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Silva monitoring Mandzukic situation

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Everton could move for Mario Mandzukic if Juventus decide the Croatian striker isn't part of their plans this coming season.

The Telegraph report that Marco Silva is an admirer of Mandzukic and would be interested in a deal for the 33-year-old if he is surplus to requirements in Turin and would be interested in a move to the Premier League.

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Chris Jones [NZ]
1 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:53:46
Goes against the grain of how we play, doesn't it? All indications are that we are prioritising fast, flexible attacking play. Can only see this happening if Cenk leaves. Clearly an upgrade there, but at 33 he won't fit with the fast-paced style that we're developing
Steve Ferns
2 Posted 16/07/2019 at 23:56:41
No chance. Too old and wants too much money. No way would this be a Brands signing.
Gordon White
3 Posted 17/07/2019 at 00:42:56
Fake News!
Si Smith
4 Posted 17/07/2019 at 01:14:51
On a free or a loan deal maybe,same as my thoughts on Costa.
Derek Knox
5 Posted 17/07/2019 at 01:43:47
Maybe 10 years ago, I would have been over the moon at his mention, and the money we have wasted during that period could have afforded him too, but I would be very surprised if there is any mileage in this or the Costa link, unless they are talking coffee.

I will file this Under Jackanory.

Kristian Boyce
6 Posted 17/07/2019 at 03:37:19
Weren’t we heavily linked with him years ago either before or after his Bayern stint?

If it was then, yes! But at 33, we would get maybe one decent season out of him.

Kieran Kinsella
7 Posted 17/07/2019 at 04:27:52
Seems weird. If we are after someone like him then snap up Llorente on a free
Ajay Gopal
8 Posted 17/07/2019 at 05:32:21
Could end up like the Samuel Eto’o signing - big name, will score a few goals. Hopefully he will not upset the dressing room with his attitude. I am sure Marcel will run the rule over him - in Marcel and Marco I trust!
Si Cooper
9 Posted 17/07/2019 at 06:54:08
He would need to be capable of Peter Beardsley / Richard Gough / Paul Power like ‘at-his-peak’ longevity to make this a worthwhile proposition.
Jack Convery
10 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:10:29
Sam Hoare
11 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:20:29
I think Mandzukic would be a better move than Eto'o as, unlike the Cameroonian, he is renowned for his work-rate and fitness.

It does seem an un-Brands-like move but perhaps, if there was no or a low fee, then having the experienced and highly intelligent target man for a year or two would be useful for Calvert-Lewin and whoever else we bring in.

Tony Abrahams
12 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:23:04
I think it would be a very good signing, and one that tells me that although football is about building for the future, there is no more important time than the present.
Tony Everan
13 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:49:51
He is (or was) a top-class ruthless striker and at 33 probably has a year or two left, and would definitely not be shy against any of the top six.

However, it is the click-bait silly season and I'm taking this one with more than a pinch of salt.

Hugh Jenkins
14 Posted 17/07/2019 at 10:52:34
Possibly - as a single season stop-gap measure.

For example, this year we secured the future of midfield (Gomes) and central defence (assuming we eventually get Zouma – or an equivalent).

Next year, a main-stream striker and a new right-back.

It is, of course, all speculation on our parts. The only ones who really know what the plan is and how they are going to execute it are M&M.

John Graham
15 Posted 17/07/2019 at 11:46:54
Does this mean we are really not after Moise Kean? He has been a great striker and we could probably still get a year or so out of him. But we still need younger top-class players if we are going to compete with the top six.
Hopefully we will get one or two in before the season starts. I'm not feeling very optimistic though.
Fran Mitchell
16 Posted 17/07/2019 at 11:57:19
I can't see this being true – it doesn't fit the age/wage profile, nor playing style.

I see Arsenal are likely to sign Everton Cebolinha, this should mean them dropping any interest in Malcom, freeing the way for us.

Geoff Trenner
17 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:01:06
I don't have a problem with this sort of signing if we can't find the longer-term striker that we are looking for in this window. I don't want us to splash a huge amount on a striker that we are not sure about (not that you can ever be really sure!)

