is a two way street and its plain to see from this comment that there is precious little held on both sides.

Give us something to believe in Moshiri, if Ancelloti's as good as his record shows then he does not need to be warned as to our expectations, he will know he has a job to do.

Have you been to Goodison Park for a lunchtime kick off? The atmosphere is regularly non-existent. Ferguson commented on the atmosphere not being the same as for Chelsea after the game.

It’s been the same for games against all but the top six and some other notable ‘big clubs’ under the last five managers.

It’s time for Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid to let the pros run the club and to stop sticking their noses in things they haven’t a clue about. Only then will we progress as a club.

Plenty of us have given him dog’s abuse as thanks for his pains so why shouldn’t he aim a little back at us.

The fact he chose to appoint weak and mediocre managers has led to the rancor he talks about. The money he put in raised expectations and shortened patience. The situation he describes is partly of his own making.

Had he spent the money on the manager first up, he’d probably have gotten better results and the money spent on far better players. Many of the better players would have been open to come to us and we’d have had far more cash to make it happen.

However, he’s telling everyone he knows that every appointment he makes has very little time before the keyboard warriors come back out to run him down. And many of the players too. Do we ever think about our entitled position and expectations based on a long ago history? Not often. We deserve better apparently - although most fans are very unwilling to accept their role in backing team when the chips are down.

I hope Ancelotti does well, but our expectations are too high based on our recent history.

Chris Mason (22) My first reaction was "Bull***t" my second was that the manager gets booed for selection of a team that doesn't deliver, the team gets booed for not even trying to deliver..

Keyboard warriors? Every single person who posts on this site has a view, and they are entitled to it. Doesn't mean to say its right, accurate or even warranted.. but thats part of the reason this site exists, if it didn't we would be sitting in a Tesco car park in Kirkby..

If you haven't got passion, don't get up in the morning.

Also, booing the manager after losing 2 games is not unique to Everton. It seems like West Ham fans are booing the manager every other week. I've heard booing from Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs fans this season. It happens in a lot of sports. The Philadelphia Eagles in the NFL booed Santa Claus

Farhad, don't take knee-jerk disillusionment to heart so much.

The underlying sentiment is always that Evertonian's demand a high standard, and demand the board find a way to achieve it. If us fans start accepting mediocrity, the club's finished.

Maybe it's an over-statement, but it's fair enough to say that the club's form and fortunes are often traceable by the atmosphere and reaction at Goodison Park. When it's going well, the stadium rocks. It's well noted in the media and Silva was well aware the effect that the fans had on the team. Ferguson knew that better than anyone and targeted getting the supporters' passions up.

But it's fickle. It doesn't take much for the whole thing to turn around. The past 5 managers have been on the wrong end of a discontent Goodison. Only Moyes and to a lesser degree Silva last season managed to recover once the mood shifted.

It's not a criticism. People who pay their hard-earned wages and invest their time in turning up on a matchday deserve to be rewarded with a bare minimum of effort.

But it makes it a tough ask. I think he is right about Silva. The guy is a decent coach. Performances last season showed what his team could do, but when the going got fought this season he didn't have the answers and couldn't win back the home crowd.

Dunc was understood that his biggest weapon would be to create a bear pit atmosphere that would spur the team on. It's also why I think his time as manager wouldn't have stood the test of time, because it takes more than a bumping stadium to achieve success long-term.

As for the idea that clubs are owned by the fans. Well, that ship didn't even sail – have we ever had ownership?

Enjoy the game, folks. Up the Blues.

Most of us say it as we see it, and let them know quickly. And incidentally, I believe that, without us taking this stance, we as a club would've well been in the Championship. So the two game loses from being disowned he states in general I believe is true, which, for me, is why we have stayed in the top flight for all these years. The fans have kept us there. Simple equation for me: the passion goes and the club goes.

Moshiri has had to put 'more' money in because he didn't appoint wisely... (or luckily) and those appointees didn't spend wisely.

He's (hopefully) learning by some very expensive mistakes.

He won't exactly be dependent on food parcels this Christmas. His only real outlay was spending the money he got from his Arsenal shares.

