The England U21 midfielder was farmed out to the Rams for his latest development assignment during the summer transfer window but has struggled to impress at Pride Park, making just seven league starts this season.
It is hoped that the 22-year-old can reignite his form with Wigan where he will link up with former Blues Joe Williams and Antonee Robinson.
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1 Posted 03/01/2020 at 21:55:51
Derby have just had Rooney join them in a player coach capacity. He'd bring value to their players and especially a young Blue so why not keep him there as Rooney will know him from his short spell back with us.
2 Posted 03/01/2020 at 22:01:02
He does know him. And if Rooney rated him in any way, whatsoever, even the slightest bit, hed not be pulling on a Wigan Substitite tracksuit next week.
Old Sheedy himself.
3 Posted 03/01/2020 at 22:04:32
From all reports Ive read and heard he just doesnt possess the work ethic to make it at the highest level.
I can never understand players that arent willing to bust a gut.
A quick glance at all the best players over the years (Messi, Ronaldo, Gerrard to name a few) or the best teams, Peps Barcelona, the earned the right to showcase ability by working so damn hard.
4 Posted 03/01/2020 at 22:07:37
5 Posted 03/01/2020 at 22:10:59
Dowell has flat-out failed there. After starting the first six games of the season, he was subbed out of a dismal performance at Brentford, and since then has appeared in only 4 games out of 20. And since the first week, Derby hasn't won a single game the kid has played in.
His career is spiraling down the drain. Maybe Paul Cook is the manager to save it. He's pretty damn good.
Otherwise, Dowell is headed for a life of Stockport County and Accrington Stanley.
6 Posted 03/01/2020 at 22:12:08
7 Posted 04/01/2020 at 00:10:00
Hopefully playing alongside these two again, and with Joe Royle involved, it will help Dowell kick on. This really must be his last chance though.
8 Posted 04/01/2020 at 02:07:45
Dowell is a more intelligent Ross Barkley. Good on the ball, one touch passing and a sweet left foot but he does little out of possession.
John Lundstram is " the one who got away"
9 Posted 04/01/2020 at 02:54:10
10 Posted 04/01/2020 at 04:23:45
11 Posted 04/01/2020 at 06:25:15
Ross and Dowell are lightyears apart Im afraid. To say that Dowell is more intelligent than Barkley is just plain wrong.
Just look at what Ross had achieved by the time he was Dowells age. Despite an absolutely horrific injury as well.
Ross worked his socks off. He didnt go steaming into tackles or win headers in the middle of the park, this didnt come naturally to him. But he always showed for the ball, never hid and always tried to make things happen. He didnt always get it right but he was always trying.
Hes arguably got just as crisp a left foot strike as Dowell, despite it being his weaker foot.
As for Lundstram, you are surely basing this opinion on the last 4 months alone?
Hell be a mid table at best kind of club player. No more than that, and if hes the best of what we couldve had then I can live with that
12 Posted 04/01/2020 at 06:43:29
13 Posted 04/01/2020 at 06:57:47
Also I'm waiting for Robinson to be signed up by a prem team soon. Rolls Royce of a player imo.
Loved Barkley but he too only worked hard without the ball when koeman beasted him. In modern football work ethic is the staple before talent. Ross is now working for Lampard a brilliant example of this.
14 Posted 04/01/2020 at 07:06:52
15 Posted 04/01/2020 at 10:16:26
Alas that has not been the case, and apart from a six month spell at Forest, where he became a fan favourite, but shortly after became an object of hate, and they couldn't wait to send him back.
The lad appears to have talent, but like you say does not possess the work ethic, and I tend to think he is equally happy just to be a journeyman in the lower echelons of English Football.
16 Posted 04/01/2020 at 10:29:11
He is still young and he can still make himself a necessity player by working harder and being involved for the full game. Wigan is his latest chance tostep it up.
17 Posted 04/01/2020 at 10:38:05
Good point about Paul Cook, Mike G, because he was a bit similar to Dowell, as a player, in the sense that he was much better with the ball, than he ever was without it, so maybe hes the type of person who might be able to get through to Kieran, who otherwise might never realise his true potential.
Robinson had to leave Mike G, hes got great pace but is very raw and only by playing every week is he going to get rid of these flaws. One for the future, a bit similar to Ryan Ledson, who didnt want to sit in the under 23s and wanted to play real competitive football instead, because this is the only thing that will truly bring young players on?
18 Posted 04/01/2020 at 11:07:03
As an aside I don't think our Academy is as brilliant as we think it is, very few make the PL.
19 Posted 04/01/2020 at 11:30:04
If we don't think a young player is good enough then sell them and if they then improve and reach the required level buy them back.
Beni Baningime will be next. Also loaned to Wigan in 2019. Made one appearance. Total waste of time. We had a shed load of midfield players out injured and he still didn't get a game.