If Mandzukic scored enough goals this coming season to help us get into Europe then we might be able to attract a better strike next Summer.

I expect the whole thing is bullshit anyway.

Derek Knox
18 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:03:19
Fran, I would be a lot happier if it was us going after Everton Soares, I think he would be a lot better than Malcom, but you never know.
Fran Mitchell
19 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:15:13
I think so too Derek, but I guess Cebolinha is out of our reach, especially after his Copa performances. I'm actually surprised more clubs aren't after him, expected Liverpool, Atletico, Bayern, Man Utd, and Co all to be in for him.

I think the likes of Malcom are the best we can expect, like Gomes and Digne, big talents who have seen their star fall somewhat and needing a rejuvenation. Either that, or young players before they break through.

Paul Le Marinel
20 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:17:27
At 33 I don’t think that would be a good signing and I hope it isn’t true what the Telegraph are saying. I would prefer if we tried to sign Moise Kean instead.
Fran Mitchell
21 Posted 17/07/2019 at 12:25:05
On the subject of Brazilian forwards, one I think we should make a move for is Pedro, from Richarlison's Fluminense. 22 years of age, broke through at the same time as Richarlison.

I think for around £15-20 million he'd be ours.

Malcom - Pedro - Richarlison with Bernard and Calvert-Lewin competing. Someone would just need to get Calvert-Lewin a Brazilian passport.

Denis Richardson
22 Posted 17/07/2019 at 13:10:39
I would be AMAZED if this came off.

He can still do a job at 33 as he's a quality player (only need to look at someone like Ibrahimovic who came to Man U aged 34 and scored about 30 goals in his one season there.

However, I'm not sure he would be interested given he's been playing Champions League football for ages. Other than a decent wage (which he's already getting) and relatively shit weather, what's he going to get at Everton - a 'new experience'?

Certainly would lift the profile of the club and if for minimal transfer/loan fee and just wages for a year or two, why not? His left big toe is better than Calvert-Lewin, Tosun and Niasse combined!

Love the people saying it won't be a good signing - this being a Juve, Atletico Madrid and Bayern starter. Nevermind his international career. What are some people smoking? We have Tosun FFS!

Pat Kelly
23 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:04:05
Are we building a retirement home at Bramley-Moore Dock?
Tony Abrahams
24 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:19:56
It's only a rumour, Pat!
Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:45:02
Denis #22, you don't have to be stoned to see how Mandzukic's production has dropped off since he turned 30. He scored a goal every two games in his 20s (at Bayern & Atletico). Over the last three seasons he's averaged only one goal in four. He scored 10 goals last season for Italy's most dominant club with one of the world's best playmakers setting him up and opposing defenders focused on Cristiano. He just doesn't convert his chances the way he used to (and I watch most of Juve's games).

He's still a hardworking, committed player all over the pitch (love the way he comes back to defend) and he would certainly be a positive addition, but he doesn't create his own chances and we don't have anybody who can feed him like Pjanic does. So he wouldn't bring nearly as many goals as you might be imagining.

Purely hypothetical, of course, since I strongly doubt he would come to a mid-table club that's not in Europe.

Si Cooper
26 Posted 17/07/2019 at 14:48:46
Denis, citing Ibrahimovic is a bit like Leicester’s title win. Shows it’s not impossible but doesn’t make it likely.
Eddie Dunn
27 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:07:12
Kieran @7, spot-on.
Paul Bernard
28 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:09:48
I think Serie A has a few strikers we should be looking at:

Andre Silva - AC Milan. Huge talent who's confidence has dipped. At Milan he was decent in the Europa league but wasn't given a chance in Serie A. Surplus to requirements it seems = cheaper price. Recommended by Cristiano Ronaldo as the next big thing for Portugal not long ago.

Patrick Cutrone - Milan. 21 years young, available for £21m if rumours are to be believed. Really promising player with a good work rate and could be a future star for the Italian national team. Will need to get regular consistent game time.

Gabriel Barbosa - Linked to us in the past as a teenager. Much like Andre Silva, not given time to settle or the game time to build confidence in new surroundings. Has gone back to Brazil were he seems to be getting some of that sharpness back. Like Silva and Cutrone he could be in the mould of Arteta or Gomes who just needed the time and environment to hit the reset button.

