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Dutch giants eyeing Everton's Gibson

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Both Ajax and PSV Eindhoven are said to be monitoring Lewis Gibson's position at Everton with a view to opening contract talks with the teenage defender in January.

That's according to 90Min who say that the Eredivisie rivals could compete for the 19-year-old's signature if he hasn't signed a new contract with the Toffees by the time the next transfer window opens.

A highly-anticipated signing from Newcastle United at the age of 16, Gibson has been working his way through the Finch Farm academy and, after joining the first team for pre-season and even scoring in a friendly, the centre-half has been training with the senior squad for much of the season.

With just three experienced central defenders on the books, Gibson is regarded by Marco Silva has the next in line behind Michael Keane, Yerry Mina and Mason Holgate but as yet he has not signed a new deal with Everton.

With his existing terms expiring next summer, he will be free to negotiate with interested clubs in January and according to Patrick Boyland's reporting for The Athletic, it's his lack of first-team prospects that might tip Gibson towards seeking a move elsewhere.

Gibson has also been linked with a move back to Newcastle.



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John Keating
1 Posted 22/10/2019 at 08:16:27
Maybe this story is just another bit of nonsense, who knows? However, I really do think Silva should put the youngsters who he considers close to the first team on the bench now and again. Possibly one each game?

Surely this would only be beneficial to the youngsters, give them more encouragement and possibly a few minutes of actual game time in certain circumstances.

Although both Silva and Brands are continually spouting about bringing on our youngsters as the future, so far they haven't really shown us.

Alan J Thompson
2 Posted 22/10/2019 at 09:03:08
Another Dier and Mustafi? Step up Mr Brands but it never looks good when it gets this near to being out of contract.
Kevin Prytherch
3 Posted 22/10/2019 at 09:21:59
Silva hasn’t given a debut to any Everton youngster.

Whereas in the past young players would have looked at Everton thinking they had a chance, now they must be thinking the opposite.

There was a recent interview with Markelo, who said he wanted to go on loan in the summer but Brands persuaded him to stay as he’d be closer to the first team. Now he’s considering his future because he wants to play.

Dave Abrahams
4 Posted 22/10/2019 at 09:25:03
Gibson is an excellent prospect but how many 19-year-old centre-backs play in the premier league, it's a very demanding position.

I would imagine Everton have offered him a very good contract but it looks like the lad is ambitious and wants to play first-team football. Now, I'd advise caution if I was close to the lad, sometimes young players, and their agents act too hastily.

Then, looking at Everton's centre-backs, maybe there will be a place for a new one very soon... As good a prospect Lewis is, I'm hoping that Zouma or another experienced centre-back will come in the January window, and Gibson and his agent realise that he will still be further back then.

Sam Hoare
5 Posted 22/10/2019 at 09:40:53
Much easier for young lightning quick wingers to get game time in the Premier League than centre backs. One mistake in that position could be a game-changer.

Silva, despite having a young-ish team has not given debuts to any academy players in his time here despite the success of the young teams. It could be that there are not sufficient quality in the individuals to force their way in but the likes of Gibson and Gordon must be close.

The step up from decent U23 player to first team football is tough. Many clubs lose good quality youngsters looking for minutes. Arsenal have lost the likes of Gnabry, Malen and Reine-Adeleaide in recent years. Best scenario is get Gibson to sign a new contract and then find him a good Championship loan if he is too good for the U23s but not good enough for the first team.

Steve Ferns
6 Posted 22/10/2019 at 10:43:14
I agree with you, Dave. I also think that the lad is currently 4th choice. Who in the Premier League has a teenager as one of their four centre-backs? When was the last time someone did?

The other thing to note is that he IS with the first team. He might play for the U23s, but him Denis Adendoyin, Anthony Gordon, and it appears Beni Baningime are all first team players who turn out for the U23s. So day in, day out, they're training with the first team squad and learning off them, playing with them, and surely developing from that.

