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Juventus knock back Everton bid for Kean

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Updated Everton have had an offer for striker Moise Kean rejected by Juventus according to an Italian journalist.

Nicolo Schira of Gazetta dello Sport claims that the Blues' bid of €30m (~£27m) for the 19-year-old starlet was recently knocked back.

Ajax are also said to be seriously interested in Kean who rose to prominence this past season with six goals in Serie A.

The Mail in the UK have since weighed in suggesting that Everton will need to up their bid to £31m and agree to a buy-back clause whereby Juve could repurchase Kean for £40m if his time at Goodison Park is a success.



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Jim Bennings
1 Posted 09/07/2019 at 07:28:35
This seems to have been doing the rounds for quite a while this rumour.

He’s apparently a good player but I can’t say I’ve seen much of him, has anyone seen him play often?

What are his strengths ect?

Joe McMahon
2 Posted 09/07/2019 at 08:08:38
He will probably want CL football Jim anyway.
Len Hawkins
3 Posted 09/07/2019 at 08:09:29
He is younger than DCL He doesn't base his game on DCL He hasn't scored the winning goal in a World Cup unlike DCL He is two footed hence his ability to walk/run/stand/jump But the main thing for you Jim he is not DCL
Jim Bennings
4 Posted 09/07/2019 at 08:16:41
Len

So he’s scored more than six league goals in 18 months then?

Lol

Martin Berry
5 Posted 09/07/2019 at 08:30:18
One for the future and seems an obvious Marcel capture.
Si Pulford
6 Posted 09/07/2019 at 08:33:51
He’s scored six league goals in his career I think?
Jim Bennings
7 Posted 09/07/2019 at 08:46:15
It’s a hell of a lot to pay for another “potential” player.

As Joe said though, I very much doubt he’ll go anywhere but the Champions League.

Tony Everan
8 Posted 09/07/2019 at 09:06:08
He is young and experienced with bags of potential, but I can't see him being thrown in at the deep end of Premier League football week after week at 19. It's a tough ask, and a risk for us, because he wont want to come from Juve and be benched. I am struggling to believe this one.
Ari Sigurgeirsson
9 Posted 09/07/2019 at 09:09:22
Mostly negative comments... well done.

I think he is interesting player and would welcome him to the club. I think he is a goalscorer and could do well for us. And also he would play well with DCL. Since he is going to play with DCL in the SAME team not AGAINST, I'm happy.

Gary Carter
10 Posted 09/07/2019 at 09:33:04
Forget him, too young and unproven. Let's go for Rebic.
Sam Hoare
11 Posted 09/07/2019 at 09:34:44
Si Pulford@6 I think he has 11 goals at senior level. About one every 160 minutes which isn't too shabby.

He looks to be a natural goalscorer but £30m seems a huge amount to pay for someone so untested. Guess that's the going rate for a buzzy 'wonderkid'. He's out of contract next year so I wonder if there is any truth at all in this one or whether it's just his agent Raiola putting pressure on Juve to improve his contract.

I think for a kid with potential like that we could be more attractive than some of the CL teams because he will likely get far more minutes on the pitch. I guess for him the idea would be to come to Everton and play and develop for 3-4 years before we sell him for twice or three times the money to a top team aged 23. Such a pathway probably works well for everyone involved.

Si Smith
12 Posted 09/07/2019 at 09:38:06
What I've seen and through what I've heard if we pull this off it's a coup and a half.

Has the potential to become a world beater, and hopefully he realises that just like Lukaku, if he wants champions league football, he first just needs top level league football, and at the blues he will get it.

£30m (ish) for him is a great deal, we will get goals, excitement and a huge profit in a few years time.

Great deal and well done to the blues for looking outside of the box.

James Stewart
13 Posted 09/07/2019 at 11:10:50
The lad is absolute class and it would be a major coup if we managed to get him. Similar level to lukaku when we bought him. Immense potential and nothing at all like dcl.
Fran Mitchell
14 Posted 09/07/2019 at 11:47:23
From what little i've seen the lad is absolute class, the best teenage striker in world football by all accounts (yet maybe that now goes to the lad who Atletico paid an absurd fee for). He burst onto the scene this year with Juventus. He has it all, pace, strength, finishing, agression.

