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PSG close to agreeing deal for Gueye

| Saturday, 20 July 2019 220comments  |  Jump to last
Paris Saint-Germain have upped their efforts to sign Idrissa Gueye from Everton, with L'Equipe reporting that the two clubs are close to agreement over a €35m transfer.

PSG tried to sign the Senegal international in January but were rebuffed by an intransigent Blues hierarchy despite the player signalling his desire to make what he described as a "dream move".

The French giants have reportedly returned with a fresh offer around €10m more than that which was rejected a few months ago and, if this latest claim is true, both Gueye and PSG could get their wish as soon as Monday, with L'Equipe reporting that Everton will target a replacement for the 29-year-old.



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David Chait
1 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:15:30
Sooner we get this done the better. Personally feel this is the right time for both club and player to move on. We will max the amount we can get.. one more year and you can almost half it his value. Gueye gets the shot at the big time for a few years.. win win

We have the money then in the bank to push through the areas we clearly lacking namely the striker!

Derek Knox
2 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:32:18
Much as I like Gana, I think maybe it's time to cash in while he has value, besides he has allegedly said he wants his dream move to PSG. I watched the AFCON final and most of the games before and to be honest Gana looked very ordinary for the most part.

I am not doing the sour grapes routine because he may be leaving but think as David @1 said let's sell and move on, we need a rebuild anyway, or rather a part rebuild, as we have some decent players we just need to go up a gear if we want to seriously challenge for the Top Table.

Dennis Garlden
3 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:35:10
Maybe we reconsider keeping James McCarthy? Looked good when finally got fit again for a game or two from memory, would save us having to fund a replacement for Gana meaning we could focus on a striker.

Then we also have Davies to groom who could play a harassing, tackling game with his youthful speed perhaps? Acknowledging, of course, that is not really his natural game I'm sure there r others coming up too. Gomes could play deep in the hole also in more of a midfield sweeper role in a pinch?

Peter Laing
4 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:35:58
Great player for Everton, but at his age and his desire to play in France for PSG I wish Gana nothing but best wishes and good luck. Hopefully £35 million is a decent down payment on a replacement such as Doucoure
Gordon White
5 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:41:14
I agree with the comments above.
Andrew Ellams
6 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:41:46
If he has to go, then please go all out for Franck Kessie.
James Stewart
7 Posted 19/07/2019 at 23:50:48
We still haven't replaced Lukaku 2 years on.

We won't be getting Zouma so need to replace him. With that in mind, I think it would be utter madness to sell Gana for £35m which is chump change in this market. Tyrone Mings went for £27m for god's sake.

How on earth do you replace Gana for £35m? He bossed the midfield especially against the Sky 6 at the end of last season and is on a long contract, we don't have to sell. Small-minded mentality that needs to change.

Iakovos Iasonidis
8 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:22:45
Good luck to Gueye, I have the highest respect for him, he showed great mature in the way he handled this whole situation, exactly the opposite than Lukaku in the past. The price is good but I have the feeling this year we sell to buy and this strategy doesn't get you a top 6 finish. If only we had the transfer kitty koeman had and spent it in 3 number 10s and no striker, what a waste that was...
Karl Masters
9 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:25:02
Agree with James Stewart.
Andrew James
10 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:39:11
£38 million - PSG have the cash...
Jerome Shields
11 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:43:34
Delph is looking more like a Gueye replacement by the day.
Don Alexander
12 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:50:02
The longer the unfettered power of players and their odious agents goes on, the more disenchanted I am with football. To me they're all sharks, designed and determined to achieve personal fulfilment without the slightest regard to the damage they do to the real world around them, including teams like us, unable to out-spend Europe's so-called elite.

And as for loyalty to contracts, clubs, or fans, get real, yer 'avin' a laff. Players and agents would "sympathetically" drive club owners to the hole-in-the-wall that'd render the club bankrupt in order to pay their obscene contract, leaving the fans fucked.

Mark Wilson
13 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:53:15
Is Gana a better defensive mid than.
McCarthy, yes
Delph, yes
Gomes, yes
Davies, yes
Any reserve defender, yes

Who do u get to replace a player that has bossed the AFCON tournament and consistently outplayed most defensive mid players in prem league
And u only have £33m to spend in a market where Mings goes for £27m? Why let him go ? Zouma not coming is he so look at the defensive end, it’s in serious trouble.

Jack Convery
14 Posted 20/07/2019 at 00:56:17
I wish him all the best on his new venture. Its up to M&M to use the dosh wisely now. Things on the transfer front should start slotting into place pretty quickly now this appears to have been settled.
Mike Gaynes
15 Posted 20/07/2019 at 01:12:21
Damn, damn, damn. I hate this.

But if any player has earned the right to pursue his dream, it's Gana, and in my opinion €35m is a reasonable price. I wish him all the best.

We must buy a replacement -- what we have is not adequate. Macca, the obvious one, has had seven serious injuries in five years. Delph can pass but is not a ballwinner at all. For all his enthusiasm and talent, Davies is still young and unproven. Gomes is a crappy defender who gives away free kicks around the box.

If the reports earlier this week are true, Kessie has been offered to us for similar money. There are others out there to be found. And I'm quite certain Brands knew this was coming and planned for it.

John Boon
16 Posted 20/07/2019 at 01:22:07
Taking a big chance selling him because he was so good last season. However at his age PSG are also taking a bigger chance buying him. BUT we will need a really good player to replace him. We don't have a player on the books to replace him.
Alan McGuffog
17 Posted 20/07/2019 at 01:30:10
Sorry but €35 million for a midfielder as good as Gueye with 3 years left on his contract is an act of charity. He has years left in him and PSG seem to be desperate for him. We are still such a soft touch. Sad.
Dennis Garlden
18 Posted 20/07/2019 at 03:53:50
Maybe the club had an agreement with him: stay a year and, if we don't qualify for Europe, we won't stand in your way.??? ... the only reason I can think of why we wouldn't be asking for more.
Jay Harris
19 Posted 20/07/2019 at 05:16:14
Clubs with ambition do not sell their best players except if its for silly money and 35m in todays market is chump change.

I would tell Gueye to knuckle down and get CL with us. He has a contract which the clubs always honour so why not the players. Even if he runs his contract down we will have spent less than having to find an adequate replacement.

Ray Roche
20 Posted 20/07/2019 at 06:47:12
Jay, United sold Ronaldo, the RS sold Suarez and Coutinho, Chelsea sold Hazard, Arsenal the Chilean get who’s name escapes me and PSG themselves Neymar who left Barca!
Don’t use the “ambitious clubs don’t sell “ argument to beat Everton with. The players decide not the clubs.
Francis van Lierop
21 Posted 20/07/2019 at 06:53:34
Unfortunately this was always on the cards.
Personally I would have liked to have gotten 10m more, but we don't know what was agreed in the winter window.
Gana did play even better this last half year, implying he knew he got his move, but we don't know.

Darren Hind
22 Posted 20/07/2019 at 07:28:53
Its not the end of the world. We simply change our style to one which isn't super reliant on one tackling machine.
When Gray went people said he wouldnt be replaced. We simply changed our style and his successor scored forty.
When Grays successor went, people said he couldnt be replaced. We simply changed our style again and won the league.
Players come and go. Its how you deal with it that counts. Nobody is irreplaceable.

We have a good coach, we have 5-6 players who I expect to progress and improve on last season.
As I said on another thread. My money will be on us achieving a higher points haul this time around. . with or without the services of Gana, Zouma, or anybody else who thinks the grass elswhere is greener.

Why have Evertonians become so obsessed with not conceding ? Replace the out and out stoppers with people who can play and watch us fly


John G Davies
23 Posted 20/07/2019 at 07:35:05
Perfectly put, Darren. We already have the replacement in Delph.

Replace Gana with Delph and use the surplus money from transfer fee for Gomes.

So Gana = Gomes and Delph? Clever business.

Laurie Hartley
24 Posted 20/07/2019 at 07:35:36
Ray#20 - “the players decide not the club” - sadly I think that is true in most cases.

I will be sorry to see Gana go but my view is if a player really wants to go you just have to get the best deal you can for them.

Credit to the club for not letting him go in January and to Gana for not spitting the dummy.

Sam Hoare
25 Posted 20/07/2019 at 07:36:05
If he wants to go I can’t begrudge him a move. He’s been my favourite player over the last 3-4 years and reliably top class at what he does. I hope it’s £35-40m and not less as he really is worth more than that.

Life will carry on. Will be all about his replacement. Kessie would be a good option. Sammasekou I also like but would really love Sangare from Toulouse who’s tackling is almost as good as Gueye’s and passes it much better. Really hope the links to Toussart from Lyon are nothing as don’t rate him.

Ciarán McGlone
26 Posted 20/07/2019 at 07:41:46
Darren is right.. no one is irreplaceable..but Gana is as close to irreplaceable as you can get in a team like ours.

The guy is a consumate professional and deserves his shot, but that transfer fee (if true) is an absolute disgrace.

Mal van Schaick
27 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:03:05
Whole hearted player. I hope he stays but if we have to cash in, take the money and move on. I wish we would do our transfer business quicker, then we can settle down and look forward to the new season.
Jim Bennings
28 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:11:22
If we go into the season with losing Gana and Zouma then we have substantialy weakened our team simple as that and no matter how you paint it, we will not be as strong next season.

Tom Davies is not as disciplined as Gana.

James McCarthy has not played a competitive match for Everton since January 2018 and never will again!

Schneiderlin is not as athletic and can’t do it alone.

Delph is our only near hope but will his fitness hold up?

It’s not about changing our style, we don’t possess the playing options to change our style, we tried to do that under Koeman and Allardyce and it didn’t work.

We are losing two of our best four players from last season, that’s not about changing style, that’s a struggle on the cards.

Martin Berry
29 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:34:00
I have never had any doubts about him going to PSG after the January approach.
I guessed that Everton said put in your usual shift for us until the summer and we will let you have your dream move, providing the fee is right. This gives Everton time for a replacement.
Good look ( in advance ) to him, also the fee is far too good to turn down and with the McCarthy money added we could find a younger version.
Peter Roberts
30 Posted 20/07/2019 at 08:40:28
Rumour mill this morning is we are vying for Blaise Matuidi alongside PSG Utd and Arsenal. He’s 32 and while I’ve heard of him I don’t know he’s a defensive midfielder in the mould of Gomes or Gana.