I think it's acceptable to a youngster, and I'm thinking Gordon and Gibson here, to expect to have to be patient when they first step up to the first-team squad. First you got to adapt to the training and the level of your colleagues, then you have to prove yourself, and then you have to sustain that level, and then you can force your way in.

I would be telling Gibson that, if we got a favourable cup draw, at home to lower league, then he would be in with a shout of playing.

As for Silva not giving anyone a first-team debut, is that not because Unsworth gave so many debuts that there was no one he could actually give a debut to? Since Unsworth, who could he give a debut to? Anthony Gordon is the only one for me, and at the end of last season, he was on the bench in the U23s behind Josh Bowler, who, for what it is worth, is struggling to get a game for Hull in the Championship. Gordon has exploded for the U23s this season. Many predicted he was capable of this, but do you really reward a lad like Gordon with a first-team place on the back of a handful of great performances for the U23s. Because, let's have some perspective here, it is only 5 or so good games we are talking about. Gordon has the opportunity with the first team, he's been there since the start of pre-season, and Silva will be looking very closely at him.

We have to have patience with the kids. I get carried away more than most. I love nothing more than a local lad breaking into the first team. Gordon in particular was someone I heard about a while back now, and he's pulled up trees, but his form is up and down. So we have to temper our hopes and trust that the club (ie Brands and Silva) will handle him correctly.

The other great hope, Ellis Simms (and it was a great goal by the way Dave) is only just starting to make an impact at u23 level. He struggled at first and has taken the best part of 9 months to step up a level from U18 to U23. He's far from the first team right now.

The next two I see are Tom Cannon and Lewis Dobbin. Both are only 16 and both play for the U23s. Dobbin is like the proverbial off a shovel. He's from Stoke and has been with us a little while now. He broke into the u18s at the very end of last season, just after he turned 16. However, it is this season that he has started to excel and at just 16 he will need to stay with the U18s for the season at least and we should expect nothing from him for the first team for at least 2 years.

Hugh Jenkins
7 Posted 22/10/2019 at 12:57:52
Dave (#4) as the old saying goes – "If you're good enough, you're old enough."

Age didn't stop the likes of Best, Giggs, Howard Kendal etc. and one of the recent "stars" of the Dutch league, in Gibson's position was Matthijs De Ligt.

As things currently stand, we can watch him go and then, in two years, be gnashing our teeth because Juventus or Barca. etc are willing to pay £70M for him.

Dave Abrahams
8 Posted 22/10/2019 at 13:26:58
Hugh (7),

Ah, adages... ‘Many hands make light work’ or ‘Too many cooks spoil the broth'.

Hugh, Everton are trying to keep the lad, they have made him an offer for a new contract; so far he has refused to sign it.

You can't force a player to stay if he is determined to go... ask Lukaku, Stones and Barkley amongst a few others. I doubt if Everton are at fault, in this case, if Gibson moves on.

John Keating
9 Posted 22/10/2019 at 13:29:07
I don't think it's necessarily the case of putting the youngsters in the team from kick off.

My point is that, although it's great a few youngsters training each day with the first team and getting experience there, surely putting one on the bench each week, if possible can only encourage them further.

Obviously Baningime, Kenny, Davies, Calvert-Lewin, Holgate were all thrown in at the deep end during the Koeman - Unsworth - Allardyce season, and were a great credit to themselves and the Club.

Beni was on the bench against West Ham, would he have been if Schneiderlin had been available? Doubt it.

Some are mentioning Sidibe being signed on a permanent deal. If Kenny continues as he has this season at Schalke, bringing him back as No 1 right back next season, surely that's the path we should take.

Dave Abrahams
10 Posted 22/10/2019 at 13:36:59
John (9), I think Beni being on the bench last Saturday was purely cosmetic, seeing that he had played the full game for the U23s the night before.

I agree with you that at least one young player should be selected to be on the bench each week, especially in away games, so he can travel with the squad and get a real feel of being part of the club.