Moise Kean - Linked to Everton and Dortmund, another talent currently fighting for the spotlight in serie A. Most likely of the lads mentioned to join us. At £40m for a player with one year left on his deal I wouldn't lose sleep over him, although I hope we can pull it off.

Mauro Icardi - I'm dreaming aren't I?

Ryan Holroyd
29 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:31:24
You can forget about any centre forward coming in unless on loan as we don't have that much money to spend
John Otway
30 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:41:38
Ryan #29. Are you Sasha Ryazantsev writing under a nom de plume??
Michael Lynch
31 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:41:50
Silly season is upon us. Just a nonsense rumour.
Geoff Lambert
32 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:45:17
Ryan #29,

It's not that we don't have the money to spend just that FFP means we can't spend it.

Drew O'Neall
33 Posted 17/07/2019 at 16:52:54
The perfect centre-forward for us... if he still has it — which I suspect he does not, or soon won't have, at 33.
Martin Berry
34 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:01:31
If we can get this lad on loan upfront and bring Malcom in on the wings, we could have the Mand & Malc show and I think a lot of fans would be very excited as to how we have done business.
Michael Kenrick
35 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:17:18
Geoff @32, I know the FFP stuff is complex but I thought the lads at Everton Business Matters had put in a detailed explanation of why this would not hamper Everton's transfer dealings this pre-season.

Let me see if I can find it...

Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:23:50
I’m still expecting to sign players who haven’t been mentioned before after listening to Silva say, that they had decided to go after Delph, around March.
Tony Twist
37 Posted 17/07/2019 at 17:44:28
Fake news, I hope. I would worry if this story is true. Competent but too old and too slow.
Scott Bosworth
38 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:46:56
I'd be in favor of a signing like this--just like I was in favor of the Delph signing--for the simple reason that we desperately need a few players who have won something in their career. Players like Baines/Jags have certainly given great leadership in many ways, but...they never won anything. Never won at Anfield or Stamford Bridge. Mandzukic would not give a lick about the history between Everton and Liverpool and would not be remotely intimidated by it. While that is a negative for understanding the club and the supporters, it is a positive when it comes to helping the younger players get over whatever fear/intimidation/insecurity always creeps in when playing at Anfield and other grounds where we historically roll over and die.
Mike Gaynes
39 Posted 17/07/2019 at 18:48:09
Paul #28, great rundown. I'd be happy with any of those.

But no, Icardi is no dream. More like a nightmare. Can you imagine how his bizarre wife-agent would go down with Everton fans? Oh, my. No.

Paul Bernard
40 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:05:08
Mike G @39, I’m trying to just think outside the box a little bit. We have been linked with Rafa Leao who for the latest rumoured price of £45m along with Kean at £45m I don’t think are quite worth it. As a player they are both talented but the 1 year deal on Kean’s Contract means £45m is OTT. I understand your point on Wanda Nara or whatever she is called, but we Should be aiming for Dybala, Icardi, Costa, players who raise the profile of Everton. I know it’s a longer than long shot but if we demand the club acts like serious challengers we must change our mindset too. I only need to remind everyone of Liverpool winning a champions league with Henderson as captain or Djimi Traore beating Jaap Stam, Nesta and Maldini to the UCL to show you how psychologically we need to be more positive.
Mike Gaynes
41 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:45:43
Paul #40, Icardi and Wanda would certainly raise Everton's profile, but probably not in the way you mean!

Generally speaking, however, I'm not in favor of pursuing young, in-demand stars (Icardi, Dybala, James et al) playing for CL teams. It's a waste of precious time and resources, because they won't have the slightest interest in us until we can offer them CL football ourselves. The rest of your list at #28 is guys who haven't quite made it yet, like Richarlison was, or guys who have slipped off the radar a bit but still have major potential (similar to Digne and Gomes). Those are the buys that will get us back up where we belong, not stars with strange situations.