I know he’s 32 and a good player so depending on how cheap the deal is it could be a good short-term option while we recruit/promote Ganas longterm replacement

Denis Richardson
31 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:14:16
Truly wish him well if he goes, which seems likely. Great signing for £7m by Koeman I think, which nets off some of the duff ones.

Big price for us and he gets his dream move. Could have sulked in Jan but got his head down and still put the effort in.

With the pound sinking ever lower, PSG don’t need to break the bank paying Euros.

Tony Everan
32 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:24:19
If he wants to go I think we have to let him this time.

He has been fantastic for us this year and the best in the league at what he does, but I don't want to keep players who are desperate to move elsewhere. Especially at his stage of career.

I trust Brands to get top dollar and reinvest it wisely.

Tony Abrahams
33 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:45:47
Agree with Darren, but can’t believe he’s not that bothered about us trying to keep clean sheets though!

If Gueye goes then I’ll wish him good luck, he’s been good for Everton, and has a great attitude, but no player is irreplaceable, it just depends on how you go about dealing with your losses, and trying to find players who might actually become better for the team.

He’s not a defensive midfielder imo, he’s a player who gets about the field really well, with a prodigious work-rate, and maybe without him Everton, might just become a more disciplined side?

Peter Warren
34 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:49:26
If only we still had Steve Walsh to pick someone to replace him
Ryan Holroyd
35 Posted 20/07/2019 at 09:53:15
Take the money and reinvest in someone else like Sangare. Life will go on and Everton will survive. I've been hearing for years and years of our impending doom, heck some had us for relegation last season.
Steve Ferns
36 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:02:39
Idrissa will be a big loss. The man brands wants is said to be Lucas Tousart of Lyon. €30m so more a straight swap.

What kind of player is Tousart, he’s defensive midfielder with a focus on defensive. He’s not the deep lying playmaker I’d prefer. He’s a solid player who will anchor the midfield, cover a lot of ground, work hard and stay deep. He should allow Gomes to get further forward but with his passing by being exceptional he will rely on others to make the telling passes. That said he can move the ball quickly which is what silva wants. He’s also good enough to be the France u21 captain.

I wonder if anyone else has seen more of him and can give more insight?

James Newcombe
37 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:09:01
Our most important player - we mugged Aston Villa. Not the greatest with the ball, and you’d want practically anyone else to shoot... but what an engine
Phil Martin
38 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:11:47
I'll say it again. Everton are the only club who could get short changed by the world's most frivolous club.
Michael Lynch
39 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:34:18
On the one hand, 35m is nowhere near a fair price for the man who was surely one of the best DMs in the PL last season, if not THE best. On the other hand, it's just a number - not my money is it? The idea must be to buy a brilliant replacement, not to buy the most expensive replacement, so we have to assume the club know what they're doing, having identified the replacement and will be wrapping a deal within days, and have decided to let Gana go at a low price out of respect for him working his socks off after not getting the move in January, and the fact that we are still turning a big profit on a 29 year old.

Be interested to see who comes in this week.

Michael Lynch
40 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:37:23
Steve, the only thing I can add about Tousart is that he has a decent well-groomed beard, like a vanilla version of Gomes really. Speaking as a man with a fair old beard myself, I'm impressed so far.
Anthony Murphy
41 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:42:36
I won’t be surprised if Gueye goes and isn’t replaced. It’s not impossible that the money from the sale of Gueye is reinvested in priority areas elsewhere. Maybe Silva will consider CM covered? Just a thought.
Tony Abrahams
42 Posted 20/07/2019 at 10:57:16
He did say, if Gueye goes, then he wants another midfielder, though, Anthony.
Frank Crewe
43 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:22:02
He'll be 30 in September. PSG have allegedly offered more than five times what we paid for him. As I have pointed out on other threads, this is the very definition of Brands profile. We have had our money's worth out of him. A good offer has come in so we should let him go and reinvest the money in newer, younger player or players and move on.

Not to mention as PSG are a French club he won't be coming back to Goodison to make us wish we'd kept him. Unless we make the top four this season, of course, then we might see him next season.

If we are going to go with this idea of buying mostly young players with future sell-on value we can't complain when it actually happens. No player is indispensable. They are all saleable assets should the right offer be made. We have to concentrate on players who are happy to be at Everton and not dreaming of richer pickings elsewhere.

Trying to hang on to unhappy players never works out and in the end just reduces their transfer value. I doubt we will get a much better offer for Gueye than the one we supposedly have now considering his age.

James Stewart
44 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:35:46
@38, Nail... head!
Jim Bennings
45 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:40:06
Since when has 30 all of a sudden become old in football?

Forget sell on values, how about some of our greatest players over the years?

Neville Southall, Dave Watson?

To a lesser standard Lee Carsley, Nigel Martin, Gareth Barry, Alan Stubbs, Davie Weir?

Were they not integral to what we were doing at the time?

Louis Saha was 30 when we signed him, to this day he’s one of the most talented centre forwards I’ve seen at Everton in terms of him having the full package, two great feet, heading ability, pace, he was strong.

All of a sudden anyone aged over 27 isn’t worth the shit on anyone shoes?

Tommy Carter
46 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:54:02
I'm a fan of Idrissa Gueye. He is excellent at what he does, but he is a specialist player. And when you have a player like this, you have to play with that kind of player in your team.

Sarri manoeuvred Kanté last season because of this very reason. He didn't suit the style that he wanted to play.

Personally I don't think Silva will be too fussed as I feel he would prefer two players who are strong defensive players but also general midfield players. Gomes, Schneiderlin and Tom Davies fit this category.

Gary Ashworth
47 Posted 20/07/2019 at 11:55:14
The one key element in the Gueye saga is that he indicated in January he was interested in a move to PSG (the "dream move"). No matter how great he is, I've always said when a player wants to move on, let him move on.

Obviously Everton want to get the best deal they can and Gueye's market value is €25m although these days players can be sold for double their market value. I doubt PSG would pay €50m for him, but there is the option of a straight swap or player plus cash option... Meunier? Cavani? Kimpembe?

Frank Crewe
48 Posted 20/07/2019 at 12:01:32
Jim I find it surprising that you make such a complaint. We have griped for years that most of the buys we have made were players who other clubs had gotten the best out of and were past their best years. We now have the opportunity to buy players coming into their prime years. Richarlison, Gomes, Digne, Mina, etc are good examples. But to continue we have to make room for them. A good offer has apparently been made for a player on the cusp passing his best years plus he wants to leave the club. As I said, take the offer and invest the money in younger players.

There sometimes appears to be a resistance to selling any players at all. From the youngster with "potential" to the old warhorse who served the club for years. We cannot keep every player. Buying and selling players is the lifeblood of football. It keeps the fans excited and revitalises squads with new blood.

Players come and go. Only the club remains.

Tommy Carter
49 Posted 20/07/2019 at 12:10:12
@47

Gary you make an excellent point. PSG are the type of club that have several players not getting first team football. I think it would be wise to manoeuvre for a swap deal. Cavani, even at his age would be an unbelievable addition.

Christopher Timmins
50 Posted 20/07/2019 at 12:16:49
If he wants to go, then what's the point in stopping him at this stage? Take the cash and use if to acquire a direct replacement and a centre-half.
Phil Martin
51 Posted 20/07/2019 at 12:21:02
@50, the issue is, if the fee is close to what is being reported, we won't be able to afford a direct replacement. Or anything like Guey's quality.

I don't begrudge him his move. I just hate to see Everton sell their best player over the last few years and not get enough to buy a decent replacement.

Jim Knightley
52 Posted 20/07/2019 at 12:32:34
I understand the sentiments about letting Gueye go because it's PSG, his dream etc – he has been a committed and superb player for us and one of our best buys in the Premier League. But his contract expiry is some way off, and selling him this close to the deadline is putting us in trouble.

I know this situation is a product of AFCON but the early transfer deadline is a real problem in this situation. If he is to go, we deserve an inflated fee from a club who have spent insane amounts of money — if anything, this fee looks under market value.

I think we should resist selling unless he kicks up a fuss and we have a replacement ready. He is comfortably our best defensive midfield. It's not merely a case of replacing him with a different or more attack-minded player and scoring more goals than we concede. We have three attack-minded midfielders (Bernard does great work defensively) in front of a central midfield two and full-backs with license to get forward. We need someone very defensive in there.

Many top teams with attacking full-backs have moved to three central midfielders to keep the team solid. Liverpool were a superb example – their midfield three, whoever they were, performed a defensive job last season (despite not being the most gifted of footballers in some cases) and allowed full-backs to play as virtual wingers at points and the attackers to attack.

We are already pushing it with two there and signing a replacement for Gueye, if he goes, will prove even more pivotal than signing the striker we need. The role of Gomes, and of the attacking full-backs, depends on a player like Gueye. We want attacking football and will get it with Silva, but clean sheets guarantee points and attacking football, as the Martinez era demonstrated, does not. We need to find the balance and that's shifting in the wrong direction with Zouma gone and Gana half way out.

This might be expected but it's terrible news. I'm happy with Delph as a squad player but I'm not convinced that he is up to playing the Gana rule week in week out. If Gueye goes we need a new defensive midfielder, still need a centre-back, and still need a striker before the season starts.

Steve Carse
53 Posted 20/07/2019 at 12:33:31
Losing Gueye will mean fewer successful attempts to regain possession. You won't find any available player to remedy that. So, to compensate for seeing less of the ball, you need to make better use of the possession you have. That's what the focus of attention should be on, whether it's with the players we already have or by getting the cheque book out.

The game yesterday was a perfect illustration of how Everton get a lot of good possession in key attacking areas but then lack the ability or the conviction to make the accurate final pass or strike on goal.

Tommy Carter
54 Posted 20/07/2019 at 12:58:20
@52 Jim. I think Silva knows what he is doing here.

Between Delph, Davies, Schneiderlin and Gomes we have 4 central midfield players who are all capable of the defensive side of the midfield game.

Sure they mightn't have the anticipation of Idrissa Gueye or the energy levels but very few players do. And other teams have been successful without having him in their team

I sense a tweak in the system with 2 deeper central midfield players, probably Delph and Gomes with Sigurdsson ahead.

