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Niasse determined to stay in the top fight

| Sunday, 19 January 2020 96comments  |  Jump to last
Oumar Niasse appears to have his heart set on remaining in the Premier League amid reports that he has turned down loan moves to two Championship outfits this month.

Everton had apparently agreed a six-month loan deal with promotion-chasing Leeds United this month but the striker rejected it.

Now there are reports that Niasse has turned his nose up at a move to Nottingham Forest until the end of the season.

Niasse is in the last six months of a 4½-year contract with Everton and can leave the club in the summer. Marcel Brands is keen to get his salary off the wage bill for the next six months, however, and is therefore trying hard to secure him a loan deal before the transfer deadline.

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Denis Richardson
1 Posted 19/01/2020 at 10:41:03
Niasse really does sound like the footballer who doesn’t like football all that much and just views the game as a pay cheque. Which is fair enough, each to his own. We were stupid enough to offer him a 4.5 year contract paying £2.5m a year.

As soon as he put ink to paper he knew he’d hit the jackpot. Feet up and make sure you get to training on time so can’t be in breach of contract and watch the bank balance grow.

Blame the player all you want but we basically signed him off the back of a couple of YouTube vids and some dodgy report in a Russian mag.

Very poor and not the first time we haven’t done proper research on a player. Amazing how many tens of millions we’ve wasted on panic buys over the years. Worryingly we just don’t ever seem to learn.

Not saying. Can would be a panic buy mind. He’s certainly better than what we have now.

Phil Sammon
2 Posted 19/01/2020 at 11:09:57
Denis, a really unfair assessment of Niasse in my opinion. For all his shortcomings he has always given his all. He’s been messed around by the club and hasn’t thrown his toys out of the pram like 99% of footballers would. He’s not going in the hall of fame, but he seems a good lad who deserves more respect than you’re giving him.
Len Hawkins
3 Posted 19/01/2020 at 11:55:16
I'm surprised Bobby Brown Shoes hasn't got Niasse a Belgian passport so highly does he obviously think about him. £13mill +nearly as much again in wages for what?? He may have the right attitude but I suppose Belfitt, Harper, Biley, Angell had the right attitude but like Niasse a complete lack of ability as a PL striker. I'd rather pay a lower league striker that money a'la Vardy Kane Alli. To me it just shows the absolute stupidity in Football today fantasy wages for fantasy ability.
Steve Shave
4 Posted 19/01/2020 at 12:54:09
Surely Simms would be a better option off the bench than Oumar?? yes yes I hear some of you say he isn't ready blah blah but he's a strong lad and would really benefit from the experience, Greenwood getting his chance and hes younger than Simms.
Steve Ferns
5 Posted 19/01/2020 at 13:11:50
Steve, the isn't ready stuff was at the start of the season. He has developed like you would want. At the start of the season it was a big step up. He could not just run away from defences like in the u18s, he was not just stronger than everyone. Now he's learnt better movement and positioning, his finishing has improved. If we can move Niasse on, then Ellis Simms will be on the bench soon.
Brian Wilkinson
6 Posted 19/01/2020 at 13:51:28
Steve,you have a decent knowledge of youngsters and first teamers along with stats, so if you have any free time and fancy either adding here or creating a new post, what us Blues would find a good read would be all the players we have out on loan, first teamers like Schnids, Walcott, Siggy etc who need replacing.

How long do those players contracts run for, It could then give us an idea when we can release the players and get them off our wage bill.

Nice if all their contracts ended in the Summer with the players out onloan like Sandro, Bolasie etc.

Joe McMahon
7 Posted 19/01/2020 at 14:18:39
I remember Niasse saving Koeman with 2 goals when losing at home to Southampton. His first was hit like a bolt.
Simon Harrison
8 Posted 19/01/2020 at 16:03:42
Hi Brian, here is an article that Paul the Esk did about the majority of what you have asked @Steve Ferns;

Have a read and see what you think. For me it highlights that Carletto will have to wait till next summer, before we can start a serious overhaul; dependent of course on what Marcel can do in the interim.