Fair play to him, he finally / hopefully(?) got it right with Brands and Ancelotti.

I just hope somebody has shown Burnley a copy of the script for Boxing Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4R_qnoFYDY.

But I did not notice Iwobi, Fabian Delph, Walcott or Schneiderlin training with the rest of Everton players. Must be rated doubtful for the game against Burnley on Boxing Day.

The fans at Goodison have been starved of anything much to shout about for 25 years, yet they remain hungry for an upturn in fortunes. They don't want caviar served on a silver-plater; they want good wholesome food, ie, a pan of scouse that will nourish and satisfy their appetite on a regular basis. What they have been served up is a small bowl of lukewarm gruel purchased by those who are easily duped but who honestly believed they were buying the best caviar in the world at prices to match.

The supporters don't buy the players, they don't manage or train the players, they merely spectate and show their appreciation, or lack of it, as the performances demand.

It's not the losing of two consecutive fixtures that is the barometer for the fans, it's the inability to get two consecutive victories that is the measure they use and how many times has that happened in the last few years? How many times has the club won two away games on the bounce?

I'm sure that Mr Moshiri believed he was making a salient observation; however, the fans didn't sack any of his managers, he could have stuck by each and every one of them if he so wished, it's his prerogative as the owner of the club.

Please Mr Moshiri, leave the football side of the club up to the football people that you employ and you take care of the finances. Had you done that from Day One, we would be a lot further ahead in your project. Also, please never, even accidentally, blame the supporters for the inability of the players to achieve results, as you readily admit they are an important aspect of the club and, without them on board, success will be harder to achieve.

I'm hoping this TalkSport interview isn't a re-hash of the Peter Johnson 'The money's out there on the pitch' scenario.

"I think this is one of the most difficult clubs. We don't have the financial base but the fans' expectations are huge so I think this mismatch somehow needs to be resolved."

This is, put plainly, piffle. We are, what, top 8 in turnover in the PL? When we finished 8th for consecutive seasons I don't recall a demand for UCL football. Many felt we deserved to be where we were.

The volume of discord has been turned up when we have clearly underperformed below where we should be.

I suggest Mr. Moshiri steps back & re-thinks his fan expectations at the club.

Great guy financially for the club, but increasingly obvious he is out of touch with the fan base.

I like chairmen/owners better when they're quiet, don't you?

As the majority owner, I think he's also entitled to interpret what he sees and feels; and what he sees and feels is the crowd at Goodison during match day.

Again, there is merit to ask the majority owner to leave the footballing decisions to the experts, but if we had spent plenty of money in certain things, who would begrudge us if we want to have a say or two?

Thus far, there is no sign that he is leveraging the club, in the way that the Glazers did to Man Utd. The way he's gone about financing the club seems, to the average fan, reasonable enough.

All things considered, I think Moshiri has been moderate enough, when you compare him to the other owners across the league (Newcastle, Aston Villa - Lerner, Cardiff under the Malaysian tycoon etc.)

I do sometimes wonder what influence Bill retains and honestly do not believe the club will truly evolve until he disappears from the club - changing a culture is not as easy as buying a player or changing manager.

Ultimately - he's made some poor appointments, and let's be honest, on 'advice' by those around him; but when things have gone wrong, he's dealt with them.

The alternative is continued stagnation, as neither Martinez, Koeman or Silva honestly 'got this club' like Moyes did in his early years. Let's 'hope' we finally have the right guy to carry us forward towards the next phase...

Merry Christmas to one and all.

ps. Christine, your tesco car park comment made me shudder. Brrr!

To me the first set of 'analysis' seemed overly harsh on Moshiri. Here there's a lot more balance, but again loads of people have really lashed out at what I felt was a fair, if not self preserving statement.

His response was more measured than say, Kenwright's usual gushing froth.

I hope in hindsight he sees that Allardyce's appointment was a real low point, but then at the time had he made an appointment that paid off then we could have seen more and more public involvement from him... another tabloid trainset. He wanted Silva, and it's not worked out. I'm not glad it's not worked out, but I do hope Moshiri continues from a back seat rather than using the club as a platform for his musings.