Andrew James
11 Posted 22/10/2019 at 13:45:13
Steve – you make a good point that Unsworth gave so many younger players debuts that to beat Silva with that stick is probably unfair.

However, I think it is fair to accuse Silva of not trusting the younger players. He made Tom Davies captain during our decent run in the Autumn of last season but then, with him doing nothing wrong, he got dropped and we have rarely seen him since despite two terrible spells where other midfielders were badly out of form.

Only when he was forced to last Saturday did he play him, a little like when Koeman had to when we thrashed Man City. And fair enough one swallow doesn't make a summer but it rather had me wondering why Silva has persisted with Schneiderlin for so long during our latest crisis. Especially when during the Allardyce season that the replacement of the Frenchman by Tom Davies was one of the reasons for our mid-season turnaround.

Now he has persisted with Calvert-Lewin although there aren't many options in that part of the pitch.

But Kenny clearly saw no path hence the loan to Germany.

For anyone talking about Mustafi and Dier, well actually I would say the one who got away was Shane Duffy. Mustafi is much maligned by his own fans. Moyes decided he couldn't make Dier into a top-level centre-half and he hasn't been proved wrong.

Pochettino got a tune out of Dier for a few seasons as a central defensive midfielder but now everyone moans about his limitations and Spurs have upgraded.

Ray Roche
12 Posted 22/10/2019 at 13:50:39
Hugh @7,

To be fair, you mention four world-class players, one who made his debut 56 years ago. Players, teenagers, who get a game at 16-19 and become players of the standard you mention at that age are not that common.

Lookman burst on to the scene but has not progressed even at his (agent's) chosen club. And there are many others who have flattered to deceive.

Steve Ferns
13 Posted 22/10/2019 at 14:29:21
Andrew, if Silva really didn't like Calvert-Lewin he could have played Tosun. He also could have insisted on a striker.

Tom Davies is a favourite of mine. I thought Silva would make the lad. He got the captaincy and seemed to be getting lots of chances but then disappeared as things went from bad to good. This season, we've had a midfield injury crisis and he's only just got a game. So it looks like Silva doesn't like him. But, I think he still does. Who knows what's been happening in training? Maybe Silva was waiting for a better set of circumstances. Maybe he agreed with all the fans calling Davies a Championship player?

Kenny did play 10 times in the Premier League under Silva, so he did get a chance to impress. I agreed with Dave Abrahams at the time that Kenny had done enough, that he should keep his place.

I think that we lack leadership. Coleman was the fans' choice as captain. Silva goes with continental traditions and names the longest serving player as captain (which is why Davies got the armband). I don't think Coleman is captain material.

It's notable that Silva has been going with Digne as captain recently, and so he must see leadership there. I don't see it myself. I think the leadership on Saturday came from Gomes. Davies also showed leadership qualities.

If Coleman is not the captain, perhaps his game might improve (no longer distracted by that role). If not, then it gives the chance for Kenny to take his place. I think Kenny or Sidibe should be ahead of Coleman by next season.

Baningime was given a chance by Silva in his first pre-season. However, he wore a zorro style face mask in the early part, before being seen with a protective boot by the time the pre-season games started and then he had lost his place, was loaned out, and apparently was injured as he made just one appearance. It is reported that he had that initial ankle injury but recovered before the end of October, as he made a comeback game for our U23s (playing a total of just 2 games for them last season).

Then was loaned to Wigan in January when he was back fit, and was on the bench for the first game against QPR where he was an unused substitute and then played the next game against Rotherham, playing the full 90 minutes. This was the last time he made the Wigan squad. Paul Cook said the following:

"It must have been such a culture shock for Beni to come into the team for a game like that, coming from Everton. But we had no choice really, and I thought he acquitted himself really well, and grew into the game.”

I tried to find another quote, I am pretty sure Cook said he was not injured, he was unlucky to miss out, but I can't find it so I must have imagined it!