Something like this:

Pickford
Coleman, Mina, Keane, Digne
Delph, Gomes
Sigurdsson
Richarlison, Bernard
Calvert-Lewin

David Pearl
55 Posted 20/07/2019 at 13:07:10
That's just replacing Gana with Delph, Tommy, a natural tweak because they are different people.

A tweak for me would be to drop Sigurdsson deeper and play 4-3-3. Narrow and compact and get another goalscorer into those front 3. We are not far away.

I don't think losing Gana will hinder us as much as if we don't improve the amount of goals we score.

John McFarlane Snr
56 Posted 20/07/2019 at 13:41:06
Hi Ray [20], I'm afraid that the game has changed so much since our younger days, it's almost alien to our generation. I agree entirely that the players and agents hold all the cards.

Abolishing the £20 maximum wage was the right thing to do, in my opinion, but new realistic figures should have been agreed, instead of these 'film star' sums that even less talented players receive.

I hope to see you at the Excelsior on August 17th, where we can put the world to rights.

Hi Laurie [24], I think that you're right to adopt the attitude of allowing dissatisfied players to leave clubs, as one 'bad apple' can upset the dressing room. In fairness to Idrissa Gueye, he has been a model professional as far as I'm concerned.

Hi Tony [33], I agree with your statement that no player is irreplaceable, and I echo your sentiment in wishing Idrissa Gueye all the best in his career. Obviously we hope to replace him with a player of equal ability or, better than that, superior ability. I hope to see you at the Excelsior, although I'm sure of how much Adam's ale is nowadays.

Jeff Armstrong
57 Posted 20/07/2019 at 13:47:58
Sky now reporting £26 million. If we let him go for that it's scandalous, less than Mings!

It should be around £40 million from a moneybags club like PSG – after all, it's them who've been making all the noise.

Jack Edwards
58 Posted 20/07/2019 at 14:34:38
Sad to see him go. I think we should get in a top replacement and get rid of Besic too.
Jim Bennings
59 Posted 20/07/2019 at 14:42:03
If we get done for £26 million then we might well just change our motto to “We bend over with our pants down”.

PSG are one of the world's richest clubs, flunked ridiculous money on a showpony in Neymar who I don't think I have ever seen have a great game despite the hype, yet we could let Gana go for buttons on today's market.

If PSG want him that much, it should be £40-50 million or tell them where to go!

Clearly they rate him as a Champions League player so let them pay a Champions League fee for him.

Alan McGuffog
60 Posted 20/07/2019 at 14:49:20
Spot on, Jim, but as we are still run with all the acumen of a Sunday League side, what do we expect?
Dave Abrahams
61 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:04:16
If Gana wants to go, then I think in fairness he has earned this move and Everton won't / shouldn't haggle too much over the price. But, with the pound decreasing quite a bit since January, then at least €40M should be expected in a transfer fee, and good luck to the lad in Paris.
Tony Abrahams
62 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:08:45
Why do you think we are being run like a Sunday League side Alan?

I would have to totally disagree with that analogy and would suggest that it's a long time since I didn't know what Everton are going to do next.

No way are Everton going to sell cheap imo, and I'm sure it's the same with Lookman, who doesn't look like he will be sold until Leipzig pay what Everton want. It's also interesting that Everton won't loan Henry back to Galatasary, and are only interested in selling him if he is to go back to that club.

I might be wrong, and although time is dragging on, and I'm desperate for us to sign players, I'm not as concerned as in previous years because I feel we are now in better and much more professional hands. Let's hope so!

Dale Rose
63 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:13:03
Very sorry to see him go. Best of luck to him.
Alan McGuffog
64 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:14:26
Hiya Tony... well, obviously not all Sunday outfits. Many are very well run indeed. Like you, Tony, I am ever 'opefull mind.
Paul Birmingham
65 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:19:28
I agree with All, who view that this if true will mean we have loads arguably our two best players, in that we won't see Zouma and if Gana does go, who will we replace him with?

Has Brands got a Plan A, B, C, maybe D up his sleeve? No decent goal scoring strikers and we will feel the pinch, but there's a couple of weeks of the window left...

Let's hope Brands will deliver in the next couple of weeks.

John McFarlane Snr
66 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:23:20
Hi Tony [61], I think the adage "you can't fool all of the people all of the time" springs to mind, substituting 'please' for 'fool.'

In my previous post to you it should have read, "I'm NOT sure how much Adam's ale is."

Brian Williams
67 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:26:26
I think some of us are being a bit too "easy going" with regard to the possible sale.

Gueye's been a very good player for us and he showed the professionalism I would expect (when he allegedly missed out on his move to PSG in January) from a person under contract for several more years to his present employer. His exemplary behaviour shouldn't change the fact that to the club he has a value, and unless that value is met by a club making a bid then there should be no sale.

It's a bit sentimental, IMO, to allow him to move on the cheap because it's a dream move. That charlatan Lukaku wanted his "dream move" to Utd and now wants another of his "dream moves" to Italy. This is business and it should be hard nosed. Gana's not at the very end of his career so it's not a swansong.

IMO it's a super power trying to steamroller a small provincial football club. Name the price! Give em a time limit like Rogers has done with McGuire! If the price isn't met within the time limit, no deal, end of.

He's our clubs employee and he's well paid for it. We shouldn't behave like a charity, we should be professional and keep the player if our valuation isn't met.

We're Everton, who the fuck are PSG?

😂

Tony Abrahams
68 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:34:33
I think it's impossible to please everyone in this ultra-modern, ultra-quick world John Mc, but patience is a virtue, so they say. I think I've given Everton more patience then anyone over the years, and that's not going to change anytime soon!

I won't be at the Excelsior unfortunately, but I hope you've read up on the Guinness by now though, mate, because it's gotta be better for you than that sugary orange juice, especially when Everton win!

Hugh Jenkins
69 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:43:00
As has been pointed out in several other posts the loss of Gana will be significant IF Silva and Brands intend to play the same style and formation as we have played previously.

However, if the plan is to play a different style / system, the loss may not be nearly as significant as we are fearing.

We shall have to wait and see.

Jay Harris
70 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:48:16
RAy #20.

I did qualify that with unless its silly money and I would make the case that all the players you mention went for "silly" money.

With Moshiri's money and a significant amount of time left on his contract we should not be bullied by a super rich no mark League 1 outfit.

David Pearl
71 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:52:01
Seems like it's a done deal. I'm hoping we might get a player too. Are the current remaining 4 centre mids good enough? I'd like a Dacoure type myself but Silva might think we are covered.

In which case it goes into the pot for a forward. Which one or 2 of the 10 linked players are we really in for?

Ray Roche
72 Posted 20/07/2019 at 15:55:32
Jay, silly money or not, they all wanted to leave and all got their way. The agents and players have far too much power.
Scott Goin
73 Posted 20/07/2019 at 16:06:34
I wish we were in a position to keep Gueye but we aren't. If he was younger, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep him. Unfortunately he'll be 30 in 2 months and his value is about to plummet if we don't sell now. You can never tell when a player's age will catch up to him.
John McFarlane Snr
74 Posted 20/07/2019 at 16:14:21
Him again, Tony [67], I totally agree that it's impossible to please everyone all the time, 'and it ever has been'. I trust the transfer negotiation team to get the best possible deal, and as I have no say in the matter, I tend not to be too concerned. Presumably they are hard-nosed business men, who will represent the club to the best of their ability/

I'm disappointed to learn that you won't be at the Excelsior for the get-together, and I will, the moment I finish this post, look up the sugar content of Guinness. If you're going on holiday, have a great time.

Hi Brian [66], hopefully you will have read my post to Tony [67]. I don't think that it's a case of supporters being 'too easy-going'; I think they realise that there's nothing they can do to influence the deal.

It appears to me, that fans recognise the importance of filling the gap that Idrissa Gueye's departure will create, and that they appreciate his contribution on the field of play, and wish him well for the future.

John Pierce
75 Posted 20/07/2019 at 16:19:50
This is another example of we’re we are as a club. Should we get more for Gana? Maybe. A bigger club is interested and simply put the player wants to go and we won’t get the money his skill merits.

We over pay for mediocre players and undersell because we simply do not have any clout in the world football order. Of course there will be the odd exception.

Is Brands the guy to circumnavigate this with risky, South American potential? Or deals for players out of contract later in their careers?

I hope this sale signals a chance of style as Gana was never a perfect fit under Silva. The team defended very well towards the end of the season as a unit and didn’t rely on Gana to run around become undisciplined, asa result he played better too.

Midfield is shaping up to be an interesting conundrum.

Paul Tran
76 Posted 20/07/2019 at 16:20:00
Best of luck to him. Great attitude after we stopped his move in January.

This is all about what we do with the money. In the absence of a City-style influx of money, it all rests on our ability to sell for good money and buy at better value.

Peter Gorman
77 Posted 20/07/2019 at 16:41:12
I'll miss the lad tbh, he is probably my favourite.

Would rather he didn't leave but like others, I reckon we'll survive and adapt.

The difference between our start and end of season form was startling, hopefully evidence that the wiles and ways of Silva have finally rooted themselves in the players consciousness. Bloody hope so, we played teams off the park, but Gana was a big part of that.

Ajay Gopal
78 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:09:21
I note that the BBC is reporting that 'Everton are ready to challenge Arsenal for the signing of Wilfred Zaha'. Now that would be an interesting signing! A forward line of Richarlison, Bernard and Zaha would be VERY tasty indeed.
Steve Ferns
79 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:12:19
@Jim #59 and others, I'm afraid you are showing complete ignorance of PSG's financial situation. You believe they have endless funds, and that's not necessarily untrue.

What you miss is that they used creative accounting to sign Neymar and Mbappe. They are now under serious pressure to rectify their financial position or they may be excluded from the Champions League, hence their determination to sell Neymar. They can't afford Gueye unless they do. And even if they do, they can't afford to pay big.