He ha been on the receiving end of disgusting racist abuse, and Juve failed to support him in this (Juve captain Chiellini even came out and criticized Kean for 'encouraging' the abuse). This abuse seems to be the reason he is keen to move out of Italy.

If there is a chance for us to sign him, it would be a real coup, and the type of signing that could put us on the map. Everton would be an ideal club for him. I really hope this happens.

This lad + Malcolm + Zouma and i'd say we have serious chances of challenging the top-4 in the next year or 2.

Tom Bowers
15 Posted 09/07/2019 at 11:47:25
Any class player, young or otherwise would be welcome considering the dross that has passed through the Goodison gates in recent seasons or even longer.
Everton's managers and scouting staff have been less than competent in recognizing what would be a good fit in the Goodison set up.
However, it's not so much the individuals but the coming together as a tight competent unit that is hard to beat.
We have seen Everton teams over the years that are far too amenable in conceding the midfield areas and I for one find it hard to watch when the opposition have possession no matter what that opposition may be.
You need strength and skill in all areas to be a great team not just up front.
Tony Abrahams
16 Posted 09/07/2019 at 11:49:35
Think about it sam@10, because if Everton are offering £30 million, then his agent wouldn’t be wanting a new contract off Juventus, with him only having twelve months left on his contract?
Sam Hoare
17 Posted 09/07/2019 at 11:51:35
James@12, Lukaku had played well over 100 games at senior level and had scored 50 goals including 17 in the PL. And that’s before we loaned him let alone bought him. Kean has about a quarter of those numbers. He may have huge potential but he’s not yet at the same level Lukaku was. He’d be much more of a risk. Not that I’m against it at all but it’s not as safe a bet as Lukaku was.
Francis van Lierop
18 Posted 09/07/2019 at 12:13:19
The fact we made a bid, does this mean the loan option is off the table, or not?
Does this also mean Juve are willing to sell, but not at this price?
One thing is certain, Juve know we're interested.
Hopefully at the head of the queue.
Michael Lynch
19 Posted 09/07/2019 at 12:26:30
I'm more than happy for Moshi to pay £30m of his money for Kean. And Moise would be well advised to come here - where else would he be competing for a place against the likes of Niasse and Tosun?

Agree, he's not at the Lukaku level yet, but he'd be an exciting signing that's for sure.
Iain Johnston
20 Posted 09/07/2019 at 13:22:04
Right so these lazy journo's think we have what it takes to lure one of the most promising youngsters in Italian football from a club which has won the title 8 years in a row?

He's scoring & winning medals at Juve, playing in the Champions League and is now scoring for the Italian 1st team.

Sane is unhappy so why don't we just sign him and then Dembele from Dortmund, I mean they're just as realistic?

Francis van Lierop
21 Posted 09/07/2019 at 13:28:54
Iain @19
You might have missed the previous thread about the player. He's been racially abused by some Italian fans, particurely at Cagliari on Sardinia.
It was agreed then, that it might be beneficial to the player to let him mature in a more sheltered environment.
Juve does recognise this, and the fact this is the second thread on the player reflects it too.
Let's hope Marcel Brands can do wonders.
Alan J Thompson
22 Posted 09/07/2019 at 13:40:04
I suppose this means we won't be seeing Onyekuru this season.
Sam Hoare
23 Posted 09/07/2019 at 13:47:22
Iain@19, Kean has started a grand total of 5 games for Juventus in his whole career. And played in 3 games for Italy.

To compare him to such established talents as Sane and Dembele is a bit silly. He's a talent for sure but he's far from established and will likely be behind Ronaldo, Mandzukic and Dybala next season. Icardi too if they get him.

I'm far from convinced that we will get him but it's not unlikely he will need a move somewhere to get more game time. If Juve need to balance the books then perhaps they could be tempted to sell a young talent who is still raw and only their 4th choice striker. Maybe. Maybe not. Worth a shot.

Chris Clark
24 Posted 09/07/2019 at 13:49:35
Oh dear, I see that we are looking at Delph for £16m.