Robert Tressell
9 Posted 19/01/2020 at 16:15:40
Top flight in Scotland maybe...
Bill Gall
10 Posted 19/01/2020 at 16:51:00
may be if you were a top flight footballer you would get your wish.
Colin Glassar
11 Posted 19/01/2020 at 17:24:11
Top flight? NASA is recruiting.
Soren Moyer
12 Posted 19/01/2020 at 17:36:48
He ain't going anywhere soon lol.
Steve Shave
13 Posted 19/01/2020 at 17:44:00
Phil (2) with respect I'm inclined to agree more with Denis. Ok so we don't really know what's going on at FF but this fella has barely kicked a ball all season, he has been given an opportunity to run down his contract with us, still pick up his pay check and get some much needed game time for a high flying championship team where he could potentially score goals and increase confidence. Leeds and Forest would have been good options for him. Instead he has chosen to kick his heals at FF. We don't know the ins and outs of it (and I'm sure he's a top lad an all) but this decision tells us quite a lot about him if you ask me.
Brian Wilkinson
14 Posted 19/01/2020 at 17:48:15
Cheers Simon that’s great, will have a read through.
Jim Bennings
15 Posted 19/01/2020 at 17:54:00
Clearly we have major limitations in the youth coming through as strikers when Oumar Niasse is somehow still being wheeled out to fall, stumble and arse banjo his way into the penalty box.

Bad times when we still have to rely on players that look like they should have been turfed our three years ago.

Andy Crooks
16 Posted 19/01/2020 at 18:07:07
Well said, Jim. It Is appalling that this useless, utterly useless sack of shit is lauded because he tries. He is as bad as any one who has ever worn the shirt and he earns millions.
Anthony Hawkins
17 Posted 19/01/2020 at 18:20:44
Interestingly there was a report about a top Liverpool footballer who his team mates didn’t rate in training but who came alive on the pitch. Niasse seems to follow a similar mould. Training seems to be what puts managers off but on the pitch he often scores goals when no other striker can.

For all the noise and acrimony he’s survived far longer than many of our other top tier players.

Steve Ferns
18 Posted 19/01/2020 at 18:21:16
Jim, we have some talents coming through, they’re just a little too young right now. The problem was the likes of Fraser Hornby and Bassala Sambou were not good enough and the former is on loan and the latter was given a free transfer.

Hornby is 20. He scored 13 in 17 for the u18s, but he found it harder at u23 level getting 8 on 29. In Belgium he has 3 in 10 for a struggling side.

Bassala Sambou is 22. He was the lad we bought from Coventry. He played for our u23s for 3 seasons and scored 17 goals in 52 games. In the Dutch top flight, where he plays for Fortuna Sittard, he’s scored just 2 from 17.

Ellis Simms has just turned 19 (same age as Moise Kean). The lad was prolific for the u18s scoring 36 from 38. He has stepped up to u23s properly this season. He has 7 from 15. So his pure goal scoring stats are better than either of the above. However, factor in that all 7 goals have come in the last 10 games. He didn’t score, and struggled in the first 5, as he had to find his feet and adapt. He had clearly stepped up a level and now he’s stepped his game up too. I think Simms will be training with the first team before long.

In the u18s we have Tom Cannon. 17 year old Tom has 11 goals in a total of 9 games. He’s our number 9.

Lewis Dobbin is also a forward and can play number 9, but he’s better on the left wing cutting inside like Richarlison. He has 6 goals from 10 games. However he’s already played for the u23s at the age of 16. Now he’s 17 we’ve tied him down to a professional deal.

There’s got to be hope that these three kids can come through. They all look exceptional. Tom Cannon a bit less so as he’s a pure goalscorer rather than a lad with a box of tricks or exceptional talent, but he can’t stop scoring and that’s the most important thing.

Everton u18 just drew 1-1 with Fulham. Their scorer was Cole Palmer. He has 14 for the season putting him ahead of our Tom (3rd top scorer in the league). Palmer is not even Fulham’s top scorer though. That honour goes to Jay Stansfield who has a staggering 18 in 10! Might be worth keeping an eye on him. He’s an Exeter lad and his dad died tragically young and he’s come through the Exeter youth system before being transferred to Fulham last summer.