Steve Ferns
80 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:16:58
No chance Ajay, even if money was no object, we wouldn’t be allowed to sign Zaha, unless we decided to sign no one else. We have to sign a centre back at least. Silva said he wants 4 more players. If so, we won’t spend £80m on Zaha.
Andrew Ellams
81 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:20:18
Zaha is not what we need. The priority should be somebody to get on the end of all the balls that went across the box last year desperate for a natural finisher to tuck them away.
David Pearl
82 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:47:31
Ajay,

We are on a selling spree as much as a spending one. Media have picked up on Zaha coming to the Blues. It may be because we are interested or just because a large amount of money was bet on him joining us a few days ago. The odds went from 20/1 to 4s after the bet. Watch this space...

Derek Knox
83 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:57:20
Steve @ 80, I am not disputing that Zaha is a decent player but £80M, and as you rightly say there are more pressing positions to be addressed, so I too hope this one for Room 101.

I would encourage Arsenal to go for him which allegedly is his desired destination but am pretty sure they would baulk at that price. There is a method in my madness here that if the Arsenal do get Zaha at a cheaper price they will drop their interest in Everton Soares (Cebolinha), and we nip in and get him.

I would love to have that little wizard more than Neres or Malcolm, he reminds me, going back a bit, of Andre Arshavin, quick, left-footed, regular goal scorer and worrier of defences.

Martin Mason
84 Posted 20/07/2019 at 17:57:45
Palace are in the driving seat with Zaha and will ask for absolute top dollar for him which I don't believe would be in Everton's interest. The last thing we need to do is rush and I'd be happy with a 5-year development based on sensible buys.

I'm very happy with what the club is doing at the moment, the last thing they should do is be panicked into buying for the sake of it.

Steve Ferns
85 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:03:28
Derek, I worry that Everton Soares is a flash in the pan. As I understand it, he's had a breakout club season followed by impressive international tournament, even though he spent a lot of time on the bench. I'll bow to the Brazilian based Blues' superior knowledge if I'm wrong about that. He just seems a very expensive risk.

Neres, on the other hand, has been at it in Holland for a few years and impressed at the highest stage, the Champions League. Malcom is a little bit risky to me as he struggled when I saw him and thrived in France only. I can see what others like Sam see, and I'd be made up if we signed him. I just have doubts and you can't have them with the massive price tags.

Kieran Kinsella
86 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:04:22
I think the Zaha rumour is BS borne out of Chinese whispers. The reason I say this is that Arsenal made a bid for him a few weeks ago. Then last week I saw a few headlines along the lines of "Everton move scuppers Arsenal Zaha deal."

My first impression was that Everton were buying Zaha instead of Arsenal. However, upon reading the article it was actually a case that Arsenal were going to buy Everton Soares instead of buying Zaha. It had nothing to do with Everton FC.

The very next day though I started seeing these stories abut Everton buying Zaha. That is my theory I think it is all a mix-up.

Martin Mason
87 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:18:39
While I don't think he'd be a good buy (but who knows?) It is good to see that Everton are being linked now to very good players.
Eric Paul
88 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:28:37
Darren @22,

Spot on, I think Silva is of the same thinking by replacing a tackling machine with Delph.

If the rumours are true about Stones on loan, we will turn defence into attack a lot quicker, which will make sense of the reports of us tracking big money strikers.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

89 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:29:22
Everton Santos has been 'doing it' for longer than this alleged 'breakout' season.

It's two years on since his goals proved decisive in getting Gremio to the finals of the Copa de Libertadores (which they won) and the World Club championship (which they narrowly lost 1-0 to Christiano Ronaldo's Real Madrid).

If anyone has had a breakout season in the last 12 months, it is David Neres who has a nice YouTube reel, but in many games he is very peripheral.

At the recent Copa America, Neres was initially preferred to Everton in the opening two games. Everton took his place and ended as the tournament's top goal-scorer, also chipping in with assists. Neres never saw any more action.

Malcom is also a better bet than Neres as he performed to a consistently high level in France before his move to Barca. That his first season in Spain hasn't gone too well is no grounds for dismissing him, as three signings for Everton from there in the last 12 months demonstrate.

I'm not hearing ANY suggestion that we are in for Everton Santos, but whoever lands him is going to get an EXCELLENT player.

Mike Gaynes
90 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:30:46
Kieran #86, that cracks me up. And I would guess you're probably right.
Derek Knox
91 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:35:11
Martin, I tend to agree as I did with Steve about Zaha being a decent player, but I have watched games where he has been virtually anonymous. I know most players have days when they are not firing on all cylinders, but I have a feeling that Zaha would be a bit like Bolasie (only better) in being either outstanding or an also-ran more often than not.

A sign of positivity too as you say, that we are being linked to better players, whether we get them is another matter.

John G Davies
92 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:41:31
Eric 88,

What rumours regarding Stones mate?

Sam Hoare
93 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:45:59
Derek @91,

I think most wingers have days like that. Even Hazard had quiet days (against us!).

Zaha would be a top signing and would probably bring 15+ goals or assists to the team. He's in a different league to Bolasie who has always lacked end-product.

I should think our chances of signing Zaha are very slight, especially at £70m, but it's a nice idea.

Martin Mason
94 Posted 20/07/2019 at 18:49:52
Here's hoping Derek. I have a feeling that, at £50M, Saha would be a risk... but £80M? I really trust the club now though and believe that they have a real big-picture vision of who they need in which position with options and who they need to clear off the wage bill.

The club has been totally incompetent and unprofessional since Moyes left and Martinez's surge faltered but I have great faith in their professionalism now.

Stones on loan? Wow, where did that come from?

Brian Williams
95 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:03:58
Saha wouldn't be a risk at £50M — he would be a fucking complete brain seizure. The man's about 40 now, isn't he?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Peter Hopkins
96 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:13:23
Would anyone take Andy Carroll on a pay-as-you-play deal?
Joe McMahon
97 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:15:23
Peter, No – he's always injured and he's a complete tosser.
Mike Gaynes
98 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:17:48
Sure, Peter.

What sport did you have in mind?

Ping-pong?

Peter Hopkins
99 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:19:02
Joe, fair one. He is a tosser but he would offer something different from the bench.
John Hammond
100 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:35:35
Peter, you're right that he'd offer something different front the bench but how often would we actually see him on the bench!
John Hammond
101 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:41:40
Ajay, the Zaha rumour is from the gossip column on the BBC. The rumour comes from the Evening Standard who we all know are the bastion of football transfers news. In other words, BS!
Peter Hopkins
102 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:46:04
I just think on a free with pay-as-you-play, can't lose really, but hey ho, just a thought.
Derek Knox
103 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:53:51
Peter @ 96, Melchester Rovers are having a car-boot sale tomorrow, and a Coffee morning in the hope they can raise the necessary funds to secure Andy Carroll's services, and they are hoping also to get their own First Aid Room and copious amounts of Cotton Wool to wrap him up in. :-)

In other words, behave, Peter!

David Pearl
104 Posted 20/07/2019 at 19:57:12
I'd rather have Everton over Malcom over Neres. But in truth, if any of them had been consistent over a couple of seasons, other Champions League teams would be in for them.

We have a very interesting couple of weeks coming up that will shape our season's aspirations. I'm looking forward to this season more than any other l can remember (since the late 80s).

Mike G. Have you seen Carroll play ping-pong, is he any good? Or was that on the BBC gossip column?

Brian Williams
105 Posted 20/07/2019 at 20:00:01
Andy Carroll? Ffs!
Mike Gaynes
106 Posted 20/07/2019 at 20:01:10
David, I just figured with the long arms he could reach the ball without moving too much, which of course would suit his style.

I would have suggested darts, but given his usual accuracy it could produce extensive casualties among the spectators. Lotta puncture wounds.

David Pearl
107 Posted 20/07/2019 at 20:11:23
Genius Mike! Of course the less movement the less chance of pulling a hammy. He's probably in training as we speak. Maybe he could play doubles with Welbeck.

Brian Wilkinson
108 Posted 20/07/2019 at 20:14:14
As others have said, he's done a brilliant job for Everton. He has his heart set on PSG, so time to let the guy go with a heavy heart.

If we get close to £10M for McCarthy, then I personally would go for Doucoure.

Billy Roberts
109 Posted 20/07/2019 at 20:28:09
Andy Carroll, c'mon... let's at least have that one in reserve for when redshite laugh at our wasteful spending.

£30 million about 10 years ago!!! That was friggin bad.

Sam Hoare
110 Posted 20/07/2019 at 20:28:21
Brian @108, I think Doucore would be very overpriced and would not be a great fit with Gomes as both are better with the ball than without it. Capoue was much the better player at Watford last season.

There are some very interesting central midfielders out there, many who would cost less than Gueye. None of them can match what he does without the ball but some may grow into more rounded players. Could be a very busy few weeks.

Derek Knox
111 Posted 20/07/2019 at 20:35:33
Brian, apart from not being convinced about Doucoure, you do know that we have a fantastic rapport with Watford, :-) and because of the dealings we have had with them in the past.

I am sure they would give us a generous discount on any of their players we are interested in, furthermore they would gladly accept any deadwood, of which we have more than most, as part of any possible deal. 😂

Billy Roberts
112 Posted 20/07/2019 at 20:41:25
I realise this is a forum about Gueye but in the discussion of transfers and how Everton operate their business, it is interesting to note that European giants Inter Milan have offered only £54M (possibly €54) for Lukaku.

It was only a year or two ago that many on this site were bemoaning the fact we only got £75M (rising to £90M) and we'd been taken to the cleaners.

Any of them posters care to come on and admit that Everton in the circumstances got a fair price?

Darren Murphy
113 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:20:26
Love his engine...but £30 /40 million you can have him as the last time he scored or shot was 1999... only joking... Jordan would score more.

Not a scoring midfielder, with today's game without a decent top man we need our midfield to score loads, will we miss him? yes and I wish him well.

Top bloke and at the age where we should cash in... not Delph, we need a Doucouré type to hold us.

Andrew Ellams
114 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:20:32
Billy, to be fair, Inter's offer has been turned down.
Darren Murphy
115 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:26:03
Billy...any word on the striker or one that might actually do the business mate? We got the cash but seem reluctant to buy one.

People say M n M are doing a grand job etc and I think mm. replacing a striker isn't easy but ffs West Ham got one who may or may not deliver... wingers all day, Zouma this n that...It's not far away till we play Palace... and I'm wanting players to bed in...

