Doubts cast over Barcelona offer for Richarlison

On another note and I am sure some posters with knowledge with ffp, could we not do a Barcelona, sell him for £50 Million, with a buy back clause for the same amount, bring Soares in for £30 Million, then when Niasse, Martina, Tosun and hopefully a few others off our wage bill, we could buy him back next year.

Been rejected but a bit like Gueye, they will come back, in the summer if they fail now. Will cure our issue with Uefa's financial constraints system !!

Also, cant Gomes, Digne and Mina tell him how dreams can become a nightmare and he’s best staying put?

I'd like to see us keep him one more season, because his value will only skyrocket, but under the current circumstances a stronger bid in the summer might be too much for Brands to resist.

Rich isn't Deulofeu. He'd make it there.

He won’t be sold now I’m almost certain. Next summer... if he finishes the year off with a few goals and good attitude then probably, l can see him going. He’d double his wages, be playing CL. Of course he’d miss the rain and the pies but he will go if they are still in for him.

If you want to progress you keep your best players. I don’t know if he is our best by a country mile... he could be, and that would be shame if we don’t have him in his prime.

The redshite have proven that you can sell your best players and come back even stronger. However, we are Everton and that needs no further comment...

£85m would buy us three quality players Bollocks! Average players are £40m

If so, it’s probably £85m worth of players from the Barça bargain bin, ie the likes of Rakitic.

If it is players, I’d insist on Dembele in part exchange (he wants out).

The thing is, for Barça, where would this leave Ansu Fati? He looks sensational. Surely Barcelona need a number 9, not a left forward?

If we was struggling for cash and had some decent players lined up then I would say £85m is a good price for someone we paid half that for 2years ago.

Like I said pointless cashing in on him unless someone or similar quality is coming in. I'd take £100m if we can get zaha in for around £60m but Zaha hasn't been the same player this year I don't think and maybe that ship has sailed.

Can we not stick Niasse in a Richarlison shirt and send him over instead?

Yes, Fati is brilliant, but he's 17 and skinnier than a bird feeder. No way he can stand up to the pounding of a full-time schedule. And he, Greizmann and Messi are currently Barca's only healthy forwards. They're desperate.

If they don't land Richi, they are likely to move on and sign someone else, and so not come back in the summer.

Make no mistake the plan is to sell him

Follows on from

Rooney
Arteta
Barkley
Lescott
Stones
Gueye
Lukaku

So sad. Would Liverpool fans be made up if Mane or Salah were targeted? Or Utd fans with Rashford? Or Spurs with Kane? No.

No way should be sell. He's our best player, still young and only going to get better. After the World Cup in Qatar this guy Will be one of the top forward players in the world, playing for one of the favourites. And some of our fans are quite happy to sell. Unbelievable.

We've got to trust Ancelloti to get the very best price for him and spend the money wisely. The saving grace in all this is, we've got the upper hand.

Great for the lad if it’s true, but the grass ain’t always greener, look at Coutinho..maybe it will drive him to play even better. Let’s hope so starting this Saturday, and his first hat Rick for EFC.

If EFC, does have genuine intentions, to develop a top team, then keep Charlie, try and get Allan.

I doubt we’ll get any one now whose a proven talent, but in Carlo we trust.

Hopefully we may be able to offload some of the deadwood, with a bit of luck.

The learning from pot shotting transfer buys under the Clogg, has a negative long term impact to EFC.

Lessons learnt surely, by the EFC, board?

I’d take 60m plus Messi.

Perhaps Barcelona will go for Barnes

He is a perfect compliment for DCL too, they have both improved for it. If we want top 4 this partnership needs to fully blossom at ages 23-26. We can get Champions League football and trophies if these two continue to flourish at Everton along with Moise Kean , Mason Holgate , JJK , and Tom ( if he literally ‘pulls his socks up ‘) . I think Tony Gordon will step up too as a permanent me of the above club.

It’s a perfect storm for us of potential being realised right before our eyes. I want to see the blossoms on the trees and not a fallow field.

At board room level these partnerships should be locked in policy wise. They are key to the immediate and medium term future of the club.

He's just signed a new contract and the Club ave no need or desire to sell.

Good because he's quality and by far our best player.

It would be an interesting topic for a thesis for someone to track these stories and see what percentage actually occur.

I am sure some patterns could be found linking certain agents, clubs, journalists, newspapers etc.

We already know some of the factors in play: players going on international duty used to provide the Fergusons of this world with an opportunity to get some of his players to tell other players how much he admired them, and then report back on any reaction.

I recall how many of us had mixed feelings the moment Wayne Rooney went off to join England and their players. We were all absolutely sure no-one ever discussed his future away from Everton during these jaunts

However, at his age and with the length of his contract we can play hardball for another season or even two. Keep him as long as possible!

The spark and sounds of axes being ground married to parochial self-interest.

If we are serious about getting back into the big time we must find a way to keep him.

If we sell Richarlison though we may as well just all pack up and go home.

It’s bad enough we haven’t added to an embarrassingly poor squad in this window, but to sell our best player into the bargain as well would be the final straw for me.

There aint many stand out players that are available to us.

A playee like Richarlison costing 100m shows how difficult it is to bring in the right players as he is nowhere near a complete player.

Now if there is genuine interest from Barca and Richarlison wanted to go, and we all know the pull Barcelona have for Brazilians. Provided Ancelotti was happy to let him go in the summer then seeing as Barcelona paid £145 million for Courtinho then for a young gifted striker like Richarlison we have to be talking in excess of that figure.

If we do allow Richi to for £85m, it may not be this window as many other have pointed out. Probably preemptive for the summer window. HOwever, I'd humbly suggest we hold out for £100m plus!