With regards Silva and young players, history shows he gives them games. Remember Richarlison is only 22 and he was the main man for Watford when he was only 20. What Silva does with Gordon, though, will be a serious indicator of his willingness to play young players.

Steve Ferns
14 Posted 22/10/2019 at 14:33:54
Wigan fan site report on Baningime's only appearance:

Another Everton loanee makes his debut

Beni Baningime is 20-years-old and has had one Premier League start and seven substitute appearances for Everton. His first game in the Championship was a baptism of fire.

Baningime looked lost for most of the game, unable to stamp his mark on the play. It was only in the final quarter that he showed the confidence to seek out the ball.

His prior experience did not prepare him for this rough-and-tumble occasion. Only time will tell if Baningime will succeed in his half-season at Wigan and make a better impression than previous loan players from Everton have made in recent years.

Cook was unfortunate to lose the experienced and physically more imposing Lee Evans prior to the game. Moreover, he did not have a central midfielder on the bench to replace Baningime if he had wanted to. Neither Shaun MacDonald nor Darron Gibson were in the squad. The latter has been off-form of late, but why Cook did not opt for MacDonald's experience in a tough fixture like that is hard to fathom.

Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 22/10/2019 at 14:49:05
Steve

I get your point regarding Gibson and 19-year-old centre-backs. But it begs the question, why did we sign him? If you pay 5 million for a 16- or 17-year-old, then in his mind and everyone else's he is a bit special. If you're not likely to give him a first-team run until he is in his twenties, then there is every likelihood he will leave before that time comes, eg, Mustafi, even Duffy to an extent.

So why buy him at all? You could just wait until he is 19 going on 20 at Newcastle and let them be the ones who lose him as his contract runs down just as he is getting good. I know it wasn't a Brands - Silva signing but it seems bad business nonetheless. Ditto with Bowler, he is a winger so as others have said more likely to get game time younger. But if he is 18 already and signed with the idea that he is initially only good enough for the U23s, then again what is the point?

Tom Bowers
16 Posted 22/10/2019 at 15:03:01
I suspect that very few managers can play the youngsters when they have highly paid players at the top of the pecking order despite having poor form. One good example is Foden at Man City.

It is a sit-and-wait game for some and for maybe the lure of first-team football elsewhere is greater, even with a lesser club or abroad.

Maybe letting Gibson go on loan for a while will be the option when push comes to shove.

Steve Ferns
17 Posted 22/10/2019 at 15:04:33
Kieran, it was an undisclosed fee we paid for him at the time, which was reported as £1m rising to £6m if triggers were met. That probably (I'm guessing) means money after so many games for Everton (maybe after 10, 50 and 100) and so many for England, maybe more money for European qualification as well.

It's a good question (What is the point?). I would have thought a year in the U18s, then a year in U23s, and then break into the first team would be a logical accelerated and realistic career plan for him. He joined us two years ago. He did the year with the U18s, then he won the U17 World Cup, and then he stepped up to U23 level during the last season and now he's with the first team. To me, he's on the right path and just needs to be patient, and work hard. I mean he's already jumped ahead of Morgan Feeney, our 20-year-old U23 captain. Silva and Brands can say they trust him enough to be fourth choice, and he just needs to bide his time.

The examples of it working though are the Barnsley boys, Stones and Holgate. Stones was 18 and broke through the season after he joined when he was 19. Holgate was also 18, and he broke through the year after he signed as a 19-year-old as well.

So, is 18-year-old Gibson not to follow their example? He was never really going to play before he was 19.

Dave Abrahams
18 Posted 22/10/2019 at 15:13:57
Apologies for my previous posts (4 and 8), I was under the impression that Everton had made Gibson a new contract offer; now, I'm not absolutely sure that is the case.

Hugh (7) another adage that applies to me: ‘Look before you leap'!!!