Andy Crooks
116 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:38:43
Liverpool's signing of Andy Carroll was a time of pure joy. It was wonderful. The utterly magnificent waste of money on a carthorse still brings me pleasure. I hope Man Utd, or City, spend £80 million on Maguire. Fucking, Harry Maguire.
For anyone who doesn't get it, please, say it out loud. £ 80 million for Harry, fucking carthorse Maguire. Joy!!
Peter Hopkins
117 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:46:10
Sooo, is that a maybe for Andy Carroll??
Paul Hewitt
118 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:53:32
I could see us going for Carroll are Sturridge on deadline day, if we haven't signed a striker by then.
Billy Roberts
119 Posted 20/07/2019 at 21:55:31
Sorry Darren @115,

You seemed to have confused me with the Billy Roberts international football agent. I, like you, live in the world of hope for the best!!

I love having totally unrealistic aspirations for Everton, it's great, I've been like this since I was about 7 but it doesn't matter. It's better than being dead serious and disappointed.

Tony Abrahams
120 Posted 20/07/2019 at 22:00:42
We haven't heard anything about Welbeck for a few weeks, and I was wondering if he'd signed for anyone yet or if he was a free agent?
Brian Williams
121 Posted 20/07/2019 at 22:09:50
Paul#118.
Paul, stop it now. 😂😂😂😂😂
Brian Wilkinson
122 Posted 20/07/2019 at 22:15:19
Derek@111, I was referring to Palace stumping up the money for McCarthy and using the Gauye money to try and get a deal done for Dacoure.

I know Watford would hold firm, but money talks, so for me Dacoure seems the type of player that would be able to fill the gap.

I would prefer Gauye to stay, but his heart is set on Psg, be tough bargaining with Watford, but Dacoure would be a good deal, if we could get that over the line.

Andrew Keatley
123 Posted 20/07/2019 at 22:47:25
Andy Crooks (116) - Harry Maguire would walk into our team. He's no cart-horse. While he's certainly a big lad who could carry a cart or plough, when it comes to footballing centre-backs I'd say he's right up there with the best, certainly in the Premier League.

As for those hopeful about us signing Everton Soares, do you really think he's a better option than other players being linked - or does he get special preference because his name is Everton?

Andy Crooks
124 Posted 20/07/2019 at 23:22:31
Andrew, I disagree. I think Keane is better, Mina, much better and Holgate will be much, much better. I suppose it depends on what you want. Maguire reminds me of the centre-backs of old. Big, reliable and, more than anything, die for the cause, admired by the fans, with a Terry Butcher style bloodied bandage round his head.

I would rather have John Stones. I think we need to have the confidence to aspire to more.

Tommy Carter
125 Posted 20/07/2019 at 23:35:18
I have to say, I hope the Zaha rumours are unfounded. A good player but no more than that.

He’s robust, strong, powerful but for me is very little more than Walcott in terms of craft and footballing intelligence. They are both very direct, and hard to describe but they do things in straight lines. Give me a clever footballer any day of the week.

If he was going for £15-£20m then all day long. But he’s not. So no big spending on this guy please.

Si Smith
126 Posted 20/07/2019 at 23:57:53
Said it on a thread a few weeks ago, we won't see Gana in an Everton shirt again, and I stand by it.

Real shame as imo he's probably our best player; that said, we have other good players, we're linked with some exciting players, and I believe Moshiri will give us the funds to replace Gana, so it is what it is.

Good luck to the lad, he's given us everything when he's played. He has a massive opportunity at PSG to achieve honours, and he will get a huge pay hike.

I now wonder weather Schneiderlin will be kept and given his chance to sit and hold in the midfield as he did towards the end of last season, or if he too will be moved on and a new player will be brought in.

A massive massive 3 weeks of this window still to go, and I'd imagine were going to be one of the sides being spoken about a lot.

Simon Dalzell
127 Posted 21/07/2019 at 00:37:03
Harry Maguire a carthorse. I've heard it all now. Keane is better. Do me one.
Tommy Carter
128 Posted 21/07/2019 at 00:52:47
@127 Simon

Completely. Maguire is a fine player and has proved himself at International level, in a World Cup no less.

As did Yerry Mina. When all was lost for Colombia, they needed someone to step up and s use the moment against England in 2018. Yerry was that man, a colossal moment from a magnificent player. It takes a lot of guts to produce a moment like that.

Andy meanwhile believes Mason Holgate is a better player. I am a fan of Mason. I’d like to see our CB pairing as Holgate and Mina. But to say he is better than Yerry Mina, Not for me

Bill Watson
129 Posted 21/07/2019 at 02:08:52
Derek #103

Didn't Limp Along Leslie play for Melchester Rovers? Given our, seemingly, obsessional interest in wingers surely he must be in the frame?

Remember, you heard it here, first.

Jim Knightley
130 Posted 21/07/2019 at 02:26:56
I think Maguire is a better central defender than anyone we've got but he isn't near van Dijk in quality. The issue is that he is not as defensively disciplined as the best center-backs tend to be. I've got a couple of Leicester season ticket-holding friends who are infuriated by his forays forward. Vermaelen used to do the same for Arsenal and ultimately some recklessness does more harm than good.

Maguire's potential £80M fee illustrates the state of things. He is a very good (but not world-class) defender and has obvious flaws. At Man Utd, there would be a lot more scrutiny and I think he would be derided as an over expensively purchase. His fee is higher than it should be because he is English and Premier League based too.

Andrew Keatley
131 Posted 21/07/2019 at 03:40:26
Tommy (125) - Do you really think Zaha is "very little more than Walcott in terms of craft and footballing intelligence"? Zaha has pace, power, can go both ways, can successfully take on multiple defenders on his own, is not afraid to shoot on sight, and seems to have the sort of confidence in his own ability that means he backs himself on almost all occasions (which means that defenders are terrified of him).

Walcott is... well, I'm not going to annihilate him on here, but he's got pace. Not as much as he once had, but he has some. Beyond that...

Jerome Shields
132 Posted 21/07/2019 at 05:28:49
I would hope Gueye would stay but there is too much against it.

1. PG prepared to come back with a offer.

2. Gueye expressing a interest to go.

3. Gueye is 29 and his value could decrease.

4. Everton apparently pursuing a policy to have funds, before they
buy.

But having said that.

1. There has been no word from the player.

2. Silva threatened resignation if he was sold in January and has said
Delph is not a replacement.

3. The player has three more years on his contract and we know that
he will be motivated no matter what.

4. At 29 he will be at his prime for at least another two year.

5. At Everton he is sure of his future and a Star.

6. PG according to Steve are not the financial powerhouse we think.

7. Neymar may be a real hard sell.

Could all be a lazy Journalist story that got legs.

Mike Gaynes
133 Posted 21/07/2019 at 05:30:35
Andrew #131, as of one year ago Walcott was actually the fifth-fastest player in the world. No kidding.

Last August I read the published list ranking the world’s 40 fastest footballers by their actual measured top speed on the pitch. Bale was #1, Mbappe #3, Walcott #5 and the fastest in England. So obviously pace does not automatically translate to quality.

By the way, Zouma was ranked #28 overall, just ahead of Cristiano, Neymar and Douglas Costa. That’s some seriously speedy company.

Derek Knox
134 Posted 21/07/2019 at 05:40:02
Mike G, that's very interesting, where did Schneiderlin come in that list? Or didn't it go that detailed into negative speeds?
Peter Mills
135 Posted 21/07/2019 at 08:04:31
Sorry, Bill#129, Melchester Rovers had some fine players, notably Roy Race, Blackie Gray and Tubby Morton as reported in The Tiger, but never Limp Along Leslie whose exploits were, I think, detailed in The Hotspur.

Race is just the type of player we could have done with, but he’s never quite been the same since he had his foot amputated.

Tommy Carter
136 Posted 21/07/2019 at 08:40:35
@131 Andrew

By Zaha’s age (26 -27 in November). Walcott has already had a 20 goal season in him. Zaha has got nowhere near that.

I don’t doubt that Zaha is more robust and can wriggle through a number of players and beat them with his power. But I think he does beat them with power and not much artistry.

It’s what he does next that matters for me. Final product. It just isn’t good enough. I don’t see him creating many chances despite the wonderful positions his pace and power often puts him in.

Phil Lewis
137 Posted 21/07/2019 at 11:28:43
Assuming Gana will be leaving us, there is one man nobody seems to mention, who could seemlessly fill his position and he is already an Everton player. I am talking about Morgan Schneiderlin.
When he first appeared in a blue shirt he was a revelation. The fans immediately revered him and he became an automatic choice. Sadly for some reason he suffered a dreadful loss of form and confidence. For a considerable period he was unrecognisable from the player we saw in his first season for us. However anyone who saw his performances at the end of last season, when on at least one occasion he was deservedly man of the match, must surely agree that we witnessed something like the old Schneiderlin. He looked a class act once more.
Players lose form. With the crowd on their backs it is even harder to regain it. I admit that I became one of his harshest critics. But they don't lose their ability. Morgan was initially a class act, top drawer. I for one am prepared to see if he continues next season as he ended the last, giving polished, accomplished, constructive performances. If he does, we need look no further for Gana's replacement, should he leave.
Pat Kelly
138 Posted 21/07/2019 at 11:47:58
Echo reporting Everton interested in Juve's Blaise Matuidi as replacement for Gueye. He's only 32 ! More nonsense.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

139 Posted 21/07/2019 at 11:50:40
David @ 104.

"I'd rather have Everton over Malcom over Neres. But in truth, if any of them had been consistent over a couple of seasons, other Champions League teams would be in for them."

Putting aside the rather tenuous 'logic' that the measure of a player's worth is measured by how many CL club's are interested in him, you do realize that this time last year Roma - that season's CL semi-finalist - were on the verge of signing Malcolm from Bordeaux (fans were even awaiting his arrival at Rome airport) when his current club Barcelona poached the player at the 11th hour. Or don't either of them qualify as CL clubs to meet your stated criteria?

Andrew @ 123.

"As for those hopeful about us signing Everton Soares, do you really think he's a better option than other players being linked - or does he get special preference because his name is Everton?"

First up, there is absolutely NOTHING coming out of Brazil linking Everton the club to Everton the player.

Secondly, if you haven't done so already, seek out YT vids of the boy. He can play. It's not some airy-fairy romantic notion about his name you allude to that 'promotes' him above other players in the eyes of some.

