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Everton turn to Jorge Jesus to replace Silva

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Everton have made contact with the representative of another Portuguese coach in the form of Flamengo boss Jorge Jesus as they seek to make a change in manager following Marco Silva's poor start to the season.

That's according to Diário de Notícias in Portugal who say the Blues have opened communication channels with Pini Zahavi to possibly negotiate the hiring of Jesus who has just won the Brazilian league and Copa Libertadores.

The report claims that Jesus, 65, is expected to leave Flamengo after the Club World Cup next month and he hopes to manage a "major European club" following his success in Latin America and spells with Sporting and Benfica.

If the link is true and Farhad Moshiri has set his sights on Jesus, he would have to wait until late December before he could bring him on board, leaving Silva in place for the next five or six games.

It would represent an uncanny repeat of history for Silva — it was Jesus who replaced him at Sporting in 2015 while the elder Portuguese has a link with the Toffees in that it was his Benfica side that destroyed David Moyes's Everton in the Europa League 10 years ago.

Nov 28 Update Jesus addressed speculation regarding his future, saying in quotes attributed to him by A Bola in Portugal: ""I don't know what will happen to my future after Flamengo. I know I have a contract until May. Then anything can happen.

"My focus is Flamengo. There is no possibility of communicating with me about another matter. They say many clubs talked to me. Even the World Cup has nothing, I do not talk to anyone.

"My focus now is on this project, this goal and Flamengo. I live the most beautiful year of my coaching career and I want to enjoy it to the fullest."

In addition, Latin American football observer, Tim Vickery, has said that it is his impression that if Jesus returns to Europe, he will have his eye on a club capable of challenging for top honours.

Original Source: Observador  


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Davie Turner
1 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:23:14
If true ok, seems sensible.
Derek Knox
2 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:28:00
I can see the Headline now, " Jesus Saves " Jesus Saves " " Jesus Saves ".

Another totally different name in the frame, well it keeps the ball rolling!

Anthony Murphy
3 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:30:13
Wasn’t someone on here the other day advocating for Jorge Jesus?

We do need a miracle after all...

John Richards
4 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:32:32
Only one man and he's a trophy winner: Rafa.
Les Moorcroft
5 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:33:05
Anthony 3,

I think there were 12 advocating for him... well, it's nearly Christmas.

Steve Ferns
6 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:34:47
Anthony it was Jay Wood winding me up. This would be my worst nightmare! But I’m sure a load would say that if I think he’s crap then we should get him in as I know nothing! I can’t argue with that at the moment though can I?

The football would be poor under Jorge Jesus. The only interest would be with his eccentricities on the sidelines. You can’t accuse him of being passionless.

If he came in and bought Bas Dost with him, I’m putting my season ticket on eBay.

Kenny Smith
7 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:43:03
He's a cracking coach with charisma and a winner but wether he would be effective in the premier league I'm not sure. He was the Benfica manager when we were smashed 5-0 in Lisbon, beaten at home by them and he's won the lot.

It makes sense as we have so many Portuguese speaking players to have a manager who can speak the lingo. This one makes more sense to me than the rest of the perennial losers linked to the job.

John Richards
8 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:47:17
For just once, get it right and bring in a trophy winner: Rafa all day long.
Tom Bowers
9 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:48:29
Namesake of the Saviour being appointed at Christmas. How cool that would be.
Anthony Batty
10 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:48:50
Why him? Never heard of him. Another one who probably can't speak English, so there is the first problem. How will that communication handicap tell a team how to function and what is expected of them? Mind you he would be able to communicate with Richarlison and tell him to get off his arse.

David Pearl
11 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:54:39
Yes Tom very cool. Then around April Bugs can take over.

I’m done l really am. What a shitty shitty year I’ve had. I’m going to volunteer southern Israel for months working with goats... along with my guitar to see if l can write a new album. I need some inspiration and Everton are killing my soul.

Gavin Johnson
12 Posted 26/11/2019 at 22:58:28
Does anyone know if he speaks English?? 65 seems rather old if the guy needs a translator. I'd be more inclined to go for Bielsa if we go down the senior citizen route.
John P McFarlane
13 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:06:38
Apologies to Steve Ferns in advance as this is meant to be a fun comment. I await with baited breath for Steve's 5 page dossier as to why Silva is better than Jesus!
Tony Twist
14 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:13:03
Too old, looks like he'll keel over at any minute. Still Kovac for me, ex-Munich manager, won the league and cup double with them and before that at Frankfurt got to two cup finals, winning one of them.

Sounds much more like it than the clowns that have been mentioned...even though Steve Ferns isn't keen!

Paul Birmingham
15 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:13:48
I’d like to see what the potential candidate for new manager must have in terms of his credential and acheivements in the game.

It looks like they’ll be more names in the frame, but surely this is Marco Silvas count down to the exit door after the Derby?

More and more it seems a temp, or will Farhad have to buy out an existing manager from his club?

It seems that Everton are one club who have a jettison fund for paying out their managers. Staggering monies wasted the last 3 years. Will the next appointment succeed, and do we all realistically believe that we can succeed as a club in the next 2 years?

Our criteria for success is now seemingly on staying up and making up the numbers in the EPL.