Maybe he was becoming disillusioned, only for Ferguson getting the team to fight and Goodison to roar for him to sit up and remember/realise/revel what could be.

Let's not be too harsh on him - I'm sure we have all been disillusioned at points, during, and certainly before his arrival.

People will spin and contort Moshiri's words. Journalists already are making out Ancelotti is here to save us from relegation.

I know by writing on here I am being contradictory to the point I'm trying to make, but perhaps it's time to listen more to the quieter majority than the volatile reactionary boo boys (or girls) who all too often tell us the sky is falling in because of a misplaced pass, the inclusion of the latest whipping boy, we're not top of the league or something else that means the world's not fair.

Don't get me wrong, we shouldn't have to sit in silence gratefully happy-clapping whatever is being served up, but perhaps take a deep breath, look at the the 'bigger picture' of where we were, were we are and what's on the horizon. If we're successful we will have bought it, if we carry on stutrering we won't be any further forward... drive out Moshiri and well, we're left ringfenced with false promises.

Again, we don't have to bow down to Moshiri and his every word, but we equally don't have to dissect his words and turn them into conspiratorial nonsense... or give credence to those who make their living from doing just that.

Once you get there, if you don't mind writing a lengthy article on ToffeWeb on how to do so, that'd be great ;)

For example Romelu Lukaku was the first striker we’ve had for year’s to score 20 goals plus but it wasn’t enough for some because he didn’t work hard and do the running.

I pray that Ancelotti and the board get it right and we build a successful team but the minimum requirement is steel to match the skill.

He’s the one who came in with “stars in his eyes” and Kenwright, being of the theatrical nature, he was surely never going to tell Moshiri the true nature of football in this city, especially because it’s possible that the man doesn’t truly understand? (Sorry)

I'm concerned that those in the club blocking real change will think that now we have a 'world class' manager, they can carry on as before.

The mentality of the club must change from top to bottom and if Moshiri does anything, I'd like him to use this appointment as a catalyst for real change throughout the club.

Moshiri is the best thing to happen to this club since we appointed Joe Royle to be our manager. The club is his plaything until he gets fed up of it. Would anyone swap him back for Boys Pen Bill?

The moaning out of some on here is embarrassing.

He may well be riding on the back of Usmanov's billions and laundering money through the UK; if you can't beat them, join them.

If I had the same billions, I would have made the same mistake with Koeman. The guy was more interested in golf than managing a club.

Allardyce was always going to ride to the rescue as it's what he does. It's his personality that gets him the sack rather than his football.

Silva was unlucky and a bit too accepting of the hand he kept getting dealt. Losing Gueye and Zouma cost him his job. Mourinho has got the violins out for poor old Son again after him not being that type of player again. Silva never seemed to have that fight.

Onwards with the next chapter. It's all very well having a squad full of internationals. We have far too many icing on the cake types rather than the ones who work selflessly for others. The team lacks a spine. Ancelotti has to go out and buy a new spine for the team; otherwise, it will be the same old same old.

Oh and we, the miserable fuckers of fans, get impatient after 2 home defeats? What a gobshite! Feels like this club is his plaything.

Yup, absolute gobshite, that Farhad.

Sean @48: A knobhead? Get a grip, man!

A man comes in and invests hundreds of millions into the club and people are giving him stick?

I heard a DJ the other day saying he was not prepared to play “the Fairytale of New York” because the lyrics don't represent Christmas, and instantly thought of food banks.

Like it or not, it is not only Football, but entertainment too, and very much a results business. The fans will rightly show disapproval, if none of the criteria are being fulfilled.

I know it's early days, and a ball has not been kicked under the tutelage of Carlo yet, but I feel a genuine cause for optimism, and a feeling that at long last we have the right man to lead us to the Promised Land.

It won't obviously happen overnight, but a few extra quality additions could make a vast amount of difference, and there will be 'No Hiding Place' for anyone who thinks they are on the Gravy Train.