Steve Ferns
42 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:49:56
Agreed mike.
John McFarlane Snr
43 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:57:13
Hi all, I wasn't sure which thread to put this post on, but I see the age topic has raised it's head again on the Delph and Lookman threads. I'm glad that I was around when Stanley Matthews played until he was 50 years old, and a little while later, George Best emerged as a 17-year-old prodigy.

I'm not suggesting that football hasn't changed (of course it has), but I believe in the maxim in Best's case of, "If he's good enough, he's old enough" and in the case of Matthews, "If he's fit enough, he's good enough".

I know that much has changed over the years, but I'm a firm believer in ability outweighing age. It's not my intention to create controversy, I'm merely stating that in my opinion ability outweighs age, and yes I may be a 'stick in the mud'.

Tommy Carter
44 Posted 17/07/2019 at 19:57:34
Series A strikers, look no further than Belotti and Berardi. I think we could do both for £80m. Either would be an incredible addition to our football club.
Steve Ferns
45 Posted 17/07/2019 at 20:03:42
John, it’s not so much the age as the decline. Mandzukic has been in noticeable decline for a couple of seasons now. The performances show it and the statistics show it. If he was still playing like he did only three seasons ago then great.

We’d need to break the bank to sign this guy, and we’d expect the old mandzukic and get one who wouldn’t necessarily improve us.

The question is, would this be money well spent?

Whereas Delph is at his peak and who knows how long he can last for.

As for Matthews, he played in an era that ran a third of the distance they do today. He’d not have had the same career in the modern era, the demands on the body are too great and they take their toll.

John McFarlane Snr
46 Posted 17/07/2019 at 20:22:45
Hi Steve [45], I wasn't referring to specific players, I was merely questioning the attitude to age, at both ends, old and young. I did say that I acknowledge much has changed in the game, and that includes fitness.

In my youth, 21 was regarded as young, and 29 was old for players in the main, and I believe that it's impossible to compare players of different eras. Pitches and playing kit have to be considered.

Hoping to see you at the Excelsior next month.

Steve Ferns
47 Posted 17/07/2019 at 20:29:57
Excellent point on the comparison John. Messi wouldn’t be the same in Dean’s era, on those pitches, with those boots, those rules, and those referees.

Hope to see you as well John

Joe McMahon
48 Posted 17/07/2019 at 20:35:05
Has anyone seen Haller play (other than YouTube)? I hope West Ham haven't got a good deal.
Tommy Carter
49 Posted 17/07/2019 at 20:52:41
Joe @48,

I saw him over about 5 games in the latter stages of the Europa League last season. A very good player, 8-12 goal a season striker in the Premier League for me. And at 25, acclimatising to the Premier League by 26; I can't see any kind of steep development.

I compare him to Rondon in terms of goal output and playing style. But also and crucially, I think he's the type of striker who'll get you a brace versus Burnley at home yet be found wanting in the bigger matches.

This is fine if you aspire to steady mid-table. Like Rondon at Newcastle / West Brom. But are we talking about a player whom the top 4 will be fawning over in 12 months? In my opinion, absolutely not.

Geoff Lambert
50 Posted 17/07/2019 at 21:05:34
Age is not to be used as a measure of a player's fitness and ability.

A couple of recent reasons why not. Rooney finished at 30, Giggs still playing at top level at 38.

Sam Hoare
51 Posted 17/07/2019 at 21:05:39
Joe @48, I've spoken with Tommy about this on another thread and disagree with him slightly as I think he could be better. I'm surprised we have not gone for him as he would seem to fit our system perfectly. He is like Rondon except he is even more of a handful and is a better finisher. He works super hard and gets a lot of assists to go along with his goal return.

I'm hoping that Silva and Brands are proven right in passing on him but I don't see a lot of strikers out there who would come to us and hit the ground running like he could. I expect him to get 10-15 goals this season, a handful of assists, and to prove a favourite with the West Ham fans.

I think Leao could be our man. He looks to have pace and good movement whilst being a more natural finisher than Calvert-Lewin. Getting him or Kean would make me feel less like we have missed out on Haller.