Our own Ellis Simms scored 32 in 21 league games last season, and another 5 in 4 cup games. So, we already have an ultra-prolific young striker. One who just needs time to adapt to the level each time he steps up.

Tony Abrahams
19 Posted 19/01/2020 at 18:31:43
His survival is nearly over!
Mike Gaynes
20 Posted 19/01/2020 at 18:47:11
Great info, Steve #41, thanks.

I've always wondered why Niasse didn't generate the same sort of affection from our fans as Stracqualursi. Both essentially the same player -- ferocious, heart-on-the-sleeve triers but essentially bereft of talent. Neither one remotely qualified to wear a blue shirt. Yet the Strac was (and remains) a cult hero, while Oumar is pretty much a curse word.

Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 19/01/2020 at 18:50:56
Tony (19), another five and a half years and he would have been due a testimonial !!!
Tony Abrahams
22 Posted 19/01/2020 at 19:00:39
We should all get testimonials for having to pay money to watch him play Dave.

Kenny Smith
23 Posted 19/01/2020 at 19:11:57
Absolutely the worst player in the first team squad and that’s saying something. I get that he tries when selected but I’d try twice as hard as him if I was in the team but I’d still be shite.
Whoever scouted him needs sacking and if it was Walsh then he needs sacking again !
Jay Evans
24 Posted 19/01/2020 at 19:17:24
Couldn’t trap a bag of cement.
Dave Abrahams
25 Posted 19/01/2020 at 19:18:21
Kenny (23), you are right about Walsh, he deserves more than sacking, a lot more, but it wasn’t him who scouted Niasse, Niasse was signed by Martinez, don’t know who the scout was but I think he used a white stick to get around.
Jim Bennings
26 Posted 19/01/2020 at 19:28:35

Probably because Straq came to the club when we didn’t have a pot to piss in and was only here on a one season loan.

It’s doubtful whether most fans would have still taken to him so fondly if Moyes had splashed out £13 million quid on a bloody donkey!!

Andy Crooks
27 Posted 19/01/2020 at 20:58:37
Jim, agree again.( why are you talking so much sense, i.e agreeing with me). Niasse is, in my view, the worst signing we have ever made. £ 55 k a week, is obscene for a truly shit footballer who could not play in the Irish league.
The legacy of relegation Roberto, the worst coach who ever earned a living at football.
Neil Copeland
28 Posted 19/01/2020 at 22:14:06
Should be first name on the tesmsheet
Geoff Lambert
29 Posted 19/01/2020 at 22:14:28
Andy, the worst coach?? You on the ale again?
James Stewart
30 Posted 19/01/2020 at 22:34:10
If it's true he rejected Leeds then Niasse is an idiot.

He really shouldn't be getting any minutes in the team but we have all be saying this for years now!

Andrew James
31 Posted 19/01/2020 at 22:45:46
Still not entirely sure why we even bought him.

I seem to recall in January 2016 we had Lukaku and his deputy was Kone (yeah, I know) but Niasse did not fit the Martinez remit.

If I cast my mind back, this was a month before Moshiri came in and when it was clear the Martinez era was soon to end given our league form – despite the cup semis. It seemed a strange signing at the time and it only, once again, reflects badly on the Board who sanctioned it.

As to the man himself... he's wasted his prime years as a striker with us. 4 years. After Koeman's behaviour, you'd think he would have found a way out. But maybe he and his agent realise this was his golden ticket?

This is the problem you have with long and lucrative contracts. If the player comes in and tanks, the club is lumbered, as with Schneiderlin.

I'm fast going off January transfers with signings like Tosun, Walcott, Schneiderlin, Niasse, McGeady et al...

