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Everton linked with Brazilian 'wonderkid'

| Friday, 19 July 2019 50comments  |  Jump to last
Everton are looking to sign Reinier Jesus from Flamengo in a €40m deal according to sources in Brazil.

According to the AllThingsSeleçao Twitter account, the 17 year-old has been tracked by Real Madrid, Ajax, Juventus and Manchester City but the Blues are leading the chase to sign him.

The midfielder has apparently begun following Everton on social media while another source claims that Reinier's representatives have travelled to England to meet with Everton, leading to fevered speculation that there may be something to the story.

@seleçaotalk describe Reinier as "the brightest talent in an exceptional generation of young Brazilians. With many believing he will reach the very top of the game, it would be nothing short of remarkable for Everton."

Globo in Brazil are also reporting on the link with Everton but that Reinier would remain with Flamengo until January when he turns 18.



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Simon Smith
1 Posted 19/07/2019 at 11:53:10
Valued at 3 million Euro’s on transfermarkt.
John Graham
2 Posted 19/07/2019 at 11:56:32
Another piece of mouthwatering rubbish.
We will continue to be linked with every man and his dog until the transfer window closes.
The quicker we get players in the sooner we can get on with looking forward to the coming season.
Dave Abrahams
3 Posted 19/07/2019 at 12:08:38
Jay Wood, calling Jay Wood, come on Jay give us the low down on this kid. Please.
Rob Marsh
4 Posted 19/07/2019 at 12:09:33
I wonder if Naymar was only valued £3m when he was being described as:

"the brightest talent in an exceptional generation of young Brazilians. With many believing he will reach the very top of the game, it would be nothing short of remarkable for Everton."

I'm suspicous of this one, in any case he may well follow us on social media, but will still go to the highest bidder. And if he is as good as they're saying then we should be talking silly money!

Kunal Desai
5 Posted 19/07/2019 at 12:12:24
Yeah I can really see us pay €40 million for some unknown kid, not even proven and unlikely to get a work permit.
Roll on the deadline day. All will be revealed.
Simon Smith
6 Posted 19/07/2019 at 12:17:09
He’s probably a fan of Richarlison, hence following us.
Sam Hoare
7 Posted 19/07/2019 at 12:26:40
There’s definitely something in this as he has just started following Richie, Bernard and Everton on his insta. No other English clubs.

Brands likes to plan ahead and this would be very much that. The fee would be more like £15m up front and the rest depending on progress.

He’s rated very, very highly. Saw him described as mix between Kaka and Zidane. Fast, creative, technical.

He’d stay in Brazil till January then likely on loan to Europe. Guess he’d start featuring in our team next year but probably would not be PL ready till nearer 2021. If he’s half as good as people say he is then expect us to sell him to a big club in 2023 for £120m!

Eric Myles
8 Posted 19/07/2019 at 12:40:08
Just two words to say on this.

Work permit.

Darren Murphy
9 Posted 19/07/2019 at 12:44:14
Sweet Jesus...think we can file this one with the 24 hour Zaha one.
Neil Wood
10 Posted 19/07/2019 at 13:16:41
Loving the negativity... This is exactly what we should be doing alongside strengthening for today.

Some people man.

Some would rather have us sign Solomon Rondon now than plan for the next ten years with these types. Baffles me

Jer Kiernan
11 Posted 19/07/2019 at 13:22:12
When he misses a sitter we will all be shouting "ah Jesus! " :)


Sorry

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

12 Posted 19/07/2019 at 13:36:30
Dave @ 3.

Sorry mate. I can't help. I don't and won't pretend I know the player or say I have seen him play when I haven't.

I said the same of Richarlison when he joined us. He simply didn't register with me if and when I watched him play for his former club Fluminese.

I've heard of this kid, but that's it. I might have seen him play for the national junior sides, but I simply don't recall him.

What I can tell you is that Flamengo is THE biggest club in Brazil followed, by some estimates, by 30-40 MILLION registered supporters nationwide. As such, they get preferential media exposure from the likes of Brazil's biggest broadcaster, Globo. And Globo ARE reporting this today.

Globo without doubt will have very, VERY good contacts with Flamengo. They are saying a club rep, en route to Spain, has stopped over in England to discuss the sale of 'a joia' - 'the jewel' - Reinier Jesus, with Everton reps.

The report says the likes of Milan, Borussia Dortmund, Real Madrid and Manchester City have all shown interest in the boy.

It speaks of a 70 million EUROS release clause, but that Everton has offered 40 million euros with performance related add ons. If true, we are possibly exploiting the fact that his current contract expires in 18 months, 31 December. If he remains with them, Flamengo wish to extend his contract to 2024.

