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Targets left fuming as moves to Everton collapsed

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Both Wilfried Zaha and Marcos Rojo are reported to be furious with their respective clubs after they refused to sanction potential deadline-day transfers to Everton.

Zaha was the subject of a £52m offer from the Blues that was lodged on 28th July and swiftly rejected by Crystal Palace who had initially slapped a £100m price tag on the winger's head and had already knocked back a £40m bid from Arsenal.

While Everton didn't end up submitting another formal bid, despite media reports that they had offered £70m plus Cenk Tosun and James McCarthy as make-weights, MailSport suggest they had indicated informally to the Selhurst Park hierarchy that they were prepared to go as high as £60m.

Palace refused to deal with the Blues further and, the Mail contend based on insider information, they started avoiding calls from Everton in a bid to see out the transfer deadline.

That left Zaha fuming that the Eagles had reneged on an agreement to let him go this year if a suitable offer came in for him.

Meanwhile, Rojo was the subject of an approach from Everton to sign him on a season-long loan, an arrangement that, according to The Mirror Manchester United were happy to agree to on Wednesday evening but by deadline day had changed their minds, insisting then on a cash deal.

Everton had no interest in buying the Argentine outright and pulled out of talks, leaving Rojo angry with his club for moving the goalposts and denying him a chance at first-team football this season, the chances of which were made significantly less like at Old Trafford following the signing of Harry Maguire from Leicester.



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Ian Linn
1 Posted 09/08/2019 at 01:48:39
Dodged two bullets there, we're better off without either of them
Bill Watson
2 Posted 09/08/2019 at 04:27:34
Ian; fully agree. Zaha is all bells and whistles with little end product.

Rojo may have been a useful loan, as cover, but I think the club was correct in jibbing at a full transfer

Gibson looked useful, in some of the pre season games, and would benefit in being introduced as a sub if a game is safe.

James Byrne
3 Posted 09/08/2019 at 05:31:23
I woke up today happy we didn't buy Zaha. The lad just isn't in the Everton mold IMHO. I think the valuation of 60 million was about right, so anything over that was a fantasy.

It will be great to travel to Palace at the weekend and work it up them!

COYB

Jason Broome
4 Posted 09/08/2019 at 06:01:00
Although I still believe that the arrival of Zaha would have complimented what we are building I'm now warming to Iwobi.

His stats mirror Zaha's at the same age, he's quick, skillfull and needs game time and responsibility to enhance his confidence. He also has a level head. His arrival might be a blessing in disguise for him and us.

Rojo can jump up and down with his hair on fire for all I care. Hell No! I don't like this type of player.

Mina needs to show why we paid so much for him whilst Lewis Gibson and Holgate need to break through.

Mina will either be a hit or 'back one out' and stink up the joint. Either way the fans will let him know.

Brendan Fox
5 Posted 09/08/2019 at 06:43:30
If both Zaha and Rojo have the arsehole because deals fell through then their respective clubs have an unhappy camper in their squads who could potentially cause some unrest, shame that if that happens!

I'm glad the Rojo deal didn't come off as he's a carthorse and Zaha was vastly overvalued by Palace considering as their talisman he only managed to score 10 in 34 games last season and has not scored over 10 for Palace in any Premier League season which is not a good record for a supposedly £80m+ player whichever way you look at it.

Andrew Ellams
6 Posted 09/08/2019 at 06:47:45
I suspect an unhappy Zaha makes relegation a genuine prospect for Palace this season so they only have themselves to blame.
Jerome Shields
7 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:11:07
Things are different at Everton now lads and with Brands in charge Everton are mugs no more. Blame yourselves and your agents for your inflated expectations. Everton don"t want or need you now.
Bill Gienapp
8 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:17:02
In spite of the media trying to frame it as Brands breathlessly scrambling to land Rojo before the transfer deadline, I get the sense the exchange went a lot more like this --

Brands: What are you thinking re: Rojo?
Man U: We're thinking you give us 25-million and he's yours.
Brands: And I'm thinking I'm hanging up the phone now.