Anthony Jones
32 Posted 19/01/2020 at 23:02:10
Absolutely not his fault that we wasted a small fortune on him, but he deserves no praise for trying. It's all he has. Utter shite, and he should go out on loan at the level he belongs at.
Jerome Shields
33 Posted 19/01/2020 at 00:02:31
I initially hoped that Niasse would turn the corner and perform to a high level. He seemed to be heading in right direction, until the ban. It looked as if he had made it with Silva's appointment, having been loaned out to Hull City, but he did not put the work in pre-season and never figured after that.

He probably thinks he can retire come the Summer, he does not seem to want to continue his career.

How did Everton ever sign Naisse? I just looked at his scoring record before joining Everton. . .

Kristian Boyce
34 Posted 20/01/2020 at 00:06:32
Even the manager who bought him, Roberto Martinez wouldn't even play him — tells you how bad he was.

I bet he rejected Leeds as he knew that, with Bielsa, he would actually have to put a shift in. After 4 years of doing nothing, it would be a total wake up call for him. He's happy to see out his contract here with the U23s and have an easy life.

Jim Harrison
35 Posted 20/01/2020 at 02:58:15
He's only got 6 months left; he could join a Championship team then and pick up a signing-on fee for himself. He can go anywhere.

Not his fault that he was given a good contract and his club fleeced ours over the fee, but I wish he would bugger off!! A waste of wages and space on the bench.

He tries. Nice guy. Great attributes for a Sunday league player.

Mike Gaynes
36 Posted 20/01/2020 at 03:37:15
Andy #27, he's currently the coach of the #1 team on the planet.

So there's an off-chance he might not be quite the worst ever.

Jim Harrison
37 Posted 20/01/2020 at 03:54:15
Mike 36

He also has the best win % of the last 3 Everton managers before Carlo, the highest points total for a season not to qualify for top 4.

But his transfer record is patchy!! For every Lukaku there’s a Niasse!

Mike Gaynes
38 Posted 20/01/2020 at 04:55:36
Jim #37, let's be honest, Roberto was an absolute nightmare as a club manager. In addition to Rom and Niasse, he signed (in roughly descending order) Barry, Holgate, McCarthy, Deulofeu, Funes Mori, Lennon, Kone, Besic, Cleverley, McGeady, Eto'o, Galloway, Robles, Tarashaj, Alcaraz, Leandro Rodriguez, and a goalkeeper named Stanek. That latter dozen would have looked right at home in a clown car at the circus. Roberto's eye for talent qualified him for a white cane and a seeing-eye dog.

What Roberto could do, and still can do, is coach talent -- in training and on the pitch. He got more quality play out of Rom, Barkley, Stones, Deulofeu, Macca, Mirallas and Funes Mori than anyone else before or since. And he coached Barry to play the best football of his life at age 34.

That's why he's succeeding so brilliantly for Belgium right now. He doesn't have to manage a club. He just has to coach players. If he's smart he'll stick with coaching national teams for the rest of his life. And never, ever go back to a club.

Alan J Thompson
39 Posted 20/01/2020 at 05:50:44
I wonder what sort of agent Niasse has or what the circumstances of him rejecting loans to Leeds and Forest were? I assume that whatever they were going to pay him then Everton would have made up the pay difference until his contract ends after this season? And to me, I'd have thought he would have agreed if they would have been willing to offer him a 1- or 2-year deal starting next season.

I don't know his current personal circumstances but he had said before that he wanted to be near his wife in Manchester but driving from there to Leeds wouldn't take a great deal longer than Formby to Finch Farm.

Jim Harrison
40 Posted 20/01/2020 at 07:20:42
Mike 38

Correct. Actually a decent coach. But he took over as manager. Needed a sting DOF to say no!!!

Daniel A Johnson
41 Posted 20/01/2020 at 08:10:30
A 4½-year contract on an unproven player from the Russian league. The mind boggles... should have been 3 years max.

The Niasse transfer, both the acquisition, negotiation for salary, and duration of contract, plus the subsequent handling of the player, tell me that Everton FC have no idea when it comes to player transfers.

Then throw Sandro into the mix on over £100k a week – we genuinely have no idea at all.

Brian Williams
42 Posted 20/01/2020 at 08:44:02
Daniel. Sandro's NOT on over £100k a week. He's on £65k a week mate.
Daniel A Johnson
43 Posted 20/01/2020 at 09:41:10
Oh well... all's well, Brian.