Steve Ferns
19 Posted 22/10/2019 at 15:21:03
I don't think we have yet, Dave. This "transfer talk" smacks of contract negotiation to me. Same with Anthony Gordon being set to join Bayern in the summer before we signed him to a 4-year deal.

by the way, anyone seen that Ademola Lookman has only played 41 minutes for Leipzig so far? Are the same issues following him to Germany? Nagelsmann blames us for him not being fit enough (essentially), but he's been there 3 months now, he should be more than fit. Which makes me believe that Nagelsmann was just giving Lookman an excuse. That he's still struggling to get a game tells me there's something else going on, or maybe he really is just not good enough, despite having great feet, technique, and control. You need more than that to be a top-level footballer.

Mike Gaynes
20 Posted 22/10/2019 at 15:28:26
Andrew #11, you're certainly not the only Andy here who is a Duffy fan, but I would dispute that he's one who "got away". To my eyes he's never been good enough.

Since leaving us he had 100 games in the Championship, finally reached the Premier League when Brighton won promotion, and while he's done well in the two years since that happened, he's never exactly been considered one of the top centre-backs in the Premier League. He has recently lost his place at Brighton to young Webster.

Mike Gaynes
21 Posted 22/10/2019 at 15:34:45
Steve #19, spot on. I'm one who was always calling for Lookman off the bench, but Nagelsmann is about the fifth manager to see the kid every day and leave him out. Certainly doesn't rate him as highly as the departed Rangnick did.

He's still only 22, so there's time, but it's not a good sign, is it?

Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 22/10/2019 at 15:59:17
Mike & Steve,

It's ironic in hindsight that all summer long people (fans, media) were having a go at Everton for not trying to keep Lookman, while many were quite happy to send Kenny away on loan or even permanently.

Andrew James
23 Posted 22/10/2019 at 16:12:16
Mike - I was not saying Duffy would have been a centre-half mainstay but he would have made for a fine deputy, especially during the last 4 seasons, when we have been shaky back there for a variety of reasons. He's performed well at Brighton but I suspect his new coach wants to play a very different way from Hughton.

Steve - fair points yet I think we agree that Silva hasn't trusted Tom Davies or perhaps doesn't want that type of midfielder. He seems to prefer the deeper-lying ones and not those box-to-box types. Gomes can do both but I think the plan in an ideal Silva world would be for him to set the counter-attacks off and screen the back in order for the full-backs to go... Is that your reading of it?

Andrew James
24 Posted 22/10/2019 at 16:22:24
Kieran,

I was torn about Kenny going. Two seasons ago he was being labelled more of a Hibbert than a Coleman. I thought he was one of the few who came out of Allardyce era before Seamus returned with any credit. He showed leadership and spirit in a defence of Williams who looked hopeless, Holgate who was still learning and Martina playing on the wrong side. Oh, with Schneiderlin in front of them.

And I do see an attacking edge to his game, he just doesn't go on those careering runs like Coleman, he likes playing the early ball.

I wish he had stayed because I think he could win the shirt but can only hope he returns having learned lots. I suspect his long game is to play for us while Lookman was never so keen!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

25 Posted 22/10/2019 at 16:34:52
As Jonjoe Kenny is getting discussed in this thread, I will shamelessly share a link I've already posted in another thread. An interview with the lad (and others, including his very happy manager) on how he has settled into life at Schalke and how much he is growing not just as a player, but as a person.

Link

Reassuring to read at the end of the report that he still sees his long term future at Everton.

That, of course, may change if - as discussed in this thread - Silva continues to limit playing time for young players on the books.

Ray Roche
26 Posted 22/10/2019 at 16:59:41
The thing with players like Duffy, Dier etc., is that they are the players they have become because they LEFT Everton. Had they stayed, they would have been on the bench or worse. Leaving allowed their talents and careers to develop.
John McFarlane Snr
27 Posted 22/10/2019 at 17:05:38
Hi Hugh [7],

Football is full of mistakes and misjudgements, Bolton Wanderers [allegedly] let Alan Ball go because they considered him to be too small.