Let’s hope the board plan and prepare for the next manager.

Steve Ferns
16 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:14:10
Gavin, I believe he can speak English. Most Portuguese have an excellent command of the language.

John, I only need to point to his league cup at sporting and Silva's Portuguese FA Cup with more or less the same team.

But that's glossing over his time at Benfica when he won 3 titles and reasserted them as the best in Portugal after Mourinho started a dynasty for Porto.

And whilst his football was not great at sporting, he played to the strengths of the players he had, and I'm sure we all remember Angel di Maria destroying us with Benfica when Jorge was in the dugout and they played sensational football.

And yes, If you read this Jay, it does pain me to say that.

Mark Guglielmo
17 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:15:20
With all the respect due an older generation, I think the last thing Everton needs is a 65-year-old manager. Even putting that aside for a moment, what's he actually done to deserve the promotion based on merit? He's never coached, nor won anything, at a top flight league. Which makes him slightly less attractive an option than my man Arteta.

It's probably all academic anyway, this is just another rumor in a sea of sharks looking to capitalize on a football news story.

Steve Ferns
18 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:18:25
Mark, he just won the South American version of the champions league and the Brazilian league in his first season. It’s such a big deal they just gave him freedom of Rio Janiero. I think Jay Wood was saying they promoted him from “Jesus to God”. Something like that anyway.
Brian Ronson
19 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:23:46
Everton need a manager who has experience in Premiere League. Wenger as a short-term option should be considered until the end of season. Not as toxic as Moyes.After a or Benitez at the end of season for me
Steve Ferns
20 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:24:47
Brian, Wenger has a job. He’s off the market. He’s head of global football development for FIFA.
Mark Guglielmo
21 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:26:38
Steve @16 I know all of that; IMO it's still like winning a junior award. Take Inter to a CL Cup, or guide Leipzig to win the Bundesliga, or, you get my drift. I don't put a lot of stock in much outside the top 5 European flights.
Brian Williams
22 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:27:48
I have it on good authourity that this rumour is the result of a misunderstanding at boardroom level.

After hours of toing and froing between Moshiri and Kenwright Moshiri stormed out of the boardroom and went to his personal office.

He was misheard when, through tears of anguish he was heard from behind closed doors crying "Lord Jesus, save us."

Just goes to show how things can snowball!!!

Fran Mitchell
23 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:31:46
Mark, he just won the 'Libertadores' and 'Brasileirão' double. Flamengo winning the league for the first time in over a decade, and winning the Libertadores for the first time in over 30.

I know in modern times, anything that isn't the Premier League is considered 'inferior', but what he has done at Flamengo is testament of a manager who knows what he's doing.

I would be ok with this appointment. There is no need for a 'young' coach. Why? The idea of a young manager coming in, learning and developing, building a dynasty is as likely as Santa coming down a chimney at Goodison and giving Messi as a gift.

A 65-year-old manager who knows what is doing is better than a 40-year-old who doesn't.

We need someone to get us out of the rut, and make us respectable again.

And who knows, he could maybe attract Gabigol and Bruno Henrique with him.

Brian Wilkinson
24 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:35:45
Think we need more than Jesus to save this sorry bunch.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

25 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:38:32
Lots of laugh out loud comments and posts to enjoy in this thread.

Steve and I were playfully chatting about this just yesterday, not really believing it was a goer.

I don't have time to give this more attention right now, but when I can I'll detail why he isn't as awful as Steve paints him, correct some exceedingly ignorant posts some have presumed to make about JJ and just why this may truly have some legs and why it could work out very well for us if he does come to us.

Until the next episode...

Mat Smith
26 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:45:37
“Flamengo boss Jorge Jesus has taken a sly dig at Liverpool's Champions League final victory over Tottenham last June”

https://www.90min.com/posts/6503816-jorge-jesus-aims-dig-at-liverpool-s-champions-league-triumph-ahead-of-potential-flamengo-clash.

I like the sound of him already.

Steve Ferns
27 Posted 26/11/2019 at 23:46:32
Jay, perhaps you can enlighten us with some more of his antics. He’s an exceedingly eccentric manager. The fans of the teams he manages love him for the crazy shit he comes out with. He’s an absolute nutcase. As you said yesterday he’s pure entertainment for sure.

And yes, I definitely glosses over how good the football was for Benfica. He didn’t quite replicate that at sporting. He got more points than silva did and finished one place higher with largely the same side. Then sporting sold most of the side and he got inferior players and had one arm tied behind his back which stopped him from winning the league.

So yes, the guy is a legend in Portugal, depending on who you support. And his trophy haul is one of the best of all time for a Portuguese manager in Portugal. Mainly because he never really left until recently. He also got to two UEFA Cup finals.

If he brings Gabigol with him, we’d certainly have some fun. Just not Bas dost.

Phil Greenough
28 Posted 26/11/2019 at 00:14:38
Thanks for the insight, Jay.
Steve Brown
29 Posted 27/11/2019 at 00:21:37
He won’t have to turn water into wine, but he will have to put the shine on a turd.

As Brian says, if we are going for this profile then hire Wenger.

Stephen Davies
30 Posted 27/11/2019 at 00:30:12
Steve I watched that game against River Plate and tbh Flamengo weren't that good. They won because Gabigol made the most of the 2 opportunities he had. The opposition ran the game and were mugged. In all honesty for most of the game they were rubbish.