Worth every penny, lol!!

Simon Smith
44 Posted 20/01/2020 at 11:23:37
Niasse isn't even half the player that Lewis Grabban at Nottm Forest is (despite the awful beard). Why he sees himself as Premier League quality, I will never know.
Christine Foster
45 Posted 20/01/2020 at 12:39:24
Niasse was a bad call to buy, no doubt about it, but let's not forget that the club, and Koeman in particular, treated him like shit: no courtesy, no locker, no chances... but can you blame him for wanting to get the most out of it?

He has his pride and we trampled it into the gutter. He kept his end of the deal up even if the club didn't. Never good enough but never stopped working, on that he could not be faulted. It was a poor transfer of an average player who we treated badly because we got it wrong.

Having said all that, he should have taken the Leeds deal because, when he is out of contract, there won't be a line of Premier League clubs waiting to pick him up. Sometimes, you have to cut your losses and move on... he should've.

Steve Ferns
46 Posted 20/01/2020 at 12:58:17
Agreed, Christine.
Bill Gienapp
47 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:00:47
I'm so glad the Niasse era is finally drawing to a close at the end of the season. I'm tired of talking about him, I'm tired of the way he's hung around the club like a bad rash you can't get rid of.

He kept his chin up and played a key role in the dismal Koeman - Allardyce season, but enough is enough. Naturally he turns his nose up at a loan move, ensuring we're stuck with him to the bitter end. Just leave already.

Steve Ferns
48 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:09:10
Exactly Bill. imagine if he had gone, this weekend we'd have seen Ellis Simms make his debut as it would have been him on the bench. I don't think he could have done any less than Niasse did.
Dave Abrahams
49 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:10:15
Christine (45), yes agree with most of that except maybe the Leeds bit. I understand it, showing himself and playing for another contract, but maybe he would put more clubs off than attract, with his limited ability?

Although I wouldn't mind betting he will get another club to sign him with a very good signing-on fee and decent wages.

Daniel A Johnson
50 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:15:23
Niasse is only interested in money. This refusal to go on loan to Leeds under Bielsa no less tells me he wants an easy life at EFC doing nothing and collecting his fat wads of cash.

He will only have one career and instead of playing football (something he should be craving to do) and getting fit and putting himself in the shop window, he would rather hide away in his nice little comfort bubble picking up his salary at Finch Farm.

Let's all feel sorry for the multi-millionaire Oumar Niasse hey...….

He might not have a locker but our bench has a massive arse print which has well and truly worn in by him sitting on it for 4 years.

Steve Ferns
51 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:18:58
He's about to turn 30 in a couple of months. You think he'd want to get some games? His contract expires in the summer. If he went to Leeds and did well, they might sign him up next season, and that should be Premier League football.
Jay Wood

52 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:30:23
Carlo's presser just starting.


Richarlison and Sigurdsson still out for Tuesday. Michael Keane still not 100%, but likely to be in the squad.

Steve Ferns
53 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:32:44
Cheers Jay. Gutted about Richarlison, we missed him badly.
Mike Gaynes
54 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:34:08
I just gotta point out one stark fact here -- when it comes to a striker's first job, putting the ball in the net, Niasse is way better than most of us think.

He has a scoring rate for Everton of a goal every 163 minutes, the exact same rate he had in Russia. By way of comparison, Richarlison's Everton scoring rate is one every 214 minutes.

Our best striker of recent decades, Lukaku, scored a goal for us every 161 minutes, and for his Prem career averages a goal every 168. For this season alone, Calvert-Lewin is producing a goal every 156 minutes.

The numbers say that, for all his awkwardness and lack of skills, Niasse ain't all that bad.

Brian Wilkinson
55 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:37:37
Simon@8 thank you for the link from Paul the Esk in regards to players' contracts.

After reading this and seeing our wage bill is at 85% of turnover, it is a very worrying read of players we will still have to pay after this summer.

I cannot see how we can possibly go on another big spending spree with the 3-year turnaround with FFP.