Steve Ferns
28 Posted 22/10/2019 at 19:07:41
Kieran, anyone who labelled Jonjoe Kenny as more of a Hibbert than a Coleman never saw the lad play for the u18s, the 23s, or England u20s or u21s. He's most definitely more of a Coleman than a Hibbert. I would go far as to say that Whilst he mentions Lahm in Jay's linked article, I think that was talking to the Schalke fans, as I believe he modelled his game on Seamus. Let's not forget that when Coleman was winning the right back slot off Hibbert, Kenny was 13 years of age and already playing for Everton's academy sides, so Coleman would be a massive influence on him.

One thing Kenny has always had over Coleman is his crossing. It's a major strength of his game, and you've seen much more of that in Germany. He seems much more confident over there, and if he can bring that confidence to Goodison, then I'm sure we'd see the attacking side of his game, which is better than the defensive side of his game. I always thought that like Coleman, Kenny is a bit suspect defensively. Coleman's attacking game is undermined by his decling pace, and people are suggesting he play because of the defensive side of his game, that's some turnaround for Seamus! I think both Kenny and Coleman do alright defensively because they are great competitors and brave, and do not shirk responsibility and are both willing to roll their sleeves up and scrap.

I don't think I'm far behind Dave Abrahams in the Jonjoe Kenny fan club, and after being initially upset that he was being loaned out, I'm delighted with how it's going and optimistic he can return and claim the number 2 shirt for his own.

Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 22/10/2019 at 19:15:30
Steve (28), I think one thing is certain this season Steve,and that is Jonjo has had, and will get more first team football in Germany than he would have played with Everton, so like you I’m glad he went to Germany, only temporary of course, he belongs and wants to be at Everton.
Bobby Mallon
30 Posted 22/10/2019 at 22:23:01
Dave Abrahams @4. Maybe being 19 is old enough. Give him a go let's see you never know give him a game or two. Rashford was an unknown. They all have to start somewhere
Mike Gaynes
31 Posted 23/10/2019 at 02:11:44
Steve #28, glad you've come around on the JJK loan. I was enthused about it from the start, and having seen him recently against Leipzig (an impressive win for Schalke) I was enormously impressed with the obvious confidence and composure he has absorbed at Schalke. He did make one very obvious defensive error, but recovered and was otherwise very solid. I'm looking forward to seeing him this Saturday against Dortmund, his biggest challenge of the season.

I believe that now, however, the question of his future at Everton is not whether he is better than Coleman, it's whether he is better -- and more suited to the system -- than Sidibe. Kenny is a fine long passer and crosser, but Sidibe is a complete attacking fullback, and it may come down to what the club wants from a RB.

Darren Hind
32 Posted 23/10/2019 at 05:09:36
Seamus is still capable of the odd decent game, but his star is most definitely on the wane. I was against allowing Kenny to leave because I believed he had already gone past him. Now I'm convinced of it.

Funny how things work out in football. if the guy currently playing right back stays healthy and rediscovers his form consistently, he will prove to be better than the pair of them.

Get Gibson signed. If that means agreeing to let him go to play first -team football elsewhere for a season, so be it. He may not fulfill his potential (not many do) but he is looking the part. Centre-halves cost (and fetch) an awful lot of money these days

Fran Mitchell
33 Posted 23/10/2019 at 07:01:28
Would be a disaster if he left. We should tie him down with the promise of first team football next season, and keep the promise.

We are far too fast to wright young players off as not ready/not good enough.

Davies, DCL, Lookman, Holgate, Kenny, Dowell,
Vlasic and more have all been cast as 'championship standard' without even getting a decent chance.

Either they come in and explode into the scene, or they are 'shit'. What about the middle ground, the fact that you learn as you play. That a few stuttering performances don't mean a player is 'shite', not 'not ready and needs a year on loan.