We're talking about the wrong Manager.

Jack Convery
31 Posted 27/11/2019 at 01:34:23
If Jesus is coming and the church constantly say he is, then a sign would be Gabigol not signing a permanent deal with Flamenco. His star is rising in the West - he's on loan to Flamenco from Inter and has scored 40 goals and makes Diego Costa look laid back. As for 3 wise kings, I leave that for others.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

32 Posted 27/11/2019 at 01:59:21
Got time now to reflect on Jorge Jesus.

Some basic facts to get out of the way first. He is an exceedingly fit 65-year-old, younger than both Pellegrini and Hodgson who manage in the PL. He won't be keeling over on the touchline any time soon as some flippantly believe.

He describes his English as 'beach English' and when I've heard him attempt English, it's barely comprehensible.

As Steve says, he isn't a statue on the touchline. He is pure box office. A complete nutter. He is just as likely to kiss a player on his head for doing something well, as grab him by his shirt and shout in his face for not following orders.

In 5 months at Flamengo, the fan base has gone from asking 'Who?' and 'Why?' to DRESSING like him as lookalikes in the match day crowd, as England supporters did with Southgate's waistcoat look at last year's WC. Such manager worship is not at all common. Every game, they sing for minutes on end 'Ole, ole, ole, ole - Mister! Mister!' in homage to him.

He had a modest career as a player before turning his hand to management. He was a natural. He worked his way up before becoming manager at the giant Lisbon club, Benfica. In the 6 seasons there he became their most successful trophy winning manager ever, 3 league titles (including their 1st back-to-back title successes in 31 years), 6 League Cups and two Super Cups.

He also reached two consecutive Euro League finals (they beat Juve in the semi-finals to reach one of them), dominated both games, but lost both (2-1 to Chelsea, on pens to Valencia).

Ironically, and extremely controversially, when Marco Silva left Sporting, Jesus 'crossed the park' to replace him. You can imagine how that went down with Benfica fans. Did it faze Jesus? Not at all. In his first Derby game his Sporting beat his ex-club 1-0 in the Portuguese Super Cup.

As a measure of his bottle, in the first league meeting between the two clubs at Benfica's stadium after the switch, watch the following video. He DELIBERATELY prowled his technical area for the full game, not once sitting down to shelter from all the debris and abuse the Benfica fans hurled at him.

His 'don't take a backward step' message translated to his team on the field: they stunned Benfica to lead 3-0 at half-time, which was also the final scoreline.

Link

Name a Blue who would not enjoy that swagger from an Everton manager, watching his team win 3-0 at Anfield.

Some of you might recall the reason he left Sporting a couple of seasons back. The truly obnoxious club President actively encouraged Sporting Ultras to descend on the club's training ground where Jesus and a number of players were attacked and the facilities vandalised, all just days before the Portuguese Cup Final which they duly lost.

As a result of this, many very good players terminated their contracts with the club and left with Sporting collecting a fee. (Wolves were one of the big beneficiaries of this).

Jesus spent a year in Saudi Arabia where his club were crowned champions.

The following is another video showing the intensity he brings to the game from the touchline. You first hear him berating a player on the far side of the pitch for not doing want he wants. You next see him laying down the law to our one-time target, the teenager Renier Jesus, IMMEDIATELY on pitch at the final whistle. Then 3-4 other Flamengo players stepping between Jorge Jesus and the player on the receiving end of a verbal lashing (this was in-game, during a drinks break). Protecting Gabigol from an opponent in-game. Tapping opposition players on the cheek. He is like this ALL the time.

Link

And you know what? The players LOVE him. What player doesn't like a manager who transforms them into champions? In that, he is similar to what some reported about the 'Howard's Way' movie, that the players said they would run through brick walls for HK.

As for some dissing his double at the weekend - winning Flamengo's only 2nd ever Libertadores (Latin America's CL equivalent) since 1981 and the time of the great Zico 38 years ago, and the Brazilian League (their 1st title in 10 years) - the competition is fiercer than some snobbishly presume.

It is nowhere near as high-scoring as the English PL as the following numbers show.

Following a poor start to this season with just 7 points from the opening 5 games, Flamengo sat 9th and were 6 points off the leaders, defending champions Palmeiras. Flamengo sacked the manager. A caretaker took charge for four games, but by game 9 Palmeiras had extended their lead over them to 8 points.

Enter Jesus just before the league shut down for a month as Brazil hosted the Copa America.

Portuguese coaches have not made an impression in Brazil, but in his 1st league game Jesus saw Flamengo thump mid-table Goias 6-1. Since then, their league record is P26 W 20 D 4 L 1 Pts 64 out of a possible 78.

An 8 point deficit swung around to a 12 point title winning advantage by game 34.

They equalled a league best of winning 8 consecutive games.

They have already equalled a league best of 81 points in a single campaign.

Their 25 wins in a single season is also a league best.

Their current goal difference of +43 is equal to the best ever recorded in the Brazilian League.

They need another 5 goals to add to their current 72 to record the most goals scored by any team in a single season.