Tom Bowers
140 Posted 21/07/2019 at 12:33:10
I think we have to believe that Silva knows what he wants in order to shape a team that he believes will be better than last season.
The problem is how much better will it be if the strike force is not good enough.
Player will come and go but it must be said that the existing bunch have not shown to be good enough an some will not be missed.
Gana has been a very busy player but not can be improved upon.
Macca, sadly has been plagued with injuries.
Getting good money for these players at their ages is good business especially if the likes of Gomes, Delph and Sneiderlin can get it together not to mention Tom Davies and Bernard.
Andrew Keatley
141 Posted 21/07/2019 at 13:21:52
Tommy (136) - We’re agreed on Zaha when it comes to end product - he sometimes manages to be eye-catching without it translating into goals and assists. But I think he is a player who could be a success here, while Walcott continues to flatter to deceive.

Jay (139) - Not sure why you capitalised the word “nothing”. I understand that you are a fan of Everton Soares and have been banging the drum for him on here - I’ve seen him play and I have been impressed - but it just seems a slightly romantic notion that of all the players out there the one we should go for just happens to be called Everton. It’s just an observation, and might not be a contributing factor for you, but possibly would be for others.

Laurie Hartley
142 Posted 21/07/2019 at 13:36:23
Poring through the transfer rumours over the past few weeks I have come to the conclusion that if we are to sign any forwards this season it will be Kean the lad from Juventus because he can play on either wing or through the middle. He would be my first pick.

A forward line of Bernard, Kean, and Richarlison would be a handful for any premier league defence. Throw DCL into the mix and that will leave a lot of options open to Silva if he wants to change things during a game.

As for Gana I haven’t got a clue who we could replace him with but if we are going to play the same style it is going to have to be someone with a terrific engine.,

Sam Hoare
143 Posted 21/07/2019 at 15:34:12
If sell him please Everton just buy Sangare. Been banging this drum for a while but really think he could be the player to really make our midfield. Big, pretty fast, tackles almost as much as Gueye, passes forward more than Gomes and can carry the ball.

We should all want this player. Considerably better option that Toussart in my opinion: Link

Don Alexander
144 Posted 21/07/2019 at 16:14:40
Sam (#143), I know hi-lite reels don't cover every aspect but given Sangare is just an inch shorter that Fellaini do you have any insight why he's not scored more than two goals? I'd have thought he'd relish getting on the end of dead-ball crosses, and his hi-lites indicate his willingness to run with the ball.
Mike Gaynes
145 Posted 21/07/2019 at 16:22:03
Sam, it's interesting how all the transfer talk around him has gone quiet the last month or so. Can't imagine Toulouse has any hopes of keeping him, but the rumor machine has shut down.
Sam Hoare
146 Posted 21/07/2019 at 16:59:05
Don@144 Sangare is a more defensive player than Sangare or has been so far. He’s also still very young and may not have worked out how best to use his height. Plus Toulouse were a pretty poor team last year so probably did not have a vast amount of set pieces.

Mike@145 yes, I think he represents too big a risk for some of the bigger teams but I’ll be surprised if he is not snapped up by someone. Really hope it’s us!

If Gueye goes I’ll be a bit gutted, but if he is replaced by Sangare then I’ll be content enough. If he is joined by Zouma, Malcom/Neres and Leao/Kean then I will be extremely excited at the beginnings of a team with serious potential!

My dream team right now is:

Pickford
Coleman Mina Zouma Digne
Gomes Sangare
Malcom Sigurdsson Richarlison
Leao

With the likes of DCL, Bernard, Delph and Keane on the bench that would be a top 6 squad in my eyes, if not this season then certainly next.

Chris Clark
147 Posted 21/07/2019 at 17:15:53
If this rumour is to be believed then we may have Kurt back. Fingers crossed. https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2019/07/zouma-set-to-hand-in-transfer-request-to-push-through-everton-move/
Andy Crooks
148 Posted 21/07/2019 at 17:48:22
Yeah,Simon #127,he is carthorse, slow,really,really slow; without the remotest inkling of how to turn defence into attack. The type of centre half beloved by those who just love a guy who will put his head in the danger zone( what have they to lose). Keane is infinitely superior. He was in a shite team and got better. He will be a star next season.
£80 million for Maguire? Do you think so,Simon? Duffy is better.
Mike Gaynes
149 Posted 21/07/2019 at 17:51:46
Ah, Andy, you were on such a roll there... until you got to that last line.
Chris Gould
150 Posted 21/07/2019 at 18:12:02
Duffy is better than Maguire?! That's an opinion you share with absolutely nobody else in the entire world. Probably not even Duffy's Mum.
John Pierce
151 Posted 21/07/2019 at 18:27:53
It’s pretty clear to me if we want players in we have to sell Gana. Or any other player we can get a fee for; Lookman, JMac etc.
Our financial position is going to be very tight, if it isn’t already. Stadium, FFP etc.

Other clubs including PSG know that and will low ball us almost indefinitely. PSG do not care about FFP, they have influence far beyond any leverage we have. They do not care if they break the rules. Other mega clubs are the same they do what needs to be done knowing the consequences are less than the reward.

Will Everton break FFP to move the club forward? That’s the real question.

Tony McNulty
152 Posted 21/07/2019 at 18:28:11
Andrew Keatley (131 & 141)

I agree absolutely with your comments on Zaha. Yet he clearly doesn’t impress everyone on here.

I agree the end product could be better but I think with a forward line of himself, Richarlison and A. N. Other (perhaps DCL, but hopefully a more prolific scorer), all three would score more goals. Defenders would have their hands full.

One worry would be the amount of time he spends on his arse. Richarlison already has that role in our team.

However I suspect we are both whistling Dixie on this one: it appears he is an Arsenal fan; he wants CL football; and Arsenal want him.

Chris Leyland
153 Posted 21/07/2019 at 18:33:47
Duffy is better than Maguire 😂😂😂😂
Kieran Kinsella
154 Posted 21/07/2019 at 18:36:12
Andy Crooks

I appreciate your fanatical loyalty to Everton and you’re one of the most passionate blues on here. But I think your blue tinted specs are misleading you with regards to Duffy

Andy Crooks
155 Posted 21/07/2019 at 18:56:05
I swear to God, I pondered over that last sentence... and then hit submit. Okay, perhaps I might be, maybe, err... wrong.
Martin Mason
156 Posted 21/07/2019 at 19:08:16
It isn't the end of the world if we lose Gana, sad though it will be. I mean, every other club in the world manages without him. What we have to do is change our tactics to manage the loss.

It is not impossible that losing Gueye will make us a better team in that we will have to play in a manner that will mitigate his absence. Gueye is a crutch that Everton badly needs now but we will never run until we throw the crutch away.

He is history now and will have proven to be a massive success for the club in every way. Onward and upward post-Gueye and the best of wishes to this lovely guy.

Mike Gaynes
157 Posted 21/07/2019 at 19:11:50
I understand, Andy. It's a reflex. You can't help it.
Peter Mills
158 Posted 21/07/2019 at 20:12:04
Andy, mate #148 & #155, you are being unnecessarily harsh on yourself. There is not much wrong with your last sentence.

Just the last word!

Simon Dalzell
159 Posted 21/07/2019 at 20:53:20
Andy, I agree he's not worth £80 million, but 'carthorse' is ridiculous.
Christy Ring
160 Posted 21/07/2019 at 23:21:48
Phil Lewis @137, are you for real, Schneiderlin to replace Gueye, are you Mike Walker in disguise, haven't a clue
Andrew Dempsey
161 Posted 22/07/2019 at 02:03:57
Am I missing something? Why have we signed Delph, exactly? To sit on the bench so Gueye's ‘replacement' can play alongside Gomes?

Delph is Gana's replacement. He will play every game if fit. He's clearly a leader and a great character, full of energy on and off the pitch. He's not come here to hardly play, like at Man City.

Like someone said above, our style will change, that's all. Delph and Gomes is a more attack-minded set-up, and I'm excited about it. Yes, we may be more exposed, and maybe it won't even work, but I'm not worried. Delph (if he stays fit) will be the Captain by the end of the season.

I can't predict the future by the way, I'm just not worried about it. I'm not worried about anything with EFC, I'm confident that Marcel & Marco know what they're doing, and I feel like they're building a vibrant, pacy team, one that we've all been waiting for, and deserve.

Alan J Thompson
162 Posted 22/07/2019 at 07:41:53
I'm just surprised that we haven't seen more of the Baines or Coleman into a Lamm style midfield position that a lot were keen on. Both can shoot and tackle but one is supposed to be cover and the other had his cover loaned out.

Delph it is then and not enough room on the bench for any of the kids: Lössl, Davies, a central defender, Schneiderlin, Tosun or one of the young strikers we are linked with, Walcott. I suppose there may be room for one but, no, give it to Oumar.

Phil Lewis
163 Posted 22/07/2019 at 09:22:30
Christy #160,

Do you actually go to the game? If so, weren't you impressed by Schneiderlin's last few appearances? Everybody around me in the Gwladys Street was pleasantly surprised by his performances.

If you read my post, I stated that his form for a long time was dreadful and I was his harshest critic. But I've supported Everton long enough (60 years) to know that the crowd are often like sheep. They will all get on a player's back regardless of his displays, equally they will sing certain players praises when they clearly don't deserve selection.

I try to give praise where it's due. I imagine you are the type of 'fan' who goes with the flow and criticises players before a ball is even kicked. I ask again, were you at Goodison for Schneiderlin's last few games last season?

Sam Hoare
164 Posted 22/07/2019 at 09:22:42
Andrew @161, yes, you missed the bit where Silva himself said explicitly that Delph is not Gueye's replacement.

I'm sure if Gueye goes then it will improve Delph's chances of getting a starting place but I think the City man was bought to add flexibility to the midfield and indeed rest of the squad. His skillset is very different to Gueye's.

I expect if we sell Gueye to bring in another midfielder but it maybe someone younger (like Sangare hopefully) who will need time to adjust to the league and learn Silva's system. Delph could probably fill in in the meantime.

Brian Williams
165 Posted 22/07/2019 at 09:28:32
Phil #163.

I was (at Goodison for all last season's games) and I'm afraid making a great effort in the last few doesn't make up for stinking the place out over a much longer period of time, IMO.