Is Ancelotti the “lucky general" Moshiri is looking for? I hope so. It was certainty lucky that he was unemployed when we were looking for a manager. As someone once said, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. I'm hoping Ancelotti is both. UTFT

I can see how he now views the Duncan period though. "I bought these people racehorses, but they prefer blood and thunder." No, you didn't, Farhad; you bought a load of shit and are now having to chase your losses.

I can imagine Sigurdsson's agent whispering this sort of shit in his ear. He's also, at a conservative estimate, blown about £200M of the club's money in the last four years with a series of disastrous financial missteps. Be in no doubt, though: this chap will drop his 'Goodison experience' at the first opportunity and without a backward glance.

You were either deaf or comatose for the end of Bobby brown shoes' tenure. As for the other one, well-read Winston at post 14 he puts it very elegantly & eloquently.

The DJ said he didn't feel comfortable playing it. World has gone mad. People are selling morals for a moment of fame.

Moshiri's biggest mistake has been his opening statements and they have continued until now.

He talked about Champions League after selling Stones and buying Ashley Williams.

Missed out on Sissoko with a blag bid so James McCarthy then became Everton family, as an excuse.

Had Koeman finger Barkley for every poor team performance so he could be sold for good money, that backfired.

Told us Lukaku had messages from witch Doctors, all to alienate us and push the sale.

You don't sell your best to the teams above you and buy from below to improve. That has never worked anywhere.

I picked up on all of this along the way and got nothing but negative reactions. Now we are not far off too late and it's an issue for everyone to gripe about.

The flack that Martinez and Allardyce still get on here, is ridiculous. What I will agree on, is we should be dissatisfied and show it when players don't give their all.

As for Moshiri criticism, I think people shouldn't be so thin-skinned, after all he's had plenty over the time he's been here.

All that matters here is what happens on the pitch. Talking, by players, managers, owners, CEOs, etc. is largely irrelevant and shouldn't really cause the ire it is doing on this thread.

It's a bit late for that now, we have what we have and it's a big job for anyone. I'll support any manager and I am fully prepared for some messy results along the way.

Plenty of reason to be optimistic. The stars are aligning. A quality manager, an owner with lots of dosh, a director of football who seems to know what he is on about... and Big Dunc. The squad is pretty good too as things go.

Here's to an exciting (hopefully) new era.

If Moshiri and Brands think the problem lies with the coach and not the quality of squad we really are in trouble.

Moshiri doesn’t come across to me as knowledgeable about football or players. He’s got the cash and seems that he wants to call the shots. It’s his money to piss down the pan, along with our dreams.

You can spend billions, Moshiri, but, if it's on dross and shite, then yes we will be unhappy fans. You have a cheek, when you have sold up and gone, we will be here, rain or shine, you numpty.

Or putting it a different way "Moshiri you have a cheek." Spending millions of your own money to buy the shares in the club, improve Finch Farm, allow the purchase of players, support the new stadium and countless other things. Well doing that doesn't give you a right to say anything, alright?

It's far far far above Nil Satis Nisi Mediocrity, which is where we have been for far too many years now...

If fans get impatient, it's because their Optimum expectations are not being met.

The bar was set high, it has to stay high.

But I totally agree having to sell our best players does not help, but that situation is not uncommon. It effects most teams. As long as Mosh keeps on funding the club with his dosh his opinion does count.

I think the change to a more continental 2 tier approach of football director / recruiter and a separate coach / team manager does not help when a club has been unsettled without form, style, players or leadership.

It may work in the long term but is always likely to take several years for a partnership to gain trust and understanding.

In many ways this could be Ancelotti's hardest challenge. On the other he almost has a clean slate to imprint his identity and style on the team.

The next 12 months will be very interesting. Hopefully in a positive way.

We have had some really cruel luck with injuries and have not been able to play what would be the first choice midfield all season but I really get the sense that Ancellotti will prove savvy and flexible enough to get us results. We still have a decent squad and the young players have been very impressive.

I would not be surprised to see Gbamin playing in the back four when he returns with Holgate covering the back line. So happy with the club, it’s been bumpy but we are going to the right place. All the best to Evertonians everywhere. Ancellotti what a Christmas present.