Gabigol needs 2 more goals to his current 22 to register the highest return by a single goalscorer in a season. He has already surpassed the Flamengo club record of 21 by the legendary Zico.

All achieved in five short months under Jesus. They can improve on all of this with four games still to play.

Of course he will stay on with Flamengo for the World Club Championship in December, but then Brazilian football shuts down for a few weeks and his contract expires in May.

In the months of February, March and April there is the quirky State Championships clubs have to play. It is said Jesus has no appetite for such triviality and as I mentioned yesterday, even before this news broke, that, as well as he has done, there has already been talk that he wants to get back to Europe.

Contrary to what Steve says, his Benfica and Flamengo teams play an exciting high octane pressing game all over the pitch.

The FIFA World Club final concludes mid-December.

The source of this rumour is Portugal. They may have, as all media does, just joined the dots of different aspects of the Everton-Silva-Jesus situation and fabricated the whole thing. But it is a plausible rumour.

IF - a very big IF - there is anything in this and it comes to pass, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Jorge Jesus as some already have in this thread.

He would absolutely demand and command respect. He would quickly get the team organized. He wants his team to play in his character: Full throttle and IN YER FRIGGING FACE!

And if he did come, I would bet my bottom dollar he would be pushing Brands to land him Gabigol.

This could prove to be a very interesting development indeed. Or...not!

Nicholas Ryan
33 Posted 27/11/2019 at 02:42:05
And his reward, for taking his countryman's job ... 30 pieces of Silva! ...err, ok...
Jay Harris
34 Posted 27/11/2019 at 03:05:11
Jay,
you've brought me back to Jesus!!

In all seriousness we need a strong personality and experienced head to deal with this board and not tolerate Kenwright interfering.

I would be very happy with Ancellotti,Bielsa, Hiddink or Jesus from what you say about him.

And can those pushing Wenger please stop. He has gone on record as saying he would noy manage another premier league team out of respect for Arsenal. Now there is a man with principles.

Steve Brown
35 Posted 27/11/2019 at 03:42:49
Jay, if you offer Wenger enough salary and squad budget he will change his principles - money is the only principle in football. He hardly has teams queuing up to hire him.
Alan J Thompson
36 Posted 27/11/2019 at 04:11:43
Derek(#2); Jesus saves but Moshiri invests.
Drew O'Neall
37 Posted 27/11/2019 at 05:45:59
Mikel Arteta + Guus Hiddink.
Paul Hewitt
38 Posted 27/11/2019 at 05:51:52
Another no mark manager. This board must be the worst in football.
Derek Knox
39 Posted 27/11/2019 at 06:01:13
Thanks Jay for the link, he certainly looks like a character, something that has been lacking with us for a long time, his animations even when standing still were more than Silva produced all season. No quivering bottom lip, no teddy bear and no excuses.

Whether this has mileage or not, it has been a pleasant and amusing diversion from the present dire state of affairs.

Chris Mason
40 Posted 27/11/2019 at 06:17:46
I want this George chap. We might still be shit and lose, but at least we’d get our money’s worth watching him on the touch line.

Like a cross between Michael Bolton and Gordon Strachan

David Nicholls
41 Posted 27/11/2019 at 06:47:30
Yeah I was thinking Dyche but Jay has convinced me on Jesus
Geoff Trenner
42 Posted 27/11/2019 at 07:33:40
Water to wine - no problem
Raising the dead - easy
Walking on water - child’s play

Getting Everton to defend set pieces - ?

Brian Ronson
43 Posted 27/11/2019 at 07:45:03
Steve (20) thanks for putting me straight about Wenger. Principal still applies i.e we need someone who knows the Premiere League given our current position. I was suggesting either Arteta or Benitez at end of the season.
Colin Glassar
44 Posted 27/11/2019 at 08:22:05
Nothing against Jorge Jesus but this all smacks of desperation and chaos at board level.

Amateur hour rules the roost at Goodison with clueless Farhad being manipulated by scheming Bill who, apparently, still pulls the strings behind the scenes.

Moshiri just wants some Fancy Dan messiah who’ll give him the sexy football he desires. Bill just wants his beloved David back to stroke his ego and guarantee him mid-table mediocrity. Maybe both of these clueless fuckers should sod off!

Ken Kneale
45 Posted 27/11/2019 at 08:34:06
Colin I think we all recognise a very dysfunctional club at the top level as well as on the field of play. It is not good. Kenwright certainly got what he wanted in the end - an investor who would still let the train set be his - so much for the 24/7 searching - anyone with business acumen would run a mile. I was amused by one comment - I think it was Stve F saying the football would be por under Jesus - no change there then
Martin Berry
46 Posted 27/11/2019 at 08:46:31
Jay #32 Excellent post thank you for that.
Perhaps we will get a "messiah" after all ?.
John Graham
47 Posted 27/11/2019 at 08:47:16
Jesus NO
Average manager who's been around quite a while. Only had real success when managing Benfica in a mainly two team league.
No experience of the premier and probably just looking for a nice pension fund at the end of his career.
got to look for a young up and coming manager.
Dave Williams
48 Posted 27/11/2019 at 08:59:23
65?
No premier league experience?
Working in the Brazilian league?
Now where should I start. ??
Jerome Shields
49 Posted 27/11/2019 at 09:04:00
A nutcase may suit basket case Everton, run by nutters.
Dave Abrahams
50 Posted 27/11/2019 at 09:08:33
Regarding the alleged power struggle between Moshiri and Kenwright, how many directors are on the board, are there more than five?If there are only five then surely Silva has the majority and thus able to keep Kenwright and Professor Baxindale where they belong, on the outside looking in.Can’t be that simple can it?There must be more than five.
Ray Roche
51 Posted 27/11/2019 at 09:34:49
Before people start getting out of their tree remember that this is just a rumour. But let’s just kick shit out of the board anyway 😁
Let’s not let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Steve Ferns
52 Posted 27/11/2019 at 09:37:23
Dave I thought it was 4:
Denise BB;
Marcel Brands;
Bill Kenwright;
And Alex the Russian stooge.