Also, this may give legs to the Everton Soares (LS attacker) story. Sell Richi for £85m,working on the lower figure, buy Soares for £25m, and keep £60m in the bank to offset the £30m credit we are going to lose in the P&S count for Y3 where we had a £30m credit, rather than debits and losses.

Still leaves us with £30m to spend, and when the players who leave in the summer go, their wages gives us enough wriggle room, to bring in one or two more quality players. Plus, hopefully, we'll have Gomes and Gbamin back to, oh and Beni.

Slowly build the foundations now, for the future.

I wouldn't mind swapping Richi for Soares, and bank some cash for the future.

How do you convince your best players to stay at a club like us would be very difficult to say the least.
I believe Real Madrid, PSG or Man City will be ahead of Barcelona when the time comes, hopefully not for a season or two.

Christy #74, because he wanted to realize his CL dream and had been promised he could -- and he earned it with superior play. He kept up his end, and so did the club.

Looking like a quiet window. Think there’s been a few decent deals to be done; Palacios and Bergwijn are two players who could have helped us a fair bit but guess Brands is keeping his powder dry till the summer.

We are serial offenders for selling and no replacement.

Would you bet your house against it? - No, of course not.

United find a decent DoF and Coach, I could see DCL going too.

As to Club policy, I wonder what Ancelotti was told?...we all know how it goes, sing along, all together now...'Money can't buy you Stones'

At the time of announcement of the new contract, like most Twebbers, I started to question the 'why' of this early renewal. Maybe, just maybe, this was all a part of setting up Everton's negotiation strength? Perhaps there had been some interest received from the likes of Barca?
(Conspiracy theory one!)

Charley has also just signed a new 5 year deal which may have an agreed future transfer fee - it would definitely be more than £100 million given his age and the number of internationals he has already played.

If Barca are skint and shopping on the pound store, let’s offer Schneiderlin. They can have him for a pint of lager and a packet of crisps.

I honestly believe there’s a bright future with these kids. And I believe we’re not a selling Club any longer.

If we sell him, we hit the reset button. The reset button was left behind when we hired Carlo, and with Moshri pairing with Usmanov. I truly believe this type of selling is a thing of the past, unless Brands thinks it makes strategic sense to actually improve the squad.

And that’s how the DOF makes the big bucks! We’ll see.

The offering of Richarlison a new contract was in no way 'and early contract renewal', but yes, maintaining the value of our best player.

With players like him, you don't wait until they have 2 years left on their contract to renew, you're just asking for trouble if you do.

The whole history of the club for the last sixty years is about selling the best players

As for all of these players that were sold wanting to be sold anyway, well they would say that, wouldn’t they !

If its true, which I very much doubt a call to Neymar and Coutinho should be enough to put him off.

Your second paragraph speaks volumes.

Many more have also failed and found themselves on the bench or out of favour.

Stay put lad, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the fence.

Desperately trying to find the positives, and I guess the only one is that Kean might prove to be an even better player in time.

Sheffield United will be getting a very decent player in Sander Berge and other talented central midfielders who have moved include Palacios to Leverkusen and Guimaraes to Lyon; neither expensive.

I'd have thought we'd definitely be getting a central midfielder but perhaps the decent results and Gomes seemingly recovering quickly has put paid to that.

Agree Mike @88, I didn't expect that much money for Bergwijn, and seems too much.
PSV are a mess at the moment, as opposed to Marcel Brand's other team, AZ, who have found themselves after stumbling, and still only 3 points behind Ajax.

He's probably our only top class, almost world class player. Therfore our biggest asset and we need to maximise him for the good of the team or his price for the recruitment spree.

1 player doesn't make a team but an unhappy player can ruin it.

If it ever happens I can't blame players. Maximum money and chances of silver ware at one of the worlds biggest and best clubs.

If we do indeed sell, and I don't believe we will, but if it made strategic sense to?

I'd argue the "strike price" is 120 million, and let Brands find 3 young gems for 30 to 40 million to backfill.

Again, if it makes us a better team, we should do it. But I simply am not aware of any three players in world football that are available, in a winter window, at the positions we need presently, that would make us better. So even the strategic sell to improve model is flawed, for me.

We're not selling Richarlison. I've seen more than a few posts over the years from people claiming SSN will pump out absolute lies to increase betting on SkyBet. This smacks of that for me.

If we continue what we've done so often, selling our best players approaching or in their prime, then we'll stay where we've been for three decades, midtable. If we really want to progress and win trophies, that kind of thing must stop.

There aren't a lot of potential world class strikers who would come to us for less than 85 Million (if at all).

Getting a goalscorer is our biggest problem over the years. Richarlson is the closest thing we've had to Lukaku's replacement. We finally have a potential 20 goal a season striker whose 22 years, settled and coming into his own. If we have ambition, why the fuck would you sell?

If true then Barca know that he has the potential to become a big thing. He is a genuine goal threat. If we sign Everton then their link up play will be amazing.

Big Fat No. Sell the deadwood... Richarlson stays!

Now, in that instance we can't make a statement signing as a real signal of intent for the footballing world. Perhaps (again, this is purely a figment of my imagination), we could invent a high value bid for our best player from one of the world's biggest clubs and leak it to our friends at Sky. Our statement of intent is then - 'look at us, we are aiming to be one of the big boys and won't be selling to any club for any money'.

This takes the focus away from the fact we can't buy until the summer, but continues the pretence that we are playing with the big boys.

I don't actually believe this, but do enjoy a little conspiracy theory once in a while;-)

We need 3 points on Saturday, lads. Shit idea not getting in Everton Soares and 2 midfielders and a striker... but there ya go, same old Everton.