As already noted, he has NEVER played 1st team football although he is included in the named squad for Copa Libertadores games - the South American equivalent of the CL.

He is currently recovering from knee tendinitis but is expected to play a couple of games for Brazil's U-17s next week.

A little bit of extra info, Flamengo is now managed by the Portuguese nutter Jorge Jesus who some might recall coached Benfica to success before provoking huge outrage by jumping ship to their city rivals Sporting. He probably doesn't hold enough sway yet to insist the club keeps Jesus. The club also own 100% of the rights to the player, so no 3rd party nonsense which is very common with Brazilian players.

Finally, the boy would certainly train at and possibly even have been housed at the Flamengo training centre where earlier this year, you might recall, 10 young players lost their lives in a fire. No idea if he was actually there himself that fatal night.

To me, the fee is absurd for unproven potential. We could pick up the oven-ready Everton Santos from Gremio for the same fee and he would walk into our side from the off and have bums off seats every game.

Maybe Fran Mitchell knows more about his actual playing abilities..?

Sorry I can't offer more insight beyond a translation of Globo's report, Dave.

Denis Richardson
13 Posted 19/07/2019 at 13:38:57
Had to laugh when I read '"the brightest talent in an exceptional generation of young Brazilians. With many believing he will reach the very top of the game, it would be nothing short of remarkable for Everton'.

Reminds me of the 'top scorer in Russia' reports as we were being conned Into signing Niasse.

Juve have just splashed out £67m on a 19 year old CB. If this 17 year old really is the next global star, sorry but why exactly would he be going to Everton? The likes of Real, Barca, PSG, Juve, Bayern etc would be all over this and no doubt his agent will be trying to get him to one of these clubs..

Having a coach who speaks the same language is useful but not sure that bridges the gap between ourselves and the top clubs in Europe.

On another note, AFCoN final tonight so I expect to see the Gueye to PSG talk start again next week. Think he'll be gone soon personally so that may mean a sudden burst of signings once we've banked £45m.

Big KO 3 weeks today

Stephen Davies
14 Posted 19/07/2019 at 13:42:00
Whatever way it goes he will be unavailable during the U17 WC in Brazil in 3 months
Dave Abrahams
15 Posted 19/07/2019 at 14:18:23
Jay, (12), Thanks Jay, I’ll put Jesus down as unlikely to come to us.
Brian Wilkinson
16 Posted 19/07/2019 at 14:28:51
While we are here, just a quick heads up about the Everton Monaco game today.

As far as I am aware it is on YouTube live at 5pm uk time today.

Can any of the Ed’s or posters fill us Evertonians with any information please.

Anthony Murphy
17 Posted 19/07/2019 at 14:39:16
Echo (I know) saying they believe there’s nothing in this or the Leao link
Pat Kelly
18 Posted 19/07/2019 at 14:47:49
Sources in Brazil. Enough said.
Dave Abrahams
19 Posted 19/07/2019 at 14:53:48
Brian (16), it’s advertised onEverton TV as being shown at 5-00pm to season ticket holders and members, you have to log in first, have had no luck in logging in, maybe I’ma bit early.
Jer Kiernan
20 Posted 19/07/2019 at 14:56:12
Anybody with IPTV it is I believe been shown on ESPN3
Tony Abrahams
21 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:00:03
I’ve just saw Jethro the postman, who was telling me that Everton have signed a wonder-boy, but he wouldn’t tell me know-more?

He made me laugh anyway, told me he’s not coming till January, but they reckon he’s the next Pele, which must have him trying to give me a clue, now I’m reading this!

Tony Abrahams
22 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:01:12
It’s on in the taxi-club, I’ve just been informed off Jethro, Dave.
Derek Knox
23 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:05:14
Thanks Jay for the info, you have almost confirmed my suspicions that just because this kid is Brazilian and has some talent, and we happen to have a couple ourselves, whether the Instagram part is true or not, oh let's link him to Everton for megamillions.

I'd rather we were starting to hear about actual tentative links who (barring a disaster) had pen in hand and were about to commit to the Everton cause.

Brian @ 16, thanks too for reminding me about the AFCON game which I may have forgotten about as I'm watching the Open Golf avidly, but need a diversion. I will always get the highlights later, so won't miss a lot, weather has become deplorable in Northern Ireland so it dampens spirits all round. Oh it's also on Eurosport which most can get on Freeview!