Moshiri is not a director and uses his man to represent his wishes.

Tony Abrahams
53 Posted 27/11/2019 at 09:43:01
Some of us have wished that ToffeeWebs own George McKane, could go into the changing rooms before the game, and give the team some inspiration, and those clips of Jesus, remind me of George, so thanks for the links Jay!
Derek Knox
54 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:01:21
Steve F, is the Russian stooge allowed to phone a friend or only Moshiri, and can he do a fifty, fifty?

I wish to fuck he would ask the Audience! 😁😋

Joe O'Brien
55 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:08:38
What we don't need right now is another gamble which imo Jesus would be. We should go all out to get Rafa in. No gamble there because we all know he can cut it in the premiership.
Steve Ferns
56 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:09:17
Derek, I would suspect that our Russian friend is made of cloth and has a hole where Moshiri can insert his hand to operate him.

This is the official list of EFC directors and confirms the correct spelling of said Russian's name:Link

Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:12:46
More to this rumour because Brands definitely looks like Jorge’s love child.
Bob Parrington
58 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:17:22
OMG Jesus saves bullshit now. No barley loaves and fishes available. Also, no time to risk taking on board more Portuguese for our club. Damned determination to win and guts are what's needed from the new manager. A positive, genial personality would really help, too!

Just stop pissing bout and make a decision!

Jim Potter
59 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:25:53
Jay - thanks for an entertaining and informative posting.

An OAP head case with no PL experience and 'beach' English. Got to be an improvement for our joke club?

I love his passion, don't doubt his credentials with the clubs he's managed - but he seems a bit 'out there' for us at a time when we need a winner with a firm hand on the tiller.

We'd never be bored mind!

Derek Knox
60 Posted 27/11/2019 at 10:39:12
Tony @ 57, full marks for observation mate, but Brands has distanced himself from any such possible (out of wedlock) relationship to Jesus, claiming instead that he his indeed the 'Immaculate Conception'.
Dave McDowell
61 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:11:33
What about a cheeky approach tonight for a club descending into chaos and the services of one Mr. Carlo Ancelotti?

A winner, Prem experience, multilingual and likely to be available if Napoli crash out of CL.

Richard MacAlister
62 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:11:49
Why isn't Rafa being more strongly linked?
Les Moorcroft
63 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:15:42
Appears to me if we got pep some would say he's finished. If we got Jose he is crap. Any chance we will get someone we are all happy with. GOD. Don't want him either
Raymond Fox
64 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:18:36
At least we could say Jesus is an Evertonian!
Mike Doyle
65 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:33:18
Raymond. and to misrepresent the humourous signs that used to appear outside a church just off Edge Lane when I was a kid, we could have a banner stating.

"Jesus saves. and Niasse fluffs the rebound (again)"

Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:35:51
Steve (52), thanks for that. It would seem to me if that’s the case then it would be two - two in a vote, so Moshiri then picks the ball up and gives the nod to what he wants, it is his club.
Terence Connell
67 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:43:54
Jesus would be loved by the media. A headline writers dream but no big league experience. He’d probably end up being crucified by April.
Brian Williams
68 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:45:18
If Brands is the DOF I'd hope he'd have a very good idea for the next manager and I'd also hope Moshiri listened to him and him only tbh.
Steve Ferns
69 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:49:28
Dave, I could not see the board voting against the wishes of the owner. If Moshiri really wants Silva to stay he will keep him in place, despite what the board think. If he wants him to be sacked, then the board will carry out his wishes. Let's face it, DBB and BK will do nothing to jeopardise their seats in first class on the gravy train.
Steve Ferns
70 Posted 27/11/2019 at 11:53:12
Brian, this is nothing to do with Everton, but you may find it highly educational. It is an interview with Stuart Webber, Sporting Director / Director of Football at Norwich City talks about his job and explains it perfectly. If you listen to that you will note that he has two candidates lined up to take over from his manager at any time. He explains how he has to be ready, even in the good times, as manager could get ill, incapacitated or even die. It should answer any questions on the job and help you understand exactly what Brands does at Everton. Link
Brian Harrison
71 Posted 27/11/2019 at 12:06:28
The talk of boardroom splits seems nonsense to me Moshiri owns 77% and Kenwright 5%. Moshiri calls the shots no one else, yes he may consult with other board members but the buck stops with him. I don't remember to many people suggesting that Kenwright had persuaded Moshiri to sign Koeman or Allardyce or Silva. This mess is solely the responsibility of Farhad Moshiri.