With the exception of Niasse and Tosun, I cannot see us shifting any of the others on, so adding new players and wages on top of what we already have is going to be pushing it, if we cannot add the £30 Million from Usmanov to our income, even then we have to show a profit, so with no transfer fees coming in apart from loan deals, I cannot see how we can make a few signings, without going over our FFP limit.

Jay Wood

56 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:38:18
To a specific question about transfers, and in particular Can, he first said, "No news today."

When pressed again, he said: "As I said last week all the names in the newspapers are wrong. All the names on Sky are wrong."

Jay Wood

57 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:40:39
No warm weather training jolly for the players this year during this so-called winter break.

"We have excellent facilities at Finch Farm. I don't want to and there is no need to travel the world to train."

Jim Harrison
58 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:53:49
Sorry Mike @54,

That's some beautifully dressed-up stats. And I am a big stat fan!

But are you serious in this? He's awful. He has got a few goals, so has Shane long, Chris Wood and others that we wouldn't countenance signing. Kobe, he got a hat trick.

He is of course good enough to play the fame for money, but for the wages we pay him? At the level he thinks he is capable of playing at?? What did he do at Cardiff when given the chance? Bugger all.

His highlight at Everton was bailing Koeman out when Walsh buggered up the replacement of Lukaku. That was 3 years ago!!!

Brian Wilkinson
59 Posted 20/01/2020 at 13:57:56
Instead of a day off due to no cup game, I would get those who are stealing a living out of the club, and the majority of those who did not turn up at Anfield, decked out in their kit to join Speedo Mick that day on his charity walk.

I would certainly make a point that losing a cup tie does not mean you will get a week in warmer summer camps. Maybe then next season, we might see a bit more effort, rather than rewarding them with a trip abroad.

Steve Ferns
60 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:14:22
Mike, I've done an article on the other strikers, but left Niasse out of it. His stats are not bad at all. He tends to get more than 3 shots off per 90 minutes, slightly more than Calvert-Lewin; his key passes per 90 are better than Calvert-Lewin's.

However, he hasn't scored a league goal for 2 seasons and his xG shows him to be wasteful.

When you drill down on his career stats (all Premier League stats plus his last season in Russia) it reveals that he is a bad finisher:

16 shots in the 6-yard box = 4 goals. xG is 6.04 which shows he missed the equivalent of 2 open goals.
94 shots in the penalty area = 13 goals. xG is 15.77, which is the equivalent of missing almost 3 open goals.
29 shots from outside the box = 3 goals. xG is 1.44, which shows he scored speculative efforts that were difficult to score.

It's the stats inside the box that give concern. This is the striker's bread and butter.

The main problem I have with Niasse, other than the fact he looks like Bambi on Ice at times with zero coordination, is that he has zero awareness of what's around him, and once he gets the ball, it's like Niasse v the opposition on his own.

Jim Harrison
61 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:23:58
Steve @60,

That's along way around saying not good enough!!

Simon Smith
62 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:29:53
Was Oumar's debut coming on in the 700-something minute at 2-0 up, then us losing 3-2 at home? I know that can't be blamed completely on him... but it's certainly not a good omen from the get-go.
Mike Gaynes
63 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:32:43
Steve #60, yep, and even the eyeball test shows him to be a lousy finisher. But if he scores that often while being that crappy in the box, it means he apparently has a remarkable ability to find chances. Could be that relentless work rate, could be instinct or anticipation -- probably a combination -- but he clearly gets into a lot of good positions.

We know he's been working with Calvert-Lewin, and maybe some of his teaching has rubbed off, because Calvert-Lewin has dramatically improved in what was previously a major weakness in his game -- anticipating chances.

Jim #61, he's definitely not good enough -- but he's also not the quivering pile of crap that so many here describe.

Jim Harrison
64 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:34:27
Mike G,

You been smoking some craaaaazy shit if you think it's Niasses training with Calvert-Lewin that's helped him.