Tony Everan
9 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:27:21
Be interesting to see if Man U actually do loan Rojo to a European club.

Or the fee if they sell him for if it less than 25m.

If they do loan him out before the euro window shuts, basically it amounts to they fear us this season as a direct competitor and wanted to weaken us by not wanting our defence to have cover.

Robert Leigh
10 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:35:07
Agree with most above in that these two aren’t big misses; and Iwobi might be some shrewd business.

Whenever I saw him play for Arsenal he always looked exciting, maybe he didn’t get the starts he should have done because his name isn’t Ozil.

Just hope we don’t have a crisis at CB - though Gbamin can play there and with Delph, Gomes, Schneiderlin (I know), Davies n co available in the middle that isn’t too bad.

Personally I think Gbamin looks an absolute beast and very excited about him.

Paul Smith
11 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:35:09
Disagree with many, Zaha is a quality player who is unrecognisable from the player at Man U so hard to compare with Iwobi who I like btw.

As for loans none of the top 6 have loan players in their team so why should we, look at the Zouma debacle, a loan to buy (Sidibe) is the way to go.

Jerome Shields
12 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:41:25
Jason#4

I agree Mina has to fulfil the reason why he was bought. He has had more than adequate time to recover and get up to speed. Holgate, Gibson and Gbamin are adequate cover. Keane is up to it, Mina has now to be the same.

Martin Berry
13 Posted 09/08/2019 at 08:57:48
Rojo is a thug of a defender, even in training his teamates are wary !
That said many successful teams have had an "enforcer" Styles in 66, Barasi in the great AC Milan team of the 80's and you would prefer to play with them and against !
Rojo's problem is injuries and staying on the pitch not his defending abilities.
In Iwobi we may yet have potentially a better player than Saha, younger and also puts in a shift, at half the price too.
Paul Smith
14 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:07:31
Martin. Zaha is a freak in the way he came good from being so poor. Not saying Iwobi won't progress the same way but its a long shot. Be interesting to see Zaha's temperament this season after being refused his move, if he does a Gana and gets his head down he could be a beast.
Dave Abrahams
15 Posted 09/08/2019 at 09:16:09
I hope we don’t go back for Zaha in January, just count our blessings that we missed him now. Stay away.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
16 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:13:20
Rojo assumes he would have got game time at Everton. Perhaps if Keane or Mina were injured or lost form, maybe.

Oh and in the League Cup matches to rest Keane and Mina

Jay Woods
17 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:26:39
Last season Zaha was so potent that teams were restricted in attacking on his side, just to contain him. Those who say we dodged a bullet don't know what they're talking about and need to pay more attention to other clubs.

@ Paul Smith: Man City just took a goalkeeper on loan from Derby. Last season, Bayern had James on loan from Real Madrid... top sides do loans too.

Colin Metcalfe
18 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:42:00
Zaha is way better than Iwobi, its like going out to buy a Ferrari and coming back with a Skoda ! Brands has made his first major mistake and it would not surprise me if we are trying to offload Iwobi in a couple of seasons.
Gavin McGarvey
19 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:42:19
Both decent enough players. I imagine Zaha must be quite frustrated as he seems very ambitious. To be honest, if he came to us, I think he would have seen it as a stepping stone towards a top champions league club (in the mold of Lukaku). I can see why Palace were desperate to keep though, as he more or less single handedly kept them up. That being said, you can take that kind of thing too far, and if our new signings are as good as they sound, then we can take the loss of Gueye (not mentioned much recently, but a key player for us last season).

I can't really fathom the Rojo decision. Obviously, there must be more to this than meets the eye, otherwise why would they be so intent on holding on to a sixth choice centre half? Whilst I don't have much sympathy for footballers these days, it can't be nice sat on the bench each week when you'd rather be on the pitch playing. Maybe Man U see as their rivals for one of those CL spots, and are reluctant to let him go to a club they see as a potential threat.