Moshiri was also the one who brought in the idea of a DOF, seems he didnt learn from the debacle that was Steve Walsh, as he replaced him with Marcel Brands. Its a failed system that as far as I am aware has never been successful in this country. I read with interest today Ed Woodward the CEO of Man Utd saying he had a difference of opinion with Mourhino on certain transfers. So someone who has never ran a football team in his life has influence over a manager who is one of the most successful in World football, you just couldn't make this up.

So Moshiri if and when you sack Silva do yourself a favour and send Brands packing as well. Then appoint a manger who has the final say on all transfers in and out of the club. We are still none the wiser as to whose brilliant idea was it to sell Gana Gueye probably the most influential player in the team last season.

Dave Williams
72 Posted 27/11/2019 at 12:09:41
Jay- you’ve sold him to me. Sounds just like the hurricane we need to blow through the club and get everyone pulling for it.
Marcos English is not great so “beach” English may cut it!
Tony Everan
73 Posted 27/11/2019 at 12:10:30
Jay 32, thanks for that informative post.

Sounds a great character, but I would have reservations of him taking over a struggling club in the premier league mid winter and his English not good enough to communicate ideas freely. Could easily backfire.

Sounds like a manager that would need a good pre-season to acclimatize here and get his players drilled.

James Marshall
74 Posted 27/11/2019 at 12:17:11
So it's ether the second coming of David Moyes, or the second coming of Jesus.

Now I'm not a religious man, but I know who I'd prefer and it ain't our Davey.

I just read that Jesus only moved to Brazil and took over Flamengo in June, so what is it that we have to attract him to the North West, and the crumbling corpse of lowly Everton FC?

Answers on a postcard.

It's money isn't it.

Derek Knox
75 Posted 27/11/2019 at 12:47:30
"Beach English" — what the fuck is that?

"Were is the nearest bar?"

"I think that lady has the nice Bristols?"

"I have got sand in my ice-cream!"

"Life is a beach!"

"Why these foreigners not speak English?"

Think I get the drift! Or is it the tide?

Colin Glassar
76 Posted 27/11/2019 at 13:11:43
Can’t wait to sing, 🎵We all agree, Jesus walks on water🎵
Tony Abrahams
77 Posted 27/11/2019 at 13:13:35
A fella who speaks only a little bit of the lingo, might just be what we need, especially if he’s got the sense to stop over complimenting a very simple game, although the biggest problem might be finding another manager who is prepared to keep Duncan Ferguson on as the first team coach.
ian glassey
78 Posted 27/11/2019 at 14:11:27
The whole club from top to bottom is a joke. Silva should have gone week's ago, let Brands pick the next man because that's what he was employed to do. Just boyspen Billy out of it.
Mark Guglielmo
79 Posted 27/11/2019 at 14:37:24
Could you imagine if this Jesus fella were to stumble out of the gate?

He'd be crucified!

I'll see myself out.

James Hughes
80 Posted 27/11/2019 at 15:07:36
From what I see on here the man seems to be able and passionate for the game. We could certaily do with a bit more passion on the pitch and in the technical area.

One of the posts says he is a bit of a nutter. Fine by me, let the lunatic take over the ayslum. We need some fight on the pitch. we don't have bad players ( maybe Morgan sideways ) just get them playing. That may be a bit simplistic but is stilll thik the ols adage still applies

You have to fight for the right to play, before you can play

John Pierce
81 Posted 27/11/2019 at 15:25:39
I could do with an unknown like this guy, I mean a chap I don’t really have an opinion about.

I opposed, suffered the appointments from Martinez onwards. I started against all of them, until their demise.

It would be a welcome respite if I could root for someone please.

Ian Jones
82 Posted 27/11/2019 at 15:44:43
Geoff @ 42

Re 'Getting Everton to defend set pieces - ?'

Not sure how good he would be at improving us on that - crosses spring to mind :)

Bobby Mallon
83 Posted 27/11/2019 at 16:22:02
Steve ferns his football cant be any worse than Silvas and he has passion
Steve Ferns
84 Posted 27/11/2019 at 16:43:25
Erm, no thanks Bobby. I’d like a football managers money, but if it went less than perfect you’d find me jumping off the Runcorn bridge or sectioned.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

85 Posted 27/11/2019 at 16:52:43
Bit confused this morning logging onto TW to see my post in this thread presented as a standalone article, but I'll reply to comments here as it appears to be the more active thread of the two.

As the eds made clear at the top of the other thread they created, I am not promoting the idea of Jorge Jesus as the next Everton manager, or reporting that it's a done deal. I just offered a biog of the man as I am familiar with his work, having lived long-term in both Portugal and Brazil.

I felt honour-bound to correct some absurd superficial claims against the man by posters who clearly don't know him or the leagues or countries in which he has managed.

Now I've read some responses across both threads, I'd like to expand on some points.

First, the dismissive 'snobbism' to any leagues outside the major European leagues as a means to denigrate Jesus.

Yes, the Portuguese league has always been dominated by Benfica, Sporting and Porto. And what's so different in the last 20 years to the likes of the English PL, Spain's La Liga, the Bundesliga, Italy's Serie A and the French league? In the last 3 of those leagues, even before a ball is kicked, you can predict with confidence who will be champions.