Steve Ferns
65 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:39:07
Mike, I cannot remember a single example of Niasse anticipating a chance. The majority of his goals that I can remember came from his work ethic, harassing defenders, robbing them, getting on the end of loose balls and then putting it into an empty net or past the stranded keeper.

I know Unsworth said that Niasse worked on movement with Calvert-Lewin, but we are talking 4 PL2 games back in 2016. If Niasse is that good a teacher though, why not sign him up as a coach, because he's not an elite-level footballer, that's for sure.

Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:40:38
Simon (62), I think Oumar's first game was in the cup at Bournemouth when we won 2-0, not sure about his league debut.

He's not very good, goes without saying, but I prefer him to Tosun and, let's be honest, both of them have got fantastic agents!!!

John Hammond
67 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:41:19
I don't blame Niasse turning down a Championship club when he's still getting games from the bench at a Premier League club...
Mike Gaynes
68 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:43:26
Jim #64, seems Rhino Unsworth has been smoking some of that same shit, because he says Oumar helped Calvert-Lewin a lot and has more recently been doing the same with Ellis Simms:

“When Oumar worked with us previously when he was out of favour, he worked with Dominic Calvert-Lewin and the two of them together, for that six-month period, were outstanding. I'm sure if you asked Dominic, that period, working with Oumar, his honesty, his movement, his never-say-die attitude was something Dominic would take a lot from in his development.

“It's the same with Ellis. Ellis is new to this group so we've had him watch Oumar a little bit, then we've had him playing alongside him. I cannot speak highly enough of Oumar.”

Jim Harrison
69 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:45:14
Steve 65

True. But he is nowhere near good enough to be near the bench of a club with the aspirations that Everton have.

Stats can be manipulated one way or the other, but here is a question that should indicate whether he is worth having around, would any club in the top 6 to 8 in the table currently take him off us, even on a free? Not a chance!! Aside from his wages, he simply isn't a good enough player.

James Hughes
70 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:46:29
Mike, I think you are being a bit naughty there. a clear case of "there are lies, damn lies and statistics".

One goal every 163 minutes sounds amazing in theory but he is very rarely in the starting eleven.

Translate that to something say like-He's given the last 15/16 minutes of games we are chasing or closing out. Then that is one goal every ten games, not so good.

On his contract, we gave to him, we should honour it, in my opinion.

Dave Abrahams
71 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:48:11
Mike (68), it would be better to keep our eyes on Rhino, Oumar, Dominic and Ellis Simms, maybe they are all on the happy gear.
Mike Gaynes
72 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:49:49
Dave and Simon, if you want to get granular about it, Niasse did have brief sub appearances against Bournemouth in the cup tie (9 minutes) and Aston Villa in the league (2 minutes) before the West Ham game Simon is talking about, when Oumar came on at 76 minutes and we then gave up three quick goals to lose. That was the Mirallas red card game.
Dave Abrahams
73 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:52:57
Thanks Mike (72)
Mike Gaynes
74 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:54:07
Steve #65, he wouldn't take the pay cut!!

As I said before, definitely not good enough -- but definitely not a steaming shit pile either.

Jim Harrison
75 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:58:53
Mike 68

So, Niasse has been helping Calvert-Lewin with his headers?

Sorry, Rhino can say whatever in the papers, we have watched this guy, on and off, for 4 seasons. He just isn't good enough.

Steve Ferns
76 Posted 20/01/2020 at 14:59:01
Mike, that 6 month period was 4 games. yes Oumar was an example to DCL by scoring 6 goals in those 4 games, but it was still 4 games in September, October and November 2016. Dominic was in the first team in December 2016, then out injured and straight back in the first team on his injury clearing up.

Those 4 games were:
Everton 5 Arsenal 0 - 19/9/16
Everton 2 Man Utd 0 - 26/9/16
Everton 6 Reading 3 - 17/10/16
Everton 1 Southampton 1 - 20/11/16

Mike Gaynes
77 Posted 20/01/2020 at 15:12:32
Steve and Jim, WTF boys, Rhino said it, not me. You got objections, by all means trot on down to Finch Farm and tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about. You live a lot closer than I do.