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/everton-chase-in-demand-manchester-city-man

Fran Mitchell
25 Posted 09/07/2019 at 14:07:32
Kean burst onto the scene much like Rashford did for United. Kean played 17 times last season, mainly as a sub, and got 7 goals. Rashford in his breakthrough season got 8 in 18. He is just 19, can play centrally and out wide.

When you consider Tyrone Mings cost Villa 26.5 million. When you see that Newcastle teenager being quoted at 50 million. Solonke 20 million. On our books Tosun at 27 million and Walcott at 20 million.

30-40 million for Kean seems great business. All he needs to do is reach double figures next season and he'd probably fetch 50+ million, so it is an investment that will at a minimum result in a profit, and if he does reach his potential, could see us with a World Class centre-forward.

If we are to get in the top-4, it is signingthese types of player, taking these types of risks, that will get us there.

Annika Herbert
26 Posted 09/07/2019 at 14:58:29
I think years of mediocrity have reduced our fans to doubting Thomases, with good reason. I am of the opinion this lad would be a great signing if we could pull it off.

No matter who we sign there will be doubters, which is hardly surprising given all the false dawns and poor signings over the last few years. But I would be happy to see this lad in the Royal Blue and feel he could be a major contributor to the cause.

I also thought we would have had more than one major signing by now, I was under the impression it was the intention to get the new players in early? Still plenty of time of course but I would have liked to see more incomings by now. Which would, of course, have given them more time to bed in.

I hope this deal becomes a reality and is followed by a few more of top quality.

Iain Johnston
27 Posted 09/07/2019 at 15:19:50
Sam #22 I disagree mate I think he'll replace Mandzukic in the pecking order this coming season and be their striker option for Dybala plus if they 're looking to balance the books I doubt they'll fork out for a troublemaker like Icardi who Milan couldn't even trade to United as part of a Lukaku deal.
Frank Boyle
28 Posted 09/07/2019 at 15:19:56
Deal not dead yet.

Everton have allegedly offered 35k Euros but Juve are asking for 45k with a buy back option.

Source: Gazzetta dello Sport via Mundo Deportivo

Sam Hoare
29 Posted 09/07/2019 at 15:46:04
Iain, you could well be right. But either way he’s not established there yet.

Sarri does not have a great record of trusting younger players. Depends on what their plans are of course but if he is 3rd/4th choice striker then maybe £30m might appeal for a player yet to make 10 starts for the club.

Brian Williams
30 Posted 09/07/2019 at 17:31:32
😀
Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 09/07/2019 at 17:35:20
So I guess this offer means we are keen to have Keane and Kean, eh?
Duncan McDine
32 Posted 09/07/2019 at 17:50:13
Not so many years ago, people would have laughed hysterically at the idea of Everton being a safe haven for racially abused players. I’m glad that we’ve moved on a long way since the banana throwing etc. Still have a few numpties knocking around, but comparisons of genitalia to vacuum cleaners is about as bad as it gets! I’ve never heard of this fella but sounds exciting. I’d also happily welcome Delph if Gana makes his move to PSG.
Frank Crewe
33 Posted 09/07/2019 at 18:02:10
If they want £45M and we've offered 35M – why not split the difference and offer £40M and throw in Bolasie for free.
Chris Gould
34 Posted 09/07/2019 at 18:07:37
If he doesn't sign a new contract then he will more than likely be sold this summer. Juve won't put themselves in a position where he could leave for nothing in 12 months. Raiola is apparently chummy with Moshiri. Maybe there's something to this. It's a rumour that won't go away. Other rumours have been quickly denied by the club, such as Costa.

I don't think he'll be looking for Champions League at 19. Regular first-team football while getting paid handsomely will be top priority. There's plenty of time for Champions League.

Brian Wilkinson
35 Posted 09/07/2019 at 18:15:44
I have to agree with Jim Bennings in regards to dcl, the lad has come on leaps and bounds, great at holding the ball up, but for me he is not going to get us 20 plus goals a season.

That may change in time, but I would be much happier if we get someone in, who can find the back of the net on a regular basis.