What all Premier League clubs need to do is rethink the whole way young players are brought through to the first team. The current method simply offers false hope to far too many youngsters while sloughing them off just when they should be breaking into the first team. Stop taking on skinny kids with some skill but no muscle. To an extent skill can be coached. The PL requires pace, size and strength because these are natural assets you are born with so this is what we should be looking for in youngsters. Most males stop growing at 18 so presumably we should have some idea of how big and strong a youngster will be by then. So unless they are outstanding on the skill front we should be letting them go if they haven't made the grade on the physical side.
20 Posted 04/01/2020 at 11:54:17
Keiran has had numerous chances at various clubs but I think his ship has sailed regards to English football, like Tony (17) says maybe the European leagues are his best hope of making the grade, enough people have told him where he needs to up his game, but hes not listening or simply isnt capable of producing the work ethic to his undoubtful skill.
21 Posted 04/01/2020 at 12:25:59
22 Posted 04/01/2020 at 12:37:35
23 Posted 04/01/2020 at 12:59:42
To this day, I cant recall Ross Barkley making a tackle..never mind breaking into a sweat closing someone down !
24 Posted 04/01/2020 at 13:25:07
25 Posted 04/01/2020 at 14:31:47
It teaches them to play proper competitive football for whatever league their loan club is in and that is only if they get enough games. It doesn't tech them how to play in the premier league.
The only way to learn how to play PL football is to play in the PL. If you want a squad of scrappers and journeymen then loan out your youngsters. If you want PL players either play them yourself or loan them to other PL clubs or at least recently relegated from the PL clubs. Also put a clause in that the loaned player will not just be there to make up squad numbers but will start a decent number of games. If the club won't agree to that clause don't loan them the player. No player ever improved by warming the bench.
26 Posted 04/01/2020 at 14:46:57
Chelsea had 3 players on loan at championship clubs last season Frank, and now all three of them are doing well in the top league.
Its all about the individual imo, look at Ledson, he chose to get away from Everton, and become a man, and I wouldnt bet against him finding a way back into the EPL.
Dowell has been at good clubs, Forest, Sheffield Utd, Derby and now Wigan. I hope he comes good but all the talent in the world is not enough in England, players have to learn to graft and scrap. Its the golden rule unfortunately, and possibly why England always fall short at international level.
27 Posted 04/01/2020 at 15:53:53
28 Posted 04/01/2020 at 18:18:01
29 Posted 04/01/2020 at 18:54:31
A full effort from Dowell would have easily recovered that ball. Instead his laziness almost cost Wigan another goal.
30 Posted 04/01/2020 at 20:08:28
31 Posted 04/01/2020 at 22:14:32
He's 23 later this year and what we're seeing is all we'll ever get; an occasional display of that nice left foot of his. Luke Garbutt II, without the long contract.
Contract has 1 more year after this at under a million. Tell his agent to find a club and do a deal. He's never going to be a top league player. Not in England.
32 Posted 05/01/2020 at 08:07:43
But like others have said, I'm not sure Pirlo would have been successful in British football and maybe learning on the continent would suit him.
Loans are all about getting decent competitive game time. If Dowells not playing then it's best to loan him elsewhere. He's at an age now where he needs regular football to learn and be judged. Another year or two and his development and learning will be about done.
24 is roughly the age midfielders and forwards football education slows, Beckham, Pirlo and Scholes had their breakthrough around that age. Wigan could be the making of him.
33 Posted 05/01/2020 at 10:24:14
Interesting point Richard. Where you one of the ones who booed him whilst he wore an Everton shirt?
@ 32 Justin
Justin, come on. This cannot under any circumstance be a serious point that youre attempting to make?
34 Posted 05/01/2020 at 00:01:31
He's not strong or fast but he gets around the pitch and can certainly pass better than Davies or Schnides.
Lundstrom was a young player who had a good range of passing and a decent shot from distance on him. I'm not saying he's top class but like Gosling he's a good squad player.
I think Dowell is good enough for the Premier league as a squad payer and with the right team and manager has the talent to develop further and the height to bulk up and add strength to his frame.
I don't want him sold for half a million only to see him develop into a £10M player in a few years.
35 Posted 06/01/2020 at 00:20:17
36 Posted 06/01/2020 at 23:27:40
But yes I try and stay positive hoping Everton will win every game. Young players can improve, good players lose form, lazy poor players may wake up and I believe we will win some silverware..eventually.
If Dowell played regularly for a championship club which he's good enough to do, do you think they would sell him for under £1M?
I believe he's already a £6M plus player but we have a habit of selling good young players for a few £100k if that.
What would Wigan demand for one of our ex players like Robinson, probably a good few million.
Like the the whole of Evertons commercial department, (like we have one?) we never seem too see the value in our own assets. If we are now run as a business, the administrator's are banging down the door because we are currently failing at that too.
But I believe many positive things will happen in the not to distant future. Then I can live the dream.
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