Joe McMahon
52 Posted 17/07/2019 at 21:16:10
Thanks, Sam and Tommy. Looks like the money they have paid is a risk. Rondon is also one of many who seems to turn up when they want.
Tommy Carter
53 Posted 17/07/2019 at 21:36:02
@52 Joe. You’ve put that nice and succinctly Joe. Thanks. Exactly what I wanted to say.

Prior to this season I hadn’t seen anything of him at all other than that he caught my eye scoring goals in the Eredivisie a couple of years ago.

I’d be interested to hear from any Auxerre fans why he didn’t make any kind of impact over in France

Denis Richardson
54 Posted 17/07/2019 at 23:25:50
Mike 25 - I fully agree he’s not the player he was 3-5 seasons ago. Main thing for me is would he be an improvement on what we’ve got - this isn’t even worth discussing looking at our current striking options.

He’s a hard worker, quality player and keeps himself fit so still has a couple of decent seasons left in him. Dare say DCL would learn a few things too. He would raise the profile of the club given his experience and success.

Just find it a bit ridiculous people saying he wouldn’t be a good signing when we have the likes of Tosun and Niasse, two players who’d struggle in the championship never mind premiership. If the likes of Ashley Barnes, Glenn Murray and Josh King can score double figures playing for relatively poor sides, I’d imagine a 33 year old Mandzukic would be able to better that playing in our side.

I doubt this will happen anyway as there’ll be CL clubs wanting to sign him if he’s available.

Phil Lewis
55 Posted 18/07/2019 at 10:13:32
Have we learned nothing from the Rooney saga? I was delighted with Wayne's return, then had to sit and watch the sad demise at the highest level of this once great footballing tour de force.

No more has-beens please. Mandruzik, Costa or any other 30 plus striker whose best days are behind him for that matter. I sense something stirring at Goodison, but we desperately need a young striker with zest, pace, hunger and most importantly a natural knack of scoring goals.

I believed Haller was the one, but he is history now, we must quickly look elsewhere and be prepared to make a big investment for the right young talisman.

Offloading the deadwood – Bolasie, Mirallas, McCarthy and others – easier said than done, but can only assist recruitment. I fear another season of mediocrity unless a goalscorer is found.

Niall McIlhone
56 Posted 18/07/2019 at 10:39:54
Erm… Geoff @50. Rooney "finished" at 30? Have you forgotten he was still our top scorer playing under bloody Koeman & Allardyce, not as a striker most times, but in ever-changing lineups, and with morale at rock bottom? He still performed to a good level.

I will give you that Wayne is far from model pro athlete, but to say the he was finished at 30 is a bit harsh IMO. He was still highly motivated, scoring goals and taking responsibility on the pitch.

Some of the younger Everton players were put to shame by a 32-year-old who was supposedly "finished" 2 years earlier?

Justin Doone
57 Posted 18/07/2019 at 13:22:42
Generally in sport, age should not come into it, its all about ability.; however, ability is not just skill, its also about mental and physical strength or wellbeing.

The counter is the majority of sports people peak in their 20s – it's then about maintaining it for as long as possible.

Unfortunately in football every club is now run as a business. That means profits, minimising risks, getting good value, and includes revenue through resale value.

More specifically with Delph, his recent long-term injury record and general ability are worse than our current midfield players. So I see very little logic in bringing him in if we are trying to improve.

Tony Abrahams
58 Posted 18/07/2019 at 14:34:41
I honestly think paragraph 2, and paragraph 5, are a contradiction, Justin, because I'm sure I've heard Delph has got plenty of mental strength.
Paul Bernard
59 Posted 18/07/2019 at 14:53:23
Tommy C at 44, you can see by my list I watch some serie A because of Milan. Berardi is more of a wing forward - id still be buzzing with him, problem is I heard a rumour a while ago that Juve have first dibs on him.

Bellotti is another player who could help fill the void, same goes for Zapata or Immobile, good finishers with decent pace and hold up play.

Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 18/07/2019 at 15:24:31
Tommy #44, great choices of players but I think your number is unrealistic... £100m would be more like it. Bellotti would cost £65m by himself -- Torino just reportedly knocked back a £55m offer from West Ham -- and Berardi probably half that.

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