Rob Dolby
20 Posted 09/08/2019 at 10:58:33
Martin #13

I bet it's the first time Rojo has ever been compared to one of the best defenders in world football like the great Franco Baresi.

Other than being a professional footballer I don't see any resemblance at all.

We dodged an accident waiting to happen with Rojo. Holdgate or one of the many centre mids we have can step in if we have injuries.

I was surprised we let Pennington go on loan. The lad might not be everyone's cup of tea but we do need Centre back cover.

Think we all have our fingers crossed that Mina stays fit and adapts to the prem.

Martin Berry
21 Posted 09/08/2019 at 11:41:00
Rob, your right, I was just saying he is a tough player. As for Baresi I think the comparison is they study the "dark arts" of which Baresi was a master, though shalt not pass !
Sean McCarthy
22 Posted 09/08/2019 at 11:52:39
Im not overly fussed that we didn't land Zaha as we were never his 1st (or even 2nd) choice and if the press reports are to be believed (sic) then it was a case of "they'll do" as far as the player and his agent were concerned.
My bigger disappointment is the lack of a centre back. As well as Keane played last year there is still that heart in mouth moment most games, especially when balls are sent over the top.
People both in and outside the Club speak highly of some of the U23 squad and Id love it if one or two of them made the step up this season and you never know might save us a few bob at the same time. Lewis Gibson seems to be the one being touted as the next one to graduate into the first team squad. Lets see if he can do it. If he's good enough he's old enough
Steve Ferns
23 Posted 09/08/2019 at 12:02:53
So the Mail's Insider information is that Crystal Palace basically turned off the phone? Wow, that's like a toddler throwing a tantrum. If that really is the case, then expect Zaha to cause major ructions in that club, they could have a massive split in the dressing room and their form could suffer as a result. That's not how a professional football club should behave. A simple "he's not for sale at any price" would have sufficed, and should have been said long before the window instead of plucking a high number out of thin air and then panicking when it looked like someone might actually pay that, and thus calling their bluff!
Steve Ferns
24 Posted 09/08/2019 at 12:05:05
On the subject of Rojo, he was a top class centre-back five years ago. Man Utd paid good money for him for good reason. For two years at Sporting he really shone. Sure he's lost form and struggled with injuries since then, but he was still young enough to have had the chance of resurgence. A loan was better than a purchase though.
Conor McCourt
25 Posted 09/08/2019 at 12:09:41
Jay I think that's a little harsh to say that people don't know what they are talking about because they feel we have dodged a bullet.

I personally don't feel we did but at the same time there were a lot of doubts for a player with a world class price tag.

1- his goals and assist ratio really don't reflect his price tag.

2-looking closely at the player at Palace they play counter attack football. When Zaha has room to play there is no better sight in football. At home when teams parked the bus he looked a different player and got frustrated and ragged. For us most teams in the league will sit deeper.

There is no evidence in his career to date that he has the toolset for that task and his home record isn't inspiring.

3-Risk financially as due to his age and the premium we would have needed to pay if he didn't work out it would be a big loss. Iwobi even if he's a failure won't be so.

4-I had doubts about his team ethic and if successful would he want to jump ship. If so we wouldn't make much profit and be back to square one within a year.

So while I accept the improvement Zaha has made to his game especially under Hodgson for the figures asked you would really need to be confident that he would totally transform you. If we are paying a world class fee I want to be sure we have either a top class player or a top class talent who can become world class. With Zaha I'm not.

Brent Stephens
26 Posted 09/08/2019 at 12:27:36
Zaha is a good player but not £100m good. Opportunity costs here.

Well done Brands in this window. I can't believe the numbers we have shipped out one way or another - impressive. And the number / quality of what we have brought in.

Palace here I come, more excited than at the start of any recent season.