The Brazilian league, by contrast, is fiercely competitive, with even the largest supported teams struggling to establish a dynasty and hold over 'lesser' clubs. There have been 10 different champions this century alone.

Flamengo, even as the biggest supported club nationwide (1 in 4 Brazilians are said to support them in a total country population of 210 million), have just recorded only their 2nd title in 27 years, only their second ever Copa Libertadores in 38 years. Jorge Jesus has ended that drought in 5 brief months, in a single weekend.

Palmeiras, another of Brazil's big four, had to wait 22 years to land the title again. Pele's Santos won 6 titles in 7 seasons in the 1960s with the Black Pearl. They've only won it twice since, the last 15 years ago.

The Brazilian league, then, is no 'gimme' as many of the lauded major European leagues are in which an exclusive cartel is pretty much guaranteed to land the title.

And Jorge Jesus isn't just ending Flamengo's trophy drought. He and the team are in the process of smashing almost every existing record in the league as my original post @ 32 points out.

I would also add that in the FIFA World Club Championship that only two confederations get preferential treatment and a bye to the semi-final stage: UEFA of Europe and CONMEBOL of South America. Clear evidence of how highly the region and its leagues are regarded by the footballing powers.

Now Steve Ferns and I both know Portuguese football well and are also both Sporting fans. It's good to see Steve (albeit grudgingly!) acknowledging Jesus is not as bad as he made him out to bit.

I was in Lisbon the night Benfica tanked us 5-0 with di Maria running riot against an admittedly injury-ravaged Everton. They did us 2-0 at Goodison, too. Plenty of Blues would have seen a very impressive Benfica rip us to pieces in both games.

Jesus could easily slip into the current Everton set-up as he favours a 4-1-3-2 or 4-3-3 formation. He doesn't neglect the defensive side as Steve suggests, but he most certainly does like to be on the offensive and play the game in the opposition's half.

Naturally, he made things difficult for himself by switching from Benfica to Sporting, but as one of the video links I shared shows, nothing fazes him. And he is SOOOO animated on the touchline. I struggle to liken him to anyone. Maybe a younger Martin O'Neil, or Gordon Strachen. But even they mellowed in later years. Not Jorge Jesus. He is full on mental every game. There are 30 and 40-year-olds who don't have the intensity and passion he brings at 65. That number is nothing to worry about.

With him, the players have no hiding place. They do it on the training game. They do it in game. Or they get hooked and don't play. Simple as. It is his way, or the highway. No compromise. EVER!

And sorry to do this to you Steve! But these are the comparative records of Silva's solitary season at Sporting and the following season under Jesus with, as Steve himself notes, pretty much the same players:

Silva: W 22 D 10 L 2 F 67 A 29 Pts 76 GD +38, Pos 3rd
Jesus: W 27 D 5 L 2 F 79 A 21 Pts 86 GD +58 Pos 2nd

Incredibly, Jesus' record that season remains Sporting's highest ever points return in the Portuguese league and would have won them the title most seasons, but they were pipped to the title by Benfica who registered there own highest ever points return (Jesus' ex-team, remember, just one year on).

Steve has a downer on Jesus because, as again he fairly notes, the barking Sporting President at the time (he insisted in sitting on the bench with the technical staff and subs every game) sold a load of players under him. As a result, Jesus completely modified Sporting's playing style and parked the Sequoia Tree aka as Bas Doost in the 'D' of the opposition penalty area and built the whole play around him, with the sole instruction of said Sequoia being to put the ball in the net. Sporting's football - and they have a heritage akin to our own 'School of Science' - was not, shall we say, aesthetically pleasing on the eye at this time.

There is some absurd statistic about Doost - an otherwise extremely limited player - scoring 70+ goals in his time at Sporting with a single touch, in the same way Jelavic did for Everton when he first arrived from Rangers.

Evidence of a limited coach, or a pragmatic one making the best of what he was left with?

His job with Flamengo will effectively be done and dusted before Xmas. Brazilian football effectively closes down until early February. The serious stuff only starts in May, by which time his contract with them will have expired.

Still only rumour and the only interest Brazilian media is reporting in him are offers from China. But he genuinely wants a shot back in Europe, admittedly with an established big club. But no obvious vacancies currently.

Pure speculation on my part, but a package which could see him installed at Goodison for the New Year and an insistence on bringing Gabigol with him (and the knowledge of future potential targets currently plying their trade in the Brazilian league) may not be the worst outcome for Everton in the coming weeks.

Dennis Stevens
86 Posted 27/11/2019 at 17:09:47
Whatever the club do next is a gamble, as always, but it would be great to see them be bold for once. I do think that football is one area of life where fortune really does often favour the brave. Do our Board have the necessary courage?
David Pearl
87 Posted 27/11/2019 at 17:17:12
Derek, 75.

“That’s the way to do it”

“Three strikes for a teddy bear”

“Can you rub this cream on for me”

I’m also confused how beach English works but he might find those phrases useful.

Anthony Murphy
88 Posted 27/11/2019 at 19:04:44
Jay, thanks for the detailed analysis. I am genuinely intrigued by this possibility based on what you’ve said - especially given some of the names banded about. Age simply doesn’t matter - too many examples of great managers over the years of a similar vintage.