It took Andy Gray to bring the best out of Sharp, that is what Dcl needs to help his improvement.

If we go into the new season with dcl, Tosun as our main strikers then we will struggle for the top 6.

A striker is an absolute must to bring in.

If we can get delph in as well he will be one hell of a signing.

Brian Williams
36 Posted 09/07/2019 at 18:29:17
Frank. They'd probably say "Okay, we'll settle for £38M if you DON'T include Bolasie!" 😂
Christy Ring
37 Posted 09/07/2019 at 18:31:55
He's young with huge potential, are Juventus trying to tie him down with a new contract? He could be a great buy, but a big ask to do it in the Premier League.
Martin Berry
38 Posted 09/07/2019 at 20:37:07
If this lad is as good as being speculated then why on earth would Juventus want to sell him anyway.
Fran Mitchell
39 Posted 09/07/2019 at 20:53:22
Martin, you could say such about basically any player. But as has been mentioned before;

1 - he has suffered great racist abuse in his short career, and is apparently keen to escape it.

2 - he has 1 year on his contract, Juve risk losing him for free should they make him stay.

3 - Juve's aspiratons are to win the Champions League. For that they are unlikely to entrust a raw 19 year old. So they want Icardi, or some other proven, in their prime, goal-scorer.

David Pearl
40 Posted 09/07/2019 at 21:25:13
Yeah they seem to want to cash in. Makes sense if he does have a year left to sell with a buy back option. Clever actually. Brands has a lot of work to do over the next few weeks
Frank Boyle
41 Posted 09/07/2019 at 21:40:00
K's and mils malfunction there, folks. You know what I mean tho' 😀.
Andrew Keatley
42 Posted 09/07/2019 at 21:42:22
These buy-back clauses are nonsense. So Juve allegedly want us to stump up £31 million on a relatively unproven 19 year old wunderkind, and if he’s a success - and he proves himself - they can just buy him back for just £40 million!?!

Players need to be free to move from club to club and not have their progress checked by the implementation of a buy-back clause. It is essentially a form of hedge-betting, and is only ever going to favour the big clubs to make sure they don’t miss out on profit-share on a departed player. I hate it. If a club does not want a player then they should sell them - if they are not sure about a player then send them out on loan - or play them occasionally and see how develop. Transferring them, letting them hit their stride elsewhere, and then swooping back in to reap the financial rewards by buying a player at a fixed rate that could be way below their market value is almost a form of fraud.

Denis Richardson
43 Posted 09/07/2019 at 21:45:37
Don’t know much about him but am excited just reading some of the posts above. However, if he’s that good I can’t see us getting him. Also a buy back clause of £40m after we pay £31m and develop him??

Hope it materialises but not holding my breath. Then again who knows...at least the rumours’ exciting unlike many in the past.

Gordon Crawford
44 Posted 09/07/2019 at 21:46:27
Andrew I totally agree. It’s basicaly having your cake and eating it. :(
Tony Abrahams
45 Posted 09/07/2019 at 21:46:39
I doubt Everton, or the player would go for this move, considering Kean, will be a free agent next year
Andrew Ellams
46 Posted 09/07/2019 at 21:49:49
The buy back clause would only work if the boy wanted to go back and after some of the crap he's experienced including comments from his own captain that's never going to be a guarantee.
Andy Crooks
47 Posted 09/07/2019 at 22:00:13
Denis, @ 43,I suspect you didn't mean to, but, you have, in one sentence, described our club.
" if he's that good, I can't see us getting him"
Spot on. Sadly, Denis, you have nailed it.
Sam Hoare
48 Posted 09/07/2019 at 22:00:23
Andrew@42 very much agree! It massively favours the big clubs (again) as they can stockpile the good young talents and then sell them on for profit and then even more profit when they do well and can be bought back for a below-market-value clause! It’s ludicrously unfair! Not sure how easy it is to stop though.
Si Cooper
49 Posted 10/07/2019 at 00:42:10
I don't get the ‘he won't want to come to us' posts. Unless the lad is completely up himself, he will seriously consider any option that could improve his situation.

