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Rams set to win battle for Dowell

| Wednesday, 10 July 2019 31comments  |  Jump to last
Updated Huddersfield Town and Derby County are the latest reported suitors for Kieran Dowell who looks likely to head out on loan again this coming season with the Rams set to sign him.

The England U21 international had been expected to return to Sheffield United in 2019-20 where he spent last season on loan but the Terriers stepped into the mix last week with an apparent approach.

MailSport reported that new Derby boss, Philip Cocu, was looking to hijack Huddersfield's deal by signing Dowell on loan and Sky Sports followed that by reporting that Dowell had travelled to the USA link up with the Rams' squad and undergo a medical.



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Mike Gaynes
1 Posted 10/07/2019 at 18:21:40
I love a good auction!
Justin Doone
2 Posted 10/07/2019 at 18:21:56
Cracking passer of the ball. I think in another season he'll be Gomes replacement when we sell Gomes for £60m.

Loan him out only. Sheff Utd would surely take him for another season.

Bill Gienapp
3 Posted 10/07/2019 at 18:34:10
I'd prefer Sheffield United, just so we can see how he copes at the Premier League level. I feel like this is the make-or-break season for him.
Fran Mitchell
4 Posted 10/07/2019 at 19:12:36
I'd prefer he stays as Gomes' back up, try him out in the deep-lying role, at least until January. Then if he hasn't made an impression, loan for the second half of the season like we did before.

We have Gomes - Gueye - Sigurdsson as our 1st choice midfield.

In back up we have Davies

Deadwood we have McCarthey, Besic, Schneiderlin,

Youngsters who could offer something we have Williams, Dowell, Baningime, Markelo. Ideally, we'll promote at least 2 and sign one.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

5 Posted 10/07/2019 at 19:24:54
The Derby-Philip Cocu connection is an interesting one, given the Brands-Cocu-PSV connection.

Has Brands given Cocu a heads-up about Kieran, either to generate money or because he still sees PL potential - for Everton - in the lad?

Derek Knox
6 Posted 10/07/2019 at 20:02:39
I love Kieran Dowell, well not in a man sort of way, but he has shown more promise than most, but never quite delivered that potential.

Potential, how many times have we heard that over the years? I think this has got to be his final year in that saloon! I seriously hope that Kieran's penny drops and he realises that it is make or break time, the lad has so much talent, but can he produce it consistently over 90 minutes?

Kevin Prytherch
7 Posted 10/07/2019 at 20:14:27
I think that we will potentially miss a trick by loaning Dowell out.

We currently struggle to break down teams who park the bus, Gomes, Sigurdsson and Gueye do not seem to have it in them to unpick a stubborn defence, while our wingers are nullified by teams sitting deep.

In Dowell we have a creative option from deep that we could utilise against these teams. I doubt he’ll be up to the way we play against the top teams or against teams that come at us, but he could be worth his weight in gold against teams who sit back. I reckon for about 10-15 games a season he could be a very important player.

Tony Everan
8 Posted 10/07/2019 at 20:34:05
Loan him to the one who will guarantee game time. His development is dependent upon it.

The lad has a touch of class and needs his 'breakthrough' season. Only by being a regular starter for his loan club will allow that to happen.

Si Smith
9 Posted 10/07/2019 at 21:16:35
Maybe a move to Derby to do it the Dutch way under Cocu may be the best option, moving the prem may be too much for him right now, although we do have Jags there to keep an eye on him !!
Steve Ferns
10 Posted 10/07/2019 at 21:35:01
Yep, I’d jump on the Derby bandwagon. Brands knows Cocu. Cocu will tell Brands straight. Cocu plays decent football. Dowell will have no excuses in what his a make or break year for him. It’s a delicate situation and so you go with what you know. That’s Cocu.
Vijay Nair
11 Posted 10/07/2019 at 23:47:44
With Cocu at Derby we might see a few of our youngsters heading out that way, based on the relationship with Brands. Maybe even first crack at any up and coming star in their ranks.

Justin(2), why do you reckon we'll cash in on Gomes in a season's time?

David Ellis
12 Posted 11/07/2019 at 03:32:47
Do or die for young Mr Dowell. I hope he can step up. Odds are against it.
Gavin Johnson
13 Posted 11/07/2019 at 04:43:27
It would have been great if he was loaned back to Sheffield United and he had some experience playing in the prem. That said, his numbers in terms of goals and key passes weren't amazing so it look like another loan in the championship for Dowell.


when we were linked with James Maddison last summer I can't believe some TW'ers thought Dowell was at the same level.

Gary Carter
14 Posted 11/07/2019 at 08:56:13
In today's crazy market, an England U21 that's scored regularly in the Championship has to be worth £20-25 million so let's sell him!
James Ebden
15 Posted 11/07/2019 at 10:02:12
He's already flown out to meet up with the Derby lads apparently. Deal already done, waiting to be announced.
Kevin Prytherch
16 Posted 11/07/2019 at 10:45:13
Gavin 13 - in all fairness, Dowell and Maddison could have been at a similar level at the start of last season. The big difference being that Maddison has had an attacking unit built around him which has allowed him to develop with minimal risk, and shined as a result of it. Dowell sat on the bench because he was never likely to replace Sigurdsson.

Maddison and Dowell were not too dissimilar in the Championship 2 years ago.

Dave Abrahams
17 Posted 11/07/2019 at 10:46:22
James (14), yes, another loan deal I believe.
Francis van Lierop
18 Posted 11/07/2019 at 10:57:17
Agreed with Jay @5 & Steve @10.

Marcel Brands believes in continuity. When he left AZ Alkmaar to go to PSV, he arranged his successor. Toon Gerbrands had been the national Volleyball coach, what did he know about football, the critics asked.