I don't believe the loan system is this great way of Developing and priming players for our first team, I think that comes down to good coaching, management, and first team football. If that means having a rookie in the squad instead of a '1st teamer' so
be it.

Newcastle, Burnley, Norwich, Liverpool, Man U, Tottenham, Palace, Chelsea and others all have players in their first team that came in at 18/19 and didn't look out of place. And get full backing from their fans.

I hope Kenny returns and gets a chance next season to prove himself as no2. I hope Gibson is given a chance to displace Keane (who is limited). I hope Davies stays in the team for the foreseeable future, bad game or not, and is given a real chance to play, and Develop, alongside Gomes. I hope Gordon is given minutes in the first team (proper minutes- 20/30
Not stoppage time), and in the Premier League. Also wouldn't mind bringing Dowell back from Derby and giving him a chance as centre mid (considering Gbamin and Delphi injuries, we have only Schneiderlin in reserve)

I'd be much more forgiving of another 9th/8th if it meant we were investing in youth, rather than another 9th/8th cycle with the same ageing yet 'proven' players.

Hugh Jenkins
34 Posted 23/10/2019 at 17:51:12
Dave Abrahams (Various) LOL - yes agreed - an adage - but the definition of adage is, "a proverb or short statement expressing a general truth".

John (27) - yes - I dare say many such mistakes and misjudgements have been made - I just don't want us to add further to them.

On the general point about young players and in particular Gibson (and centre backs generally), it is interesting to read that Frank Lampard at Chelsea has, since he became manager, given first team debuts in the Champions league to 5 (five) under 21 players, this season.

One is a young centre back that we tried to get on loan in the close season, apparently, a certain Mr Tomori, who is playing against Ajax this evening - in the CL and is, I also believe still under 21.

What price Gibson now?

Dave Abrahams
35 Posted 23/10/2019 at 20:13:12
Hugh (34), fair enough Hugh, I’m not against young players being given a chance and I certainly thing Gibson has a great chance of becoming a very good player. I think nineteen is very young for a centre back in the premier league and Everton’s two present centre backs have had a trying time this season and at the moment I wouldn’t trust either of them to nurse Lewis through his initial games with Everton.

Although to be brutally honest I must say I’d doubt if he could play worse than one of them, still taking a chance though, I’d prefer Holgate be given the chance first.

Hugh Jenkins
36 Posted 24/10/2019 at 21:27:18
Dave (35) I agree that 19 is generally "young" for an EPL CB - but referring back to the adage, "if you are good enough you are old enough" - A certain John Stones, made his first premiership start of Everton as a 19 year old and was also selected for the Full England squad at the same age.

With the emphasis on managers not to lose in the EPL nowadays, I think that the fact we don't see more youngsters starting is more to do with the managers senses of self preservation - rather than an unyielding belief that the kids are not good enough.

In other words - they are not risk takers - unless it is forced on them - which it was to some extent on Marco, last weekend.

Dave Abrahams
37 Posted 24/10/2019 at 21:55:31
Hugh (36), I think John Stones was a bit special ( when he wasn’t dribbling in Everton’s six yard box !!) and had that bit of class that made him stand out, doubt there was much risk giving him his chance, and he took it very well.

Lewis Gibson is a different type of defender to John Stones, he’s got a lot of quality and reads the game well, if Everton had a centre back like Stubbs, Weir, Gough or even a younger Jagielka along side him, talking him through the game, yes it would possibly worth the risk of putting him in the side.

On Saturday though Hugh, for instance, it looks like Mina will not be playing so there is no way really of lining up Lewis in the team.

Gibson’s time will come, if he is patient enough, now is not the time to play him and if he stays, in the future he look back and thank the manager for not playing him now.

Francis van Lierop
38 Posted 28/10/2019 at 14:39:36
I was very surprised when I read it first over here. Have no idea if there's any truth to it.

On a side-note, Bayern Munich are eyeing Erik ten Hag. And to think someone on here called him a no-mark..

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