He could easily view us as a useful stepping stone if nothing else. If the club do want him, it is up to Brands to sell the idea that Everton can help his development and provide a platform for his talents, and then up to Silva to develop a team he won't need to leave to match his ultimate ambitions.

With a buy-back option, can the player veto returning to the original club if he wants to?

Paul Bernard
50 Posted 10/07/2019 at 00:57:24
People seem to be getting confused with Chiellini quotes. It was Bonnucci who commented after the game saying Kean shouldn’t react to the racist chanting or something. He was labelled racist when what he was saying was if Kean reacts then they will target him more to get him upset and lose his head.

As for Kean the player, he has 12 months left and is in the mould of Lukaku. Really promising player but I don’t want us to pay more than £30m. Having one year on his deal means we actually have more bargaining power than we realise, luckily I’m sure Brands realises this 100%.

Derek Knox
51 Posted 10/07/2019 at 01:52:17
Paul, @ 50, interestingly Lukaku who is being courted by Inter Milan, have a late rival in Juventus, and although it is looking like Inter may succeed, there is a scenario where if Juventus won his signature. We would receive £5M, which we would either way, and it would make 'our bid' for Kean more feasible as his chances would surely be more limited.
Alan J Thompson
52 Posted 10/07/2019 at 05:37:43
Perhaps we should insist that it is a MUST buy back clause so that we have the option if he doesn't work out. More seriously, I'd prefer these were first option clauses, i.e. If we agree to sell and they meet the price another club offers then they have the right to speak to the player before any other club. However, they are a sellers clause.
Clive Rogers
53 Posted 10/07/2019 at 08:42:20
In reality, this is the type of buy we have to go for as we can’t afford a top striker unless they are the wrong side of 30. We could possibly hit the jackpot with this lad hopefully. Go for it MB.
Tony Everan
54 Posted 10/07/2019 at 11:06:36
Andrew #42 excellent post

It gets right on my nerves too, along with the harvesting of young talent and loaning players out. I can understand it with being reluctant to sell Lookman to Leipzig and watch him come good. But if Leipzig are prepared to take the chance and give him the games, they should benefit from that.

Chelsea have god knows how many players loaned out, the numbers should be should be kerbed. No club, including us, should have any need for more than 10 loan players.

They are the Industrial sized trawlers of scooping up talent because they have unlimited finance to do it.

FIFA need to be much stronger on these issues.

The buy back clause in essence just another derivative of a loan deal.

James Marshall
55 Posted 10/07/2019 at 11:24:35
On the Delph thread he's too old, on here Kean is too young. Hilarious opinions really!

He's exactly the type of player we should be looking at, surely? He's young, high profile, has CL experience, and experience of playing for Juve.

We need to be trying to buy players of his calibre & profile, and stop looking at the Aaron Mooy's & Callum Wilson's of this world.

Francis van Lierop
56 Posted 10/07/2019 at 12:38:58
There may be a spanner thrown into the works. Juve are also keen (sic) on Matthijs de Ligt, who still hasn't made his mind up where he's going to play next season.
Ajax may be tempted by a player + cash deal, with Moise Kean thrown in.

On the plus side, we're interested in the 16-year-old Hossein Zamani. This talented Ajax player, of Afghan origin, wants away, and is reportedly listening to our offers, and from some other clubs...

Simon R Smith
57 Posted 10/07/2019 at 13:10:49
Someone needs to have a look down the back of the sofa for the missing cash to do this deal. I'd rather sign him than Costa as a statement signing!
Francis van Lierop
58 Posted 10/07/2019 at 13:11:30
I forgot to mention, there have been supposedly training ground issues with Kean. I have no idea what this entails, but this is allegedly another reason Juve wants to get rid.
Justin Doone
59 Posted 10/07/2019 at 20:29:17
He's a modern forward. Not a striker but has pace and skill to play the wide front positions.

IMO he's very similar to Lookman but taller. Fast, skilful, young, erratic.

Probably miss a dozen easy chances before scoring a goal out of nothing.

He's got great potential, just like Lookman. I don't see why the coaching team think they can get more out of him than they can Lookman but sometimes a bit of luck is needed. The right time, place and personality etc.