He did improve, can't argue with that, but I'll quote Sean Dyche's mantra "Minimum requirement is maximum effort" and it's difficult to say that Schneiderlin has done that often enough.

I wondered whether the improvement was because he was playing for a move.

Kevin Prytherch
166 Posted 22/07/2019 at 09:55:00
Brian, Phil, Christy - I believe Schneiderlin flourished towards the end of the season largely due to the tweak in formation. He can't play as a midfield 2, which is what we were effectively playing for a while with 2 wingers and an extremely advanced number 10.

Towards the end of the season, we had the wingers tucking in as midfielders when we didn't have the ball. This allowed Schneiderlin to flourish again.

He's a good player who looks lazy, he has to play in a midfield that provides cover for his inefficiencies though. It's also no coincidence that Gueye's upturn in form came after this tactical tweak when he was afforded more cover.

I'm not saying that Schneiderlin can be a replacement for Gueye; however, I also wouldn't write him off after a year of playing in a formation that blatantly doesn't suit him and exposes him.

Phil Lewis
167 Posted 22/07/2019 at 09:55:59
Brian #165,

All I was trying to say in both posts Brian, was if (and I realise it is a big 'if') Schneiderlin performs as well as he did when he first came to the club and as he demonstrated at the end of last season, then he would certainly be worth persisting with in a defensive midfield role. Should Gana leave, the money could be spent on a goalscorer.

As I said in my first post, players can lose form for long periods, but they don't lose their ability. Schneiderlin is still young enough and the signs were encouraging in his last few games. It's a new season, let's all keep an open mind and give the man a chance to prove his worth.

Phil Lewis
168 Posted 22/07/2019 at 10:02:00
Kevin #166,
Very interesting analysis. I'm inclined to completely agree with your comments. Gueye was definitely freed by Schneiderlin's solid displays in those games. All I'm saying is let's see if he can continue in that form.
Andrew Ellams
169 Posted 22/07/2019 at 10:06:01
Whilst I agree Schneiderlin improved at the end of the season and Silva's tweaking of the midfield played a big part his biggest weakness is still his attitude and it's a big ask for the team to potentially carry somebody like that in such a vital position.
Aidan Wade
170 Posted 22/07/2019 at 10:57:41
Having Gueye in the team is like having a few extra players. He can pack the midfield on his own. He's probably worth 6-9 points in the season but can't stand in the way of a move to PSG and a massive payday.

Another player's performances might have dipped when the move was rejected at Christmas, Idrissa got better - seemed like it boosted his confidence.

Marc Hints
171 Posted 22/07/2019 at 11:09:32
I don't know about you guys but I am starting to feel a little panic now about the team for the season. There is only just over two weeks of the transfer window and, a couple of more days after, our first match of the season. Our squad is looking a bit thin on the ground.

As Marco has been using Under-23 players in pre-season games, is this what we have to go forward to the new season as cover/backup? If we get injuries to key players, we are going to struggle again.

Sam Hoare
172 Posted 22/07/2019 at 11:30:57
Kevin @166, yes Schneiderlin is at his best when he is asked to stay in position in front of the back four, make some tackles and distribute the ball quickly. Gueye is at his best when he has licence to roam, to use his instincts to disrupt play and intercept the ball whenever possible.

Silva got the best out of both of them last season by playing Schneiderlin sitting at 6 and giving Gueye more of a box-to-box role as an 8.

Gomes can play with either as he can either sit or roam, though when roaming, he does not have the athleticism and disruptive instincts that Gueye has. Few do.

Both Gomes and Delph could play potentially as a 6 or an 8 which gives us flexibility but Schneiderlin can only play as a 6.

Will be interesting to see what midfield blend Silva goes for this season, especially if Gueye leaves as he has been our best central midfielder in the last 4 years in my opinion.

David Cash
173 Posted 22/07/2019 at 11:41:54
John post 92.

Let it go mate. You'll feel so much better

Jerome Shields
174 Posted 23/07/2019 at 14:02:44
Gueye was discovered and brought to Everton by Steve Walsh. Walsh had discovered Kante in his previous position, a similar type of player. Such players are not easily identified and discovered.
Iain Johnston
175 Posted 23/07/2019 at 15:51:10
Jerome#174 Walsh has been given far too much credit for work done by other people. if he'd been as successful at Chelsea as all the hype suggests why on earth would you leave for a 2nd tier club?

He didn't discover Gana he was having a high profile career at Lille playing in the Champions League before Villa signed him for about £10m to replace Delph. We got him for £7m due to his relegation release clause.

As for Walsh's other 'major' discoveries, I think Gullit already knew of Zola's talents as he did Vialli's. Does anyone actually believe he had anything to do with the signing of Drogba, one of the most high profile strikers in Europe at the time?

Kanté? Ranieri had him scouted in 2013/14 at Monaco as part of Robolovlev's idea of teaming up younger players with established ones and would probably have signed him there for the beginning of the 14/15 season if his contract had been renewed. In 2015 He signed for Leicester less than a month after Ranieri did.
Walsh wasn't even looking at Mahrez-who was earlier wanted by PSG, Marseille & Lyon. He was interested in Mendy and didn't even know about him.

Vardy? There was about 6 Championship clubs wanting him, Fleetwood had already knocked back very substantial offers from Reading & Blackpool so he wasn't unknown, he went to Leicester because they were the only club willing to pay through the nose for him.
All of the players he so called found were already making headlines one way or another.

Martin Mason
176 Posted 23/07/2019 at 17:07:43
Iain, very informative post. Thanks
Tommy Carter
177 Posted 23/07/2019 at 17:20:28
Iain. Informative indeed. Nobody cited within but interesting analysis nonetheless.

I am not a huge fan of Steve Walsh at all. He had one chance with us and blew it.

But the bottom line is, of all the players you mention. They ended up nowhere else except the club Walsh was at.

Credit where it is due.

I have some knowledge of the inner workings of a ‘scout’. Particularly at the highest level of the game. Their job is not just to identify talent. Most people can do that.

A big part of their job is to make the deal happen. And you list countless examples above of when Walsh did this.

Denis Richardson
178 Posted 23/07/2019 at 19:06:51
Mm. Clock ticking and with no current news about us being in negotiations to sign anyone/agree personal terms, id be surprise if we actually sign anyone before the weekend so cutting it close to have a new striker ready to play from the off.
Mike Gaynes
179 Posted 23/07/2019 at 19:39:08
Denis, this is Everton. Club policy is that all signings are conducted only in the final 15 minutes of the window.

Check back around 4:45 on 8 August.

James Marshall
180 Posted 23/07/2019 at 21:40:05
French press saying we've agreed to sell him to PSG (I posted this on the Lookman thread before I saw this one)
Michael Lynch
181 Posted 23/07/2019 at 22:40:32
With the exception of Gomes going permanent, this transfer window has been a bit shit for the fans so far. I really hope Brands and Silva have got their ducks in a row for some incoming players, otherwise we're looking fucked. It's all outgoings so far - which we expected, but I think most of us expected a few more signings by this point of the window, didn't we? Or is it just me?
Tom Bowers
182 Posted 23/07/2019 at 22:58:11
There is no excuse for not going after the players who may make a difference now that all the competitions are done with.
However' we are presuming that Silva has his eye on more strength and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he didn't.
Everton have a big payroll and some players need to be sent packing or loaned out again.
We all fear that the current squad is still not good enough despite Gomes signing permanent and Delph coming in and quite rightly so as the offensive department is weak.
Gueye and Lookman are set to go and unless there is a bigger output goals-wise from DCL, Tosun, Niasse, Walcott or Siggy then it will be more of the same from last season.
There just seems to be more criteria put on a new stadium than having a top team to put in it.
Jerome Shields
183 Posted 23/07/2019 at 23:27:31
Iain#175

Gueye and Kante both came to prominence at Clubs where Walsh was responsible for their recruitment. If Gueye is sold it will be at a huge profiit, as was Kante. Other Clubs didn't spot these bargains.

I agree that he was fortunate in who he worked with prior to Everton. Walsh was way over his head as Director of Football at Everton and clearly was not fit it strong enough to cope with Kenwright and Colman. Supporting the appointment of Big Sam just showed how out of his depth he was.

Brands is streets ahead, but he needs his scouting system to come up with another Gueye. I doubt if any of the scouts are as good as Walsh.

I hope Gueye stays, unlike others I don't think it will work out as a dream move in practice.

Brian Williams
184 Posted 23/07/2019 at 23:28:44
Silva stated clearly that in addition to Zouma (or a.n.other as it looks like turning out) he was looking for another three additions.
Calm down there's two weeks to go.
Is it not always like this? Do people not remember, not learn?
William Gall
185 Posted 23/07/2019 at 23:29:59
15 min to go before the close of the transfer window with Everton saying they have got a deal with a top class striker, and bungling Bill comes on and says the deal has collapsed, as the player could not agree with the toilet paper in the dressing room. Once again the cry only ot Everton.
Bill Watson
186 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:07:38
Why all the panic? Work is continuing in selling, or loaning out, the deadwood and some of the younger players and reducing the strain on the wage bill.

There's still over two weeks of the transfer window remaining; plenty of time to ship a few more out and bring fresh faces in.

Bill Watson
187 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:07:38
Why all the panic? Work is continuing in selling, or loaning out, the deadwood and some of the younger players and reducing the strain on the wage bill.

There's still over two weeks of the transfer window remaining; plenty of time to ship a few more out and bring fresh faces in.

Bill Watson
188 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:07:38
Why all the panic? Work is continuing in selling, or loaning out, the deadwood and some of the younger players and reducing the strain on the wage bill.

There's still over two weeks of the transfer window remaining; plenty of time to ship a few more out and bring fresh faces in.

Bill Watson
189 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:07:38
Why all the panic? Work is continuing in selling, or loaning out, the deadwood and some of the younger players and reducing the strain on the wage bill.

There's still over two weeks of the transfer window remaining; plenty of time to ship a few more out and bring fresh faces in.

Bill Watson
190 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:07:39
Why all the panic? Work is continuing in selling, or loaning out, the deadwood and some of the younger players and reducing the strain on the wage bill.

There's still over two weeks of the transfer window remaining; plenty of time to ship a few more out and bring fresh faces in.

