Tosun joins Palace until the summer

Walsh would be dismissed only months later as was Allardyce so why were these two sanctioned when they weren't compatible with what we had or how the coach we had earmarked as the next one - Silva - wanted to play? (Maybe Walcott but Tosun just isn't quick enough).

No, it's not my money but buying even more when the squad had become a bloated mess simply made the legacy issues even worse.

I wish Tosun well yet to not be in double figures for goals scored after 2 years tells you all you need to know.

(on a similar note, how many remember that Besic is actually on loan at Sheffield United right now?)

Re Besic, not even many Blades supporters know he's there. He's barely been off the bench for them this season.

Matches are won, and teams are run, from the midfield. Forwards will have a thankless task if all they ever see is the occasional cross while in the middle of eight opposition defenders after a five minute buildup from the back, defenders will be in trouble of the opposition can outnumber them in their own last third.

Everton's midfield has been a scandal for the past 3 seasons, with two players, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson causing more problems for their own side than the opposition, Walcott and Iwobi have been largely useless. Gueye, Davies and Holgate occasionally managed to have some influence, but when you are effectively playing a 4-1-1 formation, or at best a 4-2-1 then you are going to be in permanent trouble.

Huge sums on absolute dross.

"Deadwood" sounds harsh, but was more a reflection of the general consensus on TW that his time here is up.

I hope he gets a few for Palace!

Not what I want but both are better than Tosun and different to what we have. However neither are in form and both have an-anti Everton back story that some fans will not be favourable too.

One start and about 220 minutes for the entire season. I keep hoping he'll finally impress them enough to buy him.

Lots of folks here rated him highly. I never thought he was worth a fart in the wind.

You have no idea what the terms of this loan are, what other offers were on the table, nor what Cenk Tosun was open to.

Good to see a lack of knowledge hasn’t held you back from forming an opinion.

I know it’s early in the window we need a new striker even if Cenk had stayed. I know he wasn’t sold so we still have issue about trying to sell him in 6 months time. I know we now only have Niasse, DCL and Richarlison who can play up front now for 6 months. I know relegation still a real possibility. I know fans are fed up, concerned and scared. I know we have no guarantee we can sign any forward during this window.

I don’t know if we will stay up. I don’t know if we are going to sign anybody up front.

My opinion is if DCL gets injured and we don’t sign another forward is that we are fucked. I think we needed at least one more centre forward even before we let Tosun go. I think it’s a risk and consider we should have waited at least til end of window until we got people in or could see if DCL was still fit.

I totally agree with John (22) assertion that seems stupid to let Tosun go on loan now, as end of January approaches, teams get more desperate and we may have had a chance of offloading him and why didn’t we at least wait until end of window before improving a team above us.

I don’t know terms of loan deal but still believe it is yet another stupid decision by our club. Oh by the way, I also think Tosun is average, reports of us valuing him at £20m absurd and my opinion is formed because of the dross and average players I see in our team every week and terrible mess the powers that be have put our football club in.

The general consensus is that Tosun isn’t a bad finisher. He’s scored 10 goals in 47 games (Slightly better than 1 in 5) and should be in the prime of his career..

Yet Calvert-Lewin is regularly called out for being woeful at finishing, despite scoring 27 in 115 (slightly better than 1 in 4) while learning on the job and often being played out wide.

Off topic did anyone notice how many EFC old and present where on show in last nights Sheff Utd & West Ham game ?

Besic (looked good but still a dirty bastard mind) some would endorse that, Lunstram, looked decent, Rodwell, now with the Blades, Moyes, actually felt sorry for him when VAR ruled against. Just an observation really. Was there anymore ?

What about Kean.

Tosun is crap and a waste of a subs space. The end.

Turkish striker, champions League experience. Good first touch, can hit the ball with both feet. Likes to link up play.

Unfortunately for us and him we don't or didn't play 2 up top or have any midfielders run off the strikers shoulder.