I'd rather develop Lookman but maybe mentally he's already gone.

Denis Richardson
60 Posted 10/07/2019 at 23:59:24
Si 49 - thinks its more a case of if the kid is really that good then some 'bigger' CL clubs will probably also be looking to sign him.

If he's really that good, why would be go to a relatively unknown club (outside of the UK) that hasn't won a trophy in over 2 decades and has never played in the CL?When he could potentially go direct to a CL club on probably the same if not higher wages than we would offer. Even if I were given the choice I'd take the 'higher' option to at least give it a shot - if he (in this case) doesn't make it at a CL club, there will always be clubs like us still available.

Reality is, most players move for money first and foremost then prestige. There are a lot of clubs that can offer just as much (if not more) as us. What we definitely cannot offer is footie at the top table and a cabinet of trophies won this century...

I'm still keeping my fingers crosse though.

Rob Marsh
61 Posted 10/07/2019 at 00:07:33
It's that word "POTENTIAL" again, it both excites and brings angst.

Lookman has what many would say much potential, but I believe if we had paid £30m to £40m (what Juve want?) just based on potential, many of us would now be saying it was too much to pay based on his performance so far?

At the £30m + point I need to see just a little more than potential.

Look at Mo Salah as an example, bought for £35m by the dark side, played for some decent clubs and performed decently at all of them.

The Salah buy by LFC was a win and a place bet in one, If he didn't blossom into what he is now, he would still have been a decent player to have.

Teams like Juve don't sell on immensely talented teanagers, I'm suspicious, what's the reason?

Big buying based on potential alone????????

Jay Harris
62 Posted 11/07/2019 at 03:22:24
Apparently it is being reported that we are looking at Kean and Malcolm on loan for next season and based on Paul Esk post that would make much more sense.
Gavin Johnson
63 Posted 11/07/2019 at 04:31:09
This story seems to have been doing the rounds for a while now. He sounds decent and for me one of the more exciting names we've been linked with. The drawback is this buy back clause. If this story has legs it wouldn't surprise me if Juve want a buy back option. In which case it needs to be like the one Barca inserted in the Jerry Mina deal. We have him for at least 2 seasons and if Juve want him back they have to pay double on whatever we've paid for Kean.
Kevin Dyer
64 Posted 11/07/2019 at 14:53:26
Si #49 yes. The clause is that we'd have no choice but to accept a bid from Juve that triggers the buy-back option but the player bis not obliged to agree terms with them. In fact he can refuse to even negotiate. Given his problems at Juve it would be a major switch for him to actually want to go back. Deulofeu was a different case as we actively wanted rid and he desperately wanted another chance at Barca.
Laurie Hartley
65 Posted 11/07/2019 at 15:42:57
Clive Rogers # 53 has got it right in my opinion - this is the type of player we should be going for.

I really like the look of this young Footballer. I don’t know how good the opposition was in this YouTube video but going by it he looks to have strength, pace, ball control and finishing ability.

Link

He is not greedy either.

He has a similar background to Richarlison - came up the hard way.

I think he would fit right in with our squad - I hope this one more than all the other rumours has got legs.

James Marshall
66 Posted 11/07/2019 at 16:40:16
17 league appearances for Verona & Juve - 18 goals.

That's an awful lot more than potential/Lookman.

Michael Lynch
67 Posted 27/07/2019 at 17:08:44
This one keeps coming up in the papers. Dunno whether he'd be a good purchase or not, but I was interested in one of his stats - tackles made last season: zero. Touch of the Gary Linekers there!
Sam Hoare
68 Posted 29/07/2019 at 10:00:41
This sounds like it may be moving forwards now. And crucially that Juve may be prepared to accept first option rather than a prohibitively low buyback clause.

If true I think we will have our best striker since Lukaku. The kid is raw and probably won't hit the ground running (very few foreign players do) but looks a proper striker who manages to get shots on target much more regularly than the likes of DCL. He won't be able to link play as well as DCL but his goals per minute ratio is very impressive and he creates his own chances. He's strong, quick and crucially has some excellent movement. Think he will prove an excellent striker and is hopefully already better than what we have.

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