Mike Gaynes
191 Posted 24/07/2019 at 00:11:00
Bill, I'll bring over some tranquilizers for your mouse.
Christy Ring
192 Posted 23/07/2019 at 00:12:28
We can't afford to lose Gueye going forward, he's irreplaceable, he's our Fernandinho, and Phil Lewis, to say Schneiderlin can do the same job ?? You've lost me. If the deal with PSG is done, then Silva and Brands have to have a replacement lined up.
Vijay Nair
193 Posted 24/07/2019 at 00:43:58
Bill(190), two weeks isn't a hell of a lot of time to get some new players in and have them in the right shape for the start of the season. Hence the panic.

Silva has said that he ideally would like to get most of his new signings in prior to the end of July, so he has enough time to work with them before the start of the season. I'm hopeful but not holding my breath.

Steve Carse
194 Posted 24/07/2019 at 00:57:01
Tom (182), bit unfair to be demanding more goals next season from Sigurdsson isn't it? His goal tally last season was close to what the others you mention managed in total between them.
Si Cooper
195 Posted 24/07/2019 at 02:02:13
Vijay, Silva and Brands didn’t set the deadline. They are having to contend with the extended seasons for all the players involved in the Copa America and Alcon, as well as the later closing windows for the rest of the big European leagues.
In previous years players have been brought in a couple of weeks after the season started. Any targets will be likely to be getting fit for the season on much the same schedule as the majority.
With all these factors it would have been miraculous to have brought in all our targets by now and having them beavering away at Finch Farm.
Alan McGuffog
196 Posted 24/07/2019 at 05:47:54
Levy, according to Telegraph, is looking for £40 million for 30 year old Alderweireld. If so, it puts all this stuff about Gueye being on borrowed time at the ripe old age of 29 and we should be grateful for whatever PSG will give us, into context, no ?
Liam Reilly
197 Posted 24/07/2019 at 09:55:38
I like Gana, but he signed a very lucrative contract with Everton which he should honor unless the price is agreeable for the club.

PSG will very likely have the Neymar money burning a hole in their considerable wallet shortly after our transfer window has closed so tell them it's 50M or no deal.

Worst case is we are left with an extremely good player and no doubt they'll be back in Dec.

Jerome Shields
198 Posted 24/07/2019 at 12:03:53
Last season Moshiri opened his wallet round the start of August. The system that seems to be worked on is:

1. Academy type signing first

2. Try ing to offload deadwood at value

3. Failing this loan out players to reduce costs.

4. Buy in value players

5. Sell value players.

6. Buy in big ticket players with potential (last year, Moshiri released
funds at this stage).

The next week is critical because the amount of funds needed have to be clear, so that Moshiri can decide whether he is going to release funds or not.

I did not expect that Everton would sign another striker. They are more likely to sign a midfielder and a defender.

Daniel A Johnson
199 Posted 24/07/2019 at 13:20:24
I guess two things signing late means you can save nearly millions in wasted wages. Do we really need to foot multiple £100k a week wages for overseas training drills, meaningless friendlies and running camps?

Also the clubs owning the players in demand can just wait till the better offer comes in, isn't this what happened with mina and Gomes last season? Barca had an offer for Mina from us and we're just waiting to see if Man Utd would up it?

James Stewart
200 Posted 24/07/2019 at 15:10:59
28m is an utter disgrace if true! Mugged off by the world's stupidest club, only Everton!
Denis Richardson
201 Posted 24/07/2019 at 15:33:54
Mike 179 - agree we've aways been a bit lastminute.com re transfers. Think in the past this was linked to when the sky cash was actually paid and we'd then need to refinance some dodgy loan in the BVI. However, had hoped things had changed since then.

I seem to fall for the old 'we've identified our targets early' line every year. Obviously a big difference between 'identified' and 'signed'.

Transfer window shuts two weeks tomorrow, 5pm. There isn't even a strong rumour at the moment, never mind us being in negotiations. Will see what rabbits are pulled out in the coming days.

Tick tock...

Adam Scott
202 Posted 24/07/2019 at 15:38:08
Transfers at Everton are always going to be late. Generally as if we are looking for players to improve us, they won’t commit to Everton early in the window. These are the sort of players who probably aspire to a top 4 team, but may drop if no offer is forthcoming.

On the transfer fee, it’s fair enough. Yeah, Tottenham value him at £40m. Really that’s a tool to essentially say he isn’t for sale isn’t it?

Sam Hoare
203 Posted 24/07/2019 at 16:04:11
If true £28m is not a great price for a top class midfielder but he's not a glamorous name and will be 30 in a month. I'd hope it gets nearer to £35 with some realistic clauses.

He will be very hard to replace and I suspect that Gomes' defensive deficiencies will be shown up in his absence. In fact both Siggy and Gomes make less tackles/interceptions than they might and that is why we have struggled often in Gueye's absence. Will be interesting to see which midfield blend Silva goes with next year but if he wants to continue playing a central triangle with Siggy and Gomes then the third player better have some awesome defensive capabilities like Gana Gueye (if he leaves).

David Pearl
204 Posted 24/07/2019 at 16:06:37
Alan, 196.
Alderweireld has a release clause set at £25m that runs out tomorrow at 5pm so if he doesn’t go before then I doubt he will be leaving them.

As for Gana, if we have swapped him and McCarthy for Delph and Gomes that’s probably an improvement. If we don’t buy another midfielder we need a confident Schneiderlin and Tom Davies to kick on and have a good year.

We will be taking a chance of hitting the ground running bringing players in so late. This time around though we start from a better starting place than last season.

Alan J Thompson
205 Posted 24/07/2019 at 16:16:18
I'm not sure that too many of you understand how difficult the transfer business is, I mean, has anyone found the fax paper yet or indeed been taxed with organizing the search?
James Marshall
206 Posted 24/07/2019 at 16:17:06
The price is lower because PSG are fully aware, as with the rest of the world, that Gana wants to play for them.
Joe Bibb
207 Posted 24/07/2019 at 16:29:41
How many goals did he score for us? How many assists was he involved in?
James Stewart
208 Posted 24/07/2019 at 17:02:11
@206 irrelevant he is under long term contract here. Same with Zaha etc. Selling club holds all the cards. Should be £40M absolute minimum. Gueye has at least 4 years left at the top.
Sam Hoare
209 Posted 24/07/2019 at 17:23:34
James@206, I suspect that he strongly wanted to go in January. And that Brands/Silva said if he gave his all rest of the season they would not block the move if it came around again.

I agree the fee should be higher (I think £35m would be reasonable) but it’s hard if the player is set on a move and at 30 he may not get this opportunity again. You can keep a player against his well for some time but not forever I think as levels and morale drop and it doesn’t help anyone.

Tony Abrahams
210 Posted 24/07/2019 at 20:36:02
I like Gueye, I think he improved under Silva, but that is a very serious question being asked by Joe Bibb though, although I do think we might miss his prodigious work-rate.
Brian Williams
211 Posted 24/07/2019 at 20:41:41
It's not every players job to provide assists or score goals. Think it's a little unfair to look at that part of his game in isolation and as a question of his overall worth in the team.
Frank Wade
212 Posted 24/07/2019 at 22:27:06
Joe 207, The more relevant questions

1. How many goals did he stop by last ditch tackles ?

2. How many times did he win possession back from an attacking team likely to score a goal against us ?

3. How many of our possessions/plays did he initiate via a tackle or interception ?

4. How many times did he cover an opposition player and force him to play a ball back or sideways ?

5. How much would we have to pay to replace his all round ability ?

Joe Bibb
213 Posted 29/07/2019 at 16:37:46
Frank Wade, the simple answer to your questions is I don't know and neither do you or anyone else I presume. But if he was a brilliant as you suggest how come we didn't get into Europe?
Steve Ferns
214 Posted 30/07/2019 at 09:18:30
The transfer is now confirmed on the official site. Sad to see him go, but hope we can change the formation slightly to make us more effective as a team. It'll be interesting to see who we get to replace him, supposedly the guy from Mainz or Lamina of Southampton.
Tony Shelby
215 Posted 30/07/2019 at 09:28:51
We all knew that this was going to happen but I'm surprised it's been concluded before we've announced a few new signings.

Fingers-crossed that we get some confidence building announcements over the next few days.

Gareth Bale would be good...

James Marshall
216 Posted 30/07/2019 at 09:33:27
Joe@213

No matter how good Gana was, and nobody can question how good he was because he was very good, our problem was not a defensive one, nor was it a problem with us getting the ball back, or stopping attacks - our glaring problem was putting the round thing in the square thing.

We need firepower in an attacking sense. End of story.

Jimmy Hogan
217 Posted 30/07/2019 at 09:34:04
Big profit on him. What with Gueye, Keane and Pickford, it's beginning to look like not all Steve Walsh's signings were turkeys.
Mike Allison
218 Posted 30/07/2019 at 09:35:36
There seem to be three candidates at the moment, Gbamin, Lemina and Bakayoko. None of them will come straight in and be as good as Gana, but they’re all good players.

We also have a certain Scottish Irishman at the club with most of the attributes to do Gana’s job; is it really impossible to coach McCarthy into being a dynamic ball-winner? Perhaps they feel he’s not recovered sufficiently from his injuries. Delph will also play a role in that midfield.

Brian Harrison
219 Posted 30/07/2019 at 10:06:12
Gana has finally gone to PSG, last year he won more tackles than any other player in the Premier league, so a hard act to replace. with less than 2 weeks to go till the window shuts we are considerably weaker than we were last season.

Despite Silva and Brands saying at the end of the season they had identified their targets for this season and wouldn't leave it as late as last season to get players in. So if were to believe that how come we still havent got a striker or 2 and was Zaha amongst the targets, as we only seemed to enter the race when Arsenal offered £40 million.

Last season we lacked goals and I see nothing that as yet has improved that situation. I don't see an ageing Walcott increasing his goal tally or Bernard turning into a 10 goal a season player or DCL becoming a regular scorer. Tosun and Niasse shouldnt be near the first team squad, as they are not good enough. Seems we pay Harrods money for Lidl quality, then wonder why we have trouble moving players on when eventually the penny drops they werent good enough in the first place.

Joe Bibb
220 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:34:03
James Marshall @ 216 Steven Gerard & Frank Lampard were goal scoring midfielders and great defenders, Gana was neither.

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