Pat K, we have our own very reliable sources in Brazil through Jay and Fran, so anything serious we should get to know about it, so as you say put it down to Brazil Nuts.

Derek Knox
24 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:11:07
Tony @ 22, don't tell me Jethro got it off Cousin Pearl who had been talking to Uncle Jed, as he was a fishing in that cement pond! :-)
Brian Wilkinson
25 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:15:00
I never bother with the Everton tv, always seems to go belly ups.

Watched the last game on youtube, never stopped or froze and certainly watchable on there.

Paul Bernard
26 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:35:52
Apparently Moshiri fully believes Brands is the right man to lead our revolution. The targets are identified and our intentions known, it’s coming down to getting the wage bill down. Either for FFP or let’s be honest, because there is far too much deadwood sitting treading water on nice contracts. I think if Gana, McCarthy, Bolasie, Niasse or Morgan go then we could see someone coming in. One in - one out, except it’s not sell to buy more sell to balance.
Jay Harris
27 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:37:05
The Brazilian Rooney anyone?

Dont forget Rooney went for 27m at 18 and we considered that daylight robbery.

I don't know anything about the kid or the potential deal just saying we need to keep an open mind and trust Marcel.

Jay Harris
28 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:40:15
Brian,
I totally endorse that view.

After paying 30 to watch Sion I couldnt get the stream and support came back to me 3 days later and told me I needed to logout and login again.

Despite writing back and telling them I already did that and would like to have it resolved before the Monaco game I have not received any further reply.

Amateurs!!

Joe O'Brien
29 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:45:24
Jay@13 how's it going mate? Was thinking that Everton guy must be overrated since we haven't been linked with him. He's available for less than the reported fees for Mosie Kane and Leao.. and he's a national team mate of Richarlison.. and finally his name is Everton! Why aren't we in for him?
Seems a no- brainer to me.. since we for sure need a striker.
Brian Wilkinson
30 Posted 19/07/2019 at 15:57:39
I would try youtube Jay, ok it’s not hd picture quality, but for a stream it is certainly watchable and did not freeze at all during the Sion game.
Tom Bowers
31 Posted 19/07/2019 at 16:13:47
Another rumour and another no-name ?
Everton's scouting over the years has been a mess judging by all the under-achievers they have brought in of any age group.
Let's all just wait and see ( and hope) that the right moves will happen and change this club's fortunes soon.
Andy Codling
32 Posted 19/07/2019 at 16:16:27
Are we on you tube tonight
James Marshall
33 Posted 19/07/2019 at 16:22:21
£35m spent on a 17yr old nobody has ever heard of? Really?

Seems legit.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

34 Posted 19/07/2019 at 16:34:05
Jay @ 27. First up, it's only a rumour. Nothing more.

Second up, by the time we sold Rooney aged just 18, he had played a couple of seasons in the PL, scored some wonder goals, wowed the world for England's national team at the Euros and was very much a known quality. It was obvious he was going to have a mega-career.

This Reinier Jesus kid hasn't had a single second of first team football in any competition. Not one. Unlike Rooney who was already an England regular at the age this kid is now, he has not played club or international football beyond his age group with the seniors.

You could put up names from Everton's own academy down the years who looked as if they were destined for big things, but who never made the step up to adult football in the Big Boys' League.

The last 'wonderkid' Flamengo flogged was Vinicius Jr to Real Madrid, who also signed a pre-contract agreement which allowed him to stay at Flamengo until his 18th birthday - the minimum age FIFA allows for international transfers of this nature.

Again, like Rooney, at least Vinicius had a full season of actually playing for the first team before leaving for RM. Now I saw a lot of Vinicius and whilst he has his moments and a few tricks, I didn't get the hype over him, or his fee of 46 million euros. But at least he showed he can play men's football.

There is ZERO proof anyone can produce that Reinier Jesus will continue to develop and fulfil his potential, OR that he can cut it at first team level.

I trust in Brands and his methods Jay. But this (only rumoured) transfer as it is described is extremely high risk and seems far removed from the model the Dutchman has followed in his career to date. Maybe one day Everton may be in a position to take such a punt. I would suggest that day remains far off for now and is not part of the strategy in this transfer window.

John Pierce
35 Posted 19/07/2019 at 16:48:39
Lots of scoffing and eye-rolling at another South American youngster with potential.

Whilst I’m more than happy to dismiss the individual case it’s clear we are putting ‘mucho’ fingers in lots of South American pies, as the summer has produced several similar stories.

What’s I think is not being reflected here is were Everton are as a club. Perhaps people’s reactions indicate they think we are still a big deal? We are not IMO. We simply are not a big enough draw to established players, those players need bigger wages etc. to get them here and let’s face it aren’t committed beyond that.