You could put Harry Kane or Aguaro up front for us and ruin them. So now we Niasse as back up to DCL and Richarleson. Let hope we don't pick up any injuries as it won't be much fun playing without a midfield or a forward line.

Darren - don’t know what get paid means.

You were with a bunch of lazy frauds at Goodison.

Good luck Cenk. Always gave 100%.

What a load of cobblers.

Like most on here I wish him all the best and hope he has a good spell there, meaning we can sell him on and recoup some of the astronomical fee we paid.

Also agree that he is a decent striker, not for us though, I believe playing off a number nine he may just score a few goals.

Hope also that we get someone in ourselves, even if it's a loan with a view to buy, we can't rely just on Richie and the occasional DCL goal, and nobody else looks like stepping up to the plate.

Scored 9 goals - so one every 259 minutes - - - 1 goal every 3 games.

For those who have scored at least 10 goals in the League over the last 35 years -
Graham Sharp - one every 257 minutes
Duncan Ferguson - one every 265 minutes
Kevin Campbell - one every 244 minutes
Paul Rideout - one every 265 minutes
Wayne Rooney - one every 250 minutes.

Yup, he is a lousy striker with a poor goal scoring record and perhaps one of the worst we have ever signed.

Oumar Niasse 1184 minutes 8 goals, so he is now better than Rooney, Sharp, Campbell etc? Oh no because he didn't score 10?

Stick stats in the bin and use your eyes, just like every manager has by not playing this fella, he's bobbins. Good bye and good luck Cenk, thanks for vacating a place on the bench where we can now put a real footballer.

Somehow Oumar was a top scorer in Russia.

The transfer window is still open for about 2.5 weeks, we may sign someone, even on loan. Never know.

Either way, Tosun was gash for us and is certainly not worth anywhere near the £27m we paid for him. It's better he leaves imo, even if only for 6 months, and hopefully gets some game time for Palace. Better chance of selling him as he certainly wouldn't be getting much game time with us.

With or without Tosun, we still need to sign a striker. Get him playing elsewhere and save some wages.

Partly this is down to the managers and playing style not suiting each other. I think Schnides (who I can't stand) has also suffered because of this.

He's an old fashioned striker that wants to be played in, not a modern forward who will press and close defenders down all game.

Secondly I'd like a stat on how many good chances players have vs missed target, saved, scored. I believe Tosun would score more but even so there are so many other factors to consider.

Likewise Siggy is having a stinker of a season in terms of assists and goals. But he's probably the only player we have that can score from outside the box.

He needs to play like Lampard, making late forward runs into space and being given the opportunity to shoot.

Our general team play is rubbish. No one knowing who will get forward to support. Likewise our crossing and final balls are poor.

Hopefully Ancelotti will have been working on tactics, positioning, movement day in, day out.

Hand Vanaken is another who I recommended a good while back and would’ve been an excellent addition at just a few million.

Another player I recommended very highly and we should have bust a gut for in the summer was Reece James. That opportunity is now gone but I believe his transfer would’ve been achievable, certainly for the money we paid for Gbamin. James will eventually be a central midfield player, and an extremely good one.

The fact you had to go back 18 months and Marco Silva's very first game in charge of Everton to offer an example in 'defence' of Tosun in comparison to DCL might be a bit of a clue that maybe, just maybe, we are wiser to retain Dominic rather than the very charming and likeable Cenk.

I'd suggest you also take a closer look from this season alone at our current number 9 to see many, MANY examples of intelligent forward play and finishing.

Both of them would be a safe punt I think. They are showing all the signs for me of being able to make an impact at a higher level. It’s perhaps 12 months too late for Vanaken though.

I take your point Robert but when we were skint, but our signings were much more considered and as a result we seemed to have more hits than misses.

I’d rather the risk that kind of risk

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That's an amazing achievement by Brands (presumably) if true. Sorry but the lad has never impressed me. The wages and fee are simply ridiculous.