Phil Smith
27 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:04:09
Zaha will get you around 10 goals a season, which (in Premiere League terms) no easy feat. That's why he's going for silly money. Rather have him than Iwobi. That's also why we paid a lot for Gylfi. Imagine a front 3 of Kean, Zaha and Richie boy, with Gylfi in behind... frightening. Wasn't meant to be. Hopefully Iwobi proves me wrong.
Kieran Kinsella
28 Posted 09/08/2019 at 14:31:17
Zaha is too indecisive for me. Plays for England, gets frustrated he isn’t getting enough game time so he switches to Ivory Coast. Outgrows Palace, goes to Utd gets frustrated goes back to Palace. Linked with Spurs, nothing happens, signs five year extension. Has a good season, decides he wants to go to Arsenal. Their bid is rejected, suddenly he is desperate to join Everton. I suspect if we signed him and he did well then soon enough his head would be turned and he’d be ready for another change of heart.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

29 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:00:43
Neither Zaha nor Rojo ended up as Everton players. As such, I'm not interested as to how they are feeling right now.

That said, I do wonder if there has been a change of perception about Everton in football circles, both nationally and further afield.

Let's be honest, it's a good 2-3 decades that Everton was considered a desirable 'destination' for top level players.

We have neither had the cash to attract them, nor the status. We have picked up bargains from lower leagues or lesser European leagues and cast-offs in the winter of their careers from the top six.

Since Brands came on board, in his first (rushed and pressured) window last summer we recruited seven players not yet in their prime: 3 from Barcelona, Zouma on loan from Chelsea, Virginia from Arsenal, Bernard on a free and Richarlison on big money from Watford (he now looks a bargain).

We kept our powder dry in January, but this summer had a right good go at the market recruiting again seven players (six if you take out the permanent transfer of Gomes) from Barcelona, Arsenal, Man City, Juventus, Monaco, Mainz and...ehrm...Huddersfield! We haven't paid over £30 million for a single one of them, considerably less in some cases.

This is without taking into consideration the academy players and fringe squad players we have also moved on in this time.

There is a clear transfer strategy and plan in place and where we now shop is completely different to where we previously did our buying.

I am sure a London-based boy and (alledged) Gooner like Zaha would not have given Everton a thought at the start of this summer's transfer window. Arsenal not following up their own interest and our business in the interim evidently made him sit up and take notice of what was happening around L4, to the extent that he put in a transfer request in an attempt to force through a move to us.

I somehow fancy he won't be the last high profile footballer in future seasons who will be interested in what Everton offers should they ever come calling.

Shaun McGough
30 Posted 09/08/2019 at 15:42:56
centre half cover was a priority given we have no jags or zouma. club has let silva down massively, I hope when var suspensions are handed out like no tomorrow this season or when we head into cup games and lose or if we do miss out on Europe by however many points fans don't blame players or silva but this was brands and hierarchy main job this summer, hope we are still fighting on all fronts come January 1st. Don't get me wrong other purchases have been good but you have to build a project from the back and to leave silva and us fans in this defensive predicament for first 5 months of season undoes good work elsewhere. All we can do is pray for an injury and suspension free defensive 5 month period
David Pearl
31 Posted 09/08/2019 at 16:52:58
Just because Rojo fell out of favour at Utd doesnt mean he is shite, a carthorse or whatever else. A change of scene might of done him and us the world of good. A loan would of been perfect and still allowed Mina to bed in without so much pressure. Its on now.

As Steve has said, reports that Palace turned off the phone not entirely believable but if true he's not going to be happy.

We have other players to move on. Come January a few other fringe players could also move, allowing us to really go for it for the final push. Thats if we are in position too.

Coyb

Paul Johnson
32 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:03:28
Not saying Rojo is a world beater but united bought him and played him at left back. And to be fair to the lad the last five years at united have hardly been stable. He played in the 2014 world cup and looked a solid no nonsense old school centre half, with a half decent left foot. A loan deal would have been perfect.
Simon Dalzell
33 Posted 09/08/2019 at 17:48:16
Anti-climactic, and very disappointing. We have shown our lack of ambition again.

Matching the likes of Arsenal is our aim, not buying their surplus. It would have been a bolder step if we had not signed either Zaha or Iwobi, and waited until January and tried to get Zaha. Instead, we've handed Arsenal a large chunk of the fee, which without, they could not have bought him.