I believe this really is the only route to get a jump on better teams combined with a hugely over achieving season.

So I’m braced for one of these youngsters from South American being pushed through however far fetched. Obviously the FA’s work permit criteria is much more stringent that Holland so I hope Brands is finding those players who can be an ‘exception talent’ or have EU passports to skirt those rules.

Sadly I think we are deffo looking in the bargain bins.

John G Davies
36 Posted 19/07/2019 at 17:16:27
Jay 12,

Some very interesting points there.
Good post.

Brendan Fox
37 Posted 19/07/2019 at 19:21:39
I know a lot of you fellow bluenoses have seen a lot of shite spouted in transfer season over the years and have asked the question about a work permit for the lad if this rumour has any legs, a lot of Brazilian's I am mates with have Italian/Portuguese or Spanish passports due to familial links so therefore have no issues currently (sic) with work permits to live and work in the UK.

Let's hope if the kid is as good a prospect as us being reported and the club have stolen a march on all the other clubs that he has an EU passport in his sky rocket and is on his way to the Blues!

Nicholas Ryan
38 Posted 19/07/2019 at 19:34:57
How nicely ironic, that, on a day when we are playing Monaco, we are linked with signing 'Prince Reinier'!
Steve Ferns
39 Posted 19/07/2019 at 20:25:35
If this kid really is the next Messi, we won’t need to worry about a work permit. That’s how the likes of city sign these Brazilian wonder kids. We just need to back up that he really is the “Brazilian jewel” and if they believe it, we then argue he’d be straight into our first team (presumably why were at the front of the queue) and we’d get him easy.

But once again, I expect work permit rules to be ripped up once Brexit happens. So if he comes in 12 months time then this would be under the new system.

Jim Potter
40 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:40:06
I half believe these kind of links when done by a reputable journalist, but 90% of these are thought up by spotty teenagers in their bedrooms.

When I was that age I was 'linked' with Wonder Woman (Lynda Carter) in unimaginable ways.

Anyone got any zit cream?

Alan J Thompson
41 Posted 20/07/2019 at 14:49:59
It's been reported that Everton representatives have been seen at Bolton, Wigan, Brentford and Fleetwood possibly discussing the loaning of another promising, young Everton player in order that he gets some competitive games.
Bob Parrington
42 Posted 22/07/2019 at 08:36:06
Yeah! €40M for a 17-year-old and the world is going to explode next week. You'd think they would try to be a little more imaginative with their exaggeration, eh?
Sam Hoare
43 Posted 22/07/2019 at 09:29:49
I think if it is £40m its probably only £15-20m upfront. Rest on clauses. Paying £15m-20m for a South American player gives you a much bigger chance of getting a work permit. Don't think it will be an issue for this player as he is so highly thought of.

Don't know whether this particular move will come off but it is the sort of tactic that Brands was bought in to impliment. Yes there is risk involved but if kids like this come anywhere close to realising their potential then they cost 3 times as much in 4-5 years time having hopefully got you some goals and higher profile in the meantime.

John Otway
44 Posted 22/07/2019 at 09:53:00
Oh thank you Jim Potter #40!! No chance of any productive work here this morning as all thoughts are dominated by the stunning Lynda Carter!!
Justin Doone
45 Posted 22/07/2019 at 22:53:54
And I presume work permit is not an issue because his parents are from the EU?

Better get a move on applying for a passport.

Justin Doone
46 Posted 22/07/2019 at 23:37:37
How about Lookman, heard he's got all the quality's you would want in a young attacking player and no visa issues!
Mike Reed
47 Posted 31/07/2019 at 17:02:21
I always said that Jesus would come to Everton one day
Steve Ferns
48 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:24:01
So the kid made his debut last night. I'd post the 2-minute YouTube clip showing every touch in his 20-minute cameo, but as it was very underwhelming, I wouldn't bother watching it. The lad is only 17 and he was playing 20 minutes, and did nothing of note.
Sam Hoare
49 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:33:36
Underwhelming is right Steve. Barely completed a pass! Does seem a lot to pay for a kid with NO senior game time but guess you have to in order to get ahead of the pack.

Wonder if Brands is tempted by Thiago Almada who is a similar type player who has already made a first team impact at Velez Sarsfield. Man City looking at him.

Steve Ferns
50 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:35:59
We gotta trust in Brands, Sam. I'd give the man my last pound and expect him to turn it into gold. He's a magician and his judgement is sound.

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