And Jim, I didn't "manipulate" the stats, I just quoted them. You don't like 'em, go tell Transfermarkt to change 'em.

Steve Brown
78 Posted 20/01/2020 at 15:15:30
He's the Winston Bogarde of Everton, who said 'This world is about money, so when you are offered those millions you take them. Few people will ever earn so many. I am one of the few fortunates who do. I may be one of the worst buys in the history of the Premiership but I don't care.'

55 grand to train and play with the U 23s.

Steve Ferns
79 Posted 20/01/2020 at 15:17:33
Mike, Unsworth has grossly overstated things here. He is factually incorrect about 6 months as if he says Oumar was with the u23s from July to November then that's still a maximum of 4 months. The reality is that he was with the first team for a few weeks before Ronald Koeman demoted him. This therefore puts the timeframe at a maximum of 3.5 months
Steve Brown
80 Posted 20/01/2020 at 15:20:33
Though is Niasse exploiting Everton any more than Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson and Walcott, who pocket £300k a week between them for stinking the place out?
Steve Ferns
81 Posted 20/01/2020 at 15:24:56
Steve, if Leeds and Forest have agreed to pay the wages and he refused to go, as is reported, then yes.

We would love to palm Schniederlin off to Marseille, Monaco, or somewhere, and them pay his wages, but no such offer has come in.

It's one thing to "steal a living" or "stink the place out" it's another to refuse to leave.

Mike Gaynes
82 Posted 20/01/2020 at 15:29:28
Steve #79, I think you should drop a note to Rhino, care of the club. I'm sure he'll appreciate the correction. If he doesn't, you should demand retractions from the club and the Echo. Such a misrepresentation simply cannot be allowed to stand.


Steve Ferns
83 Posted 20/01/2020 at 15:31:38
No point, Mike, he's meant to be off in a few months.
Geoff Lambert
84 Posted 20/01/2020 at 18:01:07
Steve! Have you ever been to Leeds? I have and I wouldn't go there for a pay rise.😉
Steve Ferns
85 Posted 20/01/2020 at 18:05:41
Bit harsh, Geoff! I like Yorkshire, Leeds and Sheffield particularly. Decent people and nice countryside. I prefer the north west of England, of course, but Yorkshire comes second.
Paul Tran
86 Posted 20/01/2020 at 18:09:32
Not as good as the Highlands, Steve!
Steve Ferns
87 Posted 20/01/2020 at 18:14:08
Yeah Paul, lovely place, shame about the weather.
Paul Tran
88 Posted 20/01/2020 at 18:22:30
Not exactly Florida here in Oldham, Steve.
Steve Ferns
89 Posted 20/01/2020 at 18:24:30
Joe McMahon
90 Posted 20/01/2020 at 18:32:33
Geoff, Leeds is a great city, steeped with a good rock music history, some fab architecture and countryside is visible. Crime levels lower than Liverpool and Manchester.
Paul Tran
91 Posted 20/01/2020 at 18:35:01
Yes Steve, I'm working at Oldham Athletic tomorrow and Weds, then Burnley on Thursday.

Rock n roll lifestyle, eh?

Neil Copeland
92 Posted 20/01/2020 at 19:51:07
I have been spending a lot of time in Leeds for the past few months (new”ish” girlfriend lives there). Getting to like the place, decent places to eat and see and people are great - second only to Liverpool in my opinion.
Dale Rose
93 Posted 20/01/2020 at 20:43:39
Easy jet.. . Near to the top flight as he will get again.
Martin Reppion
94 Posted 21/01/2020 at 21:18:20
Alan #39, have you ever driven along the M62 from Manchester to Leeds or vice versa?
It doesn't look far on a map, but its a bloody car park for most of the day.
He'd be better off signing for a London club and hitching a ride with the Manchester United fans.
Jack Convery
95 Posted 22/01/2020 at 05:30:22
He wants to stay in the top flight HA HA HA HA HA HA HA - in the style of Laurel and Hardy.
David Doran
96 Posted 24/01/2020 at 15:42:15
He is totally deluded; he'd be lucky to be playing in the Championship.

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