Zaha was a MUST. Bottled again. Settling for less is a trait we need ditch.

Rob Marsh
34 Posted 09/08/2019 at 20:50:59
I've been surprised just how many have thought that paying £50m - £90m was a reasonable thing to do for Zaha.

Maybe I'm just wrong and out of step with most others, he had a productive season and scored 10 goals, but the fact that Arsenal were lukewarm about him and none of the other big boys showed any interest in him means collectively he just wasn't rated that highly.

We were the only (mugs?) that were prepared to come close to the asking fee. Let's wait and see if he betters last season performance this season and becomes a superstar.

Gordon Crawford
35 Posted 09/08/2019 at 20:51:27
Sorry, Simon, but how did we bottle it? We had a very good window by all accounts.

Zaha was going to cost a fortune and I'm not convinced he is much better than Iwobi. We would still have the money to make another bid in January if needs be, but Zaha won't be going anywhere until next summer.

The other thing is we don't have the same attraction as the “Top Six” so that will go against us until we start regularly challenging.

Peter Neilson
36 Posted 09/08/2019 at 21:01:04
Rob (34), you're not on your own. I can understand Palace wanting £80-£100m as I've never before watched such a one-man team as them.

Without Zaha they would probably be fighting to stay up and desperate to avoid losing the TV dosh. Fortunately it appears it was mostly a media frenzy.

Andy Crooks
37 Posted 09/08/2019 at 21:01:32
Simon, where is the lack of ambition? The attempt to sign Zaha seemed ambitious to me. We were talked about on Sky as being ambitious. We looked like a big club once more. It wasn't perfect but it was a decent window.
Mike Allison
38 Posted 09/08/2019 at 23:24:47
I can't believe the slagging off of Zaha. He's a special player who would have made us much better, as well as entertaining. He's easily the most important player to his team in the Premier League, and in some ways the most important player.

All you've got to do is compare Palace's results with him and without him. His goals and assists return is decent considering he plays in a relatively weak team, and if he was in a side with other threatening players, rather than being the only one the opponents need to focus on, then he would probably be able to produce more.

I'm gutted we didn't get him.

Soren Moyer
39 Posted 09/08/2019 at 23:25:42
I really do think Iwobi was the main target and Zaha was smoke screen!!
Tom Dodds
40 Posted 09/08/2019 at 23:40:42
The ‘Prem Crow' wannabe ‘journalists' are plugging the "Everton have done Arsenal a favour by feeding them the Iwobi money to fund Zaha in the January transfer window" line.

James Power
41 Posted 10/08/2019 at 00:04:26
I like Zaha but think that he is worth more rob palace than he is to anyone else. For me he is Gylfi level. I would have been a bit disappointed if we had paid asking price. Whether he is fuming or not is of little consequence to me. I am sure Joleon was fuming and Stones etc. Who cares? We’ll be ok without. COYB
Paul A Smith
42 Posted 10/08/2019 at 07:52:14
Iwobi basically is another Zaha. Not against it at all and we now have virtually the same enigma but younger.
I'm more bothered we didnt add the 3 class players we needed to kick on from last years show of potential.
Now we have another possible show of potential with these young signings and the ball will just keep rolling.

If we wanted to really be above Arsenal and Man U (which was clear 2 years back when we sold our top scorer to them one place above us), now was the time to do it.

We wont hurt them when they are great again will we?