Toon did a great job at AZ (my local club over here, btw), especially when the owner went bust (DSB - dodgy bank). Toon sorted out the mess pretty well. No debts, and AZ finished 4th again last season, behind the big three (Ajax, PSV & Feyenoord). Toon is also Marcel's successor at PSV now.

I don't know if most people know this, but M&M's offices at Finch Farm are no more than 2 steps away from each other. Across the corridor.

Everton's chief continental scout is Gretar Steinsson, who was a player at AZ, when Marcel was there.

I have no doubt that Kieran will be safe hands. But he does have to deliver.

Sam Hoare
19 Posted 11/07/2019 at 10:58:31
Kevin@15, I often agree with you but I think Maddison was a level up on Dowell in the championship 2 years ago. Maddison had more goals and assists and did alot more work defensively. He was really excellent for Norwich that season and I was one of the ones advocating buying him. He was alot more consistent than Dowell (maybe because he was more settled as first choice in a good team, something Kieran has never had).

Will be interesting to see if he steps it up this season for Leicester who have potentially one of the best midfields in the league now in Maddison, Tielemans and Ndidi who are all in their early 20's. Quite jealous!

Sam Hoare
20 Posted 11/07/2019 at 11:13:13
As for Dowell, I think Derby and Cocu should be an excellent choice for him. It's up to him to be consistent and to make sure he is involved in every game and not just scoring the odd worldie every 10 games or so. I wonder if they'll play him as a No 10 or in a deeper role where he has looked very good at times for the U21 team?
James Flynn
21 Posted 11/07/2019 at 17:01:55
Derby will be his level or some club like Derby; a tier down from the big leagues. Good luck to him.
Jim Bennings
22 Posted 11/07/2019 at 19:33:28
It speaks volumes that Sheffield United have not returned with interest in Dowell since their promotion, clearly they don't think he's at Premier League level yet.

It's disappointing because we really could have done with seeing him on loan there for a season in the top flight to see if he could handle it. Quite what we glean from another year in the Championship, I'm not sure... but hey ho.

Fran Mitchell
23 Posted 11/07/2019 at 19:50:47
Jim, how much would a player like Dowell really benefit from playing for a team likely to be in a relegation battle, where creatively speaking, they will have little of the ball?

I would like to see him stay and be back up to Gomes and Siggy. But if he does go, better to be a club where he will play and in a style that suits him. Cocu, whom Brands probably has the contact and thus a line to ensure he plays in a certain position and such.

Jim Bennings
24 Posted 11/07/2019 at 20:11:37
Fran,

It would show us if he can cope in the Premier League.

Playing in a shit Southampton team never stopped Matt Le Tissier prospering as a footballer did it?

Many a good player has played in relegation outfits over the years, hell look at Wayne Rooney in his first stint for us!!!

We won't learn anything from Dowell spending another year in the Championship that we don't already know.

Paul Avery
25 Posted 11/07/2019 at 20:24:40
I think it might be a better option for Dowell to be playing in a promotion chasing Derby side albeit in the Championship than a relegation-threatened team in the Premier League – especially with the Cocu link.
Jim Bennings
26 Posted 11/07/2019 at 20:29:04
It would have done Dowell (who by his own admission isn't a great worker) good to have to roll up his sleeves in a relegation battle, I'd learn a lot more about his character that way than seeing him showboat against the likes of Brentford and Charlton, Cocu or no Cocu.

But who knows... I doubt he'll really prosper here at Everton anyway but whatever path he takes, good luck to him!

Paul Birmingham
27 Posted 11/07/2019 at 21:40:00
I hope Kieran, believes and kicks on, as it’s now or elsewhere, for his EFC career.

He must surely have learnt some tough lessons about football and life the last couple of seasons.

Now if he believes and wants to he can kick on. Mental strength and guts needed to take him on this next challenge and to succeed.

Fran Mitchell
28 Posted 11/07/2019 at 21:47:47
Jim, bit unfair. Two examples you choose are possibly 2 of the most talented English players to have played in the Premier League.

Nobody is saying Dowell is that good. But he has real natural talent, and by the looks of it is finding his best position.

In his last 2 years, he has been played as an Attacking mid (no10), a left winger, a left wing-back, and now a deep-lying creative mid. I feel he could thrive in this position, where his vision and range can thrive. Think Pirlo, who also spent many years on loan at other clubs before going to AC Milan at 22. At the start, he was an attacking mid/forward, very highly rated, but never quite 'found himself', and Ancelotti transformed him into a deep-lying playmaker. The rest is history, and he was one of the best players of his generation. I don't expect Dowell to be like that, but I feel that his future role would be similar.

So playing for a team that will have little possession in the PL, and likely be shifted from one position to another (like he was last year), will do him no good, and prove nothing. Dowell needs to find his position, and show what he can do there. A possession based manager like Cocu would be more beneficial.

Anthony Murphy
29 Posted 11/07/2019 at 21:48:21
If Cocu does a decent job at Derby, he’ll be our next manager
Jim Bennings
30 Posted 12/07/2019 at 08:12:52
Cocu for me will be another Koeman!

Koeman had two good seasons at Southampton then came to Everton with a massively inflated ego and was only ever trying to use us as a stepping stone to Barcelona.

Francis van Lierop
31 Posted 12/07/2019 at 12:50:25
Philip Cocu's character cannot be compared to Ronald Koeman's. The latter used to be a neighbour of Johan Cruyff at Barcelona, when he played there. That's where the inflated ego probably came from.
I always preferred brother Erwin, much more down to earth. Unfortunately Erwin couldn't 'steer' brother Ronald enough. Cocu is more like Erwin: quiet and unassuming.

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