The club needs a fire lighting under it and maybe a nutter like this will liven things up. Managers have a short life span, so a few short years with this guy at the helm would at least bring some much needed entertainment and a few memories. We are desperate for something to ‘happen’ aren’t we. I’d be keen on Bielsa for similar reasons. Importantly, we may find it easier to keep our Portuguese speaking players happy (and not looking to leave) whilst potentially bringing a couple of very useful players with him?

He wouldn’t be top of my list, but I’m open to it.

Bobby Mallon
89 Posted 27/11/2019 at 21:42:07
Just get him and light the blue touch paper.
Stu Gore
90 Posted 27/11/2019 at 21:47:53
Bloody awful barnet though. Looks entertaining enough. Football to match and I’m in.
Stephen Davies
91 Posted 27/11/2019 at 22:06:44
Jay,

I did have my reservations about Jorge (especially about his 'Beach English')... but judging by his actions and passion I think that this can be overcome and this passion can be transferred to the players.

You have convinced me and his passion and enthusiasm will lift the whole club as well as the fans which is exactly what we need.

It is of course a gamble (can we afford such a gamble at this stage?) If it pays off it may just well transform this club, if not it could well be a disaster.

On another note, I see Dortmund lost tonight and Favre is under quite a bit of pressure at the moment. The next few weeks will be very interesting.

Bob Parrington
92 Posted 27/11/2019 at 22:18:59
Jay Wood #32. I by-passed this because it looked too long and I was busy. Just read it and your detailed analysis makes the guy J(h)esus look like a great contender. Like the "balls and all" character!
Dave Southword
93 Posted 27/11/2019 at 22:22:15
Let's give the guy a go, I was encouraged by the Silva appointment but he hasn't quite turned out as hoped - could say the same about a lot of the players too.

We've tried most things, so we might as well try a loon like Jorge Jesus.

Alan J Thompson
94 Posted 28/11/2019 at 04:06:54
If as Jay(#85) says this bloke believes that attack is the best form of defence, brings some of Brazil's best with him and starts each press conference with, "No speeky dee Engleesh" then I think he's well worth taking a chance even if he does upset some who don't like excitable touchline antics. And it seems he doesn't mind a short term (possibly rolling) contract.
Phil Smith
95 Posted 28/11/2019 at 04:12:31
Excellent coach who plays exciting, attacking football. What's not to like? Not sure about his level of English though...
Sam Hoare
96 Posted 28/11/2019 at 11:37:42
Jay@85, you got me. I'm aboard the Jesus train!

Seriously though I do think he may be one of the better options in terms of people available in the short term. Some of my fave picks are highly un likely to move till this summer and I don't like the idea of an interim being given half a season.

Give Silva to new year. Or Unsworth if Leicester and the derby go to bits. Tell Jesus to cancel xmas so he can learn English in a week or two and then perform an even bigger miracle by getting this Everton team into the top 7.

Steve Ferns
97 Posted 28/11/2019 at 11:38:01
Jay, Silva won the Portuguese FA Cup in his only season there, whilst Jorge Jesus won the Charity Shield (because Silva won the Cup) and the League Cup and this was in 3 seasons. But yeah, everything you said is correct.

I see some are wrongly referring to his name. He's Portuguese not Spanish. so in the same way it is Jose Mourinho and not "Ho-say" Mourinho, it's not "hor-hay hey-sus", his name is "Georgie Jay-sus" with the "su" part pronounced like the name "Sue". But as my Portuguese is "Beach Portuguese" (great phrase I'm not forgetting that one) I'll gladly defer to Mr Wood if he disagrees.

Adolf Ng
98 Posted 28/11/2019 at 13:10:23
Well, we certainly need Jesus to save this season...St. Marco is surely not good enough...
Steve Ferns
99 Posted 28/11/2019 at 14:59:48
Jesus says he's going nowhere until May and his focus is on Flamengo and that he wants to enjoy the moment.

Link

I certainly don't think he will go anywhere before the World Club Cup.

Mark Andersson
100 Posted 28/11/2019 at 04:16:56
What's the big deal about Jesus not speaking English? The sacked Poch was very limited with his English when he first came over...
Neil Morrell
101 Posted 29/11/2019 at 07:22:31
I doubt that anyone will agree with me, and understand that a torrent of criticism is likely to follow, but .

The best football we have played since the first Kendall era has been under Martinez. Given more time, and a strong (and probably obligatory defensive coach along side him), he'd be my choice above all other possibilities.
Keith Gleave
102 Posted 29/11/2019 at 12:59:17
Now Emery has gone, Jesus is mentioned in connection with them. With the amount of managers who may be under threat we need to move if we are after a particular individual
Mads Kamp
103 Posted 29/11/2019 at 13:01:53
Seven words from the Bible: Unai Emery is available. Get him now!
Bobby Mallon
104 Posted 30/11/2019 at 05:35:29
Slaves bilic anyone
Robert Williams
105 Posted 30/11/2019 at 14:35:43
We once had Gabriel, now were looking to Jesus - get the Holy Ghost and that will be the second coming of the Holy Trinity.

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