Kevin Molloy
43 Posted 10/08/2019 at 08:15:34
I think Zaha has benefited from having an extremely shrewd coach, who has built his whole strategy around gettng the best out of him. Which means he can go where he wants when he wants, and just ad lib. That would absolutely not be the case here. He would have to fit into a very defined system where he had a clear role. And under such circumstances I think his final ball and finishing would be shown to be not top level.
on the centre backs, it was a very tough ask to get someone to meet our requirements, given that we were looking for someone of higher standard than Holgate, but who we didn't want to spend any money on.
Si Cooper
44 Posted 10/08/2019 at 09:11:51
I’m not buying the idea that Zaha put in a transfer request because he was desperate to come to us in particular. I think he was just desperate to get away from Palace, and so there would have been the risk that 12 months after we got him he would be agitating for a move elsewhere.
I think Iwobi is a lesser player but still a decent addition to our squad and the chances are he will appreciate being at Everton much more than I think Zaha would have done. That may be enough to get that significant bit more out of Iwobi than we have seen from him so far.
I think Rojo on loan would have been the only circumstance I would be happy to see him come to us, and purely for cover only. Some posters have been stating we had 12 months to plot the Kurt Zouma transfer. They seem to have forgotten that last year we bought Yerry Mina and Kurt Zouma was only a loan deal with no option to buy. I think the intention was for Zouma just to be cover for a season but in the end Zouma had the better season and made it a sensible idea to see if we could get him to return. A run of negative factors ultimately ruined that option, but it must have only really become an option when his form radically improved. Yerry Mina was our first option and we should all be hoping he makes us forget all about Kurt Zouma as a dead cert first choice. If not we will try again for Zouma in January when Rudiger is back.
Liam Reilly
45 Posted 10/08/2019 at 09:33:57
Doubt Everton have paid the Full Amount upfront for Iwobi and so have not funded a Jan bid from Arsenal for Zaha

More likely Arsenal will sumbit an instalments based bid in Jan (if they still need him) and Everton will go back with more cash.

60M should've been more than enough to get him; unfortunately the Maguire deal unsettled the window.

Jimmy Hogan
46 Posted 10/08/2019 at 09:39:38
Who is Wilfried Zaha?
Get me Wilfried Zaha
Get me another Wilfried Zaha
Get me a young Wilfried Zaha
Who is Wilfried Zaha?
Gary Carter
47 Posted 11/08/2019 at 09:27:15
Absolutely hilarious, our fans that say we don't need Zaha: with goals, assists and penalties awarded to him, he would put another 25-30 goals in our bank. He is 26, pacy, skilful, hard-working, hungry but – ooooooh, he's too much money! Well, guess what, if you seriously want to break into the Top 6, you have to spend Top 6 money now and again.

Our small-club mentality permeates through the club from the owner all the way down to the fans and that is why we will finish between 10th and 8th and have absolutely no hope of Top 6.

We didn't even have the forward-thinking confident mentality to even play our star signing yesterday, choosing instead to go safe with a striker that averaged a goal every 9 games — it's pathetic!

James Power
48 Posted 12/08/2019 at 21:03:52
10 goals and 5 assists last season.
Brian Cleveland
49 Posted 18/08/2019 at 21:29:35
Just read that Man Utd might be offering Rojo a pay off to leave. I assume that would mean contract torn up.

If so, he becomes a free agent and thus not bound by transfer window rules? Some kind of collusion going on perhaps? Is that possible?

Eric Paul
50 Posted 18/08/2019 at 21:56:57
Gary,

Which top-six side would want Zaha even at half the price we offered... oh yes, Man Utd who couldn't wait to get rid, so why do you think he would be a good signing? We have 2 players who out scored him last season, one was overpriced and one ruined the transfer market.

In my opinion, we dodged a very expensive bullet.

David Pearl
51 Posted 18/08/2019 at 22:01:38
Eric,

Chelsea wanted him, Spurs were interested, Arsenal bid for him and Pep bigged him up but have no room. That's 3 of 6. But yes he was expensive. I'm happy to see if Iwobi can improve.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
52 Posted 18/08/2019 at 22:03:22
.. . . when Ndidi got between Spain right-back Cesar Azpilicueta and France defender Kurt Zouma to head in from a corner.

And for the first time since the 1993/94 season Everton enter the 3rd game of the season having not conceded a goal. (Good job we got 9 points from those 1st 3 games that season!)

Do we need him now?

And on another note, I see Joel Robles was facing Sandro in Spain tonight, the first red carded after 8 mins and the other subbed after 12. We might be getting the loan cancelled